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00:04:49BZFlagTangent: that image .config is as Russ sent it to me initally. I doubt it has jffs2
00:05:33BZFlagTangent: frambuffer should be easier that the bootloader work was. I have working blob routines to init the framebuffer.
00:05:42BZFlagjust a matter of time ;-)
00:06:07RussBZFlag: were you saying that you knew something about the fb?
00:06:30BZFlagRuss: the blob in ts cvs has splash screen code in it.
00:06:37BZFlagit works.
00:07:12BZFlagI think it belongs in the kernel so I never ported it over to blob.
00:08:48BZFlagnite all
05:30:55Russheh, nicos jffs2 image, 2.7M
05:31:03Russmy jffs2 image, 374k
07:19:59Russtouchscreen apears to work
07:34:11Russcan't seem to get gpm using it
18:08:46nikosis away: Errand
18:16:07Tangentchecks the scrollbuffer
18:32:13TangentBZFlag : Hi
18:32:21TangentBZFlag : You were looking for me?
18:46:56TangentIs there a TuxScreen mailing list?
18:52:50nikosis back
19:30:00BZFlagTangent: not yet. I supppose I should set one up on SF.
19:30:24TangentBZFlag : Yep.. that would be good
19:30:36TangentBZFlag : have you posted your initrd image somewhere yet?
19:30:53nikosBZFlag: I'm sure hh would be happy to host one.
19:31:17Russ|werkI have a 370k jffs2 image, but there is some issue with busybox ash and uclibc
19:31:36TangentRuss|werk : But the kernel I have doesn;t support jffs2 (I think)
19:31:54Russ|werkyah, so build one
19:33:53BZFlagTangent: the jffs2 image instructions are in http://TuxScreen.net/download/v0.1 now.
19:34:16Russ|werkBZFlag: the 370k base should be very helpfull
19:34:26Russ|werkadd tinyx to it, dillo, etc
19:34:33TangentBZFlag : Great.. thanks :)
19:34:39BZFlagRuss: you could use the other shell,
19:34:52Russ|werkcan fit a lot in 3M when you have bb, uclibc, tinylogin, in the first 370k
19:35:11Russ|werkBZFlag: I tried msh, but it didn't work with my cr scripts
19:35:11BZFlagTangent: oh, and I replaced the kernel with a zImage with jffs2 support. ;-)
19:35:27BZFlagRuss: ahh. bb patches welcome. ;-)
19:35:56BZFlagThere are issues with bb ash on uclibc for non-mmu systems, but for mmu systems like the sa we ought to be able to get it working.
19:36:05Russ|werkit doesn't
19:36:15Russ|werkwhen you do cd /<dir>
19:36:21Russ|werkit does 254: %m
19:36:25Russ|werkforever
19:36:32BZFlagouch.
19:36:36BZFlagbb version?
19:36:36Russ|werkcvs bb and cvs uclibc
19:37:03BZFlaghmmm... I'd throw something at Erik Andersen, but he's on vacation.
19:37:26Russ|werkbummer
19:37:27BZFlagperhaps a static ash then?
19:37:36Russ|werkI'll just add in bash for now
19:37:40BZFlagok.
19:37:41Russ|werkI hate compiling ash
19:38:10Russ|werkcirca 1990ish BSD pmake stuff
19:41:24TangentLinux login:
19:41:27TangentHooray :)
19:41:56Russ|werkonce we get the fb and keyboard going, we can switch over to using the serial port for PPP
19:42:07BZFlagTangent: you grabbed the new kernel and jffs2 image and are up now?
19:42:31TangentBZFlag : I already had that jffs2 image flashed.. I just flashed the new kernel, and I'm up :)
19:42:44BZFlagsweet! Thanx Russ!
19:42:50TangentBZFlag : Lots and lots of errors... but that's not a problem
19:42:52Russ|werkBZFlag: btw, flashing a ramdisk does erase everything
19:42:56Russ|werk(seems to)
19:43:26BZFlagTangent: yeah, I left kmod in on that kernel. I've turned it off now. Perhaps I should do another upload.
19:43:51BZFlagRuss: A memory dump util would be good in blob.
19:44:00Russ|werk?
19:44:12Russ|werkfor what?
19:44:17BZFlagdump 0xa0000000   for example.
19:44:32BZFlagwould show mem timings etc.
19:44:48Russ|werkyou can set memory timings with blob
19:45:00BZFlagbut not see them other that grepping the source.
19:45:25TangentOK.. so I've got linux booted... What can I do now to best help out getting things a bit more functional ?
19:45:28Russ|werkprint_word
19:45:31Russ|werkset_word?
19:45:45BZFlagthat would work.
19:46:27BZFlagTangent: what do you want to work on? Russ is hacking on everything at once. ;-)
19:46:43BZFlagpcmcia stuff is not being looked at yet.
19:47:17BZFlagbut we need a smaller initrd/rootfs first. then we can mount a CF and pivot_root
19:47:22TangentBZFlag : That's my problem.. I'm a bit crap really :)... If you can point me in some direction, then I'll have a play... I don't mind bugfixing, but I'm not too hot with coding things from scratch
19:48:24BZFlagif you can get that jffs2 image mounted someplace (loop on blkmtd perhaps) then at least update it so it mounts proc and runs the getty at 9600, that would help.
19:49:21BZFlaglook around for any other space that can be saved. an updated bb with vi and removing ae is a start.
19:49:29Russ|werkBZFlag: I think the nico jffs2 image is messed up because it wasn't created for the right block size
19:49:39BZFlagthere are probably other bins that are in bb now that can be replaced.
19:49:49Russ|werkBZFlag: my jffs2 image I'm working on has *pleny* of space
19:49:59BZFlagRuss: ahh! that must be the df issue then, no?
19:50:17BZFlagsend it to Tangent then?
19:50:21Russ|werkBZFlag: and all the dirty inodes
19:50:29Russ|werkBZFlag: it has that shell issue
19:51:16BZFlagok, fix that first then ;-)
19:51:17TangentNod... send it to me.. Please :)
19:51:34Russ|werkI'll make a jffs2 image as well as a tar
19:51:40BZFlagactually, can you send a tarball? we should be able to find a static ash that will work for now.
19:51:44TangentGood.. rz and sz work on Nico's image :)
19:52:14Russ|werkmy image will just use uuencode, uudecode
19:52:48Tangentuuencode is PITA
19:53:00Russ|werk?
19:53:11TangentPain in tha
19:53:16Russ|werknot really
19:53:30Russ|werkno more so than rz/sz
19:53:45TangentRuss : Different matter if you're using a windows box
19:54:21Russ|werkseems to me like that would be the least of your problems
19:54:25BZFlaglikes lrzsz, and agrees that uuencode is a pain.
19:54:56Russ|werkwith uuencode, you can just go to the dir in another shell, and send it, not messing with minicom
19:55:10Russ|werkI hate the minicom file selection stuff
19:55:18BZFlagwith sz mincom auto starts.
19:55:19TangentRuss|werk : If you have an operating system with a shell
19:55:37TangentRuss|werk : I use TeraTerm as my favorite comms software, and that happens to be on a Windows box
19:55:39Russ|werkTangent: you have nothing to send it anyway
19:55:44BZFlagis sorry he got involved in the uu/z debate...
19:56:16TangentRuss|werk : I've got every binary from debian unstable at my disposal.. there must be something I can send it
19:56:18BZFlagTangent: thought about installing cygwin? it's about as cool as win32 gets.
19:57:11TangentBZFlag : I have a vmware linux machine running on my main PC (+ other linux boxes elsewhere)... But it doesn't change the fact that TeraTerm is better than minicom
19:58:07TangentBZFlag : I'm well integrated into both Windoze and Linux oses in my house... but having to move the serial cable to flash things, or alternatively, having to use a non-favorite term is still PITA
19:58:10Russ|werkthere really isn't anything minicom is lacking when it comes to null modem shell
19:58:19TangentRuss : Scrollbars
19:58:34TangentRuss : lrzsz is very slow too...
19:58:35Russ|werkin fact, I'd prefer a term that is just a null modem term
19:58:44Russ|werkTangent: pgup
19:59:10Russ|werkTangent: your term should have scrollbars of its own anyway
19:59:31TangentRuss|werk : Yeah.. it does... but minicom only ever uses the bottom 25 lines
19:59:32Russ|werkhow is lrzsz slow?
19:59:41Tangent is a nutter
19:59:41Russ|werkTangent?
19:59:56Russ|werkI can resize my term to any size, and minicom will use all of it
19:59:57Sorry, nikos, I'll keep my mouth shut.
19:59:57nikosibot: shut up
20:00:01TangentRuss|werk : Flashing 12Mb of jffs2 from minicom takes around 20 mins... from TeraTerm it takes 12 mins
20:00:15:)
20:00:15nikosibot: botsnack
20:00:15TangentThis is flashing to iPAQ btw
20:00:25Russ|werkTangent: then something is set wrong
20:01:01TangentRuss|werk : Yeah.. maybe so... but I've never found the setting
20:01:04Russ|werkBZFlag: I don't know if anything else is wrong with it though
20:01:45Russ|werkTangent: debian unstable binaries won't work with my ramdisk
20:01:56Tangent:(
20:02:12Russ|werkhow would you unpack them anyway
20:02:17TangentRuss|werk : Differnt libc?
20:02:39Russ|werkyah
20:03:22BZFlagRuss: back.
20:03:27TangentRuss|werk : Thanks
20:04:14Russ|werkTangent: it won't boot for you yet I don't think because of the stuff with the shell
20:04:15Russ|werkBZFlag: make a dir, maybe call it root, and do:
20:04:26Russ|werkcp -a uclibc-root/*/* root/
20:05:34Russ|werkmkfs.jffs2 -r root/ -o image.jffs2 -e 0x20000
20:06:02TangentNod
20:06:31TangentReceived and understood :)
20:06:35BZFlagRuss: dcc died. email?
20:07:12Russ|werkresume
20:07:21Russ|werkor did it never start
20:09:28BZFlag DCC RECV connect attempt to Russ|werk failed (err=No route to host). <- facist firewall here.
20:12:12Russ|werkupleading to email server...
20:13:05Russ|werktim@rikers.org, right?
20:15:01Russ|werk50%...
20:17:41Russ|werkmail sent...
20:19:51TangentHmm.. strange.. mkfs.jffs2 is producing some very large filesystem images... I stopped it after a couple of minutes... I figured that a 500MB image wouldn't fit into the 3MB of space
20:20:17Russ|werkwhat is you -e paramater?
20:20:30Tangent128KB
20:20:34Tangent0x20000
20:20:46TangentRuss|werk : Exactly what you typed
20:20:47Russ|werk128KB
20:20:49Russ|werkor 0x20000
20:21:04Tangentmkfs.jffs2 root/ -o image.jffs2 -e 0x20000
20:21:47Russ|werkmkfs.jffs2 revision 1.9?
20:22:08TangentYep
20:22:23TangentIt's about a month old
20:22:35Tangenti.e. since downloading CVS and compiling
20:23:04Russ|werkyou (or I) missed the -r
20:23:12Russ|werkyou did
20:23:44Russ|werkprobably making a jffs2 image of your home dir...
20:23:45TangentYep.. Works with the -r
20:23:56Tangentmaking one of /usr/src/tuxscreen
20:24:06Tangentwhich would include the dest file
20:25:33TangentHow much space do we have on flash for kernel under blob?
20:26:37BZFlagif Russ gets his read from jffs2 patches in then we could go to 64k blob, 4M-64k rootfs. ;-)
20:26:48Russ|werk0xe0000 right now
20:26:58Russ|werkso, 7*128kb
20:27:20896
20:27:20BZFlagibot 7 * 128?
20:27:33Russ|werk: what?
20:27:33Russ|werkibot: 7 * 0x20000
20:27:37Russ|werkhmm....
20:27:49BZFlagheh, infobot patches welcome. ;-)
20:27:57OK, Russ|werk.
20:27:57Russ|werkibot: 7 * 0x20000 is 896 * 1024
20:28:047 * 0x20000 is 896 * 1024
20:28:04Russ|werkibot: 7 * 0x20000
20:28:10BZFlaghehehe
20:28:15917504
20:28:15Russ|werkibot: 896 * 1024
20:28:51OK, Russ|werk.
20:28:51Russ|werkibot: 1 + 1 is <reply> 3
20:28:524063232
20:28:52BZFlagibot: 917504 + 3 * 1024 * 1024
20:29:023
20:29:02Russ|werkibot: 1 + 1
20:29:06BZFlaghahaha!
20:29:162
20:29:16BZFlagibot: 1+1
20:29:22Russ|werk: I forgot 7 * 0x20000
20:29:22Russ|werkibot: forget 7 * 0x20000
20:29:34BZFlag, I didn't have anything matching '1 _ 1'
20:29:34BZFlagibot: forget 1 _ 1
20:29:38BZFlag: I forgot 1 + 1
20:29:38BZFlagibot: forget 1 + 1
20:30:10OK, BZFlag.
20:30:10BZFlagibot 1 + 1 is close to 3 for large values of 2
20:30:181 + 1 is close to 3 for large values of 2
20:30:18BZFlagibot: 1 + 1
20:30:34BZFlag: I forgot 1 + 1
20:30:34BZFlagibot: forget 1 + 1
20:30:44OK, BZFlag.
20:30:44BZFlagibot 1 + 1 is <reply> close to 3 for large values of 1
20:30:47close to 3 for large values of 1
20:30:47BZFlagibot: 1 + 1
20:35:39pi is 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062862089986280348253421170679821480865132823066470938446095505822317253594081284811174502841027019385211055596446229489549303819644288109756659334461284756482337867831652712019091456485669234603486104543266482133936072602491412737245870066063155881748815209209628292540917153643678925903600113305305488204665213841469519
20:35:39BZFlagibot: pi?
20:36:28nikosthat's more like it!
20:36:45Russ|werk: sorry...
20:36:45Russ|werkibot: pi ^ -1
20:37:10nikos: what?
20:37:10nikosibot: pi ** -1
20:37:16nikos: i'm not following you...
20:37:16nikosibot: pi * 2
20:37:19nikos: bugger all, i dunno
20:37:19nikosibot: pi * 2?
20:37:28nikosnot good with math and constants it seems
20:37:33nikosibot: 2 ^ 2
20:37:35Russ|werk: excuse me?
20:37:35Russ|werkibot: i ** -1
20:37:404
20:37:40nikosibot: 2 ** 2
20:37:52nikos: what?
20:37:52nikosibot: i
20:37:58Russ|werk: i'm not following you...
20:37:58Russ|werkibot: i * i
20:39:21Russ|werk: i'm not following you...
20:39:21Russ|werkibot: sqrt(4)
20:39:26TangentBTW.. do we know how many erase cycles the flash on the TuxScreen can take?
20:39:43Russ|werk100,000 I think
20:39:59Russ|werkif not 100,000, then its 1,000,000
20:40:24TangentRuss|werk : What makes you think that.. have you seen datasheet?
20:40:42Russ|werkyah, I designed a device with those flash chips
20:40:57TangentCool :)
20:47:18Russ|werkmakes it easier to maintain, I can check it vendor branch kernels and then merge them
20:47:41TangentNod.. I understand
20:49:49Russ|werkits also easier to make diffs that way
20:49:56cworth_Russ, BZFlag: Congratulations on recent progress. I should be installing blob on my Shannon tomorrow.
20:50:25Tangentcworth : I have it installed on mine now :)
20:50:45cworth_Tangent: congrats! A kernel as well?
20:50:59Tangentcworth : Yep.. kernel and jffs2 too
20:51:57cworth_Tangent: very nice indeed. Some files are still missing from download/v0.1, no?
20:52:01Tangentcworth : Did you see my installing doc too?
20:52:22Tangentcworth : Yep.. you need the jffs2 image from the place listed in the readme in the download dir
20:52:34cworth_Tangent: yes, thank you.
20:52:39cworth_Tangent: Ah, OK then.
20:53:09Tangentcworth : I'll add some more to the docs
20:53:16BZFlagcworth: there will be a better jffs2 out soon. that one has "issues".
20:53:21Tangentcworth : I'll cover installing kernel and jffs2 using blob
20:53:22BZFlagbut at least it works.
20:53:58TangentYep.. it works :)
20:54:06cworth_BZFlag: well, I'm a hacker. I'm not looking for polish. ;-)
20:54:37cworth_BZFlag: although it would be nice to have a tar file corresponding to the jffs2 image, (we don't have loopback mounting yet do we?).
20:55:04Russ|werkcworth_: if you make the mtd ram module you can mount it there
20:55:24cworth_Russ: ah yes, of course.
20:55:32Russ|werkBZFlag: did you play with the image I sent you yet?
20:55:36Russ|werker, the tar
20:56:47Russ|werkuh-oh
20:56:59Russ|werk24hr earthlink disconnect is coming up
21:06:01BZFlag Russ|werk: not yet
21:06:51BZFlagearthlink drops everybody at midnight or something?
21:06:55Russ|werkseems to me it should only disconnect you if they are running low on lines
21:07:07Russ|werkno, if you are connected for 24hr, they disconnect you

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