| 06:02:10 | CoolMoDee | hey hfb |
| 06:18:32 | hfb | Hi. |
| 06:27:30 | hfb | Nite. |
| 06:59:18 | CoolMoDee | is away: homework... |
| 18:06:29 | CoolMoDee | hey travis_143cw |
| 18:06:41 | travis_143cw | howdy |
| 18:06:43 | CoolMoDee | where has everybody been lately? |
| 18:06:50 | | Bakemono was last seen on #tuxboxproject 7 days, 23 hours, 18 minutes and 54 seconds ago, saying: k [Tue May 28 19:47:56 2002] |
| 18:06:50 | CoolMoDee | ibot seen Bakemono |
| 18:06:54 | | CoolMan was last seen on #tuxboxproject 7 days, 23 hours, 19 minutes and 2 seconds ago, saying: we need to talk [Tue May 28 19:47:52 2002] |
| 18:06:54 | CoolMoDee | ibot seen CoolMan |
| 18:07:48 | travis_143cw | i dont know where everyone has been |
| 18:08:01 | travis_143cw | it seems as if the project is just dieing from lack of community support... |
| 18:08:07 | CoolMoDee | :-( |
| 18:08:12 | travis_143cw | i know... |
| 18:08:30 | CoolMoDee | how could i help out? |
| 18:08:45 | travis_143cw | we wanted more community involvment, but that doesn't seem to work out as perfectly as everyone makes it sound... |
| 18:09:52 | travis_143cw | not to mention that people have issues with just having one console... i.e. People help us, then they want a little thing changed so they make their own project |
| 18:10:04 | CoolMoDee | yes, i was reading that |
| 18:10:12 | travis_143cw | reading that where? |
| 18:10:25 | CoolMoDee | the forums |
| 18:10:32 | travis_143cw | i gave up on the forums... |
| 18:10:41 | travis_143cw | it is just a bitch-fest |
| 18:11:13 | travis_143cw | "i want ATI", "I want NVIDIA", blah blah blah |
| 18:11:26 | CoolMoDee | yep |
| 18:11:45 | travis_143cw | I wanted this project to mold with the community... if they all agreed on something, then i would let it go that way, etc |
| 18:11:56 | travis_143cw | but people cant come to decisions |
| 18:12:01 | CoolMoDee | yes |
| 18:12:10 | CoolMoDee | then, i guess someone has to make some decisions for them |
| 18:12:25 | travis_143cw | what i should have done is sat down with a few others and wrote down a whole lot of things about what the console WILL BE, not let other people decide, that doesnt work |
| 18:12:45 | CoolMoDee | still can do that, just need to get a hold of Bake and CoolMan |
| 18:12:54 | CoolMoDee | if i had their numbers, i would call them |
| 18:13:18 | travis_143cw | Coolman is starting his own project with boys from his town i guess....? that is what i mean... |
| 18:13:38 | travis_143cw | i have no clue what is up with Bakemono, i have tried getting ahold of him for a couple weeks now |
| 18:13:52 | CoolMoDee | really? CoolMan is dropping Tuxbox for a project of his own? |
| 18:13:57 | travis_143cw | yeah |
| 18:14:05 | travis_143cw | nobody has any dedication |
| 18:14:15 | CoolMoDee | that sucks..wonder why |
| 18:14:31 | travis_143cw | the community gives all sorts of ideas, but when it comes down to helping, they just dont want to or something |
| 18:14:39 | CoolMoDee | yes |
| 18:14:51 | travis_143cw | I still want to complete this project |
| 18:14:59 | CoolMoDee | me too, i would ike to start helping |
| 18:15:04 | CoolMoDee | now that im out of school |
| 18:15:14 | CoolMoDee | i can start helping... |
| 18:15:21 | travis_143cw | awesome |
| 18:15:32 | travis_143cw | i mean, it comes down to a lot of people though... |
| 18:15:45 | CoolMoDee | yes |
| 18:15:48 | travis_143cw | I have been writing networking software quite a bit the last month for tuxbox |
| 18:16:02 | CoolMoDee | besides, i want to develop software for a living, and i want to try out programming games |
| 18:16:02 | travis_143cw | bake apparently worked on the OS, but wont give it to anybody... |
| 18:16:10 | CoolMoDee | so its a win win for me / the tuxbox |
| 18:16:18 | CoolMoDee | hmm |
| 18:16:20 | CoolMoDee | that's odd |
| 18:16:40 | travis_143cw | Coolman wrote nice UI software and such but he is just leaving to do his own thing... i think it is a lot of selfishness in a way |
| 18:17:04 | CoolMoDee | yep...i wonder why he left it to create his own thin |
| 18:17:05 | CoolMoDee | g |
| 18:17:13 | CoolMoDee | o well |
| 18:17:18 | travis_143cw | i think everybody wants "their very own console in which they developed themselves"... it doesnt work that way though |
| 18:17:22 | CoolMoDee | the only thing that can come from this is better things |
| 18:17:28 | travis_143cw | yes |
| 18:17:31 | travis_143cw | live and learn |
| 18:17:34 | CoolMoDee | yep |
| 18:17:41 | travis_143cw | i have learned a lot... |
| 18:17:50 | CoolMoDee | i have an idea |
| 18:18:02 | travis_143cw | what is that? |
| 18:18:16 | CoolMoDee | have the develops set what the console will be, as they are the ones working on it, and they have to get the hardware first |
| 18:18:26 | CoolMoDee | and are stuck with it regardless |
| 18:18:49 | CoolMoDee | developers* |
| 18:18:58 | travis_143cw | well yes and no... Sometimes hardware just doesnt work |
| 18:19:13 | travis_143cw | I really want the driver code Coolman wrote for the wingman FF rumblepad |
| 18:19:37 | CoolMoDee | ask him for it |
| 18:19:44 | CoolMoDee | did he put it on the gpl? |
| 18:19:47 | travis_143cw | If i ever talk to him |
| 18:19:56 | travis_143cw | i dont think he even licensed it yet... |
| 18:19:57 | CoolMoDee | i want it too, as i bought one |
| 18:21:19 | travis_143cw | http://opengbgames.sourceforge.net/tuxpage/downloads.html check it out |
| 18:21:29 | travis_143cw | he has discontinued on some of the stuff... |
| 18:22:45 | CoolMoDee | i have it downloaded |
| 18:22:58 | travis_143cw | me too |
| 18:23:15 | travis_143cw | i am going to back it up on a server just in case he just removes it.. |
| 18:23:25 | CoolMoDee | yes |
| 18:24:28 | travis_143cw | uploading... |
| 18:24:36 | travis_143cw | there |
| 18:24:43 | CoolMoDee | now, with the os, it just needs to be the basic system, no compilers etc... |
| 18:24:44 | CoolMoDee | right |
| 18:25:07 | CoolMoDee | just the os, and x, and a ui |
| 18:25:13 | travis_143cw | well... we want it built from scratch to only use certain hardware and stuff |
| 18:25:19 | travis_143cw | yeah, we need a lot of libs also |
| 18:25:25 | CoolMoDee | ok |
| 18:26:27 | CoolMoDee | wow |
| 18:26:37 | CoolMoDee | i didn't think my scsi disk would be this fast |
| 18:26:39 | CoolMoDee | but it is |
| 18:27:07 | travis_143cw | see, I went into this project with a dedicated partner... but on 8/12/01 he dropped the project with unspecified reasons... |
| 18:27:21 | travis_143cw | so i took on a huge load of duties myself, which was way too much |
| 18:27:24 | CoolMoDee | who was the partner? |
| 18:27:34 | travis_143cw | Sean Isley |
| 18:27:49 | | Sean_Isley was last seen on #tuxboxproject 297 days, 7 hours, 34 minutes and 9 seconds ago, saying: hello all [Sun Aug 12 11:53:40 2001] |
| 18:27:49 | travis_143cw | ibot: seen Sean_Isley? |
| 18:28:04 | CoolMoDee | whoa |
| 18:28:11 | travis_143cw | he could be dead for all i know |
| 18:28:21 | CoolMoDee | yep |
| 18:28:25 | CoolMoDee | did you know him in rl? |
| 18:28:29 | CoolMoDee | or just over irc |
| 18:28:40 | travis_143cw | i knew him for a while on the net |
| 18:28:55 | travis_143cw | plus Silverado just sorta seemed to die, cant get ahold of him either |
| 18:29:01 | | Silverado was last seen on #tuxboxproject 165 days, 5 minutes and 48 seconds ago, saying: Sorry travis, I'm here, I'm just coding some stuff, so I don't answer right away. [Sat Dec 22 18:23:13 2001] |
| 18:29:01 | travis_143cw | ibot: seen Silverado? |
| 18:29:18 | CoolMoDee | i never saw silverado |
| 18:29:24 | travis_143cw | he was smart as hell! |
| 18:29:43 | CoolMoDee | cool |
| 18:29:49 | travis_143cw | he knew more than most people in here know about, he had mad connections |
| 18:30:01 | CoolMoDee | sweet |
| 18:30:06 | CoolMoDee | too bad he kinda disappeared |
| 18:30:15 | travis_143cw | he even went under a false identity here, logged onto IRC over a proxy to protect his identity also |
| 18:30:29 | CoolMoDee | hmmm |
| 18:30:33 | CoolMoDee | prob was someone working for ms |
| 18:30:45 | travis_143cw | I know who he is... and real name and where he lives, but i shouldnt give that info out |
| 18:30:50 | CoolMoDee | o |
| 18:30:51 | travis_143cw | not for MS... but better for us |
| 18:31:07 | CoolMoDee | ID? |
| 18:31:16 | travis_143cw | nope |
| 18:31:24 | CoolMoDee | i will stop guessing now |
| 18:32:02 | CoolMoDee | gimmie just a second |
| 18:32:06 | travis_143cw | k |
| 18:32:06 | CoolMoDee | i think i need to change some settingfs |
| 18:34:46 | travis_143cw | k |
| 18:34:49 | CoolMoDee | hmmmmmmm |
| 18:34:57 | CoolMoDee | it appears to not be working |
| 18:35:32 | travis_143cw | i see this... |
| 18:35:53 | CoolMoDee | are you behind a firewall? |
| 18:35:57 | travis_143cw | yes |
| 18:36:04 | CoolMoDee | that might be why |
| 18:36:54 | travis_143cw | yeah |
| 18:36:56 | travis_143cw | i am at work |
| 18:37:02 | travis_143cw | i dont have ANYTHING to do |
| 18:37:16 | CoolMoDee | then go home |
| 18:37:17 | travis_143cw | my boss told me to go online and chat for a few days =P |
| 18:37:18 | CoolMoDee | lol |
| 18:37:23 | CoolMoDee | sweet |
| 18:37:27 | travis_143cw | boring! |
| 18:37:29 | travis_143cw | lol |
| 18:37:32 | CoolMoDee | what you should do |
| 18:37:35 | CoolMoDee | is |
| 18:37:40 | CoolMoDee | bring in your comp and play some games |
| 18:37:41 | CoolMoDee | :_D |
| 18:37:52 | travis_143cw | i actually might bring my laptop in tomorrow |
| 18:38:05 | travis_143cw | plug it in and play Q2 all day |
| 18:38:08 | travis_143cw | =P |
| 18:38:12 | CoolMoDee | :-D |
| 18:38:35 | CoolMoDee | i wish my laptop supported gl |
| 18:38:43 | CoolMoDee | it has an ati rage mobility in it |
| 18:38:47 | travis_143cw | I am a computer programmer who has the easiest job in the world |
| 18:38:49 | CoolMoDee | its good for codeing |
| 18:38:51 | CoolMoDee | and that's about it |
| 18:38:55 | travis_143cw | i have a mobility m3 in mine |
| 18:38:59 | CoolMoDee | and watching dvds |
| 18:39:01 | travis_143cw | GL works on mine |
| 18:39:10 | CoolMoDee | m3? |
| 18:39:13 | CoolMoDee | mach3 |
| 18:39:29 | travis_143cw | mobility m3 |
| 18:39:31 | travis_143cw | no mach |
| 18:39:33 | CoolMoDee | o |
| 18:39:36 | CoolMoDee | ati? |
| 18:39:39 | travis_143cw | 32mb card, yes ati |
| 18:39:47 | CoolMoDee | mine is 8mb |
| 18:39:54 | travis_143cw | good enough for most stuff |
| 18:39:56 | CoolMoDee | yep |
| 18:40:01 | CoolMoDee | good enough for why i bought it |
| 18:40:02 | CoolMoDee | :-D |
| 18:40:06 | travis_143cw | i still have a 4mb in my most used desktop... |
| 18:40:17 | CoolMoDee | err..wanted a laptop, and had my parents buy one for me |
| 18:40:18 | travis_143cw | i dont play many games anymore... i ussually am coding |
| 18:40:28 | CoolMoDee | i play too many games |
| 18:40:40 | travis_143cw | my parents bought me mine for graduating high school last year |
| 18:40:45 | CoolMoDee | or i just don't feel like coding, because i have nothing to code that sounds like fun to code |
| 18:40:54 | CoolMoDee | my parents bought mine..for unkown reason... |
| 18:41:02 | travis_143cw | i do play quite a bit of dreamcast though |
| 18:41:07 | travis_143cw | just not gaming on the computer |
| 18:41:15 | travis_143cw | except quake2 |
| 18:41:17 | CoolMoDee | i only game on my comp and on my NES |
| 18:41:20 | CoolMoDee | yes my NES |
| 18:41:27 | CoolMoDee | the origianl from 1985 |
| 18:41:29 | travis_143cw | i still play my nes |
| 18:41:38 | travis_143cw | contra has to be the best game ever made |
| 18:41:53 | travis_143cw | how old are you? |
| 18:41:56 | CoolMoDee | 16 |
| 18:41:59 | travis_143cw | cool |
| 18:42:07 | travis_143cw | i am 19, 20 next month |
| 18:42:11 | CoolMoDee | sweet |
| 18:42:13 | CoolMoDee | im 17 in sept |
| 18:42:26 | travis_143cw | but i have quite a bit of experience.. i have been a developer at this company for 3 years now |
| 18:42:33 | CoolMoDee | whoa |
| 18:42:34 | CoolMoDee | cool |
| 18:42:46 | travis_143cw | i had good connections |
| 18:42:47 | CoolMoDee | ya, i want to get me a job coding, but i don't want to code on windows |
| 18:42:56 | travis_143cw | you will have to at first i am sure |
| 18:42:59 | CoolMoDee | so my only options for the most part is like Sun Microsystems |
| 18:43:09 | CoolMoDee | and maybe redhat |
| 18:43:10 | CoolMoDee | lol |
| 18:43:11 | travis_143cw | i code in windows all the time... |
| 18:43:19 | travis_143cw | friggin sucks |
| 18:43:23 | CoolMoDee | although i kinda want to program games |
| 18:43:30 | CoolMoDee | which would be done in windows |
| 18:43:38 | CoolMoDee | if i were to ever work for ID |
| 18:43:39 | travis_143cw | i dont know graphics well enough to program games |
| 18:43:51 | CoolMoDee | hence why most game programmers don't do graphics |
| 18:44:02 | travis_143cw | i am best at programming network protocols and interfaces |
| 18:44:04 | CoolMoDee | i just get PhrostByte todo them for me, he is into graphics and coding |
| 18:44:13 | travis_143cw | cool |
| 18:44:30 | CoolMoDee | its quite annoying now though, talking to my friends that aren't into codeing |
| 18:44:36 | CoolMoDee | they just seem...so...dumb |
| 18:45:04 | CoolMoDee | i got one friend who codes |
| 18:45:06 | CoolMoDee | somewhat |
| 18:45:25 | travis_143cw | see i am a college student and half the class i hang out with regularily... |
| 18:45:29 | CoolMoDee | its ugly as hell code, no idents, and the variables are like BA_SYS_KNRL_BOB_DOLE |
| 18:45:38 | travis_143cw | so i have quite a few smart friends and quite a few dumbass friends |
| 18:45:38 | CoolMoDee | indents * |
| 18:46:36 | travis_143cw | heh, i am taking COBOL right now and all variables seem like that |
| 18:46:52 | CoolMoDee | why cobol? |
| 18:46:53 | travis_143cw | ws-employee-pay-out-record-out |
| 18:46:56 | travis_143cw | shit like that |
| 18:47:02 | travis_143cw | i had to take cobol |
| 18:47:07 | travis_143cw | ... and RPG |
| 18:47:15 | CoolMoDee | why? |
| 18:47:24 | CoolMoDee | it makes no sense |
| 18:47:30 | travis_143cw | to get the bachelors in computer programming |
| 18:47:36 | travis_143cw | required course... |
| 18:47:40 | CoolMoDee | ahh |
| 18:47:44 | CoolMoDee | im just gonna get my aa |
| 18:47:45 | travis_143cw | cobol sucks so badly |
| 18:47:58 | CoolMoDee | and just get a lot of experiance |
| 18:47:58 | travis_143cw | rpg sucks a lot too, just in different ways |
| 18:48:07 | CoolMoDee | im a fan of java |
| 18:48:07 | travis_143cw | experience is key |
| 18:48:15 | CoolMoDee | mainly because i can code on linux, for windows |
| 18:48:22 | travis_143cw | java is cool for somethings... but it really sucks at others |
| 18:48:30 | travis_143cw | i personally dont use it much |
| 18:48:34 | travis_143cw | but i know it pretty damn well |
| 18:48:57 | travis_143cw | i personally like c and c++ |
| 18:49:04 | CoolMoDee | i just learned java, and wrote my most complex program ever in it, so that might be why i kinda like it (a gui address book that connected to a database) |
| 18:49:11 | travis_143cw | but i am a VB master it seems... i use that for work all the time |
| 18:49:14 | CoolMoDee | i need to buff up on my C/C++ skills |
| 18:49:17 | CoolMoDee | i HATE vb |
| 18:49:22 | CoolMoDee | and do not plan on learning it |
| 18:49:39 | travis_143cw | there are a whole lot of VB jobs out there and it is cake... |
| 18:49:46 | travis_143cw | but windows only sucks ass |
| 18:49:52 | CoolMoDee | yep |
| 18:49:57 | CoolMoDee | i WILL NOT code in vb |
| 18:50:02 | CoolMoDee | its against..me |
| 18:50:13 | travis_143cw | lol |
| 18:50:20 | travis_143cw | then you are against money i see.... |
| 18:50:20 | CoolMoDee | im sure i could pick it up quick enough, but i would rather code in C/C++ |
| 18:50:33 | CoolMoDee | it all depends what you are coding |
| 18:50:37 | travis_143cw | exactly |
| 18:50:49 | travis_143cw | there are plenty of things i would way rather use VB then other things... |
| 18:50:53 | CoolMoDee | i want to programs either games, or system shit |
| 18:51:22 | travis_143cw | there isnt much money in games either, otherwise i would be there. |
| 18:51:30 | travis_143cw | business applications is where it is at man |
| 18:51:31 | CoolMoDee | what about id |
| 18:51:41 | CoolMoDee | i will be in bussiness apps when it moves over to linux |
| 18:51:55 | travis_143cw | average game programmer salaray is like $27,000-$29,000 i guess |
| 18:52:06 | CoolMoDee | higher |
| 18:52:10 | CoolMoDee | i would think |
| 18:52:17 | CoolMoDee | prob around 30 - 40 |
| 18:52:24 | travis_143cw | i just saw the statistics not too long ago |
| 18:52:27 | travis_143cw | money is short there |
| 18:52:29 | travis_143cw | but i have to go |
| 18:52:31 | CoolMoDee | k |
| 18:52:34 | travis_143cw | heading home |
| 18:52:34 | CoolMoDee | later |
| 18:52:37 | travis_143cw | nice talking to you |
| 18:52:37 | CoolMoDee | cool |
| 18:52:40 | CoolMoDee | you too |
| 18:52:41 | travis_143cw | see ya! |