| 02:32:33 | Russ | hello? |
| 07:48:54 | BZFlag | here? |
| 07:50:02 | Tangent | Good plan |
| 07:50:24 | BZFlag | Russ and I were having like the same conversation. |
| 07:50:27 | Russ | my jtagedit app gives one bit off, but jflash gives nothing... |
| 07:50:51 | BZFlag | so there are 2 blob versions... the tuxscreen cvs version does not have the run-from-ram patches and boots up to |
| 07:50:57 | BZFlag | the prompt ok. |
| 07:51:01 | Russ | and TDO is inverted... |
| 07:51:14 | BZFlag | you can load kernels, copy and test memory etc, and everything looks more or less ok. |
| 07:51:35 | BZFlag | but then when you boot a kernel, it hangs someplace during decompression. |
| 07:51:59 | BZFlag | Russ: on your board I presume? |
| 07:52:18 | BZFlag | moberg actually saw it boot past that once. |
| 07:52:19 | Russ | on my tuxscreen |
| 07:52:31 | Russ | all my jtag stuff at work with my isa card and my board works fine |
| 07:52:41 | Tangent | Anything special required to get into the inferno bootloader? |
| 07:53:00 | BZFlag | I have not. I integrated much of the tuxscreen stuff into the mainstream blob tree now, but I have not yet gotten to the prompt. |
| 07:53:31 | Tangent | Null-modem, 9600,8N1 ? |
| 07:53:37 | BZFlag | I think erikm nuked the serial setup that used to happen early on so that will have to be put back and used to step through the boot. |
| 07:53:46 | BZFlag | 115200,8n1 |
| 07:53:58 | BZFlag | 9600 is for wimps. ;-) |
| 07:54:01 | Russ | naw |
| 07:54:08 | Russ | 9600 is much simpler |
| 07:54:24 | BZFlag | is somewhat joking.. |
| 07:54:28 | Tangent | At the moment, I get nothing... It just boots up normally... nothing at 9600 or 115200 |
| 07:54:47 | BZFlag | I hate having to switch for loader/xmodem/kernel so I run them all at 115200 |
| 07:55:05 | BZFlag | Tangent: you are still with inferno right? |
| 07:55:24 | Tangent | BZFlag : Yeah... removed contents from box.. attached serial cable.. that's it so far |
| 07:55:36 | Tangent | Well. I plugged in the power supply too :)( |
| 07:55:47 | BZFlag | Tangent: that does 9600, yes. and you have to do something like esc, ctrl-a to get to an armsd interface. |
| 07:56:15 | Tangent | And it is null modem? Not straight through? |
| 07:56:25 | BZFlag | if you dl the free inferno and follow the steps in the wiki you can get the two to talk to each other. |
| 07:56:40 | BZFlag | Tangent: yes, null modem. I'm using a laplink cable here. |
| 07:56:40 | Tangent | BZFlag : URL? |
| 07:57:01 | Tangent | BZFlag : Hmm.. my cable should be good then.. I use it for firewalls and routers all the time |
| 07:57:30 | BZFlag | http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view/main/InfernoRemote |
| 07:57:42 | Tangent | Thanks |
| 07:59:01 | BZFlag | note also http://erire.com/shannon/upgrade.html if it's up, for upgrade info. |
| 07:59:42 | BZFlag | but after an upgrade the InfernoRemote steps will not work, and I can't find anything that does armd anymore. |
| 08:00:18 | BZFlag | but then you _do_ get the 206Mhz mode shaggy talks about and the Inferno boot image instead of the philips image. |
| 08:00:18 | Tangent | expects he'll understand these funny new terms soon... armd? |
| 08:01:12 | BZFlag | armsd -> the remote protocol that the original arm debugger used. |
| 08:01:43 | BZFlag | well... better spoken, the binary on inferno that implemented the protocol. |
| 08:01:57 | BZFlag | I think the protocol actually has a name, I just don't know it. |
| 08:04:15 | Russ | oh hey |
| 08:04:26 | Russ | you took the communications cover off |
| 08:04:56 | BZFlag | yep. |
| 08:05:14 | BZFlag | this is the dead board I got back from cworth. |
| 08:05:38 | Russ | take a long time to desolder that thing |
| 08:05:55 | Russ | I tried using a knife as a mirror to see whats underneath there |
| 08:06:25 | Russ | but the chip is close to the connector, hidden by big caps |
| 08:06:36 | BZFlag | I started but have not finished yet. |
| 08:07:11 | BZFlag | I noticed the jtag connector though. ;-) |
| 08:07:31 | Russ | yah, the chip under there is a QFP ~100 |
| 08:07:34 | BZFlag | well, must sleep folks... I wonder what the camera looks like in the dark... |
| 08:07:50 | BZFlag | add what you learn to the wiki. ;-) |
| 08:07:58 | Russ | I dunno, but it makes things very dark.... |
| 08:08:08 | Russ | er...curved |
| 08:09:41 | Tangent | Night BZFlag |
| 08:12:27 | Tangent | struggles with the sboot docs |
| 08:13:10 | Russ | I'm still struggling with jtag |
| 08:13:14 | Russ | now I'm getting nothing |
| 08:13:25 | BZFlag | I'll be on in 12 hours if you need help. ;-) |
| 08:13:29 | Russ | before I was getting ~expected << 1 |
| 08:13:29 | BZFlag | nite all. |
| 08:13:37 | Tangent | Hmm.. my problem is that I can't find the armsd command |
| 08:13:57 | Russ | bah, I'm not going to mess with any of the inferno stuff |
| 08:14:26 | Tangent | I don't want to either... |
| 08:14:32 | Russ | hey, the camera does pretty good in the dark |
| 08:14:33 | Tangent | I just want to get into the bootloader... |
| 08:14:39 | Tangent | I'm just following orders.... |
| 08:14:52 | Russ | I want blob-cvs going on it |
| 08:14:57 | Tangent | Me too |
| 08:15:50 | Russ | wtf, the message light |
| 08:16:49 | Tangent | So.. what is the 'Controller Manual Reset Button' ? Does that mean the 'reset button' ? |
| 08:16:58 | Russ | probably |
| 08:17:06 | Russ | "expected 0xbeef, returned 0x7dde" |
| 08:17:29 | Russ | but then jflash says nothing |
| 08:17:35 | Russ | ACT: 1111 1111111111111111 11111111111 1 |
| 08:17:44 | Tangent | Ah.. if only I could get close to that |
| 08:18:17 | Tangent | loves this step... "3. On the PC, go th the directory the files are located in " |
| 08:18:22 | Tangent | Whic files? |
| 08:18:35 | Russ | *the* files |
| 08:18:55 | Tangent | Well... I'm in my MP3 dir, but I can't find this armsd thing ;) |
| 08:23:40 | Russ | any clue about the tuxscreen jflash utilities |
| 08:24:13 | Tangent | Russ : Short answer... no |
| 08:24:57 | Tangent | Russ : Long answer... I've got a good idea how the JTAG hardware operates, which'll come in handy when I trash my flash with this inferno stuff |
| 08:26:19 | Russ | hey, I think its working |
| 08:26:27 | Tangent | Shame that the screen on the Tuxscreen doesn't angle a little further up... I need to prop up my tuxscreen from the back to get a decent viewing angle |
| 08:26:29 | Russ | now for the 12V hack |
| 08:27:33 | Tangent | Now the 12V hack I can understand... and I'd happily perform if I though it'd get me anywhere |
| 08:28:14 | Russ | ...I connect 12V to ground? |
| 08:28:30 | Russ | oh, I need to get 12V from somewhere |
| 08:28:32 | Russ | uhh.... |
| 08:28:50 | Russ | eyes his case fan |
| 08:28:54 | Tangent | Russ : You need to get 12V from somewhere.. The flash chips need VPP of 12V to program them |
| 08:29:13 | Tangent | Russ : Make sure you connect the grounds first |
| 08:30:09 | Russ | lets see... |
| 08:30:13 | Russ | 13V, 9.2V... |
| 08:30:29 | Russ | 5.4V |
| 08:32:57 | Tangent | Well.. 13V sounds like the best be there... Tho I wonder where the 9.2 came from? |
| 08:33:20 | Tangent | Maybe I need to hook up 12V before it'll let me talk to the bootloader? |
| 08:34:18 | Russ | nope |
| 08:34:38 | Tangent | Hmm... so how do I make this damned thing talk to me then? |
| 08:35:13 | Tangent | Since I don't have a dial-up ISP account, and caller ID doesn't work for me, it's not even good as a phone :( |
| 08:35:32 | Tangent | just wants to use minicom |
| 08:36:59 | Russ | you seen how to get a console? |
| 08:37:22 | Tangent | Russ : That's what I'm trying to work out... I can't find the directory with *the* files in... |
| 08:41:51 | Russ | arghh...I have no cross compiler |
| 08:44:02 | Tangent | I have both cross and native StrongArm compilers... just nothing to compile :( |
| 08:44:33 | Russ | I have all that stuff at work, as well as a native system |
| 08:44:56 | Tangent | Russ : I work from home, so technically, so do I |
| 08:45:04 | | Russ: sorry... |
| 08:45:04 | Russ | ibot: 0x58c8+0 |
| 08:45:09 | | Russ: excuse me? |
| 08:45:09 | Russ | ibot: 0+0x58c8 |
| 08:45:12 | Russ | ibot: 0+0 |
| 08:45:25 | | 11 |
| 08:45:25 | Russ | ibot: 5 + 6 |
| 08:45:30 | Russ | ibot: 0 + 0 |
| 08:45:37 | | Russ: huh? |
| 08:45:37 | Russ | ibot: 5 / 0 |
| 08:46:41 | Russ | ok, run from ram blob is on there |
| 08:46:58 | Tangent | Russ : Woohoo... |
| 08:47:14 | Tangent | Russ : So at least in theory, it's possible to give it a kernel to load then :) |
| 08:47:24 | Russ | Consider yourself LARTed! |
| 08:47:30 | Russ | Starting kernel ... |
| 08:47:34 | Russ | seems to work to me... |
| 08:47:35 | Tangent | Now I just need to get blob onto one of these phones |
| 08:47:38 | Russ | gets a kernel |
| 08:47:44 | Tangent | Russ : Well done :) |
| 08:48:05 | Tangent | sulks |
| 08:48:21 | Russ | move up to blob then |
| 08:48:28 | Tangent | Please explain how |
| 08:49:05 | Tangent | I have a phone that I can't communicate with, and instructions that refer the *the* mystical files... but I've no idea which files I should have, or where I can get them |
| 08:49:05 | Russ | make (or order) jtag hardware |
| 08:49:11 | Russ | unlock the flash |
| 08:49:14 | Russ | flash blob |
| 08:49:19 | Tangent | Russ : 74hct541 right? |
| 08:50:01 | Russ | or AHC I think |
| 08:50:15 | Russ | the 245 works as well (as many others) |
| 08:50:25 | Tangent | Nod.. something CMOS anyhow.. I dare say that the speed rating is none too important |
| 08:50:34 | Russ | the 245 was the only one I could find in DIL on Digikey |
| 08:50:45 | Russ | its not very important |
| 08:51:05 | Tangent | Russ : I have a parallel IO board here.. I suspect that I could wire that in too... (tho' I'd have to modify the jtagger code to make it work then) |
| 08:51:10 | Russ | JTAG is *max* 20MHz on the SA-1100 side |
| 08:51:25 | Russ | any pins you can play with work |
| 08:51:38 | Russ | I have an ISA card at work that does jtag that I made |
| 08:52:09 | Tangent | Russ : Haven't tried yet... I was building it yesterday a.) So I could learn more about PIC programming, and b.) It's going to do climate control for my house eventually |
| 08:52:30 | Russ | there are 3 jtag outputs, and one input |
| 08:52:56 | Tangent | Jtag is 7 wire protocol IIRC ? |
| 08:53:29 | Russ | 3 outputs (TCLK, TDI, TMS), 1 input (TDO), Vcc, GND |
| 08:54:18 | Russ | you wire up your logic to the Vcc and GND of the SA-1100 so its all 3.3V |
| 08:54:30 | Russ | if you are already at 3.3V, you may need no logic |
| 08:54:35 | Tangent | Russ : Ack... 3.3V.. |
| 08:54:41 | Russ | (ie, SA-1100 gpios) |
| 08:54:44 | Tangent | Russ : I am of course at 5V currently |
| 08:54:57 | Tangent | And my PIC won't operate below 4.5 |
| 08:55:15 | Russ | then you need some AHC logic |
| 08:55:24 | Tangent | Nod |
| 08:55:31 | Russ | er |
| 08:55:38 | Russ | sorry, HCT |
| 08:55:55 | Tangent | or ACT :) |
| 08:56:07 | Tangent | Which I;m sure is what you meant to say the first time :) |
| 08:56:57 | Russ | probably |
| 08:57:05 | Russ | the chips I ordered say HCT |
| 08:57:15 | Russ | I have a couple extra along with a header |
| 08:57:31 | Russ | its less messy just to use a holly gates dongle though |
| 08:57:41 | Tangent | I have a pretty good supply of logic chips here... |
| 08:57:54 | Russ | I could make some gerbers of a tuxscreen specific dongle if anyone was interested |
| 08:57:59 | Tangent | I waited for a month for BZFlag to get some dongles in... but they never arrived |
| 08:58:07 | Russ | heh |
| 08:58:12 | Russ | Uncompressing Linux............... |
| 08:58:18 | Russ | and thats it |
| 08:58:18 | Tangent | He told me that I wouldn't need JTAG dongles to flash a new bootloader |
| 08:58:27 | Tangent | Russ : Still .. that's a good sign |
| 08:58:36 | Russ | you could get one from aleph1 |
| 08:58:43 | Tangent | Russ : Where's your console pointing to? |
| 08:58:51 | Russ | ? |
| 08:58:56 | Russ | ttyS0 |
| 08:59:10 | Tangent | Russ : All these people and places are in the US.. It's easier for me to break out my soldering iron.. THe schematic for Holly's one is on the net |
| 08:59:18 | Tangent | Russ : ttySA0 ? |
| 08:59:20 | Russ | it would say ........done, Booting the kernel anyway |
| 08:59:28 | Russ | 2.4.2-rmk2-np2 |
| 08:59:30 | Tangent | Nod... true |
| 09:03:25 | Russ | hmm... |
| 09:03:30 | Russ | latest blob CVS |
| 09:03:46 | Russ | Loading blob from flash |
| 09:03:46 | Russ | we'll see (tomorrow) |
| 09:04:30 | Tangent | That'd be gppd. |
| 09:05:50 | Russ | ? |
| 09:06:41 | Tangent | good |
| 09:06:48 | Tangent | small typo there |
| 11:16:48 | Tangent | Woohoo... made it into something sensible on a serial console :) |
| 11:17:51 | Tangent | http://www.eclipse.net/~shaggy/shannon.html |
| 11:17:59 | Tangent | That's kinda helpful |
| 13:01:19 | Tangent | Woohoo... .I've broken inferno :) |
| 15:28:00 | Russ | good job |
| 15:33:43 | Tangent | Yeah.. at least that makes me feel like I'm making progress |
| 15:44:38 | Russ | um.... |
| 15:45:02 | Russ | by default, blob is copying itself to 0xC1000000 |
| 15:45:18 | Russ | which would be just past the 16M boundry |
| 15:45:40 | Tangent | I'm surprised that it made it to Uncompressing kernel.... |
| 15:45:56 | Russ | well it made it to there before the run from ram patches actually |
| 15:46:28 | Tangent | finalfantasydog : Oh my god.. I though you'd ceased to exist |
| 15:46:52 | finalfantasydog | yes sorry, i had a bit of a emergencay that took me away from the interntet for a while |
| 15:46:56 | Russ | anyway, I'm off |
| 15:47:13 | Tangent | Russ : OK.. catch you later |
| 15:47:52 | Tangent | finalfantasydog : Bad emergency? |
| 15:48:02 | Tangent | finalfantasydog : Last time I saw you, you were in an airport |
| 15:50:06 | finalfantasydog | ? |
| 15:50:25 | Tangent | finalfantasydog : You logged in for about 7 mins from some airport.. |
| 15:50:38 | Tangent | finalfantasydog : I missed you at the time, but noticed in my scrollback buffer |
| 15:50:55 | finalfantasydog | most likely |
| 15:50:57 | finalfantasydog | i don't rember |
| 15:51:59 | Tangent | finalfantasydog : Do you have a Tuxscreen? |
| 15:52:17 | finalfantasydog | no |
| 15:52:21 | Tangent | finalfantasydog : My Tuxscreens arrived on Saturday |
| 15:52:28 | Tangent | finalfantasydog : I've started playing now... |
| 15:52:44 | Tangent | Very very slow progress for me so far... everyone I want to talk to keeps going to sleep |
| 15:53:29 | finalfantasydog | heh |
| 15:53:42 | finalfantasydog | odd time zone perils |
| 15:54:04 | Tangent | Hey.. I live in _the_ timezone... GMT :) |
| 15:54:32 | finalfantasydog | heh |
| 16:36:07 | Tangent | mallum : Hi... |
| 16:36:12 | Tangent | mallum : I got my tuxscreens |
| 16:36:43 | mallum | cool |
| 16:36:52 | mallum | what they like ? |
| 16:37:03 | mallum | nice ? |
| 16:38:08 | Tangent | mallum : Yeah... very nice |
| 16:38:17 | Tangent | mallum : Not got it doing anything useful yet... |
| 16:38:24 | Tangent | But it still looks very nice :) |
| 16:38:36 | mallum | I start some work tommorow ;) |
| 16:38:50 | mallum | so I can order a couple now pressure is off the fianances |
| 16:38:53 | Tangent | mallum : Oh.. cool :) What you doing? |
| 16:39:15 | mallum | working for IPC magazines till september |
| 16:39:34 | Tangent | mallum : That's pretty cool.. Will you get lots of toys to 'review' ? |
| 16:39:42 | mallum | gotta pull in some weather feeds from the met for some yaughting magazine |
| 16:40:02 | mallum | and set up a bulk mailing ( not spam ! ) for nme.com |
| 16:40:22 | mallum | not sure if ipc publish any geek mags |
| 16:40:33 | Tangent | Still sounds like interesiting work |
| 16:40:37 | Tangent | good bit of variety |
| 16:40:47 | mallum | yeah, am quite excited. people seemed nice too |
| 16:41:03 | Tangent | mallum : BTW.. including VAT and shipping, the Tuxscreens work out to about 125GBP each |
| 16:41:13 | mallum | you read my mind |
| 16:41:19 | mallum | freaky |
| 16:41:28 | Tangent | Whoops.. didn't mean to do that.. .I try to keep that secret |
| 16:41:35 | mallum | did you get fast shipping on them ? |
| 16:41:38 | Tangent | :D |
| 16:41:47 | Tangent | 4-7day shipping... $68 |
| 16:41:56 | mallum | per tux ? |
| 16:42:06 | Tangent | Per pair |
| 16:42:36 | Tangent | I had to pay £39.62 VAT |
| 16:42:38 | mallum | thans good so if I paypal 270$ to BZFlag thats enough for 2 ? |
| 16:42:44 | mallum | customs ? |
| 16:42:49 | Tangent | mallum : Yep.. to both |
| 16:43:33 | mallum | Tangent: have to get BZFlag to write GIFT on the packages to avoid that |
| 16:43:46 | mallum | thats what I used to do with ebay and ape stuff |
| 16:43:47 | Tangent | mallum : I was trying for 'For Repair' |
| 16:43:53 | Tangent | Also avoids the Tax |
| 16:43:58 | Tangent | But the package was unmarked |
| 16:44:19 | mallum | did you ask BZFlag to put that on the package ? |
| 16:44:23 | Tangent | I don't understand where the Value was Added |
| 16:44:38 | Tangent | mallum : A couple of times... but probably not on the day he got his wife to ship them |
| 16:44:39 | mallum | for repair is a good idea |
| 16:44:45 | mallum | he he |
| 16:45:01 | mallum | how are you powering them ? |
| 16:45:13 | Tangent | I got a power converter from maplin |
| 16:45:19 | Tangent | 17GPB |
| 16:45:26 | Tangent | One sec.. I'll find URL for you |
| 16:45:41 | mallum | yeah i have one of them for my vectrex |
| 16:46:47 | mallum | dont s'pose the phone works here ? |
| 16:47:07 | Tangent | Phone works.. Caller ID doesn't |
| 16:47:25 | Tangent | Tho it might with the French Inferno software update |
| 16:48:22 | mallum | cool |
| 16:48:24 | Tangent | The maplin product code is NJ99H... search on their site |
| 16:48:50 | mallum | cool, thx |
| 16:48:54 | Tangent | NP |
| 16:48:58 | mallum | pulled my ipaq to bits yeaterday |
| 16:49:02 | mallum | SCARY |
| 16:49:10 | mallum | that thing is put togeather well |
| 16:49:33 | Tangent | mallum : Yeah.. you fixed your screen connector problem then? |
| 16:49:38 | mallum | my gf dropped it the other day and screen kept flipping to a mirror image of itself |
| 16:49:50 | Tangent | I saw your mail |
| 16:49:51 | mallum | think If fixed it - cant get it to flip any more |
| 16:49:59 | mallum | ;) |
| 16:50:16 | Tangent | I believe the screen flip problem is caused by a dodgy screen connection |
| 16:50:24 | mallum | All I did was push any connectors I could find in tight |
| 16:50:29 | Tangent | Someone had one back from Compaq before with that problem.. |
| 16:50:35 | Tangent | I remember from February or so |
| 16:51:10 | mallum | Im gonna keep it in its sleeve from now on |
| 16:51:24 | Tangent | Nod.. .need to get a case |
| 16:51:53 | mallum | I gotta be careful with it. ALl the sides are scratched now too where I tried to leverage it apart :( |
| 16:52:15 | mallum | hopefully it will be ok now |
| 16:52:30 | Tangent | Yeah.. .should be |
| 16:52:40 | mallum | one sec .... brb |
| 16:59:46 | Tangent | Heh... when you're in the inferno bootloader, it uses pulse dialing instead of tone dialing |
| 17:01:43 | mallum | Tangent: PC World have v.cheap mindstorms stuff at the mo |
| 17:01:58 | mallum | I just got the camera thing for 30 quid |
| 17:02:10 | Tangent | mallum : I've already bought far too much mindstorms stuff.. I have 2xRCX and 1xScout |
| 17:02:22 | mallum | they have the mindstorms rcx for 100 |
| 17:02:28 | mallum | he he |
| 17:03:15 | Tangent | mindstorms stuff is good fun, but a little underpowered |
| 17:03:25 | Tangent | I want to plug a SA1100 into lego somehow... |
| 17:03:36 | Tangent | I'm getting very close to achieving this now tho' :) |
| 17:04:17 | mallum | nice |
| 17:04:44 | Tangent | Currently frying other fish tho' :) |
| 17:08:08 | Tangent | Wow.. there's a lot of flash partitions on this by default |
| 17:29:23 | Tangent | Hi nelson |
| 17:31:57 | nelson | Hi. |
| 17:32:31 | Tangent | nelson : I successfully broke inferno... Now there's no going back for me :) |
| 17:32:46 | nelson | Uh-oh. And do you have Linux running? |
| 17:32:57 | Tangent | No no.. just the inferno bootloader |
| 17:33:10 | Tangent | It wants to download software every time I let it fully boot now... |
| 17:33:15 | Tangent | Don't know quite how I broke that... |
| 17:33:21 | nelson | Uh-oh. |
| 17:33:27 | Tangent | BTW.. did you find the shell in the inferno stuff? |
| 17:33:36 | nelson | Yep, kinda cute. |
| 17:33:58 | Tangent | Yeah.. I thought so too :) |
| 17:34:19 | mallum_upstairs | hi |
| 17:34:33 | Tangent | mallum_upstairs : Hi again :) |
| 17:34:59 | mallum_upstairs | on mky desktop now, implementing jg's 'suggested' changes to pikpak |
| 17:35:30 | Tangent | mallum : Oh cool :) |
| 17:37:09 | mallum_upstairs | Tangent: btw I think I may be able to get it working with dpkg too, so it could be useful with intamate |
| 17:37:23 | Tangent | mallum : Now that would be nice :) |
| 17:37:42 | Tangent | mallum : You're being very productive lately... It's good to see.. Thanks :) |
| 17:37:47 | mallum_upstairs | I'll have a play later if I get a mo |
| 17:38:00 | mallum_upstairs | jg beat me up the other day |
| 17:38:30 | mallum_upstairs | wishes he could be less aggressive in his critisims |
| 17:40:18 | Tangent | Nod.. it sucks when people are harsh about one's hard work... but at least people are using it |
| 17:43:35 | mallum_upstairs | yes |
| 18:07:23 | mallum | Tangent: check chan 4 - program on hackers - has cap crunch on it |
| 18:22:09 | mallum | and wozinak |
| 18:22:24 | Tangent | fires up showshifter |
| 18:35:47 | mallum | Tangent: you watching it ? |
| 18:35:54 | Tangent | mallum : Yep |
| 18:35:59 | Tangent | Adverts suck |
| 18:37:03 | mallum | its a pretty cool show |
| 18:37:33 | Tangent | Yeah.. I found it most interesting that the first letter to the homebrew club was from the antichrist himself |
| 18:38:06 | mallum | yeah |
| 18:38:11 | mallum | adverts over now ;) |
| 18:38:32 | mallum | mitnick ! |
| 18:48:09 | Tangent | Hey... catch me if you can :) |
| 18:48:15 | Tangent | Go go mitnick |
| 18:57:48 | mallum | he he |
| 18:58:00 | mallum | was good non? |
| 19:04:38 | Tangent | Yeah.. that was very good... |
| 19:04:57 | Tangent | I liked the point of view they were presenting too |
| 19:15:19 | mallum_upstairs | yeah. I liked woz on it |
| 19:15:55 | mallum_upstairs | apparantly mitnick wasn't that good technically , but was very good at 'social engineering' |
| 19:17:16 | Tangent | Yeah... I'd heard that too |
| 19:58:12 | Russ | Tangent: at least I don't have that silly daylight savings crap |
| 20:06:10 | Tangent | Russ : I envy you.. daylight savings is just plain dumb |
| 20:06:32 | Russ | the part that really confused me (as if I'm already not clueless enough) |
| 20:06:48 | Russ | is that when I went to england, it switched on a different day than in the US |
| 20:07:13 | Russ | Tangent: you can blame the US for daylight savings |
| 20:07:51 | Tangent | Russ : Oh.. OK then... :).. Damn those stupid US guys for introducind daylight savings |
| 20:08:33 | Russ | actually, it was originally a joke ben ben franklin, but somewhere along the line, it was taken seriounly |
| 20:08:38 | Russ | er, sereously |
| 20:08:52 | Russ | arghhh |
| 20:10:37 | Russ | odd. sf.net stopped working |
| 20:13:01 | Russ | hehe |
| 20:13:07 | Russ | <Russ> kver? |
| 20:13:12 | Russ | <xrom> kde 2.1.2 |
| 20:20:42 | Tangent | The inferno bootloader is pretty cool... I like the touchscreen test function... |
| 20:21:01 | Tangent | Very good fun... you can take the phillips logo, and colour it in :) |
| 20:21:16 | Russ | never noticed |
| 20:21:19 | Russ | never will nov |
| 20:21:21 | Russ | er, now |
| 20:22:18 | Tangent | Russ : Yeah.. I understand what you mean |
| 20:22:33 | Tangent | Russ : The test is a fully functional paint proggie... |
| 20:22:45 | Tangent | Russ : You can pick colours from the pallette at the bottom of the screen |
| 20:23:03 | Tangent | one of the other bootloader things will redisplay the boot logo |
| 20:23:20 | Tangent | So you can then play with it... very good fun |
| 20:23:26 | Tangent | But I still want more |
| 20:23:43 | Tangent | It seems to be able to load images from CF |
| 20:24:13 | Tangent | Does anyone understand the Solo format for images? I didn't really understand how that worked... (Think it was called Solo) |
| 20:52:53 | Russ | starts a CVS tree for tuxscreen kernel |
| 21:34:47 | Tangent | Russ : Good stuff :) |
| 21:57:44 | Tangent | Damn.. I restored inferno |
| 22:35:36 | Russ | ah |
| 22:36:03 | Russ | the tuxscreen by default has a split memory map with two blocks of 4M each |
| 22:36:07 | Russ | Memory map: |
| 22:36:07 | Russ | 0x00400000 (4 MB) @ 0xC0000000 |
| 22:36:07 | Russ | 0x00400000 (4 MB) @ 0xC8000000 |
| 22:37:36 | Russ | and with the memory stick... |
| 22:38:01 | Russ | 0x00400000 (4 MB) @ 0xC0000000 |
| 22:38:01 | Russ | 0x00400000 (4 MB) @ 0xC8000000 |
| 22:38:01 | Russ | 0x00400000 (4 MB) @ 0xD0000000 |
| 22:38:01 | Russ | 0x00400000 (4 MB) @ 0xD8000000 |
| 23:24:24 | Russ | ah, run from ram blob runs |
| 23:24:31 | Russ | stack and kernel were coliding |
| 23:32:07 | Russ | Tangent: you bored? |