| 00:23:16 | nelson | _Buck_: the phone becomes a pulse-dial-only phone when the operating system doesn't talk to it. |
| 00:25:40 | AeroSpace | What? You mean it can't even dial tone without being setup? Does Linux count for 'an os talking to it'? |
| 00:27:50 | Sammy | morning all |
| 00:28:24 | AeroSpace | Sammy: Good evening. |
| 00:51:06 | nelson | AeroSpace: No, it can't tone dial without being setup. There is no support for the DSP yet. |
| 00:55:33 | AeroSpace | The DSP produces the DTMF for dialing as well? |
| 01:05:24 | nelson | AeroSpace: seemingly. |
| 01:14:44 | boodle | Does anyone know if v0.3 kernel+image for tuxscreen has reiserfs support ? |
| 01:15:33 | AeroSpace | boodle: Do you have a harddrive on it? |
| 01:16:00 | boodle | AeroSpace: microdrive (if it supports reiserfs..if not.. I'll have to take it to ext2 :( ) |
| 01:16:47 | AeroSpace | boodle: Sorry I don't have one yet. |
| 01:16:59 | boodle | AeroSpace: np |
| 01:17:27 | AeroSpace | boodle: Do you have a compact flash II to pcmcia converter for it? How much was that and the microdrive? |
| 01:18:25 | boodle | AeroSpace: udrive came with it.. I bought it some time back and paid around $430 (1GB) |
| 01:20:04 | Aelhaz | you can get 340 meg udrives with pcmcia adapters on ebay at under $150 |
| 01:20:37 | Aelhaz | Toshiba sells a 5gb pcmcia drive for about $450, it even only takes up one type II slot, but i dunno the voltage . . . |
| 01:21:06 | AeroSpace | For the tuxscreen I was expecting to just nfs mount everything. I was thinking if I ever got a pam sized machine I would want one of the microdrivers for it. |
| 01:21:34 | AeroSpace | palm, sorry slipped. |
| 02:47:14 | boodle | Greetings.. on tuxscreen (sort of ;) |
| 02:47:31 | boodle | (using ssh to get into another box for irc) |
| 02:47:41 | cory | cool |
| 02:47:45 | cory | is your name root or something? |
| 02:48:02 | boodle | yea.. not the most secure I know |
| 02:48:17 | cory | hehe |
| 02:48:33 | boodle | Bzflag: Are you thinking of putting together a tuxscreen distro? |
| 02:49:23 | boodle | BZFlag: (realizing how jffs2 kernel+module version needs to match pivotroot kernel+module version for say, ts ;) |
| 02:52:36 | boodle | Also I'm seeing "dma period = 2440000 ps" msgs when doing an ALT-F1 or ALT-F2 for different console screens |
| 02:53:13 | boodle | g'night |
| 04:23:10 | BZFlag | v0.3 images do have reiserfs compiled in, yes. |
| 05:04:57 | Photon | Is there a page detailing how the TuxScreen project came about? I'm just curious. |
| 05:06:28 | AeroSpace | I've seen it, but I don't know the page. |
| 05:12:34 | BZFlag | http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view/Main/SomeHistory |
| 05:25:49 | Photon | I was also interested in how you ended up with them and got the idea to put Linux on them |
| 05:29:05 | BZFlag | I'll add that to the page now... |
| 05:30:03 | Photon | Cool, thanks. I'm currently trying to convince myself I should get one. |
| 05:32:59 | AeroSpace | StrongARM cpu question. I'm new to it. It has a MMU, but does it have a concept about instruction privilege modes? Could a program be written for the Inferno to turn on debugging to the DSP's ports and log what is going on? |
| 05:35:34 | BZFlag | updated. |
| 05:37:06 | BZFlag | That might work. I'm not that experienced with the protection modes to know. It would be tough to track the gpio pins for example. They may have timing issues too. |
| 05:37:48 | BZFlag | the gpio pins can be seen over jtag, but I have not done that while code what running on the device. |
| 05:37:58 | BZFlag | s/what/was/ |
| 05:38:22 | AeroSpace | I'm new to the paypal stuff too so after I get the account verified I'm thinking of getting two. One for Linux one to see what I can get out of inferno. |
| 05:38:50 | BZFlag | is now caught up on orders. ;-) |
| 05:39:19 | BZFlag | if you do the nfs mount you could even run inferno in a window under linux. ;-) |
| 05:40:02 | AeroSpace | Really? Does that include support for the DSP and phone functions? |
| 05:40:19 | BZFlag | you would have to have a x86 box to run Inferno under Linux though. I don't know of a "emu" for Linux arm. |
| 05:40:55 | BZFlag | that would only include the apps. I believe the dsp code would be arm native which would not run under emu. |
| 05:44:06 | andersee | BZFlag: I just took a look over bb's modprobe.c and it certainly seems broken. It should be reading modules.dep and then calling system(insmod foo.o) for each module in the list. It isn't doing that... |
| 05:44:11 | BZFlag | andersee: heya. I suppose you don't have to be in the office early or anything. ;-/ |
| 05:44:27 | BZFlag | correct. that's what I concluded too. |
| 05:44:46 | BZFlag | I'll fix it when I get a chance but you are welcome to beat me to it. |
| 05:44:53 | andersee | heh |
| 05:45:05 | cory | I'm listening to a song making fun of dick cheney set to eminem's slim shady |
| 05:45:27 | cory | "well I'm dick cheney, the real dick cheney" |
| 05:45:42 | andersee | I'll be dropping by the office to return some Lineo stuff (like my laptop :( and drop off an expense report. |
| 05:45:43 | cory | "I'm dick cheney, the real dick cheney, and all the other zanies.." |
| 05:45:53 | BZFlag | andersee: I've got LG in town mon-wed I plan to look into it thurday. I just set LG to use modutils =( |
| 05:46:21 | BZFlag | I'll me in at 9:00 mon-wed folks won't know what to do. |
| 05:46:26 | BZFlag | s/me/be/ |
| 05:46:29 | cory | LG the company? |
| 05:46:35 | BZFlag | cory: yes. |
| 05:46:44 | cory | hrm |
| 05:46:48 | cory | they going to buy all the tuxscreens? |
| 05:47:02 | andersee | Ahh. I'll be in sometime in the morning as well. |
| 05:47:07 | BZFlag | cory: no. different product. |
| 05:47:09 | cory | werd |
| 05:47:18 | cory | but they are interested in the tuxscreen software I take it? |
| 05:47:42 | andersee | I intend to make it fast though, since I want to plow through my consulting gig this week. |
| 05:47:46 | BZFlag | cory: no. totally unrelated. (cept they both use busybox) |
| 05:48:51 | cory | heh |
| 05:53:15 | andersee | unfortunate layoffs at Lineo. We have worked with Lineo in the past and |
| 05:53:15 | andersee | this is disappointing news. |
| 05:53:15 | andersee | We are also very concerned about the loss of support for important |
| 05:53:15 | andersee | technologies like busybox and uClibc - both in use at Sensoria. |
| 05:53:34 | andersee | oops. I'm leaking... |
| 05:53:49 | andersee | should switch back to xchat... |
| 05:54:47 | BZFlag | heh. |
| 06:03:14 | BZFlag | boxed another 30 phones tonight. |
| 06:03:53 | andersee | Selling like hotcakes... |
| 06:13:57 | AeroSpace | I assume the keyboard infrared receiver is routed to serial port 2, does it have a transmitter or is there some way I could hook a infrared led up? |
| 06:17:57 | BZFlag | there is no transmitter. |
| 06:18:12 | BZFlag | you could put an irda dongle on the other port. |
| 06:18:42 | BZFlag | I have not looked closely to see if there is a transmit pin for port 2 to just convert it. that would be cool though. |
| 06:19:43 | AeroSpace | I was just thinking I might be able to use my HP48G calculator. I had it looked up to my computer at one point in time, but I tired of the wires coming out of the motherboard. |
| 06:20:51 | AeroSpace | I just hadn't got around to do that voltage conversion required to hook it up to the serial port. |
| 06:23:03 | AeroSpace | Ok, the processor spec says that the debug registers are privileged, which leaves the question running something privileged mode under inferno. |
| 06:26:44 | BZFlag | you assume inferno has a non-priv mode. not sure if that is the case or not. |
| 06:28:38 | AeroSpace | If everything runs in privileged mode it just leaves writing something and getting it to run. Not that I would know how to do either. :( I can't even find the 'ARM Architecture Reference' unless it isn't on Intel's web site. |
| 06:30:41 | andersee | AeroSpace: Visit amazon.com and type in "ARM Architecture Reference" in the search box. |
| 06:30:47 | andersee | Its like $16.95 |
| 06:33:12 | BZFlag | night all! |
| 06:33:29 | andersee | night |
| 06:33:29 | AeroSpace | I was used to the freely downloadable specs intel provides for its other processors. Did ARM not come from intel to begin with? Silly question I guess, it wouldn't be RISC then. |
| 06:34:51 | andersee | When I did the Ericsson BLIP, I just visited http://www.arm.com/ and downloaded PDFs |
| 06:35:26 | andersee | Intel licenses the arm core |
| 06:35:28 | AeroSpace | Thanks for the pointer. |
| 06:36:04 | andersee | no problem |
| 06:36:30 | andersee | I found the instruction set quick reference esp useful |
| 06:37:03 | andersee | Well, I'm outta here. Time for sleep... |
| 10:33:54 | NickB | There are a number of ARM emulators for various things, including full machines. |
| 10:33:58 | NickB | <checks web pages> |
| 10:34:22 | NickB | Looks like the ARMulator is in the gdb sources: http://www.armlinux.org/pipermail/armlinux-newbie/2000-November/000141.html |
| 10:35:11 | NickB | This is a bigger list: http://acorn.cybervillage.co.uk/emulation/arch/ |
| 10:36:12 | NickB | of which ArcEm and the ARMulator are promising... hmmm I thought there was at least one other free *nix one.... |
| 10:37:01 | NickB | Could take some work to get a decent TuxScreen emulator, devices and all, but there's a good base to work from. |
| 10:42:00 | NickB | http://web.gnu.walfield.org/mail-archive/linux-7110/1999-June/0191.html |
| 10:46:08 | mallum | NickB: the gameboy advance is ARM based and there are emu's for that on Linux IIRC |
| 10:49:48 | NickB | mallum: True. Though I wonder if they're available to the likes of us or only if you want to buy some sort of expensive dev kit... |
| 10:54:08 | NickB | Here's the unofficial dev kit... gcc3 et al: http://www.devrs.com/gba/ |
| 10:54:49 | NickB | oh, and lo and behold, emulators too. |
| 10:55:47 | NickB | <sigh> Look like they're all for windows, but that could be fixed. |
| 11:33:21 | mallum | hi bworth |
| 11:34:38 | bworth | hey mallum, hey all |
| 11:35:01 | bworth | mallum: how was your weekend? |
| 11:45:00 | mallum | bworth: ok - didn't do too much , shopped for GF's bday present |
| 14:39:41 | alhaz_ | openchat via ssh over dsl . . . . this maybe isn't such a great idea :) |
| 14:45:28 | pattieja | morning |
| 14:55:30 | mallum | afternoon |
| 14:55:45 | pattieja | hehe, afternoon (morning here) |
| 15:10:51 | CosmicPenguin | Hello all... any good news this weekend? |
| 15:17:06 | mallum | I released 0.2 of my Python abber lib :) |
| 15:18:02 | mallum | s/abber/jabber/ |
| 15:20:34 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Cool! I didn't get a chance to grab your code, maybe tonight.... |
| 15:20:45 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: keyboard code that is... |
| 15:21:04 | mallum | heh, good luck with it |
| 15:21:27 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Thanks. Right now I'm a little frustrated with the jitter on the TS driver.... |
| 15:21:43 | mallum | Im checking out the code for bb's vi , thinking about maybe converting to emacs style keys :) |
| 15:25:22 | rehashed | Hello |
| 15:26:28 | CosmicPenguin | rehashed: Hello! |
| 15:26:40 | rehashed | hi CP! |
| 15:26:49 | rehashed | damn these dev kits look spiffy |
| 15:27:25 | | salut, rehashed |
| 15:27:25 | rehashed | ibot, hi |
| 15:27:39 | | rehashed: what? |
| 15:27:39 | rehashed | ibot, bc (2*2) |
| 15:27:43 | | bc is probably disabled due to security vulnerability |
| 15:27:43 | rehashed | ibot, bc |
| 15:27:50 | | rehashed: what? |
| 15:27:50 | rehashed | ibot, good |
| 15:27:53 | rehashed | lol |
| 15:28:11 | | rehashed: excuse me? |
| 15:28:11 | rehashed | ibot, sf |
| 15:28:17 | | the time is 16:28:17 2001 |
| 15:28:17 | rehashed | ibot, what is the time |
| 15:28:22 | rehashed | hmmmph |
| 15:28:26 | | it has been said that BZflag is TimRiker or a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game at http://BZFlag.org/ debian arm linux contains a version that will run on the ipaq at like 6 fps |
| 15:28:26 | rehashed | ibot, BZflag |
| 15:28:44 | rehashed | BZFlag : hi |
| 15:28:54 | rehashed | hi zachh |
| 15:29:09 | zachh | hey |
| 15:29:25 | zachh | hows it going bud? |
| 15:30:56 | rehashed | ok |
| 15:31:08 | rehashed | you have one, getting one, or thinking about getting one? |
| 15:31:21 | zachh | it should arrive this week |
| 15:31:25 | rehashed | coool |
| 15:31:28 | zachh | yep |
| 15:31:36 | zachh | i have some ideas floating around |
| 15:31:36 | rehashed | I am waiting for my pay to clear so I can get one |
| 15:31:41 | rehashed | yeah, me too |
| 15:31:43 | zachh | neat |
| 15:32:02 | rehashed | I think some serious on board telephony stuff is in order ;-) |
| 15:32:08 | zachh | indeed |
| 15:32:13 | rehashed | well |
| 15:32:16 | rehashed | not onboard |
| 15:32:16 | zachh | we should work on getting the telephony stable |
| 15:32:20 | rehashed | but you get the idea |
| 15:32:23 | zachh | indeed |
| 15:32:26 | rehashed | I am a one man company |
| 15:32:32 | rehashed | and I want to sound big |
| 15:32:34 | rehashed | :-) |
| 15:32:37 | CosmicPenguin | kram: Any news on the ol' telephony> |
| 15:32:37 | zachh | he |
| 15:33:05 | zachh | well i gotta run, be back in a couple hours |
| 15:33:44 | rehashed | ok |
| 15:33:47 | rehashed | cya later |
| 15:33:50 | zachh | cya |
| 15:34:01 | rehashed | ibo, seen BZFlag |
| 15:34:08 | | BZFlag was last seen on #tuxscreen 9 hours, 57 seconds ago, saying: night all! [Mon Sep 10 07:33:11 2001] |
| 15:34:08 | rehashed | ibot, seen BZFlag |
| 15:34:23 | rehashed | hmph |
| 15:34:38 | | i haven't a clue, rehashed |
| 15:34:38 | rehashed | ibot, hi is also you know im mental? |
| 15:34:48 | | rehashed: bugger all, i dunno |
| 15:34:48 | rehashed | ibot, hi also means you know im mental? |
| 15:35:02 | | rehashed: what? |
| 15:35:02 | rehashed | ibot, hi also means "you know im mental?" |
| 15:35:21 | rehashed | Hi AlHazWork |
| 15:35:21 | rehashed | hmm |
| 15:35:43 | rehashed | is anyone awake? |
| 15:37:53 | | Alright, you!! Imitate a WOUNDED SEAL pleading for a PARKING SPACE!! |
| 15:37:53 | AlHazWork | ibot: YOW |
| 15:39:06 | rehashed | hi everyone |
| 16:01:19 | AlHazWork | Hi |
| 16:01:43 | rehashed | hi |
| 16:01:51 | rehashed | do you have a tuxscreen? |
| 16:03:42 | AlHazWork | rehashed: I have two |
| 16:05:10 | rehashed | I am absolutely dying for my salary to clear |
| 16:05:19 | rehashed | I would love to start developing ASAP |
| 16:05:21 | rehashed | :-) |
| 16:05:46 | CosmicPenguin | rehashed: You can't develop on your desktop machine first? |
| 16:07:08 | rehashed | well |
| 16:07:10 | rehashed | I could |
| 16:07:16 | rehashed | but wheres the fun in that? |
| 16:08:07 | CosmicPenguin | Good point.... |
| 16:08:36 | rehashed | CP: you have one? |
| 16:09:16 | CosmicPenguin | rehashed: Yep - Its my pride and joy. Have you seen the screenshots? |
| 16:09:50 | rehashed | yeah |
| 16:09:54 | rehashed | are there any more? |
| 16:10:05 | rehashed | like user shots or something? |
| 16:10:30 | rehashed | anyone have any joy with ethernet cards, etc? |
| 16:10:43 | CosmicPenguin | rehashed: http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/Main/MicrowinScreenshots |
| 16:10:47 | rehashed | yeah |
| 16:10:50 | rehashed | Ive seen them |
| 16:10:53 | rehashed | very nice |
| 16:11:05 | CosmicPenguin | So what do you mean by user shots? |
| 16:11:07 | rehashed | I have done quite a bit with microwindows on the IPAQ |
| 16:11:21 | rehashed | and some on the agenda VR3 |
| 16:11:32 | rehashed | thsi should be good fun |
| 16:12:00 | rehashed | well |
| 16:12:14 | rehashed | lets say 1/2 the people in this channel have at least one |
| 16:12:21 | rehashed | surely a few of them have a camera |
| 16:12:23 | rehashed | ;-) |
| 16:12:30 | rehashed | the wiki is quite sparse |
| 16:12:30 | CosmicPenguin | rehashed: I am using a Trendnet TE100-PC16 |
| 16:12:37 | CosmicPenguin | For network, that is.... |
| 16:13:55 | rehashed | this sounds very exiting indeed |
| 16:14:11 | rehashed | it would be nice to write some serious telephony stuff |
| 16:14:20 | rehashed | and integrate a traditional analog phone |
| 16:14:29 | rehashed | with some form of H232 system |
| 16:14:42 | rehashed | H323 |
| 16:14:47 | rehashed | whate¡ver |
| 16:15:22 | rehashed | the display seems way more than adequate to provide visual data as well |
| 16:15:32 | rehashed | just plug a camera on the top |
| 16:15:37 | rehashed | write the software |
| 16:15:48 | rehashed | and have a beautiful VC system |
| 16:16:50 | CosmicPenguin | rehashed: We're still looking for a good way to plug in the camera.... |
| 16:17:07 | rehashed | I am sure I could think of a few |
| 16:17:15 | rehashed | of course |
| 16:17:23 | rehashed | it depends on the nature of your camera |
| 16:18:20 | rehashed | shouldnt be too hard to make a great deal of use out of the pcmcia slots |
| 16:18:23 | rehashed | after all |
| 16:18:28 | rehashed | thats what they exist for |
| 16:19:48 | CosmicPenguin | 3.3V however.. they like to give you a challenge.... :) |
| 16:20:00 | rehashed | :-) |
| 16:20:05 | rehashed | never tried myself |
| 16:21:06 | rehashed | what sort of a wait is there on shipment? |
| 16:21:11 | rehashed | does anyone know? |
| 16:21:28 | rehashed | also |
| 16:21:28 | AlHazWork | rehashed: however long it takes tim to get it shipped |
| 16:21:36 | AlHazWork | not terribly long, couple of days tops |
| 16:21:37 | rehashed | well |
| 16:21:42 | rehashed | thats great |
| 16:21:44 | rehashed | cool |
| 16:21:53 | rehashed | what is the quality like |
| 16:21:55 | AlHazWork | they're all in his basement, after all |
| 16:21:59 | rehashed | am I going to be getting it |
| 16:22:00 | AlHazWork | how do you mean? |
| 16:22:06 | rehashed | and then having to get another one |
| 16:22:11 | rehashed | because it doesnt work? |
| 16:22:27 | rehashed | or are these fully 'operational' units? |
| 16:22:32 | rehashed | as in |
| 16:22:36 | rehashed | is the hardware OK? |
| 16:22:46 | rehashed | thats my biggest fear |
| 16:22:52 | rehashed | when I got my agenda vr3 |
| 16:23:00 | rehashed | I had to send it back twice |
| 16:23:12 | rehashed | it was such an anticlimax every time the postman called |
| 16:23:34 | rehashed | and they took about a month to deliver, etc |
| 16:30:18 | AlHazWork | there, that's MUCH better |
| 16:30:46 | AlHazWork | x over ssh over dsl was kinda slow |
| 16:30:50 | AlHazWork | doing socks5 over ssh now |
| 16:47:40 | rehashed | you are not having much luck with ur proxy |
| 16:49:06 | AlHazWork | nah, I'm just reconfiguring it a lot on the fly |
| 16:49:09 | AlHazWork | think I'm done now |
| 16:49:39 | AlHazWork | I've assembled 802.3 frames by hand, in hex, this is a walk in the park. |
| 16:58:11 | Russ|werk | morning andersee |
| 16:58:21 | andersee | morning |
| 16:58:28 | rehashed | hi guys |
| 16:58:49 | AlHazWork | hi andersee |
| 16:58:56 | andersee | Howdy. I need to run into work |
| 16:59:15 | andersee | I have to return my laptop, expense report, and borrowed stuff... |
| 16:59:48 | Russ|werk | just borrow them until they are obsolete |
| 17:00:15 | andersee | Would -- except since I got fired on Friday, they seem to want them back... |
| 17:00:45 | andersee | Quite selfish of them. ;) |
| 17:00:47 | Russ|werk | real bummer |
| 17:00:51 | Russ|werk | what about tim? |
| 17:02:03 | andersee | Tim is still there. But Lineo had ~60% layoffs Friday, and I got the axe... |
| 17:02:04 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I hope you grabbed all your code off of your laptop before you had to give it back.... |
| 17:02:46 | andersee | I've had it all weekend. And, to their credit, they ley me stay at the office copying off all my crap. I filled a 30G drive... :) |
| 17:03:24 | andersee | But alas, now I have to return the thing, with my personal stuff removed of course. |
| 17:03:31 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: :) When I quit my last job, I left with about 20 CDRs full olf all the crap I accumalated over the ages.... |
| 17:04:02 | andersee | I doubt they wanted pictures of my family, the tuxscreen buildsystem, and gigs of mp3s and oggs... |
| 17:04:52 | andersee | BTW, the buildsystem is ready to checkin to CVS. And no longer ever requires a patched mkfs.jffs2 since I checked in my changes to the MTD tree over the weekend. |
| 17:05:19 | andersee | I'll check that in when I get back |
| 17:06:02 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: kewl... I am anxious to add Microwindows to the mix.... |
| 17:06:22 | andersee | Should be easy enough to do... |
| 17:06:35 | bworth | andersee: my condolences to you and any others who lost their jobs - tough break |
| 17:07:21 | andersee | Yeah, sucks. |
| 17:07:40 | rehashed | do you have some kind of severance pay? |
| 17:07:42 | andersee | On the other hand, who want to arrange the deck chairs while the Titanic sinks. ;-) |
| 17:08:05 | rehashed | take a holiday |
| 17:08:07 | rehashed | :-) |
| 17:08:11 | andersee | They gave the the big one week, plus unused vacation (I have a _lot_ of that) |
| 17:08:34 | rehashed | awww |
| 17:08:57 | andersee | goes to return company stuff |
| 17:20:44 | kerneljacabo | hey guys |
| 17:20:47 | rehashed | hi |
| 17:21:07 | kerneljacabo | i just got one of the phones from a friend |
| 17:21:44 | kerneljacabo | its a nifty device i plan on starting dev today if i can get a few question answered] |
| 17:21:54 | AlHazWork | shoot |
| 17:22:13 | kerneljacabo | well first off, what OS are you guys trying to run on this |
| 17:22:43 | dec__ | DOS. |
| 17:22:48 | kerneljacabo | my friend said something about inferno |
| 17:23:04 | kerneljacabo | dont know what it is |
| 17:23:12 | dec__ | My Plans include Linux and NetBSD. |
| 17:23:31 | AlHazWork | netbsd shouldn't be hard, especially if it can boot from the blob |
| 17:23:37 | kerneljacabo | whats blob? |
| 17:23:42 | | alhazwork: i don't know |
| 17:23:42 | AlHazWork | ibot: blob? |
| 17:23:48 | kerneljacabo | im assuming its some type of bootloader |
| 17:23:50 | | OK, AlHazWork. |
| 17:23:50 | AlHazWork | ibot, blob is the Boot Loader OBject |
| 17:23:58 | AlHazWork | yeah, it's a GPL boot loader |
| 17:24:04 | boodle | AlHazWork: try ipaq hpcarm image |
| 17:24:07 | kerneljacabo | well has anyone tried redboot? |
| 17:24:12 | AlHazWork | boodle: I can't stand bsd |
| 17:24:20 | boodle | AlHazWork: heh oops |
| 17:29:39 | kerneljacabo | hey anyone here still with me? |
| 17:30:54 | kerneljacabo | has anyone tried using redboot as a bootloader |
| 17:32:13 | kerneljacabo | anyone |
| 17:48:09 | CosmicPenguin | kerneljacabo: I don't believe anyone has tried redboot (and lived to tell about it, that is... :)) |
| 17:51:59 | CosmicPenguin | pattieja: How goes the audrey? |
| 17:52:10 | pattieja | haven't touched it for awhile |
| 17:52:19 | pattieja | really want to get Linux onto it though. |
| 17:52:32 | pattieja | It's just sitting on the work table |
| 17:52:43 | pattieja | telling me it can't connect to the Internet |
| 17:52:49 | pattieja | (of course not) |
| 17:53:07 | boodle | Has anyone gotten blob on it (audrey) |
| 17:53:19 | AlHazWork | the audrey is x86 |
| 17:53:21 | pattieja | as far as I know, blob is StrongArm only |
| 17:53:22 | AlHazWork | no need for funny bootloaders |
| 17:53:29 | boodle | heh oops :) |
| 17:53:30 | pattieja | actually, yes there is |
| 17:53:46 | AlHazWork | it's disk-on-chip, use grub |
| 17:53:57 | pattieja | AlHazWork: it currently uses an IPL loaded in the top 64K of Compact Flash |
| 17:54:09 | pattieja | that IPL only recognizes and boots QNX filesystems |
| 17:54:16 | AlHazWork | *nod* |
| 17:54:30 | pattieja | and will only allow you to flash a QNX filesystem onto the 16MB CF onboard |
| 17:54:30 | AlHazWork | figured |
| 17:54:33 | AlHazWork | sure it's CF? |
| 17:54:43 | AlHazWork | disk on chip != cf |
| 17:54:49 | | boodle: i don't know |
| 17:54:49 | boodle | ibot: IPL? |
| 17:54:51 | pattieja | That's pretty much what everyone on the www.audreyhacked.com/org? site said |
| 17:54:55 | AlHazWork | I mean, I know there's a cf slot in it |
| 17:54:57 | boodle | what's an IPL? |
| 17:55:00 | pattieja | Initial Program Loader |
| 17:55:03 | AlHazWork | Initial Program Loader |
| 17:55:06 | boodle | thanks |
| 17:55:13 | pattieja | hmm |
| 17:55:21 | AlHazWork | sure it's ATA Flash? |
| 17:55:25 | | OK, boodle. |
| 17:55:25 | boodle | ibot: IPL is an Initial Program Loader |
| 17:55:30 | pattieja | How can I tell? |
| 17:55:37 | pattieja | did you see my pictures of it? |
| 17:55:43 | pattieja | www.pcxperience.com/audrey |
| 17:55:58 | CosmicPenguin | pattieja: No offense, but some clearer pictures would be nice.... :) |
| 17:56:03 | | boodle: sorry... |
| 17:56:03 | boodle | ibot: audrey |
| 17:56:10 | pattieja | I don't have a better camera :( |
| 17:56:10 | CosmicPenguin | I wanna see if there is a JTAG somewhere on there.... |
| 17:56:29 | pattieja | There appears to be an IDE interface that's just got connector holes but no solder. |
| 17:56:41 | AlHazWork | those are kinda blurry |
| 17:56:42 | pattieja | might I be able to utilize that somehow? |
| 17:56:56 | pattieja | Of course, it doesn't appear to have any PC board leads to the holes. |
| 17:56:58 | | OK, boodle. |
| 17:56:58 | boodle | ibot: audrey is http://www.audreyhacking.com/ |
| 17:57:18 | pattieja | Seems like this might have been a generic motherboard that 3Com modified? |
| 17:57:27 | pattieja | or had custom modified for them? |
| 17:57:32 | CosmicPenguin | pattieja: So the IDE is just a popped connector? |
| 17:57:33 | pattieja | (speculation) |
| 17:57:37 | pattieja | meaning? |
| 17:57:38 | AlHazWork | pattieja: that header doesn't have 40 pins tho |
| 17:57:49 | pattieja | let me take it apart again, and look |
| 17:57:51 | pattieja | ... |
| 17:57:58 | AlHazWork | pattieja: no, there are several design houses in the eastern seaboard that do work like this on contract |
| 17:58:02 | CosmicPenguin | Meaning that the solder lines are there, but the actual hardware isn't... |
| 17:58:57 | AlHazWork | I can see what looks like a flash chip - thin, rectangular chip with SMT pins on the ends |
| 17:59:00 | AlHazWork | with a sticker on it |
| 17:59:07 | AlHazWork | there may or may not be some support chips next to it |
| 17:59:17 | AlHazWork | DOC is usually an eprom-looking thing, so it's not DOC |
| 17:59:44 | AlHazWork | *could be ATA flash, you'd have to figure out what the flash chip is hooked up to |
| 17:59:56 | AlHazWork | if it's ATA flash, as in the iopener, it should be pretty easy to deal with |
| 18:00:01 | AlHazWork | if you can flash it . . |
| 18:00:07 | AlHazWork | er, access it |
| 18:00:20 | AlHazWork | replacing the IPL is risky business |
| 18:00:36 | pattieja | sorry guys. Boss won't let me play right now. |
| 18:00:39 | AlHazWork | anyway, gotta do some stuff, bbl |
| 18:15:58 | Russ|werk | the iopener has a DOC LIKE DEVICE |
| 18:16:01 | Russ|werk | er |
| 18:16:04 | Russ|werk | serry about the caps |
| 18:16:14 | Russ|werk | it also has an award bion |
| 18:16:21 | Russ|werk | er, bios |
| 18:17:32 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: Whats the DOC like device? Is it from SSI? |
| 18:18:01 | CosmicPenguin | Sorry, I meant SST |
| 18:19:12 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: don't remember, but it looks just like a harddisk (to dos and linux) |
| 18:20:40 | CosmicPenguin | *nod* |
| 18:37:07 | AlHazWork | Russ: I haven't actually messed with the flash on my io, what I've read has given me the impression that it's addressed as ATA |
| 18:37:10 | AlHazWork | DOC is not |
| 18:37:39 | AlHazWork | DOC is made by M-Systems |
| 18:38:07 | AlHazWork | and it doesn't look vaguely like a hard disk to linux, from what I've seen of the badly done drivers for it |
| 18:38:24 | AlHazWork | there's a closed source driver that is slow and reliable, and an open source driver that is fast and unreliable |
| 18:38:51 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: Its not *that* unreliable...... |
| 18:39:10 | AlHazWork | DOC needs an MTD driver, regardless, where ATA flash devices such as CF memory cards do not |
| 18:39:30 | Russ|werk | AlHazWork: its not a DOC |
| 18:39:37 | Russ|werk | AlHazWork: it looks like a harddisk to linux |
| 18:39:57 | AlHazWork | Russ: That's what I'd heard, that it's ATA flash |
| 18:40:21 | Russ|werk | right |
| 18:41:20 | AlHazWork | so the question remains whether the audrey flash is ATA or just flash |
| 18:42:35 | Russ|werk | audrey? |
| 18:42:45 | Russ|werk | can I see a pic? |
| 18:43:10 | AlHazWork | http://www.audreyhacking.com/content.php?menu=130601&page_id=14 |
| 18:43:40 | AlHazWork | and the header that's not filled is 34 pin, making it unlikely that it's ide or floppy |
| 18:49:03 | AlHazWork | someone needs to lay the audrey motherboard down on a scanner and get a nice 600x600dpi scan of it online |
| 18:49:09 | CosmicPenguin | <wildguess>Thats not for video or anything is it?</wildguess> |
| 18:49:09 | AlHazWork | these closeups are useless |
| 18:49:37 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: could be for lcd. also, since it's right next to the superio chip, could be parallel & serial on a single header |
| 18:49:41 | Russ|werk | do you mean U4? |
| 18:50:00 | AlHazWork | Russ: Yeah, U4 sure looks like flash to me |
| 18:50:09 | AlHazWork | but since we have no context . . |
| 18:50:27 | Russ|werk | I can't see enough of it |
| 18:50:30 | AlHazWork | yeah |
| 18:50:32 | CosmicPenguin | AlHazWork: Thats a good guess... I've got a National reference board here with a super/IO on it, so i was trying to compare connectors... |
| 18:50:38 | AlHazWork | that's why I'm complaining that someone needs to put it on a scanner |
| 18:51:15 | AlHazWork | CosmicPenguin: I've seen the "one big header for everything" approach for i/o on a number of boards |
| 18:51:39 | Russ|werk | I don't think the connector is neccesarily |
| 18:51:48 | AlHazWork | Russ: neither do i |
| 18:51:59 | AlHazWork | but it doesn't have enough pins to be ide or floppy |
| 18:52:08 | AlHazWork | iirc, floppy should be 36 pin? |
| 18:52:11 | CosmicPenguin | Could be for a daughter board too..... |
| 18:54:52 | AlHazWork | find it odd that there are so many pictures of the "3Com 3c19250 ethernet" which is clearly a rebranded SMC 2012 |
| 18:56:46 | AlHazWork | 2102, rather |
| 18:57:08 | AlHazWork | an entirely mundane kawasaki based usb ethernet adapter |
| 18:57:19 | AlHazWork | I have one on my io, cost me $5 |
| 19:00:19 | Russ|werk | mainly because it would have to go right under the oscillator |
| 19:01:43 | AlHazWork | ? |
| 19:28:17 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: How goes it with the touchscreen? Have we determined the range of bad serial numbers? |
| 19:28:54 | Russ|werk | my 3501 works |
| 19:36:21 | CosmicPenguin | Really? Rikers 3258 doesn't Thats wierd.... |
| 19:54:55 | CosmicPenguin | Anyone here ever use OpenGUI? |
| 20:05:35 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: wb |
| 20:05:47 | mallum | hi CosmicPenguin |
| 20:06:02 | mallum | hmmm, andersee not about ... ? |
| 20:06:23 | CosmicPenguin | Nope, he left a while ago |
| 20:13:11 | AlHazWork | saw him here at lineo a couple hours ago |
| 20:13:19 | AlHazWork | after he turned in his laptop & stuff |
| 20:14:37 | mallum | turned in his laptop ? |
| 20:14:45 | AlHazWork | he was laid off last week :/ |
| 20:15:06 | blzbubba | lineo |
| 20:16:10 | mallum | man thats grim :( |
| 20:16:26 | mallum | things are getting so tough ... I've got laid off 3 times this year |
| 20:16:32 | blzbubba | ouch |
| 20:16:38 | blzbubba | dot coms? |
| 20:16:41 | mallum | I thought lineo just got another load of funding ? |
| 20:16:43 | blzbubba | er .co.uk's? |
| 20:16:48 | mallum | yep dot coms |
| 20:16:58 | Russ|werk | I think it will turn around by may...when I graduate |
| 20:17:16 | mallum | 2 uk offices of us companies |
| 20:17:16 | blzbubba | hopefully |
| 20:17:46 | Russ|werk | I see the uphill starting around new years |
| 20:18:05 | CosmicPenguin | We're in a R&D stage right now.... companies climbing all over themselves to have the coolest gaget when the econonmy rebounds and people have cash again |
| 20:19:48 | mallum | when I got laid off my last place it was cool cos I got 2 months tax free money |
| 20:20:16 | blzbubba | wow, that is nice. |
| 20:21:14 | mallum | yeah it was really good of the company compared to how friends have been treated by dead dot coms |
| 20:21:19 | mallum | I was very lucky |
| 20:22:14 | mallum | Im contracting at the moment for a big publishing company hacking Perl |
| 20:22:14 | mallum | they just laid off the entire internet staff ( 150 ) |
| 20:22:16 | mallum | but kept me and the other programmer on to maintain stuff |
| 20:22:35 | mallum | out of 150 people they had 1 programmer ! |
| 20:26:30 | kram | has returned. |
| 20:28:17 | mallum | Has anybody used the buildroot script ? |
| 20:28:32 | BZFlag | andersee is in Lineo saying farewell. |
| 20:31:21 | BZFlag | i-opener has a sandisk. not doc. |
| 20:32:04 | AlHazWork | BZFlag: Yeah, but the question was what the Audrey has |
| 20:32:12 | AlHazWork | and the audreyhacking.com pictures are too itty bitty to tell |
| 20:32:24 | AlHazWork | it's not DOC, tho they say it is |
| 20:32:30 | AlHazWork | at least it sure doesn't look like it is |
| 20:33:34 | as_ | BZ, that minds me, whats the camera used to take the large close up photos of the internals, its pretty damn good quality? |
| 20:33:53 | as_ | (of the shannon on the tuxscreen site). |
| 20:34:01 | BZFlag | heh ricoh i700 |
| 20:34:20 | BZFlag | off to a meeting |
| 20:34:57 | as_ | Ahh, cool. |
| 20:36:24 | Russ|werk | meetings....fun, esp after a bunch of people get laid off |
| 20:37:25 | CosmicPenguin | You won't catch anyone sleeping, thats for sure... :) |
| 20:38:40 | Russ|werk | geez, I'm still finding ximian packages on my system |
| 20:38:57 | Russ|werk | this one didn't have ximian in its version number, so i missed it |
| 20:40:12 | CosmicPenguin | rpm -q -a | grep ximian | wc = 98. Ack! |
| 20:40:50 | Russ|werk | the ximian packages are bad |
| 20:41:19 | Russ|werk | (at least on a sid system) |
| 20:42:00 | mallum | but rpm is redhat ? |
| 20:44:31 | AlHazWork | caldera likes to take some of the blame, too |
| 20:44:39 | AlHazWork | and SuSE and Mandrake are both RPM based as well |
| 20:55:22 | mallum | indeed |
| 21:24:39 | zachh | anybody here want to confirm some assumptions I have about the telephony aspects of the tuxscreen? |
| 21:28:24 | AlHazWork | syre |
| 21:28:27 | AlHazWork | sure, too |
| 21:29:51 | zachh | I am assuming (i dont have one yet... just brainstorming) that I can interface the phone (dial numbers, get CallerID, etc) by passing AT commands to the lucent dsp.. |
| 21:31:12 | AlHazWork | far from it |
| 21:31:17 | zachh | really? |
| 21:31:17 | AlHazWork | it's not vaguely like serial |
| 21:31:21 | zachh | darn it |
| 21:31:30 | AlHazWork | certianly not Hayes compatible |
| 21:31:40 | AlHazWork | it's connected to the cpu via GPIO pins |
| 21:31:44 | zachh | ahhh |
| 21:31:45 | zachh | i see |
| 21:31:53 | AlHazWork | we don't have any software to handle that yet |
| 21:32:11 | AlHazWork | the dsp board has it's own ram and flash, so whatever program needs to be on it is probably already on it |
| 21:32:18 | Russ|werk | I was goina do the dsp code...but then I got high |
| 21:32:18 | zachh | ok, so is there any starting point you know of |
| 21:32:35 | zachh | hehe |
| 21:32:42 | AlHazWork | yeah, some people have some information from the guy who wrote the inferno apps on it |
| 21:32:54 | Russ|werk | well, not actually high, but I was going to do it this weekend, but then had other things to do |
| 21:33:02 | Russ|werk | iI'll do the writing to DSP first |
| 21:33:08 | zachh | is there a way i can get ahold of this information? |
| 21:33:24 | zachh | slaps Russ|werk around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:33:51 | AlHazWork | zachh: talk to bzflag |
| 21:33:57 | zachh | ok thanks! |
| 21:36:26 | CosmicPenguin | Everyone playing with the DSP should register on the wiki to avoid duplication of effort...... |
| 21:36:47 | zachh | will do |
| 21:37:15 | CosmicPenguin | Then no hardware folks like me will know who to bother.... is it done yet? is it done yet? is it done yet? :-) |
| 21:37:20 | CosmicPenguin | s/no/non |
| 21:38:05 | zachh | excellent point |
| 21:39:23 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: I'm just clogging through the wait_queue stuff |
| 21:39:39 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Sounds like a blast... :) |
| 21:40:05 | Russ|werk | I have a 32 byte ring buffer that writes go into, and sleeps the user app if its full (or -EAGAIN if O_NONBLOCK) |
| 21:40:19 | rehashedex | hi |
| 21:40:27 | rehashedex | hi |
| 21:40:42 | Russ|werk | I'm not too sure how the read queue should work on overflows |
| 21:40:43 | CosmicPenguin | I am worried a little about the jitter on the touchscreen, so that will be my main focus this evening.... |
| 21:41:33 | Russ|werk | guess it should just drop them, and the client should flush it if it expects anything meaningfull |
| 21:41:45 | Russ|werk | maybe I should timestamp the data |
| 21:42:04 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: How often do you expect data to be sent? |
| 21:44:35 | Russ|werk | about every minute or so |
| 21:44:43 | Russ|werk | if no one has the device open, I'll drop it |
| 21:45:34 | CosmicPenguin | Unless you expect the data to sit in the wait queue for along time, I would say that you should just drop any overflows.... |
| 21:47:09 | | the time is 22:47:09 2001 |
| 21:47:09 | rehashedex | ibot, whats the time? |
| 21:47:24 | | BZFlag was last seen on #tuxscreen 1 hours, 13 minutes and 4 seconds ago, saying: off to a meeting [Mon Sep 10 21:34:20 2001] |
| 21:47:24 | rehashedex | ibot, seen BZFlag? |
| 21:49:55 | BZFlag | is back |
| 21:50:29 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: you should see if the ts code is doing the 4 way sampling that Inferno did. |
| 21:50:56 | BZFlag | Of course the HH discard limits might work too. |
| 21:51:10 | CosmicPenguin | You mean with the different polarities? |
| 21:51:14 | BZFlag | yes |
| 21:51:57 | BZFlag | Shaggy said it made a big difference. he was planning on coding dejitter code on top but never bothered as it worked so well. |
| 21:52:27 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: So you take all 4 readings for both axis and go with that? |
| 21:59:49 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: Ok, I can see how to get the two readings by swapping the polarity, but what did shaggy mean by top and bottom (from wiki page) |
| 22:00:02 | CosmicPenguin | ie, 'read top' and 'read bottom' |
| 22:01:38 | CosmicPenguin | Ignore that, I'm an idiot.... |
| 22:01:55 | CosmicPenguin | <-- must RTFM |
| 22:09:42 | BZFlag | hmmm... that might want to say read vertical and read horizontal? |
| 22:12:04 | rehashedex | hi BZFlag |
| 22:12:26 | rehashedex | hm |
| 22:12:35 | | BZFlag was last seen on #tuxscreen 2 minutes and 53 seconds ago, saying: hmmm... that might want to say read vertical and read horizontal? [Mon Sep 10 23:09:42 2001] |
| 22:12:35 | rehashedex | ibot, seen BZFlag? |
| 22:12:43 | rehashedex | cool |
| 22:24:28 | rehashedex | BZFlag : hi, are you around? |
| 22:25:52 | BZFlag | is here now |
| 22:26:20 | rehashedex | hi BZFlag! |
| 22:26:47 | rehashedex | I only have one quick question |
| 22:27:01 | rehashedex | Do you ship overseas? |
| 22:27:44 | mallum | rehashedex: he shipped to me, and Im in the uk |
| 22:27:49 | rehashedex | oh |
| 22:27:51 | rehashedex | cool |
| 22:27:54 | rehashedex | :-) |
| 22:28:21 | BZFlag | 2 more went to south korea today. |
| 22:28:26 | rehashedex | ah cool |
| 22:28:28 | rehashedex | :-) |
| 22:28:32 | rehashedex | I want one |
| 22:28:40 | rehashedex | I will pay you tommorrow |
| 22:28:41 | rehashedex | :-) |
| 22:28:48 | rehashedex | so hold one |
| 22:28:50 | mallum | BZFlag: the article on Linuxdevices is good. |
| 22:28:58 | rehashedex | because these are very hot dev kits |
| 22:29:11 | BZFlag | sweet. I ship on the next business day now that I've recovered from /. |
| 22:29:24 | rehashedex | lol |
| 22:29:39 | rehashedex | how many in one day was that? |
| 22:29:57 | BZFlag | mallum: thanx! Rick asked me to write it in the middle of the /. and I was swamped. so he asked some questions and I answered as best I could. ;-) |
| 22:30:30 | BZFlag | rehashedex: 80, then 40 then 30 over the weekend or something like that. |
| 22:31:01 | rehashedex | :-) |
| 22:31:14 | BZFlag | hmm... must have been 60/40/30 ;-) |
| 22:31:56 | rehashedex | do I calculate the shipping cost from that link you gave and add it on to the unit cost, or do you want to calculate it and tell me? |
| 22:32:16 | rehashedex | wow |
| 22:32:21 | rehashedex | that was a big sentence |
| 22:32:26 | rehashedex | did it make sense? |
| 22:38:51 | pattieja | who wanted scanned images of the Audrey? |
| 22:38:57 | BZFlag | rehashedex: calculate yourself please. ;-) |
| 22:39:33 | rehashedex | ok |
| 22:39:38 | rehashedex | no problem |
| 22:39:39 | rehashedex | :-) |
| 22:40:13 | BZFlag | someone asked about redboot on TuxScreen.... I don't mind if someone ports it. I don't like the ipaq "use an extra flash block" mentality. |
| 22:40:36 | BZFlag | I'd like to move in the other direction. probably on tux: |
| 22:41:03 | CosmicPenguin | pattieja: I believe all would be very interested. Can you post on your site? |
| 22:41:08 | BZFlag | 64k - blob, 64k -parmeters, <the rest> rootfs with kernel and modules inside. |
| 22:41:41 | BZFlag | then the kernel will have everything as modules and folks can nuke modules they don't want easily. |
| 22:42:29 | BZFlag | on iPAQ I'd like to see 256k blob w/ default parameters and boot logo, <the rest> rootfs. |
| 22:43:14 | CosmicPenguin | That reminds me.. BZFlag - Have you given any thought to putting together a 80x80 tuxscreen image to replace tux on bootup? |
| 22:43:59 | BZFlag | this mess with redboot of 256k parrot loader, 256k redboot, 256k parameters, 512k kernel, <the rest> rootfs, oh except for the last block which has partition info and so can't be erased normally, is nuts. |
| 22:44:25 | pattieja | BZFlag: CosmicPenguin: what about LPP? |
| 22:44:33 | pattieja | (Linux Progress Patch) |
| 22:44:55 | CosmicPenguin | pattieja: Last I saw, it was broken (the underlying fbcon changed on it)... |
| 22:45:01 | CosmicPenguin | Last it worked was 2.4.5ish.... |
| 22:45:04 | pattieja | ouch |
| 22:45:13 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: no. but feel free! I'd actually like to see the bootloader load an image from the params block so folks can replace it easily. then ahve the kernel not display any logo, but keep the video in the current mode. |
| 22:45:13 | pattieja | thanks for the heads up. hmmm. |
| 22:45:30 | BZFlag | hmm... |
| 22:45:35 | pattieja | CosmicPenguin: I'm scanning pictures of the motherboard now... |
| 22:45:49 | pattieja | I should have the images up (hopefully) within a few hours. |
| 22:45:51 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: Thats a good idea. Actually, I was hoping that you had an "official" image that we could all start using... :) |
| 22:45:58 | BZFlag | fixing LPP might be a good idea. I'd rather see the image outside the kernel though. |
| 22:46:12 | pattieja | BZFlag: how would the kernel load it? |
| 22:46:54 | pattieja | or maybe it could be part of an initrd and the kernel would know that it's booting from an initrd and look into the beginning or end of it ahead of time and extract an image? |
| 22:47:07 | BZFlag | The last official one is the jpg on the site: http://TuxScreen.net/download/tuxsplash.jpg and I'm not a big fan of that one. |
| 22:47:39 | BZFlag | pattieja: the bootloader would load it. the kernel would leave it there. unless "esc" was pressed or some such. |
| 22:47:46 | CosmicPenguin | Size is the main problem with the LPP.... |
| 22:47:50 | pattieja | ahh |
| 22:47:58 | pattieja | CosmicPenguin: how so? |
| 22:48:19 | BZFlag | LPP is not huge, but it is larger than the normal bootup. |
| 22:48:31 | CosmicPenguin | pattieja: You basically need an RGB image as big as the screen - thats 640x480 bytes in the .data segment...... |
| 22:48:40 | pattieja | BZFlag: LPP does more than just load an image. It also does a progress bar and tell you at what point in the boot process you are and whether that step failed or not. |
| 22:48:49 | pattieja | CosmicPenguin: gotcha |
| 22:49:00 | pattieja | and that is expanded from being a TIFF or GIF or JPG, etc. |
| 22:49:02 | BZFlag | the image as stored in the kernel is ugly. it gets stored in a number of different formats etc. all are discarded after bootup, but they still impact flash size. |
| 22:49:18 | CosmicPenguin | We used the lpp for a while, but then we decided that it was just cleaner to replace tux with an logo... especially on stuff like the ipaq.... |
| 22:49:21 | BZFlag | pattieja: LPP: agreed. |
| 22:49:48 | kerneljacabo | hey BZFlag what is the JTAG dongle used for? loading stuff into the FLASH? |
| 22:49:53 | pattieja | so what if someone "taught" the kernel about JPG or GIF (or something with really good compression)? and still kept it in the data segment. |
| 22:50:05 | CosmicPenguin | But I get ahead of myself - I am thinking about polishing up loose ends when we have a mountain of code to write.... |
| 22:50:28 | CosmicPenguin | pattieja: I wonder if speed would be the issue then... :( |
| 22:50:30 | BZFlag | kerneljacabo: jtag was needed till we had a working serial install. it would be needed to do bootloader work now. |
| 22:51:06 | pattieja | not with the processors that most of the devices you're playing with have |
| 22:51:15 | pattieja | (unless they're REALLY old) |
| 22:51:30 | pattieja | but you've been talking strongarm, x86 > 200MHz, etc. |
| 22:51:34 | CosmicPenguin | pattieja: I had the lpp on a MachZ device, and you could watch the screen redraw.... that sucked! |
| 22:51:42 | pattieja | really. |
| 22:51:46 | kerneljacabo | ok so to get reboot on the flash i would need the jtag |
| 22:51:58 | pattieja | CosmicPenguin: the 486 equivalent or the Pentium equivalent device? |
| 22:52:02 | CosmicPenguin | But generally, you are right, these processors should be able to handle it. |
| 22:52:15 | CosmicPenguin | That was the 99Mhz 486 equivalent... |
| 22:52:22 | pattieja | right |
| 22:52:40 | CosmicPenguin | <-- downloading the lpp and popping it on my stack of stuff to do |
| 22:53:05 | kerneljacabo | pattieja was that to me or cosmic |
| 22:54:20 | BZFlag | kerneljacabo: huh? no. there is Inferno on there now. it boots. you follow the install procedure for Linux with a null modem cable and it will boot. further linux installs can also be over serial, even bootloader updates. if you want to make changes in the bootloader and you screw it up, the only recovery will be jtag. |
| 22:55:02 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: He has a Linuxworld special with the splash screen instead. Does that have blob or some ancestor of blob? |
| 22:55:30 | BZFlag | pattieja: the loader needs to have gzip code in it for other purposes. since that is there I would recommend uncompressed PNG be the only format supported and that the loader gzips that file in flash and gunzips it to the display. |
| 22:55:49 | kerneljacabo | i mean if i want to get rid of inferno and put redboot on there |
| 22:55:50 | pattieja | sounds good to me |
| 22:55:53 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: who has the LinuxWorld splash? |
| 22:55:56 | CosmicPenguin | kerneljacabo: |
| 22:56:05 | CosmicPenguin | kerneljacabo: Isn't that right? |
| 22:56:22 | BZFlag | ahh. kerneljacab then you do need jtag, as the blob you have is old and broken. |
| 22:56:35 | kerneljacabo | i have the linuxworld splash |
| 22:56:46 | BZFlag | kerneljacabo: with Inferno or not? |
| 22:57:29 | kerneljacabo | well we got it from mark and i dont know what he did with it. only the splash comes on when you power on. no boot screen no options, nada |
| 22:58:07 | kerneljacabo | so im assuming no inferno just blob |
| 22:58:16 | BZFlag | correct =( |
| 22:58:29 | BZFlag | did you get jtag then? |
| 22:58:41 | kerneljacabo | yeah i have the jtag with me right now |
| 22:58:58 | kerneljacabo | i am trying to figure out how to connect the damn thing |
| 22:59:25 | kerneljacabo | see when you open the ram slot cover there is some type of dongle sticking out |
| 23:00:31 | kerneljacabo | and then i have another cable and a parport connector, which im assuming goes into one of those connectors |
| 23:01:28 | CosmicPenguin | Alright - I am off to watch Monday Night Football and hack on the touchscreen driver... good night all! |
| 23:08:49 | kerneljacabo | alright guys. im gonna run now. i need to call some friends over at va linux and see whats going on with them |
| 23:09:34 | kerneljacabo | i figure from now on i will be frequenting this channel |
| 23:09:56 | kerneljacabo | Tim, i may contact you tomorrow about buying a few more units. |
| 23:10:14 | kerneljacabo | Peace out and Happy Hacking, Long Live the Penguin!!!! |
| 23:10:54 | kerneljacabo | btw, my icq is kerneljacabo if anyone wants to get involved in deving this thing with red hat embedded stuffs |
| 23:16:13 | BZFlag | headed home |
| 23:30:49 | Russ|werk | why was he so obsessed with redboot? |
| 23:41:54 | lchvdlch | please, where can I buy semiconductors online? |
| 23:42:12 | as2 | Everywhere. |
| 23:42:24 | as2 | Try arrow.com for one place I think. |
| 23:43:07 | lchvdlch | as2: thanks I'll see... |
| 23:43:36 | as2 | What sorts of chips are you specifically interested in? |
| 23:44:21 | lchvdlch | duart (phillips SC26C92) |
| 23:45:08 | as2 | Try doing a google search, check the manufacturer homepage, see who there distributers are... |
| 23:45:31 | as2 | Wild guess here, but I assume its a dual UART. |
| 23:46:14 | lchvdlch | as2: you are right, I found it at phillips, at $4.92 each (min. 9 units) |
| 23:46:59 | lchvdlch | as2: but wanted to try another sites... |
| 23:47:06 | as2 | Fair enough. |
| 23:50:05 | dath | My Tuxscreen just arrived:-> |
