| 00:24:01 | BZFlag | is doing some yopy hacking. |
| 00:24:15 | Russ | fun |
| 00:27:45 | Sammy | hi all |
| 00:54:19 | nelson | BZFlag: What files do you need for Xipaq besides Xipaq itself? |
| 00:57:39 | BZFlag | none |
| 00:57:53 | BZFlag | hmm... perhaps some libs. |
| 00:57:58 | BZFlag | no config though. |
| 00:58:00 | nelson | I've got an Xipaq which is 727416 bytes, and is chmod 755. That's the same as on the iPAQ, but when I say "./Xipaq", tux says "./Xipaq: No such file or directory. |
| 00:59:19 | BZFlag | try file Xipaq on your x86 box |
| 00:59:27 | nelson | Xipaq: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Advanced RISC Machines ARM, version 1, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 00:59:31 | nelson | (already had) |
| 00:59:59 | nelson | But I notice that there's no ldd on tux |
| 01:00:03 | BZFlag | hmmm... don's suppose you have ldd for arm? ;-( |
| 01:00:18 | nelson | it's on the ipaq. |
| 01:00:31 | BZFlag | there is a cross platform ldd in the busybox tree someplace. |
| 01:00:37 | BZFlag | written in perl IIRC |
| 01:00:47 | nelson | libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0x40021000) |
| 01:00:47 | nelson | libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x4004f000) |
| 01:00:47 | nelson | /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x40000000) |
| 01:01:07 | BZFlag | ok, so you have those files copied over? |
| 01:01:20 | nelson | tux has no /lib/ld-linux, nor libm. |
| 01:01:28 | nelson | Nope. 'zat my bad? |
| 01:01:50 | BZFlag | this is a recompiled Xipaq? or the just copied over? |
| 01:01:56 | nelson | just copied. |
| 01:02:19 | BZFlag | yeah, you will need those 3 files as well. My bet is libc won't fit in flash. |
| 01:02:31 | BZFlag | remember I was running nfs chrooted. |
| 01:02:40 | BZFlag | CF storage card should work too. |
| 01:03:03 | nelson | Libc's already there. |
| 01:03:07 | BZFlag | needs a current x86 mkjffs2 |
| 01:03:21 | BZFlag | not libc.so.6 though, right? |
| 01:03:36 | Russ | BZFlag: debian package |
| 01:04:02 | nelson | No, libc.so.0, sigh. |
| 01:04:23 | BZFlag | Russ: ahh! thankx |
| 01:05:22 | BZFlag | duh, mkfs.jffs2 was already installed. ;-/ |
| 01:05:22 | nelson | Yeah, libc is going to fill up the flash. I need to set up a chrooted environment, otherwise ole tux is useless. |
| 01:06:03 | BZFlag | just unpack the familar tarball onto a CF card and hack /linuxrc to detect and boot it. |
| 03:07:40 | nelson | foo |
| 03:17:45 | | nelson is nothing but a festering heap of uninspiring craptacular carpet droppings. |
| 03:17:45 | BZFlag | ibot: insult nelson |
| 03:23:42 | nelson | 's internet connection accepts the insult. |
| 03:56:20 | | nelson'a internet connection is nothing but a clapper-clawed assload of egg-sucking cat bladders. |
| 03:56:20 | BZFlag | ibot: insult nelson'a internet connection |
| 11:56:59 | mallum | hi nelson |
| 11:59:12 | nelson | Hi, mallum. What's necessary to make a chrooted NFS setup? |
| 12:07:16 | mallum | it what respect software or hardware ? |
| 12:56:00 | mallum | nelson: I was playing with chrooting an intimate'd microdrive at the weekend |
| 12:56:09 | mallum | nelson: I had some success |
| 12:56:39 | mallum | nelson: I think the next step is to check the intimate linuxrc script |
| 13:34:40 | nelson | mallum: thanks, I'll take a look at it. |
| 13:47:28 | mallum | nelson: the difference is intimate uses devfs, whilst the tuxscreen dont |
| 13:47:44 | mallum | nelson: I dont think that should cause too much of a problem though |
| 13:56:09 | tanstaafl | has anyone been working on a uclinux-compiled Xfbdev? |
| 13:57:28 | tanstaafl | also, where did eric jorgensen find a $30 trendnet pcmcia adapter? |
| 13:58:08 | mallum | tanstaafl: I unfortnatly have ... |
| 14:00:08 | mallum | tanstaafl: have you tried ? |
| 14:02:46 | tanstaafl | just started late friday. uClinux' makefile is kind of non-functional at the moment |
| 14:02:59 | tanstaafl | markl@penguin:~/prj/uClibc>make |
| 14:03:02 | tanstaafl | |
| 14:03:04 | tanstaafl | The path '/home/markl/prj/tux-linux-2.4/include/asm' doesn't exist. |
| 14:03:16 | tanstaafl | not sure why that -f include/asm/unistd.h is failing, the file is there |
| 14:03:57 | tanstaafl | are you having trouble with the X build system?. |
| 14:04:05 | tanstaafl | it's kind of complex |
| 14:04:21 | tanstaafl | especially for cross compiling |
| 14:06:09 | mallum | tanstaafl: are you x-compiling too ? |
| 14:08:51 | tanstaafl | once I get uclinux to compile... |
| 14:08:57 | tanstaafl | yeah |
| 14:09:11 | tanstaafl | sorry, i got the wrong meaning of X there |
| 14:09:32 | tanstaafl | yes, cross compiling |
| 14:09:38 | mallum | you need the kernel source |
| 14:09:51 | mallum | patched with the rmk patches |
| 14:10:07 | mallum | then config it for lart |
| 14:10:14 | tanstaafl | got that |
| 14:10:35 | tanstaafl | i ran menuconfig, which created the symlinks and all that |
| 14:10:45 | mallum | make sure the uclibc config points at the kernel src at the right place |
| 14:10:57 | mallum | and then you should be able to make |
| 14:10:58 | tanstaafl | got it |
| 14:11:01 | tanstaafl | still fails |
| 14:11:04 | nikos | Don't you also need to make dep? |
| 14:11:10 | tanstaafl | lets try it |
| 14:11:40 | mallum | yes make dep |
| 14:12:06 | mallum | for X you'll also need libm and zlib |
| 14:14:06 | tanstaafl | did you build those from source? |
| 14:14:35 | mallum | libm comes with uclibc ( check config ) |
| 14:14:49 | mallum | built zlib my self - was staitforward |
| 14:15:00 | tanstaafl | make dep didn't help |
| 14:15:06 | tanstaafl | weird |
| 14:16:06 | tanstaafl | The path '/home/markl/prj/tux-linux-2.4/include/asm' doesn't exist. |
| 14:16:13 | tanstaafl | markl@penguin:~/prj/uClibc>ls -l /home/markl/prj/tux-linux-2.4/include/asm/unistd.h |
| 14:16:21 | tanstaafl | @if [ ! -f include/asm/unistd.h ] ; then \ |
| 14:16:41 | mallum | tanstaafl: asm should be a symlink to asm-arm |
| 14:16:57 | mallum | tanstaafl: you may have to change it manually |
| 14:17:38 | mallum | tanstaafl: I think make dep should do it |
| 14:17:47 | tanstaafl | the symlink is definitely there |
| 14:17:59 | tanstaafl | markl@penguin:~/prj/uClibc>ls -l /home/markl/prj/tux-linux-2.4/include/asm/unistd.h |
| 14:18:01 | tanstaafl | -rw-r--r-- 1 markl markl 15995 Aug 17 17:11 /home/markl/prj/tux-linux-2.4/include/asm/unistd.h |
| 14:18:31 | mallum | that is wierd |
| 14:20:56 | tanstaafl | yeah, I must have something weird that is messed up |
| 15:00:35 | nikos | is away: Errands |
| 15:02:53 | mallum | Hi CosmicPenguin |
| 15:04:15 | tanstaafl | whats up jordan |
| 15:04:17 | tanstaafl | er cp |
| 15:04:27 | mallum | aha ! |
| 15:06:45 | CosmicPenguin | Mark, Mallum - How are you guys doing? |
| 15:07:08 | mallum | IN recovery after ateempted X uclibc cross compile |
| 15:07:14 | Russ | tanstaafl: I know the uClibc makefiles are just fine |
| 15:07:46 | mallum | hi Russ |
| 15:07:47 | CosmicPenguin | <-- Is praying that I can build w3c-libwww with uClibc.... |
| 15:07:55 | tanstaafl | yeah, i'm sure they are; i'm just getting that weird error where -f isn't working |
| 15:11:51 | mallum | hi Aelhaz |
| 15:14:17 | Aelhaz | hi mallum |
| 15:15:40 | Russ | tanstaafl: I'm telling you, the makefiles are fine |
| 15:16:00 | Russ | why are you using -f anyway? |
| 15:17:11 | tanstaafl | the makefile is using -f to see if include/asm exists |
| 15:17:13 | Russ | note |
| 15:17:31 | Russ | don't use the Config.cross.arm.uclinux |
| 15:17:47 | Russ | as part of test |
| 15:20:25 | Russ | tanstaafl: -l include |
| 15:20:28 | Russ | er |
| 15:20:33 | Russ | ls -l include |
| 15:21:04 | Russ | if you make a symlink Config -> ./extra/Configs/Config.arm or copied Config.arm to Config |
| 15:21:06 | tanstaafl | sorry, you lost me; what do you mean by "don't use the Config.cross.arm.uclinux as part of test" |
| 15:21:23 | Russ | it should show the asm symlink in include |
| 15:21:32 | Russ | tanstaafl: two seperate statements sorry |
| 15:21:33 | tanstaafl | do you mean to not use Config.cross.arm.uclinux at all |
| 15:21:38 | Russ | tanstaafl: right |
| 15:21:40 | tanstaafl | ok, makes more sense now. 8^) |
| 15:21:42 | tanstaafl | thanks |
| 15:21:46 | Russ | -f is an argument to test |
| 15:21:57 | Russ | uclinux is mmu'less linux |
| 15:22:50 | Russ | bbialw |
| 15:23:39 | CosmicPenguin | Feel free to add w3c-libwww to the list of successful uClibc packages.... :) |
| 15:28:50 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: cool :) |
| 15:29:13 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: will you be making binaries publically available ? |
| 15:29:48 | mallum | is away: going home ... |
| 15:30:53 | CosmicPenguin | Ack - He bailed on us! |
| 15:31:29 | CosmicPenguin | But for anyone else who was wondering: I am going to make everything regarding the Microwindows stuff open and available to all. |
| 15:33:19 | CosmicPenguin | Right now its a little chaotic - I am still working on a window manager, and as soon as I get that working to my satisfaction, I will provide all the source that is needed |
| 15:33:39 | Russ | CosmicPenguin: what about this inb/outb stuff |
| 15:34:02 | Russ | wouldn't it make much more sense to patch microwindows than uClibc? |
| 15:39:18 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Forget anything I've ever said on the issue, I did patch Microwindows |
| 15:39:40 | CosmicPenguin | I still think that we need inb/outb for the ARM, but its not something to be entered into lightly.... |
| 15:40:14 | CosmicPenguin | I apologize: I got a little too excited and got ahead of myself.... :) |
| 15:40:40 | tanstaafl | ok I grabbed a kingston CIO10T on ebay. hopefully it will work |
| 15:40:48 | Russ | inb/outb is really an isa bus thing |
| 15:40:59 | BZFlag | tanstaafl: how much $$? |
| 15:41:02 | Russ | if its used for arm, it should really be fixed |
| 15:42:22 | tanstaafl | $25 + 5 shipping |
| 15:43:19 | Russ | tanstaafl: is it 3.3V 16bit? (not cardbus) |
| 15:43:23 | Aelhaz | I grabbed one for $14+$9 but the guy hasn't emailed me yet |
| 15:43:34 | BZFlag | Aelhaz: me too, and me neither. |
| 15:43:59 | Russ | away |
| 15:44:30 | BZFlag | CF cards are all required to support 3.3v and 5v power. so all will work at 3.3v in the shannon. |
| 15:44:39 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: the trendware cf nics keep getting bid higher than i'm willing to pay just to experiment with them. |
| 15:44:48 | BZFlag | agreed. |
| 15:45:21 | cworth | anyone try 802.11 yet? |
| 15:45:39 | Aelhaz | thought someone said their wavelan/orinoco silver wokred |
| 15:45:40 | Aelhaz | worked |
| 15:46:36 | Aelhaz | the guy who's advertising TE100-PC16R cards is really selling TE100-PCBUSR, he just has his head up his ass |
| 15:46:57 | Aelhaz | his prices are high anyway, for ebay |
| 15:47:25 | nikos | is back |
| 15:49:10 | BZFlag | my orinco does not. 3v only. |
| 15:49:32 | BZFlag | er 5v only. |
| 15:50:05 | cworth | BZFlag: have you tried it? I've heard that almost all 802.11 cards are spec.'d at 5V but actually work at 3V. |
| 15:52:26 | Aelhaz | cworth: I have some prism2 based cards that appear to be happy with 3.3v but wvlan_cs hasn't been in any of the kernels so far |
| 15:53:04 | Aelhaz | and i *still haven't set up a crossdev environment. But I'm certian the box I want to run it on is stable now, at least. Maybe tonight. |
| 15:54:28 | Aelhaz | might get my te100-pc16r today. maybe. UPS willing. |
| 15:56:11 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: There was stuff in the |
| 15:56:18 | CosmicPenguin | Sorry, ignore that..... |
| 16:00:35 | tanstaafl | russ thanks for the Config tip |
| 16:00:45 | tanstaafl | it's a-compilin |
| 16:02:22 | BZFlag | cworth: tried my orinco, yes. might be a config issue though, I'll mess with it some more later. |
| 16:02:54 | BZFlag | Aelhaz: the wvlan_cs is in the kernels I released. |
| 16:12:22 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: OK, I'll give that another shot tonight |
| 16:21:29 | bmidgley | any success stories using the CIO10T card? |
| 16:22:37 | bmidgley | or the te100? |
| 16:24:40 | Aelhaz | bmidgley: They haven't arrived to be tested yet |
| 16:24:55 | Aelhaz | bmidgley: My TE100 should/may be here later today |
| 16:29:05 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: What was wrong with your orinco config? |
| 16:34:22 | bmidgley | anyone bootstrapped debian? (i want to run it over nfsroot) |
| 16:35:32 | Aelhaz | ups says my TE100 left las vegas about 10 minutes ago, so I'm betting on arrival tomorrow, tho the ups goon might decide he wants a signature, and i won't be at home . . . |
| 16:40:37 | mallum | hi all |
| 16:44:40 | CosmicPenguin | wb mallum |
| 16:44:54 | mallum | hi Cosmic |
| 16:45:05 | mallum | tanstaafl: any joy with uClibc yet ? |
| 16:54:29 | mallum | I've noticed stuff needing wchar.h wont compile with uclibc |
| 16:55:24 | mallum | top of wchar.h says; |
| 16:55:26 | mallum | * ISO C99 Standard: 7.24 |
| 16:55:26 | mallum | * Extended multibyte and wide character utilities <wchar.h> |
| 16:55:26 | mallum | */ |
| 16:57:01 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: it was early on in the pcmcia testing. I don't recall if the wavelan_cs/wvlan_cs was set right. |
| 16:57:57 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: Ok. |
| 16:58:56 | CosmicPenguin | On the ipaq mailing list, somebody mentioned a ' DLink DCF-650W 802.11b compact flash card'... Anyone else heard anything about this? |
| 16:59:29 | BZFlag | http://www.dlink.com/products/DigitalHome/Mobile/dcf650w/ |
| 17:00:23 | CosmicPenguin | bzflag: what chipset does it have/ |
| 17:02:08 | CosmicPenguin | $199 |
| 17:03:40 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: no word on the net that I can find |
| 17:04:28 | mallum | I've got one of them kingston cf cards ordered ... should recieve in the next couple of days |
| 17:06:26 | CosmicPenguin | I can't decide if I want to jump on the bandwagon or wait for reports from the field.... :) |
| 17:07:05 | bmidgley | any good sources for ram? is 32M the max sodimm? |
| 17:09:39 | bmidgley | http://TuxScreen.SourceForge.net/wiki/view/Main/SODIMM says carlworth tried a 64M under inferno |
| 17:10:19 | bmidgley | but has anyone tried once blob is on? |
| 17:10:52 | cworth | I have not yet. |
| 17:11:37 | mallum | cworth: have you lost it :) ? |
| 17:15:03 | cworth | mallum: something like that, (buried in my boss's office somewhere). |
| 17:53:14 | BZFlag | just paid for my cio10t |
| 17:56:04 | mallum | BZFlag: I paid for one today aswell |
| 17:58:24 | tanstaafl | mallum uClibc finally built; I started with the wrong config file. |
| 17:58:43 | tanstaafl | now i need to look at libm & zlib and then start suffering with X |
| 17:58:45 | mallum | tanstaafl: cool :) |
| 17:58:58 | Russ|werk | uclibc has libm |
| 17:59:12 | mallum | tanstaafl: you will need a hosts.def file for X |
| 17:59:30 | mallum | tanstaafl: yes build uclibc with libm turned on |
| 17:59:32 | Russ|werk | just make a libz.a for zlib |
| 18:00:31 | mallum | tanstaafl: jacques_gone has a host.def file for X on the ipaq ( I trashed mine ) |
| 18:00:54 | tanstaafl | oops |
| 18:01:20 | mallum | tanstaafl: however Im not sure if jacques_gone one is correct ... |
| 18:03:25 | mallum | tanstaafl: it defines 2 ipaq servers ( I think ) and one is non-existant in the source. So I was getting a wierd build error where gcc was trying to link something with no object file. I tryed to work round this, but broke something in the process |
| 18:03:46 | mallum | tanstaafl: I then decieded Id put it on hold for a while ... |
| 18:17:27 | tanstaafl | a lot of people say that about cross compiling X: "i'm putting it on hold" |
| 18:17:41 | tanstaafl | i hope it's easier these days |
| 18:19:21 | mallum | tanstaafl: it wasn't that bad ... I got all the libs to compile, it was just the damn server |
| 18:19:32 | mallum | tanstaafl: theres so much code in there its quite daunting |
| 18:19:45 | CosmicPenguin | Uncle_billy |
| 18:20:26 | mallum | ? |
| 18:20:33 | Russ|werk | how big was libX11? |
| 18:20:47 | CosmicPenguin | Sorry, I was meaning to go in some other window.... stupid X |
| 18:21:23 | mallum | Russ|werk: one sec I'll tell you |
| 18:21:47 | CosmicPenguin | Screensaver went absolutely nuts..... bbl |
| 18:23:08 | mallum | 904k - unstripped |
| 19:48:49 | | hello, mHohensee |
| 19:48:49 | mHohensee | Hi |
| 19:49:04 | Aelhaz | hi |
| 19:49:33 | mHohensee | I'm trying to figure out whether TuxScreen'd make a good wearable platform |
| 19:49:46 | mHohensee | Is this an old question by now? :-) |
| 19:50:47 | Aelhaz | I dunno, actually |
| 19:50:56 | Aelhaz | Check the power reqs on the brick |
| 19:51:35 | mHohensee | Wonder how impossible it'd be to connect a hard drive to it |
| 19:51:42 | Aelhaz | http://www.tuxscreen.net/img/mvc-598f.jpg |
| 19:51:57 | Aelhaz | mHohensee: microdrives and cf flash cards work in pcmcia adapters in the pcmcia slots |
| 19:52:44 | mHohensee | Was hoping to be able to interface a boring old IDE drive, since they're cheap and I've already got 5 of them lying around :-) |
| 19:53:03 | Aelhaz | looks like 5v at 600mA and 3.3v at 1.25a |
| 19:53:10 | mHohensee | nod |
| 19:53:20 | Aelhaz | you could probably do that with a goodsize 6v pack |
| 19:54:54 | Aelhaz | You could probably calculate how long you could run it with, say, a pair of sony infolithiums |
| 19:55:12 | Aelhaz | note that we haven't worked out the controlls for the backlight on the lcd |
| 19:55:16 | mHohensee | yah. Powersupply wasn't as big a factor in my mind, actually |
| 19:55:36 | mHohensee | Hmm. The specs aren't available for the hardware? |
| 19:56:16 | Aelhaz | we know what the hardware is, I think, we just haven't worked it out in software |
| 19:56:42 | Aelhaz | The two boards aren't really very big, but they are mounted offset. You could get a little smaller than the stock casing, but not a lot smaller |
| 19:57:25 | mHohensee | what are the actual dimensions? I can't find them on the tuxscreen.net page |
| 19:58:21 | Aelhaz | I was just noticing that i can't find them either |
| 19:58:54 | mHohensee | At a guess from the pictures, it doesn't look much bigger than 8.5x11 inches... |
| 19:59:00 | Aelhaz | right |
| 19:59:11 | Aelhaz | the middle of the communications board connects to the edge of the main board |
| 19:59:24 | mHohensee | You don't happen to have one of these yourself? |
| 19:59:25 | Aelhaz | you *might be able to shrink it a little by using a cable instead of a direct connector |
| 19:59:28 | Aelhaz | two |
| 19:59:54 | mHohensee | How well attached is that touchscreen? :-) |
| 20:00:14 | mHohensee | Would it be happy if I, say, ripped it off and extended the wires? :-) |
| 20:00:24 | Aelhaz | it's connected with printed ribbon cables |
| 20:00:29 | Aelhaz | might work on longer cables |
| 20:00:40 | Aelhaz | I don't know much about lcd signalling |
| 20:01:29 | mHohensee | Hmm. From what I hear, it should be ok if you don't go too far, and you add uniform lengths... |
| 20:01:50 | mHohensee | although I should check the hardware spec before saying that, I guess |
| 20:02:03 | Aelhaz | yeah |
| 20:02:36 | Aelhaz | you might look for info on using the LART in wearables, since this hardware is vaguely similar |
| 20:04:01 | mHohensee | I see what remind me of IDE connectors on http://tuxscreen.net/img/mvc-613f.jpg |
| 20:04:07 | mHohensee | what are they really? |
| 20:04:30 | mHohensee | board-board interconnects? |
| 20:04:57 | Aelhaz | that's where the communication board connects |
| 20:05:16 | Aelhaz | http://www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/Main/CommunicationsBoard |
| 20:05:34 | Aelhaz | now, they used ferrite blocks as spacers on that connector |
| 20:05:43 | Aelhaz | so you might not be able to go any longer |
| 20:06:11 | mHohensee | nod |
| 20:06:59 | mHohensee | If I may ask, what do you use your set of TuxScreens for? |
| 20:07:08 | Aelhaz | hmm, maybe i remembered wrong, looks like a regular ribbon connector for the lcd |
| 20:07:21 | Aelhaz | just tinkering - I work with Tim Riker |
| 20:07:47 | Aelhaz | they don't serve a practical purpose for me |
| 20:09:02 | mHohensee | Cool. looks pretty interesting. |
| 20:09:38 | mHohensee | cheap, too. If I can figure out how, it'd be nice to make a thin client wearable out of it |
| 20:10:13 | Aelhaz | yeah |
| 20:10:35 | Aelhaz | you could get an account on the wiki and start a discussion there, I'm sure tim has mentioned there are people interested in that |
| 20:10:45 | | well, ide-cs is the kernel mod to use for microdrive ? |
| 20:10:45 | nelson | ibot: ide-cs? |
| 20:11:04 | | bugger all, i dunno, nelson |
| 20:11:04 | nelson | ibot: ide_cs? |
| 20:11:06 | Aelhaz | ide-cs is the pcmcia-cs driver for ide devices, such as flash cards |
| 20:11:13 | Aelhaz | it used to be ide_cs in 2.2 |
| 20:11:17 | Aelhaz | in 2.4 it's ide-cs |
| 20:11:22 | Aelhaz | breaks the scripts |
| 20:11:26 | Aelhaz | simple edit, tho |
| 20:13:10 | Aelhaz | it's possible to boot off of the on-board flash and use a cf card or microdrive as the root fs by hacking /linuxrc |
| 20:13:21 | Aelhaz | using pivotroot |
| 20:13:55 | Aelhaz | launch cardmgr to initialize the cards, then if it finds /sbin/init on a flash card, exit and pivot root |
| 20:15:42 | nelson | How does one "pivot root"? |
| 20:16:13 | BZFlag | http://www.pdadeals.net/crucialredirect.html < 15% discount and free shipping on memory. 32M for 33.99 |
| 20:17:37 | BZFlag | http://www.crucial.com/evguide/ <- redirected url |
| 20:18:08 | BZFlag | nelson: /sbin/pivot_root /mnt /mnt/initrd |
| 20:19:11 | | bugger all, i dunno, nelson |
| 20:19:11 | nelson | ibot: best filesystem for CF? |
| 20:19:20 | | ...but ibot is stupid... |
| 20:19:20 | nelson | ibot: you are less than completely useful. |
| 20:20:15 | tanstaafl | did you see that 64M card for $32 |
| 20:20:21 | tanstaafl | at newegg.com |
| 20:20:37 | tanstaafl | it's mentioned on this page: http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/view//PCMCIA |
| 20:22:45 | BZFlag | tanstaafl: that's a CF card. I'm talking a RAM upgrade. |
| 20:23:04 | tanstaafl | <-- clueless |
| 20:23:06 | tanstaafl | sorry about taht |
| 20:23:24 | nelson | So now do I create a filesystem on my flash? |
| 20:23:35 | tanstaafl | fdisk & mke2fs |
| 20:23:41 | tanstaafl | or reiser or whatever |
| 20:23:52 | BZFlag | nelson: small CF card, use blkmtd and then jffs2. large card reiserfs I suppose. I run reiserfs on my udrive |
| 20:23:54 | tanstaafl | it should show up as /dev/hda or /dev/hdb |
| 20:24:46 | nelson | Well, it's got an e2fs, so I think I'll run with that. |
| 20:24:46 | BZFlag | nelson: flash card? or flash memory? I mkfs on my laptop for flash cards. upload jffs2 image to make filesystem in flash memory |
| 20:25:10 | BZFlag | just watch the powercycles. ;-/ |
| 20:25:22 | nelson | It's a 64M flash card in my Mr. Flash CF<-->PCMCIA adapter. |
| 20:27:18 | BZFlag | too small for reiser IMHO, jffs2 on blkmtd would be nice if you can do the same on another machine to set it up. |
| 20:27:48 | BZFlag | I did not add any blkmtd patches to the kernel though, so there's more work. ;-) |
| 20:27:52 | nelson | Hehe. |
| 20:28:20 | BZFlag | the other option is to just back it up often so if the fs gets corrupted, you can recover. |
| 20:28:24 | Russ|werk | is that like Mr Coffee |
| 20:28:28 | Russ|werk | and Mr Radar? |
| 20:28:38 | tanstaafl | heh |
| 20:28:42 | BZFlag | if you are not going to use a jrnld fs, perhaps minix might be appropriate? |
| 20:28:48 | CosmicPenguin | nelson: Or keep it read only until you need to write something |
| 20:29:07 | BZFlag | nods at CosmicPenguin |
| 20:29:19 | CosmicPenguin | Anyone heard if ext3 works on the CF? |
| 20:35:48 | nelson | Well, perhaps it would be reasonable to standardize on a 16M or larger flash? |
| 20:36:00 | nelson | Surely 4MB isn't enough for anything other than a fixed-function embedded system. |
| 20:36:25 | CosmicPenguin | nelson: I'm on a mission to prove you wrong.... :) |
| 20:37:51 | nikos | Go CosmicPenguin! ;) |
| 20:39:01 | Aelhaz | tanstaafl: Heck, I have the 64 meg card for $32 |
| 20:40:29 | Aelhaz | Some have said to me that minix is a better fs for small devices, and that it doesn't suffer as much when you pull the plug on it |
| 20:40:45 | Aelhaz | as compared to ext2, I mean |
| 20:41:32 | tanstaafl | compression is probably the key feature on such small filesystems |
| 20:42:04 | nikos | I think there has already been discussion of jffs2 with mtdblock hasn't there? BZFlag? |
| 20:42:17 | nikos | Ooops |
| 20:42:23 | nikos | needs to read the backlog a little better. |
| 20:43:34 | Aelhaz | but how much ram will jffs2 use for metadata on a 64 meg device"? |
| 20:44:32 | nikos | dwmw2 is in #handhelds.org. :) |
| 20:44:49 | Aelhaz | who's that? |
| 20:45:06 | nikos | David Wodehouse, jffs2 author. |
| 20:45:58 | Aelhaz | Ah |
| 20:46:39 | Aelhaz | I hate just going up to developers and pestering them. |
| 20:46:47 | Aelhaz | I mean, except as i get paid to do at lineo |
| 20:49:18 | nikos | Aelhaz: As I see it, it's IRC, if he doesn't want to answer he can just ignore you, no big deal. |
| 20:49:35 | BZFlag | the mem size will vary based on fs usage. 64M flash should still be tolerable. It's the folks trying to use 1g udrives that will be unhappy. |
| 20:49:36 | Aelhaz | nikos: *shrug* |
| 20:49:45 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: *nod* |
| 20:50:01 | Aelhaz | familiar should fit on 64 megs of minixfs anyway, tho |
| 20:51:24 | Aelhaz | tanstaafl: Anyway, as embedded devices go, 64 megs of storage is real big |
| 20:51:45 | BZFlag | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000056SSM/takinc09/107-3720445-2457353 + coupon code AMZNAMEXBMVD = $69. shipped Linksys WPC11 802.11b net card. says is does 3.3v |
| 20:52:06 | Aelhaz | I have a wpc11 i need to try again tonight |
| 20:52:10 | BZFlag | oh, $69.95 sorry. ;-) |
| 20:52:13 | Aelhaz | Not a bad price |
| 20:52:17 | tanstaafl | aelhaz yeah but these things have 4 |
| 20:52:30 | Aelhaz | tanstaafl: Well yeah, on the internal 4 meg flash definately use jffs2 |
| 20:53:20 | Aelhaz | what about the other jounalled filesystems? jfs? xfs? |
| 20:56:34 | nikos | I think most are targetted towards larger filesystems and have sizeable on-disk journals. CF is kind of in the middle. |
| 20:56:45 | Aelhaz | yeah |
| 21:01:22 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: How do you figure $33.99 for the crucial sodimm? the part number on the wiki comes up as $35.99 |
| 21:01:27 | Aelhaz | free shipping, tho |
| 21:17:49 | BZFlag | you followed the 15% discount link? |
| 21:18:51 | Aelhaz | yeah |
| 21:19:08 | Aelhaz | the discount i end up with is somewhat less than 15%, but i asked it specifically for a particular part number |
| 21:20:00 | BZFlag | I followed the 15% link, and then clicked to the part. got 39.99 - 15% = 33.99 |
| 21:20:37 | Aelhaz | I did that and ended up with a 10% discount |
| 21:20:45 | BZFlag | the normal web discount is 39.99 - $4 = $35.99 now. |
| 21:20:55 | BZFlag | you're broken. ;-) I'll drop by. |
| 21:48:46 | CosmicPenguin | tanstaafl: welcome back... |
| 21:49:26 | CosmicPenguin | tanstaafl: Your network must be slow, I know mine is..... :) |
| 21:50:44 | tanstaafl | i had to reboot (oh the shame) |
| 21:50:54 | tanstaafl | scsi problem |
| 21:51:05 | tanstaafl | i can blame adaptec |
| 21:55:42 | Aelhaz | adaptec gets so much good press but i've had a lot less headaches with symbios controllers |
| 21:59:59 | tanstaafl | adaptec is just plain evil |
| 22:06:45 | Aelhaz | they just keep buying everyone else |
| 22:06:51 | Aelhaz | hear they bought DPT |
| 22:07:04 | Aelhaz | bought Future Domain a long time ago, and Trantor |
| 22:07:11 | Aelhaz | tho, trantor sucked |
| 22:07:27 | tanstaafl | cheap though |
| 22:07:37 | Aelhaz | feds blocked their purchase of symbios, so symbios is LSI now |
| 22:07:47 | Aelhaz | QLogic aint bad at all, they don't compete directly with adaptec anymore tho |
| 22:07:50 | tanstaafl | mylex is my current favorite |
| 22:07:56 | Aelhaz | mylex is nice |
| 22:08:56 | Aelhaz | I've got some qlogic pci cards that do a real good job of fast/narrow . . . . but they did a horrible job of it before i burned new bios onto the roms, so i understand why qlogic lost out so badly in the low end peripherals market |
| 22:09:43 | Russ|werk | I have a qlogic scsi2 diff card if anyone wants it |
| 22:10:43 | Aelhaz | if I had any differential devices . . . . |
| 22:10:57 | Aelhaz | I've got some low voltage differential, but i have a controller for those |
| 22:29:07 | CosmicPenguin | Good night all - All things being equal, I should have a JFFS2 image with a Microwindows window manager / terminal / game and (maybe) viewml.... |
| 22:29:10 | CosmicPenguin | WIsh me luck! |
| 22:29:28 | Aelhaz | woo |
| 22:29:30 | Aelhaz | good luck |
| 22:29:38 | CosmicPenguin | I will have it tomorrow (i home) |
| 22:29:44 | CosmicPenguin | s/home/hope |
| 23:17:36 | Aelhaz | goin home |
