| 00:00:54 | LauraDY | the site is: www.securedy.com give it a look, send some news, you can also download many linux distro's from there |
| 00:09:14 | cory | heh |
| 00:09:43 | sean | are tehre fans / other stuff that moves in the phone? |
| 00:09:48 | sean | s/tehre/there/ |
| 00:25:24 | sammy | morning |
| 00:37:51 | hornet136 | I've got some questions bout tuxscreen, anyone alive in here? |
| 00:40:59 | Bala | nope.. |
| 00:41:28 | hornet136 | I guess not.. so do you have a tuxscreen Bala? |
| 00:42:40 | Bala | nope.. just saw the /. article :) im thinking about it though.. if i can convince the missus ... food or TuxScreen... is there a ?? :) |
| 00:43:09 | Russ | I'm here |
| 00:43:35 | sammy | hi Russ... |
| 00:43:38 | Russ | hey sammy |
| 00:43:39 | hornet136 | just seems theres alot on the web page.. the device simply sounds like hardware that with the use of a parallel cable we can erase the flash and put linux on it. |
| 00:43:59 | Russ | its a strongarm |
| 00:44:00 | hornet136 | I'm curious how much "software" there really is. |
| 00:44:22 | Russ | microwindows runs on it, debian over nfsroot works |
| 00:44:46 | Russ | apps like VOIP are still in the getting started stages |
| 00:45:03 | hornet136 | I'd like to be able to get a web browser, terminal and an ethernet via PCMCIA.. that way I could use it like a WISE terminal or something and just load apps off of my main linux server |
| 00:45:22 | Russ | thats working |
| 00:45:42 | hornet136 | so I assume it requires the JTAG to get the linux image loaded? |
| 00:45:43 | Russ | I don't know if the current web browser does what you want (ViewML) |
| 00:45:45 | Vito` | It's pretty small for a terminal like that, isn't it? |
| 00:45:50 | Russ | no jtag required |
| 00:45:55 | Russ | Vito`: its a computer |
| 00:46:28 | hornet136 | russ: so how do you load the image onto it? ethernet if you have a card? |
| 00:46:51 | Russ | the initial install of blob is done with inferno over the serial cable |
| 00:46:59 | Vito` | Russ... I mean, the screen is pretty small for active use as a even a general-purpose web-browsing terminal, isn't it? :) |
| 00:47:03 | boris | if you read the wiki it's all there |
| 00:47:05 | Russ | after that, blob does everything |
| 00:47:33 | Russ | Vito`: webbrowsing is not one of the bigger plans for it |
| 00:47:34 | hornet136 | ok then its done over serial and the jtag is only for recovery if ya screw it up.. |
| 00:47:39 | Russ | right- |
| 00:47:56 | hornet136 | sounds simple enough. ;) |
| 00:48:51 | matrix | it's all very straightforward with the information on the webpage |
| 00:48:59 | hornet136 | so its using viewml for web? do you know if anyone is looking into QT/Embedded and Konqurer? |
| 00:49:51 | Russ | most of us don't paticularly care for qt |
| 00:50:06 | Russ | but if qt on fb ends up as the best option, its what we will go with |
| 00:50:21 | as_ | Whats qt? |
| 00:50:43 | Russ | as_: the KDE widgeting stuff |
| 00:50:48 | boris | an opensource c++ application framework / widget set |
| 00:50:54 | as_ | Ahh. |
| 00:50:54 | hornet136 | makes sense. |
| 00:51:01 | boris | that the kde project use |
| 00:51:48 | Russ | the main barrier to QT is that C++ is still being worked into uclibc, but the tuxscreen is accelerating that integration |
| 00:52:02 | hornet136 | what kinds of things the the native inferno offer on the device? web? |
| 00:52:14 | boris | the problem with c++ is the overhead |
| 00:52:32 | Russ | hornet136: web, notes, email |
| 00:52:53 | as_ | The words 'grindingly slow' spring to mind for no aparent reason. |
| 00:53:05 | as_ | I hate C. C++ is worse. |
| 00:53:30 | hornet136 | russ: hmm ok.. so you know of a ethernet card that works with it? |
| 00:54:01 | Russ | yah |
| 00:54:09 | Russ | CIO10T |
| 00:54:23 | Russ | BZFlag got a bunch of them for $20, and I bought three off of him |
| 00:54:33 | Russ | its a CF card with a pcmcia sleeve |
| 00:54:43 | Russ | pretty much anything CF will work |
| 00:54:57 | Russ | pcmcia cards need to be 3.3V pccard |
| 00:55:17 | Russ | doing some soldering to make it work with 5V cards as well is possible |
| 00:55:27 | hornet136 | cool.. does he sell those with the tuxscreen? or will I have to find one elsewhere |
| 00:56:00 | Russ | I don't know if he's out or not |
| 00:56:03 | joev | C++ isn't necessarily "slow", but that's not a conversation for #tuxscreen :^) |
| 00:56:16 | Russ | I know it isn't necessarily slow |
| 00:56:26 | Russ | but it requires extra libs, and more loader logic |
| 00:56:38 | joev | no more loader logic than any other app. |
| 00:56:45 | Russ | yes it does |
| 00:56:50 | joev | how so? |
| 00:57:01 | Russ | ld-linux.so |
| 00:57:22 | joev | yeah, but you need that even for libm and friends |
| 00:57:39 | Russ | (and the assoctiated objects that link into the binary) |
| 00:58:01 | joev | you may need more libraries, but the loader logic is the same.. |
| 00:58:05 | Russ | its extra stuf added to ld-linux.so and associated objects |
| 01:00:09 | Russ | a C++ app doesn't link quite the same way, there is extra data assoctiated with objects |
| 01:00:36 | joev | hrm. |
| 01:01:28 | as2 | New ways to prtect the programmer from himself. |
| 01:01:31 | hornet136 | russ: do you know if the inferno will work with that ethernet card too? |
| 01:01:51 | Russ | not in its present state |
| 01:02:00 | Russ | you could get the inferno source for $500 and hack it |
| 01:02:30 | Russ | the only thing linux won't do when we are done (that inferno does) is be a 56k modem |
| 01:02:51 | joev | gotta run. |
| 01:02:52 | Russ | all the fun patents to do with v.90, v.34, etc |
| 01:04:05 | as2 | Thats unfortunate. |
| 01:04:30 | boris | surely someone could get thesource, and then write a binary kernel module? |
| 01:04:36 | as2 | Is that code not built into the modem DSP anyway? |
| 01:05:09 | hornet136 | hmmm no thanks on the inferno source :)... well if you guys get it that far then I'd call it good.. I personaly dont care much bout the modem |
| 01:05:10 | as2 | Sounds like distributing it wouldnt be legal. |
| 01:05:52 | hornet136 | if I have ethernet I'd just telnet to my other box and use its modem |
| 01:06:19 | boodle | Greetings.. has anyone taken a look at 3Com Audreys ? |
| 01:06:25 | as2 | Id have thought the 56k code would be in the DSP rather than in the inferno software itself, maybe something could be put together that wouldnt infringe patents. |
| 01:09:22 | Russ | as2: its software modem |
| 01:09:55 | as2 | Oh. Odd. |
| 01:10:19 | as2 | I thought the system had a modem DSP? |
| 01:11:40 | as2 | Was the system built before 56k techonlogy came on the market or? |
| 01:11:43 | Russ | its done through the ucb1300 |
| 01:11:58 | Russ | no, its just its cheaper hardware to make the CPU do the modem codecs |
| 01:12:16 | Russ | thats the way virtually all modems are done now |
| 01:12:31 | as2 | Umm. Virtually all modems where? |
| 01:13:24 | as2 | I'm used to seeing a lucent CODEC+ DSP + ROM/EEPROM combination. |
| 01:18:23 | Error403 | jessus, 75 orders :} |
| 01:20:41 | bworth | i know - can you believe it? i just hope there's one left by payday (monday) |
| 01:21:00 | Error403 | hehe |
| 01:21:05 | Error403 | its funny you mention payday |
| 01:21:12 | Error403 | since I have to wait for payday too |
| 01:21:18 | Error403 | but mine is Friday :) |
| 01:22:30 | cory | my payday is in like a month :( |
| 01:22:41 | Error403 | hah! no Tuxscreen for j00 |
| 01:22:46 | Error403 | get a credit card ;) |
| 01:23:01 | as2 | Does he accept credit cards? |
| 01:23:02 | Error403 | I wonder if Mr. BZFlag himself takes Visa |
| 01:23:04 | Error403 | :P |
| 01:23:23 | cory | I have a cc |
| 01:23:32 | cory | I'm getting a $280 check |
| 01:23:36 | cory | maybe I can get more out of my parents |
| 01:23:45 | Error403 | cory: that always works :) |
| 01:23:50 | cory | I want a base station more than I want a tuxscreen |
| 01:23:54 | Error403 | bribe the rents |
| 01:24:20 | cory | of course they just bought me half a gig of ram |
| 01:24:28 | Error403 | wonders if addon flash cards are availible (not nessisarily from BZFlag) |
| 01:24:40 | hornet136 | leave |
| 01:24:42 | Russ | Error403: you can do cc through paypal |
| 01:24:42 | hornet136 | oops |
| 01:25:04 | Russ | Error403: CF cards with sleeve work (pcmcia slots) |
| 01:25:06 | as2 | Mmmf. paypal, not had fun with them before. |
| 01:25:27 | Error403 | Russ: ahh yes, forgot about those |
| 01:26:11 | cory | hmmm |
| 01:26:19 | cory | screw math |
| 01:26:21 | cory | screw eecs |
| 01:28:08 | cory | wheee |
| 01:28:11 | cory | $160 wireless hub |
| 01:31:48 | BobBarker | hi |
| 01:31:53 | Morn | what the heck just happened... |
| 01:32:12 | BobBarker | Tim?\\ |
| 01:32:12 | cory | net split? |
| 01:37:38 | Aelhaz | cory: where? cheapest I've seen is about $180 |
| 01:38:36 | cory | it looks like a crappy AP tho |
| 01:38:40 | cory | www.sohoware.com |
| 01:38:50 | cory | you need doze to configure it, and I thought I heard some bad reviews of it |
| 01:39:27 | Aelhaz | I have a Linksys WAP11 that works reasonably well |
| 01:39:37 | cory | hmm |
| 01:39:43 | cory | can you attach an external antenna? |
| 01:40:30 | Aelhaz | Probably |
| 01:40:34 | cory | hmm |
| 01:40:37 | cory | I'll have to check bawug |
| 01:40:42 | Aelhaz | it has two small antennae on TNC connectors |
| 01:40:49 | cory | BNC? |
| 01:40:53 | Aelhaz | TNC |
| 01:40:55 | cory | or what is TNC? |
| 01:40:57 | BobBarker | TNC? |
| 01:40:59 | Aelhaz | like BNC but threaded |
| 01:41:01 | BobBarker | Tiny Navel COnne\\\ |
| 01:41:02 | cory | hrm |
| 01:41:09 | Aelhaz | pretty common in wireless |
| 01:41:23 | Russ | tiawanese naval connector? |
| 01:41:29 | cory | so I could attach a nice high gain antenna |
| 01:41:34 | Aelhaz | cory: or two |
| 01:41:58 | Aelhaz | I think I saw something on /. about using WAP11's for point to point links |
| 01:42:10 | Aelhaz | two directional antennae on it . . . . |
| 01:42:23 | cory | I want robotic directional antennae to track my laptop ;) |
| 01:42:32 | Aelhaz | heh |
| 01:42:54 | Aelhaz | 2.4ghz is a lousy spectrum for wireless data. Shame everything is going there. |
| 01:43:03 | as2 | Why lousey? |
| 01:43:06 | Aelhaz | 900mhz had less bandwidth but was far more reliable |
| 01:43:11 | cory | see that article about U-something on /.? |
| 01:43:22 | Aelhaz | as2: Any leafy green thing can block the signal |
| 01:43:35 | GoRK | there is a storm chaser here who i helped build a directional antenna tracker for 802.11 FHSS |
| 01:43:36 | as2 | Ahh. Line of sight. |
| 01:43:37 | Aelhaz | as2: interference from every microwave oven in the neighborhood |
| 01:43:43 | BobBarker | ya, done testing at work |
| 01:43:49 | BobBarker | leaf is about a wavelength |
| 01:43:50 | BobBarker | lol |
| 01:43:54 | GoRK | as he drives the van, it points at the closest access point of a local isp here |
| 01:44:05 | as2 | 900 was given to mobile phones here. |
| 01:44:13 | GoRK | this is FHSS btw not direct sequence |
| 01:44:14 | Aelhaz | cory: noticed it was there |
| 01:44:31 | Aelhaz | cory: I didn't look to see if it was designed as a bluetooth killer or as an 802.11b killer |
| 01:44:39 | cory | sounds like 802.11b killer |
| 01:44:53 | Aelhaz | cory: bluetooth yould be good to die at this point . . . . if ericsson doesn't open it up a bit |
| 01:45:04 | Aelhaz | ericsson is very stingy with the hardware licensing |
| 01:45:14 | Aelhaz | they won't talk to anyone who wants to use it as a pc periopheral bus |
| 01:45:23 | Aelhaz | peripheral bus even |
| 01:45:35 | Aelhaz | which is *precisely what I'd like to use it for |
| 01:45:52 | Aelhaz | they just want wireless headsets, and wireless delivery of advertisments to cell phones |
| 01:46:01 | Aelhaz | utter bullshit |
| 01:46:04 | BobBarker | just what we need |
| 01:46:07 | BobBarker | more ads =) |
| 01:46:11 | Aelhaz | BobBarker: No kidding |
| 01:46:25 | cory | heh |
| 01:46:32 | BobBarker | played with some tech at work, that is almost an 802.11b killer |
| 01:46:34 | cory | I should just get a prism2 card and screw getting an access point |
| 01:46:35 | BobBarker | cept it is 802.11 |
| 01:46:37 | BobBarker | heh |
| 01:46:45 | Aelhaz | their LITERAL concept is that when you walk by a vending machine, your cell phone will go "blip blip!" and a text message will say, "Hey! Want a soda?!" |
| 01:46:51 | BobBarker | hah |
| 01:47:03 | as2 | Oh dear. |
| 01:47:25 | as2 | And they want the technology to pay for it as well, so you press a button on your phone, and the machine dispenses a can. |
| 01:47:32 | cory | whoa, linux ethernet bridging |
| 01:47:34 | cory | kickass |
| 01:47:41 | BobBarker | anyone gotten a prism2 card to work on an arm board?? |
| 01:47:48 | Aelhaz | cory: ethernet bridging != wireless bridging |
| 01:48:01 | BobBarker | been trying to build the linux-wlan stuff with an arm compiler, but it hasnt worked very well =\ |
| 01:48:02 | cory | Aelhaz: http://194.241.248.126/Prism2/ |
| 01:48:05 | Aelhaz | cory: but the wlan_ng driver does have everything you need to turn a prism2 card into an access point |
| 01:48:52 | cory | my ibook2 in os 9 is an access point :) |
| 01:49:14 | cory | unfortunately, I want my ibook2 to be a client, in os x, not an access point :) |
| 01:49:39 | cory | I wonder if os 10.1's release will put something in the kernel to do software base station stuff |
| 01:50:09 | cory | if so.. isn't the airport card based on orinoco? so maybe orinoco cards would be able to do base station |
| 01:50:13 | cory | </speculation> |
| 01:50:55 | Aelhaz | well, the orinoco cards have the capability, but you have to load special firmware to them to do it |
| 01:50:56 | BobBarker | isnt the airport a lucent wavelan?? |
| 01:51:09 | cory | nods |
| 01:51:10 | Aelhaz | that's how the orinoco access points work |
| 01:51:19 | Aelhaz | it's just a box with a couple pcmcia slots |
| 01:51:28 | BobBarker | yea, and an arm |
| 01:51:38 | BobBarker | i suppose |
| 01:51:51 | cory | it'd be fun to do 802.11b w/ a tuxscreen |
| 01:52:09 | cory | can't really convince the rents to get an access point tho |
| 02:50:33 | edylie | hehe |
| 02:50:42 | edylie | how am i suppose to use the phone ? |
| 02:50:48 | edylie | can i take in inet ? |
| 02:50:56 | Russ | an inet? |
| 02:50:57 | GoRK | you'll need a phone line... |
| 02:51:00 | Bala | dial a number?? |
| 02:51:11 | edylie | heh |
| 02:51:17 | edylie | does it have sshd ? |
| 02:51:18 | edylie | shell ? |
| 02:51:19 | edylie | :)) |
| 02:51:53 | Bala | if you put it on... |
| 02:51:58 | Bala | i guess... |
| 02:52:26 | edylie | sounds really good |
| 02:52:29 | BZFlag | is here. ask away |
| 02:52:36 | edylie | it is selling at USD$99 right |
| 02:52:39 | edylie | I am in Singapore |
| 02:52:46 | GoRK | BZFlag: long day? |
| 02:53:05 | BZFlag | you bet. still packaging todays orders for tomorrow usps pickup. |
| 02:53:23 | Russ | BZFlag: what does inferno do when its done flashing blob? |
| 02:53:34 | GoRK | crazy man. can you imagine those dudes who do nothing but that all day long on ebay? |
| 02:53:51 | BZFlag | random cruft. best to type 'b' immediatly to force a reboot. |
| 02:54:02 | Russ | flash: id=1/49 (AMD Am29LV160BB), ss=20000 fs=400000 w=2 b=0-20000 f=5 |
| 02:54:06 | Russ | Flash write: fa0b3c,4180 -> 0-417f |
| 02:54:06 | Russ | flash: 0-7fff: erasing/writing... flash: erasing boot area! (0-7fff) |
| 02:54:06 | Russ | <9c?><terminal mode> |
| 02:54:06 | Russ | 819200T1 |
| 02:54:11 | edylie | What is the usage of the keyboard ? |
| 02:55:12 | BZFlag | GoRK: right now I have a tough time immagining it. I suppose if I had a postage scale/meter and a CC merchant account things would ne easier though. I could setup an https form that gets all the info and then just print it out as labels. |
| 02:55:21 | as_ | BZ, mind if I PM you? |
| 02:55:31 | BZFlag | oh for automation. ;-) |
| 02:55:36 | BZFlag | as_ shoot. |
| 02:55:53 | edylie | BZFlag; give me the URL for ordering |
| 02:57:10 | GoRK | BZFlag: UPS has a quick and dirty deal that lets you do most of that including downloading printable labels. You talk to it with XML. Very slick... but the frenzy will die in a few days anyway i imagine. |
| 02:58:20 | GoRK | BZFlag: still, it's admirable :) 5 of those bad boys are for me. I just hope i can maybe lend a hand with the DSP. I figured spending 500 bucks was the best way to get me motivated not just to make it a 500 desk decoration |
| 02:59:20 | edylie | BZFlag; I have found the link USD$99 |
| 02:59:49 | edylie | BZFlag; Do you mind change the power supply to asian one ? which is 230v one |
| 03:00:31 | BZFlag | edylie should read the topic: http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view//TimRiker |
| 03:00:34 | Russ | where are CosmicPenguin's images? |
| 03:00:53 | BZFlag | edylie: I have no other power supplies. what you see is what you get. |
| 03:00:58 | Endy | shudders |
| 03:01:05 | edylie | BZFlag; *nods* |
| 03:01:07 | Endy | I want to buy one, but the postage to Australia is a killer :) |
| 03:01:13 | Russ | wow, I have a sweet connection to tuxscreen.net |
| 03:01:18 | edylie | BZFlag; any idea how much would the shipping charges costs ? |
| 03:01:47 | BZFlag | edylie should read the topic: http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view//TimRiker <- postage calculator is here. |
| 03:02:13 | edylie | BZFlag; But that is domestic isn't it ? |
| 03:02:27 | Endy | edylie: As the man said, read the page :p |
| 03:02:33 | BZFlag | edylie: not the one labeled international, no. |
| 03:02:53 | Bala | if i f'd up the flash while screwing with it.. would it still operate as a phone?? |
| 03:02:54 | Endy | BZFlag: Think you'll still have some left by Saturday? :) |
| 03:03:21 | BZFlag | Bala: pulse dial with no speaker phone probably. |
| 03:03:31 | edylie | BZFlag; I am trying to make a MASS order for this things. I am contacting local Linux user group see if we could order it lets 100 pieces |
| 03:04:27 | Bala | hmmm.. i can put linoleum in the kitchen or buy 2 phones.. hmmm.. |
| 03:05:01 | BZFlag | edylie: I have 1 packs and 2 packs. there is no discount for large orders. shipping 2 is the cheapest it gets. Though I suppose we could arrange to ship a palette full of them for cheaper. |
| 03:05:30 | matrix | mmmmm... palettes of tech |
| 03:05:45 | BZFlag | Endy: see the topic. sold less than 10% today. I expect to have phones for months. |
| 03:06:04 | Endy | coolies :) |
| 03:06:12 | Endy | needs to wait for his paypal rego to go through :p |
| 03:11:58 | Endy | oh dear. |
| 03:12:05 | Endy | i think i knew edylie. |
| 03:12:06 | Endy | hrm. |
| 03:12:08 | Endy | shrugs :p |
| 03:16:26 | edylie | ewww shipping charges are USD$113 |
| 03:16:27 | edylie | *sigh* |
| 03:19:57 | Bala | plan a trip to the US.. almost cheaper |
| 03:24:04 | edylie | hmnmn |
| 03:24:07 | edylie | does it run X windows ? |
| 03:24:21 | Aelhaz | Well, maybe some other shipping method would be cheaper |
| 03:24:48 | edylie | Aelhaz; like ? |
| 03:25:00 | as_ | Economy surface mail. |
| 03:25:10 | as_ | Its what I plan to use. |
| 03:25:23 | as_ | 4-7 weeks though. |
| 03:25:32 | as_ | (to me in the UK). |
| 03:25:44 | edylie | it needs to use nfs mount to do the X |
| 03:25:55 | edylie | cant do X by itself |
| 03:26:28 | Aelhaz | edylie: Think if you know anyone who recieves packages from the US now and then, ask them |
| 03:26:58 | Aelhaz | Canadians tell me that USPS first class is actually the fastest way to get something across the canadian border, for instance |
| 03:27:56 | Aelhaz | most parts of europe, UPS works well, but it's nearly impossible to ship anything to russia via UPS |
| 03:28:11 | edylie | hehe |
| 03:28:17 | edylie | I am not in russia tho |
| 03:28:21 | Aelhaz | yeah |
| 03:28:24 | Aelhaz | where are you? |
| 03:28:34 | Bala | the mob takes it huh?? |
| 03:28:56 | Aelhaz | Bala: Well, you pay about $300 in special handling fees, and then they won't guarantee delivery |
| 03:28:57 | Bala | canada |
| 03:29:06 | Aelhaz | Bala: and they end up sending it back anyway |
| 03:29:27 | Bala | yikes |
| 03:29:33 | Aelhaz | singapore . . . . . hmm |
| 03:29:55 | edylie | Aelhaz; yeah singapore |
| 03:31:26 | Aelhaz | edylie: well, anyway, see if you know anyone who regularly gets packages from the US, and ask them what method works best. I can't speak for tim, but he might be willing to use a different method, *shrug* |
| 03:31:59 | Aelhaz | Bala: I hear that when you ship something to canada via UPS, UPS asks the recipient for bullshit taxes . . . |
| 03:32:03 | BZFlag | willing, yes. eager? no. ;-) |
| 03:32:38 | Bala | well we do have to pay taxes on everything here :) |
| 03:32:53 | edylie | heh |
| 03:33:05 | Aelhaz | Bala: all my canadian friends, whenever i ship them something, tell me to put on the customs tag that it's a gift worth $20, and send it USPS first class, not priority, not express |
| 03:33:25 | Aelhaz | GST, that's it . . . |
| 03:33:35 | Aelhaz | UPS shows up with a bill for GST on the delivery |
| 03:33:56 | Bala | yep |
| 03:34:06 | Bala | :) |
| 03:34:06 | Bala | fun fun |
| 03:34:11 | Aelhaz | for big stuff I just ship it to a friend in detroit who's about 5 minutes from windsor . . . |
| 03:34:26 | as_ | UK is worse for tax :/ |
| 03:34:46 | as_ | Tax typically is about 50% of the stated value. |
| 03:36:34 | as_ | m8 of mine has never been hit for tax on imports. Ive been unlucky. |
| 03:37:01 | Aelhaz | I think i heard that RPS is the best for russia, they work with independent contractors in russia who have already greased the mob, etc, and have a vested interest in getting the package delivered |
| 03:37:02 | Russ | hmm...the TS on my 3501 works |
| 03:37:08 | as_ | Gifts and secondhand makes no difference. |
| 03:38:41 | Aelhaz | oh yeah, serial number |
| 03:38:56 | edylie | I want a Tuxscreen! |
| 03:39:06 | edylie | It would be very cool in my bedroom |
| 03:39:20 | Aelhaz | mine is |
| 03:39:24 | Aelhaz | #2510 |
| 03:39:28 | Aelhaz | the one I've tested, I mean |
| 03:39:32 | Aelhaz | and works |
| 03:39:39 | edylie | Aelhaz; you got one oredi ? |
| 03:39:41 | Aelhaz | now to update the wiki . . |
| 03:39:50 | Aelhaz | edylie: I've had two of these since before linux worked on them |
| 03:40:02 | edylie | Aelhaz; cool. X runs natively ? |
| 03:40:25 | Aelhaz | edylie: Yeah, I ran Familiar (handhelds.org ipaq distribution) on it |
| 03:40:35 | Aelhaz | needs work, but it functioned |
| 03:40:43 | edylie | cool |
| 03:40:57 | edylie | now i need to find enough people to cover the shipping charges |
| 03:41:45 | as_ | The flash deprotecting instructions sound a little paranoid, how many of these devices have been fried doing that? |
| 03:42:33 | Aelhaz | there we go |
| 03:42:44 | Aelhaz | as_: At least one |
| 03:42:53 | as_ | Haha. Ok. |
| 03:42:56 | Russ | as_: I just unprotected one |
| 03:43:14 | Aelhaz | I know one of Ken Isle's phones got toasted |
| 03:43:18 | Russ | as_: I used a two pin jumper block, soldered the ps on one side, and the tux pads on the other |
| 03:43:20 | Aelhaz | but it was operator error |
| 03:44:01 | as_ | It sounds doable if you dont try to do it fast. |
| 03:44:32 | Aelhaz | as_: with the jig that's pictured on the wiki, you sorta need three hands, but it either works or doesn't |
| 03:44:36 | as_ | Is the boot portion unprotected by this method? |
| 03:45:01 | Aelhaz | yeah |
| 03:45:22 | as_ | So potentially the device could be fried accidentally in software? |
| 03:45:23 | Aelhaz | when 12v is applied, all flash is unprotected. While it's unprotected, you can reset the write protect bits |
| 03:45:33 | BZFlag | edylie: the charges will go up as the number shipped goes up. you are aware of that yes? |
| 03:45:41 | as_ | Ahh, I see. |
| 03:45:52 | edylie | BZFlag; yeah ... i am looking for the best way to ship it to .sg |
| 03:46:04 | edylie | 113 + 99 that might be too much for me. |
| 03:46:06 | edylie | *sigh* |
| 03:46:19 | BZFlag | ok. I'm open to idea. |
| 03:46:22 | BZFlag | er ideas |
| 03:46:41 | as_ | Fire it from a cannon toward his general direction. |
| 03:46:56 | Aelhaz | strap it to the back of a wayward sea turtle |
| 03:47:24 | Bala | put it a cooler and ship it as a donor organ?? |
| 03:47:30 | as_ | Hahaha. |
| 03:48:43 | as_ | Do a james bond, get a pig heart in an insulated box and hide the tuxscreens in the ice. |
| 03:49:55 | edylie | BZFlag; hmnmmn is it USA right or Canada ? |
| 03:50:59 | jacques | wow, lots of ppl here |
| 03:53:22 | BZFlag | is trying to squeeze one into his keyboard doifhvz,dxuv gukhmdukexxgr,mzxcegh nope it doesn't fit. |
| 03:53:22 | as_ | My LPT port is JTAG unfriendly. |
| 03:53:46 | BZFlag | as_: the dongles want bi-directional. not ecp not ecc etc. |
| 03:54:15 | BZFlag | edylie: origin is usa, yes. |
| 03:54:23 | as_ | That isnt the problem, the signals bounce around the fing place. Took me a long time to find out why some things wernt working. |
| 03:55:05 | as_ | Posative going edge has half a microsecond of rail to rail ring. |
| 03:55:21 | edylie | *hungry* |
| 03:55:23 | as_ | Thays with 60cm of terminated cable. |
| 03:55:26 | Russ | BZFlag: does this look familiar to you: |
| 03:55:31 | Russ | # ifconfig eth0 up |
| 03:55:42 | Russ | Trying to free free IRQ48 |
| 03:56:24 | matrix | awesome |
| 04:05:24 | as2 | Ok, 6am here. Nite all. |
| 04:06:04 | Aelhaz | g'nite |
| 04:06:15 | BZFlag | Russ: no. ifconfig eth0 up works for me. |
| 04:13:07 | Russ | probably a kernel diff= |
| 04:31:23 | Russ | bz |
| 04:31:24 | Russ | er |
| 04:31:32 | Russ | BZFlag: so my serial number 3501 works |
| 05:00:00 | GoRK | has anyone done any work yet trying to reverse engineer the inferno code that talks to the DSP? |
| 05:27:10 | edylie | re |
| 05:43:22 | BZFlag | Russ: hmm.. so much for that theory? |
| 05:54:38 | matrix | has anyone who's TS failed tried putting inferno back on the tux? |
| 05:55:13 | matrix | to check if the hardware died along the way? |
| 05:56:02 | BZFlag | I have. and Inferno still works. I put Linux back and it still did not work. |
| 05:56:16 | matrix | that is so odd |
| 05:56:41 | matrix | (btw, i only ask because the wiki isn't clear if inferno worked, before, after, or both :p ) |
| 05:56:46 | BZFlag | we've just got to be missing something that needs initializing. we'll find it. |
| 05:56:53 | Russ | BZFlag: what were you saying about the sharp giveaway |
| 05:56:59 | Russ | you shoulda sent me that tuxscreen |
| 05:57:12 | BZFlag | the broken one? |
| 05:57:15 | Russ | yah |
| 05:57:23 | BZFlag | Hmmm. I might still. |
| 05:57:26 | BZFlag | ;-) |
| 05:59:26 | matrix | oh, and i've given up on swap space on the tux, works just as well over nfs as on a flashcard, which was disappointing |
| 06:00:03 | Russ | matrix: swap over nbd |
| 06:01:36 | matrix | i thought i tried that, but din't remember |
| 06:03:23 | matrix | trying nbd now |
| 06:11:00 | Russ | BZFlag: sharp giveaway? |
| 06:12:10 | BZFlag | Russ: Nothing is for certian. Sharp is considering cheap or free Zaurus units for a limited number of key developers. |
| 06:13:34 | Russ | a PDA would be nice to have |
| 06:18:42 | BZFlag | Russ: think you'd have as much time to spend on that as on this? Assume they provide a unit, with serial cable, docs and possibly jtag information. |
| 06:20:59 | Russ | depends on when they send it out |
| 06:21:08 | BZFlag | heh. ;-) |
| 06:24:16 | BZFlag | well, caught up again on email. time to FlashUnlock some phones. |
| 06:26:00 | MichaelJ | So a priest, a rabbi, and a minister walk into a bar... |
| 06:26:06 | MichaelJ | and the bartender says... |
| 06:26:13 | MichaelJ | What is this, some kind of joke? |
| 06:27:20 | GoRK | matrix: you might try a PC card that's RAM not flash ... they made some of those a long time ago |
| 06:27:54 | MichaelJ | Can anybody comment on how well the thing works just as a -phone-? |
| 06:28:29 | GoRK | a phone, what are you crazy man? |
| 06:29:04 | MichaelJ | No, overbooked! I have about 17 projects underway, and there is a good |
| 06:29:19 | MichaelJ | chance I might never get around to cracking the lid on the thing. |
| 06:29:35 | BZFlag | MichaelJ: under the existing Inferno the phone is ok. volume control, good speaker phone, callerid etc. |
| 06:29:58 | BZFlag | under Linux it's just a pulse dial handset at present. |
| 06:30:16 | GoRK | BZFlag: can you talk on it under linux yet? |
| 06:30:18 | MichaelJ | Hey, all in good time. |
| 06:30:40 | GoRK | BZFlag: or is it just a dead line? |
| 06:30:45 | BZFlag | GoRK: no. it powers up in that state. |
| 06:30:54 | matrix | gork- i only have 1.5mb sram cards |
| 06:31:02 | BZFlag | oh, on it. yes. I thought you said "to it" |
| 06:31:05 | matrix | gork- not really worth it |
| 06:31:26 | GoRK | matrix: hmm i used to have a 32mb one somewhere. it added 32mb ram to a toshiba laptop. i think it's in a box in my garage somewhere |
| 06:31:28 | BZFlag | under Linux it rings and you can dial pulse. |
| 06:31:59 | BZFlag | in fact I've been answering calls on my debian Tux all day from folks that can't read the wiki. |
| 06:32:10 | GoRK | BZFlag: good then it will be perfect :) I plan to send dial instructions over serial and have them generated on the "server" side |
| 06:32:32 | GoRK | can you grab events from the keypad in software or is that a dsp function? |
| 06:32:35 | BZFlag | that will work, once we can talk to the dsp. |
| 06:33:13 | BZFlag | it's a dsp function, but the events can be seen in software once the dsp code is in place. |
| 06:33:31 | BZFlag | under inferno you can type digits using the num pad for example. |
| 06:33:37 | BZFlag | not yet under linux though. |
| 06:34:14 | MichaelJ | What does inferno use the serial port for? Any idea what the marketed intention was? |
| 06:35:40 | GoRK | well no the plan is to use a bank of quicknet internet phonejack's in a server to control the analog lines in response to events sent down serial by an application running on the LCD interface |
| 06:35:40 | GoRK | so you can pick up the handset and you get dialtone and can dial from the screen by talking directly to the switch via serial |
| 06:35:46 | GoRK | or punch the voicemail button and get patched into voicemail |
| 06:36:17 | GoRK | it's a good place for me to start anyway, because once DSP support happens then I can just switch the onscreen keypad to DTMF control etc |
| 06:37:13 | GoRK | i wont have to have the phone issuing DTMF or even pulse events on the line ever |
| 06:37:27 | GoRK | cept for gratuitous use in-call |
| 06:39:51 | Russ | /whois GoRK |
| 06:40:04 | GoRK | Come to think of it, I think the quicknet phonejack can do dtmf generation anyway |
| 06:40:12 | MichaelJ | On a non-tech vein... the order page states, in bold no less, No Warranty. |
| 06:40:23 | MichaelJ | What's the liklihood of DOA? |
| 06:40:32 | GoRK | I am likely to break my phone :) |
| 06:40:53 | Russ | MichaelJ: do shipping insurance |
| 06:41:11 | GoRK | i am super psyched now to hear the phone is not totally dead in linux |
| 06:41:13 | Russ | GoRK: one of the reasons I have two |
| 06:41:18 | BZFlag | MichaelJ: 1 reported out of the 50 or so shipped total. cworth identified a bad io board, and I replaced it. |
| 06:41:23 | MichaelJ | Well sure, insured, but what state are they in prior to shipping? |
| 06:41:42 | Russ | GoRK: I'm going to start on the DSP now, I still don't know anything more about the touchscreen |
| 06:41:46 | GoRK | yeah i ordered 5 :) hehehe if i fry two then i still have 3 extensions to test between |
| 06:41:46 | MichaelJ | New? Removed from service? |
| 06:42:05 | GoRK | Russ: i dont have a phone yet, but boy when i get one -- im not gonna sleep for days |
| 06:42:49 | GoRK | I am moving into a new office space in two weeks and It'd be very cool if i have a semi-functioning pbx on these things by the time I have to move in |
| 06:42:55 | BZFlag | MichaelJ: 1 arrived doa. it's been fixed. If you get a doa unit, we will work something out. |
| 06:43:19 | MichaelJ | BZ - Great, that'll work. |
| 06:43:57 | BZFlag | I've opened and run FlashUnlock on quite a few now and they all were fine. |
| 06:44:12 | GoRK | have any of you played with anything other than microwindows that fits entirely in flash - e.g. GTKfb or MicroGUI ? |
| 06:44:18 | BZFlag | I did find one today that has a broken sodimm socket. I'm not shipping that one. |
| 06:45:11 | Russ | GoRK: such work is definately encouraged |
| 06:47:35 | MichaelJ | Any comments on ARM in assembly? I'm coming from 68k, where things are most pleasant. |
| 06:48:35 | BZFlag | MichaelJ: arm is nicer that x86, bu then that's not saying much. |
| 06:51:33 | BZFlag | if you pay the $25 for the FlashUnlock, I at least open them up and plug them in before shipping. |
| 06:51:48 | BZFlag | says as he does yet another phone... |
| 06:53:06 | GoRK | but then we have no excuse to crack them open :) |
| 06:53:19 | MichaelJ | Good point. And better point! |
| 06:54:58 | MichaelJ | This may be a stupid question (but hey, it's only IRC), but is JTAG "just JTAG"? |
| 06:55:09 | MichaelJ | Or are there different "flavors"? |
| 06:55:12 | matrix | if i didn't have a tuxscreen when i found out about the project, i'd pay the extra to get it unlocked, the idea of making my fone a doorstop was quite intimidating |
| 06:55:37 | MichaelJ | I'm accustomed to BDM, have a JTAG widget, and the guy in the next cube has some |
| 06:56:05 | MichaelJ | JTAG programming software, but I don't know if it is "tuned" for a particular device. |
| 06:56:19 | GoRK | one time I dropped a screw onto a powered motherboard and it arc'd all over the place but it still worked! |
| 06:56:49 | MichaelJ | GoRK, I'm going to have nightmares on that one. |
| 06:57:03 | GoRK | I built an embedded machine for a railroad contractor one time. |
| 06:57:11 | GoRK | That's the only embedded work ive ever done |
| 06:57:35 | GoRK | it was freaky |
| 06:58:34 | matrix | gork- once when i was still in college, a friend was replacing a harddrive (of all brands, a quantum fireball) and accidentally made contact with the power switch pins while the machine was on |
| 06:58:47 | MichaelJ | You mean it was the -last- embeded work you ever did! |
| 06:59:06 | GoRK | i dont have my f0n's yet, man |
| 06:59:24 | GoRK | that sounds like a good name for my project: f0n |
| 07:00:06 | GoRK | project f0n.. at least it's got a name i can make some artwork out of |
| 07:00:44 | GoRK | a friend of mine one time actually cut through the big red wire that carries about 10kV to the top of a monitor tube. He got thrown across the room; yeah. dumbass |
| 07:03:33 | GoRK | --- back on topic |
| 07:04:15 | MichaelJ | It's 4am in the midwest. If I could put together a sentient thought, I wouldn't have the energy to type it. |
| 07:04:20 | GoRK | is the dsp device (barring support) capable of doing something like supplying dialtone to an externally connected device without being connected to PSTN? |
| 07:04:44 | MichaelJ | I'm going to drop a C-not BZ's way and head to a state of unconscious. |
| 07:04:46 | GoRK | im gathering that the two ports on the back provide a passthrough connector of sorts? |
| 07:04:58 | MichaelJ | Nitenol. |
| 07:11:37 | BZFlag | GoRK: under Inferno I hear tones even when there is no cable connected. |
| 07:12:13 | BZFlag | GoRK: we think the 2 ports both go to the DSP. They are seperable, but normally connected. |
| 07:13:19 | GoRK | hmm so maybe it will then be possible to use the phone itself in the future as a VoIP gateway for an attached analog phone (cordless!) or a fax (Fax over IP) |
| 07:13:54 | BZFlag | in theory, yes. I'd like to see that. |
| 07:14:05 | GoRK | so would i!!! |
| 07:15:36 | BZFlag | P/m \n P/u 0 \n P/m \n lather rinse repeat. |
| 07:16:17 | GoRK | how many total do you have to unlock? |
| 07:16:43 | BZFlag | lost count... |
| 07:18:04 | Russ | just do P/u 0 |
| 07:18:08 | Russ | it does them all |
| 07:18:30 | BZFlag | the 12v is not a great connection, so I do the P/m to test. |
| 07:18:49 | Russ | I solder a jumper to the pads |
| 07:19:05 | BZFlag | like I wanna do that umteen times. |
| 07:19:07 | BZFlag | ;-) |
| 07:20:04 | GoRK | i want to know what the 8 suspiciously arranged pads on my cell phone's motherboard are for |
| 07:20:41 | Russ | programming? |
| 07:21:13 | BZFlag | perhaps open hardware will follow open source software. |
| 07:21:20 | GoRK | maybe. i cant find anything about it |
| 07:21:53 | GoRK | there are holes through the aluminum shielding so that you can access them without taking the phone apart |
| 07:25:12 | GoRK | Compa has the Itsy -- it's pretty much open source hardware |
| 07:26:07 | BZFlag | yep, and the LART as well. I don't know of any mainstream products though. |
| 07:26:16 | GoRK | there is also the kiwi project which is similar although much more garage oriented |
| 07:26:21 | GoRK | kiwi.sourceforge.net |
| 07:27:08 | GoRK | TivoNET is open hardware |
| 07:27:17 | GoRK | I built two of those |
| 07:27:31 | GoRK | although i did not etch my own boards for that one |
| 07:28:45 | GoRK | it's when the script kiddiez figure out how to pirate hardware that we'll really be in trouble though HaRdWaReZ!@ |
| 07:30:49 | Russ | if hardware production becomes very cheap |
| 07:31:46 | GoRK | or everone gets a home chip-fab and a CNC milling machine. heh |
| 07:54:49 | GoRK | has returned. (dead, 15h 9m 31s) |
| 07:54:49 | GoRK | is back from the dead. Gone 15 hrs 9 min 31 secs |
| 07:54:52 | GoRK | is away: (zZzZzZzzzzzzzz... ) [BX-MsgLog Off] |
| 07:54:52 | GoRK | is idle, zZzZzZzzzzzzzz... [bX(l/on p/on)] |
| 07:55:05 | GoRK | whoops need to fix that |
| 07:55:34 | GoRK | anyway later folks... BZFlag: keep it up man; you're a trooper |
| 07:57:20 | BZFlag | thanx. will do. ;-) |
| 08:14:44 | GoRK | hmm that lucent paper re: VoIP seems rather depressing in that they had to change the DSP hardware and software to make it capture packet audio :( oh well im really going to sleep now |
| 08:19:54 | Perlboy | tell me, does the tuxscreen device (for $99) work in Australia? |
| 08:20:02 | GoRK | btw it seems that "diffusion ROM" refers to a process by which the chip is manufactured. I'm guessing it has something to do with the diffusion of impurities into/out of the silicon substrate through a membrane that has the bit pattern on it. There are some patents on it you can probably look up |
| 08:20:12 | GoRK | ouch. aren't your phone systems DC down there? |
| 08:21:40 | Perlboy | Erm, dunno. :-/ |
| 08:21:45 | Perlboy | I think so 70V iirc |
| 08:23:02 | GoRK | if so they probably wont work without an adaptor of some sort. I'd look for something taht laptop-toting business travelers from the US might use to plug in their modems in .AU ... a company called "Port" makes stuff like that |
| 08:26:00 | GoRK | http://www.port.com/accessories/comm_specific.asp?sku=CMP0010 |
| 08:27:08 | GoRK | probably overkill for just one adaptor but they might sell them individually as well -- or someone might |
| 08:37:01 | Perlboy | yessum that is what I thought |
| 08:52:28 | travis_143cw | anyone alive this morning (4:53 CST)? |
| 08:56:17 | BZFlag | is awake, but he should not be. |
| 08:57:42 | travis|home | lol |
| 08:57:46 | travis|home | i know what you mean |
| 08:58:39 | travis|home | my Tool concert is tonight! floor tickets baby! |
| 08:59:38 | Perlboy | only 8:10pm here ;-) |
| 09:02:56 | travis|home | i will be on when i get to work now |
| 09:41:02 | BZFlag | must sleep. cya in a few hours. |
| 10:10:09 | travis_143cw | is tired |
| 10:10:58 | travis|work | wonders what time his retarded home computer dropped off the earth... |
| 10:17:12 | ronin | is away: Zzz. |
| 22:01:53 | kram | cosmicpenguin:??? |
| 22:01:55 | BZFlag | mallum: /me wonders why e3 and not just busybox vi |
| 22:02:55 | mallum | BZFlag: maybe he wants emacs style key bindings ... |
| 22:03:39 | BZFlag | mallum: I suppose, if you must. ;-) |
| 22:03:53 | kram | i cant' backup my inferno with the c F!all D!inferno.backup is it |
| 22:03:54 | kram | still okay to try to load blob? |
| 22:04:03 | mallum | wonders when busybox will include an emacs clone ;) |
| 22:04:15 | mallum | kram: are you root ? |
| 22:04:27 | kram | okay |
| 22:04:43 | mallum | kram: IIRC, the inferno emu won't write files as root |
| 22:07:46 | mallum | BZFlag: does tuxscreen.net offer a referal insentive scheme ;) ? |
| 22:12:49 | jacques | BZFlag: thanks! |
| 22:18:47 | kram | to make development easier |
| 22:20:54 | BZFlag | mallum: propose one. ;-) |
| 22:23:22 | jacques | BZFlag: how are the bundles going? |
| 22:25:47 | mallum | BZFlag: heh, Not really bothered ;) - there pretty f**king cheap anyways - I've been plugging on the greater London lug, main python list and at Perl mongers tonight |
| 22:26:18 | as2 | BZ, did you get my email, if its not time critical, then there isnt a problem, but if I'm to have the money sent friday, then I need the info now. |
| 22:30:56 | sean | are there any moving parts in these things? (fans?) |
| 22:31:11 | as2 | I doubt it. |
| 22:31:40 | as2 | StrongARMs dissupate so little heat, they probably dont even have a heatsink. |
| 22:31:40 | kram | is away - Not here right now, sorry... - Your msgs will be saved. |
| 22:31:47 | sean | nice |
| 22:32:38 | jacques | that's true |
| 22:36:58 | as2 | mallum your in the UK :] |
| 22:37:56 | sean | is it fast enough to play mp3s? |
| 22:38:17 | as2 | Yes. But there may not be applications for it. |
| 22:38:28 | as2 | I'm unsure what sound hardware it has. |
| 22:38:50 | mallum | as2: unfortunatly yes ;( |
| 22:39:04 | sean | it doesn't have any afaik.. but it has pcmcia.. and there are pcmcia usb cards that work in linux, and there are usb audio devices that work in linux. |
| 22:39:25 | as2 | mallum, I'm about 3 hours from london. |
| 22:40:28 | jacques | sean: the ipaq (same proc and speed) plays mp3s great |
| 22:40:41 | sean | has a bocavision jnc205 thin client destined for his car for mp3/ogg playback.. but its got fans.. and no sweet touch screen. |
| 22:40:48 | sean | jacques ah, very nice |
| 22:41:01 | jacques | it does have sound hardware |
| 22:41:08 | sean | it does? nice |
| 22:41:15 | jacques | have you looked at the site? |
| 22:41:19 | as2 | I think the frauhoffer estimate is 15mips to play an mp3. That is probably reduced quality. |
| 22:41:21 | jacques | the hardware specs? |
| 22:41:34 | sean | i did briefly from work |
| 22:41:36 | mallum | as2: where abouts are you ? up norf ? |
| 22:41:39 | as2 | StrongARM should have no trouble at all. |
| 22:41:42 | sean | goes back to look again. |
| 22:41:50 | as2 | Midlands, Nothamptonshire. |
| 22:41:56 | jacques | an ipaq can play a 256kb/s at about 24% cpu utilization |
| 22:42:30 | mallum | as2: I have been to northhaptom b4 I think |
| 22:42:35 | jacques | this is using madplay, which is an integer mode mp3 player |
| 22:42:47 | jacques | since the strongarm has no FPU |
| 22:42:55 | Morn | Northampton, MA? |
| 22:43:06 | as2 | Northampton, England ;] |
| 22:43:36 | Morn | Ok, we have a Northampton in MA too, it's a nice place |
| 22:43:39 | as2 | ARM dont bilieve in FPUs in chip, though there is an ARM7 core with one on I think. |
| 22:44:10 | as2 | Early chips had the option of attaching a FPU chip. |
| 22:44:29 | as2 | I have an ARM3 machine with a socket for an FPU. |
| 22:45:44 | jacques | yep, I dunno about XScale tho |
| 23:20:18 | BZFlag | andersee: hey. headed home to do more invoices. ;-) |
| 23:38:15 | Russ | as_: yah, it was similar to the board Aelhaz showed you |
| 23:44:10 | as_ | Ahh, cool cool. |
| 23:45:01 | as_ | I will probably try some sort of Serial JTAG interface first. |
| 23:45:29 | as_ | I need ISA for another application, what sort of bandwith were you getting on the 8MHz ISA? |
| 23:48:04 | as_ | ie can you read a byte/word in 1 ISA clock? |
| 23:49:19 | Russ | no |
| 23:49:25 | Russ | thats not how jtag works |
| 23:49:36 | as_ | Not what I mean. |
| 23:49:45 | Russ | jtag is a boundry scan interface, so you are sending command bits |
| 23:49:55 | Russ | max speed is on the sa11x0 is 20Mhz |
| 23:50:16 | Russ | the fastest and simpliest interface would be the GPIO's of another sa11x0 |
| 23:50:25 | Russ | they could be timed very close to 20MHz |
| 23:50:31 | as_ | I know JTAG, and I know roughly how it works, 3 pport commends to send one bit. |
| 23:50:41 | as_ | Neglecting JTAG, how fast is ISA? |
| 23:51:01 | Russ | so to read one word, you need go through about 200 cycles |
| 23:51:26 | Russ | so thats what, 100kHz at the word level |
| 23:51:28 | as_ | If I have a stream of data, how fast could I send it through ISA to a computer using PIO, any idea? |
| 23:51:40 | Russ | you need address setup, so maybe 50kHz |
| 23:52:06 | as_ | Assuming its 8bit or 16bit. |
| 23:52:27 | Russ | when writing to flash, its write, read, read, write, read, read, so you are down to about 10kHz max |
| 23:52:43 | as_ | Hmm, Russ, are you lagged. |
| 23:52:45 | Russ | on the ISA interface, I get about 5kB/s flashing |
| 23:52:53 | Russ | as_: 32bit |
| 23:53:08 | Russ | so my isa interface is probably doing 5Mhz |
| 23:53:25 | as_ | Ahh. Thats what I wanted to know. |
| 23:53:33 | as_ | I have a bandwith critical problem. |
| 23:53:42 | Russ | a sa11x0 could conceivable do about 4 times that |
| 23:53:57 | as_ | Not sure what a sa11x0 is. |
| 23:54:11 | Russ | sa11x0, the sa1110 or the sa1100, the strongarm |
| 23:54:53 | as_ | Oh. Doh. |
| 23:55:38 | as_ | I'm thinking cross perposes becuase the CPU I want to use is an ST20. |
| 23:56:00 | Russ | ah, the ST20 will be a whole other story |
| 23:56:07 | as_ | Sadly, it is. |
| 23:56:22 | Russ | also, you can buy specific hardware from TI for jtag programming |
| 23:56:33 | as_ | How much is it, any idea? |
| 23:56:43 | as_ | And it it LPT port or serial? |
| 23:57:09 | Russ | its parallel, you send commands to it in parallel, and it carries them out |
| 23:57:33 | Russ | (not parallel like a LPT port, but parallel like hooks up to your data bus) |
| 23:57:35 | as_ | Not much use to me then curently. |
| 23:57:56 | as_ | Umm. |
| 23:58:05 | as_ | I think I see. |
| 23:58:21 | Russ | look them up on the TI site |
| 23:58:27 | Russ | they'll send you one |
| 23:58:43 | as_ | If its LPT port based, I cant use it. |
| 23:58:48 | Russ | I wanted some AHC logic, so I requested a few samples of the 74AHC541 |
| 23:59:00 | Russ | they only send me one |
| 23:59:23 | Russ | but it arrived next day in a box about 18x6x4 |