| 00:00:50 | as_ | Hhaha. |
| 00:14:52 | kram | has returned. |
| 00:18:06 | sammy | morning all |
| 00:18:15 | joev | good night :^) |
| 00:19:22 | joev | just got my TuxScreens.. Can't wait to go home... |
| 00:24:24 | kram | is away - Not here right now, sorry... - Your msgs will be saved. |
| 02:28:37 | Russ | hey rob |
| 02:49:08 | andersee | BZFlag: Cool article |
| 03:01:54 | jacques | arg!!!!! |
| 03:02:00 | jacques | ppl always have to ruin the fun! |
| 03:02:38 | jacques | BZFlag: please don't sell the entire inventory to some company who's going to mark them up to $400 :-( |
| 03:03:58 | sammy | and also keep one for me ... |
| 03:05:31 | Aelhaz | article? |
| 03:05:42 | badd00d | is 8MB the biggest SODIMM that can be used? |
| 03:06:14 | Aelhaz | badd00d: right now the 8mb that it comes with is the only one that works under linux |
| 03:06:25 | Aelhaz | 32meg works under inferno but not linux |
| 03:06:28 | Aelhaz | it's being worked on |
| 03:06:41 | badd00d | so the physical limit is 32meg? |
| 03:07:44 | Aelhaz | 40 |
| 03:07:49 | Aelhaz | there's 8 megs on board |
| 03:08:13 | Aelhaz | a very small number of phones reportedly had 16 megs on board, they could go to 48 - we don't think we have any of those in the 1200 that tim has |
| 03:09:18 | jacques | or the ons with the clear cases :-D |
| 03:09:57 | Aelhaz | i think that one was a very early manufacturing sample |
| 03:10:15 | jacques | yeh, robably |
| 03:10:17 | Aelhaz | the real tragedy is that there's another 2600 of them out there. or were. |
| 03:10:51 | Aelhaz | philips auctioned off three lots of 1300 phones, two lots went to someone we haven't been able to contact |
| 03:11:03 | Aelhaz | they've probably been stripped for parts |
| 03:12:46 | BZFlag | jacques: I plan to sell em all to hackers. not some company. |
| 03:13:40 | badd00d | i thought only 4000 were made? |
| 03:14:23 | badd00d | 1300*3+1400=5300 |
| 03:15:23 | jacques | BZFlag: i love you man! |
| 03:20:37 | Aelhaz | badd00d: 1300 * 3 |
| 03:20:51 | Aelhaz | Habitat got one lot, the other two went to someone else |
| 03:20:59 | Aelhaz | bz ended up with 1200 of the habitat lot |
| 03:21:01 | Aelhaz | roughly |
| 03:21:22 | badd00d | gotcha |
| 04:28:46 | matrix | woo |
| 04:29:35 | matrix | i picked up a netgear 10/100 pcmcia nic today and it can be added to the list of confirmed working cards |
| 04:31:46 | Aelhaz | cool |
| 04:31:49 | | well, model is traveling to Kansas City, MO while i'm in Colorado, then while I'm traveling to the Dakotas, she's traveling to Minnesota, then when I go to Kansas City, she's back here. Damn. |
| 04:31:49 | Aelhaz | what model? |
| 04:32:50 | matrix | netgear model FA 410tx |
| 04:33:01 | cory | heh |
| 04:33:56 | matrix | even tho it has a 5volt logo on the back, it's an ne2k clone |
| 04:36:05 | matrix | i think the linksys np100 will also work if the axnet_cs driver is loaded |
| 04:39:43 | Aelhaz | matrix: it works in the phone tho? |
| 04:42:57 | matrix | hold on |
| 04:43:47 | matrix | i need another phone, i think i may have a pcmcia issue |
| 04:44:02 | Aelhaz | why? |
| 04:44:02 | matrix | it didn't initialize properly this time |
| 04:44:29 | Aelhaz | the pcmcia slots in these phones are very crudely hacked in. that's why only some cards work. |
| 04:44:52 | matrix | but i also had problems previously with the socket lp-e coming up as a memory card a lot this week |
| 04:45:07 | Aelhaz | *nod* |
| 04:55:31 | | BZFlag: I forgot model |
| 04:55:31 | BZFlag | ibot: forget model |
| 05:02:17 | matrix | the fa410tx is not stable unfortunately |
| 05:02:38 | matrix | sorry to jump the gun on that one |
| 05:03:35 | matrix | although i can get it to work, it's just as likely to reboot the phone (i guess it really is a 5v card) |
| 05:05:09 | BZFlag | add a comment to the wiki to that effect. ;-) |
| 05:05:46 | badd00d | feed the wiki. know the wiki. love the wiki. |
| 05:07:06 | matrix | under a section: pcmcia that cures a hard crash |
| 05:08:51 | matrix | you know, i've had this fone for almost a year and i've stuck all manner of pcmcia into the slots during that time, i wonder what effect that may have had on the controller |
| 06:06:48 | GoRK | is away: (Branson, MO. Return on Monday ) [BX-MsgLog Off] |
| 06:06:48 | GoRK | is idle, Branson, MO. Return on Monday [bX(l/on p/on)] |
| 06:44:29 | finalfantasydog | i've decieded that the most of the slashdot posters are ignorant people |
| 06:44:55 | finalfantasydog | these comments they make have no backing to them and are just unjustfied statments being made from the first thing that comes into thier head |
| 06:59:27 | andersee | BZFlag: you still up? |
| 07:00:09 | BZFlag | yeah. |
| 07:00:15 | BZFlag | though I should not be. |
| 07:00:25 | BZFlag | got a living room full of phones again. |
| 07:01:11 | andersee | heh |
| 07:01:20 | andersee | So you've sold over 100? |
| 07:01:31 | andersee | How many have you managed to ship? |
| 07:01:52 | BZFlag | matrix: probably no effect. cards try to negotiate for power on insertion, and Inferno probably does not even enable the ports anyway. |
| 07:02:24 | andersee | I just finished my mkfs.jffs2 rewrite. :) |
| 07:02:35 | BZFlag | USPS did _not_ come by today to pick them up like they promised. =( so they are all upstairs in the living room. |
| 07:02:56 | andersee | I don't have hard link support in quite yet, but the new architecture will make it easy to finish that little bit off. |
| 07:03:02 | BZFlag | sweet |
| 07:03:49 | andersee | I'll finish that bit up in the morning, after some sleep. And I'll get you the new tuxscreen build system as well. |
| 07:04:24 | BZFlag | it's not like I'll have the time to look at it for a few days, but thanx! |
| 07:04:49 | andersee | Sure. So the whole 100+ are sitting in your living room? |
| 07:05:53 | BZFlag | Yeah. I think I'll take a picture tomorrow for the web site. "Slashdot hits the Living Room" |
| 07:06:37 | BZFlag | I've got a few more to address, but basically all the orders from the last 2 days are ready to go. 1/2 should have gone today if USPS had a brain. |
| 07:07:08 | andersee | Did many pay for flash unlock and nics? |
| 07:07:44 | BZFlag | I took down the NIC add cause there are not enough. I've got like 10 left now. |
| 07:08:02 | BZFlag | Only like 10 phones wanted flash unlocking. |
| 07:30:50 | LandWork | bzflag you there? |
| 07:32:28 | LandWork | can I purchase 3 of them? and do you ship to australia? |
| 07:32:58 | Russ | (I can answer, yes and yes) |
| 07:34:00 | LandWork | sweet. |
| 07:34:10 | LandWork | how much would packaging be? |
| 07:34:21 | LandWork | if it costs too much 2 of them will do... |
| 07:34:23 | Russ | that I don't know |
| 07:34:40 | LandWork | when did he first offer these? |
| 07:36:08 | Russ | ummmm |
| 07:37:22 | Russ | http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/Main/SomeHistory |
| 07:37:27 | BZFlag | around May as I recall. |
| 07:37:35 | Russ | Q: Why is page 81 missing from the manual? |
| 07:37:41 | Russ | I'm missing page 81 myself |
| 07:37:52 | Russ | as well as a few other pages I can't seem to find |
| 07:37:52 | BZFlag | LandWork: that would be on 2 pack at 17' and 1 single at 7' 13" |
| 07:38:22 | LandWork | bzflag: 17 inches? |
| 07:38:24 | LandWork | what is 2 pack? |
| 07:38:31 | BZFlag | Russ: Philips wanted thier name removed, and it's on every page of the manual, so I take them all out =( |
| 07:39:02 | BZFlag | LandWork: 17 lbs for the double and 7 lbs 13 oz for the single. |
| 07:39:08 | Russ | BZFlag: I can't find pages 3, 13, 23, 30-39, 43, 53, 63, 73, 83, or 93, |
| 07:39:12 | Russ | something with the number 3 |
| 07:39:29 | LandWork | bz: ok, so 1 phone is 2 packages? |
| 07:39:36 | BZFlag | no. |
| 07:39:45 | BZFlag | I have single phones in boxes and |
| 07:39:55 | BZFlag | boxes with 2 phones. (2 packs) |
| 07:40:00 | LandWork | ahhhhh ;) |
| 07:40:03 | Russ | I also don't have any even numbered pages |
| 07:40:15 | LandWork | sounds good. |
| 07:40:23 | BZFlag | or any odd number pages either. get some sleep. ;-) |
| 07:40:32 | Russ | right!!! |
| 07:40:50 | LandWork | $37.20 USD to deliver to australia... OUCH.. |
| 07:40:54 | LandWork | that's surface mail. |
| 07:41:05 | BZFlag | everything but orders from the last few hours is ready to go out tomorrow. |
| 07:41:15 | Russ | it was $13.40 to deliver two to an adjacent state |
| 07:41:33 | Russ | 37.20 doesn't sound half bad to ship half way around the world |
| 07:41:34 | LandWork | that's just life I guess. |
| 07:41:40 | LandWork | your in utah? |
| 07:41:45 | Russ | arizona |
| 07:41:45 | BZFlag | I am, yes |
| 07:41:50 | LandWork | russ: that's 4-6 weeks though :( |
| 07:42:04 | Russ | yah...mine was 6 day |
| 07:42:18 | LandWork | what about these manuals are they all torn up? |
| 07:44:32 | BZFlag | no. I have them, I just can't give them to anyone. |
| 07:45:01 | BZFlag | they are "idiot" manuals on Inferno. Not much of any useful nature to anyone that has used a computer before. |
| 07:45:09 | LandWork | i'm not anyone ;) hehe i'm a potential customer ;) |
| 07:45:16 | LandWork | oh... |
| 07:45:41 | BZFlag | trust me, you're not missing anything useful anyway. |
| 07:45:45 | LandWork | hehe ok. |
| 07:46:24 | BZFlag | I'd be happy to send a copy to anyone that will volunteer to scan them all and nuke every Philips/Lucent reference and put the scanned version up on the net. |
| 07:46:38 | LandWork | do you have any garuantee that they'll work? |
| 07:46:47 | BZFlag | the manuals? ;-) |
| 07:46:52 | LandWork | haha no the devices ;) |
| 07:47:03 | BZFlag | I gaurantee them to not be DOA. |
| 07:47:10 | LandWork | sweet. |
| 07:47:17 | LandWork | return policy if they are? |
| 07:48:00 | BZFlag | only one happened so far. it was one of the two internal boards. (cworth) he found the bad board and I shipped a replacement. |
| 07:48:08 | LandWork | sounds good. |
| 07:48:17 | BZFlag | he sent me back the dead board too. |
| 07:48:18 | LandWork | is there a discount for 2? |
| 07:48:32 | LandWork | $180 US? |
| 07:48:54 | BZFlag | no discounts. but a 2 pack is cheaper to ship than 2 separate phones. |
| 07:49:19 | LandWork | true... |
| 07:49:20 | LandWork | hmmmm... |
| 07:49:21 | BZFlag | my agreement with Habitat restricts the pricing. |
| 07:49:30 | LandWork | who is habitat? |
| 07:49:36 | BZFlag | oh, I guess I can charge more if I want to... ;-) |
| 07:50:03 | BZFlag | Habitat Communications. They actually own the phones. I have them on consignment. |
| 07:50:09 | LandWork | oh. |
| 07:50:34 | LandWork | ha.. you probably already do ;) |
| 07:50:35 | LandWork | hehehe |
| 07:50:58 | BZFlag | It was the cheapest way to swing the deal. If I had to buy them all out right, I'd have to be charging more to get to break even faster. |
| 07:52:15 | LandWork | hmmm ok... well how does playpal work, does the cash go into a holding area until I receive the goods? |
| 07:53:04 | finalfantasydog | Dude, trust tim, he's not going to try and take your money and run or any such type of scam |
| 07:54:53 | LandWork | i know that.. but if playpal is available... |
| 07:55:00 | LandWork | that's probably the way to go... |
| 07:55:13 | LandWork | What revision are you shipping? |
| 07:55:37 | BZFlag | afaik all the boards I have are E rev 3 |
| 07:56:21 | finalfantasydog | for an extra 20 bucks someone else will ship it with linux pre-installed to you |
| 07:56:38 | LandWork | I can do that.. |
| 07:56:39 | BZFlag | LandWork: vis paypal: it's like any credit card order. You can contest it with paypal. |
| 07:57:18 | BZFlag | The upside of paypal is that the vendor (me) never gets your card number at all. I have no way to over charge you even if I wanted to. |
| 07:57:34 | LandWork | ok sounds good i'll throw an order through when I get a chance. |
| 07:58:16 | LandWork | do I get schematics? |
| 07:58:31 | BZFlag | In fact I never even see what kind of card you use. All the info I can see is whether it was check, card, or wire transfer. |
| 07:58:45 | BZFlag | LandWork: what's on the wiki, is all there is. |
| 07:59:33 | BZFlag | there are partial, somewhat old schematics of the DSP daughter card. There are a lot of data sheets on the ships used, but we have not gotten a hold of full schematics. |
| 07:59:48 | BZFlag | s/ships/chips/ |
| 08:00:05 | BZFlag | wonders how they fit those ships inside the phone. ;-( |
| 08:02:11 | LandWork | hehe |
| 08:02:14 | LandWork | bummer.. |
| 08:02:20 | LandWork | schematics would be good. |
| 08:03:37 | LandWork | are you on here often BZ? |
| 08:03:42 | LandWork | it must be like 3 am over there.. |
| 08:03:55 | BZFlag | It still might happen, I'm in touch with a few of the original team members. But don't hold your breath. |
| 08:04:10 | LandWork | ok.. |
| 08:04:22 | BZFlag | yep. 3:04 am. I'm finishing up the last boxes to be able to ship tomorrow morning. |
| 08:04:38 | BZFlag | it's been a long 2 days since the /. effect. |
| 08:05:04 | BZFlag | I've still got like 1-2 hours or work to do for Lineo before I sleep. =( |
| 08:05:16 | LandWork | you work for lineo? |
| 08:05:21 | BZFlag | s/or/of/ man I better get some sleep. |
| 08:05:29 | BZFlag | is guru@lineo.com |
| 08:05:42 | LandWork | oh wow, what do you do there? |
| 08:06:32 | BZFlag | all kinds of embedded linux work. I do a lot of StrongARM projects so the phone was an easy thing to get involved with. |
| 08:06:38 | Russ | BZFlag: are you suckers on daylight savings? |
| 08:06:49 | BZFlag | yeah. |
| 08:07:53 | Russ | I like saving night better |
| 08:07:55 | LandWork | bzflag: sounds cool.. I work at TouchStar (www.touchpc.com) we do our own StrongARM machine... (I do SW in Sydney)... |
| 08:08:07 | Russ | Its only 2AM here, the night is young |
| 08:08:46 | BZFlag | nice. when I'm not so tired, you'll have to tell me more. |
| 08:08:55 | BZFlag | iff to tape up the last boxes... |
| 08:08:59 | BZFlag | er off.. |
| 08:09:12 | LandWork | hehehe likewise, i'll have a think about buying a couple of the machines.. they're definately a bargin... |
| 08:09:23 | LandWork | good to see the ./ effect prosper... |
| 08:09:52 | LandWork | you know I didn't even find you guys from ./ (which I read everyday)... I link you up from www.handhelds.org.... |
| 08:11:15 | Russ | I found them in #handhelds.org |
| 08:11:37 | finalfantasydog | uhh i found them when tim came in #handhelds.org annd annouced that he was buying the phones |
| 08:21:41 | BZFlag | finalfantasydog: heh. those were the days, huh? ;-) |
| 08:22:18 | jacquesZzZz | heh |
| 08:22:30 | BZFlag | all boxes. 96 phones in my living room. (there are a few international orders that are waiting for some paperwork) |
| 08:23:14 | jacquesZzZz | dude, i hope you're getting something out of this because it's obviously serious work |
| 08:23:57 | BZFlag | you can't even imagine. that's 800 pounds of phones. |
| 08:24:40 | jacquesZzZz | dayum |
| 08:24:49 | BZFlag | writing out invoices, removing philips from each one, postage calculation that varies by zip code. ugh. |
| 08:25:12 | jacquesZzZz | makes me tired just thinking about it |
| 08:26:20 | BZFlag | I took yesterday off from work (well, wednesday) and was up till 5 am, had to go to work today and still try to meet a project deadline for tomorrow. Now I'm up till 3:30 and I'm just getting back to Lineo stuff. |
| 08:26:41 | jacquesZzZz | :-( |
| 08:26:44 | BZFlag | I look forward to sleeping in on Saturday! |
| 08:26:46 | jacquesZzZz | hang in there |
| 08:27:31 | BZFlag | oh, and after getting to bed at 5 am thursday morning I get a call at 7 am with "do you still have phones left? I was hoping to order one in a few days" |
| 08:28:14 | jacquesZzZz | ARG!!! how did they get your number?? |
| 08:28:22 | BZFlag | woke my 2 year old up too, so I could not go back to sleep. |
| 08:28:58 | jacquesZzZz | bastards! |
| 08:28:58 | BZFlag | I'm listed, and it's on my resume on my web site. but It's _not_ on the TuxScreen site. |
| 08:29:17 | BZFlag | sleep is a luxury? =( |
| 08:29:42 | BZFlag | well. off to hack out the Lineo stuff so I can sleep. |
| 08:29:52 | jacquesZzZz | ok, good luck to you |
| 08:29:57 | BZFlag | I'm sure I'll look back and laugh some say. ;-) |
| 08:30:12 | BZFlag | er someday... and maybe I'll learn to type too. |
| 08:30:16 | jacquesZzZz | yes, i believe that to be true |
| 08:30:30 | jacquesZzZz | both make sense |
| 09:12:44 | LandWork | jacques: did you buy any of the phones? |
| 12:52:09 | pattieja | morning all |
| 12:56:17 | CosmicPenguin | pattieja: Morning.... |
| 12:56:58 | CosmicPenguin | <-- Really needs to get a connection at home. It seems I miss all the fun conversations |
| 12:57:13 | pattieja | morning CosmicPenguin |
| 12:59:16 | CosmicPenguin | pattieja: when is your board to arrive? |
| 12:59:31 | pattieja | it's not |
| 12:59:34 | pattieja | I bought the Audrey |
| 13:00:10 | CosmicPenguin | pattieja: Thats right..... how is the hacking progress? |
| 13:00:37 | pattieja | haven't touched it since I talked to you guys. |
| 13:00:52 | pattieja | BZFlag will probably get mad at us for talking about it on this channel, though. |
| 13:01:02 | pattieja | of course, he's not here right now, hehe :) |
| 13:01:18 | CosmicPenguin | pattieja: Nah, there's nothing going on today... he was just a little uptight because of the /. effect the other day..... |
| 13:01:40 | pattieja | I could see how that would have an "overwhelming" effect |
| 13:01:40 | CosmicPenguin | I don't blame him, that article was kinda out of the blue |
| 13:01:58 | pattieja | I took a look at the articles posted in the topic |
| 13:02:17 | pattieja | The TuxScreen and the Audrey are almost on par with each other. |
| 13:02:46 | pattieja | Except the Audrey has slightly better display colordepth and more memory (32MB RAM, 16MB flash) |
| 13:03:25 | CosmicPenguin | Well, I hope you can figure out how to toss linux on the thing. My company has a couple of Geode based thin client images that would work if you could convince the thing to boo off of CF |
| 13:03:32 | CosmicPenguin | s/boo/boot |
| 13:03:44 | pattieja | CosmicPenguin: do you know any of the inner workings of the "blob" loader? |
| 13:03:53 | pattieja | well that's just it |
| 13:04:33 | pattieja | there is a QNX only IPL (Initial Program Loader) that resides in the upper 64K of the onboard flash 0xFF00000... something |
| 13:05:22 | pattieja | One of the guys who was able to hack a korn shell using pterm or something "under QNX" (not Linux, yet), says that there's probably going to need to be a 3-stage process to get Linux onto the onboard flash. |
| 13:05:54 | CosmicPenguin | pattieja: I know that blob is a strongarm based boot loader, thats about it. Before the tuxScreen, I only used it once, and I hated it. It has evolved much since then.... |
| 13:06:07 | pattieja | CosmicPenguin: mind joining #audrey? |
| 13:06:22 | CosmicPenguin | pattieja: I'll be there.... |
| 13:06:27 | pattieja | hmm. |
| 13:06:57 | joev | So I just got my 'screens in the mail... How are you guys applying the 12V to unprotect the flash? A pile of batteries, a bench power supply, a computer power supply? And resistors in the middle, etc.? |
| 13:08:36 | CosmicPenguin | joev: We grabbed a couple of test leads, and a 8 AA battery pack from Radio Shack.... |
| 13:09:19 | joev | cool. Thanx. I just don't want to toast the thing (which was why I asked about resistors in in the mix) |
| 13:10:17 | CosmicPenguin | joev: As long as you've got 12V it should be good. Just tape over the other contacts to avoid problems. |
| 13:10:33 | joev | cp: thank you sir. |
| 13:11:00 | CosmicPenguin | joev: Not a problem. Have fun! |
| 13:13:25 | joev | Any idea what the ribbon cable is in this pic?: http://TuxScreen.net/img/flashprotectpins.jpg |
| 13:14:43 | joev | Ah.. It's probaly the JTAG connection shown here: http://TuxScreen.net/img/mvc-613f.jpg |
| 13:14:50 | CosmicPenguin | joev: RIght.... :) |
| 13:43:58 | kram | has returned. |
| 13:49:59 | kram | cosmicpenguin: you here? |
| 13:50:43 | CosmicPenguin | I am here kram... :) |
| 14:04:27 | RobFlynn | hi kram |
| 14:30:34 | kram | is away - Not here right now, sorry... - Your msgs will be saved. |
| 15:43:18 | boodle | Anyone here have linux running on tuxscreen (question on rootfs installation step) |
| 15:44:23 | boodle | nevermind :) |
| 16:17:04 | boodle | Anyone on with linux going (have it running and have some quesitons) |
| 16:17:36 | CosmicPenguin | boodle: What ?? do you have? |
| 16:17:47 | boodle | CosmicPenguin: linux on tuxscreen |
| 16:18:15 | CosmicPenguin | boodle: Sorry, what questions do you have? |
| 16:18:19 | boodle | Just wondered what the steps are to try x-windows.. I know it doesn't always work but... |
| 16:18:43 | boodle | using 8/29 rootfs v0.3 |
| 16:18:59 | CosmicPenguin | Ok... do you have familiar on a CF? |
| 16:19:19 | boodle | nope but can do.. |
| 16:20:04 | CosmicPenguin | Thats your best bet at the moment. Toss familiar on a CF and follow the PivotRoot instructions off of the wiki |
| 16:20:15 | boodle | ok thanks |
| 16:20:41 | CosmicPenguin | I would give you more support, but I'm not an X-windows guy, so..... |
| 16:21:56 | boodle | CosmicPenguin: np.. you've given me what I need |
| 16:24:19 | boodle | cool.. got my pcmcia working with it :-).. |
| 16:25:00 | CosmicPenguin | Thats the first step... :) |
| 16:25:35 | boodle | Will make life MUCH easier :-)) |
| 16:28:03 | CosmicPenguin | boodle: If you are brave, you could also try a NFS mount.... |
| 16:28:14 | boodle | CosmicPenguin: that's where I'm heading |
| 16:28:33 | CosmicPenguin | <--- not nearly as brave |
| 16:28:39 | boodle | debian-arm / intimate mixture.. |
| 16:28:48 | boodle | don't see how you could fsck anything... |
| 16:29:32 | CosmicPenguin | boodle: Just a time investment, thats all..... |
| 16:30:06 | boodle | CosmicPenguin: yepper.. I have stuff sort of setup from ipaq stuff so shouldn't take too much |
| 16:41:25 | boodle | hmmm busybox 'route' pgm playing havoc with /etc/pcmcia stuff... routes a bit fscked.. |
| 16:44:55 | bworth | bzflag: welcome, have things slowed down at all? |
| 16:44:59 | BZFlag | http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view/Main/SlashdotLivingRoom |
| 16:45:18 | BZFlag | yeah. not many orders this morning. |
| 16:45:31 | BZFlag | if the post office would just show up soon, all will be well. |
| 16:47:17 | bworth | whoa, and my wife complains about the space that my computer desk takes up in the living room |
| 16:47:44 | boodle | BZFlag: Got my first boot into v0.3 in the new tuxscreen :-)) |
| 16:49:32 | boodle | Does anyone know of any 3.3v wireless nics? |
| 16:50:04 | boodle | My 3com airconnect was recognized but haven't checked it out fully (iwtools not there yet) |
| 16:50:52 | BZFlag | boodle: nice. oh, and that's your phone return on the top of the stack. |
| 16:51:29 | boodle | BZFlag: cool :) |
| 16:51:39 | BZFlag | bworth: well, the office is full too, but those are the ones packaged and ready. |
| 16:53:32 | bworth | bzflag: what's the ratio of people ordering them with flash unlocked? Do you have to do much preperation per unit, or just slap on a mailing label? |
| 16:59:52 | BZFlag | bworth: about 10% want unlock. |
| 17:00:26 | BZFlag | I have to open each box, scrape off the philips logo on the screen and keyboard (sometimes I jsut cover it with a TuxScreen label) |
| 17:01:26 | BZFlag | remove the docs =( repackage. hand write an invoice, cut and paste mailing info into mailing software (win32, yuck) add in weight and insurance (if any) |
| 17:01:51 | BZFlag | print label, insert invoice, tape it up and add it to the stack. |
| 17:02:11 | RobFlynn | Has anyone made any progress with the DSP yet ? |
| 17:02:17 | BZFlag | I may have to hand carry all the ones that what insurance to the post office today. we'll see. |
| 17:02:54 | BZFlag | RobFlynn: not that I've heard yet. |
| 17:03:01 | Russ|werk | RobFlynn: I'm woking on it |
| 17:03:09 | CosmicPenguin | RobFlynn: kram is also working on it... |
| 17:03:12 | Russ|werk | RobFlynn: I hope to have good progress this weekend |
| 17:03:24 | RobFlynn | CosmicPenguin: Yah, I work with kram, saw him looking over the stuff earlier. |
| 17:03:28 | RobFlynn | Russ|werk: Cool, cool. :) |
| 17:03:43 | Russ|werk | RobFlynn: as well as get some gaim file transfer patches I've been sitting on off to eric |
| 17:03:47 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: Good deal.... I am very excited about his projects, I think they will bring in some good results..... |
| 17:04:36 | RobFlynn | Russ|werk: Hehe, cool. The file transfer stuff is a little wacky at times. :-) I actually have something re: FT in my todo list on sourceforge, heh. |
| 17:05:05 | badd00d | Russ: there's a nasty bug in Everybuddy's file transfer hack... EB_COMMAND SEND_FILE, when sent to someone with everybuddy, will crash it consistently. |
| 17:05:24 | RobFlynn | badd00d: I know this, too. I worked with the EB developers out in California. |
| 17:05:26 | Russ|werk | RobFlynn: I was working on icq support, but then my tuxscreen came in |
| 17:05:44 | RobFlynn | Russ|werk: Hehehe, I've got one that should be coming in soon. I've been playing with the ones we have here. :) |
| 17:05:47 | RobFlynn | Russ|werk: They're cool |
| 17:06:22 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: You up and around? |
| 17:08:18 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: yep |
| 17:08:38 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Didn't you have an X based virtual keyboard that you were going to bring over? |
| 17:08:45 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: yep |
| 17:08:55 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: you want the source ? |
| 17:09:00 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: If you please... :) |
| 17:10:33 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: you need to get it from handhelds.org cvs - apps/xkbd |
| 17:11:00 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Thank you kindly! |
| 17:11:09 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: check http://www.handhelds.org/sources.html |
| 17:11:46 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: Im rewriting it as we speak ... |
| 17:15:15 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Cool. i was thinking in the shower today that we really needed one.... moving from stylus to keyboard is somewhat annoying... |
| 17:18:01 | BZFlag | heard from another Shannon team member today. ;-) |
| 17:18:18 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: Nice... any new news? |
| 17:18:19 | BZFlag | is still hoping to get full schematics from one of them. |
| 17:18:40 | BZFlag | I sent him a list of questions. we'll see. |
| 17:19:15 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: Are they still under an NDA? |
| 17:20:36 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: yep, xkbd should work fine with the tuxscreen - just launch it with a large font ( -f switch ) |
| 17:21:07 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: First I gotta convert it.... :) |
| 17:21:44 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: But I think a few well placed #ifdefs will make everyone happy.... |
| 17:23:13 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: convert it to microwindows ? |
| 17:23:47 | Russ|werk | BZFlag: happen to figure out why it comes with two styluses (other than if you lose one) |
| 17:24:10 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Yeah... its just a matter of converting the X calls to Nano-X calls. Shouldn't be too bad... most of the time its a 1-1 match... |
| 17:27:03 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: hmmm, does Nano-X support XTEST like extension - thats how I send the actual key events to windows ? |
| 17:28:43 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: We have a GrInjectKeyboardEvent() call that will send a desired key to the desired window.... |
| 17:31:14 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: cool. hope my code isn't too painful for you ... |
| 17:31:44 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: I'm no C expert |
| 17:31:51 | mallum | is away: dinnertime |
| 17:32:32 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Not a problem. I'ts my experience that if anyone says that they are a C expert, they are usually lying... |
| 17:34:05 | AeroSpace | With the problems mention about finding a 3.3V PCMCIA network card that worked with the tuxscreen, I was wondering if there were any 802.11b wirless network cards that worked with it. |
| 17:46:57 | nelson | CosmicPenguin: I'm a C expert. |
| 17:48:06 | boodle | airconnect 5v :( |
| 17:48:22 | nelson | Aelhaz: My phone has 16MB RAM. |
| 17:48:41 | badd00d | lucky bugger. |
| 17:49:18 | CosmicPenguin | AeroSpace: Back in the day (2 weeks ago), I heard rumors that if you were willing to give up range, that the 802.11B cards would work with 3.3V. |
| 17:49:22 | AeroSpace | boodle: And how do you get a 5V card to work on a 3.3V system? |
| 17:49:40 | boodle | AeroSpace: You don't (or at least I don't ;) |
| 17:49:43 | nelson | BZFlag: you have a very tolerant wife. Tell her that for me. |
| 17:49:46 | AeroSpace | I see, I wonder what kind of range that would be. |
| 17:49:57 | mallum | is back (gone 00:18:03) |
| 17:50:10 | CosmicPenguin | AeroSpace: Not that I've tested that or not, but thats what everyone was saying. I ended getting a wired card for cheap, so I went with that.... |
| 17:50:16 | boodle | AeroSpace: I'll try it out once I get iwtools stuff accessible |
| 17:50:51 | boodle | AeroSpace: I'm using some noname 'soho' pcmcia card that apparently is 3.3v |
| 17:50:59 | badd00d | many of the 802.11B cards are 3.3v cards |
| 17:51:08 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: I think the orinoco's are too |
| 17:51:12 | badd00d | most of the prism based cards are 3.3v |
| 17:51:21 | badd00d | the orinoco's come in both 3.3 and 5 |
| 17:51:37 | badd00d | my aironet 342 is 3.3v |
| 17:51:46 | badd00d | the 352 is probably 5 |
| 17:51:50 | boodle | When wireless nic's say they have 'powersave' mode, do they throttle from 5v to 3.3v per chance? |
| 17:51:53 | CosmicPenguin | badd00d: If you get a chance, could you stick that on the wiki? i don't think its too clear as it reads now? |
| 17:52:49 | mallum | does anyone have an iwconfig binary for the tuxscreen ? |
| 17:53:48 | boodle | mallum: presumably the one from ipaq would work |
| 17:54:12 | CosmicPenguin | Just recompile it with uclibc... |
| 17:55:22 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: I tried and failed, I think the iwconfig source is quite nasty with kernel headers |
| 17:55:28 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Doh! |
| 17:56:05 | boodle | pivot-root to familiar distro and go from there? |
| 17:57:08 | kram | has returned. |
| 18:11:13 | GoRK | is away: (Branson, MO. Return on Monday) [BX-MsgLog Off] |
| 18:11:46 | BZFlag | woohoo! USPS got a clue and picked up all the packages! Now I can say "It's in the mail" ;-) |
| 18:11:46 | kram | is away - Not here right now, sorry... - Your msgs will be saved. |
| 18:20:27 | Aelhaz | nelson: 16 megs without the sodimm? |
| 18:52:17 | nelson | Aelhaz: Oh, sorry, no, 16M total. Did you mean a 16M sodimm? |
| 19:24:14 | Aelhaz | nelson: What I was talking about last night was that Shaggy has mentioned that a very small number of is2630's were manufactured with 16 megs on-board |
| 19:24:30 | Aelhaz | and could therefore be upgraded to a maximum of 48 megs |
| 19:24:35 | Aelhaz | with a 32 meg sodimm |
| 19:49:44 | nelson | Aelhaz: Ooohhhh, that would be cool. No, that doesn't describe my machine. |
| 20:19:00 | badd00d | ok.. update. my aironet 342 does run at 5v |
| 20:19:16 | badd00d | but my dlink 650w runs at 3.3v |
| 20:19:23 | badd00d | and it's the reference prism design |
| 20:19:37 | badd00d | all reference prism cards are likely the same |
| 20:20:22 | CosmicPenguin | badd00d: Did it work on your tuxscreen? |
| 20:20:39 | badd00d | haven't received mine yet... USPS just picked it up :) |
| 20:21:03 | CosmicPenguin | badd00d: IC. I have a prism here, i will try it on monday morning.... |
| 20:36:02 | Aelhaz | badd00d: what driver are you using with a prism2? |
| 20:54:00 | badd00d | wvlan_cs (orinoco_cs) |
| 20:57:30 | Aelhaz | *nod( |
| 20:57:31 | Aelhaz | * |
| 21:45:36 | kernelguy | I just heard a bunch of people from lineo got laid off |
| 21:47:52 | Aelhaz | Yup |
| 21:48:20 | kernelguy | hates it when others have his name... Damn kernel hackers |
| 21:49:11 | kernelguy | I read about it on linux devices |
| 21:49:11 | Aelhaz | corny nickname anyway |
| 21:50:14 | Aelhaz | Mostly sales |
| 21:50:23 | Aelhaz | and administrative |
| 21:50:24 | Aelhaz | some engineering |
| 21:50:42 | kernelguy | so, mostly the less important people to getting real work done eh? |
| 21:50:49 | BZFlag | Aelhaz: I thought shaggy said they had 32M on board? was it 16M? well at any rate none of the boards we have are like that. |
| 21:51:13 | BZFlag | should be possible to rework a phone to 32M on board and 32M on a sodimm. |
| 21:51:36 | kernelguy | thinks about getting one of the phones. He has looked at the wiki and has seen some cool stuff. |
| 21:53:13 | Aelhaz | kernelguy: Frankly, having survived three rounds so far, I'm not too keen on talking about it |
| 21:53:25 | badd00d | get one! or two, they're cheap! help the effort! |
| 21:54:00 | pattieja | BZFlag: any new word on the Audrey? |
| 21:54:18 | badd00d | i'm having a helluva time getting my login to wiki to work consistently. |
| 21:55:59 | Aelhaz | I'm surprised I didn't get any laughs with the "corny" remark . . . |
| 21:56:12 | Aelhaz | oh well |
| 21:56:21 | Aelhaz | I'm calling it a week |
| 21:57:12 | debianusr | Hey, Cosmic, is debian still sub standard? |
| 21:57:33 | CosmicPenguin | ?? |
| 21:58:10 | badd00d | ???! |
| 21:58:24 | debianusr | must be the wrong cosmic (flame war earlier) |
| 21:58:26 | BZFlag | badd00d: what's up with your wiki login? |
| 21:58:40 | badd00d | BZFlag: dunno. IanBlenke isn't taking the password. |
| 21:58:58 | BZFlag | pattieja: no time yet. just got the 100 phones shipped today. |
| 21:59:17 | pattieja | that's cool |
| 21:59:25 | CosmicPenguin | pattieja: You determine a possible bootloader cannidate? |
| 21:59:31 | pattieja | nope |
| 21:59:39 | badd00d | it worked once. |
| 21:59:40 | pattieja | thinking maybe RedBoot, but haven't looked into it yet |
| 22:00:55 | BZFlag | bootloader for what? |
| 22:01:42 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: Audrey.... |
| 22:02:08 | BZFlag | audrey is a geode right? so it's x86, not arm. grub would be my choice. |
| 22:02:54 | CosmicPenguin | It needs a blob like loader that you can use to play with memory and generally do all sorts of hackish things.... |
| 22:02:59 | badd00d | definitely grub |
| 22:04:09 | badd00d | or not. |
| 22:07:40 | CosmicPenguin | Its a moot point, since I don't have a Audrey |
| 22:10:03 | CosmicPenguin | But I am going to hack a ton on my TuxScreen this weekend, so it all works out |
| 22:12:08 | badd00d | don't think the ones shipped today will be in until early next week :( |
| 22:31:14 | badd00d | well hell |
| 22:31:30 | badd00d | there is absolutely no way to get networking support working with windowsxp in vmware gsx 1.0.2 |
| 22:32:24 | badd00d | so now I'm suck with 3.0beta1374 with VNC or some such nonsense |
| 22:34:27 | Aelhaz | I never saw any need nor had any desire to have anything newer than Win98 on any of my computers for anything |
| 22:34:48 | Aelhaz | I flat out don't understand why anyone wants or claims to need ME, 2k, or of all things XP |
| 22:35:15 | badd00d | i agree with you |
| 22:35:19 | badd00d | this is more of a support thang |
| 22:35:59 | Aelhaz | my closest brush with 2k was beta2 while i was at keylabs |
| 22:36:07 | Aelhaz | I had to install it to do one piddling little thing |
| 22:36:08 | badd00d | lucky bugger |
| 22:36:12 | Aelhaz | made my skin crawl |
| 22:37:18 | badd00d | 2000 made your skin crawl? you should see the disneyesque eerieness of XP |
| 22:44:13 | Aelhaz | badd00d: I've seen just one screen shot. It looked like a bad dream. |
| 22:44:48 | Aelhaz | So, in '98 they made menus grow in, and in 2k they made menus fade in, and gave the mouse cursor a shadow |
| 22:44:56 | Aelhaz | what'd they do in XP? |
| 22:45:55 | Aelhaz | first thing i did to the 2k box i had to work on was turn off the damn menu animation |
| 22:48:23 | mallum | I think XP is too soon. Alot of companies are still on NT |
| 22:58:35 | Aelhaz | We may see the great, byzantine-style, collapse of microsoft |
| 22:58:46 | Aelhaz | as the one positive thing to come out of the new new economy |
| 22:59:13 | Aelhaz | the only problem will be the inevitable swat-teams of license auditors |
| 22:59:35 | Aelhaz | descending on business parks to extort whatever money they can out of anyone running anything vaguely like windows |
| 23:00:40 | as_ | Haha. |
| 23:05:47 | Aelhaz | personally, I'd meet 'em with a shotgun . . . . |
| 23:06:29 | Aelhaz | or, maybe by then there won't be any actual windows systems in my house, and I can somehow find a way to waste a great deal of their time. |
| 23:06:47 | Aelhaz | takes great pleasure in being a tremendous waste of time and energy when people start jerking him around |
| 23:12:52 | sean | has never had any permenant windows systems in his house. |
