| 00:01:42 | CosmicPenguin | boodle, whats the good word? |
| 02:28:19 | nelson | Woo hoo! My Socket LP-E Ethernet card works. We have ping! |
| 02:40:10 | AlHaz | woo |
| 02:40:17 | AlHaz | I ordered one of those Trendnet nics today |
| 02:40:34 | AlHaz | been trying to decide whether or not i wanted to for over a week, found one for $33 |
| 02:41:23 | AlHaz | oh, and the cheap ($35 delivered) 64 meg CF card i ordered, "Mr. Flash" brand, has hitachi chips in it, so that's good |
| 02:41:29 | AlHaz | but my kernel is so old there's no ide_cs |
| 02:41:32 | AlHaz | need to upgrade . . |
| 02:41:46 | AlHaz | hey, does the blob do 230kbps? |
| 02:42:01 | AlHaz | I guess nobody is present & awake who knows that |
| 02:50:14 | nelson | I've already got a 64M CF card, so I just got the PCMCIA -> CF adapter. Coming soon. |
| 02:51:17 | AlHaz | http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=manufactory&catalog=68&manufactory=1378 <-- now $32 after shipping, eesh |
| 03:49:50 | Alehaz | whee, upgrading stuff. |
| 03:50:08 | Alehaz | y'all don't understand - the blob, compared to a lot of commercial bootloaders, completely and totally kicks ass |
| 03:50:19 | Alehaz | it's a pleasure to use it |
| 03:52:36 | Alehaz | I was arguing with RPX(f)Utility for like two hours today |
| 04:00:09 | Alehaz | um, hmm. anybody awake? |
| 04:01:23 | Alehaz | hey tim |
| 04:05:33 | BZFlag | heya |
| 04:05:43 | BZFlag | how's hackin? |
| 04:05:53 | Alehaz | little mixed |
| 04:06:09 | Alehaz | got that 64 meg cf card in, not sure if it works in the tuxscreen or not, at this point |
| 04:06:53 | Alehaz | just installed zImage-2.4.6-rmk2-np1-tux3-pcmcia-ts and rootfs-20010809a.jffs2 |
| 04:06:54 | BZFlag | I've got a 64M cf that works. |
| 04:07:02 | BZFlag | nice. |
| 04:07:32 | Alehaz | i don't *seem to have an ide device, and i see a troubling message on bootup |
| 04:07:35 | Alehaz | cs: socket d801b800 timed out during reset. Try increasing setup_delay. |
| 04:07:47 | BZFlag | Russ: you around? |
| 04:07:56 | Alehaz | but there's no /dev/hd nodes in this root fs so it's hard to tell |
| 04:08:27 | Alehaz | The CF card is branded "Mr. Flash", but pcmcia_cs identifies the manufacturer as Hitachi |
| 04:08:31 | BZFlag | is wondering if we should do a "linux telephony" driver for the DSP and then write some generalized apps to talk to that. then it will be easier to port stuff to new hw |
| 04:08:45 | Alehaz | yeah, could be a good way to go |
| 04:09:24 | Alehaz | so this cf card - now a mere $32 after shipping - is this weird mix of the frighteningly generic and the reassuringly repuable |
| 04:09:24 | Alehaz | and I don't know if it works :/ |
| 04:09:31 | Alehaz | (works in my laptop, for sure) |
| 04:09:50 | BZFlag | then it should work in the phone too. |
| 04:09:56 | Alehaz | Yeah |
| 04:10:04 | Alehaz | doesn't *appear to |
| 04:10:07 | BZFlag | might take a look at /etc/pcmcia/*.opt on both |
| 04:10:29 | Alehaz | proc/devices just lists ramdisk and mtdblock for block devices |
| 04:10:31 | BZFlag | does cardctl ident show the same on both? |
| 04:10:42 | Alehaz | Socket 0: |
| 04:10:42 | Alehaz | product info: "HITACHI", "FLASH", "5.0" |
| 04:10:42 | Alehaz | manfid: 0x0007, 0x0000 |
| 04:10:43 | Alehaz | function: 4 (fixed disk) |
| 04:10:54 | Alehaz | Yeah |
| 04:13:15 | Alehaz | proc/bus/pccard/00/status says it's got irq 0 |
| 04:13:21 | Alehaz | doesn't look right |
| 04:15:49 | Alehaz | doesn't look like it's workin |
| 04:20:15 | Alehaz | huh, I shove it in the other slot and it works |
| 04:20:17 | BZFlag | you sure you loaded zImage-2.4.6-rmk2-np1-tux3-pcmcia-ts ? irq 0 is what the old kernel showed. |
| 04:20:26 | Alehaz | yep, I'm sure |
| 04:20:37 | Alehaz | (shove it in the other slot and reboot, I mean) |
| 04:21:12 | BZFlag | wow. I think I've run mine in both slots. I know I had my CF in the top and I now have my udrive in the bottom. |
| 04:21:44 | Alehaz | well, at least i *think it works . . . |
| 04:22:00 | Alehaz | still can't verify |
| 04:22:30 | Alehaz | making /dev/hda and /dev/hda1 nodes . . . |
| 04:23:02 | BZFlag | wonders why Alehaz doesn't have them they are on mine. |
| 04:23:25 | Alehaz | BZFlag: I'm wondering that too |
| 04:23:45 | Alehaz | maybe the rootfs i installed was intended for some special purpose |
| 04:24:46 | Alehaz | who uploaded the rootfs-20010809a.jffs2? |
| 04:26:07 | BZFlag | me. that's what I'm running. |
| 04:26:20 | Alehaz | then this is very weird |
| 04:34:24 | Russ | here |
| 04:35:11 | Russ | whats up with cosmicpenguin wanting to patch uClibc to support inb, outb, vs patching microwindows to not use it on arm or not compile the vga portion |
| 04:37:59 | BZFlag | no clue. (or perhaps it's CosmicPenguin that has no clue?) |
| 04:45:54 | Russ | can I jump on the ethernet bandwagon? |
| 04:46:05 | Russ | oh, nm carbus |
| 04:47:46 | Alehaz | the PC16 and PC16R aren't cardbus and are 3.3v |
| 04:48:42 | Alehaz | i should have a PC16R to test by the end of next week |
| 04:50:46 | BZFlag | Alehaz: at least that what appears to be true. one of them says it conforms to the CardBus standard. I don't recall which. I suspect the "16" indicated a non-cardbus version and that the docs are wrong. |
| 04:51:17 | BZFlag | as the other models are -PC"BUS"* that would appear to be a safe bet. |
| 04:51:59 | Alehaz | right |
| 04:52:08 | BZFlag | Russ: I'll wait till Alehaz get's his card. then ChrisWorley and I will probably place an order. andersee and others at Lineo might be interested. |
| 04:52:12 | Alehaz | well, I'm getting nowhere with this 64 meg hitachi cf card |
| 04:52:20 | BZFlag | fdisked? |
| 04:52:27 | Alehaz | BZFlag: hell, I can't even get a block device |
| 04:52:39 | BZFlag | got irq now? |
| 04:52:40 | Alehaz | cf spec says all cf cards are fdisked at the factory |
| 04:52:42 | Alehaz | no, no irq |
| 04:52:46 | Alehaz | i re-flashed kernel and ramdisk |
| 04:52:52 | BZFlag | hmm... |
| 04:53:16 | BZFlag | hooking up my hw still after sllug. hang on... |
| 04:59:01 | Alehaz | oh, hold on. this script is looking for ide_cs |
| 04:59:05 | Alehaz | instead of ide-cs |
| 04:59:33 | BZFlag | ahh! I forgot that! |
| 04:59:48 | Alehaz | <-- Should have remembered that snafu from his calypso days |
| 05:00:51 | BZFlag | edit /etc/pcmcia/config and change em all |
| 05:01:12 | Alehaz | i'm vi impared so i linked ide-cs.o to ide_cs.o |
| 05:01:26 | BZFlag | I tried that and it did NOT work for me. |
| 05:02:03 | Alehaz | <explitive deleted> |
| 05:02:15 | BZFlag | cd /etc/pcmcia ; cp config config.bak ; sed -e 's/ide_cs/ide-cs/' < config.bak > config |
| 05:02:48 | BZFlag | you are on a serial console, yes? ;-) |
| 05:02:56 | Alehaz | yeah |
| 05:03:08 | Alehaz | just pasted that command |
| 05:03:09 | Alehaz | thanks |
| 05:03:11 | Alehaz | trying again |
| 05:04:36 | Alehaz | ok, NOW it works |
| 05:04:55 | BZFlag | sweet! |
| 05:05:09 | Alehaz | Gonna go update the pcmcia wiki to reflect that |
| 05:07:29 | BZFlag | good thought. Someone should make a new jffs2 image. |
| 05:07:38 | BZFlag | I'm working on /linuxrc now. |
| 05:09:40 | Alehaz | *nod* |
| 05:10:14 | BZFlag | apt-get install ssh ;-) |
| 05:10:21 | Alehaz | heh |
| 05:11:29 | Alehaz | Well, now that that is working, I'm gonna go get some sleep. |
| 05:11:31 | Alehaz | Thanks much |
| 05:25:30 | Russ | yes? |
| 05:26:37 | BZFlag | cd /etc/pcmcia ; cp config config.bak ; sed -e 's/ide_cs/ide-cs/' < config.bak > config |
| 05:26:42 | BZFlag | in the rootfs |
| 05:26:48 | Russ | what about itL |
| 05:27:19 | BZFlag | the module on the fs is ide-cs but cardmgr is trying for ide_cs. I had to change mine. |
| 05:27:31 | BZFlag | just in case you are thinking of a new jffs2 release. |
| 05:27:59 | BZFlag | I'm hacking /linuxrc to auto-detect and pivot_root onto a CF if present. |
| 05:28:21 | BZFlag | will look for a /sbin/init on hda1 |
| 05:30:35 | AlHaz | that'd make life easier for me, since my objective is to eventually run familiar on the cf card |
| 05:31:03 | AlHaz | but i really am going to bed now . . . |
| 12:38:03 | bworth | hello all |
| 12:43:10 | mallum | hi bworth |
| 15:03:58 | mallum | is away: going home - laters all ... |
| 15:38:22 | sammy | hi all |
| 15:41:52 | nikos | Hiya |
| 15:42:15 | Aelhaz | hey |
| 15:51:44 | sammy | how many time can I got the tuxscreen ,if I order one ? |
| 15:53:57 | Aelhaz | what? |
| 15:55:04 | sammy | I mean , if I order one tuxscreen ,how long can I get it ? |
| 15:55:25 | nelson | where are you? |
| 15:55:36 | sammy | Taiwan... |
| 15:55:44 | Aelhaz | you mean how long will it take to reach you? |
| 15:55:54 | sammy | yah. |
| 15:56:37 | Aelhaz | I'm not sure, I suppose it depends on the shipping method. I have sent things to lineo's taiwan office that arrived there fairly quickly, but i believe the shipping charge was quite expensive. |
| 15:57:42 | Aelhaz | what is the best way to ship things to taiwan from the united states? |
| 15:58:07 | sammy | this is important ... |
| 15:58:47 | Aelhaz | bzflag (tim riker) is the one who would be shipping it, and you could talk to him about it in a few hours when he shows up online |
| 15:59:19 | sammy | so that I become need to sent $99 + $? |
| 15:59:25 | sammy | right ... |
| 15:59:54 | Aelhaz | right |
| 16:01:39 | sammy | another confuse question , can I only use it with tel line to dill a tel number to someone ?with OS |
| 16:01:51 | sammy | er without OS ? |
| 16:02:11 | sammy | and it must in taiwan ... |
| 16:04:07 | Aelhaz | Without the Inferno operating system on the phone, the phone will work, and ring, but will only pulse dial, no tones |
| 16:04:33 | Aelhaz | if phones manufactured for the united states typically work in taiwan, the tuxscreen will probably work in taiwan. |
| 16:08:17 | sammy | ok...thanx Aeihaz...and about order,I 'll talk to tim... |
| 16:09:16 | Aelhaz | ok |
| 16:09:21 | Aelhaz | sorry i didn't know more about it |
| 16:16:52 | sammy | doesn't matter... |
| 16:35:12 | kR | sammy_Zz: I'll see you in Taiwan! |
| 16:36:09 | sammy_Zz | ? |
| 16:36:14 | sammy_Zz | what U mean ? |
| 16:37:23 | sammy_Zz | U mean U'll come to taiwan ? |
| 16:37:31 | sammy_Zz | kR? |
| 16:45:02 | sammy_Zz | is Z......... |
| 17:04:40 | bworth | hey CosmicPenguin - how goes it? |
| 17:06:02 | CosmicPenguin | It goes well. I just introduced another happy customer to the wide world of Linux on the TuxScreen.... |
| 17:06:59 | bworth | CosmicPenguin: cool - do you have any pictures yet? i'm excited to see what microwindows will look like on the tuxscreen |
| 17:07:29 | CosmicPenguin | bworth: No pictures right now, but that is my first priority this weekend. |
| 17:08:02 | CosmicPenguin | Actually, strike that - Its my second priority - First priority is adjusting the backlight/contrast.... |
| 17:08:22 | bworth | you have the touchscreen working, right? |
| 17:16:45 | CosmicPenguin | bworth: Yep, execpt for every 30th click or so, it seems to be pretty precise |
| 17:18:21 | CosmicPenguin | Nikos says thats a pressure issue, though, so it should get resolved soon |
| 17:18:38 | nikos | I'm just guessing, since something similar happened with the ipaq. |
| 17:19:24 | nikos | I think Tim or someone yesterday said that the tux was already using the ipaq fix. So maybe that's not it. |
| 17:21:26 | CosmicPenguin | The whole touchscreen thing as a whole is pretty brain dead. |
| 17:22:19 | CosmicPenguin | My company actually has a copyright line on the file - I think we added some code to dampen the jitter, but that was more of a hack than anything |
| 17:23:29 | BZFlag | from what I've seen, the ipaq jitter code works better that the mw code. perhaps the mw should die now? |
| 17:24:13 | BZFlag | and the ipaq code should be generalized a bit so it can be applied to other hw. (like the shannon! ;-) |
| 17:24:49 | BZFlag | IIRC it's just threshhold acceleration limiting. |
| 17:25:03 | nikos | Yeah, that sounds right. |
| 17:25:23 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag - I have no problems killing off that code. |
| 17:26:04 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag - Have you verified the GPIO assignments as listed in the Wiki? |
| 17:26:18 | BZFlag | is that the only area where in/out code exists in mw? |
| 17:26:33 | bworth | i was just going to say, could it be that ipaq code only has to deal with 320x240 resolution so maybe jitter on the tuxScreens 640x480 is falling outside the range of what the ipaq code is designed to deal with |
| 17:26:45 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: not completely, but inferno source has them that way. |
| 17:27:05 | CosmicPenguin | BzFlag: I don't understand the question |
| 17:27:17 | BZFlag | hmm... perhaps. I have not looked closely at the code. |
| 17:28:16 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: you were talking about adding port in/out code into uClibc yesterday, I wondered if that was the code. |
| 17:30:36 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: Oh, ok. No, actually, the inb/outb code lives in a planar framebuffer driver. I don't think i need that driver, so no changes needed for uClibc... |
| 17:31:39 | CosmicPenguin | bworth: I don't know if the Ipaq jitter code ever made it. The code we added originally came from ADS, and it works pretty well on their devices |
| 17:34:41 | bworth | CosmicPenguin: so, are you running microwindows on top of or in place of what tim and everybody else is running on the tuxscreens? |
| 17:35:29 | BZFlag | heh, Tim is running debian potato. ;-) |
| 17:36:42 | bworth | bzflag: nfs root? |
| 17:39:26 | CosmicPenguin | bworth: I'm using the original JFFS2 image that Tim distributed, but I just added the Nano-X server and an app or two via 'rz' |
| 17:40:05 | CosmicPenguin | I can't get 2.4.7-ac1 to build a JFFS2 module without errors, so I haven't been able to mount the Tim's image and play with it very extensively |
| 17:40:32 | CosmicPenguin | s/the Tim's/Tim's/ |
| 17:40:55 | bworth | oh, ok |
| 17:41:23 | bworth | biab |
| 18:09:16 | BZFlag | bworth: udrive |
| 18:09:58 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: the jffs2 came from Russ, the tarball is up on his page too. |
| 18:10:55 | BZFlag | http://russ.dhs.org/files/tuxpatches/ image.jffs2 and image.tar.bz2 |
| 18:11:13 | tanstaafl | do you think that trendnet 16R will fit in the pcmcia slots? |
| 18:11:38 | tanstaafl | it has the dongle-free connector, which is kind of bulky |
| 18:12:39 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: Cool, I was trying to jump through too many hoops, I guess... |
| 18:13:47 | BZFlag | I hope so. A Lucent Wavelan fits. the wl has like 3/8 overhang on my laptop and like 1/4 inch on the Shannon. |
| 18:15:07 | BZFlag | ]___XXXXXX <- laptop ]__XXXXXX <- Shannon |
| 18:15:09 | tanstaafl | here's a picture. it doesn't look promising to me: http://www.trendware.com/image/products/photo/te100-pc16r.jpg |
| 18:15:46 | Aelhaz | tanstaafl: I |
| 18:15:53 | Aelhaz | tanstaafl: I've ordered one, we'll know soon enough |
| 18:16:06 | Aelhaz | tanstaafl: It looks like, if you put it in the bottom slot, it'll fit |
| 18:16:13 | Aelhaz | definately not in the top slot |
| 18:16:25 | tanstaafl | cool. i'm debating just buying the regular 16, but I sure hate dongles |
| 18:16:25 | BZFlag | if it's real close to the slot, then it might require case dremeling |
| 18:16:41 | Aelhaz | Yeah |
| 18:16:55 | Aelhaz | if we're lucky, it will fit just right, and look like it belongs there |
| 18:17:00 | Aelhaz | <-- optimist |
| 18:17:08 | tanstaafl | heh |
| 18:18:33 | Aelhaz | the dongle-less CF nics have a big thing on the end, but i don't doubt that they'll fit. |
| 18:19:15 | CosmicPenguin | Its not like you need the space out there for anything else - The other slot will (probably) hold a CF or Microdrive, so its all good..... |
| 18:19:36 | Aelhaz | CosmicPenguin: Right |
| 18:19:53 | Aelhaz | it's just that with the slots set back into the case somewhat, it may not fit without modification |
| 18:20:07 | CosmicPenguin | Unless of course, you are going to turn this thing into a low cost ethernet switch...... :) |
| 18:21:07 | Aelhaz | heh |
| 18:25:30 | tanstaafl | ok what is a good version of X to use? |
| 18:25:39 | Aelhaz | CosmicPenguin: What's troublesome is how the perspective on that connector makes it look like the protrusion from the card is wider than the card |
| 18:25:58 | Aelhaz | CosmicPenguin: I think this may be merely due to the photography, tho |
| 18:26:05 | tanstaafl | hopefully! |
| 18:27:26 | Aelhaz | at any rate, I'll take pictures when i get it |
| 18:28:42 | tanstaafl | will the standard ipaq frame buffer X work? |
| 18:34:56 | CosmicPenguin | Aelhaz: Looking forward to it |
| 18:38:42 | tanstaafl | ok, what is a .ipk file |
| 18:39:24 | CosmicPenguin | tanstaafl: Use JFFS2 image (or at least take it apart). |
| 18:39:48 | CosmicPenguin | tanstaafl: You are going to have to do a lot of cut and paste to get just those parts you need for Tiny-X |
| 18:40:50 | Aelhaz | .ipk is the package format that Familiar uses |
| 18:40:51 | tanstaafl | well they have an xserver.ipk file. is that like tar or rpm or Yet Another Archive Format |
| 18:41:50 | | rumour has it ipkg is the Itsy Package Management System used by Familiar: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/iPKG |
| 18:41:50 | nikos | ibot: ipkg |
| 18:42:15 | nikos | tanstaafl: tarballed pair of tarballs similiar to deb. |
| 18:42:53 | tanstaafl | ok thanks |
| 18:43:11 | BZFlag | http://www.linksys.com/support/display.asp?biggie=bigg_pcmlm56.jpg&prid=98&grid=11 <- fits in the bottom slot, and I think it goes in far enough into the top slot too. |
| 18:43:20 | tanstaafl | i'm sure that is Real Close to being an RTFM type of question |
| 18:44:41 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: you tried one? |
| 18:45:09 | BZFlag | tanstaafl: I was running the ipaq Xfbdev for the screenshot. Just mknod /dev/ts c 11 0 and poof. |
| 18:45:18 | BZFlag | Aelhaz: yeah, just fond one. |
| 18:45:22 | BZFlag | er found. |
| 18:45:27 | Aelhaz | cool |
| 18:45:29 | Aelhaz | does it work? |
| 18:45:33 | Aelhaz | in the phone i mean |
| 18:45:49 | tanstaafl | is the touch screen protocol compatible? |
| 18:45:54 | tanstaafl | or is it just for looks |
| 18:46:31 | BZFlag | deffinitly fits in the bottom slot. no contact anywhere. In the top it touches the case, but I think it still is in far enough. |
| 18:46:55 | BZFlag | tanstaafl: ts is compatible. backlight etc is different. |
| 18:47:12 | tanstaafl | but the x server doesn't control those, does it? |
| 18:47:15 | BZFlag | tanstaafl: keyboard works that way as well. |
| 18:47:58 | BZFlag | tanstaafl: right. iPAQ things like xcalibrate will not work, but normal apps are fine |
| 18:48:15 | tanstaafl | cool. touch screen is all I really care about. thanks |
| 18:48:46 | BZFlag | tanstaafl: it's nice to have a keyboard around though. ;-) |
| 18:51:40 | CosmicPenguin | tanstaafl: The tuxcal Nano-X calibrator that I made only uses a few simple Nano-X commands. There should be a 1-1 mapping with the associated X commands |
| 18:52:07 | CosmicPenguin | In fact, somebody who is X savy can probably stick a few ifdefs in and have the same code build for both protocols |
| 18:54:02 | Aelhaz | hmm, linksys makes pcmcia hpna carsds, too |
| 19:05:14 | CosmicPenguin | Has anyone else taken a look at the GPIO assignments from the inferno workgroup ? |
| 19:58:41 | mallum | is away: watching eastenders |
| 21:33:09 | mallum | jacques: you about ? |
| 21:33:18 | jacques | yep |
| 22:05:22 | tanstaafl | ok what is the secret order to apply the patches for the kernel? |
| 22:05:48 | tanstaafl | i tried patch-2.4.7-rmk2, then diff-2.4.7-rmk2-np1.gz, then patch-2.4.7-rmk2-np1-tux1.gz |
| 22:05:55 | tanstaafl | but apparently that is not correct |
| 22:06:11 | tanstaafl | since the second and third patch files had quite a few conflicts |
| 22:07:25 | jacques | hmm, that's the order I have always heard |
| 22:07:41 | jacques | well, except for the tux patch which i didnt know existed :-) |
| 22:08:32 | tanstaafl | do they just use the standard patch -p0, or is there a different incantation to use |
| 22:09:37 | jacques | didn't you say you were getting conflicts? -p0/-p1 would not cause that |
| 22:11:25 | tanstaafl | well I blew it away and tried again and it worked. I must have screwed something up the first time |
| 22:11:27 | tanstaafl | thanks |
| 22:13:24 | jacques | np :-) |
| 22:18:23 | BZFlag | tanstaafl: yeah, I've done em in that order and they worked for me. |
| 22:53:01 | mallum | Anyone about ? |
| 22:53:23 | mallum | I managed to get *some* of X to cross compile against uClibc |
| 23:54:47 | mallum | BZFlag: had some success compiling tiny-x against uClibc |
| 23:55:03 | BZFlag | had to run for longer than he thought. back now. |
| 23:55:06 | jacques | mallum: how did the xlib compile go? |
| 23:55:21 | BZFlag | what are the remaining obstacles? |
| 23:57:19 | mallum | jacques: still going - I may have to leave it - I gotta go to bed soon |
| 23:57:36 | jacques | mallum: you need a faster machine |
| 23:58:13 | mallum | BZFlag: It had an issue with phreads, but I think that now could be resolved |
| 23:58:34 | mallum | BZFlag: A 'fair' percentage of librarys seem to have been built |
| 23:58:44 | mallum | BZFlag: though I havn't tested them as yet |
| 23:59:26 | BZFlag | sweet |
| 23:59:29 | jacques | mallum: my tbird 950 xcompiles X in about 8 minutes :-) |
| 23:59:43 | jacques | and it's not even fast by today's standards |
