| 01:07:04 | sgodsell | Hello |
| 01:08:16 | BZFlag | hey. headed home soon. |
| 01:09:06 | sgodsell | BZFlag did you see my message regarding jlic |
| 01:09:41 | BZFlag | yeah, explain? |
| 01:10:14 | BZFlag | like ssh is a conduit? or like ethernet? or like stdout? |
| 01:10:40 | BZFlag | explain: supports networking... |
| 01:10:57 | BZFlag | a conduit over tcp (which is also a conduit)? |
| 01:13:16 | BZFlag | nothing on the web page. |
| 01:13:16 | BZFlag | I don't get it. I have tcp/ssh/rsync "conduits" why do I need another? |
| 01:13:27 | sgodsell | The jlic app allows you to install packages, make jffs or cramfs images, sync, browser the remote device, submit commands. With a nice gui interface |
| 01:14:06 | sgodsell | I guess you will have to see it |
| 01:14:39 | sgodsell | It menu driven and very intuitive |
| 01:16:38 | BZFlag | explain the "make jffs images".. you mean I can replace the rootfs remotely? |
| 01:17:18 | sgodsell | yes |
| 01:17:38 | BZFlag | how, if it's mounted? |
| 01:18:33 | sgodsell | There is a jlic c program which takes to the PC |
| 01:19:02 | sgodsell | This program is a server program that sends back requests to the PC |
| 01:19:22 | BZFlag | ok, how does that effect / being mounted? |
| 01:19:23 | BZFlag | ok, how does that effect / being mounted? |
| 01:19:48 | sgodsell | The PC can check a number of status like the battery, memory, networking, mounts, etc. All gui |
| 01:20:11 | BZFlag | ssh cat /proc/meminfo gives me that, no? |
| 01:20:34 | BZFlag | but, back to the "make jffs images" please. |
| 01:20:40 | sgodsell | Well you have a point there |
| 01:21:06 | sgodsell | Well from a gui interface you can select what goes into the image |
| 01:21:29 | sgodsell | The files are stored on the PC |
| 01:21:32 | BZFlag | ok, and where does the image get built? |
| 01:22:15 | sgodsell | From there, you select what files or directories go into the jffs or cramfs image |
| 01:22:23 | sgodsell | on the PC |
| 01:23:16 | sgodsell | Then the image can be moved over. If you want to use serial, well that is not finished like I stated before |
| 01:24:05 | BZFlag | ok, so the ipaq is running linux, and has / mounted. / is the only jffs2 image. then... |
| 01:24:24 | BZFlag | I build a new jffs2 image on the pc, and from the gui pass it over to the ipaq |
| 01:24:28 | sgodsell | Oh as far as packages are concerned, well you don't need any package management on the device. (like an iPAQ) |
| 01:24:41 | sgodsell | jlic does it for you |
| 01:24:53 | BZFlag | the c app is running on the ipaq, as a daemon? as initd process? as what? |
| 01:24:59 | sgodsell | So that saves space on the PDA or device |
| 01:25:15 | sgodsell | as a daemon |
| 01:25:29 | BZFlag | and then after the c app on the ipaq gets the jffs2 image, what does it do with it? |
| 01:25:43 | BZFlag | It can't write to /dev/mtdblock2 because that is mounted as / |
| 01:25:44 | sgodsell | it even transmits the fb over (compressed) |
| 01:26:03 | BZFlag | it could hope to remount it read only, but if apps have files open that will fail. |
| 01:26:15 | BZFlag | fb? |
| 01:26:22 | sgodsell | Frame buffer |
| 01:27:04 | sgodsell | for remote viewing. Right now you can see the iPAQ screen. or control the backlight |
| 01:27:05 | BZFlag | ssh ipaq cat /dev/fb0 | rawto.. | xv <- that type of deal? |
| 01:27:09 | sgodsell | remotely |
| 01:27:37 | sgodsell | Well this automaticly refreshes on a nice gui screen |
| 01:27:43 | BZFlag | like ssh ipaq bl x x x ? |
| 01:27:58 | sgodsell | And you have a button to save a image |
| 01:28:25 | BZFlag | why do I need a daemon on the ipaq? why not just use ssh/rsh/etc ? |
| 01:28:26 | sgodsell | There is a scrollbar to brighten or dim the screen |
| 01:28:44 | sgodsell | and a toggle button for light on or off |
| 01:29:26 | sgodsell | Well when you start adding up all the little programs on the ipaq vs 40k |
| 01:29:35 | sgodsell | daemon |
| 01:29:58 | BZFlag | I have no problem with having a small c app on the ipaq. that sounds like it could be a good thing. |
| 01:30:18 | BZFlag | but the gui could exec it over serial/ssh/rsh/telnet/etc. |
| 01:30:27 | sgodsell | Well that is why I did it |
| 01:30:38 | sgodsell | Hmmm |
| 01:30:40 | sgodsell | I guess |
| 01:30:57 | BZFlag | means it is 0 impact if not in use. |
| 01:31:09 | BZFlag | well, ok. 40k on the filesystem. but no memory. |
| 01:31:33 | BZFlag | I run ssh/rsync out of inetd for the same reason. |
| 01:31:34 | sgodsell | Well the source is going to be there soon so, if you want to add to it fine, or not use it that is fine too |
| 01:32:02 | BZFlag | a jumpstart over ssh feature would be nice. |
| 01:32:24 | sgodsell | Hmmm |
| 01:32:33 | BZFlag | ie: ssh in, uname -a to find the hw etc., scp the file, then ssh and run it. |
| 01:32:52 | BZFlag | then the handheld needs nothing installed. |
| 01:33:02 | BZFlag | just 40k free in /tmp ;-) |
| 01:33:51 | sgodsell | Well there is a viewPDA screen that has osversion, battery, memory, date, network, modules, mounts (Panels) |
| 01:34:04 | sgodsell | This is part of jlic |
| 01:34:18 | BZFlag | right, all that will show up after the [jumpstart]/connect happens. |
| 01:34:49 | sgodsell | You mean when it connects to the daemon |
| 01:35:00 | sgodsell | yes |
| 01:35:25 | Russ | BZFlag: go home so you can scan the schematics |
| 01:35:30 | BZFlag | so I mean after it connects to ssh/rsh/serial/ checks the os, sends the binary over and then connects to the binary. |
| 01:35:43 | BZFlag | Russ: heh. they are in progress as we speak. |
| 01:37:02 | sgodsell | Well BZFlag I will have to make adjustments in order to do it the way you want it |
| 01:37:23 | BZFlag | so ssh, uname -a, >mybinary, chmod +x mybinary, ./mybinary -> then whatever protocol you now have. |
| 01:38:16 | BZFlag | or.. ssh, /where/mybinary, then if failure send it over. |
| 01:38:49 | BZFlag | I suspect the remote app will be smaller to as all it needs is stdin/stdout. |
| 01:39:15 | BZFlag | probably still want non-blocking so you can get status updates on flashing etc, but that code should be there anyway. |
| 01:39:25 | sgodsell | Hmmm, I was talking to someone else an they suggested using micro_initd |
| 01:39:42 | BZFlag | inetd could launch it on a port connection as well if the user does not want ssh/rsh/etc running. |
| 01:40:12 | sgodsell | Hmmm |
| 01:40:34 | BZFlag | yes, micro_initd would be good. same case though, if no init.d, just ssh on the device you can still connect to ssh and exec the c app. |
| 01:40:37 | sgodsell | Well as you can clearly see there is still more work to be done |
| 01:40:55 | BZFlag | er... if no inetd ... sorry. |
| 01:41:03 | sgodsell | No |
| 01:41:12 | sgodsell | I am thinking out loud |
| 01:41:16 | sgodsell | Sorry |
| 01:41:40 | sgodsell | Any suggestion is helpful |
| 01:42:44 | BZFlag | No? /me is puzzled. |
| 01:42:44 | BZFlag | just keep all the code that in in the daemon now, but remove the net code and the fork to bg and have it read/write from stdin/out |
| 01:42:46 | BZFlag | the rest stays the same. |
| 01:43:14 | BZFlag | if the device will not be running any services at all normally it will still work over a serial console. |
| 01:44:08 | sgodsell | That is ture |
| 01:44:11 | sgodsell | true |
| 01:44:12 | BZFlag | though if that is to be supported you might want to consider escaping xoff/xon and other control chars in the stream rather than just binary. |
| 01:46:05 | BZFlag | well, I look forward to screenshots. Thanx for listening. ;-) |
| 01:46:55 | sgodsell | Well I will give it the changes that you are suggesting. That way the serial io will be done or almost done ;) |
| 01:47:17 | sgodsell | In the long run it will be easier to maintain and add too |
| 03:12:09 | | bzflag was last seen on #tuxscreen 1 hours, 26 minutes and 4 seconds ago, saying: well, I look forward to screenshots. Thanx for listening. ;-) [Tue Aug 14 02:46:05 2001] |
| 03:12:09 | Russ | ibot: seen bzflag |
| 03:28:14 | nelsonDINNER | Inferno question: |
| 03:29:17 | nelson | "bind -a '#'t /dev" says that there are no free devices. |
| 03:31:51 | nelson | Uh-oh: I missed this error message: /inferno/install/Linux-386.sh: line 27: 5305 Killed $CDPATH/$EMUPATH/emu -c1 -G -r$CDPATH /dis/install/install.dis -r $1 -p Linux |
| 04:01:01 | nelson | Hrm. I think I'd better re-ask that question when ppl are awake. |
| 04:57:24 | Russ | no uploads yet, eh? |
| 05:03:26 | BZFlag | the guy that's scanning them was supposed to email em tonight, but nothing yet. |
| 05:03:37 | BZFlag | I imagine he'll have them at work tomorrow. |
| 05:04:48 | Russ | bummer....I'm impatient |
| 05:13:41 | BZFlag | I'd take some pictures for you or put the web cam up, but I have the papers to the other guy. ;-/ |
| 05:18:05 | Russ | do you know which serial port the mongoose is hooked to? |
| 05:19:23 | Russ | it apears that the ucb1300 and the mongoose may share a port by reading the dsp stuff |
| 05:23:35 | BZFlag | nope don't know. |
| 05:23:51 | BZFlag | I'd look it up, but... =( |
| 05:28:59 | Russ | and what DSP was it? |
| 05:30:36 | Russ | wow, 128M CF for $53 |
| 05:44:18 | Russ | do you have pics of a packed tuxscreen? |
| 05:44:48 | Russ | http://www.tuxscreen.net/img/mvc-576f.jpg |
| 05:44:52 | Russ | not quite.... |
| 06:09:51 | BZFlag | just one in a box? You have one and a box no? |
| 06:10:16 | Sammy | BZFlag : something strange ! |
| 06:10:29 | BZFlag | the DSP in the schematics is just labeled by weaties and what looks like an internal lucent part number. |
| 06:11:23 | Russ | BZFlag: wondering how to repack it, http://www.tuxscreen.net/img/mvc-576f.jpg isn't helpfull |
| 06:11:52 | Sammy | where is the Tuxscreen build ? |
| 06:14:48 | Russ | what do you mean? |
| 06:15:19 | Russ | assembled? |
| 06:16:00 | BZFlag | Russ: ahh. power supply in upper left, cables pens upper right, cardboard on top with the flaps down swarrpign the power supply. |
| 06:16:29 | BZFlag | then the cardboard with the hole on top of that. keyboard in the bag goes in the hole. |
| 06:16:57 | BZFlag | phone gets a bag over the display and one over the handset, then a bag over the whole thing. |
| 06:17:40 | BZFlag | folded cardboard tube goes brown side out and slides down over the display. then the phone goes on top. |
| 06:17:47 | BZFlag | Russ: clear? |
| 06:18:27 | BZFlag | especially the "swarrpign". should be wrapping. |
| 06:18:47 | BZFlag | got it or should I get the [web]camera? |
| 06:22:12 | Sammy | omm...the tuxscreen made by where ? |
| 06:22:59 | BZFlag | http://guest:guest@Rikers.org:8000/view/view.shtml |
| 06:24:10 | Russ | theok |
| 06:24:30 | Russ | yah, thats how I had it, thought the screen wouldn't go on the outside of the box |
| 06:24:38 | Russ | being fragile and all |
| 06:25:30 | BZFlag | I've not seen a broken one yet, but I've still got a lot to go. I have a few damaged boxes though... check this one out |
| 06:26:13 | Russ | think I'll order another one soon |
| 06:26:18 | Russ | ouch |
| 06:26:26 | Russ | at least its on the bottom |
| 06:26:53 | BZFlag | yep. and even the keyboard was fine. |
| 06:27:20 | BZFlag | forklift went right through the outer shipping box and ripped that hole. |
| 06:27:48 | BZFlag | oh, broken. I did get one, I meant not a broken one that was packed right in a box. |
| 06:28:29 | BZFlag | Sammy: made in Mexico for Philips in spring 1998. Keyboard seems to be from ... korea perhaps? |
| 06:28:29 | Sammy | is think about to order it |
| 06:28:58 | Sammy | and mainboard ? |
| 06:29:20 | Sammy | http://www.tuxscreen.net/img/infogear/20010808e.jpg |
| 06:29:38 | Russ | lots of iPAQ's |
| 06:29:38 | Sammy | this is what I say interesting ... |
| 06:30:11 | BZFlag | it's my beowulf cluster. ;-) |
| 06:30:14 | Russ | ship the TV too? |
| 06:30:32 | BZFlag | actually 2 yopys and one ipaq at present. oh wait.. |
| 06:31:25 | Russ | they are breeding |
| 06:31:28 | Russ | caus I see 4 |
| 06:32:07 | Russ | er, 5 and some weird PCNet boxes |
| 06:32:20 | BZFlag | agenda vr3's |
| 06:33:42 | BZFlag | and an infogear webphone |
| 06:34:32 | BZFlag | and a clio... |
| 06:34:43 | BZFlag | stops digging for hardware. |
| 06:35:43 | BZFlag | TV is a 26" JVC that has no tuner. picture is fine. I still have the packaging, but the set is ... |
| 06:36:03 | BZFlag | around 5 years old? |
| 06:41:27 | Russ | no tuner? |
| 06:41:44 | Russ | the clio is weird |
| 06:42:44 | BZFlag | it has a tuner, just not one that works. |
| 06:45:54 | BZFlag | the clio is cool, but not running linux yet. http://www.pocketpcmag.com/Jan00/clio.htm |
| 06:47:14 | Russ | how much? |
| 06:53:27 | BZFlag | no idea. work project for when I get the time. |
| 06:53:51 | BZFlag | I seem to recall it was more than I wanted to spend.. say $1400 usd or so? |
| 06:54:43 | BZFlag | that page shows $999 retail. |
| 06:54:43 | Russ | ick |
| 06:59:40 | BZFlag | yeah. would be worth 600-700 imho |
| 07:00:32 | BZFlag | for $1k you can get a decent laptop, no touch screen, but more storage. |
| 07:07:56 | Sammy | BZFlag : some of Tuxscreen is made in R.O.C... |
| 07:08:12 | Sammy | see this http://www.tuxscreen.net/img/infogear/20010808e.jpg |
| 07:09:05 | Russ | thats an infogear, not a tuxscreen |
| 07:10:39 | Sammy | oh ? what is this ? |
| 07:12:07 | Russ | an infogear |
| 07:12:34 | Sammy | I really can't image what tuxscreen inside , maybe BZFlag should really keep one for me ... |
| 07:13:03 | Russ | http://www.tuxscreen.net/img/images.html |
| 07:14:07 | Sammy | someday I 'll order it soon |
| 07:16:39 | Sammy | I saw that Tuxscreen can run LINEO |
| 07:20:02 | Russ | it was running X on a nfs mounted debian install |
| 07:30:19 | BZFlag | Starting tinkle [ OK ] <- from yopy startup. |
| 07:38:48 | Russ | ummm.....o |
| 07:38:49 | Russ | k |
| 07:55:56 | BZFlag | Russ: show's over. ;-) |
| 07:59:20 | Russ | somehow, I lost my tape gun |
| 08:02:10 | Russ | did I pack it? |
| 08:25:33 | dec_ | bzflag, closed the :8000 port. |
| 08:25:33 | dec_ | damn |
| 12:09:34 | bworth | hello all |
| 12:09:57 | bworth | cworth, mallum: how did your installs go yesterday? |
| 12:10:52 | cworth | bworth: just fine for both. |
| 12:11:00 | mallum | yes :) |
| 12:11:11 | cworth | bworth: mallum was talking on the wrong tty when he thought his was dead. |
| 12:11:13 | mallum | I was installing via a new machine, had never used minicom on it |
| 12:11:28 | mallum | minicom from speaking to ttys3 which didn't exist |
| 12:11:41 | cworth | I never saw any output on the screen yesterday, but this morning I popped the original 8MB SODIMM back and logged in on the console. |
| 12:11:44 | bworth | mallum: oh, i bet that was a relief |
| 12:12:00 | mallum | bworth: yeah, an exillerating experience |
| 12:12:17 | cworth | bworth: my tuxscreen is up on the ethernet now with my Socket LP-E CF ethernet card. |
| 12:12:19 | bworth | cworth: which sodimm had you been using? |
| 12:12:20 | mallum | cworth: did you try the 64mb one yet .... |
| 12:12:27 | mallum | cworth: nice |
| 12:12:43 | cworth | bworth: none, (you have to take it out to do the 12V zap to unprotect the flash) |
| 12:12:54 | bworth | cworth: oh, i see |
| 12:13:01 | mallum | cworth: I got a bid on a cf card on ebay .... cant afford a brand new one at the moment |
| 12:13:04 | cworth | mallum: not yet, when my boss comes in today hopefully he can dig it out of his office. |
| 12:13:21 | mallum | cworth: cool, I really hope it works |
| 12:14:35 | mallum | brb ... |
| 12:16:01 | bworth | great, sounds like everybody is having good success getting linux on their tux's |
| 12:23:15 | mallum | yes, I'm really stoked that it worked |
| 12:23:32 | mallum | the base system seems really nice for something so small |
| 12:23:39 | bworth | so, is there a list of "ToDo" items for tux development? |
| 12:23:56 | mallum | wonders why familiar is not using busybox too... |
| 12:24:51 | mallum | cworth: the ash on the tuxscreen has history and tab completion - yet the ipaq ash does not ... ? |
| 12:32:14 | mallum | hi nikos |
| 12:32:25 | nikos | Hi mallum |
| 12:33:10 | mallum | nikos: me & cworth got our tuxscreens installed last night :))) |
| 12:33:30 | nikos | mallum: Excellent, Congratulations! |
| 12:35:27 | mallum | am really chuffed |
| 12:35:47 | mallum | there was 3 of us installing in paralell last night ! |
| 12:44:54 | bworth | nikos: yeah, it was exciting just watching the play by play unfold on irc - we thought we lost mallum for a while, but he pulled through |
| 12:45:06 | nikos | Heh |
| 12:45:11 | mallum | he he |
| 13:28:14 | AlHaz | mallum: Yeah, bb-ash i think may be from different code than regular ash |
| 13:28:33 | AlHaz | mallum: either that or someone just got sick and tired of not having those features |
| 13:28:55 | AlHaz | I know I was pretty sick & tired of not having them in ash |
| 13:31:19 | mallum | yeah, tab completion aint much to ask for ... nor is history |
| 13:32:37 | AlHaz | busybox has become a lot more user friendly over the last year, the people who put together familiar probably don't know how nice it's become |
| 13:33:24 | mallum | yeah I suspect thats the case |
| 13:33:41 | mallum | next time I catch a7r , I'll prompt him ... |
| 13:33:57 | nikos | Frankly, the best bet is for someone to simply build the packages/images. |
| 13:34:11 | nikos | a7r simply doesn't have the time to build everything himself. |
| 13:35:01 | mallum | nikos: Yes, I may do that - just no point in building them if a7r doesn't want to include them ... |
| 13:35:52 | AlHaz | there may be scripts in familiar that won't work with busybox utilities without modification |
| 13:35:56 | nikos | mallum: Don't think that way. a7r is not the be all end all. If enough people want it, it will be included. |
| 13:36:45 | nikos | mallum: Even now we have the bleeding feed which mirrors external feeds for any packages. |
| 13:36:48 | mallum | nikos: good point |
| 13:37:24 | nikos | AlHaz: I think the main problem is that we want to try to use the Debian packages with as little modification as possible. |
| 13:37:39 | AlHaz | nikos: could be |
| 13:37:50 | mallum | hi CosmicPenguin, did you sucseed last night ? |
| 13:38:23 | CosmicPenguin | I did indeed - I even have Microwindows up and running... |
| 13:38:43 | CosmicPenguin | I'll post a screenshot if I can track down a digital camera this morning |
| 13:38:50 | AlHaz | I don't have an ipaq, for something i carry around in my pocket and use as a PIM, etc, I'm sticking to my palm pilot until linux handhelds mature some more |
| 13:39:04 | nikos | CosmicPenguin: Is there no xwd-like utility? |
| 13:39:11 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: wow, cool - with touch screen working too ? |
| 13:39:24 | AlHaz | the new Sharp handheld is pretty sweet, might be the one i end up buying |
| 13:39:47 | mallum | AlHaz: I think the new sharp one is more or less the same as an ipaq |
| 13:39:59 | CosmicPenguin | nikos: There is a screenshot function, but only when you hit "printscreen", so I'm kind of out of luck there.... |
| 13:40:13 | nikos | CosmicPenguin: Heh |
| 13:40:19 | AlHaz | mallum: My complaints about the ipaq are mostly hardware related |
| 13:40:25 | CosmicPenguin | Also, I want to prove that its working on the tuxscreen itself, and not just on my desktop..... |
| 13:40:31 | nikos | AlHaz: The button issue? |
| 13:40:40 | nikos | CosmicPenguin: Sure, makes sense |
| 13:40:46 | AlHaz | nikos: the button issue, and iirc the new zaurus has a cf slot built in |
| 13:40:49 | AlHaz | no need for a sleeve |
| 13:40:57 | CosmicPenguin | Mallum: It opened the TS correctly, but I was too lazy to put the calibrator on, so I don't know how well it was responding |
| 13:41:00 | AlHaz | the new zaurus also has an itty bitty keyboard |
| 13:41:24 | mallum | AlHaz: its a pity about it not being able to recieve 2 keypresses at once |
| 13:41:37 | AlHaz | mallum: Yeah, i wonder how they screwed that up |
| 13:42:31 | AlHaz | I'm surprised by the non-suckage of the new sharp one - the Zaurus line has been a real snoozer for a long, long time |
| 13:42:59 | AlHaz | they've exemplified "nothing special" |
| 13:44:39 | AlHaz | I bought a IIIxe early in '99, it's done most of what i want a computer in my pocket to do. Familiar is getting a lot better at being that, but it's not a PalmOS replacement, for me at least, yet. |
| 13:45:38 | AlHaz | Anyway, i've gotta go to work, bbl |
| 13:55:45 | CosmicPenguin | Is Russ present and accounted for today? |
| 14:03:51 | CosmicPenguin | It looks like kernel.org is down? Is there something bad happening to the net? |
| 14:08:08 | nikos | CosmicPenguin: I can't get there either. We've had one report from a customer of inability to reach our network. |
| 14:09:09 | CosmicPenguin | nikos: Russ's site is down too... |
| 14:10:07 | bworth | CosmicPenguin: congrats on your success! |
| 14:10:57 | nikos | I wish there was an Internet-wide NOC-like site where you could go to get info on overall world network status. |
| 14:11:26 | nikos | is away: Gotta run home, back soon. |
| 14:19:28 | Aelhaz | nikos: there is |
| 14:19:38 | Aelhaz | nikos: I forget what it's called, or where it is, tho |
| 14:20:17 | CosmicPenguin | bworth: Thanks. Now I just need to get some actual content on there |
| 14:20:23 | nelson | is looking for a clue: |
| 14:20:26 | nelson | installation complete |
| 14:20:34 | nelson | |
| 14:20:46 | CosmicPenguin | I'm thinking that a traditional window manager wouldn't be useful, since I wouldn't want to draw windows around with my finger... |
| 14:21:02 | nelson | followed by:/inferno/install/Linux-386.sh: line 27: 22124 Killed $CDPATH/$EMUPATH/emu -c1 -G -r$CDPATH /dis/install/install.dis -r $1 -p Linux |
| 14:21:22 | CosmicPenguin | nelson: I got that too... ignore it |
| 14:21:35 | CosmicPenguin | r/draw/drag |
| 14:26:08 | bworth | CosmicPenguin: alot of us using ipaq handhelds are using a modified version of ion, which uses full-screen windows that can be split horizontally/vertically. Very stylus-friendly |
| 14:26:46 | nikos | is back |
| 14:28:00 | nikos | bworth: I would think the Tuxscreen would be different though. You have a lot more real estate that make overlapping windows useable. |
| 14:28:32 | mallum | nelson: are you running a 2.4 kernel ? |
| 14:29:57 | CosmicPenguin | bworth, nikos: I was thinking of making everything go almost full screen, leaving some real estate on the left hand side of the screen for icons |
| 14:30:22 | CosmicPenguin | Once again, I think that I would rather use my finger, then search around for a stylus every time I wanted to make a phone call.... :0 |
| 14:30:34 | nikos | What is the rez anyway? 800x600 1024x768? |
| 14:31:02 | nikos | CosmicPenguin: Good point, looks like yet another window manager mode of operation. |
| 14:33:34 | nelson | mallum: no, 2.2. |
| 14:34:47 | CosmicPenguin | Here is a quickly screenshot of what I have so far (this is from my desktop): http://cosmic.censoft.com/tuxscrwm.png |
| 14:34:51 | nelson | CosmicPenguin: I did ignore it, but bind doesn't work: ; bind -a '#'t /dev |
| 14:34:51 | nelson | bind: no free devices |
| 14:34:51 | nelson | ; |
| 14:34:53 | bworth | nikos:resolution is 640x480 |
| 14:35:41 | mallum | nelson: did you download the emu replacement binary for a 2.4 ? |
| 14:35:43 | CosmicPenguin | nelson: Either give your serial ports global read/write permission, or make a group that has read/write permission on the serial ports and use that |
| 14:35:49 | nelson | mallum: yes. |
| 14:36:01 | nelson | CosmicPenguin: Ahhhhhhh, yes, that might be it, thanks. |
| 14:36:10 | mallum | nelson: ok, yeah check the permissions then |
| 14:36:17 | CosmicPenguin | Inferno needs to have access to the serial ports, but for some reason, it can't read and write to the disk if you are root.... |
| 14:36:25 | mallum | nelson: if you on debian , add yourself to the dialout group |
| 14:36:30 | nikos | bworth: Ah, less than I though. |
| 14:36:33 | nikos | thought |
| 14:36:55 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: yeah it wierd is wont write to disk as root |
| 14:37:10 | nelson | Yes, that did it. |
| 14:37:29 | mallum | now try it ? |
| 14:37:53 | mallum | any joy ? |
| 14:38:40 | nelson | yes, joy, but only on /dev/ttyS0. /dev/ttyR1 (which is th3 serial port I want to use) already was rw-rw-rw- |
| 14:39:23 | mallum | cool .... I think ? |
| 14:41:07 | bworth | CosmicPenguin: I had in mind something like what sony has done with their evilla "internet appliance" http://www.evilla.com - large graphic icons on tab pages. I plan to use the tuxscreen to develop a gui for a wireless "tablet pc" and so a "finger friendly" interface is something i will be looking for/developing |
| 14:42:11 | nelson | Woo hoo! Contact has been made! |
| 14:42:28 | mallum | yehaa |
| 14:42:41 | mallum | now the really fun bit .... |
| 14:43:27 | nelson | Well, no, first I need +12V. |
| 14:43:42 | mallum | thats the fun bit ... |
| 14:43:49 | CosmicPenguin | bworth: The Evilla looks good. Thats exactly along the lines of what I was thinking |
| 14:44:05 | mallum | does any one have Russ|werk's email addr ? |
| 14:45:14 | nelson | mallum: No, you forget that I'm a Trained Electrical Engineer. I've got a Master's of Science in it. Of course, it's quite possible to graduate with a BSEE and MSEE without ever learning to wire-wrap or solder. |
| 14:45:47 | mallum | mallum: hehe |
| 14:46:14 | mallum | nelson: I got my girlfriend to do it. no way could I do it far to fidily |
| 14:46:40 | mallum | nelson: what I did do though was put some tap over the other pins for a bit of safety ... |
| 14:48:00 | bworth | CosmicPenguin: I'd even like to see a similar interface on the ipaq handheld - an app picker page with large icons that would bring up full screen apps, that could be designed to utilize the entire screen real-estate |
| 14:49:03 | mallum | s/tape/tap/ |
| 14:49:14 | mallum | cant type |
| 14:57:31 | mallum | Russ|werk: hi, are you there ? |
| 15:01:44 | CosmicPenguin | bworth: Problem with the ipaq is that a finger click takes up so much real estate - |
| 15:02:22 | nikos | CosmicPenguin: I think it is doable though, I use ion with my finger currently. Its problematic but not too bad. |
| 15:21:51 | Aelhaz | Targus is rebranding Socket LP-E nics. They don't seem to be selling the one with the Targus sticker on it any cheaper than the one with the Socket sticker on it, but people might be able to find the targus branded version where they wouldn't find the Socket |
| 15:23:53 | CosmicPenguin | I added a line to the InfernoRemote wiki regarding the serial port permission thing.... |
| 15:29:16 | Aelhaz | people could also uuencode the file and tell minicom to ascii upload it, but the entire setup would be a lot more complex |
| 16:33:53 | mallum | hi all |
| 16:33:58 | Aelhaz | hi |
| 16:34:04 | mallum | Russ|werk: about yet ....? |
| 16:34:08 | mallum | hi Aelhaz |
| 16:34:40 | Aelhaz | haven't seen him say anything |
| 16:35:45 | mallum | Aelhaz: have you ( or anybody else ) set up uClibc cross compile enviroment ? |
| 16:36:48 | Aelhaz | mallum: No, I've got too much stuff goin on lately |
| 16:38:25 | Aelhaz | I was kinda hoping that russ would throw a tarball of his tree somewhere |
| 16:38:27 | Aelhaz | <-- wimp |
| 16:38:30 | Aelhaz | <-- lazy |
| 16:39:06 | mallum | Aelhaz: well I will , I've x-compiled it successfully, just wanna check with russ before I make install |
| 16:39:42 | mallum | I had to soft link some o the include stuff to get it to compile |
| 16:39:46 | Aelhaz | mallum: know how you mean |
| 16:39:52 | mallum | I just wanna make sure I got them right |
| 16:40:14 | Aelhaz | I'm rebuilding dead laptops & stuff at home, just too much junk to fiddle with, haven't had time for the tuxscreen yet |
| 16:40:31 | Aelhaz | the top of my list is still to get rid of the DEC Multia I've been using as a firewall for three years |
| 16:40:36 | Aelhaz | know anyone who wants an alpha? |
| 16:42:44 | mallum | Aelhaz: Whats the spec on it ? |
| 16:44:06 | Aelhaz | mallum: pizzabox formfactor, 32 megs of ram, 21066 (I think, might be 21064) at 166mhz, 1gb notebook ide harddrive. one half-length pci slot, two pcmcia slots, onboard ethernet, video, serial, parallel, and scsi |
| 16:46:05 | Aelhaz | http://www.obsolyte.com/dec/multia/ |
| 16:46:39 | Aelhaz | I don't have the metal bracket used to hold them up-right, I'm using a bolt-on plastic bracket instead |
| 16:47:10 | Aelhaz | oh, on board audio too, but it's not very good, it would make an extremely crappy mp3 player |
| 16:47:37 | Aelhaz | on the other hand, a pci sound card could probably be used |
| 16:47:55 | mallum | looks pretty cool though |
| 16:48:16 | Aelhaz | yeah |
| 16:48:20 | Aelhaz | and it's been reliable |
| 16:48:34 | mallum | hwo much do you want for it ? |
| 16:50:47 | Aelhaz | *shrug* about $50 i think |
| 16:51:02 | Aelhaz | heh, and someone on ebay has the original stand for it for sale . . |
| 16:51:58 | Aelhaz | bbl, goin to lunch |
| 18:19:17 | mallum | Russ|werk: are you about yet .... ? |
| 18:23:33 | mallum | BZFlag: you wouldn't happen to have a copy of russ's uClibc Config file and patches would you .... ? |
| 18:25:56 | BZFlag | nope. checked his site? I know he was talking about putting it up. |
| 18:26:28 | BZFlag | hmm.. his site is down. |
| 18:26:43 | mallum | yes, I think its been down for a while ... |
| 18:27:05 | mallum | I tried to compile the wireless tools, with a x-compiler |
| 18:27:21 | mallum | but failed .... the errors look pretty heavy |
| 18:28:40 | mallum | thinking of something else to compile.... |
| 18:32:30 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Russ's only changes were seting INCLUDE_RPC to true in the Config.arm and setting WANT_GNU_ERRNO to 1 in libc/stdio/printf.c |
| 18:33:00 | CosmicPenguin | At least for uclibc. |
| 18:33:42 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: thanks ... |
| 18:36:59 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: did you compile microwindows against it ? |
| 18:39:36 | BZFlag | off to work... |
| 20:11:15 | CosmicPenguin | Russ - Are you there? |
| 20:12:56 | Aelhaz | Russ mentioned that he's moving today and tomorrow, I don't expect him to be here much until thursday at the earliest |
| 20:18:55 | CosmicPenguin | That would be why the web site is down, huh? |
| 20:19:05 | CosmicPenguin | Does anyone else have the kernel patches? |
| 20:25:25 | BZFlag | goes to upload the latest patches... |
| 20:25:45 | Aelhaz | could be |
| 20:28:26 | BZFlag | uploaded the latest, including the 2.4.7 patch I've not yet uploaded a kernel for |
| 20:28:51 | BZFlag | http://TuxScreen.net/download/v0.3/ |
| 20:29:32 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: when you built uClibc, did have to make some softlinks to get it to compile ( asm and proc directorys ) ? |
| 20:30:48 | BZFlag | IIRC you need to build a kernel for your target device first. |
| 20:31:10 | BZFlag | then tell uClibc where that is. the kernel build should have created the correct links. no? |
| 20:31:59 | mallum | BZFlag: theres nothing about it in the readme ... |
| 20:32:36 | mallum | BZFlag: The make was missing headers in a asm and proc directory |
| 20:33:16 | mallum | BZFlag: I noticed there lots of asm-PLATFORM directorys so I linked asm -> asm-sa1100 |
| 20:33:23 | mallum | and proc to proc-armv |
| 20:34:01 | mallum | and it compiled ok |
| 20:34:57 | nelson | silly me, is everyone fitting all this stuff into 4Megabytes?? |
| 20:35:18 | CosmicPenguin | mallum - I didn't have the correct kernel, so I just used the ARM in the stock kernel. Bad idea.... |
| 20:35:46 | CosmicPenguin | It got real mad, so tonight I am going to try it with the kernel that we are using.... |
| 20:35:52 | mallum | however I couldn't get wireless tools to compile, I couldn't make head nor tail of the errors |
| 20:36:34 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: you copied the arm/asm stuff form the regular kernel source ? |
| 20:36:36 | Aelhaz | nelson: You can mount stuff on a CF card in a pcmcia slot if 4m isn't big enough |
| 20:36:40 | CosmicPenguin | My problem was that we were using outb/inb and outw/inw in a file, and I didn't have them defined anywhere..... |
| 20:37:05 | mallum | nelson: 4m is a challange :) + remember its slighly more than that with jffs2 |
| 20:37:09 | CosmicPenguin | I guess ucLibc expects the architecture to handle that itself. The standard skiff compiled just fine.... |
| 20:37:26 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: I soft linked to include/asm-arm in the stock kernel.... |
| 20:37:46 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: you are compiling this on the skiffs, not a cross compiler ? |
| 20:37:51 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: You recommend an upgrade to 2.4.7? |
| 20:37:59 | CosmicPenguin | Sorry, the skiff cross compiler...... :) |
| 20:38:40 | mallum | BZFlag: do you have a mail address for russ ? |
| 21:13:14 | CosmicPenguin | Tim: Do you suggest a upgrade to 2.4.7 - Is it stable? |
| 22:25:10 | BZFlag | is running 2.4.7 here. the tux 2.4.7 is the recommended one. |
| 22:35:28 | CosmicPenguin | Anyone still out there? |
| 22:36:57 | Aelhaz | Yup |
