| 00:53:24 | Aelhaz | well, my $20 LP- |
| 00:53:28 | Aelhaz | LP-E arrived |
| 00:53:43 | Aelhaz | bonus: it's the ruggedized version |
| 01:05:54 | BZFlag | is that a bonus? I don't see much of a difference. With the "rugged" it breaks less, but replacing it means replacing the whole thing. |
| 02:12:51 | BZFlag | is flashing Linux back onto a problematic ts phone |
| 03:35:50 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: I guess that's true |
| 03:35:56 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: it looks pretty, rugged, tho |
| 03:36:00 | Aelhaz | I'll bring it to work tomorrow |
| 03:38:55 | BZFlag | cool |
| 04:44:50 | BZFlag | back to inferno, back to linux, back to inferno, back to linux, lather rinse repeat. |
| 05:12:20 | BZFlag | hmm... no ts progress. |
| 05:12:24 | BZFlag | nite all |
| 07:52:32 | Sammy | Russ : U around ? |
| 12:03:37 | boodle | Hello |
| 12:52:17 | mallum | hello (b|c)worth |
| 12:52:21 | mallum | hello nikos |
| 12:52:58 | nikos | Hi mallum |
| 13:00:11 | nikos | is away: Service Call |
| 14:50:59 | nikos | is back |
| 15:03:13 | CosmicPenguin | brb - have to reboot X |
| 15:07:01 | ctr | wb |
| 17:20:22 | nikos | ouch |
| 17:20:36 | CosmicPenguin | 4 ways? |
| 17:22:18 | blzbubba | interesting |
| 17:22:36 | dec_ | ucb? |
| 17:22:38 | blzbubba | do you have details on these 4 methods? |
| 17:22:55 | BZFlag | not yet. |
| 17:23:03 | blzbubba | is there a way to auto-detect which one works? i suppose there must be if inferno works consistently |
| 17:23:07 | BZFlag | anyone have ucb1200 data sheets? |
| 17:23:13 | CosmicPenguin | Yep... wanna DCC? |
| 17:23:27 | CosmicPenguin | <--- perusing the PDF as we speak |
| 17:23:39 | BZFlag | apparently Inferno keeps trying each method on each axis till it gets one that works. |
| 17:23:40 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: URL? |
| 17:23:47 | CosmicPenguin | wait one.... |
| 17:25:11 | CosmicPenguin | It was sent to me for a project we were doing, so I don't think I had a URL. You want I should put it on the website somewhere? |
| 17:26:54 | CosmicPenguin | Actually, here it is: |
| 17:26:55 | BZFlag | http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view/Main/TouchScreen |
| 17:26:59 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.semiconductors.philips.com/acrobat/datasheets/UCB1200_2.pdf |
| 17:27:04 | BZFlag | yep |
| 17:27:33 | Russ | calibration should be able to handle it |
| 17:27:37 | CosmicPenguin | And there you go..... :) |
| 17:28:39 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag is fast.... |
| 17:28:44 | BZFlag | heh ;-) |
| 17:28:53 | BZFlag | the wiki is your friend ;-) |
| 17:29:20 | blzbubba | the kernel should do the detection, not the calibration program |
| 17:29:38 | CosmicPenguin | So, other than the ADC, how else can you read the TS?? |
| 17:32:22 | BZFlag | blzbubba: I'm fine with the calb prog doing it if the calb will run on bootup when there is no config file, and just blast in a config when there is. |
| 17:33:06 | BZFlag | I asked shaggy what he meant and sent the datasheet reference. now I wait. ;-) |
| 17:54:26 | CosmicPenguin | What was everyones feelings about the little crosshair mouse pointer that Inferno had? Like it / dislike it / no opinion??? |
| 17:56:40 | BZFlag | yep. Like it / dislike it / no opinion. ;-) |
| 17:56:53 | blzbubba | no opinion, really. if it's not user selectable then you won't be able to please everybody |
| 18:06:50 | mallum | hi all |
| 18:07:00 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: hi |
| 18:07:28 | mallum | hi CosmicPenguin |
| 18:08:31 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Hows pyhton doing? |
| 18:08:50 | mallum | I've still got python problems - It locks up on large scripts - machine is still there, can get in through serial - memory looks fine |
| 18:10:18 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: 2.4.7 didn't have the greatest VM that the world has ever known, maybe that is contributing.... |
| 18:11:30 | mallum | I cant imagine its memory - /proc/meminfo says I've got 6megs to play with - that should be plenty for python |
| 18:13:29 | mallum | Im out of my depth here, but could it be a problem with it loading in shared binary extension librarys |
| 18:14:44 | mallum | I can run python with a -v and it lists what librarys it loading it, and then it hangs. I've only seen it load python librarys and not binary extension ones - when I know it shouldl load them |
| 18:20:32 | mallum | nope its not that, I can import them interactively ... |
| 18:27:31 | mallum | A simple script that concatates a massive string does lock it up - so maybe it is a vm issue |
| 18:27:46 | blzbubba | hello mallum |
| 18:27:59 | blzbubba | nfs going yet? |
| 18:28:05 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: What, you don't have swap turned on??? :-) |
| 18:28:21 | mallum | blzbubba: hi, too scared to try again ;) |
| 18:28:49 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: I tried to turn swap on with my microdrive, but it complained about it not having an entry in fstab |
| 18:29:04 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: thats the next thing to try I guess |
| 18:36:13 | Aelhaz | fstab is easy to fix . . . |
| 18:46:53 | mallum | I made an entry in fstab and did a mount -a , is there anything else I need to do ? |
| 18:47:44 | Aelhaz | ergh, lemme think |
| 18:47:59 | Aelhaz | you did mkswap on the partition, and the partition type is linux swap, right? |
| 18:48:10 | mallum | yep |
| 18:49:22 | mallum | cat /proc/swaps dont show anything though |
| 18:49:27 | Aelhaz | should be /dev/hdxx swap swap defaults 0 0 |
| 18:49:31 | Aelhaz | in fstab |
| 18:50:13 | Aelhaz | how about swapon -a? |
| 18:51:08 | mallum | there is no swapon .. |
| 18:51:20 | Aelhaz | that could be an issue |
| 18:51:34 | mallum | heh |
| 18:53:10 | CosmicPenguin | BB doesn't have swapon? |
| 18:54:34 | Aelhaz | sure it does |
| 18:54:40 | Aelhaz | but the bb on the phone doesn't have it compiled in |
| 18:54:59 | CosmicPenguin | oic |
| 18:55:27 | Aelhaz | also doesn't have bb-telnet compiled in . . . . . I guess that's to convince me to compile my own damn busybox |
| 18:56:04 | Aelhaz | would have added all of about 5k to the binary |
| 18:56:07 | Aelhaz | there's a bb-wget, too |
| 18:56:30 | CosmicPenguin | There a brand spanking new BB as of last week, too..... |
| 18:56:39 | CosmicPenguin | .60 IIRC... |
| 18:56:50 | mallum | theres a bb dpkg aswell ! |
| 18:57:03 | Aelhaz | CosmicPenguin: i thought 0.60 was already on these phones |
| 18:57:51 | Aelhaz | mallum: oddly, bb-nc is on the root fs |
| 18:58:56 | mallum | Aelhaz: it dont seem to do much though |
| 18:59:17 | Aelhaz | it's netcat |
| 18:59:22 | Aelhaz | I'm not sure if it works very well |
| 18:59:32 | mallum | yep, but it only has one switch |
| 19:00:01 | CosmicPenguin | AlHaz: I know that .60 came out after I put BB on my box, but I don't know about anyone else.... |
| 19:01:53 | Aelhaz | *shrug* real netcat doesn't do much |
| 19:02:16 | Aelhaz | CosmicPenguin: well, it was announced after that |
| 19:03:25 | mallum | [ot] Im off on holiday Friday ;) |
| 19:03:29 | Aelhaz | 0.60 was announced internally at lineo on the 2nd |
| 19:03:33 | Aelhaz | dunno when it went public |
| 19:04:00 | Russ | nc rullez |
| 19:04:06 | Russ | er, rulez |
| 19:04:23 | Russ | nc host port > /dev/mtdblock1 |
| 19:04:23 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: You taking your TuxScreen on vacation with you? |
| 19:04:47 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: I am banned from taking any computers with me |
| 19:05:10 | mallum | Russ: nice |
| 19:05:26 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Thats a pretty good policy actually..... |
| 19:06:33 | mallum | heh |
| 19:08:44 | CosmicPenguin | Laptop + Girlfriend + vacation = broken machine + sleeping on couch |
| 19:09:06 | mallum | gf says 'so true....' |
| 19:26:21 | Russ | hey BZFlag |
| 19:26:23 | Russ | I need to order |
| 19:26:36 | Russ | two tuxscreens (one for someone else in the dorm) and 3 nics |
| 19:27:54 | BZFlag | PayPal away. |
| 19:28:12 | Russ | are the nics pcmcia? |
| 19:28:17 | BZFlag | the nics are going fast. I suppose I could up the price so they last longer. ;-) |
| 19:28:26 | BZFlag | nics are cf with a pcmcia carrier |
| 19:29:17 | nikos | Are they hard to come by? |
| 19:29:36 | Russ | so they come with the carrier? |
| 19:30:07 | BZFlag | they are cio10t cards from Kingston. now discontinued. retal like $85 or so. they $20 is a deal. |
| 19:30:38 | nikos | true, true |
| 19:30:39 | BZFlag | Russ: yes. card, carrier, cable, manual, and driver disk (which I've never looked at) |
| 19:31:14 | BZFlag | disk says: wince,95,98 |
| 19:31:37 | BZFlag | though the generic ne2k ce driver should work. |
| 19:32:04 | Russ | can you calculate the total? (2 tuxscreens, 3 nics, ground shipping to 85281) |
| 19:32:13 | BZFlag | me can't type. s/retal/retail/ s/they \$20/the $20/ |
| 19:32:53 | BZFlag | should be like 18' 6" or so weight. |
| 19:33:19 | BZFlag | chech the calculator on usps.gov |
| 19:33:24 | BZFlag | er check even |
| 19:33:29 | BZFlag | heads to a meeting. |
| 19:38:32 | ctr | argh |
| 19:38:38 | ctr | BZFlag: please keep a nic for me |
| 19:39:25 | Aelhaz | ctr: I could have bz ship you mine, since I don't need it |
| 19:39:38 | ctr | ok |
| 19:39:41 | ctr | keep hold of it |
| 19:39:43 | Aelhaz | ok |
| 19:39:48 | ctr | i will be making an order on tuesday |
| 19:39:51 | ctr | for defiante |
| 19:39:58 | ctr | i will be wanting a phone |
| 19:40:00 | ctr | and a nic |
| 19:40:19 | ctr | so yeah |
| 19:40:21 | ctr | if you could |
| 19:40:26 | ctr | i'd be very grateful :) |
| 19:40:35 | Aelhaz | heh, ok |
| 19:40:41 | ctr | (sorry if i seem a bit abrupt i have been given some shitty news) |
| 19:41:18 | Aelhaz | no problem |
| 19:41:24 | Aelhaz | a lot of that going around |
| 19:41:26 | ctr | cheers |
| 19:41:54 | ctr | this pohone is going to keep cure my sanity |
| 19:44:39 | cworth | BZFlag: any nics left? Can I paypal you $20? |
| 19:45:14 | nikos | rush BZFlag! |
| 19:45:53 | nelson | Why are we rushing BZFlag? He doesn't have the ball. |
| 19:46:31 | CosmicPenguin | Sure he does.... about a 1000 of 'em.... |
| 19:46:36 | nikos | He's got the cheap NICs though |
| 19:46:44 | nikos | CosmicPenguin: Not of the NICs |
| 19:47:18 | CosmicPenguin | nikos: True... :) |
| 19:48:59 | nelson | So how come we don't have a .ipk for busybox? |
| 19:50:21 | mallum | I think things currently depend on functionaility bubsybox dont have |
| 20:00:20 | Aelhaz | you'd have to look at the scripts in use in familiar, and see what utilities they use, and see if they use options that work the same way in busybox, or exist in busybox |
| 20:00:33 | Aelhaz | or, just dive in and replace everything with busybox |
| 20:00:35 | Aelhaz | :) |
| 20:00:37 | Aelhaz | and see if it works |
| 20:07:15 | mallum | It would be good to do |
| 20:10:51 | Aelhaz | since the scripts are based on ash, you've at least got that going for you |
| 20:11:00 | Aelhaz | no really exotic bashisms to replace |
| 20:23:58 | mallum | I think its more with switches used on stuff like sed and tar |
| 20:24:39 | mallum | in ipkg maybe - Im not sure how bigger problem it is |
| 20:27:13 | nikos | Someone needs to just try it, it may not be that difficult to fix. |
| 21:03:16 | BZFlag | returns |
| 21:04:22 | BZFlag | cworthAWAY: paypaling a nic is fine by me. they come in boxes, but I have been taking everything out of the box and dropping it in the phoen box. that adds about 1/2 pound to the weight. |
| 21:05:27 | BZFlag | nelson: no busybox ipkg cause I never built one. no other good reason. IMHO busybox is good enough for primetime now and should be the default on familiar base kits. smaller and better featured. |
| 21:06:10 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: Has familiar moved to uclibc yet? |
| 21:06:21 | BZFlag | not that I know of. |
| 21:10:00 | BZFlag | Aelhaz: my current preferred shell is busybox ash. It does everything ash does plus command line editing and is smaller that including ash by about 30k |
| 21:10:44 | BZFlag | nikos: I have tried busybox on familiar. the only issue was some gnu sed isms in ipkg |
| 21:11:11 | boodle | Hello |
| 21:11:15 | BZFlag | there were -C tar options etc, but IIRC those have now been added to busybox and even if they have not they were easy to fix. |
| 21:11:28 | BZFlag | boodle: where are you located again? |
| 21:11:39 | boodle | BZFlag: Cincy OH |
| 21:11:44 | BZFlag | oh yeah. |
| 21:11:58 | boodle | BZFlag: May I send it in to you' |
| 21:12:30 | boodle | BZFlag: After carefully perusing the jtag info on tuxscreen wiki, I feel I'd still have problems modifying a lart jtag for it ;p |
| 21:13:46 | nikos | BZFlag: Sounds like fixable stuff |
| 21:19:01 | as_ | Id have thought it would be more a software problem than hardware. |
| 21:21:31 | BZFlag | Russ---: got your order. will ship tomorrow. |
| 21:22:03 | BZFlag | boodle: if you pay to and from shipping, I'll get a working blob on it. deal? |
| 21:22:11 | boodle | BZFlag: ok |
| 21:23:16 | BZFlag | as_: which? the ts? yes. it is a software problem as Inferno works with the ts input just fine. |
| 21:23:39 | as_ | JTAG/TAP interface. |
| 21:23:51 | BZFlag | boodle: you can leave out everything but the phone to reduce shipping cost. |
| 21:24:02 | boodle | BZFlag: yepper, will do |
| 21:24:33 | BZFlag | as_: just that the connector pins on the tux are not the same as those on the lart so a custom cable is required. |
| 21:24:43 | as_ | Ahh. |
| 21:25:13 | BZFlag | not a big deal to make, but if you don't have a working setup to compare against, it can be frustrating. |
| 21:25:20 | as_ | I'm worong in a JTAG interface for a project of my own. |
| 21:25:22 | boodle | is impressed with the tiny wire numbering on the jtag wiki pics |
| 21:25:35 | as_ | Working. |
| 21:26:04 | BZFlag | nods to boodle. glad you like it. ;-) |
| 21:26:34 | as_ | I'm having LPT problems, terminated signals are bouncing around that shouldnt be. |
| 21:26:46 | boodle | BZFlag: with my dexterity, I could successfully color one line all one color and that's about it ;) |
| 21:28:04 | boodle | though I did do the 12v stuff ok (used strips of electrical tape, no solder... had that puppy covered in it :) |
| 21:34:07 | | russ has karma of 2 |
| 21:34:07 | BZFlag | ibot: karma Russ |
| 21:35:04 | Aelhaz | russ++ |
| 21:41:55 | BZFlag | Russ---: does this -- your karma? |
| 21:41:57 | | russ has karma of 3 |
| 21:41:57 | BZFlag | ibot: karma Russ |
| 21:42:00 | BZFlag | nope. |
| 21:42:10 | BZFlag | Russ---: does this -- your karma? |
| 21:42:12 | | russ has karma of 3 |
| 21:42:12 | BZFlag | ibot: karma Russ |
| 21:42:50 | BZFlag | hey I type Russ-- and something fixed it. hmmm. |
| 21:42:55 | | russ has karma of 2 |
| 21:42:55 | BZFlag | ibot: karma Russ |
| 21:43:08 | BZFlag | so if I'm... |
| 21:43:50 | ctr | Russ++ |
| 21:43:54 | ctr | BZFlag++ |
| 21:43:55 | ctr | :) |
| 21:44:05 | | bzflag has karma of 3036873698726 |
| 21:44:05 | ctr | ibot, karma BZFlag |
| 21:44:11 | ctr | rut-rot |
| 21:44:14 | BZFlag | bummer can't set a nick of bzflag++ |
| 21:44:28 | BZFlag | ctr: heh, you gotta love owning the bot. ;-) |
| 21:44:37 | ctr | :) |
| 21:44:38 | ctr | yep |
| 21:44:47 | ctr | goner make an order tuesday btw |
| 21:44:47 | ctr | :) |
| 21:45:10 | | c has karma of 185 |
| 21:45:10 | BZFlag | ibot: karma c |
| 21:45:24 | BZFlag | now guess why that is. ;-) |
| 21:45:33 | ctr | dunno |
| 21:45:36 | ctr | oh |
| 21:45:40 | ctr | kicks ctr |
| 21:47:01 | | g has karma of 48 |
| 21:47:01 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: karma G |
| 21:47:11 | CosmicPenguin | That amuses me...:) |
| 21:47:23 | | i has karma of -1 |
| 21:47:23 | ctr | ibot: karma i |
| 21:47:32 | ctr | i++ |
| 21:47:32 | ctr | i++ |
| 21:47:33 | ctr | i++ |
| 21:47:34 | | i has karma of 2 |
| 21:47:34 | ctr | ibot: karma i |
| 21:47:37 | | ctr has neutral karma |
| 21:47:37 | ctr | ibot: karma ctr |
| 21:47:41 | ctr | w00t |
| 21:47:45 | ctr | i aint evil or good! |
| 21:52:35 | CosmicPenguin | fun with IRC bots..... |
| 21:54:08 | ctr | hehe |
| 21:54:37 | ctr | god damn |
| 21:54:44 | ctr | am lookink forward to getting phone |
| 21:57:14 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: Then are you going to fix my artwork... :-) |
| 22:00:28 | ctr | i shalt try and help out |
| 22:00:32 | ctr | :) |
| 22:00:45 | ctr | i actually had a really good idea |
| 22:00:54 | ctr | webcam + phone |
| 22:00:56 | ctr | security system |
| 22:00:58 | ctr | :) |
| 22:01:11 | ctr | port gnomemetting to it |
| 22:01:24 | ctr | video phones |
| 22:01:51 | blzbubba | i |
| 22:03:27 | ctr | i really hope the touch screen works on the one i get |
| 22:03:34 | ctr | it'll allow me to write some cool shit |
| 22:07:56 | BZFlag | really hopes to fix the ts driver for all of em soon. |
| 22:08:38 | ctr | well i can have a look if mine doesn't work |
| 22:10:57 | ctr | bbl |
| 22:28:02 | BZFlag | here. |
| 22:28:05 | BZFlag | what? |
| 22:28:20 | jaxp | hi, just some questions about tuxscreen |
| 22:28:26 | BZFlag | fire away |
| 22:28:38 | jaxp | internationa delivers are possible? |
| 22:29:13 | BZFlag | yes. 2 went off to south korea this morning. |
| 22:29:51 | jaxp | and: tha unlock flash rom procedure requires 12V every time I want to flash or just once and it keeps unlocked, I didn't get it |
| 22:30:39 | jaxp | you will have two more orders from spain this week, I hope |
| 22:33:38 | BZFlag | flash unlock only needs to be done once. |
| 22:33:53 | jaxp | ok, thanks a lot. |
| 22:33:57 | jaxp | see ya |
| 22:34:04 | BZFlag | you _could_ lock some of it again, but i never do. |
| 22:34:11 | BZFlag | cya |
| 22:34:12 | jaxp | :P |