irclog2html for tuxscreen on 2001.08.31

irclog2html for tuxscreen on 2001.08.31 00:21:39 Sammy hi , all 01:21:20 edwardamOffline is away: I'm busy 01:47:28 zelphi linux on your phone? that's hot 04:40:53 BZFlag hmm... /me got his working ts phone into the same non-working state. hard power reset fixed it. 04:46:29 matrix how'd that happen? 04:47:21 matrix i missed the 'getting hosed' part 04:58:07 BZFlag not able to duplicate yet after power cycle. 05:07:20 Russ BZFlag: preliminary paramater blocks are about done 05:08:31 Russ BZFlag: how about a tag with a gzipped fb image? 05:09:25 Russ Loading blob from flash . done 05:09:25 Russ Loading kernel from flash .... done 05:09:25 Russ Autoboot in progress, press any key to stop . 05:09:25 Russ Starting kernel ... 05:09:29 Russ fast boot :) 05:09:40 Russ ramdisk no # default is yes 05:09:40 Russ bootdelay 1 # default is 10 05:09:41 Russ cmdline console=ttySA0,9600 console=tty1 root=/dev/mtdblock2 init=/linuxrc 05:09:41 Russ baud 9600, 115k2 # these are the defaults 05:25:36 BZFlag now I did it. I mentioned the TuxScreen on Slashdot. let's see what happens. 05:25:46 BZFlag http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/08/30/166246&mode=flat 05:26:27 Russ good think I ordered yesterday, 05:26:37 Russ paramater block stuff is in CVS 05:26:54 BZFlag Russ: will it change anything to add noinitrd to the kernel command line? I actually turn off initrd on my kernels. 05:27:12 BZFlag yep, yours shipped today 2 + 3 nics. 05:27:12 Russ the option don't effect eachother 05:28:00 BZFlag yeah, I realize. I'm just wondering if the kernel will even try for a ramdisk if there is not one in the parameter block. 05:28:22 Russ if it isn't loaded, then the kernel will never find the signiture 05:28:23 BZFlag and also if blob does not put it in the param block if it's set to off. 05:28:25 Russ and won't use it 05:28:40 Russ its mainly to save the time of loading it 05:28:58 BZFlag nice. then the only one to worry about is setting the param right in blob. nice. 05:29:11 Russ whatever /. link you gave me is not right... 05:29:52 Russ the commit emails should be coming across any second 05:31:05 BZFlag http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/08/30/166246&mode=flat 05:31:33 Russ thats the same link 05:31:49 BZFlag hmm... it's just a comment on the sony discontinued eVilla. I didn't want to get swamped, just testing the water. 05:33:00 BZFlag I tested and release 2.0.4, I should have left it up there yesterday, no code changes happened. ah well. 05:33:16 Russ I can't find the comment 05:34:13 BZFlag http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=21110&cid=2238009 05:34:42 Russ don't know how far that will get you 05:35:19 BZFlag I'm just hoping a) not to get flamed, and b) not to get swamped. I think I'm safe. 05:35:41 BZFlag grins 05:36:54 BZFlag is sitting here watching xscreensaver run on his Shannon. ;-) 05:37:04 BZFlag radar is up now. 05:39:21 Russ where is your splash screen file? 05:40:44 BZFlag the Lineo one? or the old TuxScreen one? 05:40:50 Russ whichever 05:41:04 Russ whatever works with the tuxscreen blob 05:41:59 BZFlag http://TuxScreen.net/download/tuxsplash.jpg 05:42:37 Russ no, I mean, the file which, if I flash it to the right sector, it will display as a splash screen 05:43:06 BZFlag that's the one that got flashed with the old TuxScreen blob 05:43:21 BZFlag I did not port that code as I think it belongs in the kernel instead 05:43:27 Russ a jpeg? 05:43:44 BZFlag the flash utility unpacked it. 05:44:01 BZFlag also in tuxscreen cvs jflash 05:44:18 BZFlag though I think it wants a .bmp and I had to convert it with xv 05:44:38 BZFlag that file was named .bmp but was really a jpg so I renamed it. 05:44:45 Russ I'm trying to test what the size of some simple gzip'd images would be 05:44:53 BZFlag what format image do you want? 05:45:14 Russ I want to be able to convert an image to whatever raw format it would be in 05:46:09 BZFlag there will be 768 palette bytes followed by 640x480 image data bytes. 05:46:12 Russ do I just pull bmp_to_flash? 05:46:55 BZFlag to add to blob? naw, I'd add a normal image file handler. 05:47:22 Russ ? 05:47:33 BZFlag converting now... 05:49:16 307968 05:49:16 BZFlag ibot: 640 * 480 + 768 05:49:38 BZFlag cool uncompressed 8 bit png is 309120 bytes. 05:50:41 BZFlag gzip -9 yields 94603 bytes 05:52:14 Russ hmm.... 05:52:51 Russ lemme get bmp_to_flash working and try some different images 05:53:45 BZFlag uncompressed png is basically a raw image dump. 06:01:04 BZFlag simple image palette reduction yields an image of 41314 bytes 06:01:39 Russ that fits in the paramater block 06:02:12 BZFlag still a gzip -9 uncompressed png 06:03:25 Russ we will have access to deflate 06:08:57 BZFlag down to 41003 06:09:59 BZFlag http://TuxScreen.net/download/tuxsplash-new.png.gz 06:10:18 BZFlag It would be smaller if it had never been a jpg and gotten fuzzy. 06:10:25 Russ something that says BLOB! in big white letters in 1.8k 06:10:41 BZFlag yeah 2 color images compress real well. 06:11:03 BZFlag you saving in uncompresses png? 06:11:32 Russ saving in 640x480x8 bmp 06:11:39 Russ then bmp_to_splash 06:11:43 Russ then gzip -9 06:12:37 BZFlag your not planning on that format as the final are you? 06:12:48 Russ why wouldn't it be? 06:13:08 BZFlag cause then you'd have to explain to every tom dick and harry how to create one. 06:13:26 Russ this is just a toy for now 06:13:36 BZFlag better to add an uncompressed png handler. it's roughly the same contents. 06:14:27 Russ ? 06:14:34 Russ I don't understand png... 06:14:53 Russ would seem more sensible if inflate is already in blob 06:14:57 BZFlag hmm... want me to get you source someplace then? or docs? 06:15:09 BZFlag yes. that why I say "uncompressed" png 06:15:11 Russ just to deflate the contents of what shoud be in the framebuffer, store it as a paramater block 06:15:23 Russ and then inflate it in blob 06:15:39 BZFlag exactly. and a uncompressed png is a header, then palette, then the raw image. 06:16:07 Russ to bmp_to_splash is bmp2png + cruft? 06:16:11 BZFlag same as what you have now, but with a header so that most any app viewer will be able to make/view one including web browsers. 06:16:33 BZFlag no. uncompressed png is ram image + cruft 06:17:16 Russ right 06:34:45 BZFlag Russ: your images are exactly the raw size right? 06:34:52 307968 06:34:52 BZFlag ibot: 640 * 480 + 768 06:37:51 BZFlag http://www.libpng.org/pub/png/spec/PNG-Structure.html has basic file format info. Should be cake to make a simple loader that just barfs on anything it does not know. 06:40:27 BZFlag basically verify IHDR contents, load palette from PLTE and image from IDAT. hadling checksums would be nice, but not real important. 06:43:12 ctr BZFlag: whats this for? 06:43:26 BZFlag blob splash screen. 06:47:12 BZFlag Russ: so PNG would add like 128 bytes of overhead is all. and the bonus is that many apps can be used to create/display the images. 06:47:49 Russ the mkparamblock can strip it anyway 06:51:44 BZFlag hmmm remember folks will want to edit params in /dev/mtd1 06:51:59 BZFlag hehe, /me has an evil idea.... 06:52:20 BZFlag param block has a 4 byte id for each tag? 06:55:51 BZFlag PNG image compression is "deflate/inflate 06:55:51 BZFlag compression with a sliding window of at most 32768 bytes" probably compatible with what we have now. 06:56:13 BZFlag so the entire parameter block could be stored as a PNG image, even if there is no image. ;-) 06:56:34 BZFlag then you can xv /dev/mtd1 and see the image. ;-) 06:59:24 ctr hahaa 06:59:25 ctr cool 06:59:40 ctr do you have to flash that area? 07:00:17 ctr because you could do a 07:00:29 ctr ln -s /dev/mtd1 /dev/logo 07:00:35 ctr so people could do 07:00:45 ctr cat foo.png > /dev/logo 07:00:56 ctr but maybe i have got my wires crossed 07:03:09 BZFlag cat foo.png > /dev/mtd1 would work, but would loose all the blob settings. 07:03:38 ctr hmmm 07:03:53 BZFlag it would reset to blob defaults. 07:04:44 BZFlag so you'd need a tool that would copy all the existing sections from /dev/mtd1 and replace the palette and data tags with the contents of the new image and then put the new image in there. 07:05:10 BZFlag the win is that png libs and docs exist all over the place. 07:05:57 ctr yep 07:05:59 BZFlag the danger is that once people discover that's the format used, I suspect many will cat foo.png > /dev/mtd1 anyway. 07:06:01 ctr png is a nice format 07:06:11 ctr uhm 07:06:12 ctr well 07:06:17 ctr with regards to that 07:06:26 ctr what blob settings are there? 07:06:35 ctr and if you reboot the machine 07:06:41 ctr will it not boot? 07:07:07 BZFlag another win is that a default.png could be searched for on the filesystem, say in /boot/blob.png and used as the default system parameters. this would contain command line args etc. 07:07:22 BZFlag course a text file would be easier to edit. 07:08:02 BZFlag I just like the idea cause it's a hack. ;-) 07:08:07 ctr hehe 07:09:17 ctr hmmm 07:09:25 BZFlag "can your bootloader display splash screens?" a: "my bootloader stores all it's information in the splash screen" ;-) 07:09:37 ctr well 07:09:40 ctr pngs rock 07:10:04 ctr did youknow they generated a picture of source code to run over the png to get the complete decss source code? 07:10:37 ctr thought that was pretty clever 07:10:44 BZFlag yep. I've browsed the decss galery 07:10:51 ctr uhm 07:11:30 ctr you could have whatever setsup the paramter block take a png as an aeguemtn, check it';s correct, and then place params in it, and put it in /dev/mtd1 07:11:47 ctr hmmm 07:11:47 BZFlag http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/ 07:12:09 BZFlag exactly 07:12:48 BZFlag blob would do that on "download splash" and similar on "params save" but a linux app could do the same. 07:13:37 ctr yep 07:13:49 Russ there would be no download splash 07:13:59 ctr well if we could have custom splash screen 07:14:01 Russ the splash screen is a paramater tag 07:14:01 ctr that'd rock :) 07:14:44 Russ its about done 07:16:21 Russ BZFlag: what should I give clock_div? 07:18:49 Russ doing something wrong, the screen is divided into halves 07:18:49 BZFlag hmm... serial right? 07:18:59 Russ splash.c 07:19:06 BZFlag oh. frame buffer stuff. 07:19:15 BZFlag your using the old blob code? 07:19:21 Russ a bit of it 07:21:09 BZFlag 0x0000001E is what the one one used. 07:21:17 Russ is that for 206Mhv 07:21:20 Russ er, MHz 07:21:48 BZFlag hmmm... we should get back to that if we can figure out the mem settings. 07:22:12 BZFlag need to add a peek and poke so we can hack those in the fly. ;-) 07:22:33 Russ anyway, the screen is half strange white on the top 07:22:40 Russ and vertical lines on the bottom 07:24:17 BZFlag 1e is what you are using at present? 07:24:22 Russ yah 07:24:52 Russ "decompressed 307456 Bytes." 07:25:02 Russ thats how much is going to 0xd8000000 07:25:21 Russ er 07:25:43 BZFlag try 1c 07:26:24 Russ I only copied splash.c 07:26:35 BZFlag you are 512 bytes short. 07:26:40 Russ is there any other setup done (like tell the processor the fb is at 0xd800000 07:26:47 Russ o... 07:27:17 BZFlag there should be: 07:27:24 307200 07:27:24 BZFlag ibot 640 * 480 07:27:36 BZFlag bytes of data and 07:27:42 768 07:27:42 BZFlag ibot 3 * 256 07:27:59 BZFlag bytes of palette afaik 07:28:11 Russ my bmp_to_splash isn't working 07:28:24 Russ can you pass me something that is 307968 bytes? 07:28:55 BZFlag hmmm... palette first or second? 07:29:11 Russ the *exact* way it should apear in DRAM 07:29:48 BZFlag 256*2 + (640*480) 07:29:52 BZFlag 256*2 + (640*480)? 07:29:59 307712 07:29:59 BZFlag ibot 256*2 + (640*480)? 07:30:16 Russ thats what the function in splash.c does 07:30:28 BZFlag hmm... looks like it's expecting a 16 bit palette first and then the image data 07:30:34 Russ so I am only missing 256 bytes 07:31:05 BZFlag yeah. dup the first 256 and you should get something you can see, just not right. 07:31:21 Russ ok... 07:32:09 Russ -rw-rw-r-- 1 russ russ 307712 Aug 31 01:34 new 07:34:05 BZFlag that code is all horked. 07:34:15 Russ hmm...no, I really screwed it up now 07:34:51 BZFlag fb* is a u32 so it really has 2* 256 + 4 * (640 * 480) bytes!? 07:34:52 Russ I'll need to jtag it 07:35:03 Russ no, you are doing a < comparison 07:35:26 BZFlag ah... true. so it's copying 4 at a time. 07:36:24 BZFlag are you setting DBAR1 and 2? 07:37:03 Russ I'm going to sleep 07:37:04 Russ you can play 07:38:35 Russ splash is a diff, the others are missing files 07:39:00 Russ something is a little off though and its not booting for me now :( 07:39:17 Russ probably has to do with the length calculation of the splash block being off 07:40:48 BZFlag ok 07:40:48 ctr hmm 07:40:59 ctr i am going to have to get one of these jtag devices 07:42:14 Russ its only really needed if you want to hack on the bootloader 07:42:36 Russ sleep 07:43:42 BZFlag does 230k work? 07:43:52 ctr hmmm 07:58:22 ronin is away: Zzz. 10:26:26 edwardam is back (gone 09:05:05) 10:46:21 Nermal :) 11:42:36 nelson: sorry... 11:42:36 nelson ibot: weather 11:42:45 ...but ibot is an infobot owned by Tangent with some assistance from BZFlag... 11:42:45 nelson ibot: you are forgiven 11:43:03 edwardam nelson: heh. I wonder what type of weather sorry is 11:43:24 nelson edwardam: so do you have a tux? 11:43:45 edwardam not yet. I am thinking of ordering two either today or in a month 11:44:39 edwardam nelson: what are you doing with yours? 11:45:07 nelson edwardam: well, until we know how to talk to the DSP, I'm just gonna use it as a remote information display. 11:45:28 nelson Right now I've got a 2x16 char LCD display hanging on the wall upstairs next to the phone. 11:45:41 edwardam nelson: So nobody has figured out the DSP yet? 11:46:01 nelson Not yet. BZflag has some leads, tho. 11:46:16 edwardam cool. 11:46:27 nelson And if all else fails, we can spy on the SPI interface and do stuff with Inferno. 11:46:40 edwardam yeah. Even as a remote display thin it's still pretty slick. :-) 11:47:16 nelson edwardam: yep. touchscreen, 640x480. That's worth $99 + however much yr Ethernet costs. 11:47:27 nelson Oh, and the fiddly bits of installing blob. 11:47:40 edwardam does WaveLan work in it? 11:48:30 nelson NOt sure if the wavelan, but the main limitation is the 3.3v-only power supply. 11:48:58 edwardam ah. hmm ... I'll have to check another wavelan card ... I tihnk they may be 5v ... not sure though 11:50:10 edwardam nelson: wireless doesn't really matter since you still have to plug in a power supply. So just running a CAT5 drop to wherever you want one is good enough 12:01:07 nelson Already got one there. :-). It's running the LCD display right now, but when I've got X running on the tux, I'll take it out and put the tux in. 13:15:30 CosmicPenguin Nice to see more folks in the room every time i log on..... 13:16:10 ctr :) 13:42:55 CosmicPenguin joev.... welcome... I haven't seen you before.. you new to the TuxScreen scene?? 13:43:09 joev yep. Just put my order in for two... 13:43:26 CosmicPenguin cool! 13:43:59 joev I'm gonna try to get Java running on the thing. 13:44:15 ctr heh 13:44:17 CosmicPenguin Thats a lofty goal... you think you can fit it in 4MB? 13:44:18 joev Might be kind of tight, though.. I may have to bump up the memory some. 13:44:41 joev I'll probably load classes/etc. from a file server. 13:45:10 joev You can stuff 40MB in the thing, right? 13:45:49 joev (The Wiki is toast, so I can't verify now). 13:46:12 CosmicPenguin On flash? No way... you only have 4MB on the flash, but you can stick a compact flash card for additional space.... 13:48:19 joev Hm. DOes the CF act as "heap", or just storage? 13:49:03 CosmicPenguin joev: Storage... as far as RAM is concerned, you start out with 16, but thats technically expandable, though I don't think anyone has gotten a larger chip to work.... 13:49:12 CosmicPenguin Russ and AlHaz have been working on that side of things 13:51:45 joev Hm. I wonder where I got that 40MB number from.. Anyway, back in The Day, I ran Linux on 8MB... I'll still probably be able to run the CDC profile of the Java 2 Micro Edition in there... 13:52:16 joev You ported Microwindows to this device, right? 13:52:18 CosmicPenguin joev: uClibc should help get you down.... 13:52:27 CosmicPenguin joev: Yep, that was me.... 13:52:39 joev kewl. 13:53:43 joev Ahh... From the SODIMM Wiki page: The largest known working SODIMM is 32M for a total of 40M: 13:53:45 CosmicPenguin joev: it would be neat to see java run on this... 13:54:02 joev But: TimRiker adds: Linux does not now see any more than 16M. 13:54:06 CosmicPenguin joev: Right, you get 8 on the board, and 8 on the chip..... 13:54:41 joev The StrongArm can (in theory) access 4GB... I wonder what the issue is.... 13:55:00 joev ARM Linux can also access a large memory space. 13:55:24 CosmicPenguin Russ, AlHaz: You guys in yet? 13:56:21 joev I wonder if the SavaJe (http://www.savaje.com) guys have looked at this thing yet.. THey have a Java-based OS for the iPaq... 13:58:37 ctr well 13:58:40 ctr hopefully 13:58:47 ctr on wednesday i will be able to order mine 14:12:52 joev hey there boodle. 14:13:05 boodle hello 16:22:05 CosmicPenguin 21 folks in the room..... thats approaching a record crowd.... 16:23:17 ctr heh 16:23:50 Aelhaz but two of 'em are me 16:24:55 ctr heh 16:26:10 CosmicPenguin Aelhaz: That means you are twice the TuxScreen enthusiast as the rest of us? 16:26:45 Aelhaz CosmicPenguin: Um . . . I do have two phones :) 16:26:46 Russ I'll be 2 soon 16:26:56 joev I should get my 2 next week. 16:27:25 joev Anyoe do anything "cool" with theirs, yet? 16:27:42 joev (Though booting Linux on a phone is cool in and of itself :^) 16:28:12 CosmicPenguin joev: Did you see my screenshots? 16:28:30 joev cp: Yep. Cool :^) 16:28:52 CosmicPenguin I'm probably going to buy another for my self, and I am considering buying the third and making it the first prize in a programming contest.... 16:29:31 CosmicPenguin joev: Nothing too functional (surfing with ip addresses sucks!) but when we get that DSP figured out, there will be no end to the cooless.... 16:30:13 joev cp: Yeah.. That DSP looks pretty slick. 16:34:19 Russ I don't think the DSP is paticularly slick 16:34:26 Russ it doesn't actually do very much 16:35:46 CosmicPenguin Russ: We have full faith in your ability to make the thing work... :) 16:35:52 joev heh 16:38:34 ctr 4 days 16:38:40 ctr 4 measly days 16:38:46 ctr then i can make an order 16:40:58 BZFlag CosmicPenguin: can't you fill in /etc/resolv.conf? 16:41:28 CosmicPenguin BZFlag: /etc/resolv.conf works great (ping tuxscreen.net works, for example....) 16:41:45 BZFlag is running debian potato on his over nfs mount. with icewm and xscreensaver. ;-) 16:42:07 CosmicPenguin BZFlag: It all stems from this libc problem.... Basically, I tracked it down, and it seems that the glibc wants to talk to nscd to get the DNS information..... 16:42:10 BZFlag CosmicPenguin: "surfing with ip addresses sucks!" ?? 16:42:34 Aelhaz ctr: still holding onto that cio10t 16:42:40 BZFlag ah... if you'd fix that loader so all your apps work on uclibc... ;-) 16:42:43 CosmicPenguin And since I don't have a nscd deamon running, then the C++ app (ViewML) doesn't handle DNS.... 16:42:57 ctr Aelhaz: thanks :) 16:43:03 ctr Aelhaz: muchos appreciated 16:43:08 Aelhaz ctr: No problem 16:43:14 CosmicPenguin BZFlag: Exactly.... basically, andersee will be my savior when he has it all working.... 16:43:30 ctr Aelhaz: hopefull ythe phone i get will have operational touch screen 16:43:41 ctr Aelhaz: then, boris's sekrit plan can beginning 16:43:53 BZFlag CosmicPenguin: you should put up some screenshots of what fits in 4M 16:44:22 ctr BZFlag: do you use intimate or familiar? 16:44:40 BZFlag ctr: yes. but not on the tux at present. 16:45:07 ctr BZFlag: k 16:45:39 CosmicPenguin BZFlag: It all fits in 4MB with 880K left.... 16:45:45 BZFlag I want to know why the palette in x is messed if i start it from the console and fine if I start it from the serail port 16:45:56 BZFlag CosmicPenguin: with viewml? 16:46:07 CosmicPenguin df -h says 2.2MB 16:46:19 BZFlag CosmicPenguin: with viewml? 16:46:23 CosmicPenguin BZFlag: Yep... 16:46:36 ctr so is intmate a debian arm dist and where does familiar fit in? 16:46:42 CosmicPenguin My goal is to make all the binary apps fit in the 4MB.... then the CF will be used for user data (mp3s, etc, etc....) 16:46:48 CosmicPenguin Going to lunch, will be back 16:47:22 ctr i am going to pick up a 128mb cf card 16:47:24 Aelhaz BZFlag: ahh, the mysteries of X . . . I wanna know why kwintv miscalculates the geometry of the display every other time i start it . . . 16:47:49 BZFlag penguin_lunch: sweet. I'll have to try it out. 16:51:15 cworth BZFlag: what X server are you running on the TuxScreen? straight Tiny-X? 16:51:28 cworth doh! too late... :( 16:52:51 cworth BZFlag: what X server are you running on the TuxScreen? straight Tiny-X? 16:53:18 BZFlag ssh timr@tuxscreen ;-) 16:53:22 BZFlag Xipaq 16:53:24 BZFlag from a HH release. 16:53:34 BZFlag DISPLAY=:0 xscreensaver-command -activate 16:53:53 BZFlag kinda wierd seeing the windows crash screen on my tux ;-) 16:54:03 joev heh 16:54:22 joev The matrix screensaver must be nice :^) 16:54:22 BZFlag andersee: penguin_lunch was asking bout c++ progress. 16:54:40 BZFlag he has all of uwin in flash with viewml 16:55:05 BZFlag goes to try matrix... 16:55:25 BZFlag heh, nt crash screen now. ;-) 16:55:32 cworth BZFlag: Excellent, I should be able to compile my own latest-and-greatest then. 16:55:45 BZFlag I expect so, yes. 16:56:10 BZFlag cworth: might be nice to allow for mouse as well as ts input? 16:56:13 joev Do you guys cross-compile on Intel for an ARM target? 16:56:34 BZFlag in case some folk find wireless keyboards with mice that should work. thoughts? 16:57:00 andersee BZFlag: Well, I've made some c++ progress... I've reworked all the uClibc headers to sync them with glibc 2.2.4. Still a couple bugs, but that is going to help quite a bit (esp for exception handling) 16:57:26 andersee BZFlag: Havn't checked those updated in quite yet. 16:59:35 andersee BZFlag: BTW, found a missing feature inmy device table work. I need to be able to fix up perms on existing files, For example, install tinylogin, then you need to have the device table fix it up to be setuid root. I started implementing that last night, but it requires that I can _read_ the fs as well as write it. I fixed up jffs2reader from the mtd source so it actually works, now I just need to merge in bits... 17:03:50 BZFlag DISPLAY=:0 xscreensaver-command -select 97 got me xmatrix ;-) 17:05:02 BZFlag andersee: /me refers to previous fakeroot comments... ;-) 17:08:31 andersee BZFlag: yeah well. I still think this will end up being a better solution. :) 17:42:35 BZFlag sweet: "Sharp has asked for that list (30-50 contacts) of the key Linux players in the handheld community that we talked about the other Friday." 17:42:58 BZFlag they are considering giving these folk a zaurus. 17:44:06 ctr cool 17:44:13 nikos BZFlag: You might suggest hefty discounts for second string players like myself. 17:44:37 nikos 3rd string? bench warmer? Whatever. ;) 17:45:02 BZFlag nikos: I wish there were a karma system around so that the community could determine this type of list. 17:45:24 nikos BZFlag: Yep, sounds like a swampy issue to me. 17:45:43 BZFlag folks like rmk and np are easy choices, others aer harder to just "pick". 17:46:17 BZFlag it's really a trial an error kind of venture. Those that have the time, talent, and interest are the ones you want. 17:46:36 BZFlag You want to avoid the ones that will just shelf the product and not build anything for it. 17:46:46 nikos True 17:47:09 BZFlag but it's also a chicken and egg thing, you can't ask folk to build things till they have a device to build on. 17:47:34 BZFlag holding it and playing with it is a key factor in determining your personal interest level. 17:47:43 nikos Absolutely 17:48:12 BZFlag I never would have guessed that Russ would have been so key in the Tux development, but I'm glad he has helped out so much! 17:48:58 BZFlag I'm very pleased to see Sharp considering it though! It's a step in the right direction. 17:49:29 cworth BZFlag: Sharp? 17:49:46 Russ|werk BZFlag: where do I sign up for free stuff? 17:50:12 BZFlag Sharp Zaurus? have you seen it? it's a 16M/32M sa1110 device with integrated SD, CF and keyboard. 17:50:24 CosmicPenguin SD? 17:50:43 BZFlag hmmm... SM? yeah, Smart Media I think. 17:50:55 BZFlag basically a plug in mtd memory module. 17:51:02 CosmicPenguin Like the Sony memory stick? 17:51:20 BZFlag similar, yes. less electronics, so they should be cheaper. 17:51:49 cworth BZFlag yeah, saw an announcement about that. So what is "Sharp considering"? 17:51:58 BZFlag and buss access so jffs2 should work on em. I have a zaurus, but I have no media to plug in. 17:52:20 BZFlag <BZFlag> sweet: "Sharp has asked for that list (30-50 contacts) of the key Linux players in the handheld community that we talked about the other Friday." 17:53:00 cworth BZFlag: ah, interesting. Your task to come up with the list then? That could be quite a challenge. 17:53:12 BZFlag cworth: heavily discounted, or perhaps free, development systems for a limited number of linux developers. 17:53:13 CosmicPenguin Wait.... you mean hiding the hardware away isn't the solution???? 17:53:19 andersee BZFlag: Oooh, pick me, pick me. I'm sure I deserve lots of free stuff. :) 17:53:21 BZFlag cworth: agreed. 17:53:39 BZFlag andersee: you can just reach over into my cube to get about anything you want. 17:53:58 BZFlag andersee: cept that 22" monitor you should have asked the government for. ;-) 17:54:00 andersee heh. Just wait till you are not looking? ;) 17:54:07 BZFlag ;-) 17:54:23 ctr hehehe 17:55:25 ctr god damn 17:55:32 ctr i wish i was an embedded linuxperson 17:55:34 ctr infact 17:55:45 ctr i wish i did something productive for linux 17:56:13 CosmicPenguin You work on enlightenment, right? 17:56:21 andersee ctr: You can give me money. I always consider that being productive. ;-) 17:56:31 CosmicPenguin I couldn't live without that..... thats pretty productive for linux] 17:56:38 ctr yeah i do 17:56:39 andersee is joking of course 17:56:59 andersee likes and uses E 17:57:21 andersee wished he could use Eterm, but it always crashes so he uses aterm instead 17:57:49 ctr Eterm crashes on you? 17:57:54 ctr eterm *never* crashes on me 17:58:08 andersee eterm 0.9.0-9 (from Debian) 17:58:17 CosmicPenguin <--- shamefully uses the gnome terminal 17:58:19 ctr hmmm 17:58:24 ctr wierd 17:58:24 ctr works fine here 17:58:35 ctr CosmicPenguin: i dont like gnome terminal =/ 17:58:39 ctr infact 17:58:56 ctr it's either xterm with 101 options tagged onto the end or Eterm 17:59:00 CosmicPenguin Actually, I was just downloading a gnome terminal clone that looks like the KDE terminal (with the tabs) 17:59:17 ctr powershell? 17:59:33 nikos CosmicPenguin: I join you in shame. 17:59:51 andersee Generally ocurrs when resizing. Also on resize, it often has the height/width messed up. I use resize=opaque 18:00:05 ctr andersee: oh 18:00:07 ctr andersee: hrmm 18:00:21 ctr and FYI 18:00:25 BZFlag likes aterm. even sent in patches. ;-) it smaller and does what I like. 18:00:26 ctr i dont care what people use :) 18:00:39 ctr the important thing is that people get to choose 18:01:05 ctr without choice 18:01:12 ctr might aswell give up now :) 18:01:35 nikos Amen 18:01:43 ctr exactly 18:01:43 ctr =) 18:01:49 andersee Indeed. Anyway, do check on that eterm thing for me. It crashed on me for the last time about 2 weeks ago (which is why I switched to aterm) 18:02:00 ctr hmm 18:02:00 Russ|werk eterm used to crash on me 18:02:05 Russ|werk but it doesn't anymore 18:02:08 ctr on opaque resize? 18:02:15 Russ|werk it would usually happen afetr having a term up for a few days 18:02:21 ctr oh 18:02:28 ctr see i only have terms up for about a day 18:50:41 Aelhaz Eterm 0.9 used to crash on me a lot, so I retrograded to 0.8 18:58:50 Aelhaz for the record, I use eterm with a pseudotransparent background 19:01:54 CosmicPenguin Hehehhe... Ghostbusters..... 19:02:47 BZFlag ever type xterm when you mean xchat? /me needs that dwim interface. 19:03:23 Russ|werk dwim? 19:04:03 blzbubba do what I mean 19:04:41 CosmicPenguin As opposed to the current pbkc mode 19:04:52 Aelhaz isn't that what the "active links" thing in WinXP does? 19:04:59 BZFlag hehe 19:05:02 Aelhaz "you *really* wanted to go to this other site . . . " 19:05:47 BZFlag pbkc? 19:06:00 nikos problem between keyboard and chair 19:06:12 BZFlag heh heh. yep. 19:06:22 CosmicPenguin Thats usually my problem.... :) 19:06:31 nikos That's everybody's problem. 19:11:16 Aelhaz "there was a loose nut behind the keyboard" 19:12:32 nikos "there was a loose nut using the keyboard" 19:12:51 blzbubba cosmicpenguin looks like the kernel you compiled won't boot for me either, same error 19:14:57 blzbubba however, the latest zImage-2.4.7-rmk2-np1-tux1 works ok 19:15:22 CosmicPenguin blzbubba: Must be a brightness/contrast thing 19:16:15 CosmicPenguin It is so frustrating to have mine work *SOO* well, and to have yours work so badly..... 19:17:26 Russ|werk maybe its a different ucb chip 19:17:58 blzbubba you 'n me both 19:18:37 blzbubba you don't think it's touch screen related? 19:19:05 CosmicPenguin Its gotta be touchscreen related..... 19:35:08 BZFlag feel like adding to my just started thinking out loud people list?http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view/Main/HandheldPeople 21:33:20 CosmicPenguin Is there anyone left now, or is it vacation time for everybody? 21:33:32 Aelhaz I'm still here 21:33:39 ctr i'm here 21:33:41 Russ|werk I am still at work 21:33:42 Aelhaz though I'm arguing with an accursed batwing eval board 21:33:49 Russ|werk batwing? 21:33:51 ctr though having said that 21:33:57 Aelhaz Russ: Motorola 21:34:05 ctr if i had been paid i'd been in london pissed a newt 21:34:10 Aelhaz picture the logo 21:34:22 CosmicPenguin Uhh.... do newts like getting pissed? 21:34:26 Russ|werk sounds like infringement to me 21:34:34 Aelhaz infringement? 21:34:36 ctr i have *no* idea 21:34:44 CosmicPenguin but you do... :) 21:34:55 CosmicPenguin .. /me is drinking a beer as we speak... 21:34:57 Russ|werk Aelhaz: of the Batman (TM) BatWing logo 21:35:06 Aelhaz Russ: *shrug* 21:35:09 ctr CosmicPenguin: i have drunk 3 am on the fourth 21:35:23 Aelhaz motorola can't be troubled to do things like put a boot loader in the flash on a board before they ship it 21:35:41 Aelhaz or the same connector type on the power supply and the board 21:35:56 CosmicPenguin AlHaz: That seems to be a problem not unique to Motorola... 21:36:20 Russ|werk Aelhaz: heh 21:36:26 Russ|werk Aelhaz: send one to me 21:36:28 Aelhaz CosmicPenguin: I've only worked with half a dozen vendors, but motorola is the only one that's done that to me, and they've done it twice 21:36:42 Aelhaz Even lied about it the first time 21:36:49 Aelhaz "Oh, we preprogram *all* our flash simms!" 21:37:07 Russ|werk Aelhaz: with 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFf 21:37:11 Aelhaz Russ: Right 21:37:26 CosmicPenguin AlHaz: at least you got a power supply. 21:37:46 Aelhaz now, Embedded Power puts a *shitty bootloader on their boards, but at least it's something . . . . 21:38:54 Russ|werk I wonder how hard it would be to port blob to that motorola board (powerpc?) 21:39:03 CosmicPenguin Ugh..... 21:39:07 Russ|werk maybe make a blob arch/ directory 21:39:18 Aelhaz Russ: There's this project called ppcboot on sourceforge, that's what I'm supposed to get onto this thing 21:42:13 Aelhaz it supports it already, so, if my xcompiler and whatnot are working, it should be a slam-dunk 21:42:30 Aelhaz and then i can nuke the win98 box I had to set up to run their crummy board debugger so i could install it 21:45:06 CosmicPenguin At least you could run the inferno app on Linux.... 21:47:00 Aelhaz CosmicPenguin: My theory is that some <deleted> manager high up at motorola has an edict out that all products should be packaged such that they enforce the installation if not use of motorola tools 21:47:49 Aelhaz you 21:48:03 Aelhaz you're forced to install CodeWarrior to boot strap most motorola boards 21:48:10 Aelhaz they must think that's a good thing 21:48:14 CosmicPenguin Sure.... That makes it easier for them.... 21:49:03 CosmicPenguin Plus a little more $$ 21:49:15 andersee Aelhaz: Buy why would any same mortal want to use metroTurd? ;) 21:49:24 andersee err. s/Buy/But/ 21:49:34 andersee s/same/sane/ 21:52:22 CosmicPenguin andersee: You don't like Motorola? 21:52:53 Aelhaz morotola makes some nice chips, and some awful software tools 21:53:11 andersee Aelhaz: right on the head... 21:59:00 CosmicPenguin Alright... nobody hanging around here, and its labor day, I think that I will take a few minutes early. 21:59:07 CosmicPenguin s/take/take off/ 21:59:10 Aelhaz cya 21:59:21 CosmicPenguin Take it easy everybody... don't waste your weekend hacking, eh? 22:27:36 Aelhaz Woohoo! Bootstrapped this damn thing. I'm goin to disneyworld! (or at least home - three day weekend & all) 22:50:52 matrix hrmmm 22:51:23 matrix i'm not having good luck cross-compiling the kernel 22:52:47 Russ|werk whats going on? 22:55:33 matrix entry-armv.S:832: Error: Internal_relocation (type 189) not fixed up (OFFSET_IMM) 22:55:33 matrix entry-armv.S:1052: Error: Can not represent SWI relocation in this object file format (0) 22:56:09 Russ|werk is that all there is? 22:56:45 matrix theres a few Internal_relocation errors before that 22:57:17 Russ|werk kernel? 22:59:33 matrix 2.4.7-rmk2-np1-tux1 23:01:28 matrix i grabbed buildroot of the site and using the emdebian toolchain 23:10:11 matrix sorry, just realized i didn't pass on where the problem is 23:11:12 matrix arm-linux-gcc -D__ASSEMBLY__ -D__KERNEL__ -I/home/matrix/tuxscreen/buildroot/linux/include -mapcs-32 -march=armv4 -mno-fpu -c -o entry-armv.o entry-armv.S 23:11:12 matrix entry-armv.S: Assembler messages: 23:11:12 matrix entry-armv.S:781: Error: Internal_relocation (type 189) not fixed up (OFFSET_IMM) 23:11:12 matrix entry-armv.S:783: Error: Internal_relocation (type 187) not fixed up (IMMEDIATE) 23:11:12 matrix entry-armv.S:830: Error: Internal_relocation (type 189) not fixed up (OFFSET_IMM) 23:11:13 matrix entry-armv.S:831: Error: Internal_relocation (type 189) not fixed up (OFFSET_IMM) 23:11:15 matrix entry-armv.S:832: Error: Internal_relocation (type 189) not fixed up (OFFSET_IMM) 23:11:17 matrix entry-armv.S:1052: Error: Can not represent SWI relocation in this object file format (0) 23:11:19 matrix make[1]: *** [entry-armv.o] Error 1 23:45:14 Russ hmmm 23:45:19 Russ I use erikm's toolchain 23:45:20 Aelhaz hmmmm 23:45:24 Russ what gcc version is it? 23:45:45 Russ I know that entry-armv.S frustrates rmk to no end 23:46:58 matrix 2.95.2 23:51:52 Russ try erikm's 2.95.2 toolchain on the LART pages 23:53:25 matrix yup, i started downloading it the moment you mentioned it 23:56:05 matrix hopefully that'll cure what ails me Generated by irclog2html.pl by Jeff Waugh - find it at freshmeat.net! 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