| 00:14:41 | thekernel | I'll try that |
| 00:15:33 | thekernel | It worked! |
| 00:15:46 | thekernel | I'll put that on the wiki |
| 00:22:31 | thekernel | I love this wiki stuff |
| 00:50:27 | thekernel | Does anyone know how long wiki has been around? |
| 00:50:56 | Russ|werk | dunno |
| 00:51:08 | thekernel | It's really cool |
| 00:55:20 | thekernel | I'd be quite tempted to keep the phone as it is except that it doesn't seem to be able to use my DSL instead of dialup |
| 01:00:21 | Russ|werk | course not, no DSL modem |
| 01:00:58 | Russ|werk | once we get linux going, and you get a pcmcia net card, it will be able to, along with other hopefully cool stuff, like voice over ip |
| 01:02:48 | thekernel | I've already hacked on one arm based unit, this will be much funner |
| 01:04:18 | thekernel | The keyboard doesn't work right, the forward slash doesn't do anything and varyous keys like home, pg up and so on print a funky character. Perhaps where inferno failed linux will come through. |
| 01:04:43 | Russ|werk | they keyboard with linux works |
| 01:04:53 | Russ|werk | I don't know what to do with screen+/- yet |
| 01:06:08 | thekernel | I'm sure the keyboard would work in linux. We can control that... |
| 01:06:16 | thekernel | How's that? |
| 01:07:01 | Russ|werk | I did the keyboard support |
| 01:07:14 | Russ|werk | also the num lock key is quite useless at the moment |
| 01:07:24 | Russ|werk | I make call server 'pause' |
| 01:07:37 | Russ|werk | and the blank key 'left meta' |
| 01:07:52 | thekernel | Cool, what else needs to be done? |
| 01:08:20 | thekernel | I think I want to get another one of these things |
| 01:08:45 | Russ|werk | the dsp that contols the keypad, LED, DTMF, audio sources/dests |
| 01:09:14 | thekernel | what do we know about the DSP? |
| 01:09:28 | thekernel | I havn't cracked mine open. |
| 01:09:36 | Russ|werk | quite a bit, except for what DSP it is... |
| 01:09:53 | thekernel | wow, that much? |
| 01:11:04 | thekernel | Today tim said something about schematics on the device being sent to him. I wonder if that would have some good info on the DSP |
| 01:11:58 | Aelhaz | thekernel: Tim said something to me the other day about schematics being mailed to him once before and aparantly getting lost in the mail |
| 01:12:35 | thekernel | Maybe that was it. |
| 01:15:46 | thekernel | perhaps I'm just a bit slow, but I'm having trouble figuring out what to do with inferno. |
| 01:19:31 | thekernel | It seems to be seg faulting |
| 01:21:33 | Russ|werk | I think you have the wrong version of whatever that is |
| 01:22:02 | thekernel | Yeah, I just read the page again and got linuxemu.gz |
| 05:01:00 | Russ | hey tim |
| 05:01:47 | Russ | schematics? |
| 05:06:53 | BZFlag | no. |
| 05:13:20 | Russ | the dsp stuff is just odd |
| 05:13:50 | Russ | still unsure where its hooking up, going to start doing some probing on the board with an ohm meter |
| 05:14:27 | Russ | where was the tuxscreen mailing list? |
| 05:14:36 | BZFlag | topic? |
| 05:14:53 | BZFlag | http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=20228 |
| 05:16:56 | BZFlag | installing familiar on a phone. ;-) |
| 05:17:10 | Russ | breakfast@10.am .... nice |
| 05:17:50 | BZFlag | got a 64M CF in one slot and the socket cf eth in the other |
| 05:17:57 | Russ | sweet |
| 05:18:09 | Russ | be nice if 5V cards worked though |
| 05:18:41 | BZFlag | agreed! |
| 05:19:14 | Russ | time to do some probing.... |
| 05:19:54 | BZFlag | don't fry anything... |
| 05:20:59 | Russ | heh |
| 05:22:50 | BZFlag | hmmm... locked up hard. rebooting |
| 05:23:44 | Russ | thats bad |
| 05:30:59 | BZFlag | trying pivot_root |
| 05:35:23 | | i heard sshkeys was ssh-keygen -b 512 -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key -N ''; ssh-keygen -d -b 512 -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key -N '' |
| 05:35:23 | BZFlag | ibot: sshkeys |
| 05:36:31 | BZFlag | sweet. I'm sshed into the phone. ;-) |
| 05:39:06 | Russ | thats a first |
| 05:39:29 | BZFlag | installing X |
| 05:39:59 | BZFlag | I could add an account for you. ;-) |
| 05:40:09 | Russ | btw, flash timing hawe been fixed for a while |
| 05:40:21 | BZFlag | in 2.0.3 blob? |
| 05:41:04 | Russ | yah |
| 05:41:18 | BZFlag | cool. |
| 05:42:12 | BZFlag | hmmm.. hung again. I wonder if it's reiser. |
| 05:43:10 | BZFlag | tar/gzip are running. sysrq on serial works |
| 05:44:50 | BZFlag | can ping, can't login on console or serial |
| 05:46:11 | BZFlag | sysrq kIll got me back |
| 05:51:02 | Russ | maybe the log takes a long time to reply |
| 05:51:11 | Russ | it seems the CPU board doesn't have 5V on it |
| 05:51:25 | Russ | which will make the hack more cumbersome |
| 05:52:27 | Russ | you take the DSP off the dead one yet? |
| 05:56:42 | BZFlag | nope, just the cover |
| 06:12:24 | BZFlag | ERROR: TS_GET_CALIBRATION `raw_cal' ioctl fails! |
| 06:24:22 | Russ | hmmm |
| 06:26:16 | | it has been said that qpe is at http://qpe.sourceforge.net |
| 06:26:16 | BZFlag | ibot: qpe |
| 06:27:24 | | BZFlag: i'm not following you... |
| 06:27:24 | BZFlag | ibot: konqqpe |
| 06:27:25 | BZFlag | ibot: search for konq |
| 06:30:58 | BZFlag | well enough hacking for tonight... oh, the error was when I tried to run the ipaq xcalibrate |
| 06:31:02 | BZFlag | nite |
| 06:59:20 | kR | What's up |
| 07:03:52 | Russ | tired |
| 07:04:11 | kR | I hear that. |
| 07:04:19 | kR | Are you aka BZFlag? |
| 07:04:43 | kR | oh, wait.. that's Tim something |
| 07:04:54 | kR | You must be Russ Dill |
| 07:05:52 | kR | I was going to ask about Ethernet cards that can be used... |
| 07:06:21 | Russ | yah |
| 07:06:27 | Russ | 3V cards |
| 07:06:38 | Russ | a 5V hack will be worked out |
| 07:06:50 | kR | What about the rumor about resets? |
| 07:07:39 | kR | brb, getting a nice cold drink |
| 07:09:20 | Russ | yah, it can't perform a reset either |
| 07:09:35 | Russ | there will be a hack for that too |
| 07:11:12 | kR | I'm sure you're aware of www.asteriskpbx.org |
| 07:15:12 | kR | remind me to get some before it is slashdotted |
| 07:15:41 | Russ | ? |
| 07:16:12 | Russ | ah, I think I read about this a long time ag |
| 07:16:15 | Russ | er, ago |
| 07:16:39 | Russ | it would be great to get the is2630 getting ip over voice |
| 07:16:46 | Russ | er |
| 07:16:50 | Russ | sleep, need |
| 07:17:44 | kR | yep.. when did this project start? seems like everything is really recent |
| 07:18:13 | Russ | probably about a year or so ago? |
| 07:20:29 | kR | Do you have any notes on possible 5V and reset hacks? |
| 07:21:24 | Russ | supposed to be getting schematics in soon |
| 07:21:50 | kR | I have a lot of extra WaveLAN cards sitting around. |
| 07:22:23 | kR | Looks like WEP is a joke now, though |
| 07:23:09 | Russ | don't know if I would have trusted wireless encryption anyway |
| 07:23:52 | kR | Nope.. brb.. gonna shut off this desktop and use my notebook upstairs. Housemate is trying to sleep. |
| 07:28:14 | kR | back |
| 07:28:35 | kR | So.. what I'm interested in is getting wireless PCMCIA cards working in the Shannon |
| 07:28:45 | kR | For use with VoIP |
| 07:29:08 | kR | I've been involved with the Asterisk PBX stuff for a while |
| 07:30:28 | Russ | if they are 3V, its likely they will work |
| 07:30:41 | Russ | if not, you'll have to wait a bit, then pull out a soldering iron |
| 07:30:54 | kR | nope, they're 5V |
| 07:31:13 | kR | and I have my soldering iron ready at all times.. okay.. maybe it's not plugged in always.. |
| 07:36:10 | Russ | CF cards are usually 3V |
| 07:36:14 | Russ | so if you have $$$ |
| 07:36:21 | Russ | you can get a CF card and a sleeve |
| 07:41:10 | kR | http://www.proxim.com/products/oem/6630.shtml |
| 07:41:17 | kR | I'd rather wait for 5V :-) |
| 07:41:55 | kR | http://www.symbol.com/products/wireless/la4137.html |
| 07:42:55 | Russ | its expensive stuff |
| 07:43:38 | kR | Yeah, $300 for that symbol module |
| 07:43:56 | kR | compared to $110 for WaveLANs |
| 10:14:55 | mallum | Anybody here about ? |
| 10:52:52 | mallum | everybody asleep ? |
| 13:48:21 | mallum | anybody awake yet ? |
| 13:55:09 | dec | yes, I'm sleeping while being awake. |
| 13:57:23 | mallum | dec: do you have a tuxscreen ? |
| 13:57:47 | dec | yep |
| 13:57:58 | mallum | and have you installed linux on it ? |
| 13:58:13 | dec | i should actually install it. |
| 13:58:41 | mallum | hmm, have you tried a serial connection to it via the inferno emu ? |
| 13:59:10 | dec | nope, although I have all what it takes. I could try. |
| 13:59:27 | mallum | I cant seem to get a connection :( |
| 13:59:51 | mallum | Im not 100% sure that the cable I have is a NULL modem one |
| 13:59:55 | dec | line parameters are correct? |
| 14:00:20 | dec | mallum, dont you have two serial ports on the PC? |
| 14:00:20 | mallum | yes , following the wiki instrcutions ( http://www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view//InfernoRemote ) |
| 14:00:28 | mallum | dec: yes |
| 14:00:47 | dec | mallum, so set a getty on the other, and connect the cable. |
| 14:00:58 | mallum | dec: should I be able to write to one and read from the other > |
| 14:01:24 | dec | mallum, yeah. But you can check with getty. |
| 14:01:49 | dec | mallum, or just test the wires with a meter. |
| 14:05:14 | mallum | dec: hmm, how do I tell getty to use the serial ? |
| 14:08:42 | dec | mallum, edit /etc/inittab. which distribution? |
| 14:08:56 | mallum | debian woody |
| 14:09:09 | dec | mallum, T0:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 115200 vt100 |
| 14:09:15 | dec | would be fine. |
| 14:09:20 | dec | then just kill -1 1 |
| 14:09:44 | mallum | dec: cany I stick it on ttyS1 as I normally use ttys0 for ipaq |
| 14:09:53 | dec | and use the ttyS1 for the terminal emulator. |
| 14:10:06 | dec | mallum, of course. |
| 14:10:18 | dec | mallum, just change T0 => T1 ttyS0 => ttyS1 |
| 14:10:36 | mallum | yep, I got you - init tab already has lines in there |
| 14:10:42 | mallum | commented out of course though |
| 14:10:48 | dec | yep |
| 14:12:12 | mallum | hmmm, minicom not doing anything - Im guessing I should see a login prompt ? |
| 14:15:28 | dec | mallum, did you connect the cable, and kill -HUP 1 (kill -1 1)? If getty is on ttyS1, you should be using ttyS0. If you are using correct line parameters eg. 115200,8N1, you should ge a login. Try sending a newline, or a break, if everything else is in order. If you cant get anything, the cable is wrong. |
| 14:16:57 | mallum | dec: yes I sent a HUP to init. AFAIK minicom is set to 115200,8N1 ( ipaq settings ) on ttyS0 |
| 14:17:07 | mallum | dec: Im trying another cable |
| 14:17:17 | dec | mallum, so you need to connect the cable from ttyS0 => ttyS1. |
| 14:18:21 | mallum | yeah cable is connected |
| 14:18:54 | mallum | hmm, I havwe another serial cable that goes to my modem - are the chances good thats a null modem cable ? |
| 14:18:57 | dec | mallum, minicom -s or Ctrl-A+z+h to get the help, and O or P to get on the parameters. |
| 14:19:09 | dec | mallum, no, it's not a null modem. |
| 14:19:35 | mallum | px A - Serial Device : /dev/ttyS0 x |
| 14:19:35 | mallum | x B - Lockfile Location : /var/lock x |
| 14:19:35 | mallum | Presx C - Callin Program : x |
| 14:19:36 | mallum | x D - Callout Program : x |
| 14:19:36 | mallum | x E - Bps/Par/Bits : 115200 8N1 x |
| 14:19:36 | mallum | x F - Hardware Flow Control : No x |
| 14:19:38 | mallum | x G - Software Flow Control : No |
| 14:19:53 | dec | ok, it's fine. |
| 14:20:07 | dec | please dont paste so many lines at a time. |
| 14:20:16 | mallum | dec sorry |
| 14:20:26 | mallum | and 'T1:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS1 115200 vt100' in inittab |
| 14:21:31 | mallum | I've just noticed thats slightly different to what you sent me .... |
| 14:22:33 | mallum | hmmm, shouldn't make any difference thouhg ... will add the 4 and the 5 |
| 14:31:13 | mallum | was told when he bought this cable that it was null :( |
| 14:52:04 | Philippe | is anyone working on the project is her E? |
| 14:52:22 | Philippe | y'a des francais ici .. ? |
| 14:54:38 | dec | humm |
| 14:54:48 | Philippe | ah |
| 14:54:50 | Philippe | un francais ! |
| 14:55:02 | Philippe | tuxscreen ca fonctionne sur un proc StrongArm ? |
| 14:55:42 | dec | phillippe, oui. |
| 14:55:53 | Philippe | j'ai un iPaq avec un strongarm |
| 14:55:57 | dec | phillippe, sa-1100 de strongarm. regardez-le vers le haut. |
| 14:56:06 | Philippe | ainsi qu'une distrib familiar 0.4 |
| 14:56:08 | Philippe | ca fonctionne nickel |
| 14:56:18 | Philippe | quel est le but de tuxscreen ? de la téléphonie ? |
| 14:57:49 | dec | phillippe, c'est un telephone avec lecran avec email, browser, fax, repondeur etc. |
| 14:58:30 | Philippe | ok |
| 14:58:35 | Philippe | ca fonctionne sous linux ? |
| 14:58:40 | Philippe | intégralement ? |
| 14:58:52 | Philippe | ca fonctionne completement ? |
| 14:59:48 | dec | philippe, en quelque sorte, il n'est pas complete pourtant le projet avance rapidement |
| 15:03:17 | Philippe | c pas gratuit comme projet ? |
| 16:03:50 | mallum | dec: thanks for the help earlier |
| 16:04:30 | mallum | dec: Looks like I'll have to go out tomorrow and get a new cable ... |
| 16:12:11 | mallum | is away: playing games .... |
| 16:49:06 | thekernel | I just crashed mine again. exception 17 Prefetch Abort/Data Abort... |
| 16:49:31 | thekernel | That's what i get for pressing alot of buttons really fast |
| 16:50:43 | thekernel | I got a core dump and everything |
| 16:51:51 | dec | coredump from where? |
| 16:52:07 | dec | Ah, Inferno. |
| 16:52:08 | thekernel | the screen top died and core dumped on exception 17 |
| 16:52:21 | dec | hmm, what keys? keyboard or the phone's? |
| 16:52:41 | thekernel | Touch screen buttons at the bottom. |
| 16:52:48 | dec | thekernel, is your "new call" light blinking occasionally ? Mine is. |
| 16:52:54 | thekernel | I was selecting and unselecting alot of "features" at one time. |
| 16:53:01 | thekernel | It only does that on boot. |
| 16:53:15 | dec | havent noticed. |
| 16:53:53 | thekernel | I just did it again. Open 4 features and go around closing and reopening them really fast. This time I got "exception 18 Data Abort" |
| 16:54:21 | thekernel | Must not be a very robust OS :) |
| 16:55:36 | thekernel | It only seems to work on the second menu with calendar mem use and so on.. |
| 16:56:37 | thekernel | This time it crashed without a full halt and core dump |
| 16:56:46 | dec | could be in the memory allocation/deallocation routines. |
| 16:57:18 | thekernel | Oh well, we're here to put Linux on it anyway... |
| 16:57:38 | thekernel | Just gotta put it though some of it's paces |
| 16:57:40 | dec | the applications are nice though. |
| 16:58:06 | thekernel | That's why I havn't killed it. I want to show a friend of mine what it can look like before I kill it. |
| 16:58:38 | dec | I actually would like to buy a new version just because of the software. I think I'll copy inferno to CF |
| 16:58:55 | thekernel | That would be cool, boot inferno from CF. |
| 16:59:21 | thekernel | Is philips ever going to make another phone like this? |
| 16:59:33 | dec | shouldn't be a problem (booting) |
| 16:59:48 | dec | I just need more CF cards, one for infero, another for netbsd. |
| 17:00:01 | thekernel | cmon, just image them... |
| 17:00:17 | thekernel | I want to get an IBM microdrive |
| 17:00:27 | dec | that too, but that darn thing is expensive. |
| 17:00:41 | dec | but I would need it with my IPAQ as well. |
| 17:00:48 | thekernel | It's only 3 times the price of the device. |
| 17:00:50 | dec | hmm.. |
| 17:01:06 | dec | i'd get the 1GB model. |
| 17:01:37 | thekernel | Are there any 3V PCMCIA to IDE converters? |
| 17:01:37 | dec | well, it's great you can afford it. |
| 17:02:17 | thekernel | bah, I can't afford it. I've been putting all my money into fixing up my car. This is just another device to go with it. |
| 17:03:27 | thekernel | I spent the last of my money until payday getting this thing. |
| 17:03:47 | thekernel | But, who needs to go out and spend money when they are hacking a new linux device? |
| 17:05:04 | dec | right.. i should start working too, but i've so much everything else. |
| 17:36:33 | thekernel | Who has a working FS that fits in the 4MB flash? |
| 18:05:23 | Aelhaz | thekernel: I got one from bzflag, it's |
| 18:05:27 | Aelhaz | it's a jffs2 image |
| 18:05:41 | Aelhaz | it's a little limited |
| 18:07:31 | Aelhaz | Oh, if people are looking for cf nics, there are a bunch of kingston cf nics on ebay at around $30 -- I don't know for sure if these work with the phones, so far only the socket lp-e is known to work |
| 18:07:53 | Aelhaz | didn't I hear somewhere that russ and/or tim had a kernel w/o the "eth0 dropped interrupt" issue? |
| 18:11:45 | thekernel | The command that was posted out on wiki to get a shell was wrong. 2 numbers were swapped in the Pi string |
| 18:13:06 | Aelhaz | *nod* |
| 18:13:15 | thekernel | I fixed it |
| 18:13:29 | thekernel | Did I mention I like this wiki stuff? |
| 18:18:31 | Aelhaz | yep |
| 18:19:01 | Aelhaz | I wonder what the voltage requirements are for the iomega clik readers . . . 40 meg spinning disc, and the pcmcia kits are going cheap |
| 18:26:16 | Aelhaz | it's 5v, figures |
| 18:28:03 | thekernel | I take it the 3v problem is in the hardware design then? |
| 18:31:48 | Aelhaz | yes |
| 18:32:02 | Aelhaz | the pcmcia slots on the shannon board are an ugly hack |
| 18:32:38 | Aelhaz | 3.3v only, no power management (this means many dual voltage cards won't work), can't reset cards |
| 18:33:32 | Aelhaz | they had exactly two cards in mind when they designed it - a TDKLan LAK-021 and a SanDisk 10 meg flash card |
| 18:33:39 | Aelhaz | for those cards, it worked OK |
| 18:33:45 | Aelhaz | unfortunately the TDK card is impossible to find |
| 18:34:05 | Aelhaz | in the US at least, they were mostly sold in japan |
| 18:34:42 | thekernel | What about CF cards? |
| 18:34:54 | thekernel | CF ethernet and the likes |
| 18:46:33 | Aelhaz | should work fine t |
| 18:46:33 | Aelhaz | the one known working ethernet card is CF |
| 18:46:33 | Aelhaz | Socket LP-E |
| 18:46:33 | Aelhaz | very expensive - $130 |
| 18:46:33 | Aelhaz | we have half a dozen at lineo because previous projects specced them out |
| 18:46:34 | Aelhaz | I'm looking for cheap pcmcia 3.3v nics, I've found a few candidates |
| 18:46:48 | thekernel | How many amps does the phone take normally? |
| 18:47:53 | Aelhaz | dunno |
| 18:48:02 | Aelhaz | read the specs on the brick :) |
| 18:48:22 | Aelhaz | I'm sure it has enough amps to spare for two cards |