| 00:04:36 | BZFlag | hit me |
| 00:04:41 | matrix | bang |
| 00:05:20 | matrix | actually, i found most of what i was going to ask on tuxscreen.net |
| 00:05:23 | BZFlag | keels over |
| 00:05:26 | matrix | :p |
| 00:05:36 | BZFlag | sweet. that's what it's for. ;-) |
| 00:05:48 | BZFlag | is your real name Mat Rix? |
| 00:06:18 | matrix | i'm hoping to get blob on tonite |
| 00:06:38 | BZFlag | cool. |
| 00:06:58 | ronin | I haven't thoroughly checked tuxscreen.net, but is there a way to dump the bootloader onto the tuxscreen by way of null modem cable? |
| 00:08:52 | matrix | naw, my name's francois |
| 00:09:26 | BZFlag | ronin: yes. see: http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view//InstallingLinux |
| 00:09:31 | matrix | ronin- so the docs say, i haven't tried it yet |
| 00:10:37 | BZFlag | at least Aelhaz went home. erik and I are still stilling here saying "ya know, I should really go home" |
| 00:10:46 | BZFlag | er sitting here. |
| 00:12:33 | BZFlag | well, I'm headed home. any ?s before I go? |
| 00:12:44 | Russ | ecr |
| 00:12:45 | Russ | eer |
| 00:12:46 | Russ | er |
| 00:12:53 | Russ | BZFlag: you sent my tuxscreens to korea? |
| 00:13:22 | matrix | bzflag- not i, thanks for the help regardless |
| 00:13:41 | Russ | attempts to change his nick to Russ++ |
| 00:13:43 | BZFlag | Russ: ? no. I sent 2 to korea today and yours go out tomorrow. |
| 00:14:05 | BZFlag | tried that and found that + is not a valid nick char ;-) |
| 00:14:06 | ronin | BZFlag: Thanks much. |
| 00:14:27 | BZFlag | Russ--: how's your karma? |
| 00:14:33 | | Russ--: i'm not following you... |
| 00:14:33 | Russ-- | ibot: karma |
| 00:14:36 | | russ-- has neutral karma |
| 00:14:36 | Russ-- | ibot: karma Russ-- |
| 00:14:37 | | russ has karma of 3 |
| 00:14:37 | BZFlag | ibot: karma Russ |
| 00:14:43 | BZFlag | Russ--: how's your karma? |
| 00:14:44 | | russ has karma of 3 |
| 00:14:44 | BZFlag | ibot: karma Russ |
| 00:14:48 | | russ-- has neutral karma |
| 00:14:48 | Russ-- | ibot: karma Russ-- |
| 00:14:51 | BZFlag | Russ-- how's your karma? |
| 00:15:01 | Russ-- | aparently it can't go below 0 |
| 00:15:25 | BZFlag | Russ-- needs to see Russ-- about the karma for Russ-- and see if it goes down for Russ-- |
| 00:15:30 | | russ has karma of 1 |
| 00:15:30 | BZFlag | ibot: karma Russ |
| 00:15:38 | Russ | dammit BZFlag-- |
| 00:15:39 | BZFlag | Russ-- |
| 00:15:41 | BZFlag | Russ-- |
| 00:15:45 | | russ has karma of -1 |
| 00:15:45 | BZFlag | ibot: karma Russ |
| 00:15:46 | | Russ: excuse me? |
| 00:15:46 | Russ | ibot-- |
| 00:15:49 | | Russ: sorry... |
| 00:15:49 | Russ | ibot-- |
| 00:15:55 | | ibot has karma of 3 |
| 00:15:55 | Russ | ibot: karma ibot |
| 00:16:02 | Russ | no, ibot-- |
| 00:16:05 | | ibot has karma of 3 |
| 00:16:05 | Russ | ibot: karma ibot |
| 00:16:17 | Russ | ibot: ibot is <reply> BZFlag-- |
| 00:16:17 | BZFlag | we need to ibot-- the bot |
| 00:16:22 | | ibot has karma of 2 |
| 00:16:22 | BZFlag | ibot: karma ibot |
| 00:16:25 | BZFlag | heh |
| 00:16:29 | | hmmm... i am an infobot owned by Tangent with some assistance from BZFlag |
| 00:16:29 | Russ | ibot: ibot? |
| 00:16:39 | Russ | ibot: no, ibot is <reply> BZFlag-- |
| 00:16:45 | BZFlag | hehe |
| 00:16:52 | | i heard i was an infobot owned by Tangent with some assistance from BZFlag |
| 00:16:52 | BZFlag | ibot: ibot? |
| 00:16:54 | Russ | its not listening to me |
| 00:17:42 | BZFlag | that's ok. you'd have a long way to go to drop my karma |
| 00:18:09 | Russ | bbiaw |
| 00:18:18 | BZFlag | w? |
| 00:18:24 | ronin | while |
| 00:18:29 | BZFlag | ah |
| 00:18:37 | ronin | well lame |
| 00:18:51 | ronin | one of the contacts for the batteries isn't there |
| 00:19:02 | BZFlag | isn't there? huh? |
| 00:19:50 | ronin | oh i see it, it's there but it's pushed down |
| 00:20:15 | ronin | that's gonna be lame to fix, oh well |
| 00:20:15 | BZFlag | you mean from: http://TuxScreen.net/img/flashprotectpins.jpg |
| 00:20:23 | ronin | no |
| 00:20:26 | BZFlag | or a battery clip slid loose? |
| 00:20:42 | ronin | I mean the actual contacts for the AA batteries in the phone |
| 00:20:46 | ronin | one of them |
| 00:20:59 | ronin | is pushed all the way down inside the case |
| 00:21:15 | BZFlag | they just pull down. so if you can grab it and pull it into place you are set. easy enough to pull the screws and puch from the other side. |
| 00:21:20 | ronin | cool |
| 00:21:50 | ronin | unwraps his other Tuxscreen. |
| 00:26:31 | matrix | hrmm... |
| 00:29:30 | matrix | anyone know the amperage tolerances on the 12v during the unflashing? |
| 00:48:19 | as_ | You dont need to match the numbers for current, just hook it up to a decent power supply, it wont draw more than it needs. |
| 00:49:50 | BZFlag | matrix: no. |
| 00:50:23 | BZFlag | as as_ said though, small. I use 8 AA batteries. |
| 00:50:49 | BZFlag | is headed home back on later. |
| 02:55:35 | Aelhaz | weird. |
| 03:14:24 | BZFlag | wierd? |
| 03:16:55 | nelson | apparently. |
| 03:17:58 | BZFlag | I packaged up a new rootfs. it's just Russ' with the cio10t and a resolv.conf added. Erik wanted it. |
| 03:18:15 | BZFlag | oh, and ownership changed to root for most things. |
| 03:20:47 | nelson | I'd suck it down, but I haven't had time to play. I want to get X running off my CF card so that I can use the tux as a remote display. |
| 03:20:58 | nelson | Even simply as such, it's useful. |
| 03:21:06 | BZFlag | agreed |
| 03:24:06 | matrix | re |
| 03:25:26 | matrix | should i at all be concerned if a can't successfully 'c F!all D!inferno.orig' while the partitions are locked? |
| 03:47:40 | BZFlag | you should be able to, but it takes a while. |
| 03:47:51 | BZFlag | are you at 9600 or 115200? |
| 03:48:21 | BZFlag | I know I did not succeed on my laptop cause my laptop serial can't stream at 115200. |
| 03:48:54 | BZFlag | at 9600 it will take forever. At 115200 only machines with 16550s are likely to keep up. |
| 03:52:35 | matrix | i tried both, 16550a on the serial port, let it go for an hour or so on 115200 and about an 90 minutes at 9600. the file size is 0 the whole time |
| 04:08:06 | AlHaz | I dunno about that, i had 486's with 16450's that streamed fine at 115k under os/2 |
| 04:09:30 | AlHaz | maybe hardware varies more these days, *shrug* |
| 04:10:38 | AlHaz | could still be worthwhile to try another box, i guess. |
| 04:10:52 | AlHaz | the tux serial port will do 230400, right? |
| 04:13:30 | BZFlag | AlHaz: I think it will do 460800 as well. |
| 04:13:40 | BZFlag | andersee: I put up fs images for you. |
| 04:14:02 | AlHaz | BZFlag: the serial ports on the motherboard of the computer nearest my tux will supposedly do 230400 |
| 04:14:06 | AlHaz | so that might be neat to try |
| 04:14:40 | AlHaz | if i ever get the 8 port Equinox board working in my smp box upstairs, it will supposedly do up to 1mbps per port if i use real short cables |
| 04:16:09 | BZFlag | andersee: oh. you can rm -r /lib/modules on the fs images too. I build everything static at present as we have 900k of kernel space. |
| 04:22:54 | andersee | BZFlag: k, thx |
| 04:22:58 | andersee | will do |
| 04:23:34 | andersee | So how fast can the tux' serial ports go? |
| 04:25:16 | andersee | I ask, since I'm about to be flashing mine? |
| 04:25:41 | AlHaz | that's probably a limitation of the rs232 buffer on the board . . . . which one is on there? |
| 04:25:52 | AlHaz | we need high rez scans of these boards for online paruzal :) |
| 04:26:28 | AlHaz | andersee: i think the blob is just going to do 115k anyway |
| 04:27:11 | BZFlag | yes, blob is now limited to 115200 |
| 04:27:27 | andersee | grumble.... |
| 04:27:49 | andersee | I expect that the arm chip can go much higher |
| 04:27:50 | AlHaz | hey, could be worse |
| 04:28:06 | BZFlag | yes, I think arm can do 4x that. |
| 04:28:31 | AlHaz | the boot loader on the 32s334a will run at 115k, but the dte rate is more like 28k |
| 04:28:53 | andersee | so what needs to be done to persuade blob to push the envelope a bit? |
| 04:29:05 | andersee | blob is mostly in C, yes? |
| 04:29:08 | AlHaz | until they added tftp support to that boot loader, it was TWENTY MINUTES to reboot . . . . |
| 04:29:18 | andersee | yipe. |
| 04:29:48 | andersee | On my last arm project, I was spoiled with a JTAG box I used over 10bT. :) |
| 04:29:53 | AlHaz | neat chip tho, as mips goes |
| 04:30:11 | AlHaz | andersee: I've seen duck covet that jtag box |
| 04:30:17 | BZFlag | andersee: yes, blob is mostly in C. hack on. ;-) |
| 04:30:17 | andersee | :) |
| 04:30:51 | andersee | I guess I'd better get this buildroot thing going first, or I'll never get anything useful done. |
| 04:30:52 | BZFlag | the calypso blob patches should add tftp support to blob over an ne2k card. |
| 04:31:30 | andersee | Hmm. But not via pcmcia I expect |
| 04:31:43 | AlHaz | andersee: specifically via pcmcia |
| 04:31:57 | matrix | nice |
| 04:32:00 | AlHaz | CF rather |
| 04:32:29 | AlHaz | we used socket lp-e cards |
| 04:33:05 | matrix | socket makes those in pcmcia format too, that's what i have |
| 04:33:26 | andersee | And which of the available pccards listed in the wiki cards are likely to work with that (ne2k)? |
| 04:33:33 | AlHaz | matrix: I managed to snipe a ruggedized lp-e for $21 on ebay |
| 04:33:35 | andersee | hasn't bought NICs yet |
| 04:34:34 | matrix | AlHaz- now that's a good deal, i haven't found a nic yet with lower draw than that one |
| 04:34:49 | AlHaz | matrix: Yeah, it's the lowest out there |
| 04:35:58 | AlHaz | andersee: well, iirc the patches borrow the network driver code from the etherboot project. but i don't think etherboot ever had pcmcia in mind, so it might be hit or miss |
| 04:36:31 | matrix | okay, this isn't working, but i have a feeling it might be the cable |
| 04:37:00 | AlHaz | I'm gonna get some sleep. g'nite folks. |
| 04:37:39 | andersee | night |
| 04:37:58 | matrix | AlHaz- i haven't looked at the code yet, but if you look at the dos point enabler for ne2k pcmcia cards it'll look like it's there for the drivers |
| 04:39:26 | matrix | i don't think that came out very clearly, perhaps i should call it a night as well |
| 04:40:03 | matrix | thanks for the help guys |
| 04:41:33 | BZFlag | andersee: yes. the ne2k on calypso is a arm pcmcia slot. |
| 04:42:11 | andersee | So what card would I need to buy to make it go? Any on the wiki pcmcia page work? |
| 04:42:21 | BZFlag | the socket will work as Aelhaz mentioned and the cio10t should work too. |
| 04:42:44 | BZFlag | any pcmcia should work. they are almost all ne2k cards. |
| 04:42:52 | BZFlag | eep, I meant CF |
| 04:43:00 | BZFlag | pcmcia are all kinds. |
| 04:43:58 | BZFlag | the linksys pcmcia 3.3v in the wiki should work for you. it's 10/100 iirc |
| 04:45:29 | andersee | The PCM100? |
| 04:46:08 | BZFlag | yep. |
| 04:46:44 | andersee | Hmm. Whatever happened to the gcc-arm package? Is that still emdebian only? |
| 04:48:41 | BZFlag | yep. |
| 04:49:33 | andersee | Someone should merge that into unstable or testing. |
| 04:53:40 | BZFlag | a volunteer? ;-) |
| 04:54:17 | BZFlag | would be a nice thing for lineo to do for the community. |
| 04:54:32 | BZFlag | though I'm not holding my breath. |
| 04:56:13 | BZFlag | is flashing 2.4.7-rmk2-np1-tux1 |
| 04:56:49 | BZFlag | andersee: where did Russ put those bl patches? just an email to you? |
| 05:01:06 | andersee | BZFlag: here ya go. |
| 05:08:21 | BZFlag | email perhaps? =( |
| 05:08:34 | BZFlag | thanx |
| 05:11:14 | andersee | I'm working on getting the buildroot setup. |
| 05:13:49 | andersee | k. uClibc is now cross compiling. |
| 05:15:30 | BZFlag | sweet |
| 05:18:28 | andersee | compile choked -- looks like I broke the build on ARM today. Verifying/fixing on my NetWinder. |
| 05:20:11 | andersee | Oh. I need a proper arm-linux kernel tree is all. |
| 05:20:34 | andersee | The stock 2.4.x tree is missing a pile of needed rmk stuff |
| 05:21:57 | BZFlag | true true. |
| 05:22:21 | andersee | BZFlag: broken link on http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view//Software, 3rd paragraph is "http:/download/" |
| 05:22:26 | BZFlag | grab 2.4.7-rmk2-np1-tux1 |
| 05:22:38 | BZFlag | need pointers as to where the bits live? |
| 05:23:10 | BZFlag | actually a valid url in html 1.0, but not later. |
| 05:23:20 | andersee | Sure. Permanant links to source + patches is best (since I'm sripting the pull iff the tree is missing) |
| 05:24:05 | BZFlag | edited. |
| 05:25:18 | BZFlag | kernels ftp://ftp.us.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/ rmk ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/source/kernel-patches/v2.4/ np ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/people/nico/ tux http://russ.dhs.org/files/tuxpatches/ |
| 05:26:01 | andersee | thx |
| 05:26:08 | BZFlag | latest tux patch determines the rest if you want to get carried away. |
| 05:27:01 | BZFlag | woohoo: $2000 Weekly Possible Stuffing Envelopes at Home!! .... not. |
| 05:28:22 | andersee | Oh yeah? How about "Sweet College Girls!-Adults Only!" and "Become an Web Detective with this program !" |
| 05:28:47 | andersee | And geez. I had no idea that "W" was a vowel requiring "an" |
| 05:29:52 | andersee | latest is 2.4.7 based, right? |
| 05:29:57 | andersee | I'll use that |
| 05:30:00 | BZFlag | so far, yes |
| 05:30:14 | BZFlag | 2.4.7-rmk2-np1-tux1 |
| 05:32:20 | BZFlag | I applied the bl patch and now I don't boot. |
| 05:32:25 | BZFlag | you? |
| 05:32:35 | andersee | havn't tried it |
| 05:32:49 | andersee | That is just what Russ sent me |
| 05:34:34 | BZFlag | reverting, recompiling, reflashing... |
| 05:38:23 | andersee | You use the zImage from arch/arm/boot/zImage, yes? |
| 05:41:11 | BZFlag | yes. |
| 05:41:32 | BZFlag | now booting again... seems ok without the bl patch |
| 05:41:42 | BZFlag | uploading a kernel and config for kicks |
| 05:49:51 | andersee | gonna take a min to suck down 2.4.7.tar.bz2 I'm afraid. |
| 05:50:19 | andersee | Too bad kernel.org mirrors aren't consistant -- some have .gz some have .bz2 some have both |
| 06:16:24 | BZFlag | 1 phone ts works, 1 does not. flashing the same images on now. |
| 06:17:12 | BZFlag | anyone that's awake and knows the ts status on thier phone (under linux) update the wiki. ;-) |
| 06:18:03 | andersee | What do I need to do to find that out? |
| 06:19:24 | BZFlag | get linux and x or microwin running. then touch the screen. ;-) |
| 06:19:44 | andersee | Which image shall I flash in? |
| 06:24:51 | andersee | I'm using the latest from v0.3... flashing now... |
| 06:26:03 | BZFlag | good. |
| 06:27:47 | andersee | k. I now have the kernel + patches being automagically sucked down, patches applied, and compiled... |
| 06:28:16 | andersee | Now I just need to fix mkfs.jff2 so it compiles standalone (minus most of the mtd-tools baggage) |
| 06:28:40 | andersee | You don'y pay me enough for all this free work. ;) |
| 06:28:43 | BZFlag | sweet |
| 06:28:51 | BZFlag | that is clearly true. |
| 06:29:08 | andersee | Should be ready for CVS tomorrow. err. today. |
| 06:29:09 | BZFlag | tell you what, I'll double what I pay you now. how's that? |
| 06:29:20 | Russ | andersee: just get mtd cvs |
| 06:29:28 | andersee | quadruple it and throw in lunch, and its a deal. :) |
| 06:29:37 | BZFlag | sounds good to me. |
| 06:30:13 | andersee | Hi Russ. I got my mkfs.jffs2 all patched up. No more root required. |
| 06:32:05 | andersee | I will be sending the patch to D. Woodhouse so I don;t have to maintain it (hopefully) |
| 06:34:05 | BZFlag | Russ: I applied the bl patch you sent erik and then failed to boot after the first UCB1200 boot message |
| 06:34:13 | Russ | thats bad |
| 06:34:39 | andersee | Hmm. Nothing current at ftp://ftp.linux-mtd.infradead.org/pub/mtd/ |
| 06:34:51 | Russ | I need to get this thing worked out with the bootldr people |
| 06:35:01 | andersee | Where are current MTD snapshot tarballs hiding? |
| 06:35:07 | Russ | it contains some of dmw2's code too, as well as others |
| 06:35:36 | andersee | duh. |
| 06:35:42 | andersee | Found em |
| 06:36:01 | Russ | and arjanv... |
| 06:38:19 | | jamey was last seen on #handhelds.org 2 days, 2 hours, 46 minutes and 27 seconds ago, saying: newbee_: after attempting to load the bootldr, what does 'peek flash 0' and 'peek flash 0x20' say? [Tue Aug 28 04:51:52 2001] |
| 06:38:19 | Russ | ibot: seen jamey |
| 06:39:48 | jaxp | bzflag? asleep? |
| 06:40:39 | jaxp | bzflag, still about the tuxscreen: how much are international delivery costs? |
| 06:42:56 | BZFlag | here |
| 06:43:15 | BZFlag | http://ircalc.usps.gov/ |
| 06:44:11 | Sammy | at least $25 ... |
| 06:45:10 | jaxp | ok, thx |
| 06:46:41 | BZFlag | dwmw2's code is multiply licensed, though I have not read the non-gpl licenses. |
| 06:46:46 | Russ | ecos |
| 06:47:15 | BZFlag | right. |
| 06:48:24 | Russ | http://sources.redhat.com/ecos/license.html |
| 06:48:32 | Russ | ecos looks a lot like GPL to me |
| 06:49:08 | Russ | except more descriptive |
| 06:49:44 | andersee | Ever read their C lib? Ugh. Macro city. |
| 06:49:47 | jaxp | mmmm, can anyone help with US units? 17 lbs = XX ounces |
| 06:49:56 | jaxp | XX? |
| 06:50:01 | andersee | 16 oz = 1 lb |
| 06:50:14 | Russ | I saw a -lz |
| 06:50:14 | andersee | 17 * 16 = 272 oz |
| 06:50:24 | Russ | libz.a is 63k |
| 06:50:37 | jaxp | ok, thx |
| 06:50:45 | BZFlag | confirmed. I've loaded blob-2.0.4, zImage-2.4.7-rmk2-np1-tux1, rootfs-20010829.jffs2 on two phone and run the same chrooted Xipaq. one ts works the other does not. |
| 06:50:58 | Russ | my GPL mini_deflate is much smaller (but doesn't compress things) |
| 06:51:40 | Russ | BZFlag: its not code I've touched. the ts just "works" one you tell it it has a ucb1x00 |
| 06:52:03 | andersee | my buzybox gzip and gunzip are pretty small. GPL and freely steal-able |
| 06:52:04 | Russ | rmk is coming up with a new ucb1x00 driver aparently |
| 06:52:15 | Russ | andersee: do they use zlib code? |
| 06:53:18 | BZFlag | so I should send rmk a ts that does not work. ;-) |
| 06:53:33 | Russ | he would want to see the schematic |
| 06:53:39 | andersee | They are derived from GNU gzip -- with a lot do adjustment |
| 06:54:11 | Russ | yah, my mini_deflate (inflate actually) is *much* smaller, but again, no compressor |
| 06:54:38 | Russ | a boot loader for arm should ideally be < 32k |
| 06:55:53 | BZFlag | hmmm... I'd like zmodem, direct-jffs2, tftp and netboot. so I'd say < 64k ;-) |
| 06:56:29 | Russ | andersee: does the function "lockf" mean anything to you? |
| 06:56:50 | andersee | BZFlag: And a GUI. And a web server. And a MS .net client as well. ;) |
| 06:56:59 | Russ | zmodem is fluff, direct-jffs2 is good, tftp is good |
| 06:57:04 | Russ | I don't know what netboot is |
| 06:57:16 | Russ | is netboot tftp? |
| 06:58:27 | andersee | lockf? One the many file locking functions... |
| 06:58:40 | andersee | Russ: do you need it for something? |
| 06:59:24 | Russ | "I tried to build udhcp-0.9.4 on a system using the uClibc snapshot from 28th August 2001" |
| 06:59:33 | Russ | > dhcpc.o: In function `pidfile_acquire': |
| 06:59:33 | Russ | > dhcpc.o(.text+0x1bd): undefined reference to `lockf' |
| 07:00:00 | Russ | hmm..lemme look up pidfile aquire really quick |
| 07:00:36 | BZFlag | ronin: flashed yet? |
| 07:01:14 | Russ | lockf is from sys/file.h |
| 07:01:31 | ronin | BZFlag: No, I'm lame and I found out I snapped my only null modem cable, gotta wait till I make a stroll to comp usa or some such :( |
| 07:01:36 | andersee | hasn't been touched for ages |
| 07:01:50 | Russ | uclibc seems to have lockf |
| 07:01:57 | Russ | "The library is built for i386, no shared libs." |
| 07:02:20 | ronin | Sok though, means I can wrestle with getting x to run with my radeon using the real driver, and not VESA |
| 07:02:34 | Russ | /usr/i386-linux-uclibc/bin/gcc dhcpc.o clientpacket.o script.o |
| 07:02:34 | Russ | > options.o socket.o packet.o -o udhcpc |
| 07:02:38 | andersee | Russ: quite odd. |
| 07:02:39 | Russ | er |
| 07:02:47 | Russ | /usr/i386-linux-uclibc/bin/gcc dhcpc.o clientpacket.o script.o options.o socket.o packet.o -o udhcpc |
| 07:02:52 | Russ | thats how they built it |
| 07:03:04 | Russ | I don't know about static uClibc |
| 07:03:11 | ronin | anybody here using a radeon? |
| 07:03:27 | andersee | Just add --static |
| 07:03:37 | Russ | ronin: people in #dri do |
| 07:04:21 | Russ | andersee: I think its linking against glibc, without knowing it |
| 07:04:26 | Russ | "/usr/i386-linux-uclibc/bin/gcc" |
| 07:04:38 | Russ | would that call the uclibc ld, or the ld in the $PATH |
| 07:05:18 | andersee | Read it -- is a shell script. :) |
| 07:05:44 | andersee | Is should call the system ld with the PATH fixed up. |
| 07:05:48 | Russ | is not |
| 07:06:01 | Russ | russ:~$ strings /usr/arm-linux-uclibc/bin/gcc |
| 07:06:01 | Russ | /lib/ld-linux.so.2 |
| 07:06:11 | andersee | Err. /usr/i386-linux-uclibc/bin/ld is |
| 07:06:15 | Russ | o |
| 07:06:23 | Russ | what about gcc though |
| 07:06:45 | andersee | Is an ELF executable compiled vs the host system |
| 07:06:56 | Russ | and what will it do to try to run ld |
| 07:07:02 | andersee | It just fixes up the arguments |
| 07:07:53 | Russ | extern int __REDIRECT (lockf, __P ((int __fd, int __cmd, __off64_t __len)), lockf64); |
| 07:08:01 | andersee | you should either set CROSS=i386-linux- or set PATH=/usr/i386-linux-uclibc/bin:$PATH |
| 07:08:24 | Russ | is it possible that he stripped his library and it lost the redirect? I've never seen __REDIRECT myself |
| 07:08:56 | andersee | Russ -- is he compiling with large file support? uClibc doesnt cope properly with that quite yet. |
| 07:09:22 | Russ | did he compile uclibc with it, or is he trying to compile uclibc with it |
| 07:10:38 | andersee | uClibc _might_ compile with it enabled. But apps probably won't. |
| 07:11:02 | andersee | should remove/hide uClibc large file support till it works |
| 07:19:27 | BZFlag | #ifdef USING_BROKEN_LARGE_FILE_SUPPORT ;-) |
| 07:30:36 | andersee | BZFlag: I have the whole tree building up just fine now. Now I just need to fix up the mtd daily snapshot with my mkfs patch, and I think I'll be done. |
| 07:34:22 | Russ | "Is it possible to run GDB on Linux on Assabet?" why does everyone always ask that question on arm-linux |
| 07:36:17 | andersee | Russ, what's the mkfs.jffs2 command you use when building? |
| 07:39:12 | andersee | Do you use -e 131072 ? |
| 07:39:13 | Russ | -e 0x2000 -r root/ -o image.jffs2 |
| 07:39:19 | Russ | er, 0x20000 |
| 07:40:38 | andersee | k. I've got the buildroot thing finished for the tuxscreen now. |
| 07:40:52 | Russ | cool |
| 07:41:04 | andersee | Just builds the kernel + uClibc + busybox + jffs2 image so far. |
| 07:41:10 | andersee | No root required |
| 07:41:25 | Russ | "Yes, I have a "DOLFS = true" in uClibc's Config." |
| 07:41:26 | Russ | good call |
| 07:41:37 | andersee | heh. |
| 07:41:47 | andersee | You'd think I wrote it or something. :) |
| 07:42:12 | andersee | I really should force that one off for the time being. Causes problems. |
| 07:42:35 | andersee | I indended it to remind me to go back and fix it -- but then I didn't... |
| 07:43:37 | andersee | It takes 25 Meg of compressed source to build the tuxscreen image so far. |
| 07:43:49 | andersee | Still missing that I can think of: pcmcia-cs |
| 07:43:54 | Russ | I don't know how important LFS is on a system that uses uclibc |
| 07:43:58 | andersee | Anything else you were adding? |
| 07:44:25 | Russ | udhcp |
| 07:44:31 | andersee | Which is why I havn't hit that yet. LFS, threads, wide char, etc... |
| 07:44:39 | andersee | Ahh, yes. |
| 07:44:54 | andersee | Lemme add those to a TODO list. I'm getting tired... |
| 07:45:08 | Russ | I don't think threads would take much space, and can be a seperate library or .a that can be easily not included |
| 07:45:48 | andersee | Problem is that thread support mucks about with much of the C lib. Has to override a ton of things... |
| 07:46:20 | Russ | oh, reentry? |
| 07:46:31 | Russ | isn't that a problem if someone calls clone() anyway? |
| 07:48:24 | andersee | yup |
| 07:48:48 | andersee | And fork has to be thread aware. And so do the signal handlers. etc. etc. ad nauseum. |
| 07:49:37 | andersee | It is a bit painful. And since I have not used a single thread since the day I wrote my last line of code on NT, I havn't much cared thus far. ;) |
| 07:50:25 | BZFlag | andersee: timylogin |
| 07:50:33 | BZFlag | heh timy. |
| 07:52:44 | andersee | k |
| 07:52:53 | andersee | added that one to the TODO list |
| 07:59:21 | Russ | "Hm, even with DOLFS=false setting, there is still the link error" |
| 07:59:34 | Russ | "Are you sure that uClibc has the "lockf" function? A grep shows that only in the header files." |
| 08:00:00 | andersee | Argh. |
| 08:00:25 | andersee | Have him try and edit that part out of the header file... |
| 08:01:17 | andersee | Did he 'make clean && make' on his uClibc tree after the change? |
| 08:03:24 | Russ | he has a point |
| 08:03:29 | Russ | where is the lockf function? |
| 08:06:25 | andersee | Email back from dwmw2 re my device tables patch: "Looks good." |
| 08:07:22 | Russ | cool |
| 08:07:50 | BZFlag | well, once you got that lame bug fixed. ;-) |
| 08:08:43 | andersee | Hmm. Perhaps flock is not yet implemented... Should be just a wrapper of flock. |
| 08:08:55 | andersee | Yeah. It was pretty lame. |
| 08:09:13 | andersee | should go to bed before I pull another such blunder |
| 08:11:09 | BZFlag | flock should be a wrapper of flock? |
| 08:12:09 | Russ | lockf |
| 08:14:44 | BZFlag | was just pointing out that andersee is tired. |
| 08:15:00 | BZFlag | debian is booting on my shannon |
| 08:15:10 | Russ | lockf should be a wrapper of flock? |
| 08:15:17 | BZFlag | posted my linuxrc changes to the wiki PivotRoot |
| 08:15:39 | BZFlag | andersee: I am able to unmount the old root now. so I can flash new jffs2 images over the net. |
| 08:17:25 | andersee | ftp://oss.lineo.com/buildroot-tux.tar.gz |
| 08:17:43 | BZFlag | andersee: get a SF account allready. ;-) |
| 08:17:56 | andersee | I'm uploading its companion sources.tar.gz right now... |
| 08:18:18 | andersee | [andersen@sage tuxscreen]$ ll buildroot-tux.tar.gz |
| 08:18:18 | andersee | -rw-r--r-- 1 andersen andersen 17382 Aug 30 03:17 buildroot-tux.tar.gz |
| 08:18:21 | andersee | :-) |
| 08:18:35 | andersee | [andersen@sage tuxscreen]$ ls -sh buildroot-tux.tar.gz |
| 08:18:35 | andersee | 20k buildroot-tux.tar.gz |
| 08:18:42 | andersee | Just 20k... :) |
| 08:19:12 | andersee | The sources, on the other hand, are 25M compressed. |
| 08:20:32 | andersee | fortunately (if you don't grab and untar sources.tar.gz) it will grab all those 25M sources automagically |
| 08:24:26 | BZFlag | http://TuxScreen.net/download/ <- just the buildroot |
| 08:24:32 | BZFlag | I'll cvs it later. |
| 08:26:13 | andersee | k |
| 08:27:42 | andersee | Just needs some polish so it will match what you have already -- adjustment to busybox options, needs RPC enabled in uClibc, missing apps, needs the rootfs updated a bit, etc. |
| 08:28:20 | andersee | But, it does mean that we can now be repeatable. And by bundling sources.tar.gz full of known working sources... |
| 08:29:06 | Russ | lrzsz? |
| 08:29:20 | andersee | not in there I'm afraid |
| 08:29:22 | Russ | also, I was using sysvinit, I don't know if thats neccessary though |
| 08:29:22 | BZFlag | oh, yeah. |
| 08:29:52 | BZFlag | I'd prefer a minimalistic but working bb init |
| 08:30:07 | Russ | I can use sysvinit to flash a live file system |
| 08:30:28 | Russ | link it statically, copy it to a ramfs before execing it from linuxrc |
| 08:30:28 | andersee | But the _core_ of the buildroot thing should be a nice solid buildsystem, so it will be easy enough now to add additional apps. |
| 08:30:39 | BZFlag | with working pivot_root detection. preferably with udhcp client that detects host/path from dhcp |
| 08:30:51 | BZFlag | andersee: much agreed! |
| 08:31:13 | Russ | then having it enter a runlevel that kills all apps, and then runs a flashing program that is also on the ramfs |
| 08:31:25 | Russ | so the jffs2 is still mounted /, but nothing is open on it |
| 08:31:53 | Russ | I don't think bb init can be signaled to do something like that right now |
| 08:32:03 | BZFlag | Russ: why not pivot_root to the ramfs? then the old / could be unmounted. |
| 08:32:21 | Russ | not neccessary |
| 08:32:32 | BZFlag | my experience says it is. |
| 08:32:45 | Russ | and doesn't piviot_root require your 1 processes exec'ing something? |
| 08:32:52 | BZFlag | GC has hosed me on a number of jffs2 updated while mounted read only. |
| 08:33:05 | andersee | There used to be a patch in busybox init, prior to the invention of pivot_root, that did just this sort of thing. I should revive it and make it use pivot_root... |
| 08:33:11 | Russ | that would be a bug in jffs2 |
| 08:33:27 | BZFlag | agreed, but it still exists |
| 08:33:53 | Russ | andersee: that would be very cool, if bb init could kill everything, and piviot_root to /whatever and exec /whatever/linuxrc |
| 08:34:05 | BZFlag | yes. init needs some kind of signal that causes it to exec something else. |
| 08:34:33 | andersee | buildroot-tux-sources.tar.gz is now up on oss as well. |
| 08:34:35 | BZFlag | then the "something else" is a script that can do it all. |
| 08:35:01 | andersee | If you untar it, then buildroot won't need to wget anything... |
| 08:35:19 | andersee | Anyways, I'm outta here -- getting sleepy. |
| 08:35:36 | andersee | G'night all |
| 08:35:41 | BZFlag | k. thanx much. talk to me tomorrow about your raise |
| 12:51:25 | matrix | i let the copy of the original flash go all nite at 9600, and in the morning, it was done |
| 12:52:35 | matrix | but it didn't give me any indication of the fact, the file was complete when i exited rdp |
| 14:48:01 | mallum | congrats bworth :)) |
| 14:48:11 | bworth | mallum: thanks |
| 14:49:07 | bworth | sex: male name: Roc weight: 8lbs 6oz. length: 21 inches |
| 14:49:34 | CosmicPenguin | bworth: Congragulations! |
| 14:49:39 | bworth | mallum: sorry, i'm not good at metric conversions :) |
| 14:50:03 | bworth | CosmicPenguin: thanks |
| 14:50:12 | bworth | passes out more virtual cigars |
| 14:52:36 | mallum | Roc is a cool name |
| 14:53:11 | bworth | yeah, but now we are having a hard time coming up with a middle name |
| 14:53:27 | mallum | bworth: How many kids do you have now ? |
| 14:54:18 | Russ | mallum: thats 3.8kg |
| 14:54:26 | bworth | 4 kids - 3 boys (9 and 6 and 0) and a girl (2) |
| 14:54:35 | Russ | 53 cm |
| 14:55:03 | mallum | Russ: I can talk pounds and inches |
| 14:55:34 | Russ | oh, "mallum: sorry, i'm not good at metric conversions :)" |
| 14:56:07 | mallum | Russ: ;) |
| 14:56:37 | mallum | bworth: cool, I have 0 kids, 3 cats |
| 14:57:15 | bworth | mallum: cats are nice - low maintenance |
| 14:57:24 | bworth | is away - lunch |
| 14:59:15 | mallum | Russ: I think bworth assumed as I line in the UK, I dont understand non-metric measurements - truth is , in england metric/non-metric use is about 50,50 so most people have a good idea of both |
| 14:59:15 | Russ | cats annoy me |
| 14:59:59 | mallum | why? |
| 15:00:19 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Non metric assumptions are only valid in the US.... unfortunately..... |
| 15:02:34 | blzbubba | mallum i wish the us were more like that |
| 15:04:28 | Russ | blzbubba: doesn't really matter, a unit is a unit |
| 15:04:30 | CosmicPenguin | we need to get mallum a 802.11B card and a PDA so he can stay online while he commutes.... |
| 15:06:08 | Russ | ... unless you get them confused on a mars bound spacecraft |
| 15:06:24 | Russ | class |
| 15:42:21 | nikos | Congratulations bworth! I hope your wife and new child are doing well. |
| 15:42:50 | ctr | Aelhaz, mornin |
| 15:43:07 | bworth | nikos: thanks, they are both doing remarkably well |
| 15:47:41 | Aelhaz | mornin |
| 16:02:39 | nikos | Uhm, is the wiki down? |
| 16:02:51 | nikos | This sfWiki's database has returned an error, " : (database.inc/24) Guessing database down or site.inc misconfigured. ". |
| 16:06:27 | Aelhaz | if anyone needs compactflash adapters cheap, there are about 40 lexar pcmcia compactflash adapters on ebay closing in a few days, at $6, with $2 shipping for up to five units |
| 16:19:31 | CosmicPenguin | Aelhaz: URL? |
| 16:20:24 | ctr | y0 |
| 16:22:55 | nikos | Aelhaz: We are waiting with baited breath.... |
| 16:23:03 | nikos | oops |
| 16:23:05 | nikos | I misread |
| 16:26:37 | Aelhaz | http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1270068799 |
| 16:26:48 | Aelhaz | http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1270068806 |
| 16:26:58 | Aelhaz | http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1270068816 |
| 16:27:08 | Aelhaz | http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1269482743 |
| 16:27:17 | Aelhaz | http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1269482756 |
| 16:27:26 | Aelhaz | http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1269482763 |
| 16:28:35 | CosmicPenguin | AlHaz: thanks... |
| 16:28:51 | Aelhaz | np |
| 16:31:31 | nikos | BZ |
| 16:31:35 | nikos | BZFlag: Hey |
| 16:31:48 | nikos | BZFlag: Those cards you have/had, were they CF or PC card? |
| 16:32:10 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: found cheap cf adapters on ebay, $6/ea $2 flat shipping for up to 5, $3.50 for more than 5 |
| 16:35:29 | Aelhaz | nikos: the CIO10T cards are CF and come with an adapter |
| 16:35:44 | nikos | Aelhaz: Cool, I found the ebay link on the wiki finally. Thanks. |
| 16:46:38 | BZFlag | AlHaz: link? |
| 16:46:48 | Aelhaz | <Aelhaz> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1270068799 |
| 16:46:48 | Aelhaz | <Aelhaz> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1270068806 |
| 16:46:48 | Aelhaz | <Aelhaz> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1270068816 |
| 16:46:48 | Aelhaz | <Aelhaz> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1269482743 |
| 16:46:48 | Aelhaz | <Aelhaz> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1269482756 |
| 16:46:49 | Aelhaz | <Aelhaz> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1269482763 |
| 16:47:01 | Aelhaz | 60 of 'em closing within the next 3 days or so |
| 16:49:42 | BZFlag | ahh, adapters. I thought you meant eth cards. ok. |
| 16:49:51 | Aelhaz | nope |
| 16:51:41 | nikos | BZFlag: I made the same oops. |
| 16:55:11 | ctr | god damn |
| 16:55:17 | ctr | paypal is a PITA |
| 17:03:56 | BZFlag | ctr: money order is fine if you like. |
| 17:04:10 | ctr | bzfl:it's easier if i paypal it |
| 17:04:26 | ctr | BZFlag: just waiting for cc bill to come through so i can unlock my cc |
| 17:04:32 | ctr | as i can only to a max of $100 atm |
| 17:05:04 | ctr | (hopefully it should be through on wednesday) |
| 17:05:15 | BZFlag | so it's a pita but easier that other options. ;-/ |
| 17:05:36 | ctr | yep |
| 17:05:36 | ctr | =) |
| 17:05:44 | ctr | can you make sire you save a nic for me |
| 17:05:44 | ctr | :) |
| 17:06:20 | ctr | (i know you dont do reserving but i'd be well grateful) :) |
| 17:07:49 | BZFlag | I'll see what I can do. |
| 17:07:53 | ctr | thanks |
| 17:08:08 | ctr | assuming all goes to plan i will place an order on wednesday |
| 17:08:10 | ctr | or thursday |
| 17:08:28 | ctr | (i believe i need to pay you $170( |
| 17:08:29 | dec_ | PITA? |
| 17:08:35 | ctr | Pain In The Arse |
| 17:08:35 | dec_ | pain in the ass |
| 17:08:59 | dec_ | it is. I'm international userand I have now way to cash out. |
| 17:09:09 | ctr | hmm |
| 17:09:16 | ctr | i can get money to my bank account |
| 17:09:16 | dec_ | perhaps I should buy 20 Tuxscreens. |
| 17:09:36 | dec_ | ctr, im not from a country with supported bank. |
| 17:09:43 | ctr | oic =/ |
| 17:11:01 | ctr | i have some great plans for the tuxscreen |
| 17:11:05 | ctr | if it works |
| 17:11:08 | ctr | i'll buy anotherone :) |
| 17:23:54 | BZFlag | ctr: sounds about right. |
| 17:24:14 | ctr | ok |
| 17:24:38 | BZFlag | dec_: money order via mail is fine. |
| 17:38:51 | as_ | BZ, is the screen 8 bit or 8 colours? |
| 17:39:59 | ctr | 8 bit |
| 17:40:48 | as_ | Ahh cool, I normally take 640x480x8 to mean 8 colours, haha. |
| 17:41:31 | as_ | Can you eplain this line, 'Intel SA-1100 StrongARM CPU clocked to 133/206 Mhz ' |
| 17:42:37 | as_ | 133 or 206? |
| 17:43:07 | ctr | no |
| 17:45:44 | BZFlag | 133 is spec, it has been clocked to 206, it's actuallyu currently at 194? under Linux. |
| 17:45:58 | cworth | I just got off the phone with justdeals.com. They say they have no more of the CIO10T (which they were selling for $10.00). |
| 17:46:35 | as_ | Interesting. |
| 17:48:23 | BZFlag | heads to work |
| 17:54:21 | mallum | Hi all, what serial number do I want to put down for the wiki |
| 17:54:37 | mallum | mine have 3 numbers - 2 at each side , 1 at top |
| 17:54:42 | Russ | it is currently at 196MHz |
| 17:59:24 | mallum | nobody know ? Is it the number underneath the barcode ? |
| 18:38:53 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: number under the barcode |
| 18:39:10 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Should be in the thousands.... |
| 18:41:41 | BZFlag | tween 1 and 4000 to be exact. ;-) |
| 18:41:58 | mallum | IS2630 ? |
| 18:42:15 | BZFlag | it starts with IS2630PCC0... |
| 18:42:24 | Russ | 1887 |
| 18:42:58 | BZFlag | 1887 works or no? |
| 18:43:09 | Russ | works (updating wiki) |
| 18:44:11 | BZFlag | eep. I may have just blasted your edit or vis/versa |
| 18:44:41 | BZFlag | needs to get the edit/locks working on the wiki sometime. |
| 18:45:21 | BZFlag | Russ: nice, a sort and everything. ;-) |
| 18:46:18 | BZFlag | so far it looks like the later serial numbers may have had a board edit. |
| 18:46:30 | BZFlag | I'll probably open up the two I ahve and compare. |
| 18:48:49 | mallum | hi again |
| 18:48:55 | mallum | my battery died |
| 18:49:29 | mallum | IS2630 - does that seem right ? |
| 18:49:53 | nikos | mallum: The bit after that. |
| 18:50:19 | nikos | <BZFlag> it starts with IS2630PCC0... |
| 18:50:37 | nikos | I assume they mean the last 4 digits. |
| 18:51:28 | mallum | aha - 3525, thats what Id put in the wiki |
| 19:07:39 | mallum | night all + thanks for your help. |
| 19:30:59 | blzbubba | now that is a cool nick |
| 21:06:31 | edwardam | hello all ... quick question. Is the tuxscreen's screen a touch screen? If not does the RemoteKeyboard have a mouse? |
| 21:07:29 | BZFlag | ts: yes mouse: no |
| 21:07:42 | edwardam | ah cool... ' |
| 21:08:13 | BZFlag | though we think there may be wireless keyboard/mouse combos that would also work with the tux |
| 21:09:50 | nikos | IR? |
| 21:09:57 | edwardam | cool. I'm finally thinkging of getting two ... Has any work been done on the DSP? |
| 21:11:58 | BZFlag | yes, keyboard is ir. please, please, please, read the wiki. It's all there. |
| 21:12:35 | edwardam | i have been. I must have missed it. |
| 21:12:46 | andersee | BZFlag: tried out my buildroot thingee yet? |
| 21:13:53 | BZFlag | not yet. |
| 21:14:04 | BZFlag | can't throw anything at you today. |
| 21:14:04 | Aelhaz | You could plug a mouse into the serial port if you really wanted to |
| 21:14:10 | Russ | a wireless webtv mouse *might* work |
| 21:14:41 | BZFlag | Russ: do you think the drivers are there now? I'll find a few and test if you think they might work. |
| 21:14:51 | Russ | no, I'd have to add that in |
| 21:14:59 | BZFlag | right. ok. |
| 21:15:10 | Russ | but you'd probably see the keyboard driver complaining about scancodes |
| 21:15:12 | Aelhaz | Russ: sejin makes a lot of ir keyboards with pointers built into them |
| 21:15:25 | BZFlag | added comments to that effect in http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view//InfraredKeyboard |
| 21:15:39 | Russ | Aelhaz: they are just webtv keyboards |
| 21:15:48 | BZFlag | Aelhaz: in fact the data sheet on this keyboard claims to have a mouse even though it does not. |
| 21:16:06 | Aelhaz | Russ: webtv oems their wireless keyboards from sejin just like nearly everyone else |
| 21:17:17 | Aelhaz | http://www.sejin.com/product/product_wkbd_standard.html |
| 21:21:31 | edwardam | is away: I'm busy |
| 21:27:32 | Aelhaz | http://www.sejin.com/product/SWK-8697WT.html <-- Have one of these at home, only settop keyboard I've ever seen that one can actually use comfortable on one's lap |
| 21:38:18 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: You got yourself in a pretty amusing utah thread on the LKML today..... :) |
| 21:44:35 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Yeah, well. Jeff 'I have two brains' Merkey bugs me... |
| 21:47:48 | Aelhaz | I'm not on LKML, what's that murky guy done this time? |
| 21:50:51 | andersee | He is in legal trouble with Novell, claims it is a threat to Linux, and somehow seems to think that polygamous mormon spliter groups are responsible or somthing. Makes as much sense as usual Jeff things do... |
| 21:51:07 | ctr | heh |
| 21:51:11 | ctr | i am in novells good book |
| 21:51:12 | ctr | s |
| 21:51:14 | ctr | infact |
| 21:51:23 | ctr | it's my gui client that they point to in their online help :) |
| 21:52:34 | andersee | cool |
| 21:52:50 | andersee | Know how to read compressed NWFS volumes? |
| 21:52:55 | ctr | nope |
| 21:53:20 | andersee | I've got a guy I know who want to figure those out... |
| 21:53:51 | andersee | I don't much care -- havn't used a novell product for about 10 years... |
| 21:53:52 | Aelhaz | andersee: very murky, as usual |
| 21:56:21 | edwardam | is back (gone 00:34:50) |
| 22:07:42 | CosmicPenguin | Anyway, it was an obscure offtopic thread to say the least..... |
| 22:11:17 | andersee | As is almost every Merkey thread I've ever read. |
| 22:49:53 | CosmicPenguin | Ok all, off to finish wm menus..... good night! |
