| 00:59:57 | Russ | so beautifull |
| 01:00:06 | Russ | Interrupt |
| 01:00:07 | Russ | data 0x94 |
| 01:00:07 | Russ | data 0x1b (continuation) |
| 01:00:07 | Russ | Interrupt |
| 01:00:07 | Russ | data 0xd4 |
| 01:00:07 | Russ | data 0x1b (continuation) |
| 01:00:09 | Russ | Interrupt |
| 01:00:12 | Russ | data 0xd4 |
| 01:00:14 | Russ | data 0x0 (continuation) |
| 01:03:14 | BZFlag | just heard from shaggy on this... |
| 01:03:30 | BZFlag | 1280 baud, odd parity, interfaced to the HSSP (Uart 2) |
| 01:03:30 | BZFlag | 0x94 key pressed prefix |
| 01:03:30 | BZFlag | 0xd4 key released prefix |
| 01:03:30 | BZFlag | followed by keycode |
| 01:03:30 | BZFlag | 0 means all keys up (in case the releases get missed) |
| 01:03:31 | BZFlag | with a little experimentation, you should be able to |
| 01:03:33 | BZFlag | figure out all the key scancodes. |
| 01:03:48 | Russ | see above |
| 01:04:07 | BZFlag | yep. I saw. but I thought I'd paste anyway. |
| 01:04:34 | BZFlag | he says 1280 baud, but sounds like 1266 is more acurate? |
| 01:04:45 | Russ | yah, its 1266 |
| 01:04:49 | BZFlag | so you have console input? |
| 01:05:04 | Russ | well, I have to interface it with console code and write the tables |
| 01:05:53 | BZFlag | sweet. |
| 01:06:31 | Russ | it looks like straight ascii |
| 01:06:36 | Russ | (0x1b is esc) |
| 01:08:13 | BZFlag | other keys? |
| 01:08:19 | Russ | no |
| 01:08:21 | BZFlag | like arrows? |
| 01:08:39 | Russ | just esc.... |
| 01:11:03 | BZFlag | well I gotta run. great news! I'm headed to NY tonight. shoudl be online from there. back tues or wed. |
| 02:50:57 | Russ | hey andersee |
| 02:51:11 | andersee | howdy |
| 02:51:18 | Russ | tim already left |
| 02:51:53 | andersee | bummer. I saw him earlier today, but I had to leave work a before he took off. |
| 02:52:20 | Russ | what did you need him for? |
| 02:52:30 | andersee | On the plus side, I got him to help me unlock the flash on my phone (since he has a premade device for it). |
| 02:52:57 | andersee | I now have Linux booting on my phone for the first time... |
| 02:53:01 | Russ | I just soldered a universal adapter to the pads |
| 02:53:12 | Russ | I am getting close on the keyboard driver |
| 02:58:25 | andersee | So the deal with the kbd is it is a totally nonstandard beastie, right? |
| 02:58:25 | andersee | hasn't spent much time on the phone yet |
| 02:58:26 | andersee | btw, I'm cutting busybox 0.53 tonight... Has several shell fixes amoung other things |
| 02:58:55 | Russ | lemme see what version of ash.c I have |
| 02:59:27 | andersee | sorry... I accidentally killed X. So if you said anything recently I missed it... |
| 03:01:03 | Russ | mostly libc compatibity stuff, and math support it looks like |
| 03:02:45 | andersee | yeah, pretty much. And some random updates here and there to tools. Nothing too major vs your last cvs pull |
| 03:03:33 | Russ | I'm probably going to release another jffs2 image tonight along with the keyboard patches, so I'll probably bring busybox, tinylogin, and uclibc all up to date |
| 03:03:51 | andersee | nice thing though... for work I'm back on uClibc full time again starting tomorrow... |
| 03:03:59 | andersee | cool. |
| 03:04:13 | andersee | Whats the status of the kbd work? |
| 03:05:03 | Russ | I'm reading scancodes, so now I'm just using usbkdb as a skeleton to make a module |
| 03:05:22 | Russ | I have to set the serial port to 1266 8O1 |
| 03:05:38 | Russ | (1266bps, 8 data bits, odd parity, one stop bit) |
| 03:06:19 | andersee | odd, but nice to be getting scancodes. Whatever works I guess. |
| 03:08:05 | andersee | BTW, I was noticing that blob seems to have some rather bass-ackwards ideas on forcing speed changes all the time... And reason not to fix that at 115200 (or some other compiletime settable speed) the whole time? It sure was awkward flashing things... |
| 03:08:23 | Russ | because 9600 is so standard |
| 03:08:45 | andersee | But if the upload is being forced at 115k anyways... |
| 03:08:48 | Russ | much easier to debug stuff if you only have to worry about one baud rate |
| 03:09:04 | Russ | andersee: 9600 would suck for uploads |
| 03:09:26 | andersee | indeed. Forst thing I did when I ported to the kernel for the Ericsson blip was force everything to default to 115k... |
| 03:09:41 | andersee | err. First thing... |
| 03:12:13 | andersee | Russ: so if everything (blob, kernel console, gettys) is set to 115k, then I never have to much about with minicom settings. As is I have to change baud rates about 6 times to get things flashed, which was pretty tedious |
| 03:12:37 | Russ | not really, alt-A, I <enter> |
| 03:12:47 | Russ | alt-A P <enter> |
| 03:13:33 | Russ | I dunno, its just never bothered me |
| 03:14:10 | andersee | I == "Cursor key mode" |
| 03:14:18 | andersee | how does that help? |
| 03:14:31 | Russ | er, sorry |
| 03:14:38 | Russ | alt-P, I <enter> |
| 03:15:43 | andersee | I guess I'm just extra extra lazy... ;) |
| 07:34:05 | Tangent | wakes up and starts to read the backlog |
| 07:55:02 | Russ | Tangent: the keyboard works with a minor bug or two |
| 07:55:21 | Tangent | Russ : Hooray :) What minor bugs? |
| 07:55:40 | Russ | its actually a feature |
| 07:55:49 | Russ | when you press alt-sysrq, you enter sysrq mode |
| 07:55:56 | Russ | any key you press is a sysrq |
| 07:56:03 | Tangent | Heh :) |
| 07:56:06 | Tangent | BRB |
| 07:56:09 | Russ | when you hit alt-sysrq again, you exit sysrq mode |
| 08:02:05 | Tangent | Back |
| 08:02:17 | Tangent | Still.. sysrq mode is very useful... :) |
| 08:13:01 | Tangent | Russ : Have you made new images with keyboard support yet? |
| 08:13:24 | Russ | I can put my zImage up for you |
| 08:13:40 | Russ | lemme make sure this latest one with the official patches and defconfig works |
| 08:13:48 | Tangent | Hmm... If the keyboard is receive only, then that must mean I've found a spare line to use for my custom hardware... the TX line :) |
| 08:14:08 | Russ | good luck soldering something to that pin |
| 08:14:48 | Tangent | Russ : I have a very good soldering iron, and a very steady hand... |
| 08:15:21 | Tangent | Russ : Oh.. btw.. I have more serial ports now... We built an IO box here.. had to set the IRQs on one card with a soldering iron, and some bits of wire :) |
| 08:16:27 | Russ | have you seen a qfp208? |
| 08:16:41 | Tangent | Nope.. what's one of them |
| 08:16:56 | Russ | the footprint of the sa1100 |
| 08:17:44 | Tangent | Nod.. quad-flat-pack |
| 08:17:44 | Tangent | Yeah.. I can solder onto that |
| 08:30:36 | Russ | there you go, have fun |
| 08:34:30 | Russ | (rz and sz ore on there too btw) |
| 08:36:37 | Tangent | Russ : URL again for the forgetful please |
| 08:36:41 | Tangent | :) |
| 08:36:59 | Russ | http://russ.dhs.org/tuxscreen.html |
| 08:37:05 | Russ | sleep |
| 08:37:32 | Tangent | Russ : Night |
| 08:57:50 | Tangent | Woohoo.. I can type on my TuxScreen :) |
| 12:34:12 | Tangent | nikos : I can type things on my Linux tuxscreen now... Russ got the keyboard working :) |
| 12:35:20 | nikos | Rock! |
| 12:35:38 | nikos | Excellent work guys! |
| 12:51:26 | mallum | Tangent: coooool ! |
| 12:51:39 | mallum | russ us the daddy |
| 12:51:54 | Tangent | mallum : He certainly is |
| 12:53:05 | mallum | oooh mine could arrive today ... |
| 12:53:15 | mallum | Tangent: X next ? |
| 12:54:21 | Tangent | mallum : Persnoally, I'm aiming for QT/Embedded for the Tuxscreen... my mate is developing a Home Automation interface for me at the moment |
| 12:54:57 | mallum | Tangent: hmmmmmmm |
| 12:55:21 | mallum | Tangent: ever seen deamon seed ? |
| 12:55:40 | Tangent | mallum : http://ipaq.secret.org.uk/piccies/IO.jpg |
| 12:55:40 | Tangent | mallum : No.. never seen that |
| 12:56:23 | Arc_Tangnet | Aha... I'm back in my new guise :) |
| 12:56:33 | mallum | Tangent: dont let your gf see it b4 you install your home automation system |
| 12:56:57 | Tangent | mallum : She's all for my home automation and solar power efforts... I was dead surprised... |
| 12:57:10 | Tangent | mallum : She thinks it's great that she can turn lights on and off remotely :) |
| 12:57:27 | Tangent | mallum : And likes the solar power stuff for being environmentally friendly |
| 12:57:50 | mallum | Tangent: Dont let her see deamon seed |
| 12:58:16 | Tangent | I think I remember the film now... |
| 12:58:32 | Tangent | Where the computer takes over a house, and manufactures it's own child by trapping the woman |
| 12:58:44 | mallum | yep |
| 12:59:21 | Tangent | Heh... and I was wondering about using a neural net for HVAC control too :) |
| 12:59:53 | mallum | that app looks nice |
| 13:00:07 | Tangent | Doesn't actually look like that anymore.... |
| 13:00:40 | mallum | Tangent: does the ramdisk work on tuxscreen now ? |
| 13:00:48 | Tangent | He's stringing up some signals so that I can tie different bits together... i.e. Take two inputs, sum them, pass through some kid of delay.. then feed to an output.. |
| 13:01:03 | Tangent | mallum : Don't know about ramdisk... jffs2 certainly works |
| 13:01:27 | Tangent | mallum : I suspect that ramdisk is fine too |
| 13:02:02 | mallum | Tangent: ok, on the tux wiki it shows lots of errors during boot |
| 13:02:04 | Tangent | mallum : Just need PPP now to start it being really useful :) |
| 13:02:26 | Tangent | mallum : The wiki is a couple of days behind Russ... |
| 13:02:40 | mallum | Tangent: cworth was saying the wavelans may work in it |
| 13:02:49 | Tangent | mallum : He sent me the link to the latest just before he went to bed... (about 5 hours ago) |
| 13:04:18 | Tangent | mallum : I suspect that the 3.3V/5V problem will not affect a lot of cards |
| 13:04:31 | Tangent | mallum : I think the lack of a reset line is much more likely to cause problems... |
| 13:04:43 | Tangent | mallum : I'm sure that some fine pitch soldering could fix that though :) |
| 13:19:30 | mallum | Tangent: reset line ? |
| 13:19:52 | Tangent | mallum : Yep.. I'm sure there's gotta be a spare gpio pin somewhere that we could tie to it |
| 13:28:26 | bworth | Hey, guys, sounds like Russ is still hammering out improvements. Way to go Russ !!! |
| 13:28:43 | bworth | Looks like I need to get my TuxScreen ordered this week |
| 13:33:06 | Tangent | bworth : Yeah.. They're good toys to have... cheap enough that you don't mind dismantling them :) |
| 13:33:27 | mallum | again realises his lack of knowledge of electronics..... |
| 13:33:29 | Tangent | bworth : They're a lot nicer in real life than they are on the website |
| 13:33:52 | Tangent | mallum : My lack of knowledge is something I've been rediscovering :) |
| 13:33:55 | mallum | Tangent: how difficult is the linux install ? |
| 13:34:04 | Tangent | mallum : Pretty simple now... |
| 13:34:30 | Tangent | mallum : http://www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/Users/InstallingLinux |
| 13:35:14 | mallum | Tangent: do you still have to apply 12v to stuff ? |
| 13:35:55 | Tangent | mallum : Yep... but you don't need to remove the screws from the Tux to do that... just remove the memory expansion cover, and you get access to the solder pads on the board |
| 13:37:42 | mallum | Tangent: what did you use for a 12v supply ? |
| 13:37:48 | Tangent | BTW.. the 'Ack' at the end of the document is because I added loads more to that page.. detailing how to load the kernel and ramdisk images from the new bootloader.... |
| 13:38:06 | Tangent | mallum : I used a 12V regulated supply... It came with my scanner |
| 13:38:34 | Tangent | mallum : You can use 9 x AA batteries if you want... |
| 13:38:52 | Tangent | mallum : It's just a signal for some onboard circuitry... we don't need to provide any current |
| 13:57:05 | bworth | Tangent: yeah, they are really nice. I saw my brother's when it still had the Inferno software on it. Not bad, but I'm excited to see what we can do with Linux. |
| 13:58:03 | Tangent | bworth : I have home automation plans for one of my TS.. the other will probably stay as a phone |
| 13:58:36 | bworth | Tangent: I like the idea of using it for a home automation server. I am building a log home, and am going to make sure I run lots of extra wires for that kind of stuff. |
| 13:59:18 | Tangent | bworth : I got some big solar panels.. I'm going to try to power lights+ventilation from them whenever I can.. switch back to the grid when the battery gets too low |
| 14:01:14 | bworth | Tangent: you should provide a web-based client interface to your automation server, and then you could control everything from your other tux as well (or from your ipaq) |
| 14:02:04 | Tangent | bworth : The whole point of using a TS is for the low power consumption.. it wil of course be network connected, so I can controll things from other machines etc... |
| 14:04:37 | bworth | Tangent: sounds cool - sitting on the couch with my ipaq, dim the lights, turn on some soft music, now if only i wasn't sitting on the couch alone... |
| 14:05:09 | Tangent | bworth : Well... there's always that risk when you mix technology and girlfriends :) |
| 14:06:36 | bworth | Tangent: in my case, it would be my wife saying "if you're going to sit there and play with that stupid computer, I'm going to bed" |
| 14:07:05 | Tangent | bworth : The great thing about an iPAQ is that it is easy to take to bed with your wife ;) |
| 14:07:22 | Tangent | bworth : Lie in bed with wife.. and dim the lights downstairs :) |
| 14:07:27 | bworth | Tangent: true :) |
| 14:10:11 | bworth | Tangent: well, it's good to see so much progress on the tux's. I'll see you later |
| 16:36:27 | dec | Eye. |
| 16:37:35 | Russ|werk | Eye? |
| 17:02:14 | dec | Aye. |
| 17:02:21 | Tangent | Why eye? |
| 17:02:24 | Tangent | ;) |
| 17:03:08 | dec | dunno. |
| 17:03:24 | dec | Nice progress on the WIKI pages. |
| 17:06:14 | dec | I guess the Lucent DSP software could be changed - the problem is that the phone is for U.S POTS only, doesnt work very well in Europe. |
| 17:06:40 | dec | or does the hardware limit it? |
| 17:06:52 | dec | wrong voltage I guess. |
| 17:07:34 | dec | The phone is continuously blinking the red led. |
| 17:07:57 | dec | Cant call outside - it seems to work as pulse even though changed to tone |
| 17:10:18 | Tangent | dec : It works here in the UK.. but caller ID doesn't |
| 17:10:31 | Tangent | The UK didn't stick to the rest of the world's standard for caller ID |
| 17:11:04 | Tangent | POTS are pretty much the same all over |
| 17:12:33 | dec | tangent, I guess. |
| 17:13:05 | Tangent | dec : If they weren't then people wouldn't sell travel kits for modems |
| 17:13:08 | dec | I'll have to test it again this time without power. |
| 17:14:42 | dec | Couldnt call outside, the phone rang though when it was called. |
| 17:15:43 | dec | It was a bit weird though, the first time it dialed correctly, but not afterwards.. |
| 17:16:16 | dec | well, i dont have a phoneline connected, so I dont need it anyway.. (even though I pay for the phone service) |
| 17:16:32 | Tangent | dec : I found that it tone dials only with the inferno software installed... without that, it only does pulse dialing |
| 17:17:11 | dec | tangent, well, its installed.. |
| 17:17:28 | dec | tanget, as it comes.. |
| 17:17:34 | Tangent | dec : All I can say is... "Worked fine for me" |
| 17:17:39 | dec | tangent, how did you solve the power problem? |
| 17:17:49 | dec | tangent, I got a transformer. |
| 17:18:02 | Tangent | dec : Me too... I have 110VAC here for devices that need it |
| 17:18:31 | Tangent | dec : I'm planning on building some dc-dc converters so I can run straight from solar panels... but I'm months away from that yet |
| 17:18:39 | dec | yeah, there was an internatiol model planned, but never produced or shipped, something like that :( |
| 17:19:20 | Tangent | Would be fine for international use if they'd just shipped a different brick with it |
| 17:19:38 | Tangent | either way.. 3.3V + 5V can't be too hard to rig up |
| 17:22:52 | dec | hmm, a scanner attached to it would make a nice fax. |
| 17:25:37 | Tangent | dec : I have plans for home-automation |
| 17:26:01 | Tangent | dec : I purchased two units.. one to stay as a phone... one for spare parts and general hardware mods |
| 17:26:45 | Tangent | dec : I currently have four external units to connect to it... I'm going to have to rig something clever to get enough I/O from the TS |
| 17:27:26 | Tangent | dec : At the moment, I'm thinking of having a PIC based board to control the other boxes... |
| 17:27:36 | dec | interesting. |
| 17:28:18 | Tangent | dec : I particularly wanted to use a TS because of it's low power consumption... My spare has never been connected to the national grid yet... hopefully, it never will be :) |
| 17:28:24 | dec | Perhaps I should get a few more as well, in case the one I have is broken |
| 17:29:24 | Tangent | dec : The way I figured it... I have no JTAG hardware... the screen itself is worth more than $99... the keyboard is nice... there's no warranty |
| 17:29:43 | Tangent | dec : I figured that having a spare was worthwhile |
| 17:34:38 | dec | the screen is not worth more than 99$ |
| 17:34:50 | dec | if you want I can get 1000 for $50 for you. |
| 17:34:56 | dec | per piece that is |
| 17:36:12 | dec | the keyboard is nice. the screen's a small disappointment, it flickers/can see the scanlines(?) |
| 17:38:07 | dec | Yes, the units are available...The unit price is $50.00 each. You'll note |
| 17:38:07 | dec | that this is over $100.00 discount from the OEM price. Call me if any |
| 17:38:08 | dec | additional details are required. Date code is 8/98. |
| 17:38:40 | dec | re: sale of 6000 units of Sharp LCDs |
| 17:39:08 | Tangent | dec : With attached touchscreen? |
| 17:39:20 | Tangent | dec : Not that it matters... I don't want 1000 LCDs anyway |
| 17:39:33 | dec | yes |
| 17:40:01 | dec | From: ...@...USA.XEROX.COM> |
| 17:44:42 | dec | guess they didnt need them:) |
| 20:42:18 | Russ|werk | hey tim |
| 20:43:19 | Russ|werk | err... |
| 20:54:20 | dec | humm |
| 20:54:30 | dec | how many units left? |
| 21:06:20 | BZFlag | dec: sold about 40 out of 1200 |
| 21:27:17 | Russ|werk | the keyboard has a few small bugs |
| 21:27:35 | Russ|werk | I should be able to clean it up though |
| 21:27:42 | nikos | Russ|werk: Excellent job. |
| 21:28:05 | Russ|werk | It would be nice if the planned 2.5 input layer cleanup would have already happened |
| 21:28:11 | Russ|werk | its very ugly |
| 21:38:34 | Russ|werk | BZFlag: whatever happened with pcmcia? |
| 21:42:11 | BZFlag | have not gotten back to it. andersee said he would look at it when he gets a chance. need to build pcmcia-cs against uclibc |
| 22:00:45 | jacques_gone | uclibc? |
| 22:31:41 | Russ|werk | jacques: I can do that and add it to the ramdisk |
| 22:31:51 | Russ|werk | er, BZFlag |
| 22:32:11 | Russ|werk | jacques: uclibc is like libc, but its "140k instead of "1M |
| 22:33:19 | Russ|werk | and it also can support MMUless systems |
| 22:38:21 | jacques | cool, you are using is solely for space saving in this case? |
| 22:48:34 | Russ|werk | correct |
| 22:48:58 | Russ|werk | so right now, kernel + bb + tinylogin + sysvinit + uclibc = 1M |
| 22:49:00 | Russ|werk | (compressed) |
| 22:49:17 | Russ|werk | leaving 3M of compressed space for apps and libraries |
| 22:49:36 | Russ|werk | the major disadvantage right now is you can't use anything c++ |
| 22:50:36 | jacques | heh, that doesn't bother me :-D |
| 23:30:49 | BZFlag | Russ: if you have the time to get to it first, rock on. There might be fork() issues though. |
| 23:35:44 | Russ|werk | ? |
| 23:36:05 | Russ|werk | the SA-1100 has an MMU, that us a good thing (TM) |
| 23:38:18 | Russ|werk | the only reason you wouldn't want an MMU is if you wanted to reduce die size (afaik) |
