| 00:11:04 | as_ | Hi BZ, are the slashdot orders keeping you busy? |
| 00:32:44 | BZFlag | it's tapered of quite a bit. I'll probably have 30 or so to ship on monday |
| 00:38:40 | cory | hrm |
| 00:39:00 | as_ | Cool cool. I should have thought better than to expect a reply to the email right away ;] |
| 00:39:02 | cory | 460 seconds |
| 00:39:16 | cory | /exec date +'%s' |
| 00:39:37 | boodle | anyone here get pivot_root stuff to work? |
| 00:43:32 | cory | almost a minute now |
| 00:44:05 | cory | 40 seconds |
| 00:44:28 | cory | 20 |
| 00:44:37 | cory | 999999876 |
| 00:44:46 | cory | 999999886 |
| 00:44:48 | cory | hrm |
| 00:45:01 | cory | it rolled around |
| 00:45:17 | cory | this clock is not up to date |
| 00:58:57 | Aelhaz | boodle: I think it's just a guideline . .. I mean, if it doesn't work, commense debugging |
| 00:59:06 | Aelhaz | if you come up with something that works, document it on the wiki |
| 00:59:48 | boodle | Aelhaz: actually the strange part is some weird behavior between tux tcpip and my linux box... tux pings it 'slowly'.. no ploss though.. and pivot_root always hangs... :( |
| 01:00:08 | boodle | Aelhaz: but tux can ping my ipaq just fine.. |
| 01:01:39 | Aelhaz | boodle: weird |
| 01:01:42 | Aelhaz | boodle: what nic? |
| 01:02:17 | BZFlag | see PivotRoot on the wiki. I have it working. |
| 01:02:20 | boodle | 2 tulips on my box.. I know there's been problems with the drivers off and on |
| 01:02:37 | Aelhaz | any difference if you try "ping -n 1.2.3.4" |
| 01:02:37 | Aelhaz | ? |
| 01:02:49 | boodle | BZFlag: THat's what I'm following :) |
| 01:02:59 | Aelhaz | boodle: should be working pretty well at this point |
| 01:03:03 | BZFlag | what doesn't work for you? |
| 01:03:08 | boodle | Aelhaz: no but ping is busybox ping I think and "-n" not in effect |
| 01:03:27 | Aelhaz | boodle: oh yeah |
| 01:03:44 | boodle | BZFlag: I'm seeing strange tcpip behavior from tux to my linux box.. it pings it but takes a while..no ploss though |
| 01:03:57 | boodle | BZFlag: But I can ping anything else from tux just fine.. |
| 01:04:10 | boodle | BZFlag: and any other computer can ping my linux box just fine... |
| 01:04:55 | boodle | BZFlag: for nfs, it seems laggy (share from my linux box of course) |
| 01:04:55 | boodle | BZFlag: on an actual pivot_root, it hangs and I get 'task errors' for the nfs mount |
| 01:05:22 | BZFlag | boodle: got /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 01:05:33 | boodle | BZFlag: Yep. pings yahoo nicely too |
| 01:06:00 | boodle | BZFlag: btw, i guess hosts.conf not in effect, correct (adding stuff to /etc/hosts had no effect) |
| 01:06:05 | BZFlag | hmmm.. I run debian over pivot_root nfs mount on a cio10t and it works great. |
| 01:06:36 | boodle | I have some other older pcmcia nics I should try |
| 01:06:50 | BZFlag | boodle: yeah, it's just a base system. once I pivot_root all that is working on debian of course. |
| 01:07:01 | BZFlag | that's what I suspect. |
| 01:07:07 | BZFlag | got any CF nics? |
| 01:07:07 | boodle | BZFlag: btw, ipaq binaries will not work as is on tux, correct? someone mentioned 'ulibc' or somesuch? |
| 01:07:12 | boodle | BZFlag: no |
| 01:07:22 | Aelhaz | boodle: I have sometimes had very strange issues with ping where I'll get no response for a long time, and then a bunch of responses over 1000ms slow |
| 01:07:43 | BZFlag | ipaq binaries will not work on the rootfs, no. But you can pivot_root to a CF or nfs fs with familiar on it. |
| 01:07:52 | boodle | Aelhaz: I've seen the kind of stuff too but usually related to version of ping and "-n" option needed like you mentioned |
| 01:08:26 | Aelhaz | boodle: Seems to be connected with ifdown'ing a nic while there's a default route, if i delete the default and add it again, the problem goes away |
| 01:08:27 | boodle | BZFlag: ok. will udrive work (don't know voltage) |
| 01:08:45 | BZFlag | cat /proc/interrupts and be sure your nic is getting interrupts. |
| 01:08:47 | Aelhaz | yes, udrive will work |
| 01:09:06 | BZFlag | boodle: any CF card will run at 3.3v, so yes the udrive works fine. |
| 01:09:37 | boodle | Aelhaz: heh |
| 01:09:37 | boodle | BZFlag: ok |
| 01:09:37 | boodle | BZFlag: ok great, will setup familiar there and pivot from that.. sounds safest for me at the momemt |
| 01:09:57 | as_ | Whats CF, compact flash? |
| 01:10:03 | boodle | as_: yes |
| 01:10:59 | as_ | I wonder why it was designed not to support 5v devices. |
| 01:11:03 | BZFlag | I had a 1G udrive running reiserfs with familiar, then debian. Both worked fine. |
| 01:11:15 | BZFlag | a bug, imho. |
| 01:12:03 | BZFlag | there is 5v in the device, and the support chips will handle 5v, so it should be an easy fix. Lucent did fix some, but they won't release the info yet. |
| 01:12:05 | boodle | BZFlag: excellent. debian would be my preference. dumb question on debian-arm.. does it support a 'sid' feed for the arm to the same extant as for i386? |
| 01:12:32 | as_ | Does a pin have to change voltage, or it just a matter of powering a particluar unconnected pin? |
| 01:12:50 | BZFlag | support: yes. Recommend: potato. woody and sid are fairly broken right now. |
| 01:13:05 | boodle | ok tks |
| 01:13:09 | BZFlag | as_: a pin needs to change voltage from what I can tell. |
| 01:13:34 | as_ | Hmm, an odd solution for somthing with so many pins. |
| 01:16:28 | Aelhaz | as_: so have you ordered one of these things yet? |
| 01:16:52 | as_ | Ive sent the email, BZ hasnt replied yet ;] |
| 01:17:28 | as_ | But hes been busy recently I gather, something about one or two /. orders. |
| 01:17:37 | Aelhaz | Yup |
| 01:17:40 | BZFlag | as_: hmmm... what's the name on the mail? |
| 01:17:51 | as_ | I'll PM. |
| 01:18:25 | as_ | I cant use paypal, so we need to do it oddly. |
| 01:18:53 | BZFlag | oh yeah. I've asked my bank for SWIFT info. would that work for you? |
| 01:19:06 | as_ | Hmm, so be honest, I dont know. |
| 01:19:10 | as_ | to. |
| 01:20:04 | as_ | Theyve told me every time, I need NAme/Address of person, account number, sort code, name and address of bank. |
| 01:22:29 | as_ | The only sensable option for shipping to the UK is 4 to 6 weeks, so its not like it needs to be done right away. |
| 01:31:02 | BZFlag | there's not something like western union money orders there? |
| 01:31:20 | as_ | We can do money orders. |
| 01:31:41 | as_ | They take a while to arrive. 2weeks ish often. |
| 01:31:44 | boodle | as_: paypal can use creditcards |
| 01:32:00 | as_ | paypal doesnt like non US credit cards. |
| 01:32:20 | boodle | as_: not euro eqivalent of mastercard (i forget the name) |
| 01:32:34 | as_ | VISA? |
| 01:32:59 | BZFlag | paypal should take visa |
| 01:33:01 | boodle | as_: well there's that too... but (in uk at least) there's a different name for mastercard (though same thing) |
| 01:33:19 | as_ | They do, but if the person is not living in the US, they cant verify the card. |
| 01:33:45 | BZFlag | and they will not let you send without verifying? |
| 01:33:48 | boodle | as_: Are you in uk? |
| 01:33:53 | as_ | So you place the request, everything goes ok, then a day later you get an email saying it failed. |
| 01:33:57 | as_ | Yes. |
| 01:34:25 | as_ | I tried to pay for an ebay order using paypal, right waste of time. |
| 01:34:28 | boodle | as_: The creditcard company that has the red/yellow circles as their symbol.... (i forget the name) |
| 01:34:41 | as_ | That is mastercard I think. |
| 01:35:01 | boodle | as_: heh yes but called something else in uk that is more well known there.... |
| 01:35:25 | boodle | aero? well nevermind.. if you don't have such a card then moot |
| 01:35:53 | boodle | there's always eft |
| 01:36:15 | as_ | Ive suggested bank transfer. |
| 01:36:55 | as_ | But with all the details my bank wants, it sounds like they sell there soul by telling it. |
| 01:37:43 | boodle | as_: Are you a student or near uni? |
| 01:37:56 | as_ | No, ex uni. |
| 01:38:10 | as_ | Why? |
| 01:38:15 | boodle | student guilds usually helpful for this sort of thing too |
| 01:38:28 | as_ | Ahh. |
| 01:39:04 | as_ | I'm real glad I'm still at uni. The on campus banks treated students like somthing they wanted to scrape of the bottom of there shoe. |
| 01:39:38 | boodle | as_: When I was at b'ham, an overdraft was the norm... |
| 01:39:55 | as_ | Yeah, everyone has those. |
| 01:40:25 | as_ | But they were extremly unhelpful. |
| 01:41:15 | as_ | If you wanted to withdraw more than £200 they wanted to be notified first in writing. |
| 01:41:17 | boodle | as_: well maybe even a tourist office... (my mother-in-law works at one ;)... they know how to handle stuff like this for all their punters |
| 01:42:12 | as_ | Ive done this before, but I dont know the american equivalent of 'account number and sort code'. |
| 01:42:43 | as_ | Ive purchased some fairly expensive stuff from ebay, I'm currently on an extended ebay holiday. |
| 01:42:54 | boodle | as_: well acct # is easy enough...bzflag's checking acct #.. 'sort code' i'm not familiar with |
| 01:45:05 | as2 | Re. |
| 01:45:17 | boodle | as_: well acct # is easy enough...bzflag's checking acct #.. 'sort code' i'm not familiar with |
| 01:46:08 | as2 | Well, if he asks for all the information someone would need to do a bank transfer, that should cover it. I'll throw the details at them, and let them sort it. |
| 01:47:05 | boodle | as2: According to my better 1/2, 'sort code' would come from the bottom left-hand corner of an american check ( I think banks here call it a 'clearing code' or somesuch) |
| 01:47:07 | as2 | The minimum charge is somthing like $20 and they keep me waiting an hour. |
| 01:47:39 | as2 | Could be. |
| 01:47:55 | as2 | Its definatly the info on the bottom of a check book here. |
| 01:48:47 | as2 | Roll on electronic banking. |
| 01:49:13 | boodle | as2: heh yep...nice easy revenue stream for fees |
| 01:50:30 | as2 | What did you study at birmingham? |
| 01:51:14 | boodle | as2: physics (fully bham uni) but was there a year prior with am. uni's abroad pgm.. |
| 01:51:27 | as2 | Cool. |
| 01:51:50 | as2 | I knew several physics students at my uni, the course was very hard. |
| 01:51:58 | boodle | where are you? |
| 01:52:18 | as2 | I'm in northamptonshire. Studied at nottingham. |
| 01:52:35 | boodle | So you go to the Vic centre then ;) |
| 01:52:36 | as2 | Not a million miles away from birmingam. |
| 01:52:51 | boodle | My wife was born in nottingham |
| 01:52:58 | as2 | Victoria center, used too once or twice. |
| 01:53:37 | as2 | Mainly wed go into nottingham center for clubbing. |
| 01:54:23 | boodle | as2: I only know pubs near bham and derby (where she grew up).. lived in winsom green (interesting :-) |
| 01:55:51 | as2 | I was lucky to get into uni when I did, 3 years later they stopped student grants. Bastards. |
| 01:56:28 | as2 | Now people leave uni with a 10k+ debt. |
| 01:56:44 | as2 | Into jobs that pay less than 15k/year. |
| 01:56:44 | boodle | as2: Yes I remember hearing that.. she went well before that.. yes it's the 'american way' now |
| 01:57:53 | boodle | My mother-in-law works with MPhil's at the derby tourist office... |
| 01:58:31 | boodle | welp gotta run.. night all |
| 01:59:30 | BZFlag | andersee: heya. |
| 02:00:27 | andersee | howdy |
| 02:00:39 | andersee | has been fixing stuff around the house today |
| 02:01:39 | andersee | I've got the shower door alomost fixed, and I'm all ready to paint over where i fixed the holes from when my daughter hun on the tower bar and ripped it out of the wall. |
| 02:02:14 | andersee | I guess I ought to go register with sourceforge now. |
| 02:02:24 | BZFlag | cool, cool. ;-) |
| 02:02:32 | andersee | What do I need to do after that to be able to commit stuff? |
| 02:03:36 | BZFlag | I just need to add you to the project. then you use the CVS info on the SF project site. username andersee? |
| 02:04:47 | BZFlag | hmm.. no andersee yet... |
| 02:05:45 | BZFlag | there is a codepoet already |
| 02:05:59 | andersee | k. I'm "andersee" |
| 02:06:09 | andersee | Just finished registering |
| 02:08:17 | BZFlag | https://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=20228 <- cvs info. just create a buildroot project and check it in. ;-) |
| 02:08:38 | BZFlag | er s/project/module/ but you knew that. |
| 02:09:09 | andersee | Sure, will do. |
| 02:10:04 | andersee | Question for you -- right now I have the base of the filesystem (stuff like /bin /etc /etc/inittab, etc) in a tarball. |
| 02:10:31 | BZFlag | probably unpack it and check the whole tree in. |
| 02:10:32 | andersee | I suppose it would be better to have that stuff just unpacked, but in a seperate directory. |
| 02:10:50 | BZFlag | we will need a copy script that nukes CVS stuff after/during the copy. |
| 02:11:00 | BZFlag | andersee: nod |
| 02:11:06 | Aelhaz | hey andersee |
| 02:11:12 | andersee | Then I can add symlinks using my hacked up mkfs.jffs2 (which I still need to commit to the MTD tree). |
| 02:11:17 | andersee | Aelhaz: howdy |
| 02:11:29 | BZFlag | andersee: nod again. ;-) |
| 02:11:55 | andersee | Someday, I should teach CVS about lstat and symlinks |
| 02:13:00 | BZFlag | that would be nice, yes. |
| 02:13:33 | BZFlag | it would be nice to have somthing like -k flags for permissions to distinguish from cvs permissions. |
| 02:14:40 | BZFlag | wishes everyone would peer rate him on SF https://sourceforge.net/users/timriker/ ;-) |
| 02:15:03 | andersee | I'll rate you if you rate me.... |
| 02:17:25 | BZFlag | andersee: I already rated you. |
| 02:20:12 | andersee | goes to find the watermellon in the fridge |
| 02:22:15 | BZFlag | have not seen Bruce around. I think he got at least 1 phone from moberg. |
| 02:28:00 | BZFlag | andersee: how/when did you get on advogato? |
| 02:28:32 | andersee | BZFlag: I dunno, a while back. I rarely visit there though. |
| 02:28:51 | andersee | I think it was beppu that encouraged me |
| 02:30:17 | BZFlag | If it was in SF I'd use it, but I don't see what advogato offers. it's kindof /., kindof freshmeat? |
| 02:32:05 | andersee | sortof. And occasionally someone posts a worthy rant. But usually not... |
| 02:35:29 | BZFlag | I like the ranking idea, SF needs more incentive to get people to use it. |
| 02:35:59 | BZFlag | you should be able to see who ranked who, but not IMHO what ranking they gave. |
| 02:36:51 | BZFlag | and the lists should be merged, so you can see easily if someone has ranked you and you have not ranked them. |
| 02:37:31 | andersee | yes, that would help |
| 02:37:52 | andersee | uses dmalloc to plug the mem leaks in mkfs.jffs2 |
| 02:46:35 | as2 | Gnite all. |
| 03:11:48 | andersee | K, my mkfs.jffs2 rewrite just went into the MTD cvs tree. |
| 03:19:11 | cory | woot |
| 03:20:29 | cory | tv card's radio function works |
| 03:21:07 | BZFlag | andersee: hard links now? |
| 03:21:46 | andersee | nope. I didn't add 'em in yet. Though the new architecture I just put in place should make adding them trivial. |
| 03:21:55 | BZFlag | agreed. |
| 03:26:02 | BZFlag | wonders if Morn will ever get some lines on Star Trek |
| 03:26:44 | cory | heh |
| 03:26:58 | cory | apparent girl writing "hey baby <heart>" |
| 03:27:02 | cory | and much giggling next door |
| 03:28:30 | Morn | on Star Trek? |
| 03:29:09 | cory | no, in real life |
| 03:29:58 | cory | so weird.. |
| 03:30:06 | cory | I'm getting TV audio, FM audio |
| 03:30:08 | cory | but no TV video yet. |
| 03:30:19 | cory | heh |
| 03:30:26 | cory | what kind of girl writes that on a door and isn't joking? |
| 03:30:38 | cory | is so jaded :P |
| 03:36:56 | BZFlag | http://TuxScreen.net/download/v0.3/ <- current binaries including tarred rootfs images |
| 03:37:23 | andersee | thx |
| 03:37:49 | andersee | is putting some polish on the buildsystem. |
| 03:38:24 | BZFlag | nice. you plan on checking it in tonight? |
| 03:39:00 | andersee | Probably. |
| 03:39:07 | BZFlag | kewel |
| 03:42:34 | andersee | I think I'll stick with bb init for now... |
| 03:43:20 | andersee | If it needs changes, then I'll change it. I've got time in my favor at the moment... |
| 03:47:53 | BZFlag | I'd prefer bb init. if you want a full init, you can get there with pivot_root |
| 03:48:41 | BZFlag | pcmcia-cs is needed though. |
| 03:48:53 | BZFlag | and lrzsx is probably a good idea too. |
| 03:49:11 | Aelhaz | if we fix initrd, folks could build a pcmcia initial ramdisk |
| 03:49:34 | andersee | TODO: pcmcia-cs |
| 03:49:34 | andersee | tinylogin |
| 03:49:34 | andersee | udhcp |
| 03:49:34 | andersee | lrzsx |
| 03:49:55 | andersee | Does blob not do initrds? |
| 03:50:05 | andersee | We could just glom one into the kernel. |
| 03:51:07 | BZFlag | yes. blob does initrds. |
| 03:51:25 | andersee | The permissions on /tmp in your tarball seem messed. Should be drwxrwxrwt |
| 03:51:37 | BZFlag | Aelhaz: blob 2.0.4 should have working initrd |
| 03:51:58 | BZFlag | Aelhaz: why not just use the internal rootfs and pivot_root? |
| 03:52:11 | BZFlag | andersee: possibly |
| 03:54:04 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: No reason, just sayin |
| 03:58:08 | andersee | BZFlag: back in a bit -- my wife needs me for a while |
| 03:58:24 | andersee | is away: I'm busy |
| 04:01:56 | zachh | anybody have any info on the lucent dsp? |
| 04:02:21 | zachh | enough to get a caller id string of information? |
| 04:04:36 | zachh | anybody out there? |
| 04:07:20 | Aelhaz | here |
| 04:07:28 | Aelhaz | I sure don't |
| 04:07:31 | Aelhaz | i hear that some do |
| 04:07:40 | Aelhaz | but we don't have any code yet |
| 04:08:10 | zachh | that bit of code, ought to be brough out... |
| 04:08:12 | zachh | heh |
| 04:10:13 | Aelhaz | aparantly we have the interest of some of the major linux telephony people, so that might get going real soon |
| 04:10:42 | zachh | i hope so, there is some amazing possiblities for this device |
| 04:11:32 | Aelhaz | yeah |
| 05:05:06 | cory | hm |
| 05:05:13 | cory | will it do pcmcia ethernet? |
| 05:11:07 | dec__ | a CF at 3.3v yes. Pcmcia 5v, not yet(?) -- needs hardware modification. |
| 05:31:43 | BZFlag | the data sheets are there, as well as the DSP daughter card schematics. That's the info that is now available. |
| 05:36:05 | zachh | alright, cool, i just wanted to make sure.... |
| 06:24:13 | | BZFlag: I forgot drugs |
| 06:24:13 | BZFlag | ibot: forget drugs |
| 08:01:24 | BZFlag | argh.... busybox modprobe is really just insmod. phooey |
| 08:31:44 | BZFlag | night all. |
| 11:40:35 | rehashed | Hi |
| 11:55:14 | rehashed | !seen BZflag |
| 12:00:21 | | rehashed: i haven't a clue |
| 12:00:21 | rehashed | ibot, ? |
| 12:00:23 | | fuck is cheese or a type of dog turd |
| 12:00:23 | rehashed | ibot, fuck |
| 12:00:32 | | de nada rehashed |
| 12:00:32 | rehashed | ibot, thank you |
| 12:00:43 | | rehashed: wish i knew |
| 12:00:43 | rehashed | ibot, hablas español? |
| 12:00:58 | | rehashed: I forgot fuck |
| 12:00:58 | rehashed | ibot, forget fuck |
| 12:01:08 | | rehashed: what? |
| 12:01:08 | rehashed | ibot f* |
| 12:01:14 | | rehashed: sorry... |
| 12:01:14 | rehashed | ibot, list |
| 12:06:48 | | rehashed: what? |
| 12:06:48 | rehashed | ibot, die |
| 12:14:46 | | bzflag was last seen on #tuxscreen 3 hours, 43 minutes and 2 seconds ago, saying: night all. [Sun Sep 9 09:31:44 2001] |
| 12:14:46 | rehashed | ibot, seen bzflag |
| 15:14:33 | NickB | Hello... Just catching up on my news and saw the TuxScreens... |
| 15:16:43 | zachh | yep |
| 15:17:00 | NickB | I think between me and a few more http://www.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au/ people we could do something useful with them. I'll be back after some sleep and a work day <sigh> |
| 15:17:27 | zachh | lots of possibility |
| 15:17:35 | NickB | is an ARM fan (as an old Acorn user) |
| 15:18:43 | zachh | indeed, lots of power in a small, power efficient shell |
| 15:18:51 | NickB | In the dim distant past, the UCC built an ARM2 machine and a custom OS from wirewrap ::-) |
| 15:19:11 | zachh | i am most interested in the telephony aspect of the device |
| 15:19:31 | NickB | nods |
| 15:19:34 | zachh | showing pictures of callers and all the other possiblities |
| 15:20:07 | zachh | and one hell of a nice price so us hackers can mess around |
| 15:21:24 | NickB | Definitely... Getting the telephony bit stable and useful would be great, then there's a world of things to tack onto it. |
| 15:21:33 | zachh | absolutely |
| 15:22:59 | zachh | have you ordered one yet? |
| 15:23:39 | NickB | No, but after I talk to some other people we'd probably want to get a few. |
| 15:23:51 | zachh | yep |
| 15:24:28 | NickB | I've been wondering where the programmable phone were for the past few years, but I wa thinking more about cellular phones. |
| 15:24:42 | NickB | Afer all, Nokia and everyone else signed onto the Java bandwagon very early. |
| 15:25:04 | zachh | yes, but the public dosent believe in it, yet |
| 15:25:40 | zachh | in truth, most people dont think they need any more complexity |
| 15:25:44 | NickB | All a cell phone is, is a computer, RF transciever, audio in and out, and a GSM codec. Why can't you get into it? Why can't you, say, load GSM sound samples in and play them back at will? |
| 15:26:08 | zachh | true |
| 15:28:13 | NickB | anyway... Talk to you soon. <wave> |
| 15:28:25 | zachh | see ya later |
| 20:05:03 | _Buck_ | Anybody aware of how operable the phone portion is independant of the OS? |
| 20:05:30 | Russ | the OS needs to do things to make it work |
| 20:06:58 | _Buck_ | k |
| 20:07:19 | _Buck_ | Just wondering, and my two screens are being held hostage by the USPS... :) |
| 20:07:59 | _Buck_ | I thought I had read something about a malfunctioning unit losing phone capability.... So it only figures |
| 20:08:43 | Russ | it works as a phone when it arrives |
| 20:09:55 | _Buck_ | Well, I'll fix that soon enough... |
| 20:09:57 | _Buck_ | :) |
| 21:40:02 | mallum | Hmmm, anyone used andersee's buildroot scripts ? |
| 22:13:50 | Aelhaz | <andersee> TODO: pcmcia-cs |
| 22:13:50 | Aelhaz | <andersee> tinylogin |
| 22:13:50 | Aelhaz | <andersee> udhcp |
| 22:13:50 | Aelhaz | <andersee> lrzsx |
| 22:14:01 | Aelhaz | no :) |
| 22:14:15 | Aelhaz | bah, he's gone |
| 22:14:35 | as_ | Yup. |
| 23:53:41 | AeroSpace | AeroSpace |