| 01:52:31 | cory | hee hee |
| 01:52:36 | cory | I'm on my 802.11b network now |
| 01:52:36 | GoRK | is away: (Branson, MO. Return on Monday) [BX-MsgLog Off] |
| 01:52:42 | cory | branson? |
| 01:52:45 | cory | I l ive in lawrence |
| 01:59:48 | cory | heh./ |
| 02:21:19 | cory | hi |
| 02:22:38 | andersee | hi |
| 02:25:08 | andersee | Got a phone yet? |
| 02:28:10 | Aelhaz | hi andersee |
| 02:28:18 | andersee | howdy |
| 02:28:27 | andersee | Still at work? |
| 02:29:14 | Aelhaz | nope, I bailed at 5 |
| 02:29:17 | cory | I haven't purchased a phone yet |
| 02:29:36 | cory | I just dropped $283 on the linksys wap11 and a wintv/go+fm card |
| 02:29:47 | Aelhaz | wasn't getting anything done anyway. Wasn't a good day for that . . . |
| 02:29:48 | cory | I'm liking the linksys so far.. haven't stressed it much |
| 02:29:59 | andersee | wants to buy a WAP11 as well... |
| 02:30:17 | Aelhaz | cory: You can presumably do mac address filtering on the wap11 |
| 02:30:21 | andersee | cory: Can you configure those beasties using Linux? |
| 02:31:06 | Aelhaz | andersee: I have one, you can't. you have to use Win98 to configure it via usb initially |
| 02:31:22 | cory | hm |
| 02:31:27 | cory | I haven't configured it =) |
| 02:31:33 | cory | my network is wide open |
| 02:31:46 | Aelhaz | mine is pretty wide open too, i'm not terribly worried |
| 02:31:57 | Aelhaz | might do mac filtering tho, just for that added 5% of security |
| 02:32:01 | cory | I'm tunneling web over ssh |
| 02:32:12 | Aelhaz | you know, the 10 minutes it'll take a wandering hacker to figure out why he can't associate with it, and change his mac |
| 02:32:21 | cory | hehe |
| 02:32:43 | cory | I'm going to make it proofed against non trivial attacks |
| 02:32:58 | cory | going to connect w/ crossover cable to an ethernet card in a linux box and disable ip masq, require ssh |
| 02:33:03 | Aelhaz | cory: WEP is a trivial attack . . . . |
| 02:33:05 | cory | and do everything over ssh |
| 02:33:16 | cory | aelhaz: eh, what about ssh? |
| 02:33:18 | Aelhaz | I oughta do that, but i don't have a computer near it that can handle that |
| 02:33:21 | cory | it's a little harder |
| 02:33:24 | Aelhaz | cory: SSH is nontrivial |
| 02:33:26 | andersee | ssh on the other hand, is non trivial to attack... |
| 02:33:37 | cory | I don't see any sense in using ssh |
| 02:33:53 | cory | um |
| 02:33:56 | cory | s/ssh/wep/ |
| 02:34:08 | andersee | right. Don't bother with WEP... |
| 02:34:37 | andersee | Just run a nice VPN over 802.11b -- use ipsec or vtun or some such. |
| 02:34:38 | cory | yeah, I know my shite better than your average joe (but about as much as you guys) |
| 02:34:43 | cory | screw that |
| 02:34:47 | cory | I'll just use ssh |
| 02:34:52 | cory | all I do is ssh and web really |
| 02:35:02 | cory | and macosx doesn't have an easy+good vpn yet :) |
| 02:35:25 | cory | I'm using an ibook2 w/ this linksys |
| 02:36:00 | cory | I went to 10th usenix security symposium |
| 02:36:06 | cory | had a wireless tutorial |
| 02:36:15 | cory | went to the wep wip by adam stubblefield |
| 02:36:24 | cory | airsnort wasn't out then, but now.. |
| 02:36:36 | cory | heh, people could have just sniffed packets in anticipation of its release :) |
| 02:37:03 | cory | hum. |
| 02:37:10 | cory | but I want one of these phones |
| 02:42:24 | cory | sorry, just musing :) |
| 02:45:01 | andersee | I've got the new build system for the phone finished off now. I'll have BZFlag put it in CVS, and then anyone who want to can just type 'make' and build a jffs2 image that is ready to be flashed into the phone. |
| 02:46:01 | andersee | It automagically sucks down all needed source code, applies the needed patches, and compiles up the target world all in one pass. |
| 02:46:22 | andersee | And so if people want to change the target world, they just adjust the makefile a bit. |
| 02:47:38 | andersee | goes looking from some dinner |
| 02:47:48 | cory | nice job |
| 03:19:19 | andersee | BZFlag: howdy |
| 03:33:37 | BZFlag | heya. nice attitude. ;-/ |
| 03:34:05 | BZFlag | how'd shanlee [sp?] take it? |
| 03:34:32 | BZFlag | ah, shaunlei right? |
| 03:38:34 | cory | heh |
| 03:38:39 | cory | I've never had a girlfriend |
| 03:39:30 | BZFlag | heh, I was continuing a conversation with andersee. |
| 03:39:49 | BZFlag | we're both married w/ kids. |
| 03:42:20 | cory | werd |
| 03:42:33 | cory | I'm a soph in college |
| 03:42:59 | cory | hrm.. it really looks like the tuxscreens aren't selling out |
| 03:44:41 | andersee | BZFlag: shes fine... no problem really, as we've been sortof preparing for this evantuality for a while now. |
| 03:45:28 | andersee | BZFlag: It was unexpected, but not entirely so, since we known for a while now things were less then 100% stable. |
| 03:45:43 | BZFlag | cool. |
| 03:46:07 | andersee | Do you have a CVS area all setup and ready for the build system? :) |
| 03:46:48 | BZFlag | looks like the blocked outgoing to 6667. 80, 22 are still open. I'm going to complain cause Casey is trying to chat with me right now. |
| 03:47:18 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: how odd, I've wondered idly if they pay attention to irc traffic |
| 03:47:32 | andersee | gah. You know they did that just because of my VPN... |
| 03:48:18 | cory | you guys work at the same place? or have the same isp? |
| 03:48:19 | andersee | Sortof like exterminating all life because a mosquito annoyed you. |
| 03:48:27 | andersee | Not any more. :( |
| 03:48:32 | andersee | got fired today |
| 03:48:44 | cory | ah |
| 03:48:46 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: The concept of outgoing port blocking at a heavily geek company always struck me as odd |
| 03:48:48 | cory | sucky |
| 03:48:58 | andersee | has been working for Lineo for the last 2 years |
| 03:49:05 | bmidgley | i read the layoff thing today. hard luck. |
| 03:49:09 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: I mean, sure, telnet for instance shouldn't be allowed. it just aint wise. keep people sane, & all that |
| 03:49:18 | andersee | Lineo had some major layoffs, and I got the axe |
| 03:49:21 | cory | habcom? |
| 03:49:24 | cory | oh |
| 03:49:24 | Aelhaz | but it's a walk in the park to set up an encrypted tunnel |
| 03:49:38 | Aelhaz | and then they won't have any idea what I'm doing |
| 03:49:56 | Aelhaz | just bad form to start off by being untrusting, I guess |
| 03:50:11 | cory | hm |
| 03:50:29 | badd00d | bummer |
| 03:50:31 | cory | caller id at my university sucks.. I see DID/DOD sometimes, or 785 other times (area code here), sometimes a whole number |
| 03:50:33 | andersee | Aelhaz: That is what I had, and why they shut down the irc port -- my VPN used 6667... |
| 03:50:40 | Aelhaz | andersee: Ah |
| 03:50:46 | Aelhaz | andersee: No reason it couldn't use 47 |
| 03:50:51 | cory | only nice thing it does is show room #'s of on campus phones |
| 03:51:01 | Aelhaz | andersee: or 80, or 443 . . . |
| 03:51:11 | badd00d | or 53 |
| 03:51:21 | badd00d | nstx (ip over dns) is fun |
| 03:51:28 | cory | are there any steganographic vpn's? |
| 03:51:49 | Aelhaz | 53, that's what i was thinking of . . |
| 03:51:54 | andersee | Aelhaz: Sure, I could have use any port. 443 is a good one. as is 110. But 6667 worked nicely during the whole period of my employment. |
| 03:51:56 | cory | haha.. ip over dns |
| 03:51:59 | cory | that's nuts. |
| 03:52:04 | Aelhaz | andersee: Yeah |
| 03:52:33 | Aelhaz | badd00d: httptunnel is pretty brutal on cacheing proxy servers, but works |
| 03:53:08 | badd00d | nstx really destroys dns servers, but it works too |
| 03:53:12 | Aelhaz | andersee: Unless they're willing to proxy all traffic, in a tech savvy company it's more or less meaningless |
| 03:53:23 | Aelhaz | badd00d: You seen the ip-over-smtp thing? |
| 03:53:28 | badd00d | yep. |
| 03:53:31 | Aelhaz | SLOW |
| 03:53:46 | badd00d | yeah, it would be :) |
| 03:54:08 | Aelhaz | you can run PPP over ssh |
| 03:54:19 | Aelhaz | and have an oddly done but effective vpn |
| 03:54:23 | cory | anyone know of any voip stuff for macosx? |
| 03:54:54 | badd00d | and with blowfish, pretty damn fast. |
| 03:55:09 | cory | hm, hm |
| 03:55:19 | cory | why doesn't anyone do ppp over ssh? that seems really nice |
| 03:55:27 | Aelhaz | cory: it's a cheezy hack |
| 03:55:31 | badd00d | people do. it really is nice. |
| 03:55:38 | cory | *shrug* |
| 03:55:50 | Aelhaz | I haven't done it. I just don't feel like it. |
| 03:56:29 | cory | I want macos 10.1 :( |
| 03:56:37 | Aelhaz | I SSH home and run the AlHazWork client from my home firewall 'cause I don't feel like talking to my girlfriend in cleartext over the corporate lan, anyway |
| 03:56:58 | Aelhaz | but there's no X on that box, so multi-channel irc is a PITA |
| 03:57:22 | badd00d | bitchx and screen, that's all you need ;) |
| 03:57:40 | cory | except when you say bitchx you pronounce it "epic |
| 03:57:41 | cory | " |
| 03:57:44 | Aelhaz | it's amazing how the concept of trust has gone right out the window |
| 03:57:48 | cory | ;) |
| 03:57:51 | Aelhaz | badd00d: I can't stand bitchx |
| 03:58:08 | Aelhaz | badd00d: and i have no respect for the author |
| 03:58:10 | badd00d | I can't stand xchat |
| 03:58:22 | badd00d | i don't know the author. |
| 03:58:33 | Aelhaz | 'cause the first time i tried it, I was on a sparc running linux |
| 03:58:46 | Aelhaz | and the console was 132x50 |
| 03:59:05 | Aelhaz | and i had a status bar at line 24 |
| 03:59:13 | Aelhaz | and text wrapped at collumn 80 |
| 03:59:26 | Aelhaz | because he hadn't yet figured out how exactly curses work |
| 03:59:29 | badd00d | heh |
| 04:00:00 | andersee | likes epic4 (though I'm using xchat today) |
| 04:00:19 | BZFlag | andersee: sign up for a SF account and you can upload to CVS. |
| 04:00:44 | andersee | grumble. Ok. |
| 04:01:03 | Aelhaz | badd00d: So, anyway, I tracked down the bitchx channel on efnet, and asked how to fix it. they said to change my console to 80x25. |
| 04:01:07 | andersee | has resisted the sourceforgification of the net thus far... :) |
| 04:01:16 | Aelhaz | badd00d: at which point i lost my temper, and let 'em have it |
| 04:01:22 | Aelhaz | and later realized the author was the one telling me to do that |
| 04:02:15 | Aelhaz | all you've got on a sparc ipc console is an 8x8 font on a 1024x768 screen . . . |
| 04:02:26 | Aelhaz | not *my fault the program couldn't handle that . . |
| 04:02:34 | cory | hmmm, 13th is when macos10.1 is supposed to be released |
| 04:03:05 | cory | 5 days, awesome |
| 04:03:11 | Aelhaz | I tried it again a few years later, and was shocked by all the silly colors and shiznit it put all over my screen. and deleted it. |
| 04:04:23 | BZFlag | andersee: you have a hard time conforming sometimes don't you? ;-) |
| 04:04:38 | andersee | Aelhaz: Try epic4 out, works nicely. |
| 04:04:39 | Aelhaz | i'm not terribly fond of Epic4, but it's OK. |
| 04:05:15 | andersee | I like it with the splitfire script. |
| 04:05:16 | Aelhaz | andersee: Sometimes i just miss ircII 2.8 with, oh, damn, I forget the name of that script that predated Phoenix . . . |
| 04:05:40 | andersee | BZFlag: true enough. |
| 04:05:48 | Aelhaz | Gargoyle? something like that |
| 04:06:03 | BZFlag | wonders which distro erik will use after all the world switches to debian. |
| 04:06:20 | BZFlag | grins |
| 04:06:20 | cory | hehe |
| 04:06:27 | andersee | BZFlag: I just have always questioned the longterm viability of sourceforge, and now more then ever... |
| 04:06:31 | Aelhaz | andersee: on X i just have xchat set up so it vaguely resembles openchat . . . the greatest irc client in the world . . . an os2 client . . . |
| 04:06:41 | cory | has no qualms with using OS X & also debian |
| 04:06:41 | Aelhaz | openchat was not open, of course. and it cost me $30. |
| 04:06:47 | BZFlag | andersee: nod |
| 04:06:51 | Aelhaz | and it was worth every penny |
| 04:06:57 | andersee | BZFlag: Of course, this is coming from a guy who thought oss.lineo.com was going to last forever... ;-) |
| 04:07:05 | Aelhaz | Even though the author was some sort of idiot-savant |
| 04:07:19 | cory | heh |
| 04:07:24 | cory | I've heard of openchat |
| 04:07:32 | BZFlag | used to use openchat. |
| 04:07:35 | Aelhaz | it was a complete rewrite of ircII 2.9. The legality of that is fuzzy |
| 04:08:04 | Aelhaz | but Max swore that he showed his entire code base to the the ircII maintainer, who said he didn't recognize any of it |
| 04:08:24 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: didn't know you'd ever used os2 |
| 04:08:44 | andersee | Aelhaz: BZFlag is older then you thing. |
| 04:08:48 | andersee | ducks |
| 04:08:51 | Aelhaz | heh |
| 04:09:17 | Aelhaz | used to know max mikhanosha. Guy didn't grok the concept of code pages for the longest time |
| 04:09:39 | andersee | Umm. Whats a code page? |
| 04:09:40 | Aelhaz | yet his script parser compiled irc scripts into internal p-code that ran something like 20 times faster than the usual ircII method |
| 04:10:04 | cory | cp437 etc? |
| 04:10:10 | cory | character set stuff |
| 04:10:11 | cory | ? |
| 04:10:28 | Aelhaz | andersee: it's this dos concept that allows for funny characters, rumor has it that europeans sometimes use computers too |
| 04:10:37 | BZFlag | heh. I still have OS/2 t-shirts around. |
| 04:10:51 | BZFlag | And a boxed 2.0 on floppys if iirc |
| 04:11:08 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: oh yeah, now i remember you mentioning it |
| 04:11:20 | BZFlag | though 1.1 was better cause you could kill the gui and task swap on the text console. |
| 04:11:46 | bmidgley | i called ibm and got a free beta on a bunch of floppies |
| 04:11:56 | BZFlag | me too. |
| 04:11:57 | bmidgley | half of them had data errors so it never even installed |
| 04:12:15 | bmidgley | that was when 386BSD looked like a contender |
| 04:12:23 | Aelhaz | cory: Anyway, ever tried "/window new" in ircII or Epic while in X? |
| 04:12:25 | BZFlag | probably not data errors. they were 1.77 M floppys and some drives don't like those. |
| 04:12:39 | bmidgley | hmm. |
| 04:13:34 | Aelhaz | it was literally ircII with multiple windows, a rudimentary script-definable menu bar at the top, and a side-bar with nicknames ala mIRC |
| 04:13:48 | Aelhaz | and rexx scripting. |
| 04:14:50 | Aelhaz | I wonder where mikh hides these days . . . |
| 04:17:21 | Aelhaz | http://www.os2ss.com/select/internet/chat/openchat.html <-- I'm even in the screen shots! |
| 04:18:21 | Aelhaz | had no idea . . . |
| 04:19:00 | bmidgley | andersee: you there? |
| 04:19:13 | andersee | yup |
| 04:19:39 | andersee | I was poking at epic4 or a minute |
| 04:19:39 | bmidgley | do you want to stick with a linux company or are you tired of trying to mix work & play |
| 04:19:47 | bmidgley | linux or bsd etc |
| 04:20:30 | andersee | I dunno for sure. I been doing some consulting for the government, and I may end up doing that for a while. Not really sure yet. |
| 04:20:55 | bmidgley | btw we met at a sllug about a year ago |
| 04:20:57 | andersee | One thing I am sure of is I plan to keep maintaining uClibc and BusyBox. |
| 04:21:18 | andersee | Oh? |
| 04:21:59 | andersee | http://www.xmission.com/~bmidgley/ |
| 04:22:05 | andersee | File exists, but access forbidden by user |
| 04:22:21 | bmidgley | it was a day the talk was on clusters and we ran around the U checking them out |
| 04:22:31 | bmidgley | whoops. http://www.turbolinux.com/~brad/ |
| 04:22:43 | andersee | Ahh, I recall that day. That was pretty cool. |
| 04:22:45 | bmidgley | that other is my resume but i'm hiding it for now :) |
| 04:23:03 | andersee | Understandable... :) |
| 04:24:53 | Aelhaz | well, I'm goin to bed |
| 04:29:18 | bmidgley | i bought an lcd projector on ebay but it was smashed up in shipping so i sent it back today (sad) |
| 04:30:01 | andersee | bummer. |
| 04:30:05 | cory | did he insure it? |
| 04:30:17 | badd00d | doh |
| 04:30:23 | bmidgley | yeah |
| 04:30:48 | bmidgley | it would work for 15 minutes, then overheat and shut off. so i got a taste for watching tv on the wall :) |
| 04:31:16 | bmidgley | i was amazed it cast an image with all the bits of glass coming out the grill :-/ |
| 04:34:07 | bmidgley | i'm going to try out this new (ppc) kernel |
| 04:34:45 | andersee | just pulled the "For Sale" sign from his front yard |
| 04:36:09 | cory | heh |
| 04:36:17 | cory | we're moving to a new house |
| 04:36:30 | cory | I guess there is still a for sale sign in the front yard.. but it says "sold" too |
| 04:38:21 | andersee | cool. |
| 04:39:11 | andersee | I just pulled my sign since I got fired. No point moving closer to my (former) work. |
| 04:40:16 | cory | I bought a wintv-go-fm model 191 today |
| 04:40:33 | cory | a chip says 878 on it, I'm betting it's a bt878 so bttv compatible |
| 04:40:54 | cory | this thing has an fm radio.. hope it works w/ linux :) |
| 04:40:54 | dec_ | it'll work. |
| 04:41:30 | andersee | night all |
| 04:41:59 | cory | the fm? |
| 04:44:48 | cory | nice |
| 04:44:50 | cory | this is looking good |
| 04:44:52 | cory | :) |
| 05:25:10 | raybass | mmm.. sboot is fun to play with |
| 05:25:17 | raybass | touchtest especially |
| 05:33:12 | BZFlag | heh |
| 05:40:27 | bmidgley_ | BZFlag: news on sodimm upgrade compatibility? still no joy? |
| 05:43:16 | BZFlag | have not had time to get back to it, no. |
| 05:58:12 | bmidgley_ | 'night |
| 13:11:02 | cory | heh |
| 13:11:08 | cory | I'm irc'ing in my car |
| 13:11:23 | cory | l8r |
| 15:14:21 | kram | has returned. |
| 15:23:26 | kram | is away - Not here right now, sorry... - Your msgs will be saved. |
| 15:58:22 | gmillerd | anyone have a 'newbie tuxscreen howto' link sounds amazing |
| 16:01:38 | cory | re |
| 23:47:42 | cory | just about an hour left until the billenium |