| 00:23:23 | Sammy | hi * |
| 00:25:30 | AlHaz | hi as |
| 01:18:52 | Morn | that was fun, Norton Ghost crashed my machine big time |
| 03:38:23 | andersee | Russ: You mentioned you have a source tree somewhere? |
| 03:42:34 | Russ | of the tux kernel, yes |
| 03:48:23 | andersee | Is that posted somewhere? |
| 03:48:38 | Russ | I make releases, http://russ.dhs.org/tuxscreen.html |
| 03:49:37 | andersee | k. You mentioned the backlight fix -- included? |
| 03:49:59 | Russ | no, I can pass you a patch, its some additional ioctl's to the touchscreen device |
| 03:50:13 | andersee | mind shooting that to me? |
| 03:51:45 | andersee | I'm thinking of putting together a build system for this thing, based on buildroot.tar.gz (I put that on ftp on oss.lineo.com) |
| 03:51:47 | andersee | thx. |
| 03:52:10 | Russ | oh, all the source into a jffs2 image |
| 03:52:16 | Russ | that would be quite the build system |
| 03:53:01 | BZFlag | andersee: more useful than a SDK BSP? ;-) |
| 03:53:03 | andersee | The buildroot thingee I made already builds uClibc, then busybox, then an ext2 filesystem (bootable with the inlcuded user mode linux kernel). |
| 03:53:31 | andersee | Would be easy enough to adjust for the phone... |
| 03:53:32 | BZFlag | is flashing Inferno again... |
| 03:54:00 | andersee | BZFlag: heh. :) |
| 03:55:11 | Russ | I need to link it in with PM |
| 04:02:20 | andersee | where does one find a mkfs.jffs2? |
| 04:03:35 | Russ | debian package |
| 04:04:00 | andersee | [andersen@sage russ.dhs.org]$ sudo apt-get install mkfs.jffs2 |
| 04:04:00 | andersee | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 04:04:00 | andersee | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 04:04:00 | andersee | E: Couldn't find package mkfs.jffs2 |
| 04:04:00 | Russ | don't forget the -e 0x20000 |
| 04:04:42 | Russ | russ:~$ apt-cache search jffs |
| 04:04:42 | Russ | mtd-tools - Memory Technology Device Tools |
| 04:05:08 | andersee | ahh. Just found it on the packages cgi. |
| 04:09:10 | Russ | cgi? |
| 04:09:25 | andersee | seems I'll need to hack my device tables patch into mkfs.jffs2 (so I don't need to be root when doing mkfs, or run mknod) |
| 04:09:48 | andersee | Search Package Directories |
| 04:09:48 | andersee | @ http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 04:09:53 | Russ | oh, it doesn't bother me being root |
| 04:10:12 | Russ | you can make linuxrc genereate /dev no problem though (on first boot) |
| 04:10:36 | Russ | ....its mtd-tools.... |
| 04:11:33 | andersee | I patches up genext2fs to take tables such as: |
| 04:11:34 | andersee | #<name> <type> <mode> <uid> <gid> <major> <minor> <start> <inc> <count> |
| 04:11:34 | andersee | /dev/mem c 640 0 0 1 1 0 0 - |
| 04:11:35 | andersee | /dev/kmem c 640 0 0 1 2 0 0 - |
| 04:12:09 | andersee | Makes it easy to gen device nodes, dirs, etc, into the filesystem... |
| 04:12:14 | Russ | ah, that would be *damn* handy in mkfs.jffs2 |
| 04:12:20 | andersee | bingo. |
| 04:12:42 | andersee | imagine for example: |
| 04:12:44 | andersee | /dev/ram b 640 0 0 1 1 0 0 - |
| 04:12:44 | andersee | /dev/ram b 640 0 0 1 0 0 1 4 |
| 04:13:24 | andersee | automagically makes /dev/ram, and /dev/ram[0-3] |
| 04:13:30 | Russ | definately something that is needed in mkfs.jffs2 |
| 04:13:44 | Russ | even solves cvs problems |
| 04:13:53 | andersee | yup. :) |
| 04:13:55 | BZFlag | while you're hacking mkfs.jffs2, it need to handle hard links. |
| 04:14:10 | andersee | Does jffs2 support them? |
| 04:14:13 | BZFlag | yes |
| 04:14:25 | andersee | k. Then no problem. |
| 04:14:25 | BZFlag | just mkfs does not yet. |
| 04:14:46 | andersee | I've got some stuff I need to finish tonight. I'll have it finished for you tomorrow. |
| 04:14:58 | BZFlag | fairly big win with busybox on a 3M jffs2 partition. ;-) |
| 04:15:09 | andersee | With a spot of time, I'll even have you a build tree to check into CVS. :) |
| 04:15:33 | BZFlag | sweet. you have write to SF? what's your SF account name? |
| 04:15:40 | Russ | I plan to drop to 2M of flash at work, even with a minimal backup patition (with ftpd and a kernel) |
| 04:16:03 | andersee | none. never bothered to get one. I'll let you commit for me. |
| 04:16:54 | BZFlag | andersee is still available. ;-) |
| 04:17:14 | andersee | This will end up being a minor variation off of my buildroot.tar.gz stuff. |
| 04:17:27 | BZFlag | Russ before or after merging your blob-jffs2 patch? ;-) |
| 04:17:36 | andersee | I have another variant, which is the consulting gig I'm doing... |
| 04:18:18 | Russ | BZFlag: still waiting on erikm to start a branch... |
| 04:23:41 | BZFlag | Russ: start one yourself? erikm's been swamped lately. I don't think he'd mind. |
| 04:24:43 | Russ | yah? |
| 04:24:57 | Russ | suppose I could start with a paramater block of sorts |
| 04:25:14 | BZFlag | makes sense |
| 04:25:46 | Russ | god, the connection has been flakey all day |
| 04:26:30 | Russ | --- Ping reply from andersee : 34.94 second(s) |
| 04:30:24 | andersee | night |
| 05:02:50 | BZFlag | hmm... blob ReInferno failed. everything seemed to flash, but then no booty. |
| 05:03:23 | BZFlag | backing up failed image and reflashing over jtag. |
| 05:03:33 | BZFlag | frowns |
| 05:13:55 | BZFlag | 40% backed up... |
| 05:46:11 | BZFlag | all backed up. flashing... |
| 05:52:30 | BZFlag | wow. It didn't flash the kernel. just erased it. |
| 05:52:58 | BZFlag | hmm. or perhaps it erased the kernel partition when it installed blob? hmmm. |
| 06:40:40 | BZFlag | The other partitions are byte for byte the same. |
| 07:09:11 | ctr | good morning |
| 07:10:52 | sammy | morning... |
| 07:37:58 | BZFlag | reinstalled Inferno on a dead ts phone. ts works in Inferno. |
| 07:38:26 | BZFlag | JTAG was needed to recover from a bad kernel flash. reason unknown, news at 11. |
| 10:24:14 | ctr | is away: shower and foos |
| 11:19:50 | mallum | ho bworth |
| 11:19:56 | mallum | s/ho/hi/ |
| 11:19:58 | mallum | oops |
| 11:20:13 | bworth | mallum: hi, what's up? |
| 11:20:25 | bworth | hello everyone |
| 11:38:06 | ctr | is back (gone 01:13:52) |
| 12:31:04 | boodle | Morning |
| 12:31:09 | boodle | Russ|werk: Are you around? |
| 12:31:11 | nikos | Hi boodle |
| 12:31:24 | boodle | nikos: I fscked my tuxscreen :( |
| 12:31:32 | nikos | boodle: :( How so? |
| 12:31:58 | boodle | nikos: Put on an old blob bootloader and can't update it (jtag seems to be my only option) |
| 12:32:14 | nikos | hmmm |
| 12:32:42 | boodle | looking to buy jtag hardware (can't build my own) |
| 12:32:54 | | jtag is http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view/Main/jtag or http://www.lart.tudelft.nl/projects/jtag/ or order $20 usd dongles from http://www.aleph1.co.uk/armlinux/LART/ |
| 12:32:54 | boodle | ibot: jtag |
| 12:33:35 | | :) |
| 12:33:35 | boodle | ibot: have a botsnack |
| 12:36:59 | ctr | :) |
| 13:17:10 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: We need to bring in the pressure fix for the ucb1200 ts driver.... |
| 13:18:15 | CosmicPenguin | I have a message program (really just a paint app), and sometimes when I lift the stylus, the mouse pointer goes haywire.... |
| 13:57:44 | blzbubba | boodle ouch that is unfortunate... |
| 14:47:10 | blzbubba | how do you tell Xfbdev to use a font server |
| 14:47:31 | ctr | no idea |
| 14:49:57 | Aelhaz | it's just an xfree86 server isn't it? |
| 14:50:40 | blzbubba | yes |
| 14:50:47 | blzbubba | but it doesn't have an XF86Config |
| 14:50:57 | blzbubba | otherwise it would be easy |
| 14:52:26 | mallum | does it ignore an XF*^Config file ? |
| 14:52:57 | Aelhaz | interesting |
| 14:58:50 | ctr | uhnm |
| 14:58:53 | ctr | xset? |
| 15:00:01 | blzbubba | i was thinking it could be specified as a command line option or something. i'll have to research it; not having to put fonts on the machine will save some space |
| 15:01:36 | blzbubba | i figured out how to add XDMCP support to Xfbdev & Xipaq should anyone be interested |
| 15:02:02 | blzbubba | statically compiled it's about 1MB; it compresses down quite a bit too |
| 15:03:44 | mallum | blzbubba: you have a static xfbdev ? what host.def did you use to build it ? |
| 15:05:42 | blzbubba | well I manually did the very last gcc step |
| 15:05:47 | blzbubba | and added -static |
| 15:05:57 | ctr | hmmmm |
| 15:05:58 | blzbubba | easy to do actually |
| 15:06:10 | ctr | how tricky is it to setup a xdev enviroment for the phones? |
| 15:06:31 | blzbubba | not too bad if you have #tuxscreen to help you |
| 15:06:40 | blzbubba | are you talking about building the X server? |
| 15:06:45 | blzbubba | when you say "xdev" |
| 15:07:02 | ctr | cross-development |
| 15:07:06 | ctr | nah |
| 15:07:08 | ctr | i means |
| 15:07:08 | blzbubba | ah |
| 15:07:12 | ctr | once i get my phone |
| 15:07:16 | blzbubba | that's even easier |
| 15:07:22 | ctr | i wanna get a system up where i can develop stuff |
| 15:08:08 | mallum | blzbubba: you cross compiled X right ? but what host.def file did you use ? |
| 15:08:18 | Aelhaz | I hear most people are using ericm's toolchain, since it works & stuff |
| 15:08:22 | blzbubba | it's easy to set up an xdev envrionment for th kernel |
| 15:08:46 | blzbubba | gui dev tools aren't quite as standardized though; i'm not sure what people are using |
| 15:09:07 | blzbubba | mallum I used that last one that jg sent me; and I added a line for XDMCP and a line for FontServer |
| 15:09:23 | blzbubba | I can dcc it to you |
| 15:09:29 | Aelhaz | whatever you do, don't use codewarrior. it can't even compile vi. |
| 15:09:31 | mallum | Aelhaz: Is that the lart tool chain ? |
| 15:09:40 | mallum | blzbubba: can you /msg me it |
| 15:09:43 | Aelhaz | mallum: think so |
| 15:10:16 | mallum | blzbubba: have you recently changed your nick ? |
| 15:11:52 | ctr | what about gcc? |
| 15:13:19 | blzbubba | yeah, i was tanstaafl" |
| 15:13:29 | ctr | hmmmmmmm |
| 15:13:31 | ctr | god damn |
| 15:13:32 | ctr | excited |
| 15:13:39 | ctr | must get phone |
| 15:13:43 | mallum | blzbubba: aha , you confused me :) |
| 15:14:02 | blzbubba | sorry about that! |
| 15:16:37 | mallum | blzbubba: when you gonna try a uclibc build ? |
| 15:17:00 | ctr | how much if glibc does uclibs provide? |
| 15:17:33 | blzbubba | not sure. I built uClibc but haven't built anything with it yet. |
| 15:18:05 | blzbubba | i don't really need to conserve too much space for my application; all I need is the static Xfbdev & maybe some fonts |
| 15:18:22 | ctr | yeah |
| 15:18:25 | ctr | you running nfs? |
| 15:18:56 | blzbubba | no |
| 15:19:04 | blzbubba | i tested it though |
| 15:19:09 | ctr | k |
| 15:19:11 | ctr | see |
| 15:19:22 | ctr | when i get mine i'll nfs mount the little contraption |
| 15:19:23 | ctr | :) |
| 15:19:24 | blzbubba | i just need the kernel to boot & start X; it fits easily |
| 15:19:41 | ctr | it's got 2mb of flash hasn't it? |
| 15:19:42 | blzbubba | yeah, nfsroot is cool. |
| 15:19:48 | blzbubba | 4mb flash I believe |
| 15:19:54 | ctr | 4mb? |
| 15:19:57 | ctr | how much ram? |
| 15:20:01 | ctr | and can it be extended? |
| 15:20:08 | blzbubba | it can be extended to 40MB |
| 15:20:31 | Aelhaz | we haven't figured out 40 megs of ram yet tho |
| 15:20:36 | blzbubba | I am not sure what they come with, 8 or 16 maybe; might even be 12 |
| 15:20:46 | Aelhaz | they come with 16 |
| 15:20:51 | Aelhaz | eight onboard, eight on an sodimm |
| 15:20:59 | ctr | cool |
| 15:21:15 | Aelhaz | inferno also accepts a 32 meg sodimm, the blob doesn't currently see the 32 meg sodimm as 32 megs |
| 15:22:50 | ctr | no? |
| 15:23:02 | Aelhaz | I don't understand the question. |
| 15:23:33 | ctr | it's a "how come it doesn't see it?" compressed to a "no?" |
| 15:23:33 | ctr | :) |
| 15:23:50 | Aelhaz | if we knew that it'd be fixed by now |
| 15:23:58 | ctr | he |
| 15:28:18 | CosmicPenguin | You know what would be a cool accessory - A barcode scanner..... |
| 15:28:30 | blzbubba | cuecat |
| 15:29:00 | blzbubba | serial is the only real way to hook up a peripheral, isn't it |
| 15:29:03 | blzbubba | apart from pcmcia that is |
| 15:29:46 | CosmicPenguin | blzbubba: Got a serial->PS2 adapter laying around back there? |
| 15:30:12 | blzbubba | those only work with mice, don't they |
| 15:30:25 | CosmicPenguin | blzbubba: Why would it matter? |
| 15:30:36 | Aelhaz | they only work with mice |
| 15:30:44 | Aelhaz | and only with mice designed to work with them |
| 15:30:55 | Aelhaz | the PS/2 port is TTL, the serial port is not |
| 15:31:00 | CosmicPenguin | AlHaz: Ahh.... |
| 15:31:12 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, then, scratch that.... |
| 15:31:15 | Aelhaz | serial mice and ps/2 mice use different clocks, different signals, and different voltages |
| 15:31:31 | Aelhaz | the adapters jumper a few lines that tell the chip in the mouse to switch to serial mode |
| 15:32:00 | Aelhaz | adapters from, say, microsoft, generally won't work on, say, logitech mice. |
| 16:07:58 | CosmicPenguin | Microwindows screenshots are coming soon..... |
| 16:15:38 | andersee | Did you get viewML running then? |
| 16:15:52 | andersee | NFS mounted? |
| 16:19:28 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Surf with IP address only, but it all fits on the flash |
| 16:22:33 | andersee | cool. static glibc? |
| 16:22:36 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: cool |
| 16:32:34 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: static glibc...... :( |
| 16:35:03 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: when are we going to see shots :) |
| 16:50:43 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: Keith told me that he e-mailed me the shots, but he lied! I will have to attack him when he gets back from lunch..... |
| 16:52:35 | ctr | haha |
| 17:54:13 | CosmicPenguin | AlHaz: You seen Tim today? |
| 17:56:15 | andersee | is working from home today -- hasn't seen Tim |
| 17:56:19 | nikos | Anybody know if there's been any increase in interest due to the post on hh.org? |
| 18:10:14 | CosmicPenguin | http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/Main/MicrowinScreenshots |
| 18:11:00 | ctr | *amble |
| 18:11:54 | ctr | *drool |
| 18:24:35 | nikos | BZFlag: Hello, have you noticed any increased traffic due to the link on hh.org? |
| 18:33:50 | BZFlag | yes. 4 going out today. thanx! |
| 18:34:29 | andersee | drop one at my desk too -- I forget to get one yesterday.... |
| 18:34:33 | andersee | :-) |
| 18:35:17 | BZFlag | has no jtag extras |
| 18:37:09 | ctr | BZFlag: where should i go about obtaining a jtag ? |
| 18:37:52 | BZFlag | try aleph1 i the uk or holly gates. |
| 18:38:19 | Aelhaz | someone can probably buy mine |
| 18:38:34 | ctr | k |
| 18:38:50 | ctr | two days |
| 18:38:52 | ctr | then i get paid |
| 18:38:53 | ctr | :) |
| 18:39:07 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: I stuck some screenshots in /img/microwin... if that pisses you off, let me know and I will move them to another server... |
| 18:39:52 | boodle | BZFlag: I e-mailed aleph1 this morning.. |
| 18:40:29 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: nope. that pleases me. ;-) rock on. |
| 18:40:48 | BZFlag | boodle: cool. let me know what they say. |
| 18:41:03 | boodle | BZFlag: will do (so far nothing ;p) |
| 18:41:34 | ctr | are jtags hard to come by? |
| 18:42:18 | andersee | BZFlag: any way to loop mount a jffs2 fs? |
| 18:42:29 | BZFlag | ctr: just a low margin product so not many folks are stocking the parallel port dongle. |
| 18:42:40 | ctr | BZFlag: fair enough |
| 18:42:51 | BZFlag | andersee: you need blk2mtd.o from the mtd cvs tree. |
| 18:43:20 | andersee | ahh. |
| 19:06:59 | keithp | Hi all |
| 19:07:20 | nikos | Hi keithp |
| 19:07:34 | keithp | howdy |
| 19:14:37 | CosmicPenguin | Keith! Whats going on? |
| 19:17:04 | keithp | :) |
| 19:17:15 | keithp | Thought I'd see if anybody else tried Microwindows |
| 19:17:25 | nikos | <CosmicPenguin> http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/Main/MicrowinScreenshots |
| 19:18:17 | keithp | I just saw em, I'm the one that took the pictures |
| 19:18:22 | nikos | Oops, yeah. ;) |
| 19:19:42 | ctr | keithp: you the X hack0r of the same name? |
| 19:20:08 | keithp | no that's Keith Packard I'm Keith Pettit |
| 19:20:18 | ctr | ok |
| 19:20:19 | ctr | :) |
| 19:21:22 | CosmicPenguin | Keith may be alot of things, but he is definately not an X hack0r.... :) |
| 19:21:42 | keithp | that is true |
| 19:22:51 | ctr | hehe |
| 19:23:07 | ctr | rthose shots looked quite smart |
| 19:29:02 | mallum | hi |
| 19:29:11 | nikos | Hey mallum |
| 19:29:16 | nikos | <CosmicPenguin> http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/Main/MicrowinScreenshots |
| 19:30:41 | mallum | wow, thats really quite impressive |
| 19:31:10 | ctr | wasaat? |
| 19:31:15 | BZFlag | heh: http://www.eclipse.net/~shaggy/shannon.html <- see the Linux link ;-) |
| 19:32:02 | mallum | BZFlag: any closer on the ts problems ? |
| 19:32:17 | mallum | ctr: http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/Main/MicrowinScreenshots |
| 19:32:20 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: you really should hide the philips logo. ;-) |
| 19:32:55 | BZFlag | mallum: I reinstalled Inferno (failed, but I recovered with jtag) and the ts does work on that unit. |
| 19:33:09 | BZFlag | Now I'll go back to Linux again and start debugging it. |
| 19:33:45 | BZFlag | I'm wondering if it has something to do with the status of "ts feedback" under Inferno before you flash linux. |
| 19:33:45 | mallum | BZFlag: so we know its definetly a software issue then |
| 19:34:02 | BZFlag | as we are not setting up the DSP yet, it may be trying to talk to it and hanging. |
| 19:34:20 | BZFlag | don't know exactly how the Inferno screen touch beeping is accomplished. |
| 19:34:43 | BZFlag | yess. definitly a sw issue. |
| 19:34:50 | BZFlag | er, yes even. |
| 19:35:10 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: You want me to go in and "erase" the logo? |
| 19:38:28 | mallum | nikos: have you ever seen python print what looks like wierd debugging info on start up |
| 19:38:57 | mallum | nikos: about 4 sets of 'pdg=ox23791' like stuff |
| 19:39:10 | nikos | mallum: No, I haven't seen that. |
| 19:39:19 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: I get the same thing witth ViewML.... |
| 19:39:33 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: what wierd like memory addresses ? |
| 19:41:13 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: could it be something to do with jffs ? |
| 19:41:20 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: its definately a kernel thing |
| 19:42:15 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: well done on the microwindows stuff - looks really nice |
| 19:44:03 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: if you get a minute, yes. I suppose I should erase the original I put up too. ;-) |
| 19:45:21 | mallum | original ? |
| 19:46:24 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: Will do. I also stuck a penguin sticker on my device so that won't happen again.... :) |
| 19:48:23 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: Is the part number ok, or should I get rid of that too? |
| 20:04:49 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: Phillips logo has been removed..... |
| 20:06:44 | keithp | CosmicPenguin: Nice job |
| 20:07:30 | ctr | logo from wherE |
| 20:08:24 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: What logo????? I didn't see a logo, did you? :) |
| 20:08:29 | ctr | hehe |
| 20:08:32 | ctr | the sshot? |
| 20:12:59 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: Yep.... a little cut'n'paste action.... |
| 20:13:08 | ctr | yeah just lookin now |
| 20:15:54 | mallum | cworth: now replace it with an atari logo :) |
| 20:16:11 | mallum | s/cworth/Cosmicpeguin/ |
| 20:16:18 | Aelhaz | hey, when is someone going to get MAME working on one of these? :) |
| 20:16:27 | ctr | hahaha |
| 20:16:29 | ctr | cool idea |
| 20:16:30 | ctr | mame |
| 20:16:33 | ctr | palm emulator |
| 20:16:54 | mallum | Aelhaz: Im thinking snes9x and a stinger joystick in the serial port |
| 20:17:11 | ctr | oh kick arse |
| 20:17:16 | ctr | snes |
| 20:17:18 | ctr | hnmmmmm |
| 20:17:20 | ctr | cool cool |
| 20:17:23 | ctr | drools |
| 20:17:53 | CosmicPenguin | AlHaz: I have mame for Microwindows, but I'll need to track down a CF because its too big for the flash...... |
| 20:18:16 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: flash is really cheap atm |
| 20:18:21 | ctr | $100 for 128MB |
| 20:18:27 | ctr | infact |
| 20:18:36 | ctr | i might grab one of those aswell as the network card |
| 20:18:48 | Aelhaz | more like $50 for 128mb |
| 20:19:10 | CosmicPenguin | AlHaz: With adapter? |
| 20:19:18 | Aelhaz | CosmicPenguin: no, not with the adapter |
| 20:19:26 | Aelhaz | but those are relatively easy to come by |
| 20:19:40 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: how many slots doesit have? |
| 20:19:53 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: How many slots does what have? |
| 20:20:06 | ctr | the phone |
| 20:20:08 | Aelhaz | two |
| 20:20:09 | ctr | cf slots |
| 20:20:11 | ctr | ok |
| 20:20:14 | Aelhaz | two 3.3v pcmcia slots |
| 20:20:19 | ctr | so i could put some flash in it and a network card? |
| 20:20:19 | Aelhaz | CF cards work in adapters in them |
| 20:20:31 | ctr | how much are the adapters? |
| 20:20:35 | Aelhaz | cf->pcmcia adapters are almost an empty box, they're very cheap. I paid $8 for my last one. |
| 20:20:51 | CosmicPenguin | Seesh - My mame version is .37 and they just released .52 today. I guess I've gotta upgrade..... |
| 20:21:25 | CosmicPenguin | AlHaz: CompUseless has 'em, but the only store that has 'em in stock is the Orem store.... |
| 20:21:40 | ctr | has anyone looked at porting DirectFB to the arm kernel and running microwindows on top of it? |
| 20:23:46 | Aelhaz | CosmicPenguin: I live in Orem, right near CompUseless, but i never shop there . . . |
| 20:23:47 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: URL for DirectFB? |
| 20:23:47 | ctr | www.directfb.org |
| 20:23:47 | Aelhaz | well, i occasionally browse their closeout stuff |
| 20:25:26 | | It's great to be back. I missed this place! |
| 20:25:26 | nikos | ibot: wb |
| 20:27:04 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: part number is fine. |
| 20:27:40 | Aelhaz | i better have working power outlets when i get home . . . |
| 20:27:45 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: the advantage of directfb is that gtk runs on it perfectly |
| 20:27:58 | CosmicPenguin | Is it ironic or funny that you need gunzip to get to the zlib source code???? |
| 20:28:37 | ctr | hmahah |
| 20:29:20 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: It seems that directfb is more a peer of Microwindows than a potential target... you agree? |
| 20:29:20 | nikos | not distributed as tar.Z? |
| 20:29:29 | Aelhaz | hey, you need a compiler to build gcc . . |
| 20:30:20 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: I got zlib compiled - you want it ? |
| 20:30:40 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: You are about 30 seconds too late, the compile just ended..... :) Thanks anyway! |
| 20:31:10 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: heh, its a pretty strait forward compile anyway |
| 20:31:18 | CosmicPenguin | We need to give andersee all the binaries we have been building, so he can add them to a thirdparty list so others wouldn't have to do this.... |
| 20:31:50 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: yes, it would be cool to have a uclibc debian repository |
| 20:32:37 | ctr | ewps |
| 20:32:38 | ctr | :) |
| 20:32:41 | ctr | hrmmm |
| 20:32:43 | ctr | so much stuff to do |
| 20:43:22 | mallum | hmmm Python is being wierd - works fine interactively but seems to lock up the tux when ever I try and run an actual python script |
| 20:44:10 | ctr | well |
| 20:44:18 | ctr | first thing i wanna get compiled and built for it is ferite |
| 20:45:05 | mallum | I've never really checked out ferite |
| 20:45:25 | mallum | what makes it suck less than other languages ? |
| 20:45:38 | ctr | uhm |
| 20:45:41 | ctr | it's tiny foot print |
| 20:45:56 | ctr | small memory usage |
| 20:46:01 | ctr | object poriented |
| 20:46:15 | ctr | pretty much java c and perl |
| 20:46:19 | ctr | clean |
| 20:46:25 | ctr | youshould take a peak at |
| 20:46:33 | ctr | http://dox.ferite.org/manual.pdf |
| 20:53:19 | mallum | hates pdf's :( |
| 20:58:30 | ctr | pdfs rock |
| 20:58:41 | ctr | because how you see the on the scren is how they print out |
| 20:58:42 | blzbubba | pdfs are the worst |
| 21:02:24 | Aelhaz | unless you use xpdf, which uses display fonts |
| 21:14:56 | CosmicPenguin | Hehe.... my screensaver screwed up, and now its playing missile command in my root window.... :) |
| 21:19:13 | ctr | hahahaha |
| 21:34:55 | mallum | I just find pdf's clunky and difficult to read |
| 21:35:21 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Would you perfer .docs? |
| 21:35:59 | CosmicPenguin | ... :) |
| 21:38:10 | ctr | hehe |
| 21:38:53 | ctr | pdfs are good |
| 21:38:53 | ctr | because they are good to print out |
| 21:38:53 | ctr | but |
| 21:38:54 | ctr | ferte docs will soon be html'sed |
| 21:42:15 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: No sys/soundcard.h???? |
| 21:43:09 | CosmicPenguin | Argh - I just spent the last 30 minutes editing the wrong tree.... :) |
| 21:57:04 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: html is fine |
| 22:06:23 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: you ok now then? (shouldn't be a sys/soundcard.h in uClibc) |
| 22:12:40 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Ok, I hacked the file instead... sorry to bother you... :) |
| 22:21:22 | mallum | hmmm, need strace or something to figure out why python locks up |
| 22:23:09 | mallum | python seems to work fine for small scripts and in interactive mode, but locks up with bigger scripts |
| 22:24:14 | ctr | whats the memeory useage? |
| 22:25:19 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, then... off to add many fixes to the window manager... good night all! |
| 22:25:36 | mallum | I cant get a tty to check, guess I'll have to plug in the serial port |
| 22:26:23 | mallum | Im guessing the screen has no swap so could it lock up if memory was exauhsted ? |
| 22:27:09 | ctr | yes |
| 22:31:25 | mallum | is there a command to measure the amount of memory an app uses other than top ? |
| 22:34:57 | mallum | ok bedtime ... |
| 22:40:06 | joev | Anyone home? |
| 22:40:29 | joev | hrm. |