| 00:58:57 | Alehaz | man, Mandrake is . . . marshmallowey |
| 05:56:59 | Russ | poor nelson |
| 06:03:55 | BZFlag | heh |
| 06:04:34 | Russ | schematics now? |
| 06:04:38 | Russ | j/k |
| 06:05:47 | BZFlag | ya know I was swamped today and didn't realise till after I left the office that I hadn't asked the guy for them. argh... |
| 06:12:21 | Russ | hey, cool, new glimmer and gnumeric debs |
| 06:13:39 | Russ | russ.dhs.org should point to my new location in about 2-3 hours |
| 06:16:22 | Russ | 23:49:46 (522.12 KB/s) - `linux-2.4.8.tar.bz2' saved [22192379/22192379] |
| 06:17:57 | BZFlag | does that mean you have a 5 Mb line? |
| 06:18:08 | Russ | it 10Mbit ethernet |
| 06:18:15 | Russ | but there is a bottleneck somewhere |
| 06:18:36 | BZFlag | sweet! /me is envious |
| 06:19:20 | BZFlag | local ether-to-the-house Co airswitch is closing up the ISP business. =( |
| 06:19:28 | Russ | RX packets:185725 errors:1003 <- dirty line |
| 06:21:13 | Russ | the big thing is the internet2 link |
| 06:21:39 | Russ | 64 bytes from www.tudelft.nl (130.161.180.125): icmp_seq=8 ttl=114 time=135.044 msec |
| 06:21:50 | Russ | very low latency to europe |
| 06:21:55 | Russ | I can play quake there |
| 06:22:37 | Russ | be interesting to calculate the amount of time it would take for light to travel that distance |
| 09:23:03 | Sammy | Russ : are U here ? |
| 13:02:18 | mallum | hi nelson |
| 13:02:25 | mallum | did you get Linux installed ? |
| 13:02:52 | nelson | mallum: Had to go buy a new soldering iron. /me lost my good one. |
| 13:03:06 | nelson | Just getting into work. |
| 13:10:52 | mallum | why did you need a soldering iron - are you soldering the +12v in ? |
| 14:52:24 | nelson | mallum: yes, of course I'm soldering the +12V in. My tux has no pins there -- only solder pads. |
| 14:58:15 | mallum | nelson: I just touched the pads with wires ... |
| 14:58:32 | mallum | Russ|werk: is that you .... |
| 14:58:34 | nikos | Is it just a momentary thing? |
| 14:58:49 | CosmicPenguin | nelson: Test leads worked great for me. |
| 14:59:28 | mallum | momentary ? |
| 14:59:41 | nikos | How long do you have to apply the voltage? |
| 14:59:50 | mallum | only a couple of seconds |
| 15:00:10 | nikos | Ah, OK. No biggy then. |
| 15:00:20 | mallum | you probably need an extra set of hands though |
| 15:03:14 | Aelhaz | don't touch the wrong pads, tho |
| 15:03:35 | Aelhaz | we've got a toasted tuxscreen here that inspired the jig we use to apply 12v now |
| 15:03:57 | nikos | ouch |
| 15:05:18 | mallum | I covered all the other pads with some tape |
| 15:05:24 | Aelhaz | that oughta do it |
| 15:05:39 | mallum | applied the -ive cable, and taped that |
| 15:05:49 | mallum | then applied the +ive as needed |
| 15:06:28 | Aelhaz | *nod* |
| 15:23:09 | nelson | is gonna solder them. |
| 15:33:50 | bworth | hey all |
| 15:35:19 | Aelhaz | hi |
| 15:36:50 | nikos | Hi bworth |
| 15:40:41 | mallum | hi bworth |
| 16:01:27 | nikos | is away: Service call |
| 16:53:21 | CosmicPenguin | Anyone willing to report success with the touch panel? |
| 16:54:49 | Aelhaz | i thought bzflag had mentioned having to merely change the major & minor . . . |
| 16:55:45 | nikos | is back |
| 16:57:21 | CosmicPenguin | Looks like going from 10, 14 to 11, 0.... |
| 16:59:37 | BZFlag | yes, 11,0 IIRC |
| 17:00:07 | BZFlag | correct. I used 11,0 and the ipaq tiny-X |
| 17:00:39 | BZFlag | you may need to patch the driver to swap directions on X and Y. |
| 17:17:26 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, I'm uploading a touchscreen tester right now.... |
| 17:26:25 | CosmicPenguin | Doh! |
| 17:26:47 | CosmicPenguin | I get data from the file, but it doesn't translate right on the graphics engine.... |
| 17:35:03 | CosmicPenguin | No joy - Microwindows isn't reading the data.... |
| 17:35:07 | dec | hey, |
| 17:35:14 | dec | any new stufff? |
| 17:40:22 | CosmicPenguin | Not as far as I know |
| 17:59:56 | dec | bzflug, how did the lug go? |
| 18:00:45 | BZFlag | it's tonight |
| 18:01:45 | Aelhaz | I've never attended a LUG, myself. I attended some sort of drooling-morons user's group in like '91, wasn't linux related, and that put me off user groups . . . . what's SLLUG like? |
| 18:01:45 | CosmicPenguin | whats the agenda? |
| 18:04:49 | nelson | is unprotecting flash and flashing blobl. Think good thoughts. |
| 18:08:52 | BZFlag | see http://SLLUG.org/ |
| 18:09:12 | BZFlag | it's cool. all Linux heads (well, some bsd types) |
| 18:09:24 | BZFlag | topics are usually vague, but it's good geek time. |
| 18:28:15 | nelson | Uh-oh. |
| 18:31:54 | nikos | don't say that |
| 18:33:35 | CosmicPenguin | ARGH - Why on gods green would cat /dev/touchscreen/u1x00 show data, but read() always returns zero????? |
| 18:35:01 | nelson | It's not as bad as all that. I have a serial port LED monitor, and when I reset the tux, I see TxD flashing. |
| 18:35:07 | nelson | So it's just my serial port emulation. |
| 18:37:57 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: caus...I dunno, look at the iPAQ stuff |
| 18:38:00 | nelson | kewl. Yup. |
| 18:38:10 | nelson | Consider yourself LARTed! |
| 18:38:27 | nikos | Rock |
| 18:39:36 | CosmicPenguin | I know that I'm to blame, I just can't figure out why..... |
| 18:41:51 | CosmicPenguin | Maybe a 4 byte read at one time is too much.... |
| 18:43:03 | nelson | Yeeks! Where do I get the jffs2 images from?? There's no link in the instructions. |
| 18:44:31 | nelson | Oh, great, I just flashed 0.1. But I see that there's a 0.3 now. Did I just screw up? |
| 18:44:40 | Aelhaz | http://tuxscreen.net/download/v0.3/ |
| 18:44:47 | Aelhaz | no, the wiki needs to be updated |
| 18:45:13 | Aelhaz | the installinglinux page links to v0.1 |
| 18:45:18 | nelson | Which rootfs do I install? 0808 or 0809?? |
| 18:45:26 | Aelhaz | *shrug* :) |
| 18:45:29 | Aelhaz | either one probably works |
| 18:51:39 | CosmicPenguin | This read problem is driving me crazy! |
| 18:57:41 | nelson | BZFlag: which rootfs do I install? 0808 or 0809? I installed 0809. Hope that was right. |
| 19:00:19 | nelson | Okay, after I've installed blob, should I re-protect sector 0? |
| 19:03:21 | Russ|werk | nelson: naw |
| 19:03:37 | nelson | Yeah, if only because I don't see any way to do it from blob! |
| 19:04:25 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: Have you actually read data from the touchscreen in your program? |
| 19:04:28 | Russ|werk | its not really neccesary |
| 19:04:39 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: yah |
| 19:05:19 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: No problems, then? It just worked? |
| 19:06:16 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: upside down |
| 19:06:46 | CosmicPenguin | What version of the kernel? |
| 19:08:35 | Russ|werk | I think since 2.4.6-rmk2-np1-tux2 |
| 19:08:45 | Russ|werk | what version do you have? |
| 19:08:53 | nelson | doesn't have a /dev/touchscreen |
| 19:09:25 | CosmicPenguin | 2.4.6-rmk2-np1-tux3 |
| 19:09:49 | nelson | No, actually, I have the inode, but not the device. Do I need a module? |
| 19:09:56 | Russ|werk | yah, that should work, I BZFlag backported the 2.4.7-rmk2-np1-tux1 pcmcia fixes to his version |
| 19:10:20 | Russ|werk | nelson: the dev entry is wrong |
| 19:10:21 | Russ|werk | it should be c 11 0 |
| 19:10:23 | CosmicPenguin | Then why the #$*(#$ does 'cat' work on /dev/ts, and read() doesn't? |
| 19:11:36 | Russ|werk | dunno, you could look at the device driver |
| 19:12:08 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Yep, prink is your friend, I guess |
| 19:12:59 | Russ|werk | I meant the source |
| 19:13:15 | nelson | # mknod /dev/touchscreen/ucb1x00 c 11 0 |
| 19:13:16 | nelson | # cat /dev/touchscreen/ucb1x00 |
| 19:13:16 | nelson | cat: /dev/touchscreen/ucb1x00: No such device |
| 19:13:39 | Russ|werk | maybe it wasn't c 11 0 |
| 19:13:56 | Russ|werk | er, it is... |
| 19:14:29 | CosmicPenguin | nelson: That works for me |
| 19:15:31 | nelson | Who's building the rootfs initrd images? |
| 19:18:51 | Russ|werk | me |
| 19:19:12 | Russ|werk | working on making a build system so anyone can build their own |
| 19:19:37 | Aelhaz | Russ: I'd like that . . . . short of that, may i request bb-telnet? :) |
| 19:19:48 | Aelhaz | found it odd that he didn't have a telnet client on there . . . |
| 19:22:12 | Russ|werk | spose |
| 19:22:16 | Russ|werk | maybe bitchx too? |
| 19:22:20 | Aelhaz | Sure |
| 19:22:47 | Aelhaz | I could build stuff from scratch myself, it's just that I'm lazy . . . . |
| 19:22:56 | Aelhaz | :) |
| 19:23:08 | Aelhaz | I'll get around to setting up my own crossdev environment sooner or later |
| 19:23:15 | Russ|werk | the build system will require an arm toolchain |
| 19:23:23 | Russ|werk | Aelhaz: just download one |
| 19:23:27 | Aelhaz | yeah, I was planning on grabbing the handhelds.org chain |
| 19:23:32 | nelson | Russ|werk: can I email you some things to change? |
| 19:23:38 | nelson | (I'll need yer email, then) |
| 19:24:38 | CosmicPenguin | Is everyone compiling native then? |
| 19:25:17 | Russ|werk | nelson: set your self up on the tuxscreen-devel list (sf.net) |
| 19:25:28 | Russ|werk | nelson: and email it there |
| 19:25:36 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: cross compiling |
| 19:26:03 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: What version of skiff? |
| 19:26:07 | BZFlag | I copied my kernel out to http://TuxScreen.net/download/v0.3/ the -pcmcia-ts one. |
| 19:26:23 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: cross compiling.... |
| 19:26:39 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: I use erikm's 2.95.2 toolchain |
| 19:27:14 | CosmicPenguin | OK |
| 19:27:53 | BZFlag | Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/2.95.2/specs |
| 19:27:53 | BZFlag | gcc version 2.95.2 20000313 (Debian GNU/Linux) |
| 19:29:29 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: Whats on -pcmcia-ts... just PCMCIA fixes? |
| 19:29:43 | nelson | Russ: Ahhhhhh, I see. I'm not running the latest -n- greatest kernel. That's why I have no TS driver. |
| 19:29:55 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: I think its compiled with the ts and pcmcia stuff |
| 19:30:20 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Whats the changelog from 2.4.6-rmk2-nks1-tux3? |
| 19:30:40 | BZFlag | yeah, I've been meaning to rebuild a kernel with all the compiled in stuff using Russ' 2.4.7 patch, but have not gotten to it. |
| 19:31:13 | BZFlag | Russ: did you hack in the ts flipping in 2.4.7-... ? |
| 19:32:19 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: Russ' 2.4.7 has everything that that kernel I uploaded has and is the recommended source. I just have not gotten around to building and uploading one. |
| 19:32:36 | CosmicPenguin | I see.... |
| 19:32:38 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: it might not have the ts flipping done though, |
| 19:33:11 | Russ|werk | I need to update the changelog, and ask the ts maintainer about flipping |
| 19:33:14 | CosmicPenguin | I would just be happy if read() on the touchscreen device returned something other than zero |
| 19:33:21 | Russ|werk | but I'll put the hack in the next release |
| 19:37:28 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Which rmk patch do we need from the arm site? |
| 19:39:45 | CosmicPenguin | Ignore that, I need to be more attentive |
| 19:39:53 | Russ|werk | whichever one is in the tux patch name |
| 19:41:00 | Russ|werk | russ.dhs.org/files/tuxpatches should be up |
| 19:41:04 | Russ|werk | http:// |
| 19:46:20 | CosmicPenguin | Russ / BzFlag: Any plans for a CVS of our own? |
| 19:48:18 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: SF for TuxScreen has CVS setup. We could add the patches perhaps. |
| 19:49:04 | BZFlag | I'm going to nuke the blob that's up there soon. I just want to save the splash screen code someplace in case folks want to use it. |
| 19:49:32 | BZFlag | perhaps a branch in the main blob CVS tree, or an optional compile time feature. |
| 19:49:51 | Russ|werk | be nice later for demos |
| 19:50:26 | BZFlag | perhaps, but the kernel can do it now as well. just change the boot logo and set log level so no other messages show up. |
| 19:51:27 | BZFlag | so I'm not a fan of splash code in the bootloader. I would be a fan of it if the loader was interactive there. |
| 19:57:07 | Russ|werk | I was thinking patch the kernel with lpp |
| 19:57:15 | Russ|werk | and use the same logo in the bootloader |
| 19:57:54 | Russ|werk | the time it takes the kernel to show the logo can be reduced by dropping autoboot, and loading the kernel in vmlinux format out of jffs2 |
| 19:58:53 | Russ|werk | my deflate isn't quite as fast as whats in the kernel, but its still faster than loading it to flash, then having the kernel deflate it any copy it somewhere else to ram |
| 20:35:04 | CosmicPenguin | RUss: On a build I have multiple defintions of the zlib symbols from both fs and ppp (using the config from the download directory). Were you aware of this? |
| 20:37:02 | kR | Hey, anyone need a Cisco 2620 with T1 CSU/DSU card for $510 |
| 20:37:16 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: nope |
| 20:37:35 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: kver? |
| 20:41:30 | CosmicPenguin | 2.4.7-rmk2-np1-tux1 |
| 20:42:07 | Russ|werk | I don't think I've built that with ppp |
| 20:42:45 | Russ|werk | its something linus, rmk, or nico did |
| 20:43:00 | Russ|werk | but I haven't seen anything on the mailing lists about it |
| 20:45:50 | CosmicPenguin | Probably a missing ifdef somewhere. I'll track it down |
| 20:47:18 | CosmicPenguin | Yep, both PPP and JFFS2 include zlibc.c |
| 20:48:36 | Russ|werk | curious, what are you using ppp for? |
| 20:50:28 | CosmicPenguin | Ask Tim, it was his config |
| 20:50:43 | CosmicPenguin | Or at least, the config in the download directory.... |
| 20:53:27 | CosmicPenguin | Still have the read() problem in 2.4.7.... |
| 21:59:04 | CosmicPenguin | Mallum - whats the news? Are you surfing the web yet? |
| 21:59:59 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: ?? |
| 22:00:52 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: On the tux screen, I mean.... |
| 22:01:10 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: I was just joking around... :) |
| 22:01:12 | mallum | youhaveviewmlrunning? |
| 22:01:28 | mallum | spacebargone????? |
| 22:01:43 | CosmicPenguin | No, I am still trying to get the touchscreen working... I think I've tracked down the problem |
| 22:02:06 | mallum | the space bar stopped working then ... wierd |
| 22:03:01 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: has russ appeared ? |
| 22:03:16 | CosmicPenguin | He was here earlier, but I haven't heard from him for a while |
| 22:03:44 | CosmicPenguin | Cool... TS works, but its flipped.... |
| 22:04:29 | mallum | pipe it through sort ? |
| 22:05:05 | mallum | :) |
| 22:05:38 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: did russ give any clues to uClibc setup ? |
| 22:06:20 | CosmicPenguin | I ws talking about it with him yesterday. Its pretty easy, just set USE_RPC to true, and change GNU_ERRNO to 1 in libc/stdio/printf.c |
| 22:07:02 | mallum | yeah, am unsure on the asm and proc stuff |
| 22:08:47 | mallum | what to link them to |
| 22:12:17 | CosmicPenguin | Make sure you run the config and dep in the kernel, and they should be linked for you |
| 22:13:31 | CosmicPenguin | but on my system, the asm is linked to arm (of course), asm/arch is linked to arch-sa1100 and asm/proc is linked to proc-armv |
| 22:14:50 | mallum | yeah thats what I did |
| 22:15:28 | mallum | wait I'll have to double check that ... |
| 22:17:20 | Russ|werk | mallum? |
| 22:17:28 | mallum | russ :) |
| 22:17:32 | Russ|werk | why would you linux asm and proc to anything? |
| 22:18:16 | mallum | Russ|werk: I got the lart x-compiler installed. downloaded the uClibc cvs tarball, configured and the made ... |
| 22:18:42 | mallum | Russ|werk: was getting some wierd include errors where it was looking to include stuff from asm and proc directorys |
| 22:19:06 | CosmicPenguin | Basically, it expects a completely configured kernel in order to build correctly |
| 22:19:32 | mallum | Russ|werk: they didn't exist in the source, but ones like asm-sa1100 and proc-arma did - so I made some soft links to them and it compiled |
| 22:20:12 | mallum | If Im building for a cross compiler do I need the patched source for a tuxscreen kernel ? |
| 22:20:35 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: That would probably bring the best results |
| 22:20:59 | Russ|werk | mallum: you need a kernel dir comfigured for arm |
| 22:21:21 | Russ|werk | configuring a stock 2.4.x kernel for a lart should be enough |
| 22:21:35 | Russ|werk | there is a part in the config that lets you specify a kernel dir |
| 22:21:44 | mallum | Russ|werk: and I should be able to get one of them from the lart site ? |
| 22:21:58 | mallum | Russ|werk: yes i saw that in the Config file |
| 22:22:01 | Russ|werk | just use a stock kernel |
| 22:22:09 | Russ|werk | and configure it for lart |
| 22:22:30 | mallum | no arm patches ? |
| 22:22:38 | mallum | the rmk ones |
| 22:22:53 | Russ|werk | I don't know if you'll need any just to build uclibc |
| 22:23:41 | mallum | I have the src for a 2.4.8-ac2 kernel on my machine - do you think that would do ? |
| 22:24:21 | mallum | and just get the lart config and do a make oldconfig on it ? |
| 22:26:23 | mallum | and then a make dep ? - I dont actually need to build the kernel right ? |
| 22:30:03 | Russ|werk | just change the Makefile to arm |
| 22:30:24 | Russ|werk | then go into the setup, and into machine setup, and select lart |
| 22:33:22 | mallum | in the kernel source ? |
| 22:33:49 | Russ|werk | you have to change the toplevel makefile from i386 to arm |
| 22:33:59 | Russ|werk | then run xconfig and go into machine setup |
| 22:34:06 | mallum | ok I got you |
| 22:34:23 | mallum | then actually build it ? |
| 22:34:31 | Russ|werk | don't |
| 22:34:38 | mallum | or just make dep ? |
| 22:34:45 | Russ|werk | you just want the proper symlinks within the kernel source created |
| 22:34:52 | Russ|werk | running make xconfig should be enough |
| 22:35:03 | mallum | cool , many thanks |
| 22:35:12 | mallum | I'll try tommorow - bedtime now |
| 22:35:45 | mallum | thanks again russ + good night |
| 22:43:31 | CosmicPenguin | When I try to run a shared uclibc linked app on the tuxscreen, I get a file not found error... what uClibc version is on the "stock" jffs2 image? |
| 23:14:53 | CosmicPenguin | Touchscreen works under microwindows, now I just need to flip it. I will have patches tommorrow. Peace! |