| 01:40:07 | Alehaz | cio10t arrived, as did me sodimm |
| 01:40:51 | BZFlag | sweet. mine's still not here. |
| 01:50:31 | Alehaz | I'm still waiting for the $20 LP-E |
| 01:53:28 | Alehaz | Thought up a couple concepts for easier-to-use flash unlocking jigs |
| 01:54:25 | Alehaz | first, something along the same lines as we have now, except on cardstock or something to give it a little more mass, very thin wires, and a chunk of foam rubber - put it in place and close the hatch |
| 01:55:27 | Alehaz | second, you'd have to be gentle when using it, but i could carve an sodimm blank out of old credit card stock, and use that to center the pins and hold 'em down to the points |
| 01:55:28 | Morn | returns. |
| 02:01:13 | Alehaz | Morn: how's your tux? |
| 02:01:36 | Morn | It's just sitting here running the default OS... I'm not sure I can manage the install |
| 02:02:13 | Alehaz | oh, it's not that hard |
| 02:02:33 | Alehaz | on the other hand, I've only really watched people do it :) |
| 02:02:49 | Morn | Well, it looked a little confusing to me, I'm a software hacker, not a hardware hacker |
| 02:02:51 | Alehaz | unlocking the flash and installing the blob is the hard part, the rest is easy |
| 02:03:06 | Alehaz | what's confusing about it? maybe we can clear things up for you |
| 02:03:32 | Morn | just what I have to do to install the new rom... I don't have a spare car battery, heck I don't even have a car |
| 02:04:05 | Alehaz | oh, you don't need a car battery. We use eight AA batteries in a big holder. You could probably get away with a brand new 9v battery. |
| 02:04:41 | Morn | let me pull up the web page again... and see if it makes more sense |
| 02:04:58 | Morn | My room mate thinks I'm nuts for trying to put linux on a phone |
| 02:05:04 | Alehaz | heh |
| 02:05:13 | Morn | well, she also thinks I'm nuts for wanting to put it on my pocketpc |
| 02:06:24 | Alehaz | well, these flash chips have a feature that you can write-protect parts of them to keep people from accidentally writing over them, which is usually a good idea - I lobotomized two ppc boards at work before we found a bug in the flash code we were using |
| 02:06:42 | Alehaz | just wrote right over the boot loader, which was inexplicably in the top 1 meg instead of the bottom 512k |
| 02:06:48 | Morn | expensive bricks huh? |
| 02:07:05 | Alehaz | heh, they'll be ok after we get a jtag programmer hooked up to 'em |
| 02:07:34 | Morn | Is it possible to connect the TuxScreen to a network? |
| 02:07:37 | Alehaz | anyway, the chips won't unlock the protected chunks without 12v applied to particular pins |
| 02:07:53 | Alehaz | and there's no 12v supply in the system, so we apply it at those two points |
| 02:08:10 | Alehaz | Yeah - there's a list of supported pcmcia network cards at the url in the topic |
| 02:11:17 | Alehaz | hi bmidgley |
| 02:11:21 | bmidgley | hi |
| 02:11:38 | bmidgley | news? |
| 02:12:01 | Alehaz | blob doesn't understand 32 meg sodimms yet |
| 02:12:08 | Alehaz | kingston cio10t is verified working |
| 02:12:49 | Morn | can I ask some more questions? |
| 02:14:22 | Alehaz | sure |
| 02:14:39 | Morn | do I have to build this JTAG device or can I order it? |
| 02:14:52 | Alehaz | You can do either, but tim doesn't have any to sell right now |
| 02:15:17 | Alehaz | you don't need jtag unless you somehow render the phone unbootable |
| 02:15:33 | Morn | Oh, I thought you needed that from the begining |
| 02:15:39 | Morn | I guess I'm confused |
| 02:18:50 | Alehaz | well, we used to need it |
| 02:19:00 | Alehaz | but we figured out how to install the blob by using inferno |
| 02:20:10 | BZFlag | we really should debug the inferno net code so we can install without it. |
| 02:20:20 | Morn | ahh it mentions that at the bottom of the page |
| 02:20:45 | Alehaz | dangit, where did i put my sodimm . . . |
| 02:21:41 | BZFlag | heh, I lost mine 2 or 3 times today. I decided I'd better get a bit more organized. |
| 02:21:57 | bmidgley | i do that a lot |
| 02:22:06 | bmidgley | i need fewer places to put things |
| 02:24:33 | Morn | I don't see a free version of inferno on the vitanuova website |
| 02:25:23 | Alehaz | BZFlag: I haven't even opened the bag yet . . . |
| 02:25:58 | Alehaz | found it . . . why the hell did i put it there . . |
| 02:26:58 | BZFlag | http://cgi.www.vitanuova.com/cgi-bin/www.vitanuova.com/idown.pl |
| 02:28:28 | Alehaz | When i'm thinking about too many things at once, I lose things in odd places |
| 02:28:39 | Alehaz | found my checkbook in the vegetable crisper in my fridge, once |
| 02:29:31 | Alehaz | I live alone, so, it must have been me . . |
| 02:30:00 | Morn | is downloading it now, may take a while with dual ISDN. |
| 02:30:11 | Morn | re's Tim |
| 02:30:44 | BZFlag | Morn: you got that link? |
| 02:30:54 | BZFlag | http://cgi.www.vitanuova.com/cgi-bin/www.vitanuova.com/idown.pl |
| 02:31:34 | Morn | Tim: YEah, downloading now, thought it will take a while at ISDN speeds |
| 02:32:02 | BZFlag | as I said, we need to duplicate the protocol in a small c app. |
| 02:32:23 | Morn | Ugh, the install instructions link is not valid |
| 02:33:59 | Alehaz | best i can figure, I came home from the grocery store, and, well, unpacked everything into the fridge. surprised my keys weren't in the freezer, all things considered. |
| 02:34:11 | Morn | giggle |
| 02:38:49 | Morn | does anybody know if the linksys pcmcia ethernet card works? it is supported by linux (x86 at least) |
| 02:40:31 | Alehaz | Morn: unfortunately there are dozens if not hundreds of linksys pcmcia ethernet cards, nearly all if not all of them work in linux, but the pcmcia slots in the tuxscreen have special needs |
| 02:40:55 | Morn | tries to figure out which one she has. |
| 02:41:21 | Alehaz | Morn: Try whatever you have and see if it works, then check the list on the wiki page for stuff that's known to work |
| 02:42:14 | Alehaz | cardbus cards - you can tell at a distance if they're cardbus because they have a gold connector - won't work. shouldn't even fit. |
| 02:42:16 | Morn | it's a PCM100, looks like that one works, I'll get another |
| 02:42:29 | Alehaz | We're not *certian if the pcm100 works yet, actually |
| 02:42:39 | Alehaz | a guy at lineo has a few, we're going to try and test them real soon now |
| 02:42:40 | Morn | ah |
| 02:43:37 | Morn | I was thinking about the PCM100 because I can walk around the corner and get one at Office Depot |
| 02:45:11 | Alehaz | yeah, that'd be convenient |
| 02:46:20 | Morn | Ok, and I need a null modem, I lost mine a while ago |
| 02:47:53 | Morn | does radio shack have null modems? |
| 02:48:14 | Alehaz | they probably do |
| 02:48:44 | BZFlag | no flow control, so just pin 2 and 3 are required. more will work though. |
| 02:49:23 | Morn | Ok... I'll get that tomorrow, other than unlocking the flash this doesn't look hard |
| 02:52:52 | Morn | wow, this new printer is so much better than my old one, it does color in one pass instead of 3 |
| 02:56:48 | Morn | any one have the link for ulocking the flash, I seem to have lost the page |
| 02:57:04 | BZFlag | bunch of te-cf100's on ebay buyitnow for $45.99 |
| 02:57:33 | BZFlag | http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view//FlashUnlock |
| 02:59:08 | Morn | thanks got it. |
| 02:59:14 | Morn | gets excited. |
| 03:01:16 | Morn | hmmm for some reason the text on that page doesn't 'flow' properly so when I printed it the edge got cut off |
| 03:09:06 | BZFlag | Morn: I made a minor html edit just now. It might be better, or perhaps not. |
| 03:10:53 | Morn | trying again, I was trying to edit the html in vim to just print out the text :-) |
| 03:13:13 | Morn | to get the sboot prompt you reset hit escape then ctrl-a? |
| 03:17:36 | BZFlag | that's for remote prompt yes. local prompt is esc ctrl-p |
| 03:19:07 | Morn | big warning about non authorized personnel :-) |
| 03:22:37 | BZFlag | heh |
| 03:22:54 | BZFlag | I hereby authorize you to do this on your own phone. ;-) |
| 03:23:05 | Morn | giggle |
| 03:23:14 | Morn | installing inferno now |
| 03:24:23 | BZFlag | I suppose we'll have to make a Linux 2.4.8-ac9-rmk1-np1-tux1 now. sheesh |
| 03:24:56 | Morn | got enough -'s in there? |
| 03:28:24 | Morn | ok, inferno seems to work... |
| 03:35:24 | Alehaz | np1? |
| 03:37:31 | Russ | nico |
| 03:37:35 | Russ | sa11000 stuff |
| 03:37:42 | Russ | BZFlag: ok.... |
| 03:38:10 | Alehaz | ah |
| 03:39:10 | Morn | hmmm the silly phone keeps wanting to download software... |
| 03:40:33 | BZFlag | Russ: yeah, that's it. that sa11000 support. ;-) |
| 03:40:47 | BZFlag | Morn: esc then 2 |
| 03:42:14 | Morn | ok, that worked, is this stuff documented anywhere? I didn't get a manual |
| 03:45:33 | Morn | Is there a mailing list for TuxScreen? |
| 03:45:40 | Russ | yes |
| 03:45:42 | Russ | on sf.net |
| 03:47:34 | Morn | Ok, subscribing now |
| 03:50:30 | Morn | Well, I seem to have everything I need to get started tomorrow, I'll get the null modem, pcmcia card, and figure out how to apply 12v to the thing |
| 03:53:20 | BZFlag | it's all in the wiki. ;-) even the esc - 2 fix. though it takes some searching to find it sometimes. |
| 16:43:24 | Aelhaz | http://we.areb.org/~alhaz/busted.jpg <-- Don't do this |
| 16:45:42 | Aelhaz | how do i add a picture to the wiki? |
| 16:47:03 | nikos | Aelhaz: You could alway <img src="http://we.areb.org/~alhaz/busted.jpg"> |
| 16:48:57 | mallum | ouch |
| 16:50:33 | Aelhaz | mallum: could be worse, it's still partially holding on |
| 16:50:40 | Aelhaz | makes it easier to glue |
| 16:54:11 | mallum | Anyone here good with nfs and debian ? |
| 16:57:37 | mallum | I can mount my desktop from my laptop |
| 16:57:59 | mallum | by the tux just waits for ever when I try to mount |
| 16:58:04 | mallum | s/by/but/ |
| 16:58:41 | mallum | using mount -o nolock 10.6.1.128:/home/mallum /mnt |
| 17:00:47 | mallum | can ping ok from tux too - anybody any ideas ? |
| 17:01:45 | Aelhaz | I've noticed that linux nfsd often won't export to something it can't resolve to a hostname |
| 17:02:14 | Aelhaz | add the tux to /etc/hosts, reload nfsd, try again |
| 17:02:31 | mallum | okey dokey |
| 17:04:49 | BZFlag | Aelhaz: do you have a SF account? |
| 17:06:43 | BZFlag | Aelhaz: ericjorg? I added it to the SF project, now you can upload your images there if you want. |
| 17:08:13 | BZFlag | To add an image to a wiki page, just insert the url into the text. If it is an image it will get autoinlined. |
| 17:11:55 | mallum | doh ... it still dont wanna mount :( |
| 17:14:19 | BZFlag | mallum: try restarting nfs server: /etc/init.d/nfs-*-server restart |
| 17:14:44 | BZFlag | I have to do that on my laptop after pcmcia ethernet starts up sometimes. |
| 17:14:45 | mallum | BZFlag: I have , I can mount from my laptop ok |
| 17:15:06 | BZFlag | your laptop have dns/rdns? and does the tux? same network? |
| 17:15:13 | mallum | yep |
| 17:15:18 | BZFlag | got a default route on the tux? |
| 17:15:23 | mallum | yep |
| 17:15:30 | BZFlag | got dns on the tux? |
| 17:15:37 | mallum | no |
| 17:15:51 | mallum | will add that |
| 17:19:45 | BZFlag | just got his cio10t ;-) |
| 17:20:05 | mallum | Apart from the serial cable is there any other ways to copy files to the tux ( still not luck with nfs ) |
| 17:22:03 | mallum | hmmm, I've added a resolv.conf but I cant seem to ping any hostnames .... but can ping by ip |
| 17:23:37 | BZFlag | double check routes |
| 17:23:43 | BZFlag | route -n |
| 17:23:54 | BZFlag | what card are you using? |
| 17:24:05 | mallum | cio10t |
| 17:24:14 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: My routes were not setting up right - had to do it by hand.... |
| 17:24:17 | mallum | busybox's route dont like -n |
| 17:24:20 | BZFlag | heh. I'll tell ya in a minute if it works for me. |
| 17:24:30 | mallum | can ping ok |
| 17:24:35 | BZFlag | by name? |
| 17:24:49 | BZFlag | can you ping the nameserver by number? |
| 17:24:55 | mallum | I just did an ifconfig 10.6.1.123 netmask 255.255.255.0; route add default gw 10.6.1.1 |
| 17:25:06 | mallum | BZFlag: yep local and remote |
| 17:25:59 | BZFlag | do ifconfig 10.6.1.123 netmask 255.255.255.0 up to be sure. |
| 17:28:47 | BZFlag | is flashing another phone to test cio10t on. |
| 17:28:47 | mallum | still no joy :C - this is wierd ... |
| 17:29:16 | CosmicPenguin | wb ibot... :) |
| 17:30:06 | | It's great to be back. I missed this place! |
| 17:30:06 | BZFlag | ibot: wb |
| 17:32:26 | CosmicPenguin | Our buddy ibot doesn't check the whole string, huh? |
| 17:32:58 | BZFlag | his nick must be at the start of the line if he is not in chatty mode. |
| 17:33:31 | BZFlag | flash ramdisk image takes to long... ;-) |
| 17:33:32 | mallum | BZFlag: 1 small request , could you put the source of the 0.3 root jjfs images up for download ? |
| 17:33:33 | Aelhaz | Oh, ok, thanks |
| 17:33:46 | BZFlag | mallum: it's on Russ' page. |
| 17:34:07 | BZFlag | Aelhaz: huh? lag much? |
| 17:34:16 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: was doing something else |
| 17:34:19 | Aelhaz | brainlag |
| 17:34:43 | mallum | BZFlag: yes I downloaded one of russes untarred it, bit it didn't look much like the current filesystem - it was also a few days older than the 0.3 images |
| 17:35:15 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: ROute says something like .. |
| 17:35:29 | BZFlag | ah. perhaps Russ didn't upgrade the tarball then. I guess I can do that sometime soon. |
| 17:35:40 | mallum | dest/gateway/genmask/flags/metric/ref/use/iface |
| 17:36:04 | mallum | 10.6.1.1/*/255.255.255.0/U/0/0/0/eth0 |
| 17:36:39 | mallum | default/10.6.1.1/0.0.0.0/UG/0/0/0/eth0 |
| 17:36:48 | mallum | if that makes any sense ... ;) |
| 17:37:26 | BZFlag | hmm... didn't boot. |
| 17:38:55 | boodle | BZFlag: congrats!! |
| 17:39:25 | boodle | BZFlag: (the xwindows running I mean :) |
| 17:40:22 | BZFlag | boodle: thanx. many folk contributed. Russ did much of it. |
| 17:40:56 | boodle | Excellent!! Now that my laptop is stable (new hdrive) I'll have to throw 12v on my tuxscreen :) |
| 17:45:06 | BZFlag | # mount -o nolock laptop.rikers.org:/tftpboot /mnt |
| 17:45:06 | BZFlag | # |
| 17:45:14 | mallum | BZFlag: I gotta go, if you have any luck mounting with a cIO10T could you drop me a mail - breakfast@10.am ? |
| 17:45:15 | BZFlag | mallum: works for me. |
| 17:45:19 | mallum | :( |
| 17:45:35 | mallum | what nfs server are you running - kernel based ? |
| 17:45:54 | mallum | Im pretty sure I have the userspace one here, maybe thats it |
| 17:46:00 | BZFlag | I just installed the 0.3 stuff on a new phone. added cio10t.conf and kill -HUP cardmgr. |
| 17:46:18 | BZFlag | inserted the card, added the ip, route and resolv.conf and did the mount. |
| 17:46:34 | BZFlag | user based nfs server on 2.4.7 kernel. |
| 17:46:36 | mallum | did you add the ip same as me ? |
| 17:46:50 | mallum | and just echo'd a nameserver line into resolv.conf |
| 17:46:56 | mallum | BZFlag: same as me - ouch |
| 17:47:09 | mallum | I got Python compiled today and wanted to test |
| 17:47:09 | BZFlag | ifconfig eth0 192.168.87.6 up ; route add default gw 192.168.87.1 |
| 17:47:40 | BZFlag | my network has forward and reverse DNS for those IPs |
| 17:57:39 | BZFlag | hmm... /me is not getting ts input now either. |
| 17:58:03 | Morn | sigh, I got the wrong serial cable |
| 17:59:21 | BZFlag | great. apt-get is updating libc6... |
| 18:00:02 | boodle | BZFlag: ts working too? wow, sounds like you guys have it all |
| 18:01:03 | Russ|werk | hmm...win9x dhcp lies.... |
| 18:01:22 | Russ|werk | claims it can receive unicast packets, but it can't |
| 18:02:01 | Russ|werk | boodle: need to talk to the dsp, which controls the phone |
| 18:02:37 | boodle | Russ|werk: yepper.. that'd be the tough one. is someone working on a driver for it? |
| 18:03:24 | Russ|werk | boodle: I am, its a bit difficult, since both sides of the bus are implemented mainly with gpio'l |
| 18:03:29 | Russ|werk | er, gpio's |
| 18:03:57 | Russ|werk | I haven't written any code yet, still reading |
| 18:04:01 | boodle | Russ|werk: ugh.. I know precious little about arm stuff but have run into gpio a bit.. v. 'fiddly' |
| 18:04:31 | Russ|werk | well, dsp's have a lot of general puprose pins |
| 18:05:05 | boodle | Russ|werk: do you have decent docs on the dsp at least? |
| 18:06:03 | cworth | BZFlag: so do you have a tuxscreen X server binary? or, better, a host.def and any docs. on required fiddling? |
| 18:06:28 | Russ|werk | boodle: yes, but its the firmware on the DSP that controls most of it |
| 18:06:41 | BZFlag | cworth: I can't seem to get back to the point where the ts is working. ;-( |
| 18:06:49 | boodle | Russ|werk: ah ok.. precious little there I guess |
| 18:07:40 | andersee | Umm. whats a "ts"? |
| 18:07:47 | Aelhaz | touch screen |
| 18:07:54 | andersee | ahh. |
| 18:08:04 | andersee | thwaps self on head |
| 18:09:15 | cworth | BZFlag: hrm... OK. Keep us posted of course. :) --- I really hope to start contributing soon, (I'll have to write that fb-based recognition program I promised). |
| 18:09:55 | BZFlag | Russ: something is flakey with the ts driver. I can't get it to work on this box either. |
| 18:10:12 | BZFlag | I'll try rebooting. |
| 18:15:42 | blzbubba | another broken touch screen, oh no |
| 18:15:55 | blzbubba | well not broken; but non-responsive |
| 18:16:34 | blzbubba | mallum are you around? i just got my kingston |
| 18:16:58 | mallum | yep |
| 18:17:00 | mallum | just |
| 18:17:03 | blzbubba | I should have saved the transcript from yesterday to see what you went through |
| 18:17:13 | mallum | I put it on the wiki |
| 18:17:20 | mallum | see the PCMCIA page |
| 18:17:22 | blzbubba | ah, excellent. |
| 18:17:30 | blzbubba | was yours a CF card with a pcmcia jacket |
| 18:17:40 | mallum | yep |
| 18:20:02 | mallum | is getting driven mad by nfs problems :( |
| 18:20:41 | blzbubba | hmm, I get shannon_pcmcia_configure_socket(): CS asked for 5V, applying 3.3V.. |
| 18:20:43 | blzbubba | shannon_pcmcia_configure_socket(): Warning, Can't perform reset |
| 18:22:06 | blzbubba | must the card be inserted before booting up? |
| 18:23:41 | CosmicPenguin | blzbubba: Standard error, no worries.... |
| 18:23:49 | CosmicPenguin | Or rather, standard warning.... |
| 18:24:00 | blzbubba | cool: eth0: NE2000 Compatible: io 0xf7000300, irq 48, auto xcvr, hw_addr 00:C0:F0:60:0 |
| 18:24:11 | blzbubba | plenty of IRQ's, eh |
| 18:26:51 | blzbubba | ping is a success! |
| 18:27:04 | nikos | is away: Errand |
| 18:27:07 | blzbubba | no netstat utility though; hmm |
| 18:30:01 | CosmicPenguin | Ok - So looking at the list of symbols from ViewML - It appears that gethostbyname() calls something called nscd_gethostbyname.... is that familiar to anyone? |
| 18:49:25 | mallum | when I do a netstat on the nfs host it shows the tux nfs link but the State is SYN_RECV - rather than ESTABLISHED |
| 18:49:31 | mallum | anyone know what that means ? |
| 18:51:19 | blzbubba | X with xdmcp is a success |
| 18:51:28 | blzbubba | now I just need the darn touch screen to work |
| 18:51:47 | cworth | blzbubba: great! |
| 18:52:11 | mallum | blzbubba: Icool, does that mean you got nfs to work ?? |
| 18:53:10 | blzbubba | mallum well nfs doesn't use TCP so perhaps that's what's happening? |
| 18:53:43 | mallum | ? I thought nfs was TCp ? |
| 18:54:26 | blzbubba | usually not |
| 18:54:38 | blzbubba | i thought someone made a tcp version but it was never widely used |
| 18:55:36 | mallum | blzbubba: but you got nfs working ? |
| 18:56:29 | blzbubba | haven't tried it yet |
| 18:56:47 | blzbubba | i'm really only interested in making it an X server at this point |
| 18:57:03 | mallum | uh ok |
| 18:57:03 | blzbubba | how hard is it to get nfs going? |
| 18:57:22 | mallum | I think Im gonna give up for now. Maybe have more luck tommorow |
| 18:57:33 | mallum | blzbubba: I never really had any problems before |
| 18:58:05 | mallum | blzbubba: BZFlag has the same set up and it worked for him no problem |
| 18:58:32 | mallum | I may try again later ... |
| 18:58:40 | mallum | thanks all for your help |
| 19:03:12 | blzbubba | no luck on nfs |
| 19:03:19 | blzbubba | mount hangs |
| 19:03:30 | blzbubba | but it does at least authenticate at the server |
| 19:04:46 | boodle | For the solder inept (me!), is it really difficult to flash tuxscreen ? |
| 19:05:26 | blzbubba | you don't need to solder anything unless blob is hosed |
| 19:05:47 | boodle | blzbubba: don't you need to apply 12v to put on blob ? |
| 19:05:56 | blzbubba | yeah but you don't need to solder it |
| 19:06:20 | blzbubba | you just need to have someone hold it on the contact for a couple of seconds |
| 19:06:27 | blzbubba | while you type the command(s) |
| 19:06:37 | boodle | blzbubba: ok. snds ok. read the soldering bit on the inferno section of the wiki |
| 19:07:30 | blzbubba | hmm, i need the nfs client utiltie(s) |
| 19:07:54 | blzbubba | ah wait, after a significant timeout, it looks like nfs worked |
| 19:08:55 | boodle | blzbubba: did you try mounting with '-o nolock' option ? |
| 19:09:37 | blzbubba | much better |
| 19:09:42 | boodle | :) |
| 19:09:56 | blzbubba | thanks!! we'll have to let mallum know next time we see him |
| 19:10:25 | boodle | just came up on #ipaq mailing list.. iirc, you need /sbin/portmap to allow file locking... |
| 19:13:58 | BZFlag | justdeals.com has the cio10t for 13.95 |
| 19:14:12 | BZFlag | Should I order a bunch and bundle them? |
| 19:16:25 | cworth | BZFlag: <ignorance> what's the cio10t? </ignorance> |
| 19:23:34 | CosmicPenguin | cworth: short answer... nic card |
| 19:24:21 | cworth | CosmicPenguin: thanks. I had no idea PCMCIA nic cards had gotten so cheap. |
| 19:24:40 | cworth | BZFlag: makes sense to me to have it bundled. |
| 19:26:06 | CosmicPenguin | cworth: It may be a CF card, I don't recall (and I'm too lazy to look it up... :) ) |
| 19:27:56 | | i heard cio10t was known to be detailed at http://www.kingston.com/compactio/CIO10T.asp |
| 19:27:56 | boodle | ibot: cio10t |
| 19:35:12 | blzbubba | it is a cf card |
| 19:35:15 | blzbubba | and it includes the jacket |
| 19:35:23 | blzbubba | man I got ripped off on ebay |
| 19:35:44 | blzbubba | i thought $25 was such a killer deal. |
| 19:36:20 | blzbubba | bzflag how is your touch screen issue coming? |
| 19:37:04 | CosmicPenguin | blzbubba: Maybe we should stick a few printks in the TS interrupt handler on your box..... |
| 19:37:46 | blzbubba | not a bad idea. i'll have to start compiling. what do I need for the backlight control? |
| 19:38:07 | CosmicPenguin | I've got the diff, I'll put in the regular spot... |
| 19:38:29 | CosmicPenguin | In a sec, that is.... |
| 19:39:10 | blzbubba | you guys are kinda swamped; this play stuff can wait |
| 19:39:17 | blzbubba | unless you have some free time |
| 19:45:31 | CosmicPenguin | blzbubba: This play stuff is my only path back to sanity.... |
| 19:46:38 | blzbubba | what about widespread panic this weekend |
| 19:51:01 | BZFlag | just cleaned em out of cio10t's |
| 19:51:25 | BZFlag | blzbubba: no luck on the ts hacking. have to compile in some debug stuff and test later today. |
| 19:51:56 | BZFlag | blzbubba: retail on the cards was like $79 do $25 is a good deal. ;-) |
| 19:52:43 | blzbubba | yeah, i'm not complaining really. great job finding justdeals.com's deal |
| 19:54:05 | CosmicPenguin | blzbubba: Thats this weekend? When and where? |
| 19:54:19 | blzbubba | sunday at that big festival in huntsville |
| 19:54:31 | blzbubba | it might just be one of the members of wsp though |
| 19:58:06 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: How many did they have? |
| 19:58:45 | CosmicPenguin | blzbubba: Only one? Thats no fun (unless its the drummer...) |
| 19:59:03 | blzbubba | bass! schools owns |
| 19:59:12 | blzbubba | schools is a rock star |
| 19:59:54 | blzbubba | you can check it out on jambase. i'm glad this isn't too off topic |
| 20:00:02 | nikos | is back |
| 20:00:08 | BZFlag | I picked up 11. I just called em on the phone and they will sell me another 50 at that price. |
| 20:02:45 | | I'm having a RELIGIOUS EXPERIENCE ... and I don't take any DRUGS |
| 20:02:45 | Aelhaz | yow |
| 20:03:00 | bworth | bzflag: cool, so when I order my tuxscreen next week, you can bundle a cf nic with it? |
| 20:03:04 | Aelhaz | zippy just makes an irc channel complete |
| 20:03:16 | | CosmicPenguin: pas de quoi |
| 20:03:16 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: thanks |
| 20:03:40 | BZFlag | bworth: that's the idea. ;-) |
| 20:03:48 | Aelhaz | does this one have the homer simpson database? |
| 20:03:49 | Aelhaz | DOH! |
| 20:03:53 | Aelhaz | guess not |
| 20:04:07 | bworth | sounds good - i'll get with you next week - i'm outta here - bye all |
| 20:04:10 | | BZFlag: sorry... |
| 20:04:10 | BZFlag | ibot: zippy |
| 20:04:15 | | I'm wet! I'm wild! |
| 20:04:15 | BZFlag | ibot yow |
| 20:04:18 | Aelhaz | Yow! |
| 20:04:41 | Aelhaz | hmm, quipu is more easily triggered, but then again, we prefer quipu that way |
| 20:04:55 | | CONGRATULATIONS! Now should I make thinly veiled comments about DIGNITY, self-esteem and finding TRUE FUN in your RIGHT VENTRICLE?? |
| 20:04:55 | BZFlag | yow |
| 20:07:44 | BZFlag | bbiab |
| 20:08:56 | blzbubba | foo |
| 20:09:02 | | Foo you!!! |
| 20:09:02 | blzbubba | ibot: foo |
| 20:09:17 | BZFlag | bar |
| 20:09:26 | nikos | baz |
| 20:22:24 | BZFlag | andersee is fixing uclibc bugs next to me. |
| 20:22:41 | BZFlag | "oh, that's a clear bug" he says with glee. |
| 20:23:21 | BZFlag | orders another 50 cio10t cards... |
| 20:23:36 | CosmicPenguin | At least its smaller than libc.... :) |
| 20:24:33 | BZFlag | he says he has stdc++ working on m68k |
| 20:24:54 | BZFlag | says the arm ctr0 needs a bit of hacking and then it should work here. |
| 20:25:53 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: Thats good news. I can't seem to get the toolchain to build for some reason.... :( |
| 20:26:08 | BZFlag | against uclibc? |
| 20:26:47 | BZFlag | andersee is rebuilding gcc on uclibc as we speak. |
| 20:27:02 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: That was my intent, but then it barfed on me with the regular skiff too. It tries to run the cross compiler on some assembly file and gets very annoyed... |
| 20:27:14 | CosmicPenguin | I thought I applied all the patches, but I guess I didn't.... |
| 20:27:45 | BZFlag | andersee is running into "issues" and hence fixing uclibc bugs. |
| 20:31:35 | CosmicPenguin | Thats always a plus..... |
| 20:33:44 | CosmicPenguin | Argh! Can't I build nscd without having to rebuild all of glibc???? |
| 20:36:02 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: If I can do any sort of voodoo, rain dance or other incantations to help andersee sucessfully build c++ on uclibc, make sure you let me know, OK? |
| 20:39:10 | BZFlag | check the crt0 m68k stuff and port it to the arm crt0, that's all that is needed. |
| 20:39:24 | BZFlag | or x86 etc. |
| 20:46:45 | CosmicPenguin | Thats assuming you can build the toolchain, which i can't... |
| 20:47:09 | BZFlag | the normal arm toolchain should build uclibc. |
| 20:47:39 | BZFlag | just get the m68k stuff ported and erik should have the uclibc toolchain ready shortly. |
| 20:49:02 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, I'll do my best.... |
| 20:57:58 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: Ask him if the atexit section from the m68k crt0.S needs to be brought over as well... |
| 21:03:29 | BZFlag | erik's looking. We assume it needs to be for c++ destructors. |
| 21:22:24 | Russ|werk | going well? |
| 21:25:22 | Russ|werk | BZFlag: whats with the netcards? and what clear bugs is erik fixing? tell him linuxthreads would be appreciated |
| 21:26:29 | Russ|werk | hey erik |
| 21:26:57 | andersee | hey |
| 21:27:19 | andersee | hows it goin? |
| 21:27:31 | BZFlag | Russ: I ordered 11 of the cio10t cards. I have one here and it works. I'm looking at ordering 50 more |
| 21:28:43 | nikos | BZFlag: Whenever I get around to it I would certainly take a pair of bundled Shannon and nic card combos. |
| 21:29:05 | Russ|werk | BZFlag: net cards was what I was waiting for |
| 21:29:18 | Russ|werk | I'll see if anyone else in the dorm wants a tuxscreen |
| 21:29:27 | Aelhaz | if somebody wants a CIO10T *right *now, they can have mine for what i paid for it, $14 plus i forget what in shipping |
| 21:29:45 | Aelhaz | I guess. I mean, since i don't need it at all |
| 21:29:53 | Russ|werk | BZFlag: what did you pay, $25? |
| 21:29:53 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: I think I have all the stuff i need from crt0...... |
| 21:30:19 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Did you every get utmpd built? |
| 21:30:25 | Russ|werk | andersee: have you ever attempted to add linuxthreads? |
| 21:30:55 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: never attempted, It isn't really affecting anything |
| 21:32:25 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Ok, just wondering.... I need nscd too, until this C++ thing gets resolved... |
| 21:34:00 | CosmicPenguin | This trendnet NIC looks kind of cool with the LCDs in the clear dongle free attachment.... very futuristic... |
| 21:34:42 | CosmicPenguin | s/LCDs/LEDs |
| 21:35:19 | Aelhaz | CosmicPenguin: it sort of aesthetically matches the rest of the phone . . . |
| 21:35:51 | CosmicPenguin | Aelhaz: It does.... I like it alot, plus it works great.... :) |
| 21:38:17 | Aelhaz | CosmicPenguin: Yeah :) |
| 21:41:54 | Aelhaz | CosmicPenguin: somebody must have given them a great deal on pc mount LEDs |
| 21:43:00 | Aelhaz | nobody's added CIO10T to the "Working Cards:" list |
| 21:44:51 | CosmicPenguin | I wonder if the tuxscreen would be a good freeciv platform? |
| 21:46:07 | Russ|werk | low res |
| 21:46:29 | blzbubba | how about battleship |
| 21:49:48 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: :) |
| 21:49:51 | andersee | too bad the tuxscreen doesn't have a builtin camera -- would make a nice video phone |
| 21:50:03 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Thats not a half bad idea.... |
| 21:50:26 | blzbubba | how much does a camera capable of 640x480 cost |
| 21:51:01 | BZFlag | they couldn't find 50 of em. I got 25 cio10t's at 13.95 + shipping. |
| 21:51:07 | andersee | I could get one for my parents (live 200 miles away) and with VOIP we could chat for cheap... :) |
| 21:51:15 | andersee | err. 2000 miles. |
| 21:51:50 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: my parents only live 200 miles away, and I would probably do a VOIP/video connection too... :) |
| 21:52:04 | BZFlag | I plan to bundle them for $20 to those interested. I'll even throw em in the same box so that you don't have to pay extra shipping. |
| 21:52:36 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: You looking to sell more TuxScreens? I could announce it on the microwindows mailing list if you want.... |
| 21:52:56 | BZFlag | andersee: are there any scsi cameras? I suppose a serial would work, but be slow. |
| 21:53:05 | blzbubba | usb probably |
| 21:53:48 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: over 1000 left. annouce away. point them to the wiki for any questions and my wiki page for ordering info. that way as any new issues arise I can just add comments on the page. |
| 21:54:18 | CosmicPenguin | Ok... I don't want to have to make you quit your job and spend all day mailing tuxscreens around the world...:) |
| 21:57:39 | andersee | BZFlag: I donno of any, but there probably are... |
| 21:57:41 | Aelhaz | There are scsi cameras, but nobody knows how to *use them . . . |
| 21:58:09 | Aelhaz | Logitech did a scsi camera for HP years ago, it was a flop, so lots of surplus vendors have them lying around |
| 21:59:49 | Aelhaz | http://www.best.com/~dgjoseph/wpics/17503.jpg |
| 21:59:59 | Aelhaz | www.halted.com sells them for $20 |
| 22:00:46 | Aelhaz | there are good serial cameras - the WinCam is a good one, has open source drivers, I know the author, but they aint cheap |
| 22:00:56 | CosmicPenguin | Speaking of VOIP, any news on the DSP front? |
| 22:01:10 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: I'm looking at it |
| 22:01:16 | Aelhaz | didn't moberg suggest that a parallel port camera could be hacked onto it? |
| 22:01:23 | andersee | I know I'd sure like to have my phone back doing tone dialing... |
| 22:02:01 | blzbubba | aelhaz I'm wary of any product that starts with "Win" |
| 22:02:03 | CosmicPenguin | I would like to have a caller id app..... |
| 22:03:14 | CosmicPenguin | And then I need something that sends a mild shock back to telemarketers, and I would be in business... :) |
| 22:04:06 | Aelhaz | blzbubba: oddly enough it was designed for use with macs originally |
| 22:04:19 | Aelhaz | higher speed serial ports, yaknow |
| 22:06:25 | BZFlag | blzbubba: no usb on the phone. |
| 22:06:55 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: Do we have access to the speaker via the UCB1200, or does the phone system monopolize it? |
| 22:07:16 | BZFlag | Aelhaz: now we need a cheap pcmcia scsi card. |
| 22:07:38 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: we believe we have access, but the DSP needs to route the pins there. |
| 22:07:51 | CosmicPenguin | Ok.... |
| 22:08:46 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: cheap pcmcia scsi cards don't exist :) |
| 22:09:03 | Aelhaz | well, that's not true, but i did pay $40 for my NEC oem'd adaptec card |
| 22:09:25 | Aelhaz | which isn't what I'd call cheap, but by normal standards i guess it is |
| 22:13:49 | CosmicPenguin | Anyone celebrating the 10th anniversary of linux tommorrow? |
| 22:15:00 | andersee | I think I'll celebrate by throwing out all the ancient computer crap in my garage. :) |
| 22:15:39 | BZFlag | ok, what about a pcmcia parallel port card and a parallel port camera? |
| 22:17:19 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: was refering to mark oberg's comments on the "applications" page, where he says: |
| 22:17:21 | Aelhaz | Video Phone with whiteboard capability |
| 22:17:23 | Aelhaz | The main board of the TuxScreen device has an unused buffered parallel interface which could be used to interface with a Connectix or equivalent video input device. |
| 22:18:14 | BZFlag | not sure we have the docs needed to get that up and running yet. |
| 22:18:18 | andersee | Arn't those just GPIO pins? Would have to write a parport driver to make it go, and be handy with a soldering iron to connect anything I expect... |
| 22:18:28 | BZFlag | perhaps |
| 22:18:40 | Aelhaz | andersee: well, not all that handy |
| 22:19:14 | Aelhaz | there are pcmcia video capture cards . . . dunno if they'll do 3.3v |
| 22:19:29 | Aelhaz | Philips makes one that has linux support, "vidium traveler" or something |
| 22:19:42 | andersee | Tim is laughing since we are chatting online, rather then turning our heads to 30 degrees it takes (since we are sitting about 8 feet from each other) |
| 22:22:13 | Russ|werk | there aren't many spare gpio's |
| 22:26:48 | CosmicPenguin | ViewML isn't resize correctly...... |
| 22:27:21 | Aelhaz | http://www.laptopmania.com/video/pwi1007.shtml <-- Not Cheap |
| 22:28:05 | Aelhaz | hmm, some other place has it for $70, still not cheapo |
| 22:28:37 | andersee | still $70 is a lot closer then $366 to feasibilty |
| 22:28:42 | Aelhaz | yeah |
| 22:28:48 | Aelhaz | looking for an actual vendor tho |
| 22:28:54 | Aelhaz | it was a site saying it can be had for $70 |
| 22:29:01 | Aelhaz | $366 is the "kit" |
| 22:31:04 | BZFlag | http://www.winnov.com/products/discontinued/vidcamtraveler.htm $299 sugested retail for the pcmcia version. discontinued. |
| 22:32:16 | BZFlag | http://shop.store.yahoo.com/vidstreaming/vidtrav20.html <- order $269 |
| 22:32:50 | Aelhaz | yeah, I'm looking for the discontinued version |
| 22:35:47 | Aelhaz | bah, I don't care. |
| 22:36:25 | CosmicPenguin | Whiteboard wouldn't be too difficult though.... |
| 22:37:26 | CosmicPenguin | Somebody told me that the Inferno image could do whiteboard stuff through the POTS while you are talking.... |
| 22:37:42 | CosmicPenguin | I don't know how, but thats was the rumor... |
| 22:41:53 | BZFlag | talking ro pacmag on the phone to see $$ |
| 22:51:58 | BZFlag | Aelhaz: the 2.0 is discontinued now as well. |
| 22:52:06 | BZFlag | pacmag says $149 |
| 22:52:10 | BZFlag | eekk... |
| 22:52:16 | BZFlag | $249 typo. |
| 22:52:17 | Aelhaz | heh |
| 22:52:23 | Aelhaz | yuck |
| 22:52:31 | BZFlag | yeah. |
| 22:52:32 | Aelhaz | the WinCam is available for as little as $300 |
| 22:52:42 | andersee | latr all |
| 22:52:45 | BZFlag | cya |
| 22:53:00 | CosmicPenguin | Bye folks, happy hacking.... |
| 22:58:27 | Russ|werk | home |
| 22:58:28 | Aelhaz | it's 6pm on a friday and i just started xcompiling glibc. I'm gonna go home. |
| 23:20:52 | | On the other hand, life can be an endless parade of TRANSSEXUAL |
| 23:20:52 | bmidgley | yow |
| 23:21:13 | | FOOLED you! Absorb EGO SHATTERING impulse rays, polyester poltroon!! for ARTIFICIAL FLAVORING!! |
| 23:21:13 | bmidgley | yow |
| 23:27:28 | | Hello. I know the divorce rate among unmarried Catholic Alaskan females!! |
| 23:27:28 | Russ | yow |
