| 00:07:31 | Sammy | hi all... |
| 00:10:34 | Russ | hello |
| 00:56:21 | Russ | "We plan to purchase Mirosoft Windows Media 7 Embedded Product Adaptation Kit (WMEPAK)to develop our WMA Streaming application based on ARM (Cirrus Logic EP7312) and Linux (BlueCat). Other than WMEPAK, do you know if we need any other tools to do the above?" |
| 00:56:24 | Russ | ummm.... |
| 00:56:27 | Russ | is that a joke? |
| 00:56:50 | Russ | asking for bluecat *and* microsoft support on arm-linux? |
| 00:57:02 | Russ | (the mailing list) |
| 03:06:56 | Aelhaz | tell 'em they'll need the big support contract, 'cause they are obviously lacking a clue, and nobody will help them |
| 03:07:19 | Russ | right, it sounds like a joke |
| 03:07:41 | Russ | any search on bluecat will tell you they don't support the linux community, and thus vice versa |
| 03:07:49 | Russ | I don't even need to mention MS |
| 03:08:56 | Aelhaz | could be a joke |
| 03:09:06 | Aelhaz | it's a metaphorical joke if it's not a literal one |
| 13:30:11 | nikos | is away: Errands |
| 14:12:54 | nikos | is back |
| 14:30:10 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: Did you order your tuxscreen yet?? :) |
| 14:31:07 | ctr | nup |
| 14:31:11 | ctr | need to get cc bill trhough |
| 14:31:19 | ctr | so i can unlock pay pal |
| 14:31:20 | CosmicPenguin | Ahhh..... |
| 14:31:23 | ctr | and then i'll sort it :) |
| 14:31:31 | ctr | check |
| 14:31:37 | ctr | http://www.darkrock.co.uk |
| 14:31:40 | ctr | tell me what ya think of the design |
| 14:34:06 | Russ | kde? |
| 14:34:45 | ctr | eh># |
| 15:39:05 | Aelhaz | Mornin, CTR |
| 15:40:05 | ctr | hey Aelhaz |
| 15:41:01 | Aelhaz | ordering your phone today? |
| 15:41:15 | dec_ | hey |
| 15:41:51 | ctr | nah |
| 15:41:56 | ctr | waiting for cc bill to come trhough |
| 15:42:01 | ctr | so i can unlock my cc card |
| 15:43:32 | ctr | (on paypal) |
| 15:43:38 | Aelhaz | ah |
| 15:43:49 | Aelhaz | still holding onto this CIO10T |
| 15:43:58 | ctr | cheers |
| 15:52:15 | CosmicPenguin | So... any news, or did everyone take a well deserved weekend off??? |
| 15:56:07 | Aelhaz | didn't do anything with my tux over the weekend |
| 15:59:31 | Aelhaz | fought with a motorola board all last week, wanted a break from hacking |
| 16:00:52 | nikos | I pretty much took it easy too. But then I do most weekends. ;) Studied up on Xlib some that's about it. |
| 16:01:16 | Aelhaz | some motorola setups are enough to make a man wish he went into construction instead |
| 16:15:22 | andersee | hey man. Have a good weekend? |
| 17:19:54 | boodle | BZFlag: Heya, are you 'here' ? |
| 17:52:21 | BZFlag | is headed to the PO then to work. |
| 18:48:55 | BZFlag | shipped 11 phones today. man, was that a fun wait at the PO. |
| 18:49:20 | nikos | BZFlag: Congratulations, I guess. |
| 18:49:48 | BZFlag | nikos: thanx. ;-) |
| 18:50:03 | | boodle was last seen on #familiar 1 hours, 29 minutes and 5 seconds ago, saying: <private message> [Tue Sep 4 18:20:58 2001] |
| 18:50:03 | BZFlag | ibot: seen boodle |
| 18:56:14 | matrix | i patched 2.4.7 for nfsswap, unfortunately it drives the load up way high and makes the system pretty much unhappy after a while |
| 18:56:39 | Aelhaz | swapping over nfs would be like that anyway, wouldn't it? |
| 18:57:12 | matrix | aelhaz- only in the real world, i believe |
| 18:58:37 | matrix | it was definately worth testing |
| 19:00:12 | Aelhaz | *nod* |
| 19:00:28 | Aelhaz | how is nfsswap different from using a swap file that just happens to be on nfs? |
| 19:01:50 | matrix | the kernel didn't like a swap file on an nfs mount |
| 19:02:41 | matrix | it was fine with a swapfile on a fs image over nfs, but that didn't work to well |
| 19:03:52 | nikos | Standard swap over NFS is near useless as the kernel doesn't save enough ram for NFS to work in high memory situations. Does NFSSWAP attempt to address that? |
| 19:04:03 | nikos | s/high/low/ |
| 19:04:22 | BZFlag | what about swap on nbd ? |
| 19:04:31 | nikos | BZFlag: I was told it had the same issue. |
| 19:04:45 | matrix | http://zeus.instmath.rwth-aachen.de/~heine/nfs-swap/ |
| 19:05:08 | BZFlag | hmm... I thought the ndb had caching code in it just for that purpose. I have not tested it in a while though. |
| 19:05:19 | matrix | nbd is going to suffer the same problems as swapping over nfs |
| 19:05:29 | nikos | BZFlag: It's been many many months since I looked, maybe something has changed. |
| 19:06:29 | nikos | matrix: That's interesting, I would like to hear if you have success as that has always been an issue with the skiffcluster. |
| 19:06:55 | Aelhaz | I think trying to use swap on a network device is a pretty precarious proposition anyhow |
| 19:07:54 | nikos | Aelhaz: On some platforms you have no other choice. The skiffs have no internal storage capability. |
| 19:09:15 | Aelhaz | nikos: You have the choice of not using swap |
| 19:09:44 | BZFlag | heh. |
| 19:09:59 | BZFlag | or getting a solder station and adding ram. ;-) |
| 19:10:15 | matrix | i've had a lot of trouble this weekend running out of ram |
| 19:10:53 | matrix | of course, i seem to have a lot of trouble in general, but that's beside the point |
| 19:28:14 | bmidgley | hey |
| 19:28:37 | Aelhaz | hey |
| 19:29:41 | bmidgley | do i need a null modem or a straight through to connect to a pc? |
| 19:30:36 | Aelhaz | null modem |
| 19:30:47 | Aelhaz | only tx, rx, and ground are connected tho |
| 19:31:09 | bmidgley | i'll dig around and see what i've got :) |
| 19:31:48 | bmidgley | i think this usb/serial adapter i have will get me halfway there though |
| 19:31:57 | bmidgley | (powerbook, no serial ports) |
| 19:32:54 | Aelhaz | *nod* |
| 19:54:23 | CosmicPenguin | Anyone out there have any favorite USB sniffers for Windoze? |
| 19:58:36 | ronin | BZFlag: What'd you use for your 12v power supply? |
| 19:59:12 | cworthAWAY | ronin: I for one found a 12V wall-wart that I had lying around. |
| 20:00:40 | ronin | nod, that'll work :P |
| 20:01:30 | ronin | pokes around the junk bin for a 12v wall-wart. |
| 20:03:16 | ronin | neat, paydirt. |
| 20:07:47 | BZFlag | Aelhaz: actually I think there are more pins connected, but we are not using them yet. so tx/rx/gnd is all you need, but not all that are there. ;-) |
| 20:09:20 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: I know on the sa1110, the controll lines don't really exist. You can implement them with gpio pins if you like, but it's a hack. |
| 20:09:47 | BZFlag | I use a harness with 8 AA batteries in it. It's pictured on the wiki: http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view//FlashUnlock |
| 20:10:03 | BZFlag | Aelhaz: yep. |
| 20:10:07 | Aelhaz | the sa1100 might be different |
| 20:10:14 | BZFlag | nope, same. |
| 20:10:31 | Aelhaz | *nod* |
| 20:11:13 | andersee | Anybody make any progress over the weekend? |
| 20:12:12 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Nope... had a "hack" free weekend.... |
| 20:12:46 | andersee | I got a bit done on the jffs2 tools, but nothing directly on the phones... |
| 20:13:25 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Plus, I've got a new toy: http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=PL10011 |
| 20:14:11 | ronin | proceeds to remove his mister sodimm. |
| 20:15:30 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: I wonder how much functionality lives on the CD, not in Homer. Probably like 99%... |
| 20:16:38 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I'm firing up the USB sniffer right now.... |
| 20:17:31 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: windoz needs ltrace in a bad way. Would help reverse engineering tons. |
| 20:18:30 | Aelhaz | CosmicPenguin: How, er, articulated is it? I mean, how much freedom of motion does homer have? |
| 20:20:19 | CosmicPenguin | AlHaz: Looks pretty good. It looks like his whole torso can move (probably not 360 degrees, but still)... The head can nod and the arms can move, how much I'm not sure... |
| 20:20:34 | Aelhaz | *nod* |
| 20:20:45 | Aelhaz | CosmicPenguin: you'd expect it to be able to do at least as much as a furbie . . . |
| 20:22:56 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, it looks like the motion is handled by a series of .dpal files - Windoze reports it as a "Dotpal Sound and Motion File" |
| 20:23:30 | CosmicPenguin | Sorry, don't mean to bother everyone..... |
| 20:23:51 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: presumably a set of raw audio sequences and joint set points. |
| 20:24:23 | Aelhaz | CosmicPenguin: Be interesting if it's built like a teddy ruxpin |
| 20:24:52 | Aelhaz | CosmicPenguin: the TR motion is based entirely on sound. A friend of mine rebuilt one as a speakerphone |
| 20:25:46 | Aelhaz | said it was awfully hard to keep a straight face while using it, and it always confused people when his daughters would wander into the room and say "daddy, why are you talking to the bear?" |
| 20:27:48 | CosmicPenguin | AlHaz: The header sez RIFF... |
| 20:29:43 | CosmicPenguin | It must just transfer the file to the device and "Bob's your uncle" |
| 20:30:49 | andersee | i.e. movements are keyed to certain magic frequencies... |
| 20:31:45 | Aelhaz | andersee: right, but since TR was only ment to "read" stories, in the TR they're all keyed to vocal tones |
| 20:32:34 | andersee | Would be nice if the magic frequencies were outside the human audio response frequencies... |
| 20:32:59 | Aelhaz | andersee: maybe they can be . . . |
| 20:33:13 | andersee | Wonder also on the required amplitude. |
| 20:33:25 | Aelhaz | CosmicPenguin: shove in some other riff wav where the .dpal file is, and see what it does |
| 20:33:33 | andersee | Not my project though.... :) |
| 20:33:51 | andersee | needs to get back to work |
| 20:34:57 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I will try that.... I want to get some idea of how the windoze driver talks to the homer...... |
| 20:36:03 | andersee | Well, sounds like it is just slamming down audio data... |
| 20:36:27 | andersee | It seems to be treating it as a USB audio device... |
| 20:50:44 | ronin | neat. |
| 20:51:04 | ronin | One of my tuxscreens is now a paperweight :P |
| 20:53:47 | blzbubba | doh. what happened? |
| 20:54:01 | blzbubba | blob problem, i assume? |
| 20:56:00 | ronin | nope, I tried unlocking the flash, and it just ate it. |
| 20:56:28 | ronin | followed everything step by step, now it now worky :P |
| 20:56:44 | CosmicPenguin | ronin: What was the last thing you saw? |
| 20:56:50 | ronin | the screen is getting power etc, but it just wont display. |
| 20:57:16 | ronin | CosmicPenguin: Well, not much I could see, the tuxscreen was upsidedown when we were connecting the pwoer supply. |
| 20:57:24 | ronin | when I flipped it, dark screen. |
| 20:57:29 | matrix | did you install blob? |
| 20:57:42 | CosmicPenguin | ronin: Were you using the inferno emulator? |
| 20:57:44 | ronin | matrix: No, it just ate it before I could install the blob. |
| 20:58:10 | ronin | CosmicPenguin: No, I'm going to feel lame if I should have been. |
| 20:58:38 | CosmicPenguin | Which flash method were you using? |
| 20:59:02 | ronin | exactly as the howto explained it, just P/u 0 |
| 20:59:10 | ronin | I was just trying to unlock the flash. |
| 21:00:09 | CosmicPenguin | ronin: Sorry... :) The inferno emulator is the thing you are typing P/u into... :) |
| 21:00:17 | ronin | oh Im neat like that. |
| 21:00:30 | ronin | Jtag here I come :) |
| 21:00:32 | CosmicPenguin | ronin: Does it still respond? |
| 21:00:42 | ronin | nah, no response whatsoever. it be toast. |
| 21:01:33 | andersee | Did you put the ram back in? |
| 21:01:48 | andersee | Then power cycle it? |
| 21:04:15 | Aelhaz | if you applied 12v to the wrong lines, it might be toast. |
| 21:04:16 | ronin | yep, it's dead. |
| 21:04:30 | ronin | Aelhaz: Didn't do that. |
| 21:04:35 | Aelhaz | hmm |
| 21:04:40 | Aelhaz | wanna buy a jtag dongle? |
| 21:04:49 | ronin | That'd work. |
| 21:05:18 | Aelhaz | I'll send you my unused dongle, cable, header, etc for $30 |
| 21:05:28 | Aelhaz | plus shipping |
| 21:06:16 | Aelhaz | cable is exactly like the one pictured on the wiki, bought it from mark oberg |
| 21:06:21 | ronin | I could deal with that. |
| 21:07:14 | Aelhaz | OK, I accept paypal - alhaz@xmission.com |
| 21:07:19 | Aelhaz | where do you live? |
| 21:07:23 | ronin | CA |
| 21:07:34 | Aelhaz | *nod* I could send it out USPS priority tomorrow |
| 21:07:39 | Aelhaz | c/it/them |
| 21:08:23 | Aelhaz | Oh wait, CA as in Canada - well, you pick the shipping method |
| 21:08:27 | ronin | California |
| 21:08:33 | Aelhaz | oh, ok |
| 21:08:36 | Aelhaz | nm |
| 21:09:10 | Aelhaz | Lemme know. I bought 'em from mark thinking I'd need them, and unless i really screw up i won't. Especially since there are so many floating around lineo. |
| 21:09:44 | a7r | hey.. |
| 21:10:19 | a7r | ronin: so what's the scoop? |
| 21:11:24 | Aelhaz | USPS priority would be $3.40, iirc |
| 21:11:30 | BZFlag | ronin: you had it in infernoremote to type the commands right? |
| 21:11:43 | ronin | BZFlag: No somehow I totally skipped over that line. |
| 21:11:52 | BZFlag | I suspect it's booting into the debugger as the comment states. |
| 21:12:24 | BZFlag | hook it up to a inferno remote system and type 'b' for boot should wake it back up. |
| 21:12:31 | a7r | Aelhaz: it looks like I'm going to be bankrolling the JTAG dongle purchase.. what was the total price? |
| 21:12:32 | ronin | hm, well if that works I'll be stoked. |
| 21:12:48 | BZFlag | did you see anything when you were typing the P/u 0 or were you working blind? |
| 21:12:54 | ronin | Working blind. |
| 21:13:10 | BZFlag | did you even look at it for the P/m ? |
| 21:13:11 | a7r | BZFlag: re.. |
| 21:13:32 | BZFlag | nods to a7r |
| 21:13:40 | ronin | BZFlag: Well, when I flipped it over it had black screen. |
| 21:14:01 | BZFlag | hmm... you sure you got 12v to the right pins? |
| 21:15:28 | ronin | BZFlag: Yep. |
| 21:15:36 | BZFlag | Aelhaz: you shipping a cable too? I have a few connectors left IIRC. Though I'm installing on in boodle's bad-blob phone soon. |
| 21:16:18 | ronin | I'm just hanging when trying to connect to the tuxscreen. |
| 21:17:09 | BZFlag | ronin: remove power, flip it back over, disconnect the 12v... then try attaching power again and watch for the backlight, display and red message light. tell me what happens to each. |
| 21:17:31 | BZFlag | "explain connect to the tuxscreen" |
| 21:17:47 | BZFlag | er explain: "connect to the tuxscreen" |
| 21:18:08 | BZFlag | you start inferno and run the rdp command and nothing happens? |
| 21:18:10 | ronin | BZFlag: using infernoremote, it just hangs at sending reset |
| 21:18:17 | ronin | yeah. |
| 21:18:28 | BZFlag | power cycle the phone while you're waiting. |
| 21:19:04 | BZFlag | watch bl, msg, and display. |
| 21:19:30 | ronin | the backlight is up, no love from the message light |
| 21:19:57 | BZFlag | no brief flash from the light and nothing on the display? |
| 21:20:25 | ronin | nope |
| 21:21:14 | BZFlag | does not sound good. =( |
| 21:21:16 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Woo-hoo! The dotpal ini file lists the vendor id and the product id.... :) I'm half way there.... |
| 21:21:54 | ronin | Could it be because I just used a 12v wall-wart? |
| 21:22:21 | BZFlag | I doubt it. others have used wall warts and been ok. |
| 21:22:37 | Aelhaz | unless its AC instead of DC maybe |
| 21:22:42 | BZFlag | could be that the polarity was reversed, I have not tried (nor would I suggest) doing that. |
| 21:22:45 | ronin | No it's dc. |
| 21:23:07 | ronin | So eve if it were booting into debug it'd flash the message light? |
| 21:23:08 | Aelhaz | just asking the simple questions. |
| 21:23:10 | ronin | even. |
| 21:23:11 | andersee | ronin: does the wall wart have a picture on it showing what if the center is +/-? |
| 21:23:40 | BZFlag | ronin: the msg light should flash once, very briefly when the the debugger loads |
| 21:23:42 | andersee | sortof looks like a birdseye |
| 21:23:48 | ronin | yeah, from what the supply says I was using the correct wires. |
| 21:24:05 | Aelhaz | usually -(*+ |
| 21:24:18 | ronin | Yeah, I was using the correct ones. |
| 21:24:24 | Aelhaz | *nod* |
| 21:24:46 | ronin | I mean, I guess maybe I slipped slightly and it connected the two, but I don't think I did that. |
| 21:25:14 | BZFlag | connecting the two would be bad for your wall wart but should no damage the phone. |
| 21:25:22 | ronin | ok, well funky |
| 21:25:47 | BZFlag | reversing the polarity might very well damage the phone. |
| 21:25:57 | ronin | I don't think I did that. |
| 21:26:16 | BZFlag | anyone else near you that could look at it? |
| 21:26:29 | Aelhaz | I'd test that theory with a meter, if i had a meter on hand |
| 21:26:46 | ronin | Not really. |
| 21:26:56 | Aelhaz | Ever since i hooked up a wallwart that had the white stripe on the - instead of the + . . . |
| 21:27:07 | BZFlag | if you pay both way postage to here I'll look at it, but no gaurantee that I can do anything. |
| 21:27:14 | Aelhaz | (I didn't blow out what I was working on, but i was surprised i didn't) |
| 21:27:26 | ronin | BZFlag: That'd be great. |
| 21:27:41 | ronin | If it's not too much trouble that is. |
| 21:28:39 | BZFlag | ronin: the address is on the wiki. no promises. ship it here, and I'll see what I find and then you can paypal return postage or just order another. (perhaps with the $25 FlashUnlock this time ;-/ |
| 21:29:10 | BZFlag | boodle's is on the way. I may get his today. |
| 21:29:22 | ronin | I'm still kicking myself, I totally didn't see 'Connect up to the TuxScreen with the inferno software on the PC' in the howto, just like, blocked out that line. |
| 21:29:49 | BZFlag | I'll make that more clear on the wiki page. |
| 21:30:04 | ronin | BZFlag: Well it's clear, I just was spacing or somthing. |
| 21:30:05 | BZFlag | it just helps to see some response so you know what's happening. |
| 21:30:30 | ronin | nod. ok, I'll send this thing your way. |
| 21:30:47 | Aelhaz | That reminds me. I let the magic smoke out of the $5 DMM i got from Harbor Freight, and i need to buy something vaguely like a hammer. Anyone remember how late HF is open? |
| 21:31:22 | BZFlag | adds a line to the top of http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view/Main/FlashUnlock |
| 21:31:33 | a7r | ronin: so you're going to send it back? |
| 21:31:47 | ronin | a7r: Yeah. |
| 21:31:54 | a7r | ronin: I'll bring my DMM up when I'm there, so we can test your wart. |
| 21:32:02 | ronin | k, thanks. |
| 21:32:27 | BZFlag | a7r: you headed to ronin's? Should we wait till you take a look as well? |
| 21:33:51 | a7r | BZFlag: Yeah, I'll be over there in a couple hours.. |
| 21:34:36 | BZFlag | Well take a look. sometimes a second set of eyes helps a lot. |
| 21:34:44 | a7r | nod. |
| 21:34:52 | BZFlag | I should be around, holler if I can help. |
| 21:34:52 | Aelhaz | ok, good, they close at six. |
| 21:35:03 | BZFlag | ronin: and you are always welcome to ship it. |
| 21:40:37 | BZFlag | ronin: and you are always welcome to ship it. |
| 21:51:40 | ronin | BZFlag: Thanks man. |
| 22:06:46 | CosmicPenguin | This homer is easily one of the neatest things I have ever seen.... |
| 22:12:22 | Russ | a homer? |
| 22:12:32 | Aelhaz | I'm a simpsons fan and all, but i'm not sure how I'd feel about having dancin' homer standing next to my monitor . . . . |
| 22:12:54 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=PL10011 |
| 22:13:56 | Russ | I have a lain that dances to my xmms music |
| 22:14:04 | Russ | "SOLD OUT!" |
| 22:14:21 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: I ordered this thing on December 14, and it just got here today.... :) |
| 22:14:27 | Russ | oh geez |
| 22:14:38 | Russ | you musta been like, what the hell is this thing? |
| 22:14:59 | Russ | now you just need to write the company for specs |
| 22:15:03 | Russ | get it working with linux |
| 22:15:13 | Russ | class |
| 22:15:52 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: It uses RIFF files for the sound and motion. I have a Windoze machine with a USB sniffer, and I'm just seeing what it does..... |
| 22:22:25 | matrix | interestingly enough, i've found playing with the pcmcia timings doesn't help much. but having a flash card in slot 0 seems to help |
| 22:25:20 | geers | linux on the phone is hot, but how about the ohphone on linux?? |
| 22:36:23 | Aelhaz | ohphone? |
| 22:36:27 | Aelhaz | goin home |
| 23:35:45 | Russ | matrix: what about having it in when you power it up |