| 00:00:31 | Russ | ok, the serial flash (likely the 512k chip), and the DSP are both connected to the SPI port |
| 00:00:46 | nelson | That's what the block diagram says. |
| 00:01:21 | Russ | I don't see the serial eeprom on the cave drawings (aka block diagram) |
| 00:03:10 | BZFlag | IC208 by the sa1100 |
| 00:04:25 | BZFlag | bottom right. |
| 00:04:51 | BZFlag | oh, you're looking for the DSP rom chip. duh. |
| 00:06:04 | BZFlag | there is a rom/flash1/flash2 right by the dsp. looks external to the dsp chip, but on the module. |
| 00:09:23 | BZFlag | well headed home |
| 00:32:56 | Sammy | hi * |
| 03:14:29 | Russ | hey Sammy |
| 03:15:09 | Russ | BZFlag: I mean the serial eeprom on the mongoose, little 8 pin thing |
| 03:39:17 | phr | hi |
| 03:39:39 | BZFlag | there are some dsp (mongoose) schematics linked from the LucentDSP page. |
| 03:40:32 | BZFlag | I'm sure someone has more detailed schematics, but we have not obtained it yet. |
| 03:40:53 | phr | i'm still confused... do you think the audio goes into the lucent dsp and comes out again before the sa1100 can see it? |
| 03:41:55 | BZFlag | I think the DSP is linked in through the SPI and that the DSP will sample it and transfer it over that channel. |
| 03:42:13 | phr | SPI? |
| 03:42:35 | phr | inferno does sound pretty nice |
| 03:42:57 | BZFlag | uh... serial bus. don't recall what the letters stand for, |
| 03:43:33 | phr | if inferno source code is available (or might become available) that runs the audio chips, that may solve the mystery |
| 03:44:28 | BZFlag | for $500 / year you can get Inferno source, and someone should be able to provide the shannon (tuxscreen) sections of the code. |
| 03:44:53 | BZFlag | I know vita nouvo [sp?] has the source. |
| 03:45:15 | phr | hmmm |
| 03:45:25 | phr | i don't want to pay that much personally, but i know someone who might |
| 03:47:03 | BZFlag | I don't have a subscription, so I don't know. But I did aquire some o the code. |
| 03:54:16 | Phondew | It's a nice toy, though it dosen't appear terribly useful until you can hack the dsp |
| 03:55:04 | phr | the strongarm is fast enough that you can do your own signal processing on it. so if there's canned modem code that runs on the lucent dsp, that's enough for a voip application |
| 03:55:56 | Phondew | what's the processor clocked at BZ? |
| 03:55:56 | BZFlag | phr: and ethernet cards work in the pcmcia slots. |
| 03:56:23 | phr | bzflag that's a good point, you can probably use a pcmcia modem |
| 03:56:28 | BZFlag | 196 Mhz now. spec is 133, but it should be able to do 220 Mhz without any issues. |
| 03:58:03 | BZFlag | Got a shipment going out tomorrow morning. ;-) |
| 03:58:32 | BZFlag | actually no pressure. I ship phones out most every morning these days. |
| 03:58:58 | phr | are you in the bay area bz? |
| 03:59:21 | BZFlag | Orem, UT |
| 03:59:25 | phr | ok |
| 03:59:33 | BZFlag | address on the TimRiker wiki page. |
| 03:59:47 | BZFlag | My brother is in Milpitas. ;-) |
| 03:59:57 | phr | heh that's where i am :) |
| 04:01:03 | Phondew | Vita Nuova dosen't make any mention of DSP drivers built into Inferno... Could it be something Philips wrote themselves? |
| 04:01:24 | BZFlag | yes. the DSP code was just for the shannon. |
| 04:01:47 | BZFlag | but they have the driver code. I don't think they have the DSP firmware source though. |
| 04:02:27 | Phondew | So in order to hack the DSP we'd most likely need inside info on a product that never even went mass market... ew. |
| 04:04:43 | phr | phondew it sound so important to hack the dsp, if there's a way to bypass it... just use a pcmcia modem |
| 04:05:42 | Russ | all the audio is generated and read by the ucb1300 |
| 04:05:51 | phr | ucb1300? |
| 04:05:56 | Russ | however, the DSP decides where the audio goes and comes from |
| 04:06:07 | Phondew | Yeah, I suppose you could use the processor as a replacement for the DSP, but that wouldn't be particularly efficient |
| 04:06:08 | Russ | phr: its a very standard chip |
| 04:06:15 | Russ | phr: with good linux support |
| 04:06:27 | phr | re tim |
| 04:07:11 | BZFlag | has a flakey eth cable... |
| 04:08:18 | Phondew | Has anyone ever removed the RF shield to get the exact model info off the DSP? |
| 04:08:58 | Russ | Phondew: yah |
| 04:09:08 | BZFlag | picture is in the wiki |
| 04:09:10 | Russ | its the wrong side of the circuit board |
| 04:09:41 | BZFlag | http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view//UnderRFShield |
| 04:10:24 | Russ | desolder that yet? |
| 04:10:41 | BZFlag | not yet. started, but it's slow going. |
| 04:10:55 | Russ | do you have braid? |
| 04:11:13 | BZFlag | yeah, and a simple sucker too. |
| 04:11:30 | Russ | so...which bus on the SA1100 would be the SPI bus? |
| 04:11:35 | BZFlag | deep pins though. |
| 04:12:07 | BZFlag | I have not looked at the sa1100 data sheet for that. |
| 04:12:09 | Russ | serial port 1? |
| 04:12:15 | Russ | nothing is called SPI |
| 04:12:44 | BZFlag | one is labeled high speed or data path or something. could be serial 1 |
| 04:12:54 | Russ | well |
| 04:12:57 | Phondew | I'm tempted to get one just to try my hand at hacking the DSP |
| 04:13:02 | Russ | serial port 4 is for the ucb1300 |
| 04:13:10 | Russ | serial port 3 is the standard serial port |
| 04:13:18 | Russ | serial port 2 is for the keyboard |
| 04:13:32 | Russ | serial port 0 is the UDC (probably unused |
| 04:13:35 | BZFlag | Phondew: at $99 it's tough to go wrong. I've seen the panels for $140 as pulls. |
| 04:13:47 | BZFlag | UDC? |
| 04:13:53 | Russ | usb endpoint |
| 04:14:14 | BZFlag | I thought the 1100 didn't have any USB till rev C or so? |
| 04:14:40 | Russ | It had major problems in early revs iirc |
| 04:15:06 | AlHaz | usb has major problems in sa1110 still . . . |
| 04:15:19 | BZFlag | ah, so perhaps it's there, but non functional. ok. |
| 04:16:12 | Phondew | When you guys say "SPI" what are you referring to? A Serial/Parallel interface? |
| 04:16:29 | Russ | its what the block diagram calls it |
| 04:16:36 | Phondew | Ah |
| 04:17:04 | BZFlag | I don't recall the meaning, but many of the embedded systems have this. it's a high speed serial bus. |
| 04:17:44 | Russ | its also called SSP |
| 04:18:02 | BZFlag | serial peripheral interface. |
| 04:19:10 | Phondew | sounds more logical, since I don't think these phones have a parallel port :) |
| 04:19:23 | BZFlag | SSP=synchronous serial port |
| 04:24:09 | BZFlag | Russ: my 32M and 64M sodimms are on the way. |
| 04:25:13 | Russ | oh |
| 04:25:16 | Russ | thats why |
| 04:25:21 | Russ | its not connected to any serial port |
| 04:25:28 | Russ | its done completely with gpio's |
| 04:26:07 | BZFlag | that's gotta be slow, no? |
| 04:26:42 | Russ | probably not, just more work for the CPU |
| 04:27:14 | BZFlag | hmm |
| 04:27:14 | Phondew | but in the case of these, the CPU isn't intended to have a great deal of work to accomplish |
| 04:27:24 | BZFlag | true |
| 04:27:42 | Russ | we'll see |
| 04:27:49 | Russ | I need to look up the specs for the bus |
| 04:28:00 | Russ | print out the 1650 manual, and the serial flash manual |
| 04:28:09 | Russ | need more paper.... |
| 04:28:45 | Russ | so first I need to make a layer to send to/from the serial port |
| 04:28:48 | Phondew | I'm led to wonder what affect overclocking the processor might have on the io bus |
| 04:28:58 | Russ | none really |
| 04:29:06 | Russ | you contol all the IO timings yourself |
| 04:29:11 | BZFlag | Phondew: shaggy had it running at 206 under inferno and all was well. |
| 04:29:24 | Phondew | Russ: ah, beautiful |
| 04:29:24 | Russ | the cpufreq patches automatically adjust all the timings |
| 04:29:35 | Russ | right now, its running at 196Mhz |
| 04:29:47 | Russ | iirc |
| 04:30:30 | Phondew | I haven't spent too much time purusing the docs yet, so I'm just thinking out loud |
| 04:31:04 | Russ | full hardware suppport shouldn't be too difficult |
| 04:31:34 | Russ | changing dsp firmware to do other things (ie, CID in the UK) may be more difficult |
| 04:33:30 | BZFlag | agreed. |
| 04:33:47 | Phondew | Hrm, If I had $99 laying around that I wasn't spending on my iPaq I'd probably be interested in this |
| 04:34:33 | BZFlag | if you didn't pick up an ipaq you could get more than one tux and net cards for them too. ;-) |
| 04:34:58 | Phondew | I already have an iPaq |
| 04:34:59 | BZFlag | but they won't fit in your pocket. |
| 04:35:11 | BZFlag | bbiab |
| 04:35:18 | Phondew | I just ordered a dual pcmcia jacket for it though :) |
| 04:36:04 | phr | i just got an ipaq for $150 |
| 04:36:15 | phr | (3135 monochrome model unfortunately) |
| 04:36:25 | phr | http://www.nightsong.com/phr/ipaq.html |
| 04:36:31 | dec | cheap |
| 04:36:43 | phr | it's a great deal but i can't believe how bad the screen is |
| 04:36:45 | Phondew | I wish I had gotten a mono ipaq, but when I got my color they weren't the bargain they are now |
| 04:37:03 | Phondew | That bad eh? |
| 04:37:09 | Russ | BZFlag: whats going on with the net card ordering? |
| 04:37:18 | phr | phondew i got the mono because i want to run audio or unattended applications but if i wanted to use it as a pda i'd be screaming |
| 04:37:26 | phr | it's practically unreadable |
| 04:37:39 | Russ | I plan to order another tuxscreen, so if some are being ordered....I could order two along with the other tuxscreen and save on shipping |
| 04:37:56 | phr | phondew how much is the dual pcmcia sleeve? |
| 04:38:16 | Phondew | $200 |
| 04:38:29 | Phondew | not a bad deal considering the single slot pcmcia is $150 |
| 04:39:10 | phr | $200 sounds like an awful deal considering the ipaq itself was $150 :( |
| 04:39:23 | Phondew | Though people have been exaggerating the size of the jacket a lot lately... it adds some serious bulk to the iPaq |
| 04:40:45 | Phondew | Your iPaq, mine's color and cost considerably more :) |
| 04:41:19 | Phondew | The single slow PCMCIA sleeve cost as much as your iPaq |
| 04:41:36 | phr | is the double sleeve faster than the single one somehow?! |
| 04:41:56 | Phondew | No, not that I can tell or have heard |
| 04:42:19 | phr | hmm it looks like 3650's are closing around $400 on ebay |
| 04:42:20 | Phondew | The main benefit (besides being able to use two cards at once) is the second battery |
| 04:44:25 | phr | yeah i think i'll try to get by without it. i'm on the cheap these days |
| 04:44:57 | Phondew | Hell, I wish I could've gotten a mono iPaq for $150 when I bought mine, would've left me with more money for accessories |
| 04:45:43 | phr | phondew you REALLY don't want a mono ipaq, if you have to look at the screen more than every now and then. it's MUCH worse than a monochrome pilot or hp 200lx screen. it's no wonder they discontinued it. |
| 04:46:35 | phr | if i'd bought mine to use as a pda, i'd have taken it back to the store immediately. |
| 04:47:02 | Phondew | I'll take your word for it, I wouldn't have thought they were that different |
| 04:47:15 | phr | maybe mine is worse than the rest of them, but man, it is BAD. |
| 04:47:58 | phr | phondew are you running linux? |
| 04:48:44 | Phondew | For the time being |
| 04:49:20 | phr | steadph, if you want to use it as a pda, don't even think of the 3150, the mono screen is absolutely awful. the color one is great. |
| 04:49:55 | phr | phondew, come to #ipaq |
| 04:50:02 | phr | steadph i mean |
| 04:53:35 | BZFlag | we may pickup link sys non-dongle style 3.3v cards in volume. |
| 04:53:49 | BZFlag | shooting for a <= $30 usd cost. |
| 04:54:27 | BZFlag | we are looking to confirm that they will work in the top slot without any cutting so that the bottom slot is still accessable. |
| 04:55:25 | Phondew | They should, I've used their combo eth/modem pcmcia and it is kosher |
| 04:55:33 | Phondew | on my laptop :) |
| 04:55:53 | Phondew | as long as the pcmcia slots aren't recessed it shouldn't be an issue |
| 04:56:03 | BZFlag | http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?prid=100&grid=11 |
| 04:56:22 | BZFlag | the "block" out the outside might hit the case. |
| 04:56:46 | BZFlag | they will work in the bottom slot, but then the other slot is blocked. |
| 04:57:18 | Russ | I don't mind a dongle |
| 04:57:26 | BZFlag | http://we.areb.org/~alhaz/TE100-PC16R-4.jpg <- trendnet card hits on the case |
| 04:58:12 | BZFlag | the trendnet still works, if you hold it into the top slot. works fine in the lower slot. |
| 04:58:36 | BZFlag | the linksys card is smaller on the outside, but I don't have one to test yet. |
| 04:58:56 | Phondew | I'd just get a dongle-based card and be done with it |
| 04:59:18 | BZFlag | Russ: if we are going to order in bulk I just figured we should get one that is solid. |
| 04:59:39 | Phondew | thinks one that fits might be higher priority. |
| 04:59:50 | Phondew | :) |
| 04:59:57 | BZFlag | Phondew: yes. that's why we are checking first. ;-) |
| 05:00:44 | Phondew | If I order a tuxscreen from you I can test it here, I have the eth+modem but they are the same dimensions |
| 05:01:13 | BZFlag | nice. paypal awaits. ;-) |
| 05:01:20 | Russ | out of 28 pins on the serial flash |
| 05:01:24 | Russ | 19 are not connected |
| 05:01:28 | Phondew | lol |
| 05:01:36 | Phondew | that's efficient |
| 05:01:52 | BZFlag | I have a linksys dongle style PCMPC100. it is a 5v card and does _not_ work. |
| 05:02:26 | Russ | yah, 5v cards send packets, but don't receive |
| 05:02:33 | BZFlag | well bed time for me. |
| 05:02:34 | Russ | (the card I have) |
| 05:02:47 | Russ | replacing some resistors may make it somewhat work |
| 05:02:54 | BZFlag | keep on hacking! ;-) |
| 11:33:51 | mallum | hi cworth |
| 11:35:03 | cworth | mallum: greetings |
| 12:51:07 | | OK, nelson. |
| 12:51:07 | nelson | ibot: SPI is serial peripheral interface |
| 12:51:37 | nikos | But what does it mean? |
| 13:09:37 | mallum | nelson: working on the cave paintings ? |
| 13:10:30 | tanstaafl | mallum well X finished building |
| 13:10:36 | tanstaafl | unfortunately it keeps skipping Xfbdev |
| 13:10:55 | mallum | tanstaafl: same prob I had .... well it kept breaking on that |
| 13:11:12 | tanstaafl | it's not breaking; it just doesn't think it has to build any X servers. |
| 13:11:40 | mallum | hmmm, using that host.def file I gave you ? |
| 13:11:51 | tanstaafl | yes |
| 13:12:21 | mallum | hmmmmm .... thinking .... did you speak to jacques_gone ? |
| 13:12:33 | nikos | Has anyone tried getting jg's host.def to use as a base? |
| 13:13:17 | mallum | nikos: jg said his was out of date |
| 13:13:35 | tanstaafl | mallum's is similar |
| 13:13:47 | nikos | mallum: I'm a little confused about that, he's building the current X server isn't he? |
| 13:19:44 | mallum | nikos: who jg ? Im not sure who builds the current ones, jg just pointed me towards the hh.org how-to page when I asked him |
| 13:20:09 | mallum | hi CosmicPenguin |
| 13:20:19 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: hi |
| 13:20:53 | nikos | mallum: Jim Gettys jg, if he's not the X server maintainer for Familiar then I'm really confused. |
| 13:21:40 | mallum | nikos: me too |
| 13:21:45 | nikos | Package: xserver-tiny-h3600 |
| 13:21:46 | nikos | Priority: optional |
| 13:21:46 | nikos | Version: 4.1-11 |
| 13:21:46 | nikos | Architecture: arm |
| 13:21:46 | nikos | Maintainer: Jim Gettys <jg@handhelds.org> |
| 13:21:57 | nikos | That's the latest from the unstable feed. |
| 13:22:57 | mallum | ok nikos, thx, I'll find him and ask him again |
| 13:23:12 | CosmicPenguin | Did all you utah folks notice that storm last night spawned a tornado? |
| 13:23:20 | nikos | mallum: Sure, I'll be watching closely. ;) |
| 13:24:29 | mallum | nikos: back me up if he dares to provide irrelavent answers :) |
| 13:24:37 | nikos | heh |
| 13:32:32 | tanstaafl | cp where was the tornado? |
| 13:32:50 | tanstaafl | ok, jg just sent me his host.def file |
| 13:32:59 | tanstaafl | unfortunately, base64 encoded; hang on a minute |
| 13:33:36 | nikos | progress! ;) |
| 13:34:43 | CosmicPenguin | tanstaafl: Sugarhouse... |
| 13:34:54 | tanstaafl | wow that is close. any damage? |
| 13:41:39 | tanstaafl | i don't think X' make system is make -j2 compatible |
| 13:44:56 | tanstaafl | ok my tuxscreen is up to 4 days 18:01 on uptime |
| 14:04:52 | nelson | mallum: trying to figure out how to access the DSP. If somebody has a logic analyzer, they can monitor the SPI pins to see what goes over, failing all else. |
| 14:05:30 | bworth | hello! |
| 14:09:30 | tanstaafl | how's it going in ne ohio these days |
| 14:10:02 | tanstaafl | i used to have road runner in akron, back in the wild and uncapped days |
| 14:16:22 | tanstaafl | same thing, no Xfbdev |
| 14:16:42 | nikos | I don't know that it would be created with that name. |
| 14:16:50 | nikos | It's called Xipaq in familiar now. |
| 14:17:00 | nikos | Don't see any new binaries? |
| 14:19:39 | tanstaafl | can't find Xipaq |
| 14:22:37 | tanstaafl | well now we're getting somewhere. ts.c:36: linux/h3600_ts.h: No such file or directory |
| 14:24:28 | nikos | Kernel sources. |
| 14:25:14 | tanstaafl | yeah, I got that one. looks like make World doesn't exit on errors, but make all does |
| 14:25:37 | Russ | CosmicPenguin: let me now how you want the backlight exported to userspace |
| 14:25:55 | mallum | hi bworth |
| 14:26:09 | tanstaafl | and now I have both Xfbdev and Xipaq. cool |
| 14:26:33 | mallum | tanstaafl: COOL :), on uClibc ? |
| 14:27:54 | tanstaafl | not yet, that's next |
| 14:28:29 | mallum | good luck! |
| 14:47:16 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: IOCTL would be the best..... you got it working? It frustrated me last night |
| 14:48:39 | Russ | its very simple |
| 14:48:45 | Russ | where do you want the IOCTLs? |
| 14:57:14 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: I'm thinking ucb1200_ts would be the best place (so its a little like the Ipaq) |
| 14:58:32 | Russ | ok, I'll get it up and exported |
| 14:58:55 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Good deal - let me know when you get it going..... |
| 15:19:14 | tanstaafl | ok, X started; just need to figure out how to make the ucb1200 work with it |
| 15:19:35 | tanstaafl | and of course i'll need to try a uClinux version too |
| 15:41:57 | Russ|werk | tanstaafl: don't get uClibc and uClinux confused |
| 15:42:14 | Russ|werk | uClinux == linux without an MMU |
| 15:44:36 | tanstaafl | yeah, that was a typo |
| 15:44:47 | tanstaafl | thanks |
| 15:45:07 | Russ|werk | uClibc makes refernce to uClinux, and I didn't want you to get lost |
| 15:48:49 | Aelhaz | y'all don't realize how nice a boot loader the blob is. I just nuked another copy of rpx(f)utility. |
| 15:52:05 | Aelhaz | damn thing had to attempt tftp eleven times before it could successfully download a 32k image |
| 15:52:29 | Russ|werk | blob doesn't hove tftp yet |
| 15:52:43 | Russ|werk | hopefully hacking will begin again soon |
| 15:53:23 | Russ|werk | with bootldr partitions, a paramater block, boot configurations, jffs2/cramfs support (to load kernel), xmodem, tftp |
| 15:54:37 | Aelhaz | Russ: Should be easy to borrow some code from the etherboot project |
| 15:55:28 | Russ|werk | so long as its GPL |
| 15:55:44 | Aelhaz | right |
| 15:55:56 | Russ|werk | the CS8900A will probably be the first chip to be supported, since it is on the lart, and the nesa |
| 15:56:05 | Russ|werk | (as well as others) |
| 15:56:14 | Russ|werk | after that, probably generic ne |
| 15:56:39 | Aelhaz | http://sourceforge.net/projects/etherboot/ -- it is gpl |
| 16:00:24 | Russ|werk | I already have the jffs2 and cramfs code |
| 16:00:49 | Russ|werk | xmodem code is surely lying around |
| 16:01:13 | Russ|werk | the paramater code and associated booting logic will all be new |
| 16:18:22 | Aelhaz | hi bmidgley |
| 16:20:44 | nikos | is away: Service Call |
| 16:32:29 | bworth | tanstaafl: sorry, i've been away from my desk all day - things are good here in ne ohio (salem) roadrunner is not nearly as fast as it was when we first got it (our shop was the first business in town to sign up) but it beats the dial-up i have at home :) where are you now? |
| 16:33:27 | mallum | bworth: whats roadrunner ? |
| 16:33:48 | bworth | cable internet service |
| 16:59:43 | bmidgley | Aelhaz: hi (sorry i was away) |
| 17:01:04 | bmidgley | i noticed amazon has cheap b&w ipaqs (~$150 w/cf sleeve) but i'll hold out ;) |
| 17:07:42 | tanstaafl | salt lake city |
| 17:08:40 | mallum | ? |
| 17:08:57 | tanstaafl | responding to bworth |
| 17:09:40 | mallum | is salt lake city in arazona ? |
| 17:09:46 | tanstaafl | close, utah |
| 17:09:54 | tanstaafl | right north of arizona |
| 17:10:16 | mallum | ah yes ... I have been to arizona |
| 17:10:47 | tanstaafl | for fun or business? |
| 17:11:12 | tanstaafl | there are many beautiful places to visit around the grand canyon |
| 17:12:11 | tanstaafl | bzflag does your x server work with the shannon touch screen? |
| 17:12:25 | mallum | for fun, I went went gf to vegas ( didn't like it ), then we took a hummer trip up to an indian reserve by the grand canyon - very cool |
| 17:12:53 | bworth | tanstaafl: that's cool - they say slc has changed so much in the past few years that i wouldn't know my way around (new freeways and such) |
| 17:13:05 | BZFlag | tanstaafl: yes. x and y mirroring had to be set in the kernel. the latest binary I uploaded had that hack in it. |
| 17:14:06 | tanstaafl | which driver does it use? i tried the standard ipaq (/dev/h3600_ts) but that didn't work at all |
| 17:14:44 | tanstaafl | bworth I've only been here a year or so. there is a ton of construction; re-doing the freeways for the olympics |
| 17:14:59 | BZFlag | I did a mknod /dev/ts c 11 0 and I have a symlink from ... don't recall, some other device file it was trying to open to /dev/ts. the link is the same on the ipaq filesystem. |
| 17:16:17 | tanstaafl | hmm, that is the standard ipaq touch screen driver. i'll try your latest kernel |
| 17:16:46 | BZFlag | 11 0 is the ipaq driver? I had like 244 0 or some such. |
| 17:16:46 | bworth | tanstaafl: so you, and bzflag, and Aelhaz are all in utah? |
| 17:16:52 | BZFlag | yes |
| 17:17:01 | BZFlag | and andersee ;-) |
| 17:17:06 | bworth | cool |
| 17:18:35 | tanstaafl | bzflag well I did a google search for h3600_ts and mknod, and came up with 11 & 0. |
| 17:18:45 | BZFlag | ok |
| 17:18:54 | BZFlag | perhaps I have an old X server then. |
| 17:19:01 | tanstaafl | that doesn't prove anything of course |
| 17:19:28 | tanstaafl | bworth and cosmicpenguin |
| 17:19:57 | BZFlag | Unfortunately I don't have the udrive with me at the moment. |
| 17:21:23 | bworth | i lived in ogden for a while and spent a couple semesters at byu - didn't bzflag present at slug? how'd that go? |
| 17:24:00 | tanstaafl | reasonably well, once they got the overhead figured out 8^) - that's where I bought my unit |
| 17:24:13 | Russ | tanstaafl: you should go to havasupia |
| 17:24:15 | nikos | is back |
| 17:26:28 | mallum | is away: getting food ... |
| 17:41:17 | tanstaafl | russ havasupia? |
| 18:26:58 | Russ | tanstaafl: the indian reservation near the grand canyon |
| 18:27:04 | Russ | tanstaafl: 12 mile hike in |
| 18:27:41 | tanstaafl | sounds interesting. what's it like there? |
| 18:27:53 | Russ | er, havasupai, sorry |
| 18:28:08 | Russ | http://www.haughey.com/havasupai/ |
| 18:28:34 | Russ | just don't go during the monsoon season....bad idea |
| 18:30:17 | nikos | Uhm, where is that? I can't find any references to the location. |
| 18:30:21 | Russ | BZFlag: it seems the firmware on the DSP does most of the interpretation of the "SPI bus" |
| 18:30:38 | nikos | ah AZ, OK |
| 18:32:33 | Russ | 36'13.50N 112'40.10W |
| 18:33:43 | tanstaafl | http://www.haughey.com/havasupai/ |
| 18:33:54 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Hows it coming on the backlight controls? |
| 18:34:03 | Russ | I was just at class |
| 18:34:08 | tanstaafl | Reservations/Information: Havasupai Tourist Enterprise, Supai, AZ 86435, telephone: 520-448-2121. Note, there is only one phone line down into the canyon and it's OFTEN down! |
| 18:34:12 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: No worries..... |
| 18:34:34 | Russ | tanstaafl: the only place in the US that still receives US mail by mules |
| 18:35:30 | Russ | http://www.mapquest.com/cgi-bin/ia_find?link=btwn/twn-map_results&aerial_photo_tab.x=1&aphoto=1&uid=u3aas7m0l7w9u6bd:zwqzrs9r2&SNVData=3mad3-96,hr%3bb01aya%3d%3d2n1y1gd.ne%2842a%24mm-dzr%3bah7-%3d%3a%28%13%16%3a%28%11E%3ab5df8l%3d%3d2n1485u%3aa%3bwh%7c2%24hgv%28l3iedgv%245l1t%3b8&pcat= |
| 18:35:31 | tanstaafl | yeah, looks like you can rent a burro for your hike |
| 18:35:39 | Russ | that was actually really easy to find |
| 18:38:22 | Russ | bad ass |
| 18:38:28 | Russ | you can actually see the waterfall |
| 18:38:31 | Russ | http://www.mapquest.com/cgi-bin/ia_find?link=btwn/twn-map_results&zoom_level=11&uid=u3aas7m0l7w9u6bd:zwqzrs9r2&aphoto=1&SNVData=3mad3-96,hr%3bb0148s%3d%3d2n1y1g1.ne%2842a%24mm-dzr%3bah7-%3d%3a%28%13%16%3a%28%11E%3ab5df8l%3d%3d2n1485u%3aa%3bteqej%3bxmwjs8%241w-u.wf7%3bxcx5sf7.grfe%7cs%247wv%28u&pcat=&zlgif.x=1 |
| 18:39:07 | kR | haha, that URL locked up konqueror |
| 18:39:14 | Russ | use galeon |
| 18:39:30 | Russ | and the other falls |
| 18:39:32 | Russ | http://www.mapquest.com/cgi-bin/ia_find?link=btwn%2Ftwn-map_results&uid=u3aas7m0l7w9u6bd%3Azwqzrs9r2&SNVData=3mad3-9u%2Chr%253bb01y7s%253d%253d2n1z70g.ne%252842a%2524mm-dzr%253bah7-%253d%253a%2528%2513%2516%253a%2528%2511E%253ab5df8l%253d%253d2n1485u%253aa%253bteqej%253bxmwjs8%25241w-u.wf7%253bxcx5sf7.grfe%257cs%25247wv%2528u&pcat=&aphoto=1&MAP_AB_LABELS=&WORK=&map.x=34&map.y=18&mouse_mode=center |
| 18:45:11 | Russ | mapquest says I can't get there from here |
| 18:45:51 | kR | "there's not a road that leads right up to the falls? forget it |
| 18:46:38 | Russ | aparently, mapquest has not realized the "get out of the car and walk" method of transportation |
| 19:06:27 | nikos | is away: Service Call |
| 19:08:29 | BZFlag | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 2 Aug 22 13:21 dev/h3600_ts -> ts |
| 19:08:29 | BZFlag | crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 11, 0 Aug 10 04:02 dev/ts |
| 19:08:29 | BZFlag | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1130301 Dec 8 2000 usr/X11R6/bin/Xipaq |
| 19:08:37 | BZFlag | yep, old X server. |
| 19:09:15 | tanstaafl | ah, you're using Xipaq instead of Xfbdev |
| 19:09:26 | tanstaafl | i'll have to try that |
| 19:20:34 | Russ | CosmicPenguin: it will be very soon |
| 19:20:39 | Russ | so get a user app ready |
| 19:24:26 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, all I've got right now is a text based app so I hope that will suffice.... |
| 19:36:09 | Russ | CosmicPenguin: did you notice duplicate case value mistake? |
| 19:52:32 | Russ | CosmicPenguin? |
| 19:53:05 | tanstaafl | he isn't trying to do work instead of IRC, is he? 8^) |
| 19:53:29 | Russ | I dunno, he wanted diffs to the ts to control the backlight |
| 19:57:08 | Russ | and now he has them |
| 19:57:20 | Russ | CosmicPenguin: can you dcc me your j |
| 19:57:21 | Russ | er |
| 19:57:22 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: I'm here.... |
| 19:57:31 | Russ | your jffs2 image with the test app? |
| 19:57:40 | CosmicPenguin | But I was doing a little work.... it won' |
| 19:58:01 | CosmicPenguin | er.... It will be about an hour before I can get back to you..... |
| 19:58:15 | Russ | can you dcc me your c code for the test app? |
| 19:58:46 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Sure, let me finish putting the ioctl values real quickly...... |
| 20:05:12 | CosmicPenguin | Russ, its coming your way...... |
| 20:07:46 | nikos | is back |
| 20:11:53 | Russ | CosmicPenguin: change the ARCH_SA1100_SHANNON to CONFIG_SA1100_SHANNON |
| 20:16:49 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Ok.... |
| 20:33:54 | Russ | also, using 0 in a bitmask doesn't work (F_CONT) |
| 20:36:01 | tanstaafl | bzflag hmm; xipaq also has no touch screen response (but doesn't say no such device, interestingly). is that the symptom you get without the x/y mirroring? |
| 20:36:21 | Russ | no |
| 20:36:33 | Russ | the calibration should fix x/y mirroring |
| 20:48:42 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Doh! |
| 21:00:43 | Russ | I think I misunderstood the ucb io functions |
| 21:02:29 | CosmicPenguin | Tell me what you're seeing, I'll tell you if it sounds familiar.... |
| 21:02:32 | BZFlag | tanstaafl: no. I get key fine, but ts in the wrong place. |
| 21:02:49 | Russ | with the provided functions, I have to do things pin by pin |
| 21:02:56 | Russ | instead of with masks |
| 21:03:23 | CosmicPenguin | Ahh, a new problem..... :) |
| 21:03:47 | Russ | I got it |
| 21:05:57 | Russ | contrast seems to be the only one doing anything at the moment |
| 21:13:48 | Russ | ok, power works |
| 21:13:53 | Russ | but still not brightness |
| 21:14:12 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: You changed ucb1200_set_io to go pin by pin, then? |
| 21:15:25 | Russ | CosmicPenguin: yes |
| 21:16:19 | Russ | and of course the tstest fix |
| 21:16:25 | CosmicPenguin | Thanks... :) |
| 21:16:49 | Russ | er, duh |
| 21:16:53 | Russ | lemme fix brightness |
| 21:17:17 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: ok.... |
| 21:24:03 | BZFlag | really need to get a new eth dongle... |
| 21:25:36 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Got it.... brighness work now? |
| 21:25:59 | Russ | it doesn't seem to be able to do much |
| 21:26:16 | Russ | it seems to do the same a the backlight |
| 21:26:24 | Russ | power that is |
| 21:28:16 | CosmicPenguin | But can you see 7 levels of difference? |
| 21:28:24 | Russ | no, two |
| 21:28:26 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: You wouldn't be interested in purchasing a xircom realport cardbus 10/100 nic, would you? |
| 21:28:31 | Aelhaz | <-- got stuck with one |
| 21:28:37 | Aelhaz | <-- doesn't have any type III slots anyhow |
| 21:28:56 | Russ | well, 3 |
| 21:29:54 | Russ | yes you do |
| 21:30:04 | Russ | type III is just really tall |
| 21:30:06 | Aelhaz | Aelhaz: who, me? not type III cardbus slots |
| 21:30:10 | Russ | it doesn't mean cardbus |
| 21:30:14 | Aelhaz | Russ: My notebook is really thin |
| 21:30:16 | Russ | oh |
| 21:30:20 | BZFlag | Aelhaz: not really. I suppose if it were real cheap. ;-) |
| 21:30:55 | Aelhaz | Russ: I have one of the last of the hard-core ultra-portables, Toshiba Portege 3010, 3/4" thick closed |
| 21:31:07 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: how's $20 sound? |
| 21:31:21 | Russ | now I just need to make the console blank turn off the backlight |
| 21:33:02 | BZFlag | ponders.... |
| 21:33:34 | BZFlag | Aelhaz: hmm.. I guess not even if the price is right. =( I need my other slot for CF hacking. |
| 21:33:45 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: I know how that is |
| 21:34:01 | Aelhaz | A guy told me he was selling me two pcmcia, I got one pcmcia and one cardbus, was planning on outfitting old notebooks with 'em |
| 21:34:08 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: And a ts touch turn it back on... :) |
| 21:34:15 | Aelhaz | they only cost me $16/ea tho |
| 21:34:28 | BZFlag | ah |
| 21:34:46 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: I'm selling a notebook to dan as soon as i get around to it, maybe i can bundle it with that . . . . |
| 21:35:24 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Sorry, it looks like you already have that in there..... I gotta read the diffs before I shoot my mouth off |
| 21:35:34 | Aelhaz | picked up two winbook p233mmx notebooks at DI for $25 each, between the two of them i should have one that works perfectly. One has screen issues, the other has ide issues. |
| 21:36:57 | Russ | CosmicPenguin: pm needs to turn off/on the backlight now |
| 21:47:22 | tanstaafl | apparently my unit has a bad touch screen. |
| 21:47:38 | tanstaafl | is it easy to take apart to check the connections? |
| 21:48:11 | Russ | the connection to the mainboard is easy |
| 21:48:27 | Russ | hmmm....sa1100fb starts before the ucb code |
| 21:48:58 | Russ | sa1100fb wants to turn on LCD |
| 21:52:00 | Russ | how can I tell if the ucb is inited? |
| 21:58:00 | Russ | away |
| 22:00:45 | BZFlag | I need to try and document the Inferno reinstall. |
| 22:01:08 | BZFlag | split the Inferno images in to ramdisk,kernel,blob sizes and use blob to install them. |
| 22:01:26 | BZFlag | I'll build a wiki page for this soon in case folks want to switch back and forth. |
| 22:02:00 | tanstaafl | is newinferno.img the best one to use? |
| 22:02:10 | BZFlag | probably, yes. |
| 22:06:45 | tanstaafl | how big are the ramdisk,kernel,blob sizes? |
| 22:07:03 | tanstaafl | or should I hang on for the wiki page |
| 22:07:54 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: If you are in the ucb1200_generic file, you can check the value of ucb1200_low_level to see if it has been inited yet |
| 22:08:25 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: (ucb1200_low_level is static) |
| 22:11:35 | Aelhaz | curious. linux detects the harddrive in my notebook as having no cache, toshiba says that drive has a 512k buffer. |
| 22:17:32 | Aelhaz | searching around google, the MK4310MAT and it's little brother MK4309MAT are uniformly identified by linux as having 0kb cache . . . . odd. |
| 22:17:42 | Aelhaz | might be related to the extent to which the transfer rate drags ass |
| 22:54:44 | CosmicPenguin | Ok russ, I am headed home.... I'll let you know if I find any backlight gotchas.... |
| 23:29:25 | BZFlag | got his 32M and 64M sodimms today. |
| 23:50:59 | Russ | what does the 64 do? |
