| 01:46:17 | mHohensee | A~ |
| 02:56:54 | Aelhaz | Damn, everyone went home |
| 03:05:35 | Sammy | not at all ... |
| 03:35:48 | Aelhaz | Trendnet TE100-PC16R nic arrived, and it does fit and does work |
| 03:59:08 | nelson | Aelhaz: Kewl. My Hawking CF Ethernet (ne2k) gets mis-recognized and doesn't work. |
| 04:00:22 | Aelhaz | nelson: what's it get recognized as? |
| 04:01:16 | Aelhaz | the Trendnet card gets recognized (correctly) as an Asix card, and cardmgr tries to load axnet_cs, which aint there. Minor hack to make it load pcnet_cs instead |
| 04:01:18 | Russ | nelson: probably need to change some of the /etc/pcmcia stuff |
| 04:02:38 | nelson | Hey, Aelhaz, yeah, that's the same thing mine gets recognized as. |
| 04:02:58 | Aelhaz | nelson: I put a sed commandline on the pcmcia wiki to fix that |
| 04:05:47 | nelson | Yeah, but it's the recognition code that's broken. |
| 04:07:09 | nelson | Hmmm.... Well, but if it's *really* an Asix card, then we ought to get axnet_cs installed. But I don't think that's really right. |
| 04:08:37 | Aelhaz | nelson: asix is an extended ne2k |
| 04:08:49 | Aelhaz | nelson: it works with pcnet_cs, axnet_cs is just somehow "better" |
| 04:10:54 | Aelhaz | in older versions of pcmcia_cs, Asix cards use pcnet_cs by default |
| 04:11:17 | Aelhaz | axnet is a new driver |
| 04:25:17 | Aelhaz | Anyway, as i suspected, the TE100-PC16R fits near perfectly and looks like it belongs there, aside from being clear instead of putty . . . |
| 04:28:21 | nelson | Yeah, as soon as we get answering machine functionality, I'm gonna replace the family's phone with my tux. |
| 04:28:46 | nelson | So appearance matters. |
| 04:33:58 | AlHaz | I took pictures, I'll get 'em on the wiki tomorrow |
| 04:40:05 | AlHaz | hi andersee |
| 04:40:47 | andersee | hi |
| 04:41:20 | AlHaz | got my trendnet nic, works in the phone after a minor configuration hack |
| 04:42:22 | andersee | Looks like my Adaptec APA-1460 works at 3.3v, so after I get aha152x_cs + SCSI compiled in the kernel, looks like I'm going to have plenty of space to play with. :) |
| 04:43:06 | andersee | I still need to order a nic -- my Xircom is cardbus only -- doesn't work |
| 04:43:07 | AlHaz | hehehe |
| 04:43:14 | AlHaz | I haven't tried either of my pcmcia scsi cards |
| 04:43:26 | AlHaz | one of them is presumably an adaptec oem |
| 04:43:31 | AlHaz | forget which |
| 04:43:37 | andersee | I just tried mine on a lark -- and was plesently surprised |
| 04:43:42 | AlHaz | cool |
| 04:44:25 | andersee | needs to mess with user space on this thing |
| 04:46:06 | AlHaz | I didn't see wvlan_cs (not to be confused with wavelan_cs) on the root fs I've got in there, so i didn't try my wireless cards again tonight. Need to make sure i have the latest, I don't think i do |
| 04:48:19 | andersee | Hmm. Need to update uClibc too. I've cut a few k out of the lib and shared lib loader since this rootfs was built |
| 04:48:32 | andersee | has too many TODO items |
| 04:50:06 | | BZFlag was last seen on #bzflag 5 hours, 48 minutes and 9 seconds ago, saying: XEpsilon: what res screen? I get like 20 fps on a P133 @ 640x480 software. [Tue Aug 21 00:01:57 2001] |
| 04:50:06 | andersee | Seen BZFlag? |
| 04:51:30 | andersee | Hmm. Had to hack up pcmcia-cs source to compile vs 2.4.9... Someone hosed up the min/max macros of all things |
| 11:57:53 | | hello, bworth |
| 11:57:53 | bworth | howdy |
| 11:58:35 | bworth | my, isn't ibot in a friendly mood this morning :) |
| 11:59:54 | mallum | hi worth bro's :) |
| 12:01:01 | bworth | hey mallum, what's up? |
| 12:01:32 | mallum | not much, at work :( |
| 12:01:37 | cworth | hi mallum, bworth |
| 12:01:38 | bworth | yeah, me too |
| 12:01:48 | bworth | hi! |
| 12:01:52 | mallum | hacking Perl for food |
| 12:08:02 | mallum | [ot-ish] 2 cool python doc links ; |
| 12:08:07 | mallum | http://diveintopython.org/ |
| 12:08:25 | mallum | http://www.brunningonline.net/simon/python/PQR2.1.html |
| 12:40:45 | bworth | hi, nikos |
| 12:41:36 | nikos | Morning bworth |
| 12:49:03 | mallum | hi nikos |
| 12:49:12 | nikos | Hello mallum |
| 12:49:23 | mallum | why the name 'nikos' ? |
| 12:50:02 | nikos | Heh |
| 12:50:13 | nikos | Goes back to playing UO I think. |
| 12:50:23 | mallum | should I ask 'deathwolf' the same question ? |
| 12:50:27 | mallum | whats UO ? |
| 12:52:18 | nikos | Ultima Online |
| 12:52:29 | mallum | ah yes |
| 12:52:37 | mallum | never played it myself |
| 12:53:01 | nikos | I've kept it since nikos is a more rare name and less likely to conflict than ken |
| 13:33:14 | mallum | tanstaafl: any luck with X ? |
| 13:36:32 | tanstaafl | not yet. unfortunately it isn't the highest priority for me (wish it was!). I managed to get the source downloaded at least 8) |
| 14:50:55 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Are you there? |
| 14:58:20 | tanstaafl | ok cp, time to hack on that backlight |
| 14:58:51 | CosmicPenguin | tanstaafl: Thats next on the list.... |
| 14:59:12 | Aelhaz | the Trendnet nic works |
| 14:59:30 | nikos | Excellent |
| 14:59:51 | CosmicPenguin | It only fits in the bottom slot, though, right? |
| 14:59:55 | Aelhaz | Right |
| 15:00:14 | CosmicPenguin | The TE100-PC16R? I'm buying one right now.... |
| 15:00:26 | Aelhaz | there's a DLink nic and a Linksys nic that seem to most likely use the same chips, that have a smaller outboard box, that probably work in either slot |
| 15:00:43 | CosmicPenguin | Cheaper? |
| 15:01:14 | Aelhaz | all about the same, just over $30 iirc, tho the dlink has a $5 mail-in rebate |
| 15:02:11 | CosmicPenguin | Model #? |
| 15:02:13 | Aelhaz | they're all listed on the pcmcia wiki |
| 15:02:20 | CosmicPenguin | Ok |
| 15:02:37 | Aelhaz | I think the linksys s PCM100, I forget the dlink. DFE-670TXD or something |
| 15:02:56 | Aelhaz | http://we.areb.org/~alhaz/TE100-PC16R-1.jpg is a pic of the dlink card in the phone |
| 15:03:05 | Aelhaz | er, trendnet nic |
| 15:03:34 | nikos | whoa huge ;) |
| 15:03:51 | Aelhaz | huh, forgot to resize it. Watch out, it's big. |
| 15:04:11 | nikos | Filesize didn't worry me, but that outboard box did. ;) |
| 15:04:13 | Aelhaz | hey, at least I recompressed it - that pic came out of my camera at about 320k :) |
| 15:04:21 | CosmicPenguin | Aelhaz: Do you have anything in the other slot? |
| 15:04:33 | Aelhaz | I need to get some profile shots so you can see what it looks like in normal use |
| 15:04:40 | Aelhaz | CosmicPenguin: Yeah, a 64 meg cf card |
| 15:05:19 | CosmicPenguin | AlHaz: So even though it is a little large, you really have no problems with the size as long as everything fits... |
| 15:06:59 | Aelhaz | CosmicPenguin: Right. the card is actually about 1/4" longer than regular pcmcia cards, not including the outboard box |
| 15:08:42 | Aelhaz | hey, neat, the phone i just unpacked included batteries |
| 15:08:59 | Aelhaz | or, do they all . . . |
| 15:09:58 | CosmicPenguin | Just ordered my TE100-PC16R.... |
| 15:10:28 | tanstaafl | nice. |
| 15:10:38 | tanstaafl | did someone determine if they fit or not? |
| 15:11:00 | CosmicPenguin | tanstaafl: Aelhaz just did. |
| 15:11:05 | tanstaafl | coo' |
| 15:11:12 | CosmicPenguin | tanstaafl: Scroll back for URL of a picture.... |
| 15:11:25 | tanstaafl | kinda silly to use an apostrophe to replace just one letter, isn't it |
| 15:11:37 | nikos | :) |
| 15:11:42 | CosmicPenguin | tanstaafl: Its all about the attitude... :) |
| 15:12:46 | tanstaafl | wow, that's like a perfect fit isn't it |
| 15:13:47 | Aelhaz | yup, but only in the bottom slot |
| 15:13:52 | Aelhaz | posting more pics in a sec . . |
| 15:14:32 | bmidgley_ | Aelhaz: will your te100 fit in the top slot? |
| 15:14:53 | Aelhaz | bmidgley_: Nope |
| 15:15:00 | Aelhaz | bmidgley_: Well, it *almost fits |
| 15:15:45 | bmidgley_ | Aelhaz: so as long as the other card is flash, it works ok? |
| 15:16:05 | tanstaafl | with a saw, i'll bet you can make it fit. |
| 15:16:14 | Aelhaz | bmidgley_: Yeah |
| 15:16:30 | Aelhaz | tanstaafl: The Linksys and DLink cards that use the same chips have a lower profile outboard on 'em |
| 15:16:37 | Aelhaz | tanstaafl: and will most likely fit in either slot |
| 15:17:32 | mallum | I should recieve one of them kingston cf cards in the next few days ( ordered yesterday ) |
| 15:17:40 | tanstaafl | mallum same here |
| 15:17:52 | Aelhaz | OK, more pics are up |
| 15:18:31 | Aelhaz | http://we.areb.org/~alhaz/TE100-PC16R-2.jpg and http://we.areb.org/~alhaz/TE100-PC16R-3.jpg |
| 15:22:01 | mallum | Aelhaz: I think your desk needs a tidy ... |
| 15:22:54 | Aelhaz | mallum: hey it used to be a lot worse |
| 15:23:24 | mallum | ;) |
| 15:24:05 | Aelhaz | just took a pic of it just barely failing to fit in the top slot - it'd be a quick fix with a sanding block or dremel tool |
| 15:24:09 | bmidgley_ | i think i'll get a TE100-PC16 (not R) JIC |
| 15:24:50 | Aelhaz | bmidgley_: or you could get a Linksys PCM100, which is slimmer, or the D-Link DFE-670TXD, which is also slimmer |
| 15:25:08 | Aelhaz | but if you don't mind dongles, the PC16 should work fine too |
| 15:27:23 | Aelhaz | ok, -4 is up |
| 15:27:40 | Aelhaz | i actually tried to resize that one, I think I'm using the wrong function of ee |
| 15:27:50 | tanstaafl | ugh, that trendnet has a windows logo on it! 8^) |
| 15:27:55 | Aelhaz | :P |
| 15:30:52 | Aelhaz | there is a minor hack required to make them work - cardmgr goes looking for axnet_cs when you insert the card. that's correct, but they also work with pcnet_cs, and we don't have axnet_Cs |
| 15:32:29 | Aelhaz | heh, didn't realize you can see the powermac *AND the Indy in the background of one of 'em |
| 15:34:57 | CosmicPenguin | tanstaafl: One of your tux stickers should go over that nicely |
| 15:36:36 | Aelhaz | I need to get the mac & indy out of here to make room for a phone here at work . . . |
| 16:20:03 | bmidgley_ | is tim's coworker eric here? |
| 16:20:34 | Aelhaz | <-- Eric |
| 16:20:53 | bmidgley_ | Aelhaz: oh hey. i'm brad (from sllug mtng) |
| 16:21:04 | | niihau, Aelhaz |
| 16:21:04 | Aelhaz | bmidgley_: Oh, hi |
| 16:21:12 | | Aelhaz: what? |
| 16:21:12 | Aelhaz | privet, ibot |
| 16:21:27 | | Aelhaz: i'm not following you... |
| 16:21:27 | Aelhaz | ibot: oh, I'm sorry, I guess you don't speak that language |
| 16:21:35 | Aelhaz | stops talking to the bot |
| 16:21:38 | | Sorry, nikos, I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 16:21:38 | nikos | ibot: shut up |
| 16:21:56 | nikos | stupid bot slipped into promsicuous mode |
| 16:22:38 | Aelhaz | been reading up on the axnet_cs vs. pcnet_cs issue - seems pcnet_cs works for *some asix cards, but not all. It does seem to work fine with the trendnet one |
| 16:23:32 | bmidgley_ | i just ordered the d-link :) |
| 16:23:35 | Aelhaz | bmidgley_: Were you the one that helped me carry stuff? I'm horrible with names. |
| 16:23:46 | bmidgley_ | Aelhaz: yeah. |
| 16:23:48 | CosmicPenguin | bmidgley_: Do you have a brother named Mark? |
| 16:23:51 | Aelhaz | Ok, good, thought so |
| 16:24:04 | bmidgley_ | CosmicPenguin: yes |
| 16:24:24 | CosmicPenguin | If he works at Cabletron, then I used to be his office mate.... |
| 16:24:50 | bmidgley_ | that's him. what's your real name & i'll tell him |
| 16:24:56 | CosmicPenguin | Jordan Crouse |
| 16:25:17 | bmidgley_ | CosmicPenguin: you're not at ctron now? |
| 16:26:22 | CosmicPenguin | Nope - I left almost exactly a year ago - I got an chance to move to a linux shop..... |
| 16:39:23 | Aelhaz | hey BZFlag |
| 16:39:31 | Aelhaz | the Trendnet nic showed up |
| 16:42:24 | Maurice1956 | Hello. |
| 16:42:32 | Aelhaz | Hello. |
| 16:42:42 | Maurice1956 | Wow. Life!!!!!!!!! |
| 16:42:58 | Maurice1956 | I have been to many rooms and no one answers. |
| 16:43:25 | Maurice1956 | Did I interrupt a session???? |
| 16:43:48 | BZFlag | Aelhaz: did it work? |
| 16:43:51 | Aelhaz | session? |
| 16:44:02 | Maurice1956 | Chat session. |
| 16:44:07 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: Yup, after tweaking the pcmcia opts to load pcnet_cs instead of axnet_cs |
| 16:44:08 | | ... I want FORTY-TWO TRYNEL FLOATATION SYSTEMS installed within SIX AND A HALF HOURS!!! |
| 16:44:08 | BZFlag | ibot yow |
| 16:44:26 | BZFlag | Aelhaz: sweet. |
| 16:44:31 | Maurice1956 | Nice language. English????? |
| 16:44:34 | Aelhaz | Maurice1956: This isn't a very good network for cruising, try chatnet instead |
| 16:44:45 | Maurice1956 | Okay. |
| 16:44:46 | BZFlag | Aelhaz: now benchmark it to see if you really get > 10Mb ;-) |
| 16:44:53 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: heh |
| 16:45:00 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: Working on that |
| 16:45:02 | BZFlag | heh |
| 16:45:22 | bmidgley_ | anyone holding hope for >40M ram? |
| 16:45:55 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: axnet_cs is technically probably correct . . . . . with pcmcia_cs 3.1.25 on my notebook, pcnet_cs loads and works. After upgrading my notebook to 3.1.28 (xircom cardbus fixes i needed), it loads axnet_cs and doesn't work . . . |
| 16:46:05 | Aelhaz | So, *shrug* |
| 16:46:08 | Aelhaz | but it works on the phone |
| 16:47:59 | Aelhaz | still lacking wvlan_cs on the phone, fwiw, but i think the cards might work with orinoco_cs instead . . . |
| 16:48:08 | Aelhaz | prism2 cards i mean |
| 16:51:45 | BZFlag | bmidgley_: I bought a 64M sodimm yesterday, so I guess that's a yes. ;-) |
| 16:52:15 | nelson | Aelhaz: my tux included batteries. |
| 16:52:33 | Aelhaz | nelson: OK, I couldn't recall if the first one i set up did |
| 16:52:49 | BZFlag | nelson: everyone's should have 6 batteries. 2 for kbd and 4 for phone. |
| 16:52:55 | bmidgley_ | they all do. tim has 4000 AAA and 8000 AA in his basement |
| 16:53:23 | BZFlag | IMHO the 4 for the phone are lame, they don't power the computer, just the phone portion. I never put them in other that to test. |
| 16:53:47 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: there must be some ram on the phone board, or something |
| 16:53:58 | BZFlag | bmidgley_: wow, never thought of that. ;-) I could take em out and run the house. ;-) |
| 16:54:22 | BZFlag | Aelhaz: there is 8m onboard and 1 8m sodimm. |
| 16:54:34 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: No, I mean on the dsp board |
| 16:54:46 | BZFlag | Aelhaz: or you refer to the dsp? yes. it has ram too. |
| 16:54:47 | Aelhaz | or something |
| 16:55:12 | BZFlag | http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view/Main/LucentDSP |
| 16:55:38 | bmidgley_ | the speakerphone would have to be powered i think, maybe it uses the batteries |
| 16:55:44 | nelson | How is the DSP interfaced to the ARM? |
| 16:56:16 | BZFlag | bmidgley_: it will if the power is not connected. I just have other phones I'd use if the power was out. |
| 16:56:38 | BZFlag | nelson: http://TuxScreen.net/img/schematics/ |
| 16:57:54 | bmidgley_ | i want to run full debian on nfsroot. do i have to fiddle with the jffs2 drive to get it to run the installer? |
| 16:58:41 | BZFlag | bmidgley_: I didn't I just removed unconfigured.sh and then configured everything by hand. |
| 16:59:16 | BZFlag | bmidgley_: if you can get it to run the installer, that would probably be better. |
| 17:00:33 | BZFlag | bmidgley_: on the power issue: everything is powered from the wall. the 4 AA are just backup power for the phone only. not the computer or lcd. |
| 17:00:36 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: IMHO One of our last major roadblocks is figuring out how to make that DSP work.... |
| 17:01:23 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: agreed. I think we want a kernel telephony driver. that way sw we write will port to other hw easily. |
| 17:01:36 | Aelhaz | man, I hate hacking pcmcia_cs on my notebook, damn toshiba cardbus bridge . . . |
| 17:01:50 | CosmicPenguin | Every good Linux hacker should have Tux answering his phone for him..... :) |
| 17:02:12 | Aelhaz | the 512k serial data flash is probably for answering machine functionality |
| 17:03:16 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: Oh, I took (big) pictures of the trendnet nic in the phone - http://we.areb.org/~alhaz/TE100-PC16R-1.jpg through -4.jpg |
| 17:08:42 | Aelhaz | axnet_cs doesn't work for trendnet . . . . |
| 17:09:32 | Aelhaz | OK, I have an addition for /etc/pcmcia/config to (correctly) select pcnet_cs for the trendnet nic. |
| 17:09:41 | Aelhaz | it's an asix chip, but axnet don't work |
| 17:11:09 | BZFlag | Aelhaz: is that in the top or bottom slot? |
| 17:13:00 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: pic 1 is in the bottom slot, pic 4 shows it not fitting in the top slot |
| 17:14:34 | BZFlag | does it go in far enough to work, or not? I think the card I tried yesterday went in far enough before hitting. |
| 17:14:55 | BZFlag | well, it's nothing that a dremmel wouldn't fix. ;-/ |
| 17:14:58 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: if you hold it in it works :) |
| 17:15:15 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: the Linksys and D-Link cards that are similar (same chip, outboard box) seem to be slimmer |
| 17:15:32 | Aelhaz | it just barely doesn't make it. a sanding block to shave off that corner would fix it. |
| 17:16:02 | Aelhaz | the "same chip" thing may not be good enough - it seems that not all asix nics work with pcnet_cs and not all of them work with axnet_cs |
| 17:16:05 | BZFlag | I'd just dremmel the TuxScreen. remove a bit of the case. |
| 17:16:58 | Aelhaz | dlink or linksys might be better to recommend . . . if people want to stick it in the top slot |
| 17:17:11 | Aelhaz | we'll see if i can snipe a cheap linksys PCM100 off ebay |
| 17:18:20 | Aelhaz | I'm gonna go grab some lunch |
| 17:18:40 | Aelhaz | then I'll update the wiki, again. |
| 17:31:32 | Russ | once I get cards, I'll take the door off |
| 18:09:09 | Russ | lemme know if people are planning on ordering a quantity of ethernet cards |
| 18:09:23 | mallum | hi all |
| 18:09:31 | Russ | hey mallum |
| 18:09:40 | mallum | hi Russ |
| 18:11:00 | tanstaafl | how's X treating you |
| 18:11:21 | mallum | me ? |
| 18:11:55 | Russ | BZFlag: is andersee about somewhere? |
| 18:12:04 | tanstaafl | yes |
| 18:12:30 | mallum | tanstaafl: oh, Im giving it a rest for a bit - wan to se how you get on :) |
| 18:13:35 | tanstaafl | heh. i should have some kind of result this week |
| 18:14:02 | mallum | tanstaafl: I attempted Python2.1 which I think should compile - it does on i386-uclibc - having some problems with the configure script at the mo... |
| 18:14:12 | CosmicPenguin | tanstaafl: You find a CF card and adapter, or are you going NFS style? |
| 18:14:53 | mallum | tanstaafl: I normally here, so I can help out - also try and get hold of jacques_gone - hes done tiny-X builds for the ipaq |
| 18:17:15 | tanstaafl | cosmicpenguin haven't decided yet... if I get a CF card or NFS I could just use the existing X server, couldn't I |
| 18:17:54 | CosmicPenguin | tanstaafl: Thats true |
| 18:18:33 | mallum | I mounted my intimate'd microdrive successfully |
| 18:19:26 | mallum | couldn't get X to come up though :( I was messing with chroot and I dont think I did a good job of making (copying ) dev files etc.. |
| 18:19:36 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: What parameters did you use you use for mk.jffs2 when you build your rootfs? I get about 6 dozen erase block errors when I boot |
| 18:19:43 | CosmicPenguin | s/errors/warnings |
| 18:20:54 | Russ | -e 0x20000 |
| 18:21:13 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Thanks |
| 18:27:45 | tanstaafl | mallum so did you just use the iPAQH3600.cf file? |
| 18:28:26 | mallum | tanstaafl: no I had to use a load, one sec I'll dig it out ... |
| 18:30:28 | tanstaafl | a load? |
| 18:30:54 | mallum | heres my hosts.def file - you'll see what I mean ... |
| 18:30:57 | mallum | #define KDriveXServer YES |
| 18:30:58 | mallum | #define iPAQH3600 YES |
| 18:30:58 | mallum | #define TinyXServer YES |
| 18:30:58 | mallum | #define TouchScreen YES |
| 18:30:58 | mallum | #define ItsyCompilerBug YES |
| 18:30:58 | mallum | #define BuildRandR YES |
| 18:31:00 | mallum | #define BuildXinerama NO |
| 18:31:02 | mallum | #define KdriveServerExtraDefines -DITSY -DMAXSCREENS=1 |
| 18:31:04 | mallum | #define CrossCompiling YES |
| 18:31:06 | mallum | #define BuildDocs NO |
| 18:31:08 | mallum | #define ThreadedX NO |
| 18:31:31 | mallum | I got this from jacques_gone |
| 18:32:09 | mallum | tanstaafl: also see this -> http://www.handhelds.org/minihowto/building-x.html |
| 18:32:17 | mallum | tanstaafl: although now apparently out of date |
| 18:35:43 | mallum | tanstaafl: sorry the above should be host.def ... |
| 18:36:18 | tanstaafl | as in: programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/etc/bindist/Linux-ix86/host.def |
| 18:36:23 | tanstaafl | ? |
| 18:36:31 | tanstaafl | maybe I should read the document before asking questions |
| 18:36:54 | mallum | no as in ... xc/config/cf/host.def |
| 18:37:25 | mallum | you set up the host.def file, then do a 'make World' and prey ;) |
| 18:37:51 | tanstaafl | i see, it comes without a host.def; the builder must define it |
| 18:37:58 | mallum | tanstaafl: yes |
| 18:38:30 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: -e 0x20000 was the magic saying. Thanks.... |
| 18:39:41 | mallum | thinks it would be cool to change the fb tux logo to a tux holding a phone |
| 18:40:55 | tanstaafl | bring out the gimp |
| 20:00:43 | Aelhaz | How does one format text in wiki? |
| 20:00:55 | tanstaafl | mallum ok it's building now. we'll see if I get an Xfbdev or not! |
| 20:01:12 | nikos | Aelhaz: Click on the HelpPage link at the top right of each wiki page. |
| 20:01:33 | nikos | Aelhaz: Ooops, sorry, I was thinking this was a different channel and we were talking about the hh wiki. |
| 20:01:47 | Aelhaz | nikos: I see no such link |
| 20:02:00 | nikos | Aelhaz: Indeed, sorry, I was talking about another wiki. |
| 20:02:04 | Aelhaz | s'ok |
| 20:02:21 | nikos | http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view//WikiFormat |
| 20:04:02 | BZFlag | I'd be happy to move to another wiki backend, This one was just easy to setup on SF. |
| 20:05:12 | nikos | Looks good to me. |
| 20:05:28 | nikos | Seems to have some benefits over the hh one, and I haven't seen any problems. |
| 20:05:32 | BZFlag | yeah, it fits the need I guess. |
| 20:06:19 | BZFlag | my ideal wiki would work via http PUT as well so netscape etc could all be used as editors. |
| 20:07:31 | BZFlag | I like the hh hierarchy, and have seen others with spell checkers, auto notification on updates, version edit history, etc. |
| 20:08:05 | BZFlag | I'd like it to tie into SF accounts so the SF username is the one tracked. |
| 20:08:25 | BZFlag | stops dreaming... |
| 20:09:09 | Aelhaz | opera does something very strange when editing wiki |
| 20:09:26 | mallum | tanstaafl: good luck ! -- my fingers are crossed ! |
| 20:09:33 | tanstaafl | how far did you get? |
| 20:09:41 | mallum | BZFlag: what is the wiki you use on sf ? |
| 20:10:01 | BZFlag | sfwiki.sourceforge.net |
| 20:10:53 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: I think my editing with opera is the source of all the errant whitespace |
| 20:10:59 | mallum | tanstaafl: I got the libs to build ( check xc/exports/libs ), it started breaking when it got round to programs/xserver |
| 20:11:47 | BZFlag | I dislike the hh [How do I creat a really long wiki topic name so that my URL becomes unreadable and so nobody can recall the name and they all need to search for it every time they want to read it]? |
| 20:12:17 | BZFlag | Aelhaz: that sounds likely. ;-/ |
| 20:16:13 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: it seems to be doubling whitespaces and sometimes carrage returns whenever it edits |
| 20:16:17 | Aelhaz | i just cleaned up tons of it |
| 20:16:30 | Aelhaz | only at hard returns |
| 20:17:19 | mallum | loves it when he fixes seg faults in his code |
| 20:17:44 | Aelhaz | mallum: I love it when i find obscure segfaults in other peoples code :) |
| 20:20:04 | mallum | Aelhaz: well dont look at mine :) Im quite the c newbie ... but getting better ... |
| 20:20:28 | mallum | Aelhaz: I discover #c which is really helpful |
| 20:21:40 | Aelhaz | oh, I don't look at the code, just the results |
| 20:21:43 | Aelhaz | <-- testing goon |
| 20:22:55 | CosmicPenguin | Aelhaz: The TE100 works well then, when following the wiki instructions? |
| 20:23:03 | CosmicPenguin | I shouldn't cancel my order? |
| 20:23:44 | Aelhaz | CosmicPenguin: Yes, it works great |
| 20:23:50 | CosmicPenguin | Aelhaz: Woo-hoo! |
| 20:24:21 | Aelhaz | the axnet thing is just that some asix cards aren't entirely pcnet compatible, and dahinds got tired of hacking up pcnet for them |
| 20:24:32 | Aelhaz | this one actually doesn't work with the axnet driver, only with pcnet |
| 20:25:09 | Aelhaz | Opera sure doesn't seem anxious to get bug reports from users . . |
| 20:25:28 | mallum | BZFlag: could you document your NFS root setup on the wiki ? just the basics - chrooting and /dev file set up |
| 20:27:19 | mallum | Aelhaz: I rewriting xkbd - http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/xkbd |
| 20:30:11 | Aelhaz | OK, submitted a bug report to opera software, we'll see if they think anything of it |
| 20:31:37 | Aelhaz | mallum: On that subject, are you aware that there is a full-screen version of xscribble? http://www.linuxslate.org/software.html |
| 20:32:21 | mallum | Aelhaz: yes xstroke - cworthAWAY 's creation - I think it is better than xscribble |
| 20:33:00 | mallum | Aelhaz: the latest version cworth is working on uses X's render extension |
| 20:33:17 | Aelhaz | mallum: Hadn't heard of xstroke |
| 20:34:09 | Aelhaz | I recently spent some time with some old windoze based pen systems and i have this powerful aversion to pen entry systems that attmept to mimic the roman alphabet too closely - is it graffiti-esq or what? |
| 20:35:10 | mallum | Aelhaz: the new version will look something like this -> http://keithp.com/~keithp/download/showoff.png apparently |
| 20:35:28 | mallum | Aelhaz: xstroke is very flexible, you can define your own alphabets and stuff |
| 20:36:22 | Aelhaz | Pen Windows actually expects to tell the difference between a colon and a semicolon, etc, according to how you draw one on the screen. it's insane. |
| 20:36:32 | mallum | is away: tea break ... |
| 20:36:51 | Aelhaz | I'm incredibly biased because I've been using a palm pilot for a few years |
| 20:43:10 | tanstaafl | mallum were you using the X410 source, or did you grab from CVS? |
| 20:53:31 | Russ | BZFlag: is andersee around? |
| 20:58:55 | mallum | is back (gone 00:22:24) |
| 20:59:13 | mallum | tanstaafl: cvs source, via cvsup tool |
| 21:02:55 | tanstaafl | ah. did you have to add the ipaq touch screen driver, or was it already there? |
| 21:02:58 | tanstaafl | warning: don't use the standard 4.10 distribution unless you want to waste some of your time |
| 21:02:58 | mallum | tanstaafl: already there, I think cvs has quite a bit more stuff than the usual download |
| 21:03:15 | mallum | tanstaafl: I think theres info on that handhelds link I posted |
| 21:05:35 | tanstaafl | yeah, i made the mistake of assuming that the standard 4.10 distribution would be at least as good as CVS around the time of 4.0.2. |
| 21:07:34 | mallum | tanstaafl: I hope you've got a fast connection ;) |
| 21:08:00 | tanstaafl | i'll start now and resume in the AM |
| 21:08:58 | mallum | tanstaafl: do you wanna see my x.cvsup file ? |
| 21:10:03 | mallum | [OT-ish] anyone here good with emacs ? I wanna know how I reformat a block in c mode - so I dont have to TAB everyline ? |
| 21:10:43 | tanstaafl | i set it up with sshsure |
| 21:10:43 | tanstaafl | sure |
| 21:12:52 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: What is your maximum capacity for mailing out TuxScreens? Can you handle it if I mentioned it on the Microwindows mailing list? |
| 21:13:54 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: will you make a jffs image of microwindows available ? |
| 21:14:39 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: SCPing as we speak |
| 21:15:05 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: cool :), did you get many apps on too ? |
| 21:15:31 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: Does the microwindows api mirror X's 'ish' |
| 21:17:05 | bmidgley_ | BZFlag: how did you populate the nfsroot tree from which you removed unconfigured.sh? |
| 21:18:00 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: I have a TS calibrator, a window manager, a terminal, a game and a browser on this image |
| 21:18:21 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: wow, you got viewML to port ? |
| 21:18:31 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: It is very Xish, in fact there is a 1-1 mapping in most cases (ie XLine = GrLine) |
| 21:18:53 | tanstaafl | gotta get viewml to work with uC so you can fit Xbill |
| 21:19:04 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: There are some differences in initalization and whatnot |
| 21:19:05 | tanstaafl | or doom |
| 21:19:41 | CosmicPenguin | tanstaafl: I might be able to fit nxBill on -- Or better yet, port it to straight C.... |
| 21:19:42 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: Microwindows has a concept of gc's, display's etc ... X base types ? |
| 21:20:36 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: It has the concept of GCs - There is no remote networking, so it doesn't have displays. Most of the other types are there, but in some cases they are simpler |
| 21:21:05 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: cool, I may try and port my keyboard over |
| 21:21:08 | CosmicPenguin | tanstaafl: Doom would be tough - The wad file is bigger than the entire flash. That is definately an app that must go on CF.... |
| 21:21:16 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Go for it! |
| 21:21:17 | tanstaafl | true |
| 21:21:41 | Russ | CosmicPenguin: can you upload your source tree? |
| 21:21:44 | mallum | snes9x is the thing to port for games :) |
| 21:21:55 | tanstaafl | mame |
| 21:22:02 | mallum | that too |
| 21:22:06 | BZFlag | bmidgley_: I just grabbed base_2.2.tgz from the debian tree |
| 21:22:12 | mallum | mame is quite big though I believe |
| 21:22:15 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Thats the next thing to SCP..... all going into http://tuxscreen.net/download/microwin |
| 21:23:24 | BZFlag | I've got xmame and a bunch of games on my yopy. |
| 21:23:41 | mallum | BZFlag: you got a yopy ? |
| 21:23:42 | CosmicPenguin | tanstaafl: I might be able to fit mame on. We would have to cut out the unused games, though.... |
| 21:24:04 | BZFlag | mallum: 3 or 4 of em at any given time. |
| 21:24:09 | Russ | BZFlag: is andersee about? |
| 21:24:17 | mallum | A stinget joystick should fit nicely in the tux's serial port too |
| 21:24:39 | BZFlag | he'e here, but not at his desk. I told em you were seeking him. |
| 21:24:48 | mallum | BZFlag: did you catch my request for putting some basic instruictions up on the wiki for setting up nfs ... |
| 21:24:58 | Russ | I have a problem with the latest bb and uclibc at work |
| 21:25:15 | Russ | in ps, all the chars and strings it reads are 4 letters off |
| 21:25:17 | mallum | BZFlag: are the yopy's any good ? |
| 21:25:35 | Russ | so process names are missing the first four letters, etc |
| 21:25:55 | BZFlag | massive thunderstorm here at the moment. I just got back from putting up the top on http://rikers.org/1998timstang.jpg a bit later than I should have |
| 21:26:11 | tanstaafl | that's in orem? |
| 21:26:12 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: Which way is it moving? |
| 21:26:23 | tanstaafl | hopefully south |
| 21:26:24 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: oof, the mustang got soaked? |
| 21:26:53 | BZFlag | mallum: they are not traditional US standards. buttons are flakey, display has pixel artifacts. But it looks like I'll be able to get them fairly cheaply and they do have 32M flash. |
| 21:27:14 | BZFlag | the new yopy will be smaller, and have 32M flash 64M ram |
| 21:27:31 | mallum | BZFlag: I was luck enough to get an ipaq with 32mg of flash |
| 21:27:39 | BZFlag | Aelhaz: well, wet. I caught it before it got too soaked. |
| 21:27:49 | BZFlag | mallum: ooh. I wish I had one. |
| 21:28:23 | mallum | BZFlag: I did realise for ages , that most people got 16 and was wondering why everybody was filling up there roms and I had loads of space left |
| 21:28:35 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: the windows are cracked on my jetta, I figure the seats will only get a little wet . . . |
| 21:28:39 | CosmicPenguin | tanstaafl: Some nasty storrms are headed this way too |
| 21:28:42 | Aelhaz | whereas I'd get really wet if i went out in this |
| 21:28:57 | nikos | wants a twike |
| 21:28:59 | mallum | We dont really get storms in england - just rain ..... |
| 21:32:16 | Aelhaz | I've got a good picture i took in a storm like this, almost a year ago exactly, come to think of it, hold on . . . |
| 21:32:59 | Aelhaz | http://we.areb.org/~alhaz/StormBreak.jpg |
| 21:33:05 | Aelhaz | taken from the window that's right behind me |
| 21:33:47 | Aelhaz | here's the trick: Utah only looks pretty when it's wet |
| 21:34:28 | CosmicPenguin | Or when its about to get wet - Thunderstorms in the distance are a pretty cool sight.... |
| 21:36:10 | tanstaafl | mallum we dont' usually get storms in utah that often, just sun 8^) |
| 21:36:16 | tanstaafl | at least in the summer |
| 21:37:07 | tanstaafl | we are borg. that's clever |
| 21:37:38 | tanstaafl | hope this storm doesnt cost me any uptime |
| 21:37:49 | Russ | hey andersee |
| 21:38:00 | BZFlag | hmmm.. can't recall all my linuxrc hacks.. building a PivotRoot wiki page. |
| 21:38:28 | Aelhaz | tanstaafl: one of my friends has wrathof.com, we were surprised it was still available mid-2000 |
| 21:38:29 | BZFlag | tanstaafl: did already for me, I reset my server cause I had never hooked up the UPS. ;-) |
| 21:38:34 | mallum | BZFlag: I was wondering what pivot_root was ... after checking the intimate linuxrc |
| 21:38:46 | tanstaafl | oops! |
| 21:38:58 | BZFlag | mallum: is the initmate one on the web some place? |
| 21:38:59 | tanstaafl | i have one at 228 and another guy at work has one at like 488 |
| 21:39:21 | mallum | BZFlag: I can paste it in here if you want ( I got it from the intimate-boot ipkg ) |
| 21:39:51 | BZFlag | tanstaafl: /msg it? |
| 21:40:12 | mallum | BZFlag: was that to me ? |
| 21:40:19 | CosmicPenguin | tanstaafl: I can't wait for the 488 box to wrap.... |
| 21:40:38 | tanstaafl | what is the wrap day, 495? |
| 21:40:49 | BZFlag | mallum: ahh, sorry. yes |
| 21:42:15 | CosmicPenguin | tanstaafl: I think so, I would have to do the math to know for sure.... |
| 21:42:56 | mallum | BZFlag: intimate uses devfs though, not sure if thats needed to perform this trick.... |
| 21:43:50 | BZFlag | nope. I'm doing it now. |
| 21:46:01 | CosmicPenguin | All: The Microwindows jffs2 image and rootfs tarball are in the download/microwin directory..... |
| 21:46:31 | CosmicPenguin | Source code will be forthcoming tommorrow: I still need to toss a README in and clean things up a little bit |
| 21:46:34 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: already got it ;) |
| 21:46:57 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: preparing to flash .... |
| 21:53:54 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: is the one uClibc based on glibc based? |
| 21:57:32 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: ?? |
| 21:57:43 | CosmicPenguin | Wow, that storm just hit.... its a biggy |
| 21:59:16 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: what C library are you basing your microwindows stuff on? |
| 21:59:51 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: Is is a pretty nasty storm. When it gets so dark and storm it makes me feel depressed... |
| 22:00:30 | Russ | I love storms |
| 22:00:53 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: All of the straight Nano-X stuff is based on uClibc, but I had to compile ViewML as a static with the regular glibc |
| 22:00:58 | mallum | are you getting forked lightning and stuff ? |
| 22:01:07 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Because of the C++ problem |
| 22:01:31 | Aelhaz | mallum: think I've seen forked . . . . |
| 22:01:36 | Aelhaz | during this storm, I mean |
| 22:01:40 | Aelhaz | it's quieted down a bit down here |
| 22:01:48 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Lightning and the whole bit. We've even hear of funnel cloud settings |
| 22:02:11 | BZFlag | http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view//PivotRoot <- nfs or ide root info. |
| 22:02:20 | CosmicPenguin | s/settings/sightings/ |
| 22:03:24 | mallum | BZFlag: many thanks ... is pivot_root include with the 0.3 images ? |
| 22:03:31 | BZFlag | mallum: yes. |
| 22:03:38 | Russ | kick ass CosmicPenguin |
| 22:04:06 | mallum | BZFlag: cool, also what happed with /dev - does that still need to be set up or does pivot_root handle that ? |
| 22:07:54 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: microwindows appears to just lock up on the callibration screen :c |
| 22:08:26 | CosmicPenguin | Ack! What kernel version are you running? |
| 22:08:58 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: zImage-2.4.6-rmk2-np1-tux3-pcmcia-ts |
| 22:09:34 | Russ | BZFlag: the blown up schematic is not what is in the tuxscreen |
| 22:10:09 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: hhmmm... I'm running a monolithic 2.47-rmk2-np1 kernel... So if you need modules or something, it might go crazy on you..... |
| 22:10:42 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Try running /usr/local/bin/nano-X & /usr/local/bin/tuxcal at the shell prompt and see if it give you back error messages.... |
| 22:11:01 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: I dont even seem to be able to get a shell prompt |
| 22:11:13 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: via minicom |
| 22:11:16 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: You running devfs? |
| 22:11:40 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: not that I know of ... unless that newer kernel has it |
| 22:12:26 | CosmicPenguin | Nothing happens if you tap at the screen a few times? |
| 22:13:13 | mallum | one sec ... tux is downstairs connected to laptop |
| 22:13:22 | CosmicPenguin | No worries... |
| 22:13:25 | BZFlag | Russ: why not? |
| 22:13:59 | Russ | I can see a 8478... in the corner |
| 22:14:29 | Russ | the part in the tuxscreen is a 847985900 |
| 22:14:57 | Russ | I'm having trouble finding anything identifying on the other schematic |
| 22:15:47 | BZFlag | mallum: devfs would have to be setup to boot Intimate, but not debian. er should probably exec /linuxrc on the new root so that it can continue with any required setup. |
| 22:16:42 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: I put my kernel in the download/microwin directory as well.... |
| 22:16:45 | BZFlag | 847985900 is just an internal part number, no? |
| 22:16:51 | Russ | right |
| 22:16:58 | Russ | its printed on a sticker on the module |
| 22:16:59 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: no screen shots? ;-) |
| 22:17:05 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: its completed lock up with 'freeing init memory' |
| 22:17:15 | Russ | the BOM identifies it as mongoose3 |
| 22:17:24 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: ok thx, will try your kernel later ( probably tommorow now ... ) |
| 22:17:29 | BZFlag | Russ: ok, and? |
| 22:17:45 | Russ | BZFlag: I'm just working out the schematics |
| 22:17:54 | mallum | BZFlag: thanks, what exactly does pivot_root do ? and whys it needed ? |
| 22:18:11 | BZFlag | Russ: I thought you had reason to believe they were wrong? I'm just wondering what the reason is. |
| 22:18:12 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: Screen shots tommorrow when I get a digital camera |
| 22:18:20 | Russ | who was wrong? |
| 22:18:34 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: But you saw stuff on the screen, right? |
| 22:18:49 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: yes, looked like a clibrartion screen |
| 22:18:52 | Russ | I'm trying to determine if the second schematic is the mongoose1, or mongoose3 |
| 22:19:31 | Russ | I'm guessing the mongoose1, because thats what the BOM is for |
| 22:19:46 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: So it is either ignoring your pressees, or it is locked up. |
| 22:20:29 | CosmicPenguin | Tonight I will add an escape key so you can bail out of it and get to a prompt even if it can't read the touchscreen |
| 22:20:49 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: yep - and I guessing locked up as there is no prompt on the serial |
| 22:21:01 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: cool, thx |
| 22:22:12 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Actually, the touch screen is spawned in the init scripts, so I'll bet that init is just sitting around waiting for the program to exit |
| 22:23:59 | BZFlag | mallum: man pivot_root |
| 22:24:10 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Just for fun, try hitting escape on your keyboard |
| 22:24:31 | BZFlag | Russ: <Russ> BZFlag: the blown up schematic is not what is in the tuxscreen |
| 22:24:59 | mallum | BZFlag: aha, didn't really pivot_root was that 'regular' :) |
| 22:25:02 | Russ | BZFlag: right, that schematic is of the mongoose module, the one in the tuxscreen is the mongoose3 |
| 22:25:20 | BZFlag | ahh! ok. I can easily believe that. |
| 22:25:59 | Russ | class |
| 22:30:52 | mallum_ | CosmicPenguin: ok esc gave me some messages |
| 22:31:10 | mallum_ | CosmicPenguin: run-parts: no such file ot directory |
| 22:31:22 | mallum_ | CosmicPenguin: INIT entering run level 2 |
| 22:31:30 | mallum_ | Calibrating the screen.... |
| 22:31:41 | mallum_ | nxclient: retry attempt 1 |
| 22:31:51 | mallum_ | Opened the tuxscreen on 6 |
| 22:31:59 | mallum_ | PD_close called |
| 22:32:40 | mallum_ | still locked though |
| 22:32:59 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, so it was sitting there spinning on the TS read.... thats the same problem I had when I first got linux on this thing.... |
| 22:35:30 | BZFlag | has to hack on the pivot_root stuff till he can get the old root to unmount. ;-) |
| 22:36:54 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Upgrading to 2.4.7 will fix the problem, but thats more of a bandaid than a fix.... |
| 22:40:44 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Whats happening is this: When you read the TS driver, if your buffer isn't big enough, then the read() returns a zero..... |
| 22:41:37 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: I see. I'll try your kernel tommorow - bed time for me in a mo... |
| 22:42:36 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, I will hack at it tonight and try to get a more forgiving version on the web tommorrow.... |
| 22:43:57 | mallum | cool |
| 22:47:27 | CosmicPenguin | The next step: the backlight controls.... |
| 22:49:20 | andersee | Backlight control would be very nice -- I currently unplug the thing at night to make it not glow at me (mine sits in my bedroom) |
| 22:49:54 | mallum | andersee: do you know if anyone has compiled X with uClibc ? |
| 22:56:06 | CosmicPenguin | I guess its time to brave the storm and head home. If anyone has problems with the Microwindows stuff, then e-mail me (address is on the Wiki) |
| 22:56:06 | CosmicPenguin | jordanc@censoft.com |
| 23:10:12 | nelson | So do the schematics actually tell us how the DSP is accessible from the ARM? |
| 23:13:20 | nelson | xv makes a crappy viewer for images larger than the screen. Any suggestions? |
| 23:14:23 | Aelhaz | redhat's electric eyes (ee or eeyes) is better than a kick in the pants |
| 23:15:50 | nelson | Yep, as long as you can scroll a window around. Yes, it doesn't suck quite so badly. Hmmm... They multiplex the D/A using a sample&hold. |
| 23:18:06 | nelson | Dang, the DSP does a lot. If we can't talk to the DSP, we're screwed. |
| 23:18:28 | Aelhaz | bzflag says he has some code |
| 23:22:28 | nelson | I wonder what functions the DSP has. It looks like it has the ability to fully and completely sit between the line and the handset. That means, for example, that we could run PGPPhone on it. |
| 23:23:01 | nelson | Presuming, of course, that the DSP can be a modem and talk to the handset at the same time. Big presumption. |
| 23:25:06 | nelson | Hmmm.... Looks like the DSP sits on the SPI bus. |
| 23:27:08 | nelson | What kind of kernel support is there for the SPI interface on the ARM? |
| 23:28:01 | nelson | Also, speaking of the backlight (somebody was earlier), it looks like the backlight is on one of the GPIO pins. |
| 23:38:15 | Russ | the backlight is easy |
| 23:38:22 | Russ | its via the ucb gpio's |
| 23:38:31 | Aelhaz | Usually with a DSP, you feed it code and let it do it's thing. I imagine BZFlag has a copy of the code that inferno uploads to the DSP. Making the DSP do other things would of course invole writing code that will run on it . . . . we know now which dsp it is, right? |
| 23:38:34 | Russ | I just don't know how to export it to userspage |
| 23:38:52 | Russ | the DSP firmware seems to be burned into the DSP |
| 23:39:12 | Russ | I'm attempting to determine how the DSP is connected to the SA-1100 |
| 23:39:19 | Aelhaz | Russ: Yeah, it has flash, so that could be the case |
| 23:39:32 | Russ | it also has jtag |
| 23:44:07 | BZFlag | some of that DSP series is write once. I don't think this one is, but I'm not sure. |
| 23:44:27 | BZFlag | Russ: what was the word they used? hmmm... |
| 23:47:13 | Russ | for what? |
| 23:48:37 | BZFlag | ROM 24 Kword diffusion <- the firmware |
| 23:48:46 | BZFlag | what is diffusion ROM? |
| 23:50:03 | nelson | Aelhaz: I'm expecting that the dsp has its own storage. Otherwise the phone couldn't work without ARM support. |
| 23:50:24 | Russ | looks at the BOM |
| 23:51:48 | Russ | the mongoose1 aparently has no rom or flash footprints |
| 23:52:00 | Russ | so the smaller schematic must be the mongoose3 |
| 23:52:36 | Russ | so we have a large schematic of the mongoose, a BOM of the mongoose1, (generic, but filled out for the mongoose1), and a small schematic for the mongoose3 |
| 23:53:30 | BZFlag | nelson: yes. see the LucentDSP FlashDSP 1650 data sheet for complete docs. |
| 23:53:36 | Russ | the mongoose3 has footprints for 4M audio flash chips (which seem to be unpopulated by inspection) |
| 23:53:44 | BZFlag | it has internal ROM 24 Kword diffusion |
| 23:55:42 | Russ | the other extra chip on the board looks to be a 128kx8 ROM from AMI (could look up and verify this) |
| 23:57:08 | Russ | also, there is a small 2k-64k serial eeprom that does not connect to anything on the board |
| 23:57:37 | Russ | that must be what the info you gave me must be talking about when it says serial flash |
| 23:58:04 | Russ | er, nm, missed the bus signal |
| 23:58:22 | BZFlag | I expect so. |
| 23:58:58 | Russ | the cave drawings show the voice flash chips, as well as the eeprom |
| 23:59:27 | Russ | err.... the rom, but not serial rom |
