| 01:13:25 | arog | 'ello, 'ello |
| 02:08:26 | travis|afk | hi |
| 02:49:56 | [57th]cneal | interesting |
| 02:50:16 | Bakemono | very... |
| 02:51:38 | [57th]cneal | is back (gone 07:10:16) |
| 02:57:09 | travis|afk | hi |
| 03:06:24 | [57th]cneal | hey |
| 03:06:30 | [57th]cneal | :D |
| 03:56:10 | travis|afk | Bake, you around |
| 03:58:35 | [57th]cneal | Hey |
| 03:58:42 | travis|afk | howdy |
| 03:58:43 | [57th]cneal | So whos Zypheus? |
| 03:59:49 | travis|afk | not quite sure, but i recall him emailing me before... |
| 03:59:59 | travis|afk | that would be great if everything worked out good though |
| 04:00:16 | [57th]cneal | Is he a company? |
| 04:00:25 | travis|afk | i dont think a person can be a company.... |
| 04:00:29 | travis|afk | =P |
| 04:00:39 | [57th]cneal | He sounds like he has a lot of money |
| 04:00:51 | [57th]cneal | Oh |
| 04:01:13 | travis|afk | or access to a lot of money, and he obviously has done research on us |
| 04:01:26 | [57th]cneal | We could use his money |
| 04:01:46 | travis|afk | yes, i forsee a few things that money could goto |
| 04:02:28 | [57th]cneal | We could like have a huge party in the middle of the united states. That would be cool |
| 04:02:28 | travis|afk | like some dev/prototype units and a mold for cases |
| 04:03:01 | [57th]cneal | and bring in followers |
| 04:03:10 | [57th]cneal | You know what I was thinking |
| 04:03:14 | travis|afk | ? |
| 04:03:31 | [57th]cneal | is a big tuxbox flag with a picture of the tuxbox on it |
| 04:03:45 | travis|afk | to put where? |
| 04:05:36 | [57th]cneal | Like get twenty of them and have them planted around places |
| 04:05:36 | [57th]cneal | a few here and there |
| 04:05:36 | [57th]cneal | People would be like, holy cow! What the heck is a tuxbox? I gotta check them out |
| 04:05:53 | [57th]cneal | It sounds like tho if we accept money etc, then we have to let them make choices that we may or may not agree for the tuxbox |
| 04:07:14 | [57th]cneal | put where?? |
| 04:07:39 | travis|afk | brb |
| 04:07:59 | [57th]cneal | oh the flags, umm schools maybe |
| 04:08:30 | [57th]cneal | M$ has a flag on our school now :\ |
| 04:09:07 | SavageOne | hello all |
| 04:09:15 | travis|afk | hello |
| 04:09:17 | [57th]cneal | hi |
| 04:09:30 | SavageOne | travis: there you are, :) |
| 04:09:45 | SavageOne | I told you I'd stroll on in here at some point |
| 04:09:51 | SavageOne | sejin.com |
| 04:09:53 | SavageOne | nice keyboards |
| 04:10:08 | SavageOne | they are the manufacturer that makes the keyboards for phillip's magnavox, web tv |
| 04:10:38 | travis|afk | wireless i assume |
| 04:10:44 | SavageOne | yep |
| 04:10:51 | SavageOne | they have about 15 different versions |
| 04:10:55 | SavageOne | and they're all custom |
| 04:11:01 | SavageOne | I have some bulk pricing info if you'd like |
| 04:11:13 | SavageOne | it turns out for the good one to be around $45 a piece in boxes of 10 |
| 04:11:27 | SavageOne | but that's with the wireless reciever, and a spillproof keyboard w/ onboard mouse |
| 04:11:28 | SavageOne | now |
| 04:11:36 | SavageOne | they have one w/ an onboard universal tv remote |
| 04:11:46 | SavageOne | but they're still perfecting that |
| 04:11:50 | SavageOne | so I wouldn't recommend it |
| 04:12:00 | travis|afk | yeah probably not |
| 04:12:01 | [57th]cneal | for tuxbox? |
| 04:12:11 | SavageOne | I'm using it for a web tv type system |
| 04:12:19 | SavageOne | and I'm probably going to use your os, hehe |
| 04:12:30 | SavageOne | travis: now, there is an iso on sourceforge right? |
| 04:12:34 | SavageOne | how's the install? |
| 04:12:57 | travis|afk | i think that is a very old version |
| 04:13:22 | SavageOne | can I get something up to date? |
| 04:13:34 | SavageOne | I'd like to join the gui design group if possible too, after I havea look |
| 04:13:45 | travis|afk | Bakemono has the most recent OS |
| 04:13:49 | SavageOne | I got some guys down here that are willing to help out, as long as we can mutually benefit |
| 04:15:17 | SavageOne | he's away now |
| 04:15:26 | SavageOne | is the installation gui'd? similar to redhat 7.2s? |
| 04:15:33 | SavageOne | I'm bad w/ installs, hehe |
| 04:15:45 | SavageOne | too much 9x will do that to a guy |
| 04:16:10 | travis|afk | no the install isnt graphical yet |
| 04:16:17 | travis|afk | it is just a cootable cd at this point |
| 04:16:21 | SavageOne | is it easy? |
| 04:17:08 | [57th]cneal | Its r33t |
| 04:17:35 | [57th]cneal | Its a gaming console |
| 04:17:43 | [57th]cneal | :) |
| 04:18:10 | [57th]cneal | or...it will be a gaming console |
| 04:18:16 | SavageOne | IT'S R33T? what's that supposed to me |
| 04:18:32 | [57th]cneal | Sorry, code stuff |
| 04:18:35 | SavageOne | I just want to get it on a box so I can fiddle around |
| 04:18:45 | SavageOne | this backwards e stuff is strange |
| 04:18:47 | [57th]cneal | Ok |
| 04:18:53 | travis|afk | what type of video card you using? |
| 04:18:56 | SavageOne | I've been on irc for like 13 years, and I still don't understand it |
| 04:19:08 | [57th]cneal | Yeah, new code stuff |
| 04:19:10 | SavageOne | right now Im on an 8mb ati xpert, but I'm also in win2k |
| 04:19:26 | SavageOne | but the box I'll test it on will probably be some cheapo onboard |
| 04:19:28 | travis|afk | i mean your system you want the TBos on |
| 04:19:39 | SavageOne | well |
| 04:19:52 | SavageOne | I'm probably going to be using a system similar to that gmax one from directron |
| 04:19:56 | SavageOne | this one is from MSI |
| 04:20:10 | SavageOne | I want to make a custom chassis, some kind of 1u flex atx thing |
| 04:20:28 | SavageOne | but for now, this msi barebones has the board in an upright case the size of a ps2 |
| 04:20:32 | SavageOne | playstation 2 that is |
| 04:21:57 | SavageOne | I want to add instant messanging support too |
| 04:23:00 | SavageOne | I have a picture of the case if anyone wants me to dcc raise your hand... |
| 04:23:16 | SavageOne | FCPGA Tualatin, PIII & Celeron up to 866MHz and higher. Intel 815E chipset, LPX form factor. 133MHz FSB, Integrated Audio (GMCH). Front located USB ports x 2, Audio ports x 3, Infrared Window. TV- out function with s/av connectors. |
| 04:23:18 | [57th]cneal | picture? |
| 04:23:26 | SavageOne | yes |
| 04:23:28 | SavageOne | a pic of the base |
| 04:23:31 | SavageOne | jpg file |
| 04:23:31 | SavageOne | hehe |
| 04:23:43 | SavageOne | still using lynx are we? |
| 04:23:43 | [57th]cneal | hmm |
| 04:25:45 | [57th]cneal | ðß1 |
| 04:26:13 | SavageOne | like it? |
| 04:26:14 | [57th]cneal | What file did you send me? |
| 04:26:18 | SavageOne | hehe |
| 04:26:26 | SavageOne | MS6215T.jpg |
| 04:26:45 | [57th]cneal | I cant find it |
| 04:26:56 | SavageOne | I dunno what to tell you man |
| 04:27:02 | SavageOne | what os are you on? running mirc32? |
| 04:27:33 | [57th]cneal | Oh. . . a computor |
| 04:28:03 | [57th]cneal | 13m8IRC |
| 04:28:18 | SavageOne | well, that's the case and motherboard |
| 04:28:25 | SavageOne | it's about $200 |
| 04:28:40 | SavageOne | has the mothorboard, ethernet, onboard video w/ svideo and composite out |
| 04:28:44 | SavageOne | sound, usb |
| 04:28:49 | SavageOne | everything you need basically |
| 04:29:07 | SavageOne | may not provide the graphics drive you want, but on a tv at svideo that's about the best you can get |
| 04:29:11 | [57th]cneal | 6m8IRC1532 |
| 04:29:46 | [57th]cneal | Oh |
| 04:29:52 | [57th]cneal | Interesting |
| 04:30:39 | [57th]cneal | §Ô 31337 |
| 04:31:53 | [57th]cneal | ýüÞ |
| 04:34:02 | [57th]cneal | àì §û>< |
| 04:34:08 | [57th]cneal | heh |
| 04:35:52 | SavageOne | http://www.media-box.org/ |
| 04:36:44 | [57th]cneal | ? |
| 04:36:57 | SavageOne | another settop type media box project |
| 04:47:47 | Snake | anyone alive? |
| 04:48:30 | [57th]cneal | « 5Dead |
| 04:49:11 | Snake | heh |
| 04:49:18 | Snake | everyone says that -_-' |
| 04:49:33 | Snake | maybe one day youz will come up with something original :P |
| 04:50:15 | [57th]cneal | ¿ |
| 04:52:21 | [57th]cneal | http://www.planettribes.com/icqhud/webcam.html |
| 04:58:33 | Snake | whos room is that? |
| 04:58:39 | Bakemono | ? |
| 04:59:14 | Snake | hey bake |
| 04:59:30 | [57th]cneal | is away: Æ |
| 04:59:59 | Bakemono | heyo |
| 05:00:30 | [57th]cneal | I'ma go play games now |
| 05:00:57 | Bakemono | me too |
| 05:01:49 | Snake | lol |
| 05:01:51 | Snake | bye both of you |
| 05:02:12 | Bakemono | time for some CS goodness :D |
| 05:04:02 | Snake | heh |
| 05:35:21 | {55th}Sephiroth | hi |
| 06:25:30 | [57th]cneal|afk | is back (gone 01:03:08) |
| 07:27:51 | [57th]cneal|afk | ***¥µè ¡öß - ǵ· ÇÑ®Ý ÇÈñ¥µÀÏ(¢û68)*** |
| 15:31:31 | zwampy | hi coolman |
| 15:31:35 | CoolMan | hey |
| 15:31:39 | CoolMan | i have great news |
| 15:31:49 | zwampy | tell me |
| 15:32:03 | CoolMan | i am well on my way to having the controller implemented under Smoke |
| 15:32:03 | zwampy | we have a finanve specialist now |
| 15:32:11 | zwampy | COOOL!!!! |
| 15:32:30 | CoolMan | "finanve" i don't know this word |
| 15:35:22 | zwampy | finance |
| 15:35:41 | CoolMan | oh, ok |
| 16:21:04 | travis_143cw | Bake, cool: need to talk |
| 16:43:04 | travis_143cw | hello |
| 16:51:36 | Soopaman | hi travis |
| 16:51:37 | Soopaman | what's up |
| 16:56:44 | travis | not too much |
| 16:56:49 | travis | just at work, how about you? |
| 16:58:43 | travis | I just started coding on another TuxBox program... |
| 16:59:01 | travis | rather not for the tuxbox, but the TuxBox network server |
| 16:59:13 | travis | for online games, chat, etc. |
| 16:59:57 | travis | But the only thing that everyone is going to trip out about is that I am making it in Visual Basic (keep in mind only one machine has to run this so it isnt a big deal) |
| 17:00:32 | Soopaman | heh |
| 17:00:45 | Soopaman | i never understood why you guys always tried to re-invent the wheel |
| 17:05:45 | travis | well we aren't really |
| 17:07:52 | Soopaman | but you are wasting alot of time on redundant things |
| 17:10:11 | travis | what is redundant? |
| 17:11:12 | Soopaman | doing stuff that has already been done |
| 17:11:22 | Soopaman | ie re-creating the wheel |
| 17:11:41 | travis | what are we doing that is already done that you are talking about? |
| 17:12:00 | Soopaman | almost everything |
| 17:12:35 | Soopaman | i'm doing the same thing as you guys are, except i am using the xp embedded os, instead of nix |
| 17:13:49 | travis | ah, that is your problem... |
| 17:14:01 | travis | Well i am sorry... |
| 17:14:24 | Soopaman | you don't understand |
| 17:14:32 | travis | See that is the whole difference right there, you are using a closed source OS |
| 17:14:32 | Soopaman | instead of writing your chat app |
| 17:14:41 | travis | no it isnt a chat app |
| 17:14:50 | travis | it is more of a battlenet type server |
| 17:15:16 | Soopaman | unless you are writing your own device drivers, there really is no need to use an "open" source os |
| 17:15:29 | Soopaman | or is this just a pride thing |
| 17:16:00 | Soopaman | since you are handling only the software portion, whatever your build it ontop of does't matter |
| 17:16:29 | travis | we are actually writing some drivers also |
| 17:16:41 | travis | do you plan on selling these things? |
| 17:16:52 | Soopaman | selling which things? |
| 17:17:02 | travis | your embedded xp product |
| 17:17:36 | Soopaman | haven't decided yet, going to see which nt kernel'd os has the lowest licensing cost |
| 17:17:51 | travis | lol |
| 17:18:30 | Soopaman | but that licensing in comparision to my instant software base and familiarity is almost worth it |
| 17:18:41 | Soopaman | but it's looking at 60 per license |
| 17:19:17 | travis | ouch.... |
| 17:19:46 | travis | keep in mind we want to keep the OS open in case we have any issues, plus people like to play with things and they could even help out at their will |
| 17:19:56 | travis | plus $0 licensing fee |
| 17:20:26 | Soopaman | i don't understand why you need to keep the os open in case you have any issues? |
| 17:20:49 | Soopaman | drivers will always be drivers |
| 17:22:20 | Soopaman | and what person will want to play with things on the kernel level if you are selling a closed hardware box? |
| 17:22:21 | travis | microsoft sucks, take it or leave it... we dont need a huge company to depend on (plus they have very faulty products) |
| 17:23:17 | Soopaman | my only concern is that i just don't really see any direction, which is why i left the ui team a long time ago |
| 17:26:38 | travis | what do you need for direction? making an open-source game console with other multimedia capabilities... |
| 17:27:30 | travis | Our UI is doing great by the way |
| 17:27:56 | Soopaman | i don't recall asking about the ui, but that's cool |
| 17:28:02 | Soopaman | what i mean by direction |
| 17:28:14 | Soopaman | is that a set top box has to satisfy certain requirements |
| 17:28:39 | Soopaman | i don't see where you guys outline the requirements you want to meet |
| 17:28:48 | Soopaman | nor do you explain how you are to achieve them |
| 17:29:21 | Soopaman | you also have yet to see what open source alternatives that already exist out there, that could be seamlessly integrated into your program |
| 17:30:03 | Soopaman | ie your ui probably has already been done on sourceforge/in a nix app, but have you checked that out fully, or did you just start one from scratch |
| 17:30:45 | travis | It is our custom UI, and no we are not rewriting everything, we are porting several apps to the TB |
| 17:31:44 | Soopaman | and how is tb different than other pc's running nix? |
| 17:33:49 | travis | custom OS, custom interface, custom games, no maintence |
| 17:34:26 | Soopaman | ok |
| 17:34:26 | travis | how is a dreamcast different from any computer running windows CE? |
| 17:34:50 | Soopaman | so the interface and possibly the games will be custom |
| 17:35:20 | Soopaman | the os is nix and the no maintenance feature is a biproduct of the os |
| 17:35:41 | Soopaman | so it will be a mini kernel correct |
| 17:35:45 | travis | we are custom building the OS, we arent just loading redhat on or something... very specific HW needs |
| 17:35:58 | Soopaman | which is what i just said |
| 17:36:25 | Soopaman | it's a custom kernal, but build on a reference os (kernel deals with hardware devices only) |
| 17:37:59 | Soopaman | have you figured out how you intend to communicate with the TB? |
| 17:38:06 | Soopaman | keyboard/joystick only? |
| 17:41:30 | travis | more than likely joystick/mouse/keyboard |
| 17:42:00 | travis | some games are just better with mouse and keyboard (Quake series for example) |
| 17:43:56 | travis | lunch break |
| 17:43:57 | travis | bbl |
| 17:47:55 | Soopaman | well if this is supposed to be a console as opposed to a computer, you can't expect people to use a mouse/keyboard from their couch to play games on their computer |
| 18:37:00 | travis | soopaman: dreamcast has a mouse and keyboard also... |
| 18:55:20 | Soopaman | travis_143cw, but as it's primary form of control? |
| 18:55:59 | travis_143cw | no, i never said primary would be keyboard |
| 18:56:05 | travis_143cw | primary is controller |
| 18:56:40 | travis_143cw | you may want a keyboard for email or web browsing or chatting.... |
| 18:57:03 | Soopaman | i just don't really see why you are dumbing down a pc to a simple console... |
| 18:57:07 | Soopaman | but oh well |
| 18:57:09 | Soopaman | it's your company |
| 18:57:11 | Soopaman | your decision |
| 18:57:19 | Soopaman | and i still hope you guys can pull it off |
| 18:57:31 | Soopaman | 'cause that would be damn impressive |
| 18:57:55 | Soopaman | i tried, but i can't even find a good/standard platform builder for nix, so i gave up trying |
| 19:25:03 | travis_143cw | you gave up... says a lot... |
| 19:25:50 | Soopaman | heheh |
| 19:25:52 | Soopaman | nice try |
| 19:26:02 | Soopaman | i just choose to use my efforts and energy efficiently |
| 19:26:13 | Soopaman | instead of playing the pride game and proving nothing |
| 19:30:14 | travis_143cw | oh ok, so what are you trying to prove right now? |
| 19:40:34 | Soopaman | nothing |
| 19:40:50 | Soopaman | i am just making sure that you guys have finally figured out a strategic direction |
| 19:41:04 | Soopaman | and i'm also checking if you guys are still running off pride |
| 19:45:34 | travis_143cw | Well thank you for checking up on us... We are doing fine and making very good progress. |
| 20:04:01 | Soopaman | as for your game server |
| 20:04:07 | Soopaman | try to hook up with gaim |
| 20:04:12 | Soopaman | and use that as your portal |
| 20:04:19 | Soopaman | but put extra hooks into it |
| 20:04:42 | Soopaman | so you can have spanned game play, chat channels and regular im all off the same application |
| 20:04:43 | zwampy | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 20:04:52 | zwampy | I CANT FIND THE TUXBOX LOOK!¨ |
| 20:04:56 | zwampy | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 20:04:57 | zwampy | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 20:04:58 | zwampy | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 20:04:59 | zwampy | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 20:05:04 | Soopaman | which you can build hooks into your software |
| 20:05:05 | Soopaman | heh |
| 20:06:10 | zwampy | travis: do you have the .gif fæl? |
| 20:06:12 | zwampy | travis: do you have the .gif file? |
| 20:08:17 | travis_143cw | not qite sure |
| 20:08:20 | travis_143cw | the tb.gif? |
| 20:09:05 | zwampy | yes |
| 20:10:31 | travis_143cw | i can look... but i am not sure, one sec |
| 20:10:33 | zwampy | im gonna finish this webpage before friday |
| 20:11:35 | travis_143cw | execellant |
| 20:11:42 | travis_143cw | ah... |
| 20:11:46 | travis_143cw | nevermind |
| 20:11:59 | travis_143cw | i dont have the file here, but i can search my cache at home |
| 20:12:10 | travis_143cw | but i am going to head home now |
| 20:12:12 | travis_143cw | ttyl |
| 20:29:12 | Diablo-D3 | will brb |
| 20:35:40 | tareco | hey |
| 20:44:42 | Zypheus | *nods hello* |
| 20:45:16 | Zypheus | Travis; I know your afk, but hopefully you check the messages in here...I need that report ASAP; I can't do anything without it. |
| 20:46:17 | zwampy | Hi there |
| 20:46:25 | Zypheus | Ah hye |
| 20:46:27 | Zypheus | hey* |
| 20:46:35 | zwampy | If you want to see the new webpage it will be up tomorrow |
| 20:47:48 | Zypheus | k |
| 20:47:57 | Zypheus | Can I get a preview of the general layout? |
| 20:48:09 | zwampy | yes soon |
| 20:52:19 | Zypheus | k |
| 20:52:31 | Zypheus | Has anyone worked on this board thing? |
| 20:52:54 | zwampy | I have been thinking |
| 20:55:30 | Zypheus | any ideas? |
| 20:56:07 | Zypheus | ok zwampy, can i see the basic layout for the site so my friend can get a general idea about how he should approach the marketting? |
| 20:56:15 | Zypheus | hes got freetime tonight and wants to start working on it |
| 20:56:57 | zwampy | yes it will be ready in few min |
| 20:59:05 | zwampy | Is it good idea making a company around Tuxbox? |
| 21:00:16 | zwampy | wanna take a look? |
| 21:01:12 | Zypheus | yes |
| 21:01:18 | Zypheus | yeah |
| 21:01:39 | Zypheus | url? |
| 21:01:54 | zwampy | wait |
| 21:01:54 | zwampy | uploading |
| 21:02:13 | zwampy | www.simnet.is/gsm/tb2.gif |
| 21:02:52 | zwampy | im working on this |
| 21:05:33 | Zypheus | i see |
| 21:05:34 | Zypheus | nice |
| 21:06:07 | zwampy | they want little dark but i want some colors |
| 21:06:34 | zwampy | so this is what I made |
| 21:07:30 | Zypheus | *nods* |
| 21:07:31 | Zypheus | nice |
| 21:07:41 | Zypheus | okay he just wanted to know the general look of the site |
| 21:07:43 | zwampy | thx |
| 21:08:02 | Zypheus | because if he goes out and makes a colorful fluffy bunny kinda advertising campaign, then poeple goto the site and its dark and dreary... |
| 21:08:06 | Zypheus | its not a ncie effect |
| 21:08:47 | zwampy | no its not |
| 21:09:04 | Zypheus | hehe |
| 21:09:06 | zwampy | one thing |
| 21:09:09 | Zypheus | yeah |
| 21:09:17 | zwampy | do we want image in the header? |
| 21:09:25 | travis|afk | hello guys |
| 21:09:31 | zwampy | hi travis |
| 21:09:34 | Zypheus | logo? |
| 21:09:35 | zwampy | I gote a new look |
| 21:09:44 | zwampy | its the bestone so far |
| 21:09:45 | Zypheus | hey trav |
| 21:09:46 | travis|afk | lets see zwampy |
| 21:09:48 | zwampy | http://www.simnet.is/gsm/tb2.gif |
| 21:10:16 | Zypheus | its a nice look |
| 21:10:34 | travis|afk | konquerer seems to be having issues, one sec |
| 21:11:01 | Zypheus | k |
| 21:11:13 | Zypheus | Trav; In case u didnt get the message...Try to work on that report |
| 21:11:32 | travis|afk | i have started already, but not quite finished |
| 21:12:09 | Zypheus | ah ok |
| 21:12:13 | Zypheus | just...as soon as you can |
| 21:12:30 | travis|afk | so how much money can we look for? from what source? |
| 21:13:03 | zwampy | Zypheus: Can we got money from companies like Mandrake or Redhat? |
| 21:13:30 | Zypheus | Well, After I check over your report and read it and such I can goto several sources I have (as a financial advisor for multiple companies and a town in COnnecticut, You could imagine I have some) and see if they could support us...if they can, then I'll give you the options and see where it goes from there |
| 21:13:50 | Zypheus | zwampy: Yes, it's possible...I don't know anyone there but could try. |
| 21:14:11 | zwampy | ok |
| 21:14:15 | travis|afk | what does the tiny print look like? are they gonna take our souls in return or what? |
| 21:14:34 | Zypheus | No...probably if we goto Redhat or something, they'll ask that they get recognition for some little things |
| 21:14:46 | Zypheus | like on the boxes we could be required to have a sticker that says "Powered by Redhat" |
| 21:14:48 | Zypheus | or something |
| 21:14:58 | CoolMan | hey |
| 21:15:02 | Zypheus | hey |
| 21:15:09 | CoolMan | thx trav |
| 21:15:12 | travis|afk | yep |
| 21:15:23 | Zypheus | :) |
| 21:15:37 | Zypheus | I don't knwo if we CAN get redhat, but I used it just as an example |
| 21:15:50 | Zypheus | Thats part of the reason I need the report... |
| 21:15:55 | Zypheus | So I can see who to hit up for money |
| 21:16:16 | zwampy | I think Mandrake is supporting projects |
| 21:16:26 | Zypheus | Yeah |
| 21:16:45 | travis|afk | what inspired you to help us out? |
| 21:16:53 | Zypheus | Well... |
| 21:17:13 | Zypheus | I personally always dreamed (as a child) to work with Videogame companies...to help them get big, make games and stuff |
| 21:17:19 | Zypheus | But I hated the idea of programming |
| 21:17:28 | Zypheus | So I wasjust looking around a few weeks ago |
| 21:17:31 | Zypheus | and saw this project |
| 21:17:38 | Zypheus | and since it was open source, I figured I might be able to help out |
| 21:17:57 | travis|afk | cool |
| 21:18:07 | CoolMan | sweet |
| 21:18:08 | travis|afk | how long does this report have to be? |
| 21:18:22 | Zypheus | I dunno; No specific length, just as long as it has the information I need |
| 21:18:32 | CoolMan | so what is it you want to do to help us man? |
| 21:18:52 | Zypheus | Financial stuff, and I have a good friend who can get us support...marketting...ect |
| 21:19:01 | travis|afk | Zypheus: tell me the required info. project goals? what else? |
| 21:19:31 | Zypheus | Project Goals, hardware sopecs, Software specs (like what is this build of linux ur running based on?) |
| 21:19:32 | Zypheus | things like tat |
| 21:19:32 | zwampy | CoolMan: http://www.simnet.is/gsm/tb2.gif |
| 21:19:40 | zwampy | Travis: Do you like the layout? |
| 21:20:04 | travis|afk | yes i do, is there content in there yet or no? could you put a test html site up for it? like a development one? |
| 21:20:15 | Zypheus | Another thing I might consider is a donation kinda deal for the website |
| 21:20:19 | zwampy | yes im working on this all |
| 21:20:38 | Zypheus | From talking to some of the people in the community, some of them are pretty well off and might donate a little |
| 21:21:02 | zwampy | ok |
| 21:21:10 | travis|afk | true |
| 21:21:17 | CoolMan | brb |
| 21:21:25 | Zypheus | Just as a little secondary kinda thing |
| 21:21:37 | Zypheus | the majority of funding will be from companies |
| 21:21:44 | zwampy | yes |
| 21:23:08 | CoolMan | hmmmmm |
| 21:23:26 | Zypheus | Also I really want to work on getting the "Tuxbox Board" together |
| 21:23:32 | zwampy | Yes |
| 21:23:36 | CoolMan | so you know about financing, and can help present our case to major companies? |
| 21:23:37 | zwampy | I want that too |
| 21:23:46 | Zypheus | CoolMan: Yeah. |
| 21:23:53 | CoolMan | sweet |
| 21:23:53 | Zypheus | THe board is KEY to the products success |
| 21:23:55 | zwampy | brb |
| 21:24:10 | CoolMan | are you talking about, like, a company board? |
| 21:24:12 | Zypheus | If the board is not formed, then the people behind the product are generally un organized, just do whatever they want... |
| 21:24:36 | Zypheus | I was thinking like a congress-type deal |
| 21:24:45 | Zypheus | only...well... |
| 21:24:47 | Zypheus | okay |
| 21:24:53 | Zypheus | You have everyone involved in the making of it |
| 21:24:56 | Zypheus | the main people |
| 21:25:05 | CoolMan | sorry, brb |
| 21:25:11 | Zypheus | and we have weekly meetings, and whenever there is a choice to be made about the project, they have to bring it up |
| 21:25:23 | Zypheus | and then if its a votable-type thing they vote |
| 21:25:31 | Zypheus | and if its passed, then you change the thing |
| 21:25:37 | Zypheus | if not, oh well. |
| 21:25:50 | travis|afk | i feel that is a little too official... |
| 21:25:59 | Zypheus | perhaps |
| 21:26:02 | Zypheus | Its jsut a general idea |
| 21:26:16 | travis|afk | some things just shouldnt have to come down to that |
| 21:26:23 | Zypheus | yes i know |
| 21:26:35 | Zypheus | i mean things like signing on a company to fund us... |
| 21:26:39 | Zypheus | like |
| 21:26:57 | Zypheus | maybe some people have problems with the company that are willing to help us |
| 21:27:01 | travis|afk | we all have lifes outside of the TuxBox, it is hard to make a standard meeting time... although for the last few weeks we have all met on sunday mornings at 1:00pm eastern time |
| 21:27:15 | Zypheus | *nods* |
| 21:28:15 | Zypheus | Yeah |
| 21:29:26 | Zypheus | now... |
| 21:29:33 | Zypheus | is the product TuxBox the set name |
| 21:29:35 | Zypheus | or no? |
| 21:30:03 | travis|afk | As of now yes |
| 21:30:21 | travis|afk | at least the product name, maybe not the model, i dont know |
| 21:30:31 | Zypheus | *nods* |
| 21:30:37 | Zypheus | Is it under copyright protection? |
| 21:31:03 | travis|afk | no, we havent done that yet |
| 21:31:10 | CoolMan | sorry, back now |
| 21:31:17 | Zypheus | ah ok |
| 21:31:56 | CoolMan | i was considering the assembally of the board |
| 21:32:11 | CoolMan | i think that should be preformed be travis |
| 21:32:27 | Zypheus | yes |
| 21:32:32 | Zypheus | 0. |
| 21:32:40 | CoolMan | because we cannot model our project after democracy |
| 21:32:58 | Zypheus | *nods* |
| 21:33:16 | CoolMan | otherwise people would "vote" for whatever they thought would be best for them (not the project) |
| 21:33:21 | Zypheus | yes |
| 21:33:28 | travis|afk | that is what i said... |
| 21:33:41 | CoolMan | decisions should come down to the leaders in various areas, and ultimately to travis |
| 21:34:23 | Zypheus | yeah |
| 21:34:26 | Zypheus | thats what i meant |
| 21:34:42 | CoolMan | the board should (ideally) be composed of leaders and other VIPs who obviously would not put themselves before the project |
| 21:35:45 | CoolMan | but the board would (again ideally) be no more then discussion, to present facts, and opinions |
| 21:35:55 | CoolMan | not to make desisions for the leaders |
| 21:36:15 | CoolMan | now reigns in the endless rant. |
| 21:36:25 | Zypheus | agrees |
| 21:37:38 | CoolMan | travis|afk: will this report be open to developers? |
| 21:38:42 | CoolMan | hellooo |
| 21:40:09 | Zypheus | hehe |
| 21:40:11 | Zypheus | I dunno |
| 21:40:13 | Zypheus | Dont ask me |
| 21:40:26 | zwampy_ | ok |
| 21:40:29 | zwampy_ | im back |
| 21:40:32 | CoolMan | hey |
| 21:40:39 | CoolMan | WB |
| 21:41:16 | zwampy_ | thx |
| 21:41:24 | zwampy_ | how is adsl config in Redhat? |
| 21:41:47 | CoolMan | never ussed it |
| 21:42:02 | Zypheus | doesn't know anything about computers |
| 21:42:10 | zwampy_ | ok |
| 21:42:13 | zwampy_ | np |
| 21:42:14 | Zypheus | knows AOL, Windows, Word, and a few other programs |
| 21:42:33 | zwampy_ | but you know open source? |
| 21:42:50 | Zypheus | uhh |
| 21:42:51 | Zypheus | what |
| 21:43:00 | Zypheus | I read this magizing about open source stuff |
| 21:43:07 | CoolMan | hey Zypheus, i was gonna say, it's kindof funny. |
| 21:43:26 | Zypheus | What's kinda funny? |
| 21:43:28 | CoolMan | your story about being involved with the tuxbox is kindof the same, and oppisite to my story |
| 21:43:36 | CoolMan | at the same time |
| 21:43:56 | CoolMan | i have allways wanted to be involved with video games, but i love programming |
| 21:44:37 | CoolMan | then i was so disgusted with the lack of a platform i could write games for, i looked around the internet, and found the tuxbox |
| 21:44:44 | Zypheus | :) |
| 21:44:53 | CoolMan | kindof funny |
| 21:44:55 | CoolMan | i thought |
| 21:45:04 | zwampy_ | www.simnet.is/gsm/tb3.gif |
| 21:45:12 | CoolMan | checking |
| 21:45:44 | zwampy_ | i hope you like this |
| 21:45:49 | CoolMan | it's good |
| 21:46:01 | CoolMan | i don't understand your development process |
| 21:46:47 | zwampy_ | no |
| 21:46:53 | Zypheus | what |
| 21:46:54 | zwampy_ | noone dose |
| 21:47:05 | Zypheus | lol |
| 21:47:13 | CoolMan | hehe |
| 21:48:04 | travis|afk | who is the chinese girl and where did you get her? |
| 21:48:06 | travis|afk | =P |
| 21:48:13 | CoolMan | lol |
| 21:48:29 | zwampy_ | haha |
| 21:48:30 | zwampy_ | i found it on the internet |
| 21:48:31 | zwampy_ | and I like it :) |
| 21:49:04 | travis|afk | but i dont think a little chinese girl is appropriete for the site...? people might get the wrong idea about our site... lol |
| 21:49:15 | CoolMan | i was about to say... |
| 21:49:16 | zwampy_ | lol |
| 21:49:29 | zwampy_ | I like it :> |
| 21:49:51 | travis|afk | thats ok, but i am not into underage asain porn (i guess we all have our preferences) |
| 21:49:51 | travis|afk | =P |
| 21:49:59 | CoolMan | hmmm |
| 21:50:09 | travis|afk | Zypheus: are you around? |
| 21:50:12 | CoolMan | acually, i have been thinking about this for a while |
| 21:50:32 | CoolMan | and i decided i should say what i think |
| 21:50:38 | travis|afk | ?? |
| 21:51:49 | CoolMan | i think we should decide now that we are going to make this project somthing that is not inappropriate for anybody (even little kids) and we should discourage anybody from producing any inappropriate content |
| 21:52:04 | travis | whoa... what? |
| 21:52:10 | CoolMan | otherwise, we will continue to joke about stuff |
| 21:52:27 | CoolMan | and then we will have some sicko take us seriously |
| 21:52:53 | travis | confused... you think we should what? |
| 21:53:06 | CoolMan | keep off the porn subject |
| 21:54:03 | travis | sorry mom =P |
| 21:54:22 | CoolMan | i mean, otherwise, we will start attracting the wrong developers, and the wrong user base |
| 21:54:40 | CoolMan | i know, i must sound like a wuss |
| 21:54:49 | CoolMan | but think about it |
| 21:54:53 | travis | lol, we arent attracting porn addicts, we brought it up joking, its not a very big deal |
| 21:55:04 | CoolMan | i know it's not a big deal now |
| 21:55:27 | CoolMan | i even thought about not bringing it up |
| 21:55:36 | travis | and people who develop porn software should just... i dont know, but they shouldnt do it for TB or something |
| 21:55:54 | CoolMan | yeah, that's what i'm saying |
| 21:56:21 | CoolMan | we should just draw a line for the sickos who might try to cross it |
| 21:57:25 | travis | yeah its to your discretion if you decide to kick/ban someone... but keep freedom of speech in your mind, it is important |
| 21:57:35 | CoolMan | huh? |
| 21:57:49 | travis | your an OP, you can kick people out of here... |
| 21:57:58 | CoolMan | i know, i never have tho |
| 21:58:06 | CoolMan | except bakemono, as a joke |
| 21:58:14 | travis | thats cause there isnt a porn problem in the room.... |
| 21:58:20 | CoolMan | yep |
| 21:58:31 | CoolMan | rm Makefile~ |
| 21:58:34 | CoolMan | oops |
| 21:58:35 | travis | except for ibot, he is nympho |
| 21:58:35 | CoolMan | drat |
| 21:58:40 | travis | =P |
| 22:00:09 | travis | well i will be back later, i am going to lay down, still feel a little sick |
| 22:00:16 | CoolMan | sorry, cya |
| 22:00:23 | travis | will you be here later? |
| 22:00:27 | travis | oh coolman |
| 22:00:30 | CoolMan | might |
| 22:00:32 | CoolMan | yeah? |
| 22:00:42 | travis | this is going to sound retarded but.... |
| 22:01:24 | travis | The whole networking issue... i thought of some good ways to do it (server side) |
| 22:01:36 | travis | kind of like a battlenet type deal |
| 22:01:42 | CoolMan | ok |
| 22:01:57 | CoolMan | the only problem still remains |
| 22:01:57 | travis | so i started coding the server... |
| 22:02:02 | CoolMan | really? |
| 22:02:04 | travis | oh no here is the problem..... |
| 22:03:04 | travis | since i dont know c or c++ too well (no networking at all), i was bored at work and started coding the server in VB (*gasp*), but i have good networking skills in vb and the program would only need to be ran on 1 machine, but others could make servers also |
| 22:03:28 | travis | what do you think? |
| 22:03:50 | travis | i know VB sorta sucks, but i will get it too work in a fairly nice period of time |
| 22:03:51 | CoolMan | i think anything that is done with vb should be experimentation only |
| 22:04:05 | CoolMan | never acually use it |
| 22:04:26 | travis | i already have it set up so it can have 3000 simeltaneous connections at once |
| 22:04:26 | CoolMan | because VB is slow, is is unstable, and i don't know of any way to get it to run on linux |
| 22:04:29 | travis | i could easily add more |
| 22:04:45 | CoolMan | that's good |
| 22:04:56 | CoolMan | but we should code it in a real language |
| 22:05:00 | CoolMan | i mean seriously |
| 22:05:09 | travis | well this is what i was thinking.... |
| 22:05:11 | CoolMan | somthing that could be maintained |
| 22:06:11 | travis | I code it completely in VB... I code whenever i can and as much as i can until i get version 1.0, if it is way to slow, i will then code it in c++ (while i learn networking)... |
| 22:06:36 | travis | but for the system i have set up, speed shouldn't be a problem |
| 22:07:25 | travis | keep in mind that i am a Very good VB programmer (cause i have done it for 6 years and worked in it for 3) |
| 22:07:49 | CoolMan | hmmm |
| 22:08:06 | CoolMan | can it run on linux? |
| 22:08:12 | travis | i will try |
| 22:08:17 | CoolMan | if not, i think it's a bad idea |
| 22:08:21 | travis | hopefully wine could run it |
| 22:08:27 | CoolMan | oh ow |
| 22:08:31 | CoolMan | no way man |
| 22:08:41 | CoolMan | that's just as unstable as windows |
| 22:08:58 | CoolMan | wine just keep it from corrupting the whole OS |
| 22:09:51 | travis | stability should be fine though, i have coded uptime necessary VB applications. |
| 22:10:30 | travis | I can design the system 2 ways.... |
| 22:10:44 | CoolMan | ls |
| 22:10:48 | CoolMan | oops again |
| 22:11:07 | travis | This would sort of act like the DC network |
| 22:11:37 | CoolMan | i understand how it would work |
| 22:11:54 | CoolMan | but i think it will be a *very* bad idea for it to be in VB |
| 22:12:10 | travis | 1.) community chat through the server, online games (including data) through the server (making many player games easy for the developer), but has slow speed |
| 22:12:15 | travis | and 2... |
| 22:13:11 | travis | 2.) just chat through server and game initialization (but the game must do its own networking for multiplayer, server would pass the IP address's to the players for the system to set itself up |
| 22:13:30 | travis | we need one of those types of systems either way |
| 22:13:32 | CoolMan | hmmm |
| 22:13:47 | CoolMan | i like 1 |
| 22:13:49 | travis | we cant expect people to memorize their buddies dynamic IP addresses.... |
| 22:14:08 | CoolMan | but... it can't be in VB |
| 22:14:19 | travis | you think passing all data through the server for the games is a good idea? |
| 22:14:27 | travis | that could be a lot of traffic for the server |
| 22:14:37 | CoolMan | hmmm |
| 22:14:44 | CoolMan | consider napster |
| 22:14:56 | travis | exactly.... that is like #2 |
| 22:15:00 | CoolMan | but the developer will hate us |
| 22:15:29 | travis | very true. i mean, i could set it up so they could use it as a client SOOO easily |
| 22:15:35 | CoolMan | i think if we do #2, we would have to supply a **C** library for p2p type |
| 22:15:44 | CoolMan | using the server |
| 22:15:57 | travis | yes we would |
| 22:16:05 | CoolMan | acually, we should do a library anyway |
| 22:16:11 | travis | yes |
| 22:16:51 | travis | but making the server in VB shouldnt matter too much, it is just a standard TCP connect (you could even telnet into the server and type stuff) |
| 22:17:00 | CoolMan | but the server can't be in VB |
| 22:17:09 | CoolMan | because it's slow |
| 22:17:17 | travis | fine i am writing it in COBOL!! now you have done it! =P |
| 22:17:37 | CoolMan | it's an interpreted language running on an unstable emulated os |
| 22:17:42 | CoolMan | sound safe? |
| 22:17:45 | travis | lol |
| 22:17:48 | CoolMan | lol |
| 22:18:02 | travis | fine, i will do the framework in VB, then attempt to port to c++ |
| 22:18:15 | CoolMan | make it C man |
| 22:18:24 | travis | that way i can just print it out and translate to c |
| 22:18:31 | travis | c++ is better i think |
| 22:18:45 | CoolMan | no reason to use c++ for such a simple program |
| 22:19:24 | travis | i like c++ |
| 22:19:51 | CoolMan | it's less portable |
| 22:20:37 | travis | yeah but it has classes and objects, and no more printf crap! lol |
| 22:21:18 | CoolMan | nobody has ever explained to me what an "object" or a "class" is |
| 22:21:26 | CoolMan | from a C standpoint |
| 22:21:43 | travis | you dont even know c++? |
| 22:21:54 | travis | thats cool |
| 22:22:06 | CoolMan | except my dad, (who has an intimate knowledge of both) who scoffs at the c++ flooy as a way to ignore pointers |
| 22:22:23 | CoolMan | i don't know c++, because it's hard to understand |
| 22:23:09 | travis | i think c++ is easier |
| 22:23:15 | travis | it is almost just like c |
| 22:23:20 | CoolMan | they don't dare say, "an object is like a structure" or whatever, because they like making object oriented programming mysteroius |
| 22:25:11 | travis | a class is what makes up an object (the code).. an object is just that, an object based on a class. Objects can have private, public, or protected data constants and variables. an object also can have built in functions. great for data encapsulation and very easy to move your class around to re-use your code |
| 22:25:35 | CoolMan | uh... |
| 22:25:36 | travis | that is more or less what i was tought |
| 22:25:57 | CoolMan | so an object is kindof like a subroutine |
| 22:26:06 | travis | we are learning java right now at school... it is ALL classes and objects, you have to have them |
| 22:26:20 | travis | well you could say: |
| 22:26:23 | CoolMan | and a class is like a struct, but it can hold subroutines? |
| 22:26:36 | CoolMan | is that *kindof* it? |
| 22:26:51 | travis | (instead of "int num1; you could have "myClass car" |
| 22:26:59 | travis | sortof like a struct |
| 22:27:20 | CoolMan | except it can hold subroutines |
| 22:27:25 | CoolMan | right? |
| 22:27:30 | travis | so you could do things like "car.get_data();" and that would load up the get_data() function |
| 22:27:53 | CoolMan | ummm, the same things are accomplished with C and pointers |
| 22:27:57 | travis | yes, and what you declare the fucntions/variables as is important also |
| 22:28:08 | travis | public: int x; |
| 22:28:11 | CoolMan | like, a struct can have a pointer to a subroutine |
| 22:28:21 | travis | private ~myClass(); |
| 22:28:51 | travis | "protected: char name[]="Travis";" |
| 22:29:41 | travis | they also have a constructer and destructer. a constructer is called when an object is created based off the class, and destructer is called when the object is destroyed |
| 22:30:12 | CoolMan | so basically, you can declare variables as globle (or not) wherever |
| 22:30:39 | CoolMan | and you can construct (malloc) and destruct (free) classes? |
| 22:31:31 | travis | still havent used malloc |
| 22:31:42 | travis | there is a new keyword in c++ called "new" |
| 22:31:50 | travis | i dont think that is in c though |
| 22:32:15 | travis | well i will be back in a bit, have to shovel the driveway... |
| 22:32:19 | travis | bbl |
| 22:32:25 | CoolMan | it's like, you could have a pointer to a struct, but no memory for the struct, then you make the memory for the struct (malloc) and make the pointer point to the new memory |
| 22:34:31 | tareco | bye dewds |
| 22:39:44 | [57th]cneal|afk | is back (gone 02:04:01) |
| 23:46:23 | travis | hey |
| 23:47:16 | Bakemono | travo! |
| 23:47:43 | Bakemono | I just got a cool book on computer science :D |
| 23:47:48 | Bakemono | it's called "Computer Science" |
| 23:47:48 | travis | nice |
| 23:48:18 | Bakemono | supposedly it's pretty standard |
| 23:48:42 | Bakemono | and it sticks to psuedo code for examples, which is nice |
| 23:48:57 | Bakemono | instead of having to try and understand pascal or something horid like that |
| 23:49:10 | travis | yeah... |
| 23:49:55 | Bakemono | you should check out the LGME message board sometime |
| 23:50:00 | Bakemono | introduce yourself |
| 23:50:01 | Bakemono | oh oh oh |
| 23:50:11 | Bakemono | there was some guy on the tuxbox board |
| 23:50:28 | Bakemono | he said he had a deal with you |
| 23:50:49 | Bakemono | or did I dream that? |
| 23:50:51 | travis | with what? who? |
| 23:51:02 | Bakemono | FUCK |
| 23:51:06 | Bakemono | I hope that wasn't some lame dream |
| 23:51:36 | Bakemono | Zypheus |
| 23:52:16 | travis | i spoke to him yes |
| 23:52:36 | Bakemono | his post made it sound like something big was goin' down |
| 23:52:44 | Bakemono | I'm Zypheus, a name you may be seeing in the future quite often if my deal with Travis goes through. |
| 23:52:57 | travis | :-) give me a link! |
| 23:52:58 | Bakemono | his grammer could use some work... |
| 23:53:02 | Bakemono | http://www.tuxboxproject.com/tforum/viewtopic.php?TopicID=247#1549 |
| 23:54:28 | travis | nice, yes i spoke to him several times |
| 23:54:36 | travis | can i send you something for you to read? |
| 23:54:42 | Bakemono | yes |
| 23:54:42 | travis | and edit it up more |
| 23:54:53 | Bakemono | me edit? |
| 23:54:54 | Bakemono | heh |
| 23:54:54 | Bakemono | ok |
| 23:55:06 | travis | i am supposed to write a tuxbox report basically stating our goals, tuxbox capabilities, etc |
| 23:55:12 | Bakemono | oh |
| 23:55:13 | Bakemono | ok |
| 23:55:20 | Bakemono | I'm probably a good person to help edit |
| 23:55:21 | travis | this is for Zypheus, so help me out |
| 23:55:27 | travis | i will email it to you |
| 23:55:34 | Bakemono | damn it |
| 23:55:37 | Bakemono | I think I'm sick |
| 23:55:54 | travis | you want it in plain text? |
| 23:55:57 | Bakemono | please |
| 23:56:02 | travis | k |
| 23:56:09 | Bakemono | I'm a plain text kinda guy ya know? |
| 23:57:13 | travis | yep |
| 23:57:15 | travis | sent |
| 23:57:30 | travis | please add content and feel free to revise mine. make it look professional |
| 23:57:52 | travis | try to send it to me before 7 pm your time (9pm mine)tonight |
| 23:58:10 | [57th]cneal|afk | :D |
| 23:58:16 | Bakemono | where'd you send it? |
| 23:58:23 | travis | bakemono@tuxboxproject.com |
| 23:58:28 | Bakemono | ok |
| 23:58:40 | Bakemono | that's why it's taking so long |
| 23:58:54 | travis | this deal is sorta based on time... so please do as much as you can |
| 23:58:54 | Bakemono | I'd have finished by now if you'd sent it to bakemono@scurvypenguin.net! |
| 23:59:02 | Bakemono | I will |
| 23:59:12 | travis | also, when can you release an .iso of the OS? |
| 23:59:13 | Bakemono | since I won't be going anywhere tonite or tommorow |
| 23:59:15 | Bakemono | cause I'm sick |
| 23:59:16 | travis | how is the OS? |
| 23:59:22 | Bakemono | any time really... |
| 23:59:26 | Bakemono | the os, is coming along |
| 23:59:45 | [57th]cneal|afk | Say/add: we need lots and lots of money for TuxBox flags |
| 23:59:46 | Bakemono | the last time I touched it was when I was going to try and make it boot up dgi from a CD |
| 23:59:57 | Bakemono | [57th]cneal|afk: you moron |
