| 00:20:52 | Snake | travis |
| 00:21:15 | Snake | you there? |
| 00:21:26 | Snake | i want you to take a look at this |
| 00:23:02 | Snake | bah |
| 00:23:03 | Snake | np |
| 00:23:07 | Snake | nm* |
| 00:23:13 | Snake | ill talk to ya when your on |
| 00:23:15 | Snake | bye |
| 00:29:25 | travis_143cw | hello |
| 00:29:31 | travis_143cw | i clicked recieved. |
| 00:29:43 | travis_143cw | ah, suppertime, i will be back |
| 01:09:13 | [57th]cneal | mmm |
| 01:09:21 | [57th]cneal | is back (gone 02:07:21) |
| 03:56:59 | Snake | travis or bake? |
| 03:57:02 | Snake | one of you there? |
| 04:10:08 | Snake | h |
| 04:10:09 | Snake | fgh |
| 04:10:10 | Snake | g |
| 04:10:12 | Snake | h |
| 04:10:13 | Snake | fgh |
| 04:10:14 | Snake | fgh |
| 04:12:32 | [57th]cneal | :D |
| 04:12:59 | Snake | hey cneal |
| 04:13:06 | [57th]cneal | hi |
| 04:13:20 | Snake | tell me a 3d format you have the software to view and ill send you my ed tuxbox model |
| 04:13:59 | Snake | 3d* |
| 04:16:27 | Snake | ... |
| 04:27:27 | [57th]cneal | is away: I'm away! |
| 04:28:01 | Snake | bah |
| 04:36:04 | Snake | ... |
| 04:36:05 | Snake | . |
| 04:36:06 | Snake | . |
| 04:36:08 | Snake | . |
| 04:36:09 | Snake | . |
| 04:36:10 | Snake | ... |
| 04:36:11 | Snake | ........ |
| 04:36:12 | Snake | ...................... |
| 04:36:13 | Snake | ................ |
| 04:36:14 | Snake | ............... |
| 04:36:15 | Snake | ........ |
| 04:36:17 | Snake | ...... |
| 04:36:19 | Snake | .. |
| 04:36:21 | Snake | . |
| 04:38:05 | cronotrg | bah.. im finally here, |
| 04:39:23 | cronotrg | but since the olympics are taking place right now in my back yard, I am unable to get onto any ISP which is not a sponsor of tha games. so untill the games are over, I will be unable to do anything for you guys... sorry |
| 04:41:25 | Snake | nvc cvbd |
| 04:41:27 | Snake | VxcvCxvxvv |
| 04:41:28 | Snake | v |
| 04:41:29 | Snake | f |
| 04:41:30 | Snake | g |
| 04:41:31 | Snake | fdg |
| 04:41:32 | Snake | df |
| 04:43:00 | [57th]cneal | damn, thats gotta suck |
| 04:43:12 | Snake | what? |
| 04:43:13 | Snake | oh |
| 04:43:20 | Snake | the olypics thing |
| 04:43:21 | Snake | heh |
| 04:43:33 | Snake | tell me a 3d format you have the software to view |
| 04:44:41 | Snake | ... |
| 04:44:59 | Snake | hello? |
| 04:45:00 | Snake | cneal? |
| 05:12:50 | [57th]cneal | back |
| 05:12:55 | [57th]cneal | is back (gone 00:45:27) |
| 05:13:08 | [57th]cneal | Hi snake |
| 05:51:51 | Snake | 13,13'6,6'11,11'10,10'15,15'1,15=)15,15'10,10'11,11'6,6'13,13'0,0'13,13'6,6'11,11'10,10'15,15'1,15 Hiya How Are Ya? 15,15'10,10'11,11'6,6'13,13'0,0'13,13'6,6'11,11'10,10'15,15'1,15=)15,15'10,10'11,11'6,6'13,13' |
| 05:51:55 | Snake | lol |
| 05:51:58 | Snake | stupid script |
| 05:52:07 | Snake | what an ugly script |
| 05:52:21 | Snake | who the fuck would want to be greeted bye such a horrible mix or colours |
| 06:15:52 | PhrostByte | lol |
| 06:26:04 | Snake | hey |
| 06:41:39 | PhrostByte | yo |
| 06:49:33 | Snake | wassup? |
| 06:58:38 | [57th]cneal | is away: I'm away! |
| 07:04:52 | PhrostByte | nothin |
| 07:05:03 | PhrostByte | how's the box goin> |
| 07:05:08 | PhrostByte | ->+? |
| 07:06:40 | Snake | good i suppose |
| 07:07:00 | PhrostByte | your not deving it? |
| 07:07:07 | Snake | yes i am |
| 07:07:17 | PhrostByte | ah |
| 07:07:20 | Snake | wanna see a 3d model of it? |
| 07:07:24 | PhrostByte | yea sure |
| 07:07:25 | Snake | one i made today |
| 07:07:34 | Snake | what 3d format can you take? |
| 07:07:44 | PhrostByte | hmm.. well I've not got any model viewers |
| 07:07:58 | PhrostByte | can take a screenshot of it? |
| 07:08:00 | Snake | :/ |
| 07:08:14 | Snake | nah, it comes out all bad quality and shit |
| 07:08:19 | PhrostByte | oh |
| 07:08:29 | PhrostByte | well what's a good model viewer for windows? |
| 07:08:39 | Snake | ummm |
| 07:08:42 | Snake | milkshape3d.com |
| 07:08:46 | Snake | or |
| 07:09:03 | Snake | the MDL viewer at milkshape.com |
| 07:09:09 | Snake | the MDL viewer would be best |
| 07:09:17 | Snake | milkshape3d.com* |
| 07:09:33 | PhrostByte | hehe sweet a quake model ;) I dev QuakeForge |
| 07:10:25 | Snake | kool |
| 07:11:01 | PhrostByte | alright got it |
| 07:11:04 | PhrostByte | link/dcc? |
| 07:11:48 | Snake | dcc |
| 07:11:51 | Snake | wait |
| 07:11:57 | Snake | umm |
| 07:11:59 | Snake | hold a sec |
| 07:12:08 | Snake | ill upload it onto the net in MDL format |
| 07:12:23 | PhrostByte | k |
| 07:12:27 | PhrostByte | doesn't matter to me |
| 07:12:37 | PhrostByte | whatever's best for you |
| 07:12:44 | Snake | oh |
| 07:12:48 | Snake | how about a quake format |
| 07:13:04 | Snake | MD2 or MD3 |
| 07:13:52 | PhrostByte | ok |
| 07:13:54 | PhrostByte | MD2 |
| 07:14:12 | PhrostByte | unless it uses the full detail of MD3 |
| 07:14:19 | PhrostByte | cuz then I'll take the md3 |
| 07:14:57 | PhrostByte | lol!! the maker of that prog obviously doesn't know a .mdl is a quake model, not halflife |
| 07:15:45 | Snake | heh |
| 07:16:08 | PhrostByte | :( |
| 07:16:12 | PhrostByte | is it uploaded yet? |
| 07:17:32 | Snake | no |
| 07:17:36 | Snake | stupid fucking thing isnt wokring |
| 07:17:39 | Snake | working* |
| 07:18:22 | PhrostByte | hmm |
| 07:18:26 | PhrostByte | just DCC then |
| 07:18:34 | Snake | no |
| 07:18:44 | Snake | the program wont export it as a md2 |
| 07:18:46 | Snake | or md3 |
| 07:18:49 | PhrostByte | oh |
| 07:18:49 | Snake | neither work |
| 07:19:11 | PhrostByte | well I downloaded the modeler just give me the original one |
| 07:20:21 | Snake | k |
| 07:20:28 | Snake | but then you need all the skins too |
| 07:20:33 | Snake | so ill zip it all |
| 07:20:34 | PhrostByte | ok |
| 07:22:36 | Snake | lol im wokring at 56k here |
| 07:23:33 | Snake | so it take a few min to upload |
| 07:23:35 | PhrostByte | oh sorry.. my 16Mbit ass will stfu then |
| 07:23:53 | Snake | heh |
| 07:24:01 | PhrostByte | lol |
| 07:24:08 | Snake | lucky anus hole |
| 07:24:27 | PhrostByte | yep |
| 07:24:32 | PhrostByte | ;) I'm happy |
| 07:24:42 | PhrostByte | just $50 a month too |
| 07:25:08 | Snake | http://snake.scurvypenguin.net/tuxbox.zip |
| 07:25:25 | Snake | work? |
| 07:25:57 | PhrostByte | no |
| 07:26:07 | Snake | shit |
| 07:26:11 | Snake | hold a sec |
| 07:26:16 | PhrostByte | just DCC it to me |
| 07:26:29 | Snake | stupid linux servers heh |
| 07:27:23 | Snake | http://eow.scurvypenguin.net/tuxbox.zip |
| 07:27:34 | Snake | now itll work |
| 07:27:40 | Snake | i had to change the directory name |
| 07:27:41 | PhrostByte | yep |
| 07:27:45 | PhrostByte | it worked |
| 07:27:45 | Snake | ok |
| 07:27:51 | Snake | i g2g to dinner |
| 07:27:55 | Snake | bye |
| 07:28:10 | Snake|dinner | tell me if you like the model |
| 07:28:34 | Snake|dinner | you have to right click on the 3d screen and go doen to "textures" so you can see the whole thong |
| 07:28:41 | Snake|dinner | if you see white then your doing it wrong |
| 07:28:42 | Snake|dinner | heh |
| 07:28:51 | PhrostByte | lol no |
| 07:28:56 | PhrostByte | looks cool, how do I zoom in |
| 07:29:04 | Snake|dinner | ummm |
| 07:29:36 | Snake|dinner | see the "window" menu at the top of the screen |
| 07:29:49 | PhrostByte | yea |
| 07:29:58 | Snake|dinner | go to that and click, "Show Caption Veiewpoint" |
| 07:30:04 | Snake|dinner | oops |
| 07:30:14 | Snake|dinner | "Show ViewPoint Caption" |
| 07:30:17 | PhrostByte | k |
| 07:30:29 | Snake|dinner | then go back down to the 3d windows |
| 07:30:34 | Snake|dinner | 3d window* |
| 07:30:47 | PhrostByte | ok |
| 07:30:50 | Snake|dinner | it should have the number 65 in one of the boxes? |
| 07:31:01 | Snake|dinner | change that to zoom in and out |
| 07:31:15 | Snake|dinner | also right click on the 3d windows and click "Maximise |
| 07:31:17 | Snake|dinner | " |
| 07:31:21 | Snake|dinner | ok |
| 07:31:22 | Snake|dinner | dinner time |
| 07:31:24 | Snake|dinner | bye |
| 07:31:40 | PhrostByte | ok |
| 07:31:42 | Snake|dinner | <---gone---> |
| 07:32:11 | PhrostByte | looks cool.. should model the inputs though and just use a texture for each sides |
| 07:36:40 | Snake|dinner | ??? |
| 07:36:41 | Snake|dinner | back |
| 07:36:45 | Snake|dinner | what do you mean? |
| 07:38:55 | Snake | model what inputs? |
| 07:39:12 | Snake | at the back |
| 07:39:14 | Snake | ? |
| 07:39:20 | PhrostByte | that and the USB ports |
| 07:39:34 | Snake | how am i suppose ot model them? |
| 07:39:36 | PhrostByte | like make them not just bitmaps |
| 07:40:00 | PhrostByte | add them into the model instead of showing a bitmap on one wall |
| 07:40:16 | Snake | y? |
| 07:40:47 | PhrostByte | because it would look better that way |
| 07:41:23 | Snake | im not experienced enough |
| 07:41:31 | PhrostByte | :( |
| 07:41:40 | PhrostByte | I tried but I couldn't find out how to use the program lol |
| 07:42:16 | Snake | lol |
| 07:42:23 | Snake | well its a basic 3d editor |
| 07:42:39 | Snake | so you use vertex's and face's |
| 07:42:44 | Snake | the real way to 3d model |
| 07:43:24 | PhrostByte | yea well I know that but I take one of the 2D views and zoom in so I can find a USB port but I can't move the view down |
| 07:44:00 | Snake | press ctrl+a and move the model down |
| 07:44:27 | PhrostByte | ah I see just select all |
| 07:45:14 | PhrostByte | hey hey if you can get the model looking nice and pretty can export to a VRML world and put in on the TuxBox site |
| 07:47:01 | Snake | yeah |
| 07:47:09 | Snake | it does look nice >:( |
| 07:47:17 | Snake | nah but it needs a little work |
| 07:47:37 | PhrostByte | yea |
| 07:48:03 | PhrostByte | well, if you can just model the USB inputs to be 3D instead of bitmaps and do the same thing to the back, it would ice the cake |
| 07:49:27 | Snake | good |
| 07:49:35 | Snake | modeling the USB isnt going to be easy |
| 07:50:46 | PhrostByte | why? they are just like 2 boxes put on top of eachother |
| 07:51:23 | PhrostByte | bleh.. your the modeler I'll let you deside how to model it I've never done any modeling before |
| 07:52:02 | Snake | heh |
| 08:06:24 | Snake | ok |
| 08:06:26 | Snake | i g2g |
| 08:06:27 | Snake | bye |
| 08:06:45 | PhrostByte | k |
| 08:09:39 | [57th]cneal | is back (gone 01:11:00) |
| 08:12:10 | PhrostByte | yo |
| 08:12:18 | [57th]cneal | hi |
| 08:42:53 | travis_143cw | hello |
| 17:38:22 | travis|brb | howdy, i will be back in < 20 min to talk |
| 17:38:36 | CoolMan | k |
| 17:49:08 | CoolMan | thx |
| 17:49:54 | travis_143cw | you betcha |
| 17:50:11 | CoolMan | hey, you know of a good command line wav file player? |
| 17:50:18 | CoolMan | other than play |
| 17:52:23 | travis_143cw | not off hand no |
| 17:52:38 | travis_143cw | i am way into the GUI |
| 17:53:19 | CoolMan | way inot the GUI? |
| 17:53:23 | CoolMan | into> |
| 17:54:00 | CoolMan | is going to restart GAIM |
| 17:57:15 | CoolMan | ahha! |
| 17:57:26 | CoolMan | GAIM makes noise now! |
| 17:57:29 | CoolMan | thx |
| 17:57:49 | travis_143cw | gaim makes noise now... =P |
| 17:58:00 | CoolMan | oh yeah |
| 17:58:20 | CoolMan | that way, if i'm away, it will anoy my mother in the kitchen! |
| 17:58:25 | CoolMan | annoy |
| 17:58:41 | CoolMan | aspecially because it's a console beep, not a speaker thing! |
| 17:58:52 | travis_143cw | so then she can page you by screeming your name if you are not their |
| 17:59:05 | CoolMan | hehe |
| 17:59:07 | CoolMan | yep |
| 17:59:13 | CoolMan | oh, man |
| 17:59:25 | CoolMan | I'm not gonna be here next week |
| 17:59:30 | travis_143cw | ? |
| 17:59:39 | CoolMan | but I will leave my computer transcripting |
| 17:59:48 | CoolMan | next meeting |
| 18:00:54 | travis_143cw | alright, thats fine |
| 18:01:00 | travis_143cw | Bakemono: come back |
| 18:01:28 | CoolMan | Bakemono: We need you! |
| 18:01:54 | CoolMan | just discovered TAB nick fill-ins |
| 18:02:42 | CoolMan | i have plenty of stuff to bring up this meeting, but i can't remember it off hand... |
| 18:02:51 | travis_143cw | lol, sweet |
| 18:02:54 | CoolMan | i need to start taking notes |
| 18:02:56 | CoolMan | lol |
| 18:03:50 | CoolMan | it looks like our biggest hardware problem should be the controller |
| 18:04:10 | CoolMan | but it's such a nice-looking piece of poop |
| 18:04:28 | CoolMan | is mad at the Logitech WingMan RumblePad |
| 18:04:33 | travis_143cw | Bakemono: you here? |
| 18:05:02 | travis_143cw | or did your pc just ban me cause of the many ctcp requests...... |
| 18:05:02 | CoolMan | Bakemono is either asleep or making more green tea... |
| 18:06:02 | CoolMan | travis_143cw: did you hear the saga of the controller yesterday? |
| 18:06:07 | travis_143cw | nope |
| 18:06:25 | CoolMan | man, i did tell you i was in contact with the iforce author |
| 18:06:36 | CoolMan | and we got in this IRC channel yesterday |
| 18:06:55 | CoolMan | and we were working on the controller for maybe five hours |
| 18:06:57 | travis_143cw | yeah |
| 18:07:02 | travis_143cw | really?!?! |
| 18:07:04 | CoolMan | bad news |
| 18:07:07 | CoolMan | :( |
| 18:07:11 | travis_143cw | hmmm? |
| 18:07:28 | CoolMan | it looks as if the controller rumbles by accident |
| 18:07:35 | CoolMan | by chance |
| 18:07:46 | CoolMan | because it doesn't understand iforce |
| 18:08:03 | CoolMan | but we still have some unexplored options |
| 18:08:09 | travis_143cw | confused... you are trying to tell me the controller just rumbles whenever it wants to? |
| 18:08:20 | CoolMan | no, only when it's confused enough |
| 18:08:25 | travis_143cw | lol |
| 18:08:27 | CoolMan | lol |
| 18:08:38 | CoolMan | brb, gotta put my frozen pizza in the oven |
| 18:09:01 | travis_143cw | k |
| 18:10:06 | travis_143cw | brb food for me too |
| 18:11:06 | CoolMan | ah, only 10 minutes before pizza is warm |
| 18:11:36 | CoolMan | eats in front of the computer, like the loser he is by birth. |
| 18:12:58 | CoolMan | anyway, we are speculating that since the controller uses the HID spec for input, it might use a corresponding spec for force feedback |
| 18:13:19 | CoolMan | i think the d00d might have said PID? |
| 18:13:23 | CoolMan | for that? |
| 18:14:40 | CoolMan | sits and ponders why water molecules have two hydrogen molecules and only one oxygen, because if it were the other way 'round maybe we could breath under water. |
| 18:16:44 | CoolMan | only five minutes till pizza time! |
| 18:17:14 | CoolMan | we are a half-hour into a meeting that only I am participating in! |
| 18:17:20 | CoolMan | yay! |
| 18:17:24 | travis_143cw | lol |
| 18:17:30 | travis_143cw | where the hell is bake... |
| 18:17:40 | CoolMan | i haven't a clew |
| 18:18:12 | CoolMan | i say, if i'm done with my pizza and he still hasn't shown, we start without him |
| 18:18:32 | travis_143cw | sounds good |
| 18:18:42 | CoolMan | what did you turn up about the mobo? |
| 18:18:48 | CoolMan | anything promising? |
| 18:19:32 | travis_143cw | still looking for a good match |
| 18:19:47 | CoolMan | but are there some things that might work in a pinch? |
| 18:20:09 | travis_143cw | that is my major focus this week, looking for hw, exact hw |
| 18:20:19 | CoolMan | i will hit myself if lack of a mobo kills this project |
| 18:20:24 | travis_143cw | lol |
| 18:20:26 | CoolMan | lol |
| 18:20:57 | CoolMan | pizza! |
| 18:21:06 | travis_143cw | it wont, there are some decent options available it appears, but i am still looking for one that doesnt cost an incredible amount of money |
| 18:21:56 | CoolMan | oic |
| 18:22:01 | CoolMan | mmmmm pizza |
| 18:22:20 | CoolMan | remember this? |
| 18:22:23 | travis_143cw | is hungry and too tired to make anything |
| 18:22:28 | CoolMan | (13:26:51) ***CoolMan sits and ponders why water molecules have two hydrogen molecules and only one oxygen, because if it were the other way 'round maybe we could breath under water. |
| 18:22:37 | CoolMan | i was just thinking again |
| 18:22:45 | travis_143cw | lol |
| 18:22:54 | travis_143cw | you never know... |
| 18:23:10 | travis_143cw | but we barely breath any oxygen in the air the way it is.... |
| 18:23:15 | CoolMan | if that were true, we could take a breath under water, hold it as long as we could, then blow out across a match and blow fire |
| 18:23:19 | travis_143cw | mostly hydrogen and other crap |
| 18:23:34 | CoolMan | but we need exclusively oxygen |
| 18:23:42 | travis_143cw | yes |
| 18:23:51 | CoolMan | you could live on straght oxygen, not anything else) |
| 18:23:59 | travis_143cw | keep in mind if water was the other way around, our lungs wouldnt work too well |
| 18:24:13 | CoolMan | why? |
| 18:25:18 | travis_143cw | liquid doesnt work in the lungs too well |
| 18:25:47 | CoolMan | lives for the day that scientists construct a machine that uses water as it's only fuel by breaking it into it's flammable components |
| 18:26:16 | travis_143cw | you never know... |
| 18:26:20 | CoolMan | hey |
| 18:26:25 | travis_143cw | yes? |
| 18:26:30 | CoolMan | it might happen |
| 18:26:53 | CoolMan | nothing, just a "hey, it might happen" |
| 18:26:56 | travis_143cw | maybe someday |
| 18:27:25 | CoolMan | NASA allready has prototype hydrogen engines |
| 18:27:43 | CoolMan | leaving water as the only waste product |
| 18:27:52 | travis_143cw | that would be sweet |
| 18:28:14 | CoolMan | it's just really expensive to build |
| 18:28:16 | CoolMan | :( |
| 18:28:32 | travis_143cw | so fill me in more with the controller |
| 18:29:02 | CoolMan | well there is not really much more to tell |
| 18:29:17 | travis_143cw | do you feel that the controller will work well when you guys figure it out\ |
| 18:29:23 | CoolMan | i emailed Logitech, kindly asking them to hand over the specs now... |
| 18:29:24 | CoolMan | j/k |
| 18:29:29 | CoolMan | i did email them tho |
| 18:29:40 | CoolMan | i think it's not out of the question yet |
| 18:29:58 | travis_143cw | k good |
| 18:30:39 | CoolMan | it would be a shame if it's not sutible (especially considering the lack of other controller on the market) |
| 18:30:49 | travis_143cw | no kidding |
| 18:31:11 | CoolMan | hey dude! |
| 18:31:16 | tuxcompressor | Hi |
| 18:31:23 | CoolMan | travis_143cw: this is the author of iforce |
| 18:31:32 | travis_143cw | excellant\ |
| 18:31:36 | CoolMan | tuxcompressor: this is travis, our leader |
| 18:31:41 | CoolMan | fearless leader |
| 18:31:46 | travis_143cw | right, lol |
| 18:31:49 | CoolMan | lol |
| 18:32:05 | tuxcompressor | travis_143cw: Hi, team leader |
| 18:32:05 | CoolMan | hey, tuxcompressor, could you fill travis in? |
| 18:32:24 | travis_143cw | yes travis is confused on the controller issue... |
| 18:32:44 | tuxcompressor | Quite simple: force feedback does not work under linux |
| 18:33:08 | tuxcompressor | It does not seem it is an iforce device |
| 18:33:35 | travis_143cw | will it be able to work in the near future? |
| 18:33:51 | CoolMan | brb |
| 18:33:58 | travis_143cw | what other controller options are available for linux that are just as good, if worse comes to worse |
| 18:34:13 | CoolMan | i'm going to set my sister up so she can watch our meeting |
| 18:34:15 | tuxcompressor | I do not know, my crystal ball broke down 5 years ago. |
| 18:34:48 | tuxcompressor | That depends. Are you looking for rumble pads or ff sticks ? |
| 18:36:27 | travis_143cw | um... |
| 18:36:38 | travis_143cw | CoolMan: what do you think? |
| 18:37:04 | travis_143cw | that wingman rumblepad looks great |
| 18:37:21 | travis_143cw | something like that with close to the same amount of buttons and setup |
| 18:37:37 | tuxcompressor | I've just received a mail from a guy working on the dreamcast |
| 18:38:08 | tuxcompressor | He managed to get "a simple rocking device" to work. |
| 18:38:47 | StarLight | hello, this is coolman from an XTerminal |
| 18:38:58 | travis_143cw | starlight huh? |
| 18:39:00 | travis_143cw | lol |
| 18:39:05 | StarLight | my sister will be using this terminal to watch |
| 18:39:14 | StarLight | (and maybe ask a few questions) |
| 18:39:28 | travis_143cw | i just thought you wanted a new nickname =P |
| 18:39:43 | travis_143cw | tuxcompressor: a simple rocking device? |
| 18:39:55 | tuxcompressor | Don't ask, I know nothing more yet |
| 18:40:17 | CoolMan | i'm back |
| 18:40:29 | CoolMan | she might join, she might not |
| 18:40:37 | CoolMan | will never understand girls. |
| 18:40:47 | travis_143cw | lol |
| 18:41:08 | travis_143cw | so the only problem with the controller is force feedback... |
| 18:41:15 | CoolMan | yeah |
| 18:41:31 | CoolMan | tuxcompressor: we are *not* loking for ff sticks |
| 18:41:32 | travis_143cw | tuxcompressor, CoolMan: what do you think is our best option? |
| 18:41:40 | CoolMan | for what? |
| 18:41:44 | CoolMan | the controller? |
| 18:41:56 | CoolMan | i say keep plugging away at this one, but keep an open mind |
| 18:41:57 | travis_143cw | yes |
| 18:42:24 | tuxcompressor | I have an AVB stick which *should* have a connector to add a rumble pad |
| 18:42:38 | tuxcompressor | The stick is iforce compliant |
| 18:42:57 | CoolMan | tuxcompressor: we are looking for just a gamepad with rumble |
| 18:43:07 | tuxcompressor | I don't know if avb also makes rumble pads (which might be I-Force too) |
| 18:43:13 | CoolMan | (nobody wants a joystick in their laps) |
| 18:43:39 | CoolMan | our other conserns our cost and availability |
| 18:44:37 | travis_143cw | the $30 rumblepad fits everything perfectly, the only problem is it isnt working yet. |
| 18:44:49 | CoolMan | tuxcompressor: what did you say the spec for Force Feedback that corresponds with HID was called? |
| 18:44:54 | CoolMan | PID? |
| 18:45:26 | tuxcompressor | One sec, I've just got a mail from the DC guy. I will see if he can join. |
| 18:46:09 | CoolMan | i sent email to the bums at Logitech, kindly requesting their assistance |
| 18:46:32 | CoolMan | can be really polite when he wants to be. No, really! |
| 18:46:35 | travis_143cw | well you know those corporations with linux.... |
| 18:46:41 | CoolMan | i know |
| 18:47:02 | CoolMan | but they had the decency to say "Linux" on their site |
| 18:47:15 | travis_143cw | but no drivers... |
| 18:47:21 | CoolMan | w00t w00t! They aknowleded we exist!!! |
| 18:47:41 | travis_143cw | lol, i was beginning to wonder about our existence also.... |
| 18:47:42 | travis_143cw | =P |
| 18:47:52 | CoolMan | "They pester. Therefore they are." |
| 18:48:17 | travis_143cw | exactly |
| 18:48:42 | CoolMan | lol |
| 18:49:29 | travis_143cw | i wish bake was around that punk |
| 18:49:35 | CoolMan | travis_143cw: BTW, did you hear Bakemono booted the TuxBox linux distro yesterday?! |
| 18:49:45 | travis_143cw | maybe his green tea finally got the best of him |
| 18:49:53 | CoolMan | lol |
| 18:50:00 | tuxcompressor | I am back |
| 18:50:02 | CoolMan | Maybe it wasn't really tea... |
| 18:50:06 | travis_143cw | yes i heard he got it to boot, did he say for far along he was? |
| 18:50:18 | travis_143cw | wb tuxcompressor |
| 18:50:24 | CoolMan | he was talking with BitchX uner X |
| 18:50:27 | tuxcompressor | Yes the spec for ff is PID |
| 18:50:41 | CoolMan | that is an open spec? |
| 18:50:45 | travis_143cw | CoolMan: he has X running already? |
| 18:50:48 | travis_143cw | ?!?! |
| 18:50:52 | CoolMan | travis_143cw: heck yeah! |
| 18:50:58 | CoolMan | w00t! w00t! |
| 18:51:04 | tuxcompressor | Yes, but it does not mention runble devices |
| 18:51:24 | CoolMan | wait, i thought it was a ff spec?! |
| 18:51:32 | travis_143cw | am i missing somethign, what is the diff between ff and rumble? |
| 18:51:51 | CoolMan | yeah, what's the diff? |
| 18:51:53 | tuxcompressor | ff is more advanced that rumble |
| 18:52:03 | tuxcompressor | More effects are supported |
| 18:52:04 | CoolMan | oh, ok |
| 18:52:09 | CoolMan | well, this is ff |
| 18:52:17 | tuxcompressor | Like springs, dampers for example |
| 18:52:19 | travis_143cw | ok, thank you |
| 18:52:35 | CoolMan | this thing is Force Feedback |
| 18:52:39 | CoolMan | for sure |
| 18:52:48 | tuxcompressor | You can also force a wheel to turn, too |
| 18:52:58 | travis_143cw | heh, sweet |
| 18:53:05 | CoolMan | resistive force feedback |
| 18:53:08 | CoolMan | i read about it |
| 18:53:08 | tuxcompressor | A rumble wheel cannot |
| 18:53:24 | CoolMan | this is a non-resistive force feedback gamepad |
| 18:53:31 | CoolMan | it is one step up from rumble |
| 18:53:32 | StarLight | hello |
| 18:53:41 | CoolMan | hello StarLight |
| 18:53:45 | travis_143cw | StarLight: hello |
| 18:53:49 | travis_143cw | hello cneal |
| 18:53:49 | CoolMan | (that's my sister) |
| 18:53:52 | [57th]cneal | hi |
| 18:53:56 | travis_143cw | cneal is your sister? |
| 18:53:57 | CoolMan | hey cneal |
| 18:53:59 | CoolMan | lol |
| 18:54:00 | travis_143cw | lol, jk |
| 18:54:02 | StarLight | hi |
| 18:54:07 | travis_143cw | anyways... |
| 18:54:20 | travis_143cw | must ctcp bake more.... |
| 18:54:29 | CoolMan | so, you think my device could be in the PID spec? |
| 18:54:49 | tuxcompressor | How would I know ? |
| 18:54:54 | CoolMan | hmmm |
| 18:55:02 | CoolMan | *not very comforting* |
| 18:55:13 | tuxcompressor | sorry... |
| 18:55:29 | [57th]cneal | Dark says he will give us $1000 |
| 18:55:31 | CoolMan | Snaps his fingers in front of Bakemono's face. |
| 18:55:49 | CoolMan | sets Bakemono's hair on fire. |
| 18:55:56 | CoolMan | hmmm, no help for it |
| 18:56:13 | CoolMan | [57th]cneal: say what?! |
| 18:56:19 | CoolMan | a donation?! |
| 18:56:34 | [57th]cneal | yea |
| 18:56:41 | CoolMan | on what conditions? |
| 18:56:44 | travis_143cw | CoolMan: are there any other linux supported controllers with ff and everything worth looking into? |
| 18:56:49 | CoolMan | none |
| 18:56:54 | [57th]cneal | You should reply and give him your address |
| 18:57:00 | CoolMan | (not that i know of) |
| 18:57:12 | travis_143cw | hmmm |
| 18:57:24 | travis_143cw | tuxcompressor: you know of any? |
| 18:57:26 | tuxcompressor | The devices likely to be supported soon are: |
| 18:57:29 | zx80user | hi all, I was asked by Johann Deneux to come here and comment on whether a rumble pad you were looking at was similar to a Dreamcast device I writing a driver for (I very much doubt it being the answer) |
| 18:57:32 | tuxcompressor | IFeel mice |
| 18:57:42 | CoolMan | hey dude |
| 18:57:48 | tuxcompressor | Hi zx80user |
| 18:57:54 | tuxcompressor | I am Johann Deneux |
| 18:57:56 | StarLight | hi |
| 18:58:19 | zx80user | Do you want to know about the Sega thing? |
| 18:58:24 | CoolMan | yeah |
| 18:58:37 | tuxcompressor | What does it look like ? |
| 18:58:43 | zx80user | Well, its essentially just a turning drum :-> |
| 18:58:44 | [57th]cneal | goodie goodie, a story? |
| 18:58:50 | CoolMan | we are looking for some way to make our poopy device work |
| 18:58:54 | zx80user | (Inside a bit of plastic) |
| 18:59:15 | zx80user | The Sega things are all run through a USB-like bus called Maple |
| 18:59:31 | CoolMan | how similar? |
| 18:59:52 | StarLight | hi |
| 18:59:58 | travis_143cw | wb zwamppy |
| 19:00:00 | CoolMan | hello zwampy |
| 19:00:11 | zx80user | I've never done any USB programming but - you can chain up multiple devices on a serial interface on Maple |
| 19:00:21 | CoolMan | hmmmm |
| 19:00:24 | zwampy | Hi all |
| 19:00:27 | [57th]cneal | hi |
| 19:00:33 | zwampy | How is all going? |
| 19:00:41 | CoolMan | how about the input for the device, is it using anything like HID? |
| 19:01:02 | zx80user | Sorry, CoolMan, what is HID? |
| 19:01:10 | CoolMan | it is a spec |
| 19:01:33 | tuxcompressor | zx80user: You made your own module from scratch ? |
| 19:01:42 | zx80user | All I can do with this thing is tell it to start rumbling and then tell it to stop |
| 19:01:48 | CoolMan | ic |
| 19:01:53 | CoolMan | can you read from it yet? |
| 19:02:05 | zx80user | tuxcompressor, it's just like all the other Maple devices - I had to guess how it worked from a limited range of options |
| 19:02:42 | CoolMan | hmmm |
| 19:02:51 | [57th]cneal | Whats maple stand for? |
| 19:02:57 | CoolMan | i doubt there is any similarity |
| 19:03:07 | CoolMan | between your project and our problem |
| 19:03:52 | tuxcompressor | zx80user: Can you control how the device must rumble (frequency, magnitude) ? |
| 19:05:48 | CoolMan | hmmm |
| 19:05:52 | CoolMan | this is slowing down |
| 19:05:55 | travis_143cw | lol |
| 19:06:01 | CoolMan | there are other things that need discused |
| 19:06:03 | travis_143cw | i am doing some research on mobos at the same time |
| 19:06:10 | CoolMan | (if only i could remember) |
| 19:06:29 | StarLight | brb |
| 19:06:47 | zwampy | is gonna test the new realse of the UI |
| 19:06:54 | CoolMan | sweet man |
| 19:07:03 | CoolMan | make sure you read the setup instructions |
| 19:07:05 | travis_143cw | i am looking at a socket A micro-atx mobo for about $66.25 retail... |
| 19:07:20 | travis_143cw | that would be nice, but we will see |
| 19:07:20 | zwampy | CoolMan: Yeah :) |
| 19:07:23 | CoolMan | ????!? |
| 19:07:35 | CoolMan | $66 !?!? |
| 19:07:39 | CoolMan | it has to be crap |
| 19:07:51 | CoolMan | does it have any of our components on board? |
| 19:08:35 | travis_143cw | no not really |
| 19:08:48 | CoolMan | oh yeah, i remember what i wanted to bring up!!!! |
| 19:08:50 | travis_143cw | audio is onboard ac'97 |
| 19:08:57 | CoolMan | NIC on board? |
| 19:09:02 | travis_143cw | um not sure |
| 19:09:16 | travis_143cw | i am just getting a list of possible mobos then do more research on them |
| 19:09:22 | CoolMan | ic |
| 19:09:34 | CoolMan | i remember what i wanted to bring up |
| 19:09:50 | CoolMan | this was *VERY* briefly discussed last meeting |
| 19:09:56 | travis_143cw | go for it |
| 19:09:57 | zwampy | Im just gonna create the /home/tuxbox |
| 19:10:00 | zwampy | ;) |
| 19:10:13 | CoolMan | zwampy, you need more directories |
| 19:10:28 | zwampy | yes |
| 19:10:38 | zwampy | and the 3 in /home/tuxbox |
| 19:10:47 | CoolMan | oh ok |
| 19:10:55 | zwampy | ;) |
| 19:11:06 | CoolMan | you must have RW acess to that DIR |
| 19:11:12 | zwampy | yeah |
| 19:11:21 | CoolMan | so, like /home/tuxbox/temp |
| 19:11:26 | zwampy | yes |
| 19:11:27 | StarLight | im back |
| 19:11:28 | travis_143cw | what is the topic coolman? |
| 19:11:39 | zx80user | sorry folks - somethings come up |
| 19:11:43 | CoolMan | ok, we need money |
| 19:11:45 | zx80user | is away: I'm busy |
| 19:11:48 | CoolMan | right? |
| 19:12:03 | CoolMan | we need to be able to buy parts and sell them |
| 19:12:16 | CoolMan | (sell the TuxBoxes, not the parts) |
| 19:12:49 | travis_143cw | right |
| 19:12:56 | CoolMan | we need to be able to make a custom case |
| 19:13:02 | CoolMan | (maybe) |
| 19:13:21 | CoolMan | there are only a few possibilities that i can see |
| 19:13:28 | travis_143cw | please list them: |
| 19:13:31 | travis_143cw | =P |
| 19:13:32 | CoolMan | (but of course that's what discussion is all about) |
| 19:13:54 | CoolMan | The TuxBox project as a company |
| 19:14:09 | CoolMan | or as a non-profit organization |
| 19:14:45 | CoolMan | or just as a group of people in their garages |
| 19:14:53 | CoolMan | those are the options i can see |
| 19:15:05 | StarLight | i like the third |
| 19:15:28 | travis_143cw | i dont like the company idea too much, i forsee too many issues |
| 19:15:39 | CoolMan | people in garages = incosistent product, (not the same standard case every time) |
| 19:15:50 | travis_143cw | non-profit, maybe. |
| 19:15:54 | travis_143cw | here is my idea. |
| 19:15:58 | [57th]cneal | Well the 2nd and 3rd idea are what dawhatx and I am aimed at |
| 19:16:02 | CoolMan | and no coverage (noone will have ever heard of the TuxBox) |
| 19:16:26 | CoolMan | travis_143cw: please tell us your idea |
| 19:18:09 | travis_143cw | We stay a project. we develop our software, and all other non-tangible aspects of the system. We get a standard set of hardware. And we sell through a distributor, that can get all the parts, the case. They can be in charge of the assembly. |
| 19:18:12 | travis_143cw | Also... |
| 19:19:18 | travis_143cw | When it comes to profits... No body will make a profit, the only profits to be made would be from the distributor (cause they dont work for free, they are a company). |
| 19:19:54 | travis_143cw | we could set up an order page with them in which people could order with a credit card or check right from tuxboxproject.com |
| 19:19:55 | CoolMan | here is my thing against non-profit, I can work for oodles of time for oodles of no money now, but later i'm gonna be working through collage and ETC. I think we could do the business thing, get start-up capital, sell stocks, ETC. That would not impair the opensource community around the TuxBox, it would just be more incentive to work |
| 19:21:07 | CoolMan | we could do it if we wanted, and if we tried |
| 19:21:22 | travis_143cw | i dont want to get into lawsuits, and i doubt any of you do either. we would need a central location, funds. |
| 19:21:31 | CoolMan | and if we failed as a company, we would allways have our garages, (depending on how badly we failed as a company) |
| 19:21:45 | CoolMan | right now, we do not need a central location |
| 19:22:07 | CoolMan | even as a business |
| 19:22:07 | travis_143cw | companies need to make money. we are releasing everythign we have under opensource |
| 19:22:28 | CoolMan | true, we would make money selling the TuxBox, and games ETC. |
| 19:22:39 | travis_143cw | people will know our hardware... everyone will just use our software, buy their own hardware, and we will have no money while they use the system we made and the games |
| 19:22:46 | CoolMan | (maybe a TuxBox game magazine with early versinos of game sin it) |
| 19:23:07 | CoolMan | it would be cheaper to buy the official hardware, and it would look nicer |
| 19:23:09 | zwampy | Ok, first we need to get the machine out :) |
| 19:23:15 | CoolMan | we would be buying wholesale |
| 19:23:40 | CoolMan | the thing is, we need to make these decisions now if we are going to make an expo commitment |
| 19:24:37 | travis_143cw | i say we just stay as a project and use other companies to help us (distributor, advertising, whatever). |
| 19:24:44 | CoolMan | we can't be afraid to try to make this a bigger project |
| 19:24:49 | CoolMan | a company |
| 19:25:42 | zwampy | The project will just be better bigger :) |
| 19:25:49 | travis_143cw | we could even set-up some sort of TuxBox funds account somewhere in which one of brings up advertising and they could recieve x amount of dollars towards that |
| 19:26:09 | travis_143cw | Where would the central location be? where will we get funds? |
| 19:26:26 | zwampy | Hmmm |
| 19:26:32 | CoolMan | the central location at the beginning could be your address man |
| 19:26:36 | CoolMan | travis |
| 19:26:38 | zwampy | :) |
| 19:26:48 | StarLight | :) |
| 19:26:59 | CoolMan | we would have some different options for funds |
| 19:27:04 | travis_143cw | i have taken some entrepreneurship classes........ |
| 19:27:16 | zwampy | I think it would be great if we get sponsor from the big commpanies |
| 19:27:22 | travis_143cw | like who? |
| 19:27:26 | travis_143cw | sony? lol |
| 19:27:35 | zwampy | lol |
| 19:27:39 | travis_143cw | microsoft!!!! some email bill right now!!!!!!!! |
| 19:27:43 | [57th]cneal | You could get a sponsor from rtsoft |
| 19:27:47 | zwampy | YEAH!!! |
| 19:27:59 | CoolMan | we could do the loan thing, we could do the stock thing, we could get some rich person to just do the loan thing |
| 19:28:06 | CoolMan | rtsoft? |
| 19:28:10 | CoolMan | who is that? |
| 19:28:18 | [57th]cneal | I'v beta tested a game for them so I'm sure they would be glad to help out |
| 19:28:24 | zwampy | Mandrake is allways sponsoring game thingies ;) |
| 19:28:29 | [57th]cneal | www.rtsoft.com |
| 19:28:47 | [57th]cneal | software developer all the way from the old days of BBS till now |
| 19:28:50 | travis_143cw | what, so Travis calls a meeting and all of you guys drive to my house?!?! sit in my garage and hangout in business suits? |
| 19:28:55 | CoolMan | i say it could be done |
| 19:29:08 | CoolMan | what's wrong with this kind of meeting |
| 19:29:10 | CoolMan | for now |
| 19:29:16 | zwampy | Yeah |
| 19:29:31 | zwampy | We need sponsor |
| 19:29:38 | zwampy | Lets call Bill :þ |
| 19:29:50 | CoolMan | then, when we (Me, Bakemono) are old enough to move, we pack up and move out to a better central location |
| 19:29:50 | travis_143cw | this is fine, but still... a company needs to be totally as one, that would require money. companies pay employees, that requires lots of money |
| 19:29:51 | [57th]cneal | Which Bill? |
| 19:29:57 | zwampy | Gates ;) |
| 19:30:05 | [57th]cneal | Oh :o |
| 19:30:13 | StarLight | hello |
| 19:30:28 | travis_143cw | adam: hello |
| 19:30:29 | [57th]cneal | I'm sure we would be glad to help in anyway, just put microsoft XP on it |
| 19:30:39 | travis_143cw | no! |
| 19:30:42 | zwampy | You see Transmeta, its just guys like us |
| 19:30:48 | CoolMan | starts beating [57th]cneal |
| 19:30:53 | travis_143cw | brb in a couple minutes |
| 19:31:00 | [57th]cneal | :p |
| 19:31:13 | StarLight | i will help you coolman |
| 19:31:38 | CoolMan | besides, we allready have at least one commercial 3rd party game developer |
| 19:31:51 | CoolMan | Wizord has been hanging out here for while now |
| 19:32:01 | [57th]cneal | Thats right |
| 19:32:07 | zwampy | is he commercial |
| 19:32:08 | zwampy | ? |
| 19:32:23 | CoolMan | all his company would need is for us to help distribute their games in the US |
| 19:32:23 | travis_143cw | back\ |
| 19:32:30 | [57th]cneal | The El cid company? |
| 19:32:40 | CoolMan | travis_143cw: |
| 19:32:40 | CoolMan | (14:43:49) CoolMan: besides, we allready have at least one commercial 3rd party game developer |
| 19:32:41 | CoolMan | (14:44:02) CoolMan: Wizord has been hanging out here for while now |
| 19:32:41 | CoolMan | (14:44:34) CoolMan: all his company would need is for us to help distribute their games in the US |
| 19:32:49 | CoolMan | [57th]cneal: i don't remember |
| 19:32:59 | [57th]cneal | @ http://argoslabs.com/cid/index.html |
| 19:33:01 | CoolMan | zwampy: yes |
| 19:33:05 | zwampy | VAlinux, they can sponsor ;) |
| 19:33:16 | zwampy | ok |
| 19:33:20 | CoolMan | travis_143cw: i think it could be done |
| 19:33:23 | travis_143cw | well how would the company be set up? |
| 19:33:31 | CoolMan | ok |
| 19:33:36 | travis_143cw | what would pay be like? |
| 19:33:38 | CoolMan | i have it (kind of) worked out |
| 19:34:16 | travis_143cw | i mean, i goto college, i work, i am a part of tuxbox. it is baffling my mind! |
| 19:34:25 | CoolMan | basically, we would do the partnership thing for you, Bakemono and I |
| 19:34:37 | travis_143cw | a company would be a lot, but would be nice to have a artificial entity |
| 19:34:38 | CoolMan | bakemono and I would need very little money from this company (right now) |
| 19:34:48 | CoolMan | if any |
| 19:35:06 | travis_143cw | where is Bakemono?!?!?! grrr.. |
| 19:35:17 | CoolMan | and then, as we had a little more money from the TuxBox when it was successful, we could start hiring people |
| 19:35:40 | travis_143cw | so the company would be listed at my house?!? |
| 19:35:46 | travis_143cw | well i guess... |
| 19:35:48 | zwampy | I can help with the company itself |
| 19:35:52 | CoolMan | slaps Bakemono's now charred and bald head. |
| 19:36:01 | CoolMan | travis_143cw: got a better idea for it? |
| 19:36:06 | CoolMan | your the only adult! |
| 19:36:13 | travis_143cw | lol |
| 19:36:17 | CoolMan | lol |
| 19:36:20 | travis_143cw | grr! jk |
| 19:36:37 | travis_143cw | true |
| 19:36:49 | CoolMan | see, i'm willing to see the TuxBox as my future |
| 19:37:07 | CoolMan | i'm willing to devote myself to it, if I have people devoing themselves with me |
| 19:37:24 | StarLight | with you or to you? |
| 19:37:43 | CoolMan | put's Starlight in a trashcan. |
| 19:37:45 | zwampy | CoolMan: sign me in :) |
| 19:37:56 | zx80user | is back (gone 00:26:12) |
| 19:38:09 | CoolMan | StarLight: better watch out, your logged into my computer, i can kill your xchat without a blink |
| 19:38:16 | CoolMan | j/k |
| 19:38:32 | StarLight | you better be |
| 19:38:51 | CoolMan | zwampy: of course, we couldn't employ any people untill later |
| 19:39:04 | travis_143cw | very true |
| 19:39:12 | zx80user | tuxcompressor, in answer to your question (and apologies for having to go in a hurry), there seems to be no way to set the maple device intensity etc. It's a simple vibration device, that's it |
| 19:39:35 | travis_143cw | honestly, i would love to do this, but this is <h1><b><strong>BIG!!!</strong></b></h1> |
| 19:39:37 | CoolMan | zx80user: thank you, you have been a big help |
| 19:40:01 | CoolMan | travis_143cw: you can't be afraid of big |
| 19:40:26 | travis_143cw | i want to say something sick and perverted right now, but i wont |
| 19:40:38 | travis_143cw | =P |
| 19:40:40 | CoolMan | lol |
| 19:40:53 | travis_143cw | LOL, anyways.... |
| 19:41:08 | CoolMan | hehe |
| 19:41:10 | travis_143cw | the only problems i forsee, is money |
| 19:41:19 | CoolMan | i know money would be a problem |
| 19:41:41 | travis_143cw | keep in mind i am a college student, but i will be done with my schooling in october |
| 19:41:43 | CoolMan | but, LIS Bakemono and I wouldn't need money untill we were nearing 18 |
| 19:42:24 | CoolMan | and you, travis_143cw could continue to work at your job for awhile |
| 19:42:54 | CoolMan | not taking money out of the company would insure it's survival |
| 19:43:05 | travis_143cw | if i were to start the company, i would have like NO time for coding (not that i have enough time for personal coding now with work and school) |
| 19:43:47 | StarLight | Coolman froze my computer!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:43:51 | CoolMan | hehehe |
| 19:43:53 | zwampy | CoolMan: I know, but I want to be in this for free |
| 19:44:06 | travis_143cw | i would have to be in charge of all the financial crap, blah blah blah, but it would be an excellant experience |
| 19:44:07 | CoolMan | (xclock -display 192.168.1.3:0.0 &) |
| 19:44:17 | [57th]cneal | I think everyone wants to be in this for free zwampy |
| 19:44:36 | zwampy | http://www2.hku.nl/~jeroen16/synthetix/ |
| 19:44:38 | CoolMan | zwampy: you would be a part of the opensource community around the company |
| 19:44:55 | CoolMan | travis_143cw: it would be an excellant experiance for us all |
| 19:45:08 | travis_143cw | maybe those entrepreneurship would come in handy after all.... |
| 19:45:17 | [57th]cneal | We all do are part even if it is very small and having coolman say that this should be a business and that bake, travis and him in this company would really push us out |
| 19:45:29 | CoolMan | you can never be sorry you learned somthing |
| 19:45:45 | CoolMan | [57th]cneal: i don't mean that at all |
| 19:46:01 | CoolMan | it would be no different than the way it is now |
| 19:46:15 | [57th]cneal | Now I have run BBS and I have seen BBS that turn into business and those business BBS are pushed out. We do not help them in any way or form |
| 19:46:25 | [57th]cneal | they die off in the end |
| 19:46:31 | zwampy | I think, when its a company, its more easyer to get sponsors from even VAlinux or Redhat |
| 19:46:39 | CoolMan | [57th]cneal: you know about RedHat |
| 19:46:54 | CoolMan | that didn't kill the opensource community around Linux |
| 19:46:54 | [57th]cneal | BBS are still out there because they help eachother |
| 19:47:04 | StarLight | Coolman are you behind my computer freezing up? >:< |
| 19:47:22 | CoolMan | [57th]cneal: a company will only help the opensource community around it grow |
| 19:47:32 | tuxcompressor | \me is going to leave now. Sorry for being unresponsive these last 10 minutes. |
| 19:47:39 | CoolMan | as long as the company doesn't becaome monopalistic and fat |
| 19:47:50 | travis_143cw | tuxcompressor: thank you for your help! |
| 19:47:55 | CoolMan | tuxcompressor: that's fine, thanks alot buddy |
| 19:47:57 | travis_143cw | tuxcompressor: later |
| 19:48:06 | tuxcompressor | :s/\me//me |
| 19:48:22 | tuxcompressor | Bye |
| 19:48:59 | CoolMan | this is somthing that has worked before, and can work for us |
| 19:49:02 | travis_143cw | oh man, a lot for travis to think about tonight.... lol, thanks guys for forcing me to get NO sleep tonight. =P |
| 19:49:07 | CoolMan | lol |
| 19:49:13 | CoolMan | you are SO welcome |
| 19:49:17 | CoolMan | anytime |
| 19:49:23 | travis_143cw | :/ |
| 19:49:25 | travis_143cw | lol |
| 19:49:28 | CoolMan | lol |
| 19:49:32 | StarLight | lol |
| 19:49:42 | CoolMan | hahaha |
| 19:49:46 | travis_143cw | i would have to write a detailed business plan |
| 19:49:56 | CoolMan | i keep running xclock on alice's XTerminal |
| 19:50:00 | CoolMan | lololol |
| 19:50:04 | StarLight | Coolman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:50:07 | CoolMan | hehehe |
| 19:50:20 | travis_143cw | nice! |
| 19:50:21 | zwampy | travis: I gote to see this biz plan |
| 19:50:29 | travis_143cw | well i dont have it yet! |
| 19:50:37 | zwampy | do it :) |
| 19:50:50 | travis_143cw | wait! |
| 19:50:54 | CoolMan | dude, anything i can do to help |
| 19:50:55 | [57th]cneal | heh |
| 19:51:11 | zwampy | If I create a tb webpage will it be put up? |
| 19:51:13 | CoolMan | people are stronger together |
| 19:51:15 | travis_143cw | i think i may have to talk to Michael Robertson, who would know better than him. |
| 19:51:28 | CoolMan | Michael Robertson? |
| 19:51:32 | CoolMan | whos he? |
| 19:51:35 | travis_143cw | zwampy, put up where? like a fan page? or a new official page? |
| 19:51:37 | CoolMan | the Lindows guy? |
| 19:51:39 | travis_143cw | yes |
| 19:51:42 | CoolMan | oic |
| 19:51:46 | travis_143cw | founder of mp3.com and lindows.com |
| 19:51:50 | zwampy | travis: official |
| 19:51:56 | zwampy | travis: do you know him? |
| 19:52:00 | StarLight | oic? |
| 19:52:09 | travis_143cw | i have talked to him many times over email |
| 19:52:13 | zwampy | cool |
| 19:52:16 | zwampy | Email him |
| 19:52:19 | travis_143cw | i will |
| 19:52:27 | CoolMan | StarLight: oh I see |
| 19:52:27 | zwampy | If he can help us with the biz plan |
| 19:52:32 | zwampy | and starting it out |
| 19:52:34 | travis_143cw | yeah |
| 19:52:36 | zwampy | it would be cool |
| 19:52:39 | zwampy | and good |
| 19:52:48 | travis_143cw | i doubt funding but who knows, he loves linux for the masses. |
| 19:53:02 | zwampy | Yes and is rich ;) |
| 19:53:07 | travis_143cw | zwampy, oh yeah! |
| 19:53:11 | CoolMan | w00t w00t we have a plan people! |
| 19:53:29 | CoolMan | (this is going to be a massive transcript) |
| 19:53:44 | travis_143cw | w00t w00t, eat some oats CoolMan, settle down, not finished yet |
| 19:53:50 | CoolMan | lol |
| 19:54:05 | travis_143cw | that would be great to meet all of you |
| 19:54:09 | CoolMan | hey, everybody need enthusiasm |
| 19:54:11 | zwampy | travis: may I create new tuxboxproject.com more pro |
| 19:54:12 | zwampy | ? |
| 19:54:27 | travis_143cw | zwampy: we would need a few things in that site for sure |
| 19:54:49 | zwampy | travis: Im gonna create a big site, program it in PHP |
| 19:54:58 | travis_143cw | php! yeah! |
| 19:54:58 | CoolMan | zwampy could maybe create a demo, non absolute site, right zwampy? |
| 19:55:04 | travis_143cw | yes! |
| 19:55:06 | zwampy | Yes |
| 19:55:26 | CoolMan | then, if liked, we could move it in and replace the current one |
| 19:55:29 | travis_143cw | with a newsposting simalar to ours (i can spell really) |
| 19:55:55 | zwampy | I have created a website managment system |
| 19:56:04 | travis_143cw | excellant! forums? |
| 19:56:08 | zwampy | Sure |
| 19:56:26 | zwampy | And I can host it :) |
| 19:56:36 | travis_143cw | where do you live? |
| 19:57:11 | CoolMan | hey, check this idea! |
| 19:57:33 | StarLight | Coolman get down here! nameless is driving me insane! |
| 19:57:55 | travis_143cw | do you always call your brother CoolMan? |
| 19:57:59 | travis_143cw | lol =P |
| 19:58:19 | StarLight | cause he wants me to |
| 19:58:25 | travis_143cw | is your father like SupaKewlMan? |
| 19:58:30 | StarLight | (i think.) |
| 19:58:31 | CoolMan | we get our own server, (i might be able to help with that) and we have a *new* official website, then we can get all of the extra websites on the same box (like my tuxbox page, with the UI) |
| 19:58:31 | travis_143cw | oh ok |
| 19:58:48 | CoolMan | i didn't say that alice |
| 19:58:57 | travis_143cw | well, i already have 100mb of free webspace at an ISP |
| 19:59:01 | travis_143cw | frognet.net |
| 19:59:04 | StarLight | Now im confused |
| 19:59:05 | CoolMan | (she thinks it's correct in a chat room, i don't think it matters) |
| 19:59:13 | travis_143cw | cause arog works there, so he got it for us for free |
| 19:59:14 | CoolMan | brb |
| 19:59:26 | travis_143cw | well wait, i will brb also |
| 19:59:31 | travis_143cw | i need food |
| 19:59:39 | travis_143cw | will be back, FOOD! |
| 20:00:16 | CoolMan | ok, i'm back |
| 20:00:24 | CoolMan | but this meeting needs to be broken up |
| 20:00:37 | CoolMan | we have plenty to think about |
| 20:00:46 | StarLight | brb |
| 20:00:52 | CoolMan | will not be here next week anyway. |
| 20:01:13 | CoolMan | anybody object to me ending the transcript? |
| 20:01:29 | CoolMan | no? |
| 20:01:34 | adam | rebuild.sh |
| 20:01:40 | adam | sorry |
| 20:01:40 | CoolMan | ends transcript. |
| 20:01:46 | adam | wrong window focus |
| 20:01:50 | CoolMan | lol |
| 20:02:01 | CoolMan | why didn't you use ThePlaidRanger? |
| 20:02:08 | adam | i did |
| 20:02:20 | adam | but not till after I entered the room |
| 20:02:27 | StarLight | Help!!!!! |
| 20:02:41 | adam | I'm using KSirc, cause i'm having gaim/gtk+ problems |
| 20:02:44 | StarLight | never mind |
| 20:02:45 | travis_143cw | back |
| 20:02:47 | CoolMan | ic |
| 20:03:06 | CoolMan | i ended it, cause i have to go anyhoo |
| 20:03:25 | CoolMan | but, if alice has questions, can she ask you travis? |
| 20:03:26 | travis_143cw | eh! |
| 20:03:34 | travis_143cw | we were just getting started CoolMan |
| 20:03:36 | travis_143cw | =P |
| 20:03:44 | CoolMan | aaaarrrrrgh!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:03:47 | CoolMan | lol |
| 20:03:47 | travis_143cw | yeah, she can ask me anything |
| 20:03:55 | travis_143cw | hey, you started this company madness |
| 20:03:56 | StarLight | uh, i don't have any questions |
| 20:04:00 | CoolMan | ok, nm |
| 20:04:07 | StarLight | nm? |
| 20:04:21 | travis_143cw | Coolman, a few more things |
| 20:04:26 | zwampy | Ok |
| 20:04:27 | CoolMan | never mind, hey i thought you didn't have any questions?! |
| 20:04:46 | zwampy | Travis: Are you gonna send Michael an email |
| 20:04:47 | zwampy | ? |
| 20:04:53 | StarLight | no more questions. ok? |
| 20:04:54 | travis_143cw | yes i will |
| 20:04:59 | travis_143cw | CoolMan: |
| 20:05:03 | CoolMan | yeah? |
| 20:05:31 | zwampy | Travis: ok, Im working on the page, I sure want to to help with the soon to come company : |
| 20:05:33 | zwampy | ;) |
| 20:05:38 | travis_143cw | so just set up the company at my house and under my name as founder/CEO? (ceo at age 19? ah =p) |
| 20:05:47 | CoolMan | you are 19? |
| 20:06:09 | travis_143cw | yeah, got a headstart in college, scholarships |
| 20:06:11 | CoolMan | travis_143cw: i think we want a model that allows Bakemono and I to slip in later |
| 20:06:43 | travis_143cw | slip in as in what? |
| 20:06:59 | CoolMan | i was wondering if it's possible legaly to make Bakemono and I part founders too |
| 20:07:21 | travis_143cw | brb |
| 20:07:45 | CoolMan | k |
| 20:07:57 | zwampy | travis: You are the CEO and I am the chairman |
| 20:07:59 | zwampy | ;) |
| 20:08:39 | CoolMan | could we all be partners legaly? or does our age prohibit that? |
| 20:09:21 | travis_143cw | i dont know |
| 20:09:36 | CoolMan | these are questions that need answering |
| 20:10:15 | CoolMan | i will ask around, we should bothe do some research and model the company after what we find |
| 20:10:28 | StarLight | bothe? |
| 20:10:32 | CoolMan | both |
| 20:10:40 | travis_143cw | I would say to sticking to a traditional company. A CEO/founder, high officials (of other management positions), and normal employees. |
| 20:10:57 | travis_143cw | things would be 100% easier |
| 20:10:57 | CoolMan | we can't do normal employees yet... |
| 20:11:01 | travis_143cw | i know i know |
| 20:11:06 | CoolMan | hmmm |
| 20:11:08 | travis_143cw | but, for the future |
| 20:11:20 | CoolMan | true |
| 20:11:34 | travis_143cw | from my entrepreneurship classes, i learned that partnerships are posibilities, but not always good |
| 20:11:42 | CoolMan | i just don't see any existing model for the sort of thing we have going now |
| 20:11:55 | travis_143cw | the ceo always wants 51% percent of the stock, just for control |
| 20:13:00 | CoolMan | i don't know, all three of us should have a voice, but you should have the final decision |
| 20:13:15 | travis_143cw | exactly what i am saying |
| 20:13:35 | zwampy | travis: how about Micahel as chairman |
| 20:13:36 | zwampy | ? |
| 20:14:02 | travis_143cw | every company has a board of directors, which consists of ceo/president, management, and other investors |
| 20:14:13 | zwampy | I know |
| 20:14:16 | travis_143cw | zwampy: possibility |
| 20:14:26 | CoolMan | you could be CEO, I could be ultimate manager #1 and Bakemono could be Ultimate Manager #2 |
| 20:14:28 | CoolMan | j/k |
| 20:14:31 | zwampy | And some of us in the board |
| 20:15:00 | zwampy | 2 in board from the dev. group and 2. from the company itseld |
| 20:15:01 | CoolMan | well, the three of us would be in the board of directors, with you being CEO (obviously) |
| 20:15:02 | zwampy | 2 in board from the dev. group and 2. from the company itself |
| 20:15:26 | travis_143cw | i would say, ultimately, i would be in control, just to keep things sane and so no one fights about everything. but i would never make a big decision without aproval from board |
| 20:15:32 | CoolMan | right |
| 20:15:56 | travis_143cw | and company dinners would have to be at chi-chi's |
| 20:16:01 | travis_143cw | i insist! |
| 20:16:04 | CoolMan | of course, that was a given |
| 20:16:12 | CoolMan | goes without saying |
| 20:16:18 | CoolMan | :) |
| 20:16:19 | travis_143cw | k, now that we have that clear and in the books |
| 20:16:35 | CoolMan | should i end the transcript now? |
| 20:16:41 | CoolMan | or leav it the way it is? |
| 20:16:45 | travis_143cw | um. |
| 20:16:52 | StarLight | I thought you did end it? |
| 20:17:06 | zwampy | I think 2. in board should be from the dev group |
| 20:17:09 | StarLight | leave not leav |
| 20:17:14 | travis_143cw | sure, unless you want to continue... i have some water, a bowl of popcorn, i am set for hours here! |
| 20:17:26 | travis_143cw | zwampy: at least 2 |
| 20:17:30 | CoolMan | i don't care, it's just so little underlings who don't dain to attend the meeting can know what's going on |
| 20:17:54 | CoolMan | we could continue, if there is anything else to talk about? |
| 20:18:11 | StarLight | I thought you did end it? didn't you? |
| 20:18:18 | zwampy | travis: yes |
| 20:18:31 | CoolMan | StarLight: It's just a cut/paste into a text editor |
| 20:18:36 | travis_143cw | keep in mind, this isnt for sure that this is going to turn into a company, but i will look into it heavily and see what we can do |
| 20:18:42 | zwampy | travis: I think the biggest problem is the starting fund |
| 20:18:52 | StarLight | oh |
| 20:18:55 | travis_143cw | yes forsure |
| 20:19:01 | CoolMan | zwampy: we can do it |
| 20:19:41 | zwampy | I know |
| 20:19:53 | zwampy | We can do it |
| 20:19:53 | zwampy | But it need to be done |
| 20:19:59 | CoolMan | it's just a matter of setting the company in place and then getting bigger companies (or rich people) interested |
| 20:20:16 | travis_143cw | how would funding come? we cant assume anything, but what are some ideas? |
| 20:20:17 | CoolMan | while still plugging away at the TuxBox itself |
| 20:20:30 | CoolMan | well, there is allways RedHat |
| 20:20:45 | CoolMan | and like SourceForge's company (VALinux?) |
| 20:20:50 | CoolMan | ETC. |
| 20:20:58 | travis_143cw | ibm? |
| 20:20:58 | CoolMan | then there are game companies |
| 20:21:06 | CoolMan | maybe, don't rule anybody out |
| 20:21:14 | CoolMan | (except Bill Gates) |
| 20:21:20 | travis_143cw | lol |
| 20:21:22 | CoolMan | lol |
| 20:22:06 | CoolMan | it shouldn't cost any money to put the company in place should it? |
| 20:22:09 | CoolMan | or not much? |
| 20:22:14 | travis_143cw | not way to much |
| 20:23:06 | zwampy | I think if we have man like Micahel in the board |
| 20:23:06 | zwampy | its lot more easyer |
| 20:23:17 | CoolMan | travis_143cw: BTW, would it be hard to put down co-founders? You are the leader, but the company idea was brought up by me... :D |
| 20:23:22 | CoolMan | 8-D |
| 20:23:47 | travis_143cw | zwampy: i agree, keep in mind i have only talked to him in emails, but he did say the tuxboxproject looks very interesting |
| 20:23:56 | [57th]cneal | ono, were still talking about it! |
| 20:24:09 | CoolMan | i agree as well, he could help |
| 20:24:10 | [57th]cneal | or you're talking about it :P |
| 20:24:28 | [57th]cneal | Hey, can I give you my idea of how we could run tuxbox? |
| 20:24:35 | travis_143cw | sure. |
| 20:24:36 | zwampy | I think VAlinux and Redhat will be good to us |
| 20:24:42 | [57th]cneal | Cool :) Let me think |
| 20:24:45 | zwampy | Mandrake to |
| 20:25:15 | CoolMan | is mandrake a company? |
| 20:25:20 | travis_143cw | yeah |
| 20:25:22 | zwampy | Yes |
| 20:25:25 | CoolMan | swift |
| 20:25:51 | zwampy | And its makeing lots of money |
| 20:25:59 | CoolMan | awesome |
| 20:26:10 | zwampy | And ... |
| 20:26:17 | zwampy | Its sponsoring little game project like us |
| 20:26:22 | zwampy | to being big |
| 20:26:28 | CoolMan | again awesome |
| 20:26:35 | zwampy | Like transgaming (www.transgaming.com) |
| 20:26:41 | adam | they're already doing stuff with transgaming |
| 20:26:50 | zwampy | I know |
| 20:26:56 | travis_143cw | lol |
| 20:27:08 | CoolMan | why didn't you tell me about the adam? |
| 20:27:13 | CoolMan | i like mandrake now! |
| 20:27:20 | adam | thought CoolMan knew |
| 20:27:34 | CoolMan | hehe |
| 20:27:47 | CoolMan | travis_143cw: so what about the co-founder thing? |
| 20:28:15 | zwampy | I want to be co-founder :) |
| 20:28:17 | travis_143cw | if any co-founder would be made, it would be sean isley i am sure |
| 20:28:24 | [57th]cneal | Ok, here it is |
| 20:28:24 | zwampy | but im only 16 :( |
| 20:28:32 | [57th]cneal | I got it all copied |
| 20:28:33 | CoolMan | travis_143cw: i don't know about business, founder is not importaint is it? except for fame? |
| 20:28:37 | [57th]cneal | ready? |
| 20:28:48 | CoolMan | sean isley left man |
| 20:28:54 | travis_143cw | founder is just fame and major decisions |
| 20:28:59 | [57th]cneal | :D |
| 20:29:00 | travis_143cw | but i dont care about fame |
| 20:29:01 | CoolMan | he had <I>better</I> things to do |
| 20:29:24 | travis_143cw | i actually wouldnt like it too much, but i could deal with it. |
| 20:29:27 | CoolMan | oh well, doesn't matter |
| 20:29:36 | travis_143cw | yeah, screw isley, jk |
| 20:29:38 | travis_143cw | =P |
| 20:29:44 | [57th]cneal | Ok, I'm going to paste my idea on how to run tuxboxes |
| 20:29:46 | zwampy | guys not talk about fame :) |
| 20:29:50 | travis_143cw | sean had some big family issues |
| 20:29:51 | zwampy | we need to make the plan |
| 20:30:08 | travis_143cw | cneal: no major flooding please |
| 20:30:17 | [57th]cneal | Here it is |
| 20:30:19 | [57th]cneal | How to run TuxBox 101 |
| 20:30:19 | [57th]cneal | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 20:30:19 | [57th]cneal | We would start out by getting a whole bunch of resellers like you and I, then we would sell the tuxbox, right. |
| 20:30:19 | [57th]cneal | But we would also let the software developers whom does not have a lot of money package their game with the tuxbox. We would then sell that + the fee for the games packaged and then take a % from the game as advertising cost. =D |
| 20:30:20 | CoolMan | i flooded the channel once |
| 20:30:35 | [57th]cneal | Cool eh :D |
| 20:30:38 | adam | hey, I know this is a dumb question, but how are you guys doing on the whole "graphical boot in <8 seconds" thing? |
| 20:30:58 | CoolMan | less proccesses |
| 20:31:02 | CoolMan | (no httpd) |
| 20:31:06 | CoolMan | ETC. |
| 20:31:16 | CoolMan | and other things |
| 20:31:19 | adam | still |
| 20:31:42 | zwampy | adam: I think its no problem, but 8 is a small number :) |
| 20:31:44 | travis_143cw | cneal: we were thinking along those lines, but with a distributor |
| 20:31:55 | CoolMan | plus, we will need a special BIOS anywa |
| 20:31:58 | CoolMan | anyway |
| 20:32:07 | adam | linuxbios? |
| 20:32:09 | CoolMan | just for the boot graphics |
| 20:32:13 | [57th]cneal | Fine, thats it. I'm gone |
| 20:32:18 | [57th]cneal | is away: I'm away! |
| 20:32:18 | adam | not really |
| 20:32:25 | adam | not for boot graphics |
| 20:32:35 | CoolMan | when it first boots |
| 20:32:37 | CoolMan | yeah |
| 20:32:38 | adam | i know |
| 20:32:45 | CoolMan | like the emachines logo thing |
| 20:32:46 | travis_143cw | brb |
| 20:32:50 | adam | you can modify an award bios for that |
| 20:32:55 | CoolMan | hmmm |
| 20:32:57 | adam | it's not too hard |
| 20:33:13 | adam | but pc bios is really unnecessary for a game console |
| 20:33:30 | zwampy | I think we can use the MacOS boot ideas |
| 20:34:57 | zwampy | Are someone writing the biz plan? |
| 20:35:19 | CoolMan | well, i think we should be done, because I'm tried and we are not getting anywhere |
| 20:35:42 | CoolMan | besides, this transcript is getting huge |
| 20:35:44 | StarLight | right you are alex! |
| 20:37:07 | travis_143cw | back |
| 20:37:21 | CoolMan | i think i should end the transcript |
| 20:37:25 | CoolMan | i need to go |
| 20:37:26 | zwampy | ok |
| 20:37:33 | CoolMan | ok trav? |
| 20:37:36 | travis_143cw | yeah thats fine |
| 20:37:46 | CoolMan | we made some progress!!!!! |
| 20:37:50 | CoolMan | w00t w00t! |
| 20:37:54 | zwampy | lol |
| 20:38:02 | travis_143cw | yeah, and made travis a headache with lots of thoughts |
| 20:38:10 | travis_143cw | and concerns |
| 20:38:14 | StarLight | you sound like dibert alex |
| 20:38:14 | travis_143cw | =P |
| 20:38:21 | CoolMan | i will do some research on businesses, and wait for logiech's reply, and work on smoke untill they do |
| 20:38:25 | zwampy | travis: Make the biz plan :) |
| 20:38:40 | travis_143cw | CoolMan: i can do the business part |
| 20:38:49 | CoolMan | don't worry travis, everything will work out |
| 20:38:50 | travis_143cw | CoolMan: look into capital and funding |
| 20:38:57 | CoolMan | that's what i ment |
| 20:39:09 | zwampy | Im gonna look at some funding ideas |
| 20:39:10 | travis_143cw | zwampy: make supa kewl webpage if you wish |
| 20:39:16 | CoolMan | ends transcript (Again) |
| 20:39:19 | travis_143cw | lol |
| 20:39:21 | zwampy | im working on it |
| 20:39:48 | travis_143cw | StarLight: you can be the coolest young girl i know for having interest in this |
| 20:40:08 | StarLight | thanks |
| 20:40:09 | travis_143cw | travis_143cw: have smoke break, then work on business plan and come up with ideas in general |
| 20:40:23 | zwampy | lol |
| 20:40:25 | travis_143cw | remember guys, this will all take time, quite a bit of time, that is how it goes |
| 20:40:32 | zwampy | I know |
| 20:40:35 | CoolMan | true, true |
| 20:40:44 | zwampy | We need to have it well done |
| 20:40:52 | travis_143cw | is glad he was forced to come up with a hypothetical company in his classes |
| 20:40:53 | CoolMan | cya all, i have some stuff to do! |
| 20:41:02 | CoolMan | is glad about that too. |
| 20:41:03 | zwampy | Cya CoolMan |
| 20:41:08 | zwampy | to |
| 20:41:11 | travis_143cw | also notes out of the class competition, my group won! |
| 20:41:15 | travis_143cw | later all |
| 20:41:20 | CoolMan | travis_143cw: and you said it was useless then didn't you? |
| 20:41:40 | travis_143cw | well, i thuoght it was cool, but didnt think it was ever gonna come into play |
| 20:41:45 | travis_143cw | we will see guys |
| 20:41:52 | travis_143cw | give it time and patience and lots of thoughts |
| 20:41:57 | travis_143cw | later all |
| 20:42:02 | zwampy | Enjoy your smoke break ;) |
| 20:42:11 | travis_143cw | screams "Smoke break!" |
| 20:42:18 | travis_143cw | thank you zwampy |
| 20:42:20 | travis_143cw | brb |
| 20:43:32 | StarLight | bye |
| 21:11:11 | zwampy | Travis |
| 21:11:15 | zwampy | when you are back |
| 21:11:29 | zwampy | I need to show you some layout tests I have made |
| 21:22:03 | travis_143cw | back |
| 21:22:16 | zwampy | http://www.ground-unit.com/tuxbox.gif |
| 21:22:39 | zwampy | just starting |
| 21:23:15 | travis_143cw | excellant look |
| 21:23:30 | travis_143cw | a few things i would like to talk to you about |
| 21:23:31 | zwampy | like this? |
| 21:23:35 | zwampy | ok |
| 21:23:46 | zwampy | what? ;) |
| 21:23:52 | travis_143cw | Do not lock in the name TuxBox |
| 21:24:01 | zwampy | ok |
| 21:24:06 | travis_143cw | make it so the name could be easily changed |
| 21:24:13 | zwampy | yes |
| 21:24:22 | zwampy | good idea |
| 21:24:24 | travis_143cw | like lets say a potential company name |
| 21:24:48 | zwampy | ok |
| 21:24:55 | zwampy | np |
| 21:25:15 | travis_143cw | also, take on a completely company look to the page (which you are doing) |
| 21:25:26 | zwampy | ok ;) |
| 21:25:42 | zwampy | np tp |
| 21:25:44 | zwampy | np to |
| 21:25:58 | travis_143cw | make sure we dont use any copyrighted material from anybody else, that is bad |
| 21:26:07 | travis_143cw | try to use png when possible |
| 21:26:08 | zwampy | Ok |
| 21:26:17 | zwampy | png will be used |
| 21:26:21 | travis_143cw | cool |
| 21:26:57 | travis_143cw | take a look at other corporate webpages, we want the site large with as much info as possible |
| 21:27:10 | travis_143cw | with a links page somewhere |
| 21:27:10 | zwampy | Yes |
| 21:27:21 | zwampy | THats np |
| 21:27:27 | travis_143cw | development page, with all sorts of development info avialalbe |
| 21:27:30 | travis_143cw | forums |
| 21:27:34 | zwampy | ok |
| 21:27:37 | zwampy | all np |
| 21:27:57 | travis_143cw | make it as big as possible, of course fast loading is good =P |
| 21:28:06 | zwampy | ;) |
| 21:28:17 | zwampy | Do you want it on 100mb server? |
| 21:28:19 | zwampy | thats np |
| 21:28:28 | travis_143cw | the webpage we currently have, has very little information, which makes me upset. I want loads of info! |
| 21:28:35 | zwampy | Yes |
| 21:28:42 | zwampy | Thats for all, LOTS OF INFO |
| 21:28:45 | travis_143cw | well should we just host it on frognet still, or i think you mentioned your server |
| 21:28:48 | zwampy | With very good FAQ |
| 21:29:19 | zwampy | I have to servers |
| 21:29:22 | zwampy | One here at home |
| 21:29:31 | zwampy | and on in a loca internet company |
| 21:29:32 | zwampy | ;) |
| 21:29:49 | travis_143cw | well, what kind of bandwidth, price are we looking at? |
| 21:30:07 | zwampy | none |
| 21:30:20 | travis_143cw | no bandwidth... :/ |
| 21:30:21 | travis_143cw | JK |
| 21:30:38 | zwampy | Are you talking about what I pay for this server? |
| 21:30:41 | travis_143cw | what is the speed of the lines we could use? |
| 21:30:52 | zwampy | That is 100mb |
| 21:30:57 | zwampy | per second |
| 21:31:03 | travis_143cw | nice |
| 21:31:06 | zwampy | The server is FreeBSD, 512mb ram, 700mhz |
| 21:31:13 | zwampy | 90gb of hdd space |
| 21:31:18 | travis_143cw | it wouldnt cost us anything? |
| 21:31:23 | zwampy | nope |
| 21:31:25 | zwampy | not a thing |
| 21:31:34 | travis_143cw | sweet, long term hosting? |
| 21:31:38 | zwampy | Yes |
| 21:31:50 | travis_143cw | great! |
| 21:31:54 | travis_143cw | also |
| 21:32:15 | travis_143cw | could we host other pages off of our page? |
| 21:32:29 | travis_143cw | or have seperate logins for members to edit certain pages? |
| 21:32:58 | zwampy | sure |
| 21:33:05 | zwampy | www.tuxboxproject.com/travis |
| 21:33:08 | zwampy | is np |
| 21:33:46 | travis_143cw | what i mean is like, could each user have log in rights? |
| 21:33:53 | travis_143cw | so they can only edit certain pages? |
| 21:34:25 | zwampy | Yeap |
| 21:34:28 | travis_143cw | cool |
| 21:34:41 | travis_143cw | also, dont put a teams page down |
| 21:34:46 | travis_143cw | we are getting rid of that |
| 21:34:55 | zwampy | ok |
| 21:34:59 | travis_143cw | but we want different sections within the development pages |
| 21:35:44 | zwampy | How many developers are in the project now? |
| 21:35:46 | zwampy | do you think? |
| 21:36:35 | travis_143cw | well, not too many at the present moment, some are on and off |
| 21:36:57 | travis_143cw | but we do need a long term web developer (hint hint) |
| 21:37:03 | travis_143cw | :-) |
| 21:37:43 | zwampy | :) |
| 21:37:54 | zwampy | Are you working on the plan? |
| 21:38:06 | travis_143cw | starting it, i have college work to do tonight also |
| 21:38:29 | travis_143cw | the business plan will take a while yet, they take a lot of work and thinking to make them good |
| 21:38:41 | zwampy | yes |
| 21:38:43 | travis_143cw | but i know how to get a really good start from my classes i have taken in business |
| 21:38:56 | zwampy | Can you mail me everything you create about the plan |
| 21:38:59 | zwampy | gsm@simnet.is |
| 21:39:05 | zwampy | ok |
| 21:39:45 | travis_143cw | well, i will let you know when i finish it, cause i have already changed a few aspects a couple of times |
| 21:40:19 | travis_143cw | by the way, we are gonna start meetings every sunday same time |
| 21:40:19 | zwampy | I want to see all versions of it |
| 21:40:30 | zwampy | from alpha1 to final :) |
| 21:40:35 | zwampy | ok |
| 21:40:59 | travis_143cw | well, i dont think i am gonna release anything but the last version, and then everyone will sit down and discuss it |
| 21:41:10 | zwampy | ok |
| 21:41:15 | travis_143cw | just to keep me sane |
| 21:41:48 | travis_143cw | well, i need to work for a tiny bit |
| 21:41:52 | travis_143cw | i will be back in a while |
| 21:42:01 | travis|afk | keep up the good work |
| 21:42:02 | travis|afk | thanks! |
| 21:42:06 | zwampy | ok thx |
| 21:42:08 | zwampy | cya! |
| 23:35:07 | [57th]cneal | Hi Casanova |
| 23:35:11 | [57th]cneal | is back (gone 03:02:53) |
| 23:52:22 | travis|afk | hey bake, nice of you to make it now.... |
| 23:55:30 | Bakemono | travis|busy!!! |
| 23:55:31 | Bakemono | no!!! |
