| 01:33:38 | | bartw was last seen on #tuxscreen 6 hours, 25 minutes and 12 seconds ago, saying: try jk1.net [Fri Jun 15 20:08:26 2001] |
| 01:33:38 | BZFlag | ibot: seen bartw |
| 01:34:58 | BZFlag | cworthAWAY: ping. |
| 01:35:09 | | I haven't seen 'cworth*', BZFlag |
| 01:35:09 | BZFlag | ibot: seen cworth* |
| 01:35:11 | | cworth was last seen on #familiar 5 hours, 47 minutes and 59 seconds ago, saying: later all [Fri Jun 15 20:47:12 2001] |
| 01:35:11 | BZFlag | ibot: seen cworth |
| 01:35:17 | | cworthAWAY was last seen on #handhelds.org 28 days, 5 hours, 10 minutes and 12 seconds ago, saying: really is going away now... [Fri May 18 21:25:05 2001] |
| 01:35:17 | BZFlag | ibot: seen cworthAWAY |
| 01:35:33 | BZFlag | wow, 28days. ;-) |
| 01:35:49 | | BZFlag: Provo Municipal Automatic Weather Observing / Reporting System, UT, United States; (KPVU) 40-13N 111-43W; last updated: Jun 15, 2001 10:15 PM EDT; Dew Point: 48 F (9 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.06 in. Hg (1017 hPa); Pressure tendency: 0.01 inches (0.2 hPa) lower than three hours ago; Relative Humidity: 40%; Sky conditions: clear; Temperature: 73 F (23 C); Visibility: 10 mile(s); Wind: from the NW (320 degrees) at 13 MPH (12 KT) |
| 01:35:49 | BZFlag | ibot: weather kpvu |
| 01:40:54 | | jacques_idle: San Jose, San Jose International Airport, CA, United States; (KSJC) 37-21-33N 121-55-27W 25M; last updated: Jun 15, 2001 09:53 PM EDT; Dew Point: 54.0 F (12.2 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.89 in. Hg (1012 hPa); Pressure tendency: 0.01 inches (0.2 hPa) lower than three hours ago; Relative Humidity: 51%; Sky conditions: clear; Temperature: 73.0 F (22.8 C); Visibility: 10 mile(s); Wind: from the NW (320 degrees) at 12 MPH (11 KT) |
| 01:40:54 | jacques_idle | ibot: weather ksjc |
| 01:41:32 | BZFlag | hey, you get real number temps. ;-) |
| 02:16:27 | nelson | BZFlag: hey, what's that "software download" process that you get on a cold start? |
| 02:17:52 | nelson | And did you know that the 1-800 PPP account seems to still work. |
| 02:20:44 | jacques_idle | hmm |
| 02:55:23 | BZFlag | nelson: it want's to dial an 800 number, use a ppp account that does not exist and connect to a server that does not exist to DL upgrades. |
| 02:55:47 | BZFlag | nelson: on boot use ESC, ctrl-d, 2 to revert to normal boot. |
| 03:17:19 | BZFlag | nelson: the 1-800 number answers, but I could not login with the username/password. you did? |
| 10:59:50 | cworth | good morning |
| 11:06:36 | bworth | hey all |
| 11:06:36 | cworth | bworth: good morning! |
| 11:06:49 | bworth | any luck with your tux last night? |
| 11:07:09 | cworth | bworth: Just turned on my boss's phone. It works great, (as a phone anyway... haven't gotten online yet) |
| 11:07:26 | cworth | I'll try the board swap/memory upgrade now. |
| 11:07:48 | cworth | Richard was here with me but just took off for some all-day YSA activity. |
| 11:08:19 | bworth | cworth: I got my 3635 last night, but like I thought, I can't use it till tomorrow :( |
| 11:08:41 | cworth | heh... :) |
| 11:09:22 | cworth | for Fathers' Day I'm getting a day off today, (hence lots of time to play with the tuxscreen and code for the iPAQ). :) |
| 11:09:57 | bworth | cool! |
| 11:10:37 | cworth | I'm trying to find a way in inferno to determine the amount of memory so I can verify if this 64MB SODIMM works. |
| 11:10:46 | jacques | cworth: any news on 64MB SODIMM??? :-) |
| 11:11:07 | bworth | is there good documentation for inferno? |
| 11:11:35 | cworth | I still don't know. I found a collection of manpages at vitanuova. |
| 11:12:05 | cworth | jacques: I'm about to try it in a minute or two. You don't happen to know a way I might verify the memory in inferno do you? |
| 11:12:33 | jacques | cworth: hmg. no :-\ |
| 11:12:57 | jacques | cworth: is there a code to get the bootup messages/ |
| 11:12:59 | jacques | ? |
| 11:13:39 | cworth | not sure... there's a lot of spew from the ESC CTRL-P sequence. I'll look closer at that now... |
| 11:15:12 | bworth | cworth: o.t. I was thinking, why don't you and dad split the cost for dsl with a dedicated ip and then run wireless ethernet between your houses to share the connection? |
| 11:15:58 | cworth | looks like I've got about 2 screenfuls of boot messages, (first scrolls by quickly). Mostly stuff about the flash... |
| 11:16:53 | cworth | bworth: probably should. Only wrinkle is that my employer is paying for my connection... |
| 11:17:50 | bworth | oh, so just convince them that you need a dedicated ip :) |
| 11:18:23 | cworth | oh... the initial splash screen isn't static! it says 16MB down at the bottom. Lemmee plug in the SODIMM now... |
| 11:19:12 | jacques | holds breath |
| 11:22:07 | cworth | hmmm... not good |
| 11:22:26 | cworth | doesn't seem to boot at all with the 64MB SODIMM |
| 11:22:53 | jacques | hmm |
| 11:22:58 | cworth | LCD powers up blank and it just sits there. |
| 11:23:10 | cworth | I'll try now with an empty socket. |
| 11:23:53 | cworth | well, that works... 8MB on splash screen. :-P |
| 11:24:23 | bworth | cworth to boss: Here's your tuxscreen phone back, but you might want to have it checked out. The phone and the keypad don't work. ... Mine?... It's funny you should ask, somehow it works now. |
| 11:24:51 | cworth | bworth: heh :) |
| 11:26:31 | bworth | so, these come with 8mb on board, and 8mb in a sodimm socket? |
| 11:26:51 | cworth | bworth: yes. |
| 11:27:29 | jacques | maybe the extra ram requires bootldr support |
| 11:27:39 | cworth | and all hope is not lost, it could just be that the bootloader isn't supporting it. |
| 11:28:28 | cworth | I'm looking closer at the boot sequence. When it works its like this: 1) light blinks and LCD powers up 2) LCD blink off 3) splash screen fades in. |
| 11:28:51 | cworth | With the 64MB SODIMM it seems to stop after (1). |
| 11:29:11 | bworth | does the bootldr draw the splash screen, though? |
| 11:29:49 | cworth | bworth: I would assume so. Can't be sure until we replace the booldr I guess. ;) |
| 11:30:10 | bworth | sounds like it's trying to run a POST and not completing it |
| 11:31:06 | cworth | bworth: right. The question is whether or not the bootldr is running... sure wish the bootldr did something witht the serial port. |
| 11:32:40 | bworth | sorry, i keep forgetting that with flash memory, what I normally think of as hardware functions (bios, post, etc.) is actually software, so the POST could be in the bootldr |
| 11:33:29 | cworth | bworth: right. It's nice to be in an environment where we can change almost everything. |
| 11:38:59 | bworth | cworth: inferno bootldr is closed source? I suppose that's why Tim is working on remote debug? |
| 11:40:40 | cworth | bworth: right. I know he doesn't have any source. I also see that VitaNuova sells Inferno source code, (fairly cheap too), but I don't know if the bootldr code is available in that. |
| 11:42:09 | bworth | and you can't even get into remote debug with the memory installed because you have to hit ESC ctrl-d ctrl-a at the fading screen, and you can't even get that far |
| 11:43:35 | cworth | bworth: well, I haven't actually tried that yet, but I think so... |
| 12:43:29 | vh | hey. |
| 13:27:03 | cworth | vh: hi |
| 13:38:10 | vh | hi |
| 13:55:21 | vh | getting a power transformer in a few hours.. |
| 14:07:05 | cworth | vh: cool. I finally got to play with one with a wokring phone this morning, (called someone on speakerphone -- haven't connected with an ISP quite yet) |
| 14:10:47 | vh | i dont even know if the phone works in .fi pots.. |
| 14:12:34 | vh | would be nice if it did :) |
| 14:13:17 | cworth | out to run some errands... |
| 15:05:31 | bworthAWAY | bye |
| 17:01:17 | vh | heh |
| 17:01:47 | vh | this transformer will output 500mA, and the tuxscreen's supply's input is 300mA.. should I try it, or not :) |
| 17:10:29 | cworth | BZFlag: hello. |
| 17:10:45 | BZFlag | cworth: io or 64M? ;-) |
| 17:11:06 | cworth | results on wiki |
| 17:11:18 | cworth | 64: no joy :( |
| 17:11:28 | cworth | io: definitely the problem |
| 17:12:29 | BZFlag | ok. I'll get the other io packaged up and sent to you then. |
| 17:13:21 | cworth | BZFlag: heh... Just tried to browse to tuxscreen.net on the tuxscreen but I get a "not HTTP/1.1 compliant" error message from sourceforge. ;) |
| 17:13:22 | BZFlag | heh, just got you mail about it to. ;-) |
| 17:13:53 | BZFlag | cworth: http://tuxscreen.sourceforge.net/ should work though. |
| 17:13:56 | cworth | BZFlag: OK. Just let me know what you want me to do then, (ie. do you want the dead board) |
| 17:14:48 | BZFlag | well, let's see how much the shipping is. If is not much, I'd like you to juxt put yours in the box I send and mail it back. |
| 17:15:24 | BZFlag | I will leave all soldered devices on the board |
| 17:15:33 | BZFlag | the battery leads unclip from below. |
| 17:15:45 | cworth | BZFlag: odd.. that gives me a 404 on / |
| 17:16:02 | cworth | BZFlag: sounds like a good plan. |
| 17:16:53 | BZFlag | Server at %1.sourceforge.net Port 80 <- heh. bug? |
| 17:17:29 | cworth | ah: %1, hadn't noticed that. :) |
| 17:18:00 | cworth | BZFlag: anything I could start looking at to help with the Linux port effort? Or maybe I'll code more to get ready for for Familiar 0.5 -- too many projects. ;) |
| 17:18:13 | BZFlag | you could go through anonymiser, that should work. |
| 17:19:16 | BZFlag | ok, where we are: blob can be installed over jtag with the kernel and a spach screen. |
| 17:19:37 | BZFlag | the kernel decompresses and sometimes goes part way through the boot. |
| 17:19:42 | cworth | ugh... I think I'll definitely need to turn on key click when I get to Linux. Do you lose as many keystrokes as I do with the IR keyboard? (about 2 per URL) |
| 17:19:49 | BZFlag | The slash screen is displayed by blob ok. |
| 17:20:06 | BZFlag | so I think at the moment you have to have a working jtag interface. |
| 17:20:36 | BZFlag | I'm close to having a serial based install, but blob is not ready to handle serial uploads and flashing yet. |
| 17:20:46 | cworth | BZFlag: OK, I know we have JTAG equipment at work. What do I need that is tuxscreen-specific? Can I make my own? |
| 17:21:14 | cworth | the progress so far is already quite good BTW. |
| 17:21:23 | BZFlag | cworth: no. I don't loose keystrokes at all here. |
| 17:21:34 | BZFlag | natural light, no overhead. |
| 17:21:44 | BZFlag | keyboard about a foot away from the phone. |
| 17:22:16 | BZFlag | tjag, yes. there is a header on the back of the cpu board. |
| 17:22:28 | BZFlag | well, holes for one... |
| 17:22:56 | BZFlag | solder in a header, and make up a cable. I do not have the pin labels yet, but I do have a working cable. |
| 17:23:16 | BZFlag | I'll put up the wiring on the wiki later today. k? |
| 17:23:51 | BZFlag | I find it easier to cut a hole in the back of the phones and use a 90 degree header aimed out the back. |
| 17:23:54 | cworth | hmmm... maybe I'm just not pressing the keys completely. |
| 17:24:10 | cworth | sounds good. I've got the broken phone torn apart here so I can look at the board. |
| 17:25:21 | cworth | any ideas on the 64MB SODIMM? Think it might work with blob/Linux? |
| 17:26:08 | BZFlag | well, let's get you jtag up and we'll try it. ;-) |
| 17:26:13 | cworth | BZFlag: ah... I see the header holes now. |
| 17:26:19 | BZFlag | you see what I mean about the battery leads? |
| 17:26:27 | cworth | yes, let's. :) |
| 17:26:53 | BZFlag | the red/black cables connect to clips. you can unclip the clips and leave them on the leads. |
| 17:27:17 | cworth | BZFlag: oh sure. good point. |
| 17:27:41 | BZFlag | don't feel bad, I was working on my 3rd phone before I realised that. |
| 17:27:48 | BZFlag | grins |
| 17:28:16 | cworth | I actually did try tugging them but didn't look close enought to see how to unclip 'em. |
| 17:28:49 | cworth | then I noticed that I didn't have any screws left in the processor board, so it was just as easy to switch, (I had taken the metal plate off to take a peek) |
| 17:29:05 | BZFlag | ok. well, have to do some saturday stuff. I'll be back later. k? |
| 17:29:36 | cworth | sure. I can't do much from home. I can start the JTAG work next week. |
| 17:30:08 | cworth | thanks for sending me a new IO board! |
| 17:40:22 | vh | it's ok. |
| 17:40:24 | vh | Does work. |
| 17:41:45 | vh | gotta go.. |
| 17:45:40 | cworth | vh: later. |