| 00:00:12 | Diablo-D3 | its a phb term. |
| 00:00:23 | Bakemono | yeah... |
| 00:00:28 | Bakemono | I know what it means |
| 00:00:41 | Diablo-D3 | Anyhow, yeah, Ive seen good looking *u cases |
| 00:00:44 | Wizord | hi |
| 00:00:48 | Bakemono | it's pretty self explanitory |
| 00:00:48 | Diablo-D3 | not sure if they were 2u or not. |
| 00:00:50 | Bakemono | hey Wizord |
| 00:00:54 | Diablo-D3 | hey Wizord |
| 00:01:04 | Wizord | hello |
| 00:01:08 | CoolMan | hello Wizord |
| 00:01:09 | Diablo-D3 | but, yeah, Ive heard that there are infact 2u cases that have an agp slot. |
| 00:01:30 | Bakemono | it's not the case that'll have the agp slot.... |
| 00:01:40 | Diablo-D3 | err |
| 00:01:42 | Diablo-D3 | s/case/mobo/ |
| 00:01:44 | CoolMan | Diablo-D3: we are not having the cards acually stick out the back |
| 00:01:47 | Bakemono | that's better |
| 00:01:50 | Diablo-D3 | sorry, brainfart |
| 00:02:03 | CoolMan | or, the card ports |
| 00:02:31 | Diablo-D3 | Anyhow, yeah, if we can get 2u cases with mobos that have an agp slot, we can start going somewhere |
| 00:02:43 | Diablo-D3 | The trick is, what do we want for sound hardware? |
| 00:02:44 | Wizord | discusing about the graphics card? |
| 00:03:02 | Diablo-D3 | Wizord: not exactly. We need a case to put it in. =) |
| 00:03:16 | Diablo-D3 | Wizord: whatever it ends up being, its going to be a raedon series product. |
| 00:03:28 | Wizord | cool for the radeon |
| 00:03:49 | Wizord | about the case, are you looking for a standard one? |
| 00:04:14 | CoolMan | we will probably be building our own case |
| 00:04:16 | Diablo-D3 | well, first, exactly how tall is a ps2? |
| 00:04:22 | Diablo-D3 | CoolMan: thats what im trying to avoid. |
| 00:04:31 | Wizord | that's what i'd think on it |
| 00:04:35 | Diablo-D3 | custom anything costs money. |
| 00:04:38 | CoolMan | but that will be the only thing that is not off the shelf |
| 00:04:53 | CoolMan | Diablo-D3: of course, but otherwise, it's not good enough |
| 00:04:59 | CoolMan | it must be custom |
| 00:05:02 | Diablo-D3 | well no |
| 00:05:11 | Diablo-D3 | we can rip the front off the case |
| 00:05:18 | Diablo-D3 | Im planning on modding whatever cases we get. |
| 00:05:23 | CoolMan | and the back? |
| 00:05:27 | Diablo-D3 | The back is normal. |
| 00:05:34 | CoolMan | no way |
| 00:05:49 | Diablo-D3 | remember, 2U and 3U cases look like a ps2 |
| 00:05:51 | Wizord | if you pick some PC hardware, and put it on a PC case, it's simply a PC |
| 00:05:52 | Diablo-D3 | there is no "back" |
| 00:05:54 | CoolMan | only cirtain ports can be availible to the user |
| 00:06:00 | Wizord | it's not a game console anymore |
| 00:06:12 | Diablo-D3 | CoolMan: dude, there are no ports on a 2u case |
| 00:06:14 | CoolMan | Diablo-D3: we will be having a custom case |
| 00:06:21 | CoolMan | 2u? |
| 00:06:29 | Diablo-D3 | yes, 4" inch tall case |
| 00:06:32 | Bakemono | CoolMan: rackmount |
| 00:06:41 | CoolMan | rackmount?! |
| 00:06:42 | Diablo-D3 | not specifically rackmount however |
| 00:06:47 | CoolMan | we are not using rackmount! |
| 00:06:58 | Diablo-D3 | CoolMan: oh shut up for a minute |
| 00:07:15 | Diablo-D3 | Most rackmount cases have mounting shit that is optional |
| 00:07:43 | Diablo-D3 | which means you get a nice smooth black case, and just throw the mounting shit out |
| 00:08:28 | Diablo-D3 | thats what a friend of mine did for his personal file server. Just sits there. smooth black metal, 1u tall, non descript front panel. |
| 00:09:17 | CoolMan | it would be good if we could have cases that are allready proven to work well with heat |
| 00:09:25 | Diablo-D3 | the back of it is just a vga port, a usb port or two, a ps2 keyboard and mouse port, and an ethernet port. |
| 00:09:59 | Diablo-D3 | CoolMan: heh, not to sound mean, but if sony, nintendo, and bitchrosoft dont have to deal with it, we dont have to ether. |
| 00:10:11 | CoolMan | what, heat? |
| 00:10:17 | Diablo-D3 | yeah heat |
| 00:10:33 | CoolMan | sorry, i'm not going to have my name on a console that overheats |
| 00:10:34 | Diablo-D3 | And 2u and 3u cases have good active cooling systems anyhow |
| 00:10:50 | Diablo-D3 | which, um, does the ps2 even have a fan? |
| 00:10:58 | Diablo-D3 | at all? |
| 00:11:07 | CoolMan | i think so |
| 00:11:13 | Diablo-D3 | ive never heard one on it |
| 00:11:32 | CoolMan | i thought i noticed it, but i don't have much contact with ps2s |
| 00:11:32 | Diablo-D3 | and the one or two little fans on a 2u are hard to hear too |
| 00:11:35 | Wizord | ps2 has a 450-mhz cpu |
| 00:11:44 | Diablo-D3 | Wizord: its also, what, mips? |
| 00:11:54 | Wizord | not sure |
| 00:12:00 | Wizord | but it's cool, very cool |
| 00:12:07 | Wizord | doesn't need any cooler |
| 00:12:13 | Diablo-D3 | well, there is a trick to that |
| 00:12:18 | Wizord | it's not the same with any AMD |
| 00:12:27 | Wizord | or intel, for the cas |
| 00:12:36 | Diablo-D3 | its roughly a 200-250mhz x86 |
| 00:12:47 | Diablo-D3 | and it also has the bonus of being a smaller fab. |
| 00:12:52 | Diablo-D3 | so yeah, it wont produce alot of heat. |
| 00:14:03 | Wizord | have you tested the ps2 on crunch-numbering tests? |
| 00:14:24 | Diablo-D3 | should score similarly to a 450-mhz g3. |
| 00:15:01 | CoolMan | dudes, as riviting as this conversation is, i should go |
| 00:15:07 | Diablo-D3 | CoolMan: heh. |
| 00:15:07 | CoolMan | because it is distracting me |
| 00:15:18 | CoolMan | from my work on the TuxBox |
| 00:15:24 | Diablo-D3 | dude, this is work on the tuxbox |
| 00:15:26 | CoolMan | cya all later |
| 00:15:27 | Wizord | do you plan to include some fan inside the box? |
| 00:15:35 | [57th]cneal | by |
| 00:15:37 | CoolMan | Wizord: yes |
| 00:15:40 | Bakemono | cya |
| 00:15:43 | CoolMan | cya |
| 00:15:45 | Diablo-D3 | Wizord: yeah, on the proc, and on the raedon |
| 00:16:14 | Wizord | the case will also have a fan? |
| 00:16:23 | Diablo-D3 | yep, in the power supply |
| 00:16:28 | Wizord | hmm |
| 00:16:38 | Wizord | that may do the console too noisy |
| 00:16:43 | Diablo-D3 | probably not. |
| 00:17:00 | Diablo-D3 | patpats his very not noise proof case, and its 3 fans. |
| 00:17:10 | Diablo-D3 | its very very low noise |
| 00:17:21 | Wizord | haven't think on putting the power supply outside the box? |
| 00:17:22 | Diablo-D3 | besides the fact its got a bigger fan than what would be in a 2u ps. |
| 00:17:30 | Diablo-D3 | er... you cant. |
| 00:17:36 | Wizord | why not? |
| 00:17:47 | Diablo-D3 | you would have a big gapping hole in the case |
| 00:17:56 | Diablo-D3 | and a metal death box. |
| 00:18:17 | Diablo-D3 | thats printed "dont touch" and has big holes in it to put little 3 year old fingers in |
| 00:18:28 | Wizord | ! |
| 00:18:45 | Wizord | doesn't have the ps2 the power supply outside the box? |
| 00:18:53 | Diablo-D3 | not really |
| 00:19:05 | Diablo-D3 | er, no |
| 00:19:17 | Diablo-D3 | it uses a 2 prong standard power cable I think |
| 00:19:58 | Wizord | well, i'm not sure then |
| 00:20:01 | Wizord | i haven't a ps2 |
| 00:20:39 | Wizord | but what i'm talking about is a power supply like those on the hp deskjet printers |
| 00:21:10 | Diablo-D3 | you mean an external converter block |
| 00:21:19 | Wizord | yes |
| 00:21:23 | Diablo-D3 | most things dont use them |
| 00:21:36 | Diablo-D3 | like...... an hp laser jet. ;) |
| 00:21:49 | Wizord | oh, sure, but that way you can do a smaller case |
| 00:21:58 | Wizord | and keep out some heat problems |
| 00:22:03 | Diablo-D3 | its already 4" tall |
| 00:22:13 | Diablo-D3 | and the top surface area just a little bigger than a ps2 |
| 00:22:35 | Diablo-D3 | i selected 2u cases because they are the perfect size |
| 00:23:14 | Diablo-D3 | now, unless you wanna not only pay for custom hardware, but go back in time, too.... |
| 00:30:26 | [57th]cneal | sorta like this http://www.tuxboxproject.com/images/hammered_big.png |
| 00:31:38 | Diablo-D3 | [57th]cneal: thats ugly =) |
| 00:32:26 | [57th]cneal | ? |
| 00:32:39 | Diablo-D3 | The pic. |
| 00:33:22 | [57th]cneal | it works |
| 04:19:49 | Naproxen | hello all |
| 05:36:25 | Diablo-D3 | needs sleep, night all |
| 13:09:55 | zwampy | What can be wrong when iptables give me a module errors what can I do ? |
| 13:11:26 | zwampy | Snake my love ;> |
| 13:12:03 | Snake | oo hello there my sweetheart |
| 13:12:18 | zwampy | lo |
| 13:12:44 | zwampy | this channel is a dead place :) |
| 13:13:43 | Snake | sure is |
| 13:18:46 | Snake | so howz that website coming along? |
| 13:21:50 | zwampy | not well |
| 13:21:58 | zwampy | im having trouble with my server |
| 13:22:04 | zwampy | and I need to fix it |
| 13:22:09 | zwampy | What can be wrong when iptables give me a module errors what can I do ? |
| 13:24:34 | Snake | what wazza's give you who's? |
| 13:24:38 | Snake | lol |
| 13:24:50 | Snake | iptable giving module errors |
| 13:24:53 | Snake | whats aip table |
| 13:25:01 | Snake | whats a module error? |
| 13:25:15 | zwampy | you using linux? |
| 13:25:38 | Snake | nope |
| 13:25:40 | Snake | windows |
| 13:25:51 | zwampy | do you know linux :? > |
| 13:26:51 | Snake | i teeny weeny little tiny bit |
| 14:35:18 | Snake | does anyone here have a sheel account? |
| 14:35:24 | Snake | that'll let mebounce |
| 19:09:41 | SavageOne | hello all |
| 19:25:38 | [57th]cneal | hi |
| 19:33:47 | [57th]cneal | hey |
| 19:33:50 | CoolMan | hello |
| 19:33:52 | [57th]cneal | whatzup |
| 19:34:14 | CoolMan | constant work on the tuxbox is what |
| 19:34:20 | CoolMan | sup u? |
| 19:34:27 | [57th]cneal | Get the controller to work with tuxbox? |
| 19:34:39 | CoolMan | been working on that for awhile now |
| 19:34:45 | CoolMan | it works for input |
| 19:35:01 | CoolMan | i'm allready using that for Smoke |
| 19:35:09 | [57th]cneal | cool |
| 19:35:13 | CoolMan | there are a few bugs to work out, but... |
| 19:35:23 | [57th]cneal | bugs? |
| 19:35:29 | CoolMan | nothing major |
| 19:35:40 | [57th]cneal | rumble pack work? |
| 19:35:45 | CoolMan | it has to do with de-plug, re-plug |
| 19:35:52 | CoolMan | rumble pack? |
| 19:36:02 | [57th]cneal | the rumble thing in the controller |
| 19:36:14 | CoolMan | the internal forcefeedback drivers are being written |
| 19:36:28 | [57th]cneal | oh, if you unplug it from the machine, it screwes up? |
| 19:36:40 | CoolMan | basically, but that is a bug in joydev |
| 19:37:08 | CoolMan | has to do with it reporting EAGAIN instead of ENODEV |
| 19:38:43 | [57th]cneal | have you tried plugging in two controllers to see if they will work independently? |
| 19:38:50 | CoolMan | ? |
| 19:39:11 | CoolMan | the two devices will show up under different /dev/jsXs |
| 19:39:25 | [57th]cneal | cool :) |
| 19:39:46 | CoolMan | don't worry, these things will work... |
| 19:39:52 | CoolMan | ...eventually |
| 19:39:54 | [57th]cneal | so all we need is the OS and were all set :D |
| 19:40:16 | CoolMan | well, things are a little more complex then that, but... |
| 19:40:43 | [57th]cneal | hows hw specs, are they fixed now or will they change maybe? |
| 19:41:08 | CoolMan | there has been work done on that that i was not involved in, so i don't know |
| 19:56:24 | SavageOne | hey |
| 19:56:24 | SavageOne | where can I get the latest iso? |
| 19:56:24 | SavageOne | if there is an iso... |
| 19:56:31 | CoolMan | hello |
| 19:56:37 | CoolMan | you mean of the OS? |
| 19:56:42 | SavageOne | yeah |
| 19:56:45 | SavageOne | of everything really |
| 19:56:55 | CoolMan | there are no releases of the OS |
| 19:56:56 | SavageOne | i'm assuming it's all balled up together w/ the gui etc |
| 19:57:05 | CoolMan | nope, sorry |
| 19:57:13 | CoolMan | the GUI works standalone right now |
| 19:57:14 | SavageOne | ? |
| 19:57:24 | SavageOne | I was told by travis that it was available in here... |
| 19:57:42 | CoolMan | you can use it by itself to build a non-dedicated development machine |
| 19:57:42 | SavageOne | I'm not looking to implement it, I want to see if I can help in any area of it's developement |
| 19:57:54 | CoolMan | the GUI's development? |
| 19:57:57 | CoolMan | or the OS? |
| 19:58:00 | SavageOne | probably, yes |
| 19:58:09 | SavageOne | GUI, and hardware |
| 19:58:19 | CoolMan | hmmmm |
| 19:58:26 | SavageOne | can I download the gui seperately? |
| 19:58:29 | CoolMan | you can get the GUI from my site |
| 19:58:35 | SavageOne | and just put it in say redhat... |
| 19:58:37 | SavageOne | what's your site? |
| 19:58:49 | CoolMan | it's all over the news of tuxboxproject.com |
| 19:59:01 | CoolMan | and yes, it works independantly of the linux distro |
| 19:59:18 | SavageOne | then why are you developing a seperate OS? |
| 19:59:26 | CoolMan | that's why a development machine does *not* have to be dedicated right now |
| 19:59:29 | SavageOne | are you trying to make it very small to fit on a tiny drive? |
| 20:00:02 | CoolMan | that, and the fact that there are aspects of normal distros that won't suit the TB |
| 20:00:23 | Diablo-D3 | yeah |
| 20:00:24 | SavageOne | where do I download the gui? |
| 20:00:25 | SavageOne | I don't see it on here |
| 20:00:30 | Diablo-D3 | most distros are too ... distrory |
| 20:00:33 | SavageOne | I see some files on your sourceforge section |
| 20:00:37 | SavageOne | but I was told they were older |
| 20:00:46 | CoolMan | those are ancient |
| 20:00:56 | CoolMan | look on www.tuxboxproject.com |
| 20:01:09 | CoolMan | you will see some news post about the tuxbox game tutorial |
| 20:01:09 | SavageOne | coolman: I am at tuxboxproject.com right now |
| 20:01:16 | Diablo-D3 | they should be updated on the sf site |
| 20:01:22 | Diablo-D3 | especially any downloadables |
| 20:01:29 | CoolMan | in the news post, there is a link to *my* site |
| 20:01:36 | CoolMan | go there |
| 20:01:42 | Diablo-D3 | notes downloadables should never be on the project website |
| 20:01:51 | SavageOne | gotcha |
| 20:02:21 | SavageOne | yeah, if you want to gain interest you should get the sourcforge site updates |
| 20:02:22 | CoolMan | Diablo-D3 should note that we are still working on organizing the webpage idea |
| 20:02:52 | CoolMan | i don't have control over the sf area of tuxboxproject, so i do what i have control over |
| 20:02:58 | Diablo-D3 | Heh. |
| 20:03:07 | SavageOne | that's travis right? |
| 20:03:12 | SavageOne | is he the head of the project? |
| 20:03:13 | Diablo-D3 | You do also realize that I do tech support in #sourceforge, right? |
| 20:03:22 | CoolMan | no i didn't |
| 20:03:30 | CoolMan | that sounds like a blast |
| 20:03:35 | Diablo-D3 | It is... |
| 20:03:57 | Diablo-D3 | but anyhow, also, the project download servers and the webservers are two different boxes... |
| 20:03:59 | Diablo-D3 | for a reason. |
| 20:04:08 | CoolMan | to hear all those retards who can't read... |
| 20:04:08 | CoolMan | i know |
| 20:04:13 | CoolMan | but that doesn't fix our problem |
| 20:04:15 | Diablo-D3 | Heh. |
| 20:04:25 | SavageOne | what is the problem? |
| 20:04:33 | CoolMan | i need to be able to update Smoke and etc. when i am ready to update |
| 20:04:34 | SavageOne | your objective as an open source project is to make this as available as possible |
| 20:05:29 | SavageOne | the very fact that there are 2 seperate websites, "yours" and the official one is ludicrous |
| 20:05:29 | CoolMan | not when i email it to travis and he's ready to update |
| 20:05:29 | CoolMan | i know it's not right, but arog has said he is working on it, and i leave it up to him |
| 20:05:43 | Diablo-D3 | Then what you do is tell travis to get off his ass and give your sf login privlidges to the website stuff |
| 20:06:04 | SavageOne | I'm considering forking this project |
| 20:06:15 | CoolMan | all of the importaint members of the development team will eventually have their own sections of the frognet page |
| 20:06:37 | CoolMan | SavageOne: why? |
| 20:06:51 | Diablo-D3 | er, how the hell do you fork a project like this? |
| 20:06:54 | SavageOne | coolman: because I don't think it's organization at this point is anything to smile at |
| 20:07:09 | Diablo-D3 | first, there is no real project |
| 20:07:19 | SavageOne | diablo: take it, change it to what we want, and change thje name giving them credit for their work thus far |
| 20:07:21 | Diablo-D3 | tuxbox is still basically in the planning stage. |
| 20:07:23 | [57th]cneal | What are you working on SavageOne? |
| 20:07:27 | CoolMan | the progress we have been making is nothing to sniff at either |
| 20:07:36 | SavageOne | mainly not because I'm disatisfied |
| 20:07:39 | SavageOne | but instead because we want to go in a different direction, focusing more on an internet appliance |
| 20:07:50 | Diablo-D3 | oh heh |
| 20:07:58 | CoolMan | Diablo-D3: have you even SEEN all the work i'm doing?! |
| 20:07:59 | Diablo-D3 | dont bother starting here then |
| 20:08:01 | SavageOne | cneal: we're developing a webtv type of box |
| 20:08:20 | [57th]cneal | umm, that has nothing to do with tuxbox you know... |
| 20:08:20 | CoolMan | how can you say that the tuxbox is in planning?! |
| 20:08:22 | Diablo-D3 | SavageOne: go with an embedded linux distro, and go from there |
| 20:08:25 | SavageOne | diablo: I like the idea, but for what I'm doing I think it might not be necessary to go this way |
| 20:08:31 | Diablo-D3 | CoolMan: easy. No tuxbox. |
| 20:08:42 | [57th]cneal | are you forking the webtv project savageone? |
| 20:08:46 | SavageOne | diablo: the box I'm building is going to be a standard pc, just small and sits on top of your tv |
| 20:08:47 | CoolMan | Diablo-D3: you don't have a development machine? |
| 20:09:10 | SavageOne | cneal: I wasn't aware that a webtv project existed... |
| 20:09:14 | Diablo-D3 | CoolMan: besides the one that im sitting at right now? |
| 20:09:24 | CoolMan | tuxbox development |
| 20:09:32 | CoolMan | you said there was no tuxbox |
| 20:09:37 | Diablo-D3 | There isnt one. |
| 20:09:44 | CoolMan | i have one set up now |
| 20:09:57 | Diablo-D3 | And what, pray tell, does it look like? |
| 20:10:03 | CoolMan | only software on my normal workstation, but it's there |
| 20:10:21 | Diablo-D3 | Im not talking software |
| 20:10:25 | CoolMan | of course we don't have hardware prototypes yet |
| 20:10:26 | SavageOne | coolman: he's saying you haven't decided on the hardware aspect |
| 20:10:26 | Diablo-D3 | im talking the actual tuxbox. |
| 20:10:30 | SavageOne | I have most of that figured out |
| 20:10:34 | [57th]cneal | You lost me, 'cneal: we're developing a webtv type of box ' 'cneal: I wasn't aware that a webtv project existed...' so it is development but not a project? |
| 20:10:40 | SavageOne | I'm using a sejin wireless input device |
| 20:10:52 | CoolMan | most of it is all good, but we need some funds and we need to experiment |
| 20:10:54 | Diablo-D3 | and btw, "we" havent decided on a hardware spec |
| 20:10:55 | SavageOne | sejin is the company that manufacturers the webtv keyboard for phillips magnavox |
| 20:10:56 | Diablo-D3 | but I have. |
| 20:11:22 | SavageOne | cneal: we are developing it as in my company, we just haven't done anything in the area of software yet |
| 20:11:34 | CoolMan | look, the last thing TuxBox needs is a bunch of nay-sayers |
| 20:11:45 | Diablo-D3 | SavageOne: btw, do you own a ps2? |
| 20:11:49 | CoolMan | not when so many of us are working daily |
| 20:11:59 | [57th]cneal | so, your forking whatever that your company is working on? |
| 20:12:07 | SavageOne | diablo: nope |
| 20:12:17 | SavageOne | diablo: but the case I'm using looks just like one, :) |
| 20:12:30 | SavageOne | I'm either going to use the Gmax barebones from gigabyte |
| 20:12:31 | SavageOne | or MSI's fa series |
| 20:12:49 | Diablo-D3 | heh |
| 20:13:02 | SavageOne | I want to go amd |
| 20:13:14 | Diablo-D3 | Im trying to figure out how tall a damn ps2 box is |
| 20:13:16 | SavageOne | but I'm still searching for a similar product that supports it |
| 20:13:34 | SavageOne | diablo: if you're going 2 or 3u, look for something the shape of a vcr |
| 20:13:37 | SavageOne | something stackable |
| 20:13:43 | SavageOne | problem is, rack cases are expensive |
| 20:13:52 | SavageOne | the msi system I spoke about is $200 approximately |
| 20:13:52 | Diablo-D3 | Rack cases actually arnt. |
| 20:14:01 | Diablo-D3 | not effectivly, anyhow |
| 20:14:09 | SavageOne | comes WITH the onboard video, rca out, svideo out, motherboard, front usb etc etc |
| 20:14:19 | Diablo-D3 | Heh/ |
| 20:14:20 | Diablo-D3 | eww. |
| 20:14:23 | Diablo-D3 | thats a nasty system. |
| 20:14:30 | SavageOne | why? |
| 20:14:35 | Diablo-D3 | onboard video |
| 20:14:40 | SavageOne | bah |
| 20:14:53 | SavageOne | I've us4ed this on a tv AND compared it to the radeon |
| 20:14:53 | Diablo-D3 | something like tuxbox couldnt use that. |
| 20:14:54 | SavageOne | similar performance |
| 20:15:06 | SavageOne | well that's the thing |
| 20:15:10 | Diablo-D3 | We are doing 3d graphics. |
| 20:15:11 | SavageOne | the gaming thing for me is like a sidebenefit |
| 20:15:20 | Diablo-D3 | we depend on 3d performance |
| 20:15:31 | SavageOne | the onboard video on this box is pretty good, msi doesn't do bad video onboard |
| 20:15:43 | Diablo-D3 | you probably have one of those retarded intergrated intel chipsets if its an intel proc |
| 20:15:44 | SavageOne | I never sell systems with onboard video mind-you, unless you're like business workstations |
| 20:16:02 | SavageOne | diablo: no, those are only available on INTEL boards |
| 20:16:05 | SavageOne | thank god |
| 20:16:11 | Diablo-D3 | no, some arnt |
| 20:16:11 | SavageOne | the intel 850 onboard video is retarded |
| 20:16:18 | Diablo-D3 | they made a standalone version |
| 20:16:38 | Diablo-D3 | and yeah, i8xx is fucked up |
| 20:16:57 | SavageOne | total cost of my whole box will be like $400 |
| 20:17:04 | Diablo-D3 | ouch |
| 20:17:08 | Diablo-D3 | im trying to go lower than that |
| 20:17:12 | SavageOne | but I'm pissed because I don't want to use a celeron at all |
| 20:17:15 | SavageOne | I'd like to get cheaper |
| 20:17:21 | SavageOne | but harddrive is like $100 |
| 20:17:26 | Diablo-D3 | I just cant find anyone who sells 2u or 3u cases |
| 20:17:32 | SavageOne | I don't do these 5400rpm jobs, and I only use seagate and wd |
| 20:17:45 | SavageOne | diablo: might be a good idea to look into developing your own case |
| 20:17:54 | SavageOne | injection molding |
| 20:17:56 | Diablo-D3 | no, costs money. |
| 20:18:06 | SavageOne | it can be cost effective if you're doing a lot of it |
| 20:18:07 | Diablo-D3 | more money than buying the cases |
| 20:18:18 | SavageOne | yeah, but in the long run you could end up pressing cases for 10$ a piece |
| 20:18:23 | SavageOne | according to my calculations |
| 20:18:23 | Diablo-D3 | so? |
| 20:18:30 | Diablo-D3 | there is no long run for tuxbox. |
| 20:18:31 | SavageOne | problem is, u gotta know how to design a case |
| 20:18:39 | Diablo-D3 | It isnt like this is a commercial backed project. |
| 20:18:47 | SavageOne | umm |
| 20:18:47 | SavageOne | mine is |
| 20:18:55 | Diablo-D3 | tuxbox isnt, thats the problem |
| 20:18:58 | SavageOne | I'm in this to make money |
| 20:19:01 | Diablo-D3 | so everything needs to be off the shelf. |
| 20:19:02 | SavageOne | not on the code |
| 20:19:06 | SavageOne | but on the hardware and service |
| 20:19:19 | SavageOne | well then the sejin keybord won't work for you |
| 20:19:19 | Diablo-D3 | heh. Tuxbox isnt, and thats the problem. |
| 20:19:29 | SavageOne | must be purchased in cases of 10 |
| 20:19:31 | Diablo-D3 | Heh, we are going for all usb equipment |
| 20:19:41 | SavageOne | the keyboard I'm using,btw, looks NOTHING like the webtv keyboard, just to put that out there |
| 20:19:53 | Diablo-D3 | heh, cases of 10 isnt bad. Im looking to bulk order equipment |
| 20:19:58 | Diablo-D3 | thats why I can get stuff cheeper. |
| 20:20:13 | SavageOne | I bulk order equipment too, of course |
| 20:20:18 | Diablo-D3 | anyhow, savage, seen a 2u or 3u tall box that has an agp slot? |
| 20:20:21 | Diablo-D3 | and isnt ugly? |
| 20:20:23 | SavageOne | but it doesn't get as cheap as lot of people assume |
| 20:20:35 | SavageOne | what do you mean 3U tall box? |
| 20:20:42 | SavageOne | like a 3U case? |
| 20:20:46 | Diablo-D3 | yeah |
| 20:20:48 | SavageOne | cheapest I've seen was $100 |
| 20:20:49 | Diablo-D3 | with mobo in |
| 20:20:50 | SavageOne | problem is |
| 20:21:05 | SavageOne | once you get past like 2U, they start putting those retarded lockable fronts on them |
| 20:21:11 | SavageOne | if it were just plain, it'd be perfect... |
| 20:21:13 | Diablo-D3 | heh damnit |
| 20:21:18 | Diablo-D3 | Yeah, something plain |
| 20:21:23 | CoolMan | brb |
| 20:21:35 | SavageOne | diablo: I've been looking |
| 20:21:36 | Diablo-D3 | I wish there were 2u or 3u boxen already made for settop boxen |
| 20:21:41 | SavageOne | I doubt you'll find one w/ the mobo in it? |
| 20:21:51 | SavageOne | diablo: that's my other idea... |
| 20:21:52 | Diablo-D3 | hmm. |
| 20:21:54 | SavageOne | if I can develope a case |
| 20:21:59 | SavageOne | I can BE that case that everyone uses |
| 20:22:01 | Diablo-D3 | wants this.... |
| 20:22:12 | Diablo-D3 | room for a slimline cd drive |
| 20:22:18 | Diablo-D3 | you know, the laptop kind |
| 20:22:35 | Diablo-D3 | then, a thing for 2 usb connectors |
| 20:22:43 | Diablo-D3 | so we can use standard usb hid equipment |
| 20:22:45 | SavageOne | I'm porobably not using a slimline |
| 20:22:55 | SavageOne | if your case is over 2U, you can use a 5 1/4 |
| 20:23:12 | Diablo-D3 | well, thats why im trying to figure out how tall the ps2 is |
| 20:23:18 | Diablo-D3 | I dont wanna go over the height of that |
| 20:23:32 | SavageOne | I'd say about 12" |
| 20:23:35 | SavageOne | why's it matter? |
| 20:23:42 | SavageOne | I want a box that can stand up OR lie down |
| 20:23:47 | SavageOne | now, they make some flex atx cases |
| 20:23:48 | SavageOne | wait |
| 20:23:51 | SavageOne | there's your solution |
| 20:24:09 | Diablo-D3 | eh? |
| 20:24:10 | SavageOne | u want yours to stand up or lay down? |
| 20:24:17 | SavageOne | like a tower or a desktop |
| 20:24:25 | SavageOne | verticle or horizontal |
| 20:24:30 | Diablo-D3 | horizontal |
| 20:24:36 | Diablo-D3 | even the ps2 is horizontal |
| 20:24:45 | Diablo-D3 | its just a bad hack with the vert hoolder |
| 20:25:00 | SavageOne | I know |
| 20:25:06 | SavageOne | I want mine to do both as well |
| 20:25:15 | Diablo-D3 | But im trying to get something that is the relitive size of the ps2 |
| 20:25:52 | Diablo-D3 | so, if the ps2 is 3u tall, ill go for a 3u case |
| 20:26:00 | Diablo-D3 | I dont think its 6 inches tall |
| 20:27:28 | SavageOne | javascript:MyWindow('vbk','V2000 Flex ATX Cases - Black Color','v2000bk','V2000 Flex ATX Cases Black Color',580,350) |
| 20:27:32 | SavageOne | umm |
| 20:27:33 | SavageOne | my bad |
| 20:27:40 | SavageOne | http://www.directron.com/directron/v2000.html |
| 20:27:56 | SavageOne | go to the middle and choose the charcoal black view |
| 20:28:50 | Diablo-D3 | eww what a lame site |
| 20:28:55 | SavageOne | yeah |
| 20:28:57 | SavageOne | the site is lame |
| 20:29:05 | SavageOne | but they have a lot of good shit |
| 20:29:16 | SavageOne | and a resellers program/discount |
| 20:29:24 | CoolMan | back |
| 20:29:25 | Diablo-D3 | too... computer looking |
| 20:29:31 | SavageOne | but anway, that plain flexatx desktop case looks like a vcr |
| 20:29:41 | SavageOne | hehe |
| 20:30:21 | Diablo-D3 | I dont want something that looks like a vcr |
| 20:30:26 | Diablo-D3 | I want something that looks like a damn ps2. |
| 20:30:41 | SavageOne | I dunno man |
| 20:30:43 | Diablo-D3 | the ps2 is basically the top design for gaming consoles. You dont get any better than that. |
| 20:30:44 | SavageOne | just trying to help |
| 20:30:59 | SavageOne | I don't like it's design personally |
| 20:30:59 | Diablo-D3 | The smart thing to do is clone it within reasonable paramaters. |
| 20:31:18 | SavageOne | hehe |
| 20:31:19 | SavageOne | http://www.suntekgroup.com/alpha2000.htm |
| 20:31:39 | SavageOne | http://www.suntekgroup.com/th2016.htm |
| 20:32:01 | SavageOne | that second one wouldn't be far off if it didn't have the fruity colors |
| 20:32:30 | Diablo-D3 | I can always repaint it |
| 20:32:43 | SavageOne | true that |
| 20:32:44 | SavageOne | did you look at it? |
| 20:32:52 | SavageOne | they have a similar one that's beige, but it's ugly |
| 20:32:55 | Diablo-D3 | no, the alpha2000 is out |
| 20:32:59 | SavageOne | I'd like that one I just pointed out |
| 20:33:08 | SavageOne | the alpha 2000 was a joke, hehe |
| 20:33:10 | SavageOne | the second one |
| 20:33:25 | SavageOne | I'd use some vinyl die on that beast |
| 20:33:28 | SavageOne | paint it red and blac |
| 20:33:38 | Diablo-D3 | the alpha 2000 looks like the compaq case |
| 20:36:13 | Diablo-D3 | I dont like that other case |
| 20:36:16 | Diablo-D3 | its just too tall |
| 20:36:34 | SavageOne | that's about the size of the ps2 |
| 20:36:40 | SavageOne | probably exactly the size |
| 20:37:03 | SavageOne | I wish I could form an aliance w/ amd and make a custom board for my box |
| 20:37:07 | SavageOne | like intel did w/ microsoft for the xbox |
| 20:37:08 | SavageOne | ehehe |
| 20:37:15 | Diablo-D3 | I need a case that isnt computerish |
| 20:37:16 | SavageOne | got a couple extra million $ I can borrow? |
| 20:37:19 | Diablo-D3 | no 3.5" drives |
| 20:37:22 | SavageOne | well, good luck man |
| 20:37:28 | Diablo-D3 | just a single 5.25" |
| 20:37:36 | SavageOne | start contacting company's that have stuff that's ALMOST what you want, and see if they do custom work |
| 20:37:54 | Diablo-D3 | heh. I dont have any money =/ |
| 20:38:00 | Diablo-D3 | isnt the cashman here |
| 20:38:27 | SavageOne | :) |
| 20:38:40 | SavageOne | I want one of these built for the end of april |
| 20:38:45 | SavageOne | to display in my store |
| 20:38:59 | Diablo-D3 | heh |
| 20:39:43 | Diablo-D3 | I dunno, how big are the gamecube and xbox? |
| 20:39:58 | CoolMan | the gamecube is about the size of your hand |
| 20:40:11 | CoolMan | the xbox is about the size of a small suitcase |
| 20:40:14 | Diablo-D3 | CoolMan: wah? no way! |
| 20:40:21 | CoolMan | i swear |
| 20:40:39 | Diablo-D3 | that would mean its around the side of a gba |
| 20:40:42 | CoolMan | well, the xbox is maybe a little smaller than a normal tower |
| 20:40:47 | SavageOne | hehe |
| 20:40:49 | SavageOne | how about this: |
| 20:40:50 | SavageOne | http://www.elstonsystems.com/prod/clearpc.html |
| 20:41:10 | CoolMan | the gamecube is the width of a gba in every dimention (approx) |
| 20:41:31 | CoolMan | so, the longest part of the gba is the gamecube |
| 20:41:41 | Diablo-D3 | woah |
| 20:41:56 | Diablo-D3 | SavageOne: hah |
| 20:42:01 | CoolMan | you don't *mess* with gamecube |
| 20:42:04 | SavageOne | diablo: that'd be fly eh? |
| 20:42:15 | SavageOne | what's a gba? |
| 20:42:20 | Diablo-D3 | SavageOne: that would |
| 20:42:24 | CoolMan | GameBoy Advance |
| 20:42:29 | Diablo-D3 | CoolMan: wanna do a favor? |
| 20:42:33 | CoolMan | what? |
| 20:42:56 | Diablo-D3 | CoolMan: find the exact demensions of an xbox |
| 20:43:05 | Diablo-D3 | If i cant make a ps2, im gonna make an xbox, damnit! |
| 20:43:19 | CoolMan | i can't do that, but i can find the exact dimensions of the gamecube |
| 20:43:43 | SavageOne | http://www.directron.com/ezgo.html |
| 20:43:51 | SavageOne | we should do it w/ the ezgo portable pc |
| 20:43:57 | SavageOne | it's like the size of a cd walkman |
| 20:44:32 | Diablo-D3 | woah |
| 20:44:36 | Diablo-D3 | portable tuxbox |
| 20:44:40 | SavageOne | what about this case, kind of like a gamecube |
| 20:44:40 | SavageOne | http://www.directron.com/babycase.html |
| 20:44:49 | SavageOne | diablo: they've had those small guys for a few years |
| 20:44:58 | SavageOne | that one, you can build an entire system for like $800 |
| 20:45:09 | SavageOne | w. 256MB of ram, 20GB harddrive, 1GHz PIII |
| 20:45:25 | SavageOne | it's got svideo out, composite out etc |
| 20:45:29 | SavageOne | and an onboard dvd rom |
| 20:46:20 | CoolMan | i have to go guys |
| 20:46:26 | CoolMan | cya all later |
| 20:47:42 | Diablo-D3 | that little box is kinda cool |
| 20:48:11 | SavageOne | wow |
| 20:48:18 | SavageOne | I found a manufacturer w/ some nice stuff |
| 20:48:20 | SavageOne | http://www.yeongyang.com/yahoo/YY-9301.htm |
| 20:48:48 | SavageOne | http://www.yeongyang.com/yahoo/YY-8401.htm |
| 20:49:51 | SavageOne | good news |
| 20:49:55 | SavageOne | they do OEM services! |
| 20:50:00 | Diablo-D3 | woo |
| 20:50:01 | SavageOne | I'll be calling these folks soon |
| 20:50:12 | SavageOne | http://www.yeongyang.com/products/little_mermaid.htm |
| 20:50:17 | SavageOne | that one in black, they have it |
| 20:50:34 | Diablo-D3 | hey that 8401 is cool |
| 20:50:59 | SavageOne | link |
| 20:51:16 | SavageOne | the yy8401? |
| 20:51:19 | Diablo-D3 | yeah |
| 20:51:21 | SavageOne | that's just like the other one I showed you dude |
| 20:51:23 | SavageOne | hehe |
| 20:51:45 | Diablo-D3 | well its just that I would have to get one without alot of the shit |
| 20:52:03 | SavageOne | a lot of what shit? |
| 20:52:10 | Diablo-D3 | floppy drive stuff |
| 20:52:11 | SavageOne | the 9301 is awesome |
| 20:52:17 | SavageOne | yeah |
| 20:52:22 | SavageOne | I want a floppy tho I think... |
| 20:52:38 | Diablo-D3 | I dunno |
| 20:52:46 | Diablo-D3 | with tuxbox, you dont need one |
| 20:52:51 | Diablo-D3 | and we wont support one =) |
| 20:53:32 | SavageOne | hhe |
| 20:53:40 | SavageOne | the thing w/ my box is |
| 20:53:53 | SavageOne | some customers are going to request windows, and I want to be able to provide that if need be |
| 20:54:05 | Diablo-D3 | heh |
| 20:54:11 | Diablo-D3 | okay, the 8401... |
| 20:54:17 | Diablo-D3 | is that a single 5.25" drive? |
| 20:56:13 | SavageOne | http://www.yeongyang.com/catalog/little_mermaid.pdf |
| 20:56:21 | Diablo-D3 | erg, pdf... fuck that |
| 20:57:13 | Diablo-D3 | what is the little mermaid anyhow? |
| 21:00:14 | SavageOne | that's the one I like |
| 21:00:17 | SavageOne | it's just the tech specs |
| 21:00:18 | SavageOne | anyway |
| 21:00:25 | SavageOne | I just e-mailed their oem division |
| 21:00:34 | SavageOne | and asked if it was possible to get rid of the floppy opening |
| 21:00:40 | SavageOne | and also I asked for pricing information |
| 21:00:50 | SavageOne | but now, I have to get going |
| 21:00:57 | Diablo-D3 | Seeya savage |
| 21:01:08 | SavageOne | peas |
| 21:55:49 | Diablo-D3 | will brb |
| 21:57:41 | Diablo-D3 | goes afk for food |
| 22:04:31 | [57th]cneal | hi |
