| 00:05:46 | jacques_gone | you guys rock!!!!!!! |
| 00:24:23 | BZFlag | jacques_gone: it is fun, that's for sure. ;-) |
| 01:15:09 | Aelhaz | <-- ericj@lineo.com |
| 01:41:25 | Aelhaz | tried both of my prism2 wireless nics in my phone, both of 'em lit up their LEDs, in both cases the kernel tried to modprobe wvlan_cs, which aint there. So, results are inconclusive. |
| 01:42:58 | Aelhaz | Linksys WPC11 and LeArtery LN101, for the record |
| 01:45:30 | BZFlag | wavelan is built in to the kernel on v0.3 (what you have) |
| 01:45:38 | BZFlag | ignore the modprobe, it worked. |
| 01:45:59 | BZFlag | what does ifconfig -a show? |
| 01:47:46 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: just lo |
| 01:47:47 | BZFlag | Power Consumption:3.3V, 350mA TX, 230mA RX, 20mA Standby <- LeArtery |
| 01:48:03 | BZFlag | looks like it is a 3.3v card alright. |
| 01:49:24 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: Hmm |
| 01:49:32 | Aelhaz | maybe I'll try that again |
| 01:49:47 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: Found a source for the Trendnet card, $50 |
| 01:50:27 | BZFlag | Input: 3.3/5V (w/ advanced power management) <- LinkSys looks to be dual voltage. |
| 01:50:32 | Aelhaz | *nod* |
| 01:50:54 | Aelhaz | I'm using the LeArtery card in my notebook right now, I'll go shove the linksys card into the phone again . . . |
| 01:52:53 | Aelhaz | "get dev info on socket 0 failed" |
| 01:54:21 | BZFlag | TE100-PC16R is ne2k? or which? |
| 01:54:44 | Aelhaz | Has a habit of rebooting when i mess with pcmcia, maybe something's loose inside my phone |
| 01:55:30 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: Dunno, for sure, Trendnet says it's NE2000 compatible, I *think it's using the ASIX chip, which ASIX says is register compatible with the ne2k |
| 01:56:59 | BZFlag | So the Socket works but nothing else? |
| 01:57:16 | Aelhaz | yeah, so far just the socket card works |
| 02:00:06 | Aelhaz | brb, I'll double-check the leartery card |
| 02:07:10 | Aelhaz | same thing |
| 02:09:46 | Aelhaz | isn't there more than one wireless lan driver in the 2.4 kernel? I only see orinoco_cs announce itself |
| 02:10:36 | jacques_gone | shuld be modular |
| 02:10:48 | jacques_gone | wlan-ng is also available |
| 02:11:13 | Aelhaz | jacquesZzZz: wlan-ng is what i use with the card on my notebook, with 2.2.19 |
| 02:11:15 | BZFlag | cat /prob/bus/pccard/drivers or some such |
| 02:11:32 | BZFlag | er /proc but you knew that. |
| 02:11:44 | jacques_gone | oops forgot what group i was in |
| 02:11:58 | jacques_gone | i dunno what drivers are available on tuxcreen atm |
| 02:12:49 | Aelhaz | ah, wavelan_cs is in there, and aero_cs and netwave_cs and ray_cs |
| 02:13:56 | Aelhaz | iirc wvlan_cs is what pulled up for these cards on my notebook, and worked, until i installed wlan_ng |
| 02:14:41 | Aelhaz | but I don't know how david hinds pcmcia-cs relates to the kernel pcmcia driver set |
| 02:30:00 | Aelhaz | Ambicom AMB8010 might be a good candidate, it's out of production, tho. |
| 02:32:47 | Aelhaz | expensive . . . comes from drawing less than 40mA, I guess |
| 02:34:57 | Aelhaz | these socket cards only draw 19mA tho, impressive |
| 02:44:33 | BZFlag | yep. |
| 02:44:59 | BZFlag | We could build hinds set and drop the kernel ones I suppose. |
| 02:45:22 | BZFlag | should be able to just build his and add them too. |
| 02:45:36 | BZFlag | probably want to make the rootfs larger... |
| 02:46:12 | BZFlag | I'd like to get the kernel-from-jffs2 blob patch then there would be 3.8M of rootfs to hack on. |
| 02:46:35 | BZFlag | and modules/compiled in would make littel difference |
| 02:55:14 | Aelhaz | yeah |
| 03:04:12 | Aelhaz | here's a thought, I actually have a SunDisk 10 meg flash card here, didn't shaggy say those were supposed to work in these things? hmm . . . |
| 03:08:07 | Aelhaz | didn't see my sundisk card at all . . . . that thing was manufactured in 1993 tho |
| 03:08:22 | Aelhaz | probably doesn't do 3.3v at all |
| 03:08:54 | BZFlag | I've got a SanDisk that is seen my the inferno hack shaggy did. I have not tried it under Linux yet. |
| 03:09:03 | BZFlag | s/my/by/ |
| 03:09:38 | Aelhaz | *nod* |
| 03:09:52 | Aelhaz | I've got a 16meg sandisk cf card at work that i haven't tried either |
| 03:12:15 | Aelhaz | oh yeah, I was going to try that sodimm . . . . |
| 03:18:59 | Aelhaz | Nope, it doesn't work. I guess that's fair, since the sodimm from the phone didn't work in the fujitsu |
| 05:28:14 | Russ | ...hey....Guru |
| 05:30:25 | Guru | heh |
| 05:40:57 | Russ | %m should be fixed |
| 05:46:03 | Guru | new image? |
| 05:46:09 | dec | good work.. |
| 05:46:13 | | Guru is the ever-immodest Tim Riker |
| 05:46:13 | dec | Guru? |
| 05:46:21 | Russ | yah, just fixed the %m |
| 05:46:23 | dec | oh, modest alright:p |
| 05:46:44 | dec | umm, hopefully today I have time to get Linux running. |
| 06:02:11 | Russ | "By the way, has anybody else noticed that there has been no traffic on this list in at least a week?" |
| 06:02:16 | Russ | addressed to: |
| 06:02:35 | Russ | "jffs-dev <jffs-dev@axis.com>, MTD for Linux <linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org>, elw_dev_list@embeddedlinuxworks.com" |
| 06:03:02 | Guru | he sent it to like 4 lists |
| 06:03:26 | Guru | sounds like a broken mail server on his end. ;-) |
| 06:21:16 | Guru | spams the local UG maillists. |
| 06:22:38 | Guru | you see my X picture? |
| 06:22:49 | Guru | http://TuxScreen.net/img/rimg0007.jpg |
| 06:22:59 | Guru | warning... it's large. ;-) |
| 06:24:13 | Guru | flashing new image... |
| 06:27:05 | Russ | I saw it |
| 06:29:25 | Russ | is that actual X, or a hack? |
| 06:36:49 | Guru | Xfbdev from ipaq. no key or mouse working, but I started a remote wmaker session for the picture. |
| 06:42:56 | Guru | hmm... s/ide_cs/ide-cs/ in /etc/pcmcia/config shows ide loading. oops, forgot to include dos partitions... building new kernel. |
| 06:45:16 | Guru | Vcc always says 5v. hmm. |
| 06:45:45 | Guru | perhaps it believes it can do 5v even though it can't so dual volt cards will all ask for 5v and die. |
| 06:54:45 | Russ | ah, thats the problem |
| 06:54:51 | Russ | (with the CF cards) |
| 06:55:13 | Russ | hmm..I don't know how to say 5V isn't doable |
| 06:56:04 | Guru | Partition check: |
| 06:56:05 | Guru | hda: |
| 06:56:05 | Guru | tuxscreen login: hda: lost interrupt |
| 06:57:23 | Guru | hmm... after a few more of those it seems to find the partition table. ;-) |
| 07:05:01 | Russ | so some interrupt problem |
| 07:05:07 | Guru | yep. |
| 07:05:13 | Russ | maybe its level instead of edge or something |
| 07:05:14 | Guru | the mount it taking forever |
| 07:05:21 | Guru | could be |
| 07:07:42 | Russ | set_GPIO_IRQ_edge( IRQ_GPIO_RDY_0 | IRQ_GPIO_RDY_1, |
| 07:07:42 | Russ | GPIO_FALLING_EDGE ); |
| 07:07:51 | Russ | are the interrupt lines active low? |
| 07:08:26 | Guru | and I would know that? ;-/ |
| 07:08:51 | Russ | does the IRQ show up in /proc/interrupts? |
| 07:09:13 | Guru | # cat /proc/interrupts |
| 07:09:13 | Guru | 11: 0 GPIO 11-27 |
| 07:09:13 | Guru | 12: 1 SA1100 |
| 07:09:13 | Guru | 16: 404 IR Keyboard |
| 07:09:14 | Guru | 17: 312 serial_sa1100 |
| 07:09:14 | Guru | 26: 45083 timer |
| 07:09:16 | Guru | 27: 0 rtc timer |
| 07:09:18 | Guru | 30: 0 rtc 1Hz |
| 07:09:20 | Guru | 31: 0 rtc Alrm |
| 07:09:22 | Guru | 37: 0 UCB1200 |
| 07:09:24 | Guru | 45: 0 PCMCIA_CD_0 |
| 07:09:25 | Guru | 46: 0 PCMCIA_CD_1 |
| 07:09:27 | Guru | 47: 0 ide0 |
| 07:09:30 | Guru | Err: 0 |
| 07:09:34 | Guru | shows, but no stats |
| 07:09:39 | Russ | ...no interrupts |
| 07:10:19 | Guru | well. my vfat fs mounted finally. And I can read the contents. |
| 07:11:16 | Russ | I would say there is something I'm not doing with the RDY interrupts that I need to |
| 07:11:40 | Russ | and they its only working because of pcmcia polling |
| 07:11:54 | Guru | seems to fit the data, yes. |
| 07:12:21 | Russ | I need to go back in and look, now that I know more |
| 07:12:31 | Russ | getting 2.4.7-rmk2-np1-tux1 ready now |
| 07:12:52 | Guru | finding a pcmcia card to test with might be a good idea too. ;-) |
| 07:13:09 | Guru | don't suppose you're headed up here anytime? |
| 07:13:23 | Guru | I go down as far as St George once in a while. |
| 07:14:08 | Russ | to utah? |
| 07:15:21 | Guru | yeah. just curious. |
| 07:15:35 | Russ | no, last time I was up there was for powell |
| 07:15:52 | Guru | we have a few http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.asp?EDC=189058 around the office. I don't know if I can find a "free" one to send you for a while though. |
| 07:16:03 | Russ | I want to do a 5V hack |
| 07:16:06 | Guru | 64M CF with pcmcia sleeve |
| 07:16:21 | Guru | that would be nice too. |
| 07:16:54 | Guru | course I love my 1g udrive, but I don't have any more of those, and mine is on another project at present. |
| 07:17:14 | Russ | I'm thinking an IDE adaptor card |
| 07:17:26 | Russ | I have some laptop HD's laying around |
| 07:17:35 | Russ | and there is space on the inside to mount it |
| 07:18:36 | Guru | could be cool. then loop the cable back inside, upgrade the memory and poof a useful stand alone linux box. ;-) |
| 07:19:52 | Russ | hopefully, we can make it usable without a drive (phone/web) |
| 07:20:42 | Guru | well lynx+mouse + phone deamon can clearly work. graphics solution is the issue. |
| 07:21:39 | Russ | looking at kdrive, old 3.3.6 version, qpe, or some GTK fb solution |
| 07:21:54 | Guru | catching inferno would be reall tough. |
| 07:22:17 | Guru | qpe is too large normally, can be shunk some though. |
| 07:22:29 | Guru | X libs will kill ya. |
| 07:22:30 | Russ | the C++ thing is a barrier |
| 07:22:40 | Russ | how big are kdrive X libs? |
| 07:24:13 | Guru | hmmm... kdrive is just the server, not sure if it needs the libs. |
| 07:24:41 | Russ | clients need the libs, right? |
| 07:25:04 | Guru | if this was just an XDMCP client, that would be enough. |
| 07:25:54 | Russ | not for me, I would want to see something standalone |
| 07:26:08 | Russ | http://www.directfb.org/gtk.xml |
| 07:31:10 | Guru | yeah, I've played with it. never built it though. |
| 07:36:59 | Guru | an launcher app + simple terminal would not use much of the X libs though and the libs could be stripped. |
| 07:59:35 | Russ | ok |
| 07:59:40 | Russ | have some fixes |
| 07:59:56 | Russ | lemme make sure 2.4.7-rmk2-np1-tux1 boots firsn |
| 08:00:00 | Russ | er, first |
| 08:00:08 | Russ | so you'll have to wait for a build.... |
| 08:03:52 | Tangent | appears |
| 08:03:52 | Tangent | Hi everyone |
| 08:03:53 | Tangent | Cool.. NFS support has been added :) |
| 08:04:10 | Russ | no pcmcia interrupts yet :( |
| 08:04:46 | Russ | some changes (hopefully fixes) are going into this release |
| 08:04:49 | Tangent | I'm sure we can add some sooner or later tho |
| 08:05:26 | Tangent | And the TX line from IrDA is always available as a reset line for pcmcia :) |
| 08:06:16 | Russ | need two reset lines |
| 08:06:35 | Russ | once I see schematics, it will be fairly straightforward |
| 08:06:51 | Tangent | Nod... having the schematics is always helpful |
| 08:07:04 | Tangent | anyhow.. gotta run now.. off to buy a large plastic box... |
| 08:07:09 | Tangent | Catch you later |
| 08:07:10 | Russ | not only will I see free control lines |
| 08:07:13 | Russ | but free gates |
| 08:29:11 | Russ | http://russ.dhs.org:81/files/tuxpatches/ |
| 08:29:15 | Russ | give it a try |
| 08:29:25 | Russ | lemme add the rmk/np stuff to save people time |
| 08:30:38 | Russ | ok |
| 08:30:47 | Russ | Guru: you still around? |
| 08:31:26 | Russ | 45: 3 PCMCIA_CD_0 |
| 08:36:01 | Guru | here. |
| 08:36:05 | Russ | ok |
| 08:36:18 | Russ | the pcmcia fixes look like they are fixes |
| 08:36:23 | Russ | I'm getting CD interrupts |
| 08:37:36 | Guru | sweet. you build my mess of modules in? |
| 08:39:36 | Russ | umm...no |
| 08:39:41 | Russ | I just released a patch |
| 08:40:26 | Russ | you can probably build a kernel faster than me anyway |
| 08:40:40 | Russ | there are modules in the jffs2 image |
| 08:40:50 | Russ | with msdos partition support this time |
| 08:41:20 | Russ | my zImage has a dvorak hack compiled in |
| 08:42:37 | Guru | cool. |
| 08:42:58 | Russ | RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) |
| 08:42:58 | Russ | Interrupt:47 Base address:0x300 |
| 08:43:49 | Guru | trying just nuking the IRQ_ from tux3 for now... |
| 08:44:03 | Guru | what card? |
| 08:44:37 | Russ | also change the 3v=1 |
| 08:45:07 | Russ | and don't nuke all the IRQ_ |
| 08:45:16 | Russ | I can give you the diff |
| 08:45:36 | Guru | I just changed the 2 lines in _init do I need more? |
| 08:46:42 | Russ | - set_GPIO_IRQ_edge( IRQ_GPIO_EJECT_0 | IRQ_GPIO_EJECT_1, |
| 08:46:42 | Russ | - GPIO_BOTH_EDGES ); |
| 08:46:42 | Russ | - set_GPIO_IRQ_edge( IRQ_GPIO_RDY_0 | IRQ_GPIO_RDY_1, |
| 08:46:42 | Russ | - GPIO_FALLING_EDGE ); |
| 08:46:42 | Russ | + set_GPIO_IRQ_edge( GPIO_EJECT_0 | GPIO_EJECT_1, GPIO_BOTH_EDGES ); |
| 08:46:42 | Russ | + set_GPIO_IRQ_edge( GPIO_RDY_0 | GPIO_RDY_1, GPIO_FALLING_EDGE ); |
| 08:46:46 | Russ | - state_array->state[0].vs_3v = 0; /* FIXME Can only apply 3.3V on Shannon. */ |
| 08:46:48 | Russ | + state_array->state[0].vs_3v = 1; /* FIXME Can only apply 3.3V on Shannon. */ |
| 08:46:50 | Russ | - state_array->state[1].vs_3v = 0; /* FIXME Can only apply 3.3V on Shannon. */ |
| 08:46:52 | Russ | + state_array->state[1].vs_3v = 1; /* FIXME Can only apply 3.3V on Shannon. */ |
| 08:46:59 | Russ | I can send you the diff as a whole if you want |
| 08:48:11 | Guru | that should do. I'm trying the _edge changes now. state in a minute. |
| 08:49:59 | Guru | sweet! 47: 81 ide0 |
| 08:50:14 | Guru | looks like that did it. |
| 08:52:03 | Russ | it can transmit packets at 3V |
| 08:52:10 | Russ | but it apears it cannot receive |
| 08:52:48 | Russ | I have the card because the dongle is slightly broken |
| 08:53:38 | Russ | much better? |
| 08:55:34 | Guru | sweet. much better. |
| 08:56:03 | Guru | I added the net config for my office here to network.opts mounted nfs and chrooted. |
| 08:56:14 | Russ | kick |
| 08:56:16 | Guru | running Xfbdev is much! faster. |
| 08:56:25 | Guru | and X clients are speedy too. |
| 08:56:48 | Russ | the hh.org stuff has an ucb1200 X driver |
| 08:56:56 | Russ | as well as one for kdrive |
| 08:58:04 | Guru | not sure which this is, it's just an ipaq one I had lying around. |
| 08:58:24 | Russ | then you might see if you can get the touch screen to work |
| 08:59:11 | Guru | sweet, xscreensaver running now. ;-) |
| 09:00:56 | Guru | this old one opens /dev/h3600_ts and /dev/ts |
| 09:01:00 | Russ | mknod ts c 11 0 |
| 09:01:41 | Guru | 254 0 is what is there now. (in my nfs image) |
| 09:02:01 | Russ | # mknod ts c 11 0 |
| 09:02:02 | Russ | # cat ts |
| 09:02:02 | Russ | Ö².|»â...a»¬. .» |
| 09:02:40 | Guru | works, but is reversed, |
| 09:02:53 | Guru | on both axis |
| 09:02:53 | Russ | ok |
| 09:03:59 | Guru | man that's wierd. ;-) |
| 09:04:39 | Guru | you going to reverse it? or should I dig for a recalibrate? |
| 09:04:58 | Russ | I will |
| 09:06:24 | Russ | do the edges seem to be the edges? |
| 09:07:01 | Russ | there should be an ioctl to flip it |
| 09:07:15 | Russ | 15 and 16 |
| 09:07:32 | Guru | hey! keyboard works too. |
| 09:08:14 | Russ | whatever uses the touchscreen probably has a reversing option |
| 09:09:15 | Russ | the driver seems to have moved the reversal to userspace |
| 09:09:23 | Guru | bottom edge give about the top. top is below the bottom |
| 09:09:39 | Russ | lemme think about that for a second... |
| 09:09:52 | Guru | left is past the right, right is past the left. |
| 09:10:08 | Russ | k, I think I grabbed some defaults |
| 09:10:13 | Russ | raw_max_x = 885; |
| 09:10:13 | Russ | raw_max_y = 885; |
| 09:10:14 | Russ | raw_min_x = 70; |
| 09:10:14 | Russ | raw_min_y = 70; |
| 09:10:14 | Russ | res_x = 640; |
| 09:10:14 | Russ | res_y = 480; |
| 09:10:42 | Russ | that can be changed with ioctl's though |
| 09:11:06 | Guru | heh, xscreensaver kicked in again. ;-) |
| 09:11:42 | Russ | one would think that reversal would be something that you could put in your hardware definition |
| 09:11:58 | Guru | show should then go up for out or down? |
| 09:12:26 | Russ | ummm....say what? |
| 09:14:24 | Guru | to adjust edges should I try raw_max_x= ?? |
| 09:14:42 | Guru | like 800 or 950? |
| 09:15:00 | Russ | can you get to the ioctl's from userspace? |
| 09:15:56 | Russ | {10, 10}, {630, 10}, {630, 470}, {10, 470}, |
| 09:16:00 | Russ | { {73, 932}, {938, 932}, {945, 77}, {71, 75}, }, |
| 09:16:01 | Russ | { {73, 76}, {938, 76}, {945, 931}, {73, 933}, }, |
| 09:16:01 | Russ | { {931, 932}, {65, 932}, {60, 77}, {930, 75}, }, |
| 09:16:01 | Russ | { {929, 77}, {65, 77}, {60, 931}, {931, 933}, }, |
| 09:16:46 | Guru | hmmm... thoughts on how? |
| 09:17:00 | Guru | I mean without writing an app. ;-) |
| 09:17:12 | Russ | dunno...maybe an x pointer option? |
| 09:17:20 | Guru | where did that dump come from? |
| 09:17:39 | Russ | archshannon.c |
| 09:19:32 | Guru | does that imply 10,10,931,933 then? |
| 09:19:44 | Guru | is not sure how to read that. |
| 09:19:59 | Russ | it looks like 4 calibration settings below |
| 09:20:22 | Russ | sw, se, ne, nw |
| 09:20:28 | Russ | er... |
| 09:20:33 | Russ | hard to tell |
| 09:21:17 | Russ | x_rev = 0; |
| 09:21:17 | Russ | y_rev = 0; |
| 09:21:24 | Russ | just hack to driver to make these 1 |
| 09:25:14 | Guru | hacked, building |
| 09:26:44 | Guru | flashing... |
| 09:32:29 | Russ | sleep |
| 09:36:24 | Guru | about 5M memory in use. keyboard works, so does ts. not quite calibrated, but very close. |
| 11:06:09 | mallum | hi bworth |
| 11:06:23 | bworth | mallum! what's up? |
| 11:06:30 | mallum | I just noticed the top ! pcmcia is working :) |
| 11:06:53 | bworth | and nfs - cool! |
| 11:07:32 | bworth | can't wait to get mine |
| 11:07:57 | mallum | Im gonna attempt an install this weekend |
| 11:09:46 | mallum | cool, wiki has been updated with info |
| 12:37:10 | mallum | hi nikos, nelson |
| 12:37:33 | nikos | Hey mallum |
| 12:52:20 | mallum | Anyone know anything more about the current state of pcmcia ? |
| 12:57:25 | nelson | last I heard, you need to have a CF Ethernet card and pcmcia <--> CF adapter. |
| 13:00:36 | mallum | has CF adapter, but no CF ethernet card |
| 13:02:42 | mallum | wonders if microdrive will work though ..... |
| 13:47:57 | orbit | just checking out these cool devices. - I want one for my kitchen! |
| 14:32:09 | orbit | Anybody here? |
| 14:32:30 | Aelhaz | just e |
| 14:32:30 | Aelhaz | me |
| 14:32:44 | orbit | Have you got one of these TuxScreens? |
| 14:33:11 | Aelhaz | Yup |
| 14:33:20 | orbit | What have you been able to do with it? |
| 14:33:21 | Aelhaz | mine was the first ever to run xwindows |
| 14:33:33 | orbit | :-) |
| 14:33:40 | Aelhaz | I haven't personally done a whole lot yet |
| 14:33:47 | mallum | Aelhaz: over nfs ? |
| 14:34:10 | orbit | Is it more suited to, say, being a diskless-type console... |
| 14:34:10 | orbit | ? |
| 14:34:26 | Aelhaz | mallum: Yeah, tim did it tho |
| 14:34:43 | Aelhaz | mallum: chrooted inside a debian-potato nfs root |
| 14:35:07 | Aelhaz | mallum: using the ipaq tiny-x server, so there was no keyboard or pointer, but it was pretty |
| 14:35:23 | mallum | Aelhaz: I thought it would have just enough space to run the ipaq's xserver, as that just speaks strait to the framebuffer |
| 14:36:08 | Aelhaz | mallum: this weekend I'm probably going to set it up to nfsroot on debian, for functionality sake |
| 14:36:57 | Aelhaz | orbit: Well, you've only got 4 megs of flash to work with, and the pcmcia slots are an ugly hack. So far the pcmcia is only verified to work with the Socket LP-E compactflash ethernet card in a pcmcia sleeve - we just happen to have half a dozen of those at lineo |
| 14:37:19 | Aelhaz | orbit: those nics cost $130 tho, so we're looking for another nic that works, but it's not easy |
| 14:37:45 | Aelhaz | has to be 3.3v, and it can't require a reset to start |
| 14:38:05 | mallum | Aelhaz: I got 2 tuxscreens this week, Im gonna attempt to install 1 tommorow |
| 14:38:49 | mallum | Aelhaz: cworth ( or somebody ) was saying that wavelan cards may work... as they would work on 3.3v s - not sure about the reset though |
| 14:38:53 | Aelhaz | mallum: Tim sure made it look easy to flash the blob onto it from inferno |
| 14:39:40 | Aelhaz | mallum: Yeah. Well, I think Tim has already verified that Lucent/Orinoco Wavelan Silver cards don't work. I tried both of my Prism2 nics, and they looked like they might work, but we didn't have the right driver available for them |
| 14:39:54 | Aelhaz | they wanted wvlan_cs, we only had wavelan_cs and orinoco_cs available |
| 14:40:59 | Aelhaz | Supposedly, my dirt cheap ($40) LeArtery SyncByAir LN101 card is 3.3v, and my not-as-cheap Linksys WPC11 is either 5v or 3.3v |
| 14:40:59 | mallum | Aelhaz: its looks easy , but its not ??? |
| 14:41:22 | Aelhaz | mallum: Well, I've never done it. I work about 20 yards from tim. |
| 14:41:22 | mallum | Aelhaz: have you tried a microdrive ? |
| 14:41:27 | Aelhaz | so he did it for me |
| 14:41:33 | mallum | ah |
| 14:41:57 | Aelhaz | mallum: Tim was saying that the ata flash card he tried didn't work. We're not sure why. microdrive would be using the same interface. |
| 14:42:06 | Aelhaz | & driver |
| 14:42:15 | Aelhaz | probably won't be long, tho |
| 14:43:39 | Aelhaz | someone around here has a microdrive, I don't remember who. |
| 14:45:01 | mallum | I have a microdrive I could try, if the stock kernel has ide_cs compiled in |
| 14:46:03 | Aelhaz | yeah, it does |
| 14:48:20 | mallum | cool, I gotta find some docs on the actual flashing of the rom once the bootloaders installed |
| 14:49:44 | Aelhaz | that's pretty easy, mostly |
| 14:51:15 | mallum | yeah, I guess it would be - there just dosn't seem to be any docs ( unless the docs for th blob are enough - havn't checked them yet ) |
| 14:51:24 | Aelhaz | yeah |
| 14:53:15 | Aelhaz | I'm going to try and do my other phone on my own, maybe. Maybe not. We have a special jig here for unlocking the flash blocks. |
| 14:53:35 | Aelhaz | designed after someone fried their phone by applying 12v to the wrong points |
| 14:54:20 | Aelhaz | You need three or four hands to unlock the flash, even then |
| 14:55:24 | mallum | I think Im gonna cover up the other points with some tape, to avoid me from frying anything |
| 14:55:54 | mallum | my gf will help me to and shes better with small fiddly things than me |
| 14:56:01 | Aelhaz | *nod* |
| 14:56:15 | Aelhaz | You could build a jig like ours - i wonder if we have photos of it online |
| 14:56:29 | mallum | yeah I saw a pciture of it |
| 14:56:38 | mallum | looked like a wierd lego brick kinda |
| 14:56:47 | Aelhaz | kinda |
| 14:57:08 | mallum | :) |
| 14:57:44 | Aelhaz | we oughta upgrade the "installinglinux" page, the link to the blob is old |
| 14:57:45 | mallum | I hoping when I attempt the install tim will be around on this channel |
| 14:57:54 | mallum | yeah |
| 14:58:17 | mallum | and maybe add some instructions to the bottom on actually flashing linux on , once the blob is there |
| 15:01:50 | mallum | is away: going home ..... |
| 16:14:53 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: You remember to bring that brick? |
| 16:15:22 | dec | hey |
| 16:16:58 | Aelhaz | oh wait, he's not *at work yet |
| 16:17:02 | Aelhaz | hey dec |
| 16:24:56 | BZFlag | sitting right here. ;-) |
| 16:29:46 | Russ | Aelhaz: the flash didn't work because PC BIOS partitioning wasn't compiled in |
| 16:30:16 | Aelhaz | Russ: Oh, well that's simple enough |
| 16:31:00 | BZFlag | fixed in Russ' latest. I've got networking and CF flash working fine here. |
| 16:31:12 | Aelhaz | *nod* |
| 19:05:22 | Russ | heh |
| 19:05:35 | Russ | "I was driving down I-5 and saw a sign that said "Los Angeles - 404", and I thought... what the hell happened to LA???" |
| 19:05:54 | nikos | :p |
| 19:06:01 | Aelhaz | heh |
| 19:10:18 | Aelhaz | my Infogear phone works with the brick from Tim's, all the configuration, data, etc, from the previous owner are intact |
| 19:10:35 | Aelhaz | never donate an answering machine to a goodwill without first erasing the messages :) |
| 19:10:50 | Aelhaz | guy neglected to pay for an "executive massage" last october . . . |
| 19:11:42 | Russ | you should put those up in mp3 |
| 19:11:58 | Russ | at the dorm, we have the "ian tapes" get passed around |
| 19:12:27 | Russ | someones dictaphone was loned to ian, and when it came back, had all sorts of odd recordings |
| 19:12:48 | Aelhaz | heh |
| 19:12:56 | Russ | "SUCK MY DICK TOMMY LEE!!! ... uhh, I didn't really mean that, I just said that to sound cool" |
| 19:14:29 | Aelhaz | there's probably some key combination hack out there to let this thing do ppp over one of the serial lines instead of the built in modem |
| 19:15:30 | Aelhaz | think i'll let the thing replace my answering machine, it looks like a handy piece of equipment, if, er, not worthy of being hacked |
| 19:19:54 | Aelhaz | with 2m of flash and 2m of ram, not much can go in there . . |
| 19:21:20 | Russ | ouch |
| 19:22:06 | Aelhaz | yeah, and the processor is a National 32000/EP series |
| 19:22:08 | Aelhaz | 10mhz |
| 19:22:57 | Aelhaz | designed for use in fax machines & printers |
| 19:23:17 | BZFlag | 10mhz? |
| 19:23:25 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: Yup |
| 19:23:46 | BZFlag | http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view//InfoGear |
| 19:23:49 | Aelhaz | Surprising how much it gets done with so little |
| 19:24:59 | BZFlag | wonders what a8v means. ;-) presumably 8v ac |
| 19:25:43 | Aelhaz | yeah |
| 19:25:47 | Aelhaz | I wonder what that's for |
| 19:47:36 | Russ | I think that one isn't worth the effort |
| 19:49:02 | Aelhaz | Russ: No, but it'll be nice to have a full duplex speakerphone with a built in caller id system and digital answering machine at home |
| 19:49:18 | Aelhaz | the internet capabilities, I'm not interested in |
| 19:49:26 | Aelhaz | I might fiddle with 'em for kicks. |
| 19:54:15 | thekernel | Do these units have a jtag interface? |
| 19:54:46 | Aelhaz | thekernel: The Tuxscreen? Yeah |
| 19:54:46 | Aelhaz | thekernel: but you don't really need it at this point |
| 19:55:45 | thekernel | I was down at lineo getting one today. The guy here at work who got one too wants to use a jtag interface for prgramming |
| 19:56:14 | Aelhaz | *shrug* ok |
| 19:56:41 | thekernel | He's just afraid of breaking his. |
| 19:56:51 | Aelhaz | well jtag gives you a way out if you screw up the flash, yeah |
| 19:57:09 | Aelhaz | I think right now tim is out of jtag dongles & cables |
| 19:57:19 | Aelhaz | you can build 'em tho |
| 19:58:19 | thekernel | What do I need to do to make one? I didn't think to ask tim myself when I was down there. |
| 19:58:22 | Aelhaz | http://www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/Main/jtag\ |
| 19:58:26 | Aelhaz | http://www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/Main/jtag rather |
| 19:59:13 | Aelhaz | thekernel: I actually have two jtag cables and probably don't need either at this point, I also have a dongle. If you really want 'em right away, I could sell you mine |
| 19:59:28 | thekernel | how much? |
| 19:59:39 | Aelhaz | Lemme figure out how much i paid for 'em . . . |
| 20:00:51 | Aelhaz | The dongle cost me $20 |
| 20:01:21 | Aelhaz | and the cables were $7.50/ea |
| 20:01:43 | Aelhaz | I'd like to keep the headers, but those parts are available at radioshack |
| 20:02:26 | Aelhaz | the cables aren't hard to build, it's just a litle weird |
| 20:02:29 | thekernel | so how much would I need to pay and how much work would I need to do to make it work? |
| 20:03:37 | Russ | it can be built for > $10 |
| 20:03:47 | Russ | you just need some AHC logic |
| 20:04:08 | Aelhaz | I'll sell my dongle and two cables for $40 |
| 20:04:50 | Aelhaz | *shrug* I'm feeling very wishywashy about selling 'em, even tho I figure I'm unlikely to need them |
| 20:05:20 | thekernel | Where are you at, and how do you want to be paid? |
| 20:06:09 | thekernel | This isn't actually for me, but it's for the guy 2 cubes away from me. |
| 20:06:33 | Aelhaz | I'm at Lineo, tho the stuff is at home. I'm not terribly picky about how I'm paid. I even take paypal . . . |
| 20:06:45 | thekernel | Jordan is up for that. |
| 20:07:13 | thekernel | It's a shame we didn't work this out earlier. I was just down there. |
| 20:07:56 | thekernel | what is the address of your paypal account? |
| 20:09:24 | Aelhaz | you'll need a 13 pin header for the board itself, that shouldn't be hard to find - radio shack cat# 910-2048 should work |
| 20:09:27 | Aelhaz | alhaz@xmission.com |
| 20:09:31 | Aelhaz | where are you at? |
| 20:12:01 | thekernel | I'm just in Salt Lake |
| 20:12:27 | Aelhaz | ah |
| 20:12:55 | Aelhaz | well, I live in orem. I can bring that stuff to work monday, tho |
| 20:13:12 | Russ | I got my parts from digi-key |
| 20:15:38 | thekernel | Did you get the HW-JTAG-PC for $95? |
| 20:15:51 | Russ | ? |
| 20:15:55 | Russ | whats that? |
| 20:16:34 | thekernel | It's the part ID from Digi-key.com for what I think is a JTAG port. |
| 20:16:49 | Russ | no |
| 20:16:53 | thekernel | Or is there another Digi-key you are talking about. |
| 20:17:10 | Russ | I got a perf board, some header, and some AHC logic in a DIL package |
| 20:17:51 | Russ | pul it all together along with an old printer cable, and and old MB<->parallel port cable |
| 20:18:40 | BZFlag | note that you don't need jtag to get linux on the tuxscreen now... (/me enters in the middle of the conversation) |
| 20:19:46 | Russ | unless you screw up |
| 20:27:18 | thekernel | Well, jordan just wants one, I don't think I'll need it |
| 20:34:08 | BZFlag | Russ: true, True. ;-) |
| 20:34:57 | BZFlag | I think Aleph1 will sell them for $20 if they have any in stock. Also Holly Gates has offered to make more. |
| 20:37:36 | thekernel | It'll be nice to get this going in my VW Bug. I'll have to rig something so I can have it attached to my dash. |
| 20:38:53 | Russ | ...like in the police cars |
| 20:39:08 | Russ | take it apart, and put it together in the dash |
| 20:39:16 | thekernel | Yeah, the most computerized thing in my '74 bug |
| 20:41:36 | thekernel | I wonder if I could use FLNX and write some GPS software and run it under microwindows |
| 20:48:45 | Aelhaz | the problem you run into in cars is that most lcd screens lack the contrast to be readable |
| 20:56:18 | thekernel | Doesn't the backlight do alright? |
| 20:58:06 | Aelhaz | never have taken one of these outside |
| 20:59:23 | mallum | hi all |
| 20:59:48 | Aelhaz | hey |
| 21:00:36 | BZFlag | I have not tried a brightness app under linux yet. |
| 21:00:50 | BZFlag | Under Inferno the bright/contrast seem to be ok. |
| 21:00:59 | mallum | subscribes .... |
| 21:01:35 | thekernel | how big is your current flash image for the Linux FS? |
| 21:01:44 | mallum | BZFlag: would it be possible if you could add some instructions to the wiki on installing Linux once the blob is installed ? |
| 21:01:44 | BZFlag | < 700k |
| 21:02:04 | Aelhaz | using blob is easy |
| 21:02:06 | thekernel | With init and libc? |
| 21:02:08 | BZFlag | mallum: feel free. ;-) anyone can. |
| 21:02:41 | mallum | BZFlag: yeah I know that :) what I meant was could you add some as I dont know how to do it ! |
| 21:02:41 | thekernel | Should my 16MB CF be enough? |
| 21:02:54 | Aelhaz | thekernel: You can fit the current stuff in the onboard flash easily |
| 21:02:57 | Aelhaz | with much room to spare |
| 21:03:43 | mallum | BZFlag, Aelhaz: when using the blob do you have to specify actual memory ( rom ) locations for the data to be flashed too ( like the ipaq install ), thats all Im concerned about |
| 21:04:26 | BZFlag | mallum: connect in minicom at 9600, type "download kernel", switch to 115200, in another window without exiting minicom do: "uuencode zImage foo > /dev/ttyS0", dots in minicom for progress. |
| 21:04:46 | BZFlag | when the UL finishes, type "flash kernel". you're done. |
| 21:05:02 | BZFlag | oops... switch back to 9600, then type "flash kernel" |
| 21:05:14 | mallum | BZFlag: what about the filesystem ? |
| 21:05:45 | BZFlag | same, download/flash "ramdisk" and send the jffs2 image. |
| 21:06:24 | mallum | BZFlag: cool thanks. Im gonna try it tommorow morning when I think you people will be asleep... |
| 21:07:15 | BZFlag | http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view/Main/InstallingLinux should get updated. |
| 21:09:27 | mallum | BZFlag: cool, also is it only ac kernels that have jffs2 support ? |
| 21:09:43 | mallum | BZFlag: or it it a seperate patch ? |
| 21:10:13 | Russ | Aelhaz: sysvinit, uclibc, bb, tinylogin, lrzsz, bunch of modules, pcmcia-cs |
| 21:10:26 | mallum | BZFlag: or is that make.jffs2 binary enough for me to start building my own filesystems ? |
| 21:10:30 | Aelhaz | Russ: eh? |
| 21:11:13 | nikos | mallum: I think you only need the utility, you only need kernel support to mount it. |
| 21:12:17 | mallum | nikos: yeah thats what I was thinking, but mainstream 2.4.7 only seems to have jffs (1) support |
| 21:12:46 | Russ | Aelhaz: you asked |
| 21:12:55 | Aelhaz | Russ: I don't recall asking |
| 21:13:20 | Aelhaz | Russ: you're thinking of thekernel |
| 21:14:43 | Russ | oh, oops |
| 21:14:52 | Russ | right |
| 21:15:10 | Aelhaz | np |
| 21:15:16 | Russ | mallum: fairly certian linus has jffs2 |
| 21:15:25 | Russ | maybe its just rmk |
| 21:15:43 | BZFlag | http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view/Main/InstallingLinux updated |
| 21:15:50 | Russ | anyway, I can start releasing a big tarball with all the source for my jffs2 root if people want it |
| 21:17:24 | mallum | BZFlag: thanks :) |
| 21:17:27 | BZFlag | jffs2 is in rmk's patches, yes. |
| 21:18:00 | Russ | BZFlag: what about a nfs piviot_root runlevel? |
| 21:18:09 | Russ | er |
| 21:18:23 | Russ | chroot |
| 21:18:37 | Russ | I'm confused now |
| 21:19:24 | Russ | can cardmgr just run and setup the cards and then stop running (without unloading modules) |
| 21:20:12 | BZFlag | Russ: rather do pivot_root in /linuxrc |
| 21:20:12 | BZFlag | Russ: can you have it wget the stock sources? then just put up a CVS tree for the scripts etc.? |
| 21:20:19 | BZFlag | Russ: hmmm... not sure. normal pcmcia shutdown would kill all cards. |
| 21:20:41 | Russ | stock sources? |
| 21:20:49 | BZFlag | can you pivot_root without killing cardmgr? |
| 21:20:54 | Russ | BZFlag: I think it has some -f option or something |
| 21:21:13 | Russ | BZFlag: yah, but you want preferably no binaries running on the old root (so you can flash it) |
| 21:21:18 | BZFlag | as in kernel+pathces, uclibc, bb, etc. instead of including them all. |
| 21:21:53 | Russ | oh, right, for the jffs2 source |
| 21:22:18 | Russ | I thiough you were talking about linuxrc wget'ing something for nfsroot |
| 21:22:25 | Russ | most of it is cvs |
| 21:24:46 | thekernel | Does anyone have a FS for flash devices that supports mmap? |
| 21:24:51 | Russ | I'm thinking of making sysvinit statically so it can run from ram, and have a special runlevel that flashes the fs |
| 21:25:05 | Russ | thekernel: ... jffs2 doesn't support mmap? |
| 21:25:21 | CosmicPenguin | No writepage... |
| 21:25:26 | thekernel | Much to CosmicPenguins dismay, it broke his cool program |
| 21:25:34 | Russ | which was? |
| 21:26:13 | BZFlag | ahh that should work, make a ramfs, copy cardmgr there, start it, mount pcmcia nfs or ide, pivot_root? hmm... ramfs is still mounted under the old root, though no? |
| 21:26:15 | thekernel | He just wanted to mmap his config file |
| 21:27:21 | Russ | BZFlag: well, thats not ideal, its best to not be running anything through your piviot |
| 21:27:30 | Russ | which I think we can do |
| 21:27:51 | BZFlag | you think we can kill/restart cardmgr without unmounting? |
| 21:28:26 | Russ | I think you can have it do a run once |
| 21:29:20 | BZFlag | When cardmgr receives a SIGTERM sig |
| 21:29:20 | BZFlag | nal, it will shut down all sockets that are not busy and |
| 21:29:20 | BZFlag | then exit, but drivers for busy sockets will stay loaded. |
| 21:30:19 | BZFlag | ahh and: |
| 21:30:22 | BZFlag | -o One pass: configure cards that are present, then |
| 21:30:22 | BZFlag | exit. This flag also forces cardmgr to run in the |
| 21:30:22 | BZFlag | foreground. |
| 21:31:20 | Russ | thought so |
| 21:33:12 | Russ | I'll to a /linuxrc.nfs |
| 21:34:06 | BZFlag | might as well have one script with settings no? |
| 21:34:28 | BZFlag | Ideally I'd like to be able to detect some keypresses on boot and do which ever. |
| 21:34:42 | BZFlag | internal/ide/nfs |
| 21:35:29 | Russ | a boot settings file is a good start |
| 21:35:46 | BZFlag | perhaps "reflash" as well that copies all of / to a ramfs and then mounts pivots there. |
| 21:36:14 | BZFlag | did you find a card that works yet? |
| 21:36:36 | BZFlag | I'm going to install Familiar on a CF tonight. |
| 21:36:59 | BZFlag | probably reiserfs ;-) |
| 21:37:13 | thekernel | Reiser on CF? |
| 21:37:29 | thekernel | That would be daring |
| 21:37:34 | BZFlag | yeah. jffs2 on blk2mtd is large. |
| 21:37:54 | BZFlag | reiser is suppose to have journal size scaling now. |
| 21:38:14 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: Found another possible pcmcia nic - just as vague as the trendware one, but a little cheaper ($40) |
| 21:38:16 | Aelhaz | http://www.archtek.com/lan-ep_btx_16.htm |
| 21:38:22 | thekernel | Yeah, but does it reduce the number of times it writes to the same block? |
| 21:38:32 | BZFlag | CF does that for ya. |
| 21:39:46 | BZFlag | Power: +3.3V / 295mA max. for RJ-45 transceiver <- eats a bit more power. ;-) |
| 21:40:46 | Aelhaz | http://www.reiserfs.org/small_blocks.html |
| 21:40:53 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: Ya, who cares :) |
| 21:42:20 | Aelhaz | the Trendware card says "300mA max" |
| 21:42:36 | Aelhaz | a lot more than the Socket cards at 19mA, admittedly . . . |
| 21:42:53 | Aelhaz | but i can buy, what, three of these for the cost of a Socket card . . . |
| 21:43:07 | BZFlag | http://www.reiserfs.org/mk.html hmm... mkreiserfs does not seem to be able to specify journal size on the command line. this is a compile option? that's not so nice. |
| 21:43:34 | BZFlag | Aelhaz: yeah, just poking fun. not an issue. |
| 21:43:44 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: figured :) |
| 21:46:48 | Russ | BZFlag: no, just switch a runlevel (sysvinit would be static), and the run a static program that cp's /tmp/image to /dev/mtdblock2, and reboots |
| 21:47:15 | Russ | so teh flash is mounted, but nothing is running off of it |
| 21:49:45 | BZFlag | Russ: if it's still mounted then GC etc can try to happen at any time. Unmounting might mess it up too. |
| 21:50:53 | BZFlag | I'd prefer a boot choice, since apps will need to get closed down anyway, but whatever. |
| 21:54:04 | Russ | what about mount -o remount,ro / |
| 21:54:08 | Russ | or is jffs2 evil |
| 21:55:10 | CosmicPenguin | Sometimes I think thats not an "or" question... :) |
| 21:55:13 | BZFlag | hmmm ro should stop GC, yes. |
| 22:05:53 | Aelhaz | http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1263696547 <-- Wish this guy could decide if the card is 16 bit or 32 bit . . |
| 22:13:38 | CosmicPenguin | I went into the sboot bootloader through Inferno Remote and messed around, and now the damn thing won't boot back up into the Inferno OS... |
| 22:14:02 | CosmicPenguin | It keeps wanting to download new software.... |
| 22:15:26 | CosmicPenguin | I hit cancel, and it reboots.... |
| 22:15:45 | Aelhaz | there are grundles of kingston CF ethernet nics on ebay with buy-it-now at like $30, might work . . |
| 22:16:27 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin actually figures out where to add a link to his wiki page. good job! |
| 22:18:17 | Aelhaz | CosmicPenguin: There's a way to fix that. I forget *how, tho |
| 22:18:21 | Aelhaz | I've seen it done |
| 22:18:36 | CosmicPenguin | That way doesn't involve the words "soldering" does it? |
| 22:18:41 | Aelhaz | the inferno stuff is right next door to useless, tho |
| 22:18:45 | Aelhaz | CosmicPenguin: No |
| 22:18:52 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: My only guess is that I got lucky.... :) |
| 22:19:05 | Aelhaz | I've convinced the inferno browser to dial into netzero |
| 22:19:18 | Aelhaz | the browser is basically incapable of surfing 99.95% if the web pages out there |
| 22:19:23 | BZFlag | Aelhaz: http://www.trendware.com/products/TE100-PC16R.htm |
| 22:19:24 | Aelhaz | the email client works, sorta, but is slow and clunky |
| 22:19:43 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: Yeah - the description and picture are for the cardbus version, that's why I'm confused |
| 22:20:19 | BZFlag | he probably copied from the wrong page. |
| 22:20:24 | Aelhaz | http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1263777822 |
| 22:20:33 | CosmicPenguin | Hitting ESC at the fading screen, and going into failsafe is not the answer... |
| 22:20:35 | Aelhaz | the kingston nic looks like a rebadged Pretec |
| 22:20:43 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: ESC then 2 on boot |
| 22:20:50 | CosmicPenguin | Ahhah! |
| 22:20:55 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: yeah, sent email, we'll see if he responds. Maybe I'll get it anyway, it's a good deal |
| 22:21:22 | CosmicPenguin | BZflag: More better. THanks.... |
| 22:21:47 | BZFlag | Aelhaz: you have that netzero "registration" page around? |
| 22:21:56 | CosmicPenguin | Hehe.... I am using too much memory to see how much memory I am using.... |
| 22:22:34 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: clicking the app bar for the current app, closes the app. |
| 22:23:26 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: I just thought that was funny. Its kind of like having to turn your car on to see if you are out of gas or not... |
| 22:23:40 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: Not on me, a friend set up an account we sort of communally abuse |
| 22:23:52 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: I can prolly get it for you tho |
| 22:25:43 | BZFlag | Aelhaz: I found it. |
| 22:26:12 | Aelhaz | k |
| 22:27:06 | CosmicPenguin | This "Draw Note" app has its benefits... |
| 22:29:23 | BZFlag | not to mention the nice blinking red light! ;-) |
| 22:30:44 | CosmicPenguin | Mmm.... I can't wait to get Linux up on this sucker.... |
| 22:31:21 | Aelhaz | well, I'm gonna call it a week and go home. |
| 22:31:41 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: It cool if i take this infogear brick home? Wanna sell it to me or something? |
| 22:31:42 | BZFlag | I'll bring 12v connectors etc to the wed sllug meeting. |
| 22:32:01 | BZFlag | Aelhaz: it's on loan to me, so till I need it back.. ;-) |
| 22:32:06 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: Ah! |
| 22:32:17 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: When do you need it back? |
| 22:32:25 | BZFlag | as the phone won't boot the brick is probably available. |
| 22:32:46 | BZFlag | you can't have my i-opener brick though, that one works. ;-) |
| 22:33:02 | Aelhaz | BZFlag: I already got a 19v brick for my IO |
| 22:33:38 | Aelhaz | Anyway, cya later |
| 22:34:19 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: I'll probably try to do the 12V thing early next week (I need to get somebody who is a better solderer than me to do it) |
| 22:34:38 | CosmicPenguin | I am very worried about bricking it though.... |
| 22:35:33 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: you saw the pic of mine, right? |
| 22:36:11 | BZFlag | http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view//FlashUnlock |
| 22:36:26 | BZFlag | I have not soldered onto any phones. |
| 22:36:41 | BZFlag | well, not the 12v anyway |
| 22:36:57 | CosmicPenguin | Did you use that thing in the picture with the little screws? |
| 22:38:37 | CosmicPenguin | Keeping in mind that there is a reason why I am a software engineer and *not* a hardware engineer |
| 22:44:28 | CosmicPenguin | Well, anyway, if I can't figure it out, I'll see you on Wed I guess. |
| 22:44:41 | BZFlag | a couple of well placed test leads should do the trick, just get the InfernoRemote working so you can type the command on another pc. |
| 22:45:41 | CosmicPenguin | I do have that working! (thanks!) |
| 22:46:01 | BZFlag | KenIsle here at Lineo made the "thing in the picture with the little screws" |
| 22:46:34 | CosmicPenguin | I think I can probably scrounge up a couple of test leads. |
| 22:47:11 | BZFlag | flip the phone over, remove the sodimm, boot as in InfernoRemote. then place the test leads carefully, and have someone else hit enter on the "P/U 0" |
| 22:47:36 | BZFlag | remove and do P/m to see, repeat till all right column is 0 |
| 22:47:53 | CosmicPenguin | That shouldn't be difficult. Then I copy over blob, and bobs my uncle, right? |
| 22:48:37 | CosmicPenguin | Anyone have the desire to try to get the hh bootloader working on this thing? |
| 22:51:51 | BZFlag | I started with the hh loader, but the "team" was not very accepting of patches and no GPLed patches. |
| 22:52:12 | BZFlag | so I switched to blob. We (the blob team) are adding all the hh useful features and more (like netboot) |
| 22:52:50 | BZFlag | coming are zmodem and tftp image uploads. |
| 22:53:59 | BZFlag | erikm is working on getting blob onto the ipaq. ;-) |
| 22:54:33 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: just be sure to get the polarity right. ;-) |
| 22:55:43 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, I will be double and triple careful on the flash unprotect. |
| 22:56:02 | Russ | we will have pretty led's soon enough |
| 22:56:10 | Russ | btw, what is a brick? |
| 22:56:20 | Russ | is that short for unbricker? |
| 22:56:58 | CosmicPenguin | What do you currently have on the JFFS image? |
| 22:57:21 | CosmicPenguin | <-- Obviously perusing the Wiki as I type |
| 23:01:48 | BZFlag | http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1263256725 |
| 23:02:34 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: uclibc, busybox, tinylogin, pcmcia-cs, init |
| 23:03:24 | BZFlag | Russ: brick, unbricker? /me didn't get the joke. |
| 23:04:29 | nikos | DC power brick |
| 23:05:06 | BZFlag | ahh, yeah. eric buys old systems, sometimes without "wall warts" |
| 23:13:34 | thekernel | Hey, I'm reading on the wiki about how to install linux. It said something about a shell and entering Pi to get to it. Is that just on the serial console? |
| 23:14:31 | Russ | its on the phone keypad |
| 23:15:33 | thekernel | I know it's on the phone keypad. Should the screen change if I did it right? |
| 23:15:41 | Russ | yah |
| 23:15:51 | Russ | you have to enter the #/* stuff too |
| 23:16:02 | Russ | a term pops up |
| 23:16:35 | thekernel | I'll have to try it again, I just got it into maintainance mode |
| 23:19:26 | thekernel | Hey, now I'm stuck at a screen that sais "There is a problem with your ..." and it is flashing in red. |
| 23:20:12 | thekernel | Restarting gives me a software download screen |
| 23:21:50 | thekernel | Hitting cancel reboots and gives me the red screen |
| 23:26:52 | thekernel | has anyone else had this? |
| 23:28:59 | Russ | is the phone offhook? |
| 23:31:35 | thekernel | no |
| 23:32:06 | thekernel | I hooked it up to a phone line and it won't do anything except go into "Software Download" |
| 23:32:27 | thekernel | and go to the red screen on boot |
| 23:33:08 | thekernel | I was going to mess with the default stuff, but I guess I'll just start it in Linux |
| 23:47:23 | Aelhaz | thekernel: Was gonna say before the ToPIC bridge in my notebook got upset with me, I hear you can fix that by holding down esc while it powers up and then pressing 2 |
| 23:47:30 | Aelhaz | but I'm not sure about that procedure |
