| 00:00:47 | [57th]cneal | There, and I up his priority on the project list |
| 00:01:18 | [57th]cneal | WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:01:46 | CodeMonster | ? |
| 00:02:00 | [57th]cneal | Hey CodeMonster |
| 00:02:08 | [57th]cneal | Wanna work on the tuxbox flyer with me? |
| 00:02:14 | CodeMonster | can't right now |
| 00:02:15 | CodeMonster | busy |
| 00:02:21 | [57th]cneal | dammit |
| 00:02:33 | | yes, [57th]cneal? |
| 00:02:33 | [57th]cneal | ibot |
| 00:02:46 | | [57th]cneal: no idea |
| 00:02:46 | [57th]cneal | ibot, where did cronotrg go?? |
| 00:02:50 | | yes, [57th]cneal? |
| 00:02:50 | [57th]cneal | ibot |
| 00:02:53 | | [57th]cneal: huh? |
| 00:02:53 | [57th]cneal | ibot, you suck |
| 00:09:02 | [57th]cneal|IHATEiBot | WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:09:07 | CodeMonster | ? |
| 00:09:12 | CodeMonster | calm down yo |
| 03:32:58 | Bakemono | hey |
| 03:58:33 | CoolMan | hello? |
| 03:58:37 | CoolMan | anybody home? |
| 03:58:52 | CoolMan | oh no, it's the channel of the living dead |
| 04:00:01 | Bakemono | hey |
| 04:00:12 | CoolMan | hey yoyo |
| 04:00:25 | CoolMan | you are coming to the meeting tomorrow right? |
| 04:00:34 | Bakemono | yup |
| 04:00:41 | CoolMan | sweet |
| 04:01:08 | CoolMan | i'm probably going to release smoke 0.01a and DGI 1.0 tonight or tommorow |
| 04:01:26 | CoolMan | (i know, i know i said that before, but this is different.) |
| 04:01:33 | CoolMan | 8^P |
| 04:01:41 | [57th]cneal|IHATEiBot | <- |
| 04:01:53 | CoolMan | hello |
| 04:01:58 | Bakemono | hehe |
| 04:01:58 | [57th]cneal|IHATEiBot | vgh |
| 04:02:08 | Bakemono | I'm working on some stuff for Arianne |
| 04:02:11 | CoolMan | i guess not everyone is entirely zombified after all |
| 04:02:12 | Bakemono | http://arianne.sourceforge.net |
| 04:02:15 | Bakemono | it's a cool project |
| 04:02:19 | CoolMan | yeah? |
| 04:02:19 | Bakemono | but it needed my help |
| 04:02:20 | Bakemono | :P |
| 04:02:21 | [57th]cneal|IHATEiBot | I cant wait to see your demo |
| 04:02:22 | CoolMan | what do they do? |
| 04:02:31 | Bakemono | Arianne is a MMORPG |
| 04:02:35 | Bakemono | open source of course |
| 04:02:35 | Bakemono | :) |
| 04:02:40 | CoolMan | cneal: thx dude |
| 04:02:42 | Bakemono | it could be very cool |
| 04:02:47 | CoolMan | bake: sweet |
| 04:02:51 | Bakemono | I' |
| 04:03:05 | Bakemono | I'm gonna write them a few lines of code |
| 04:03:13 | CoolMan | sweet |
| 04:03:16 | Bakemono | nothin' much |
| 04:03:21 | CoolMan | what? |
| 04:03:22 | Bakemono | < 500 lines of code |
| 04:03:28 | CoolMan | what will it do? |
| 04:03:39 | Bakemono | load "Objects" from files |
| 04:03:49 | Bakemono | stuff like doors and animals and monsters |
| 04:03:53 | CoolMan | ohok |
| 04:03:58 | Bakemono | every object in the world is stored in these files |
| 04:03:59 | CoolMan | sounds cool |
| 04:04:09 | CoolMan | brb |
| 04:04:11 | Bakemono | and it's my job to make sure these files are loaded correctly |
| 04:04:12 | Bakemono | k |
| 04:06:03 | CoolMan | now these 'objects' can move around in the world? |
| 04:06:25 | Bakemono | yes |
| 04:06:38 | Bakemono | there are active objects and passive objects |
| 04:06:51 | Bakemono | the 2 examples the dood gave me were a dog and a door |
| 04:06:51 | CoolMan | objects that move by themselves |
| 04:06:54 | CoolMan | like monsters |
| 04:06:57 | Bakemono | yes |
| 04:07:03 | CoolMan | and objects that don't |
| 04:07:06 | CoolMan | like paper |
| 04:07:11 | CoolMan | (or somthing( |
| 04:07:13 | Bakemono | yeah |
| 04:07:17 | CoolMan | sweet |
| 04:07:27 | CoolMan | networked? |
| 04:07:34 | Bakemono | oh yeah |
| 04:07:38 | Bakemono | check out the web site |
| 04:07:43 | CoolMan | k |
| 04:07:47 | Bakemono | it's got a development road map |
| 04:07:54 | CoolMan | sweet |
| 04:08:07 | Bakemono | they are looking to release |
| 04:08:09 | CoolMan | i've never played anything like that tho |
| 04:08:10 | Bakemono | they are looking to release Alpha 2 soon |
| 04:08:15 | CoolMan | sweet |
| 04:08:49 | CoolMan | what is the point of the game? |
| 04:09:05 | Bakemono | to get away from reality :) |
| 04:09:16 | Bakemono | (not a joke) |
| 04:09:25 | CoolMan | hmmm |
| 04:09:29 | Bakemono | that's as short a description of role playing as I can give you |
| 04:09:35 | CoolMan | so there is no plot, or anything? |
| 04:09:41 | Bakemono | there could be |
| 04:09:50 | Bakemono | there is no beginning or end of the game |
| 04:09:58 | CoolMan | hmmm |
| 04:10:03 | CoolMan | tell me more? |
| 04:10:51 | Bakemono | just like in real life, assuming there is something after death |
| 04:11:00 | Bakemono | I've played a few |
| 04:11:38 | CoolMan | i tried once, but i must have done somthing wrong... |
| 04:11:51 | CoolMan | i don't know tho, i like games like zelda or riven |
| 04:11:53 | Bakemono | the concept has potential, but the worlds are almost always soured by stupid fuckers playing just to gain levels |
| 04:12:21 | Bakemono | I've played ultima online and everquest |
| 04:12:50 | Bakemono | if there was any roleplaying in the world, it went out the door 5 minutes after the first beta servers opened up |
| 04:13:00 | CoolMan | hmmm |
| 04:13:06 | CoolMan | how does that work? |
| 04:13:13 | CoolMan | "gain levels"? |
| 04:13:25 | Bakemono | people run around killing as many monsters as they can |
| 04:13:41 | Bakemono | to gain experience |
| 04:13:42 | CoolMan | what's bad about that? |
| 04:14:07 | CoolMan | or am i missing somthing? |
| 04:14:11 | Bakemono | it destroys the role playing environment |
| 04:14:24 | CoolMan | what, do the monsters go away? |
| 04:14:28 | Bakemono | you'd probably have to play a real role playing game like D&D to understand |
| 04:14:32 | CoolMan | and there are no monsters left? |
| 04:14:39 | Bakemono | no, that doesn't happen |
| 04:14:41 | CoolMan | i probably would |
| 04:14:51 | CoolMan | but, i don't think i will |
| 04:14:54 | [57th]cneal|IHATEiBot | Check this game out http://www.geocities.com/jneal92/tuxflyer.html |
| 04:15:08 | Bakemono | but imagine yourself in a magical mid-evil world |
| 04:15:20 | CoolMan | it sounds fascinating, but it sounds TOO fascinating, then i won't work on the TuxBox |
| 04:15:31 | CoolMan | on the tuxflyer? |
| 04:15:32 | Bakemono | do you think EVERY person in the world would be running around with sword in hand looking for dragons? |
| 04:15:34 | CoolMan | i downloaded that |
| 04:15:55 | [57th]cneal|IHATEiBot | "Tux flyer, the flying tuxbox game" |
| 04:16:05 | [57th]cneal|IHATEiBot | @ http://www.geocities.com/jneal92/tuxflyer.html |
| 04:16:12 | CoolMan | checking |
| 04:16:32 | [57th]cneal|IHATEiBot | Collect the cash while avoiding the birdy bombers |
| 04:16:32 | Bakemono | hmm |
| 04:16:45 | CoolMan | ic |
| 04:16:56 | CoolMan | you developing that yourself cneal? |
| 04:17:36 | [57th]cneal|IHATEiBot | Not yet, first I gotta take care of the flyer but after I will and maybe get some help on creating the images as well |
| 04:17:47 | CoolMan | you know C? |
| 04:18:11 | [57th]cneal|IHATEiBot | I know a little C++ all the way till it starts talking about pointers. Then I'm lost |
| 04:18:24 | CoolMan | really? |
| 04:18:29 | [57th]cneal|IHATEiBot | Yeah |
| 04:18:32 | CoolMan | pointers are scary things |
| 04:18:38 | [57th]cneal|IHATEiBot | Just basic C++ |
| 04:18:43 | Bakemono | mmm...pointers... |
| 04:18:48 | CoolMan | unless you understand what is going on |
| 04:19:04 | CoolMan | personally, now once i know about them, i like pointers |
| 04:19:06 | Bakemono | if you have any questions about pointers ask away |
| 04:19:17 | Bakemono | CoolMan: pointers are fun :) |
| 04:19:25 | CoolMan | check this out, (if C++ is anything like C) |
| 04:19:39 | CoolMan | struct game **gamelist; |
| 04:19:48 | CoolMan | that is a line from smoke |
| 04:20:03 | CoolMan | bake: oh yeah |
| 04:20:07 | Bakemono | that could mean multiple things |
| 04:20:20 | CoolMan | its a pointer pointer |
| 04:20:25 | Bakemono | it could be a 2d array of type 'struct game' |
| 04:20:36 | CoolMan | (or, a dynamically allocated array of pointers) |
| 04:20:37 | Bakemono | or it could be a 1d array of type 'struct game*' |
| 04:21:07 | Bakemono | or it could be you not having a clue how the fuck pointers work |
| 04:21:07 | Bakemono | :P |
| 04:21:10 | CoolMan | an array is pointers anyway |
| 04:21:17 | Bakemono | yeah |
| 04:21:21 | CoolMan | cneal: imagine this |
| 04:21:29 | Bakemono | you could say that |
| 04:21:49 | CoolMan | all memory is your computer, including your variables |
| 04:21:58 | Bakemono | foo[20] is the same thing as *(foo + 20) |
| 04:22:11 | CoolMan | has addresses where they live |
| 04:22:29 | [57th]cneal|IHATEiBot | vgs! |
| 04:22:35 | CoolMan | a pointer is simply a variable that holds addresses |
| 04:22:43 | | vgs is the Tribes language for 'Shazbot' as in 'Shazbot! Shazbot! Shazbot!'. Enjoy! By the way, check out #tuxboxproject |
| 04:22:43 | CoolMan | vgs? |
| 04:22:52 | Bakemono | ... |
| 04:22:56 | CoolMan | right... |
| 04:23:36 | CoolMan | you can even have a pointer to a subroutine! |
| 04:23:38 | [57th]cneal|IHATEiBot | ? |
| 04:23:59 | [57th]cneal|IHATEiBot | ?¿ |
| 04:24:04 | [57th]cneal|IHATEiBot | :) |
| 04:24:17 | CoolMan | yep, if you were to call a function that wanted to call your subroutine, how would you do that? |
| 04:24:27 | | [57th]cneal|IHATEiBot: excuse me? |
| 04:24:27 | [57th]cneal|IHATEiBot | ibot ?¿ |
| 04:24:39 | CoolMan | pass a pointer to your subroutine |
| 04:24:50 | | [57th]cneal|ihateibot: i don't know |
| 04:24:50 | [57th]cneal|IHATEiBot | ibot, what is a ?¿ |
| 04:25:04 | [57th]cneal|IHATEiBot | Ohhh I see |
| 04:25:35 | Bakemono | function1(function2); |
| 04:25:37 | Bakemono | pass |
| 04:25:42 | CoolMan | the tip about mastering pointers, is... |
| 04:25:46 | Bakemono | that passes the location of function2 to function1 |
| 04:25:52 | CoolMan | break it down |
| 04:26:10 | CoolMan | understand the concept, then figure out what each thing means |
| 04:26:11 | [57th]cneal|IHATEiBot | Damn!! I failed my C class because I didnt listen to the prof. Stupid me! |
| 04:26:36 | CoolMan | that sucks |
| 04:26:47 | [57th]cneal | is away: I'm away! |
| 04:26:49 | CoolMan | i taught myself C with |
| 04:26:55 | CoolMan | tada! C for Dummies! |
| 04:27:00 | [57th]cneal | I'mmmmmmmmmmmm aaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwaaaayyy!!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:27:08 | CoolMan | up, up, and away! |
| 04:27:09 | Bakemono | I taught myself C and C++ with |
| 04:27:17 | Bakemono | tada! 328973402 billion books! |
| 04:27:32 | CoolMan | lol |
| 04:27:43 | [57th]cneal | Where do you get C for dummies? |
| 04:27:50 | CoolMan | well... |
| 04:27:56 | CoolMan | any good book store |
| 04:28:05 | [57th]cneal | I need C for dummies |
| 04:28:11 | CoolMan | you can find them sometimes at half price books |
| 04:28:23 | CoolMan | barnes and noble is a good place |
| 04:28:28 | CoolMan | beware tho |
| 04:28:32 | [57th]cneal | I'm going to try and take the class again this summer after I finish Visual basic (again) |
| 04:28:38 | CoolMan | its very humorous |
| 04:28:51 | CoolMan | and there are two volumes |
| 04:29:17 | Bakemono | just pay attention in class |
| 04:29:23 | [57th]cneal | I took the first class not knowing that it was the more advance class and then I find that there were two so I'm taking easy class this time =) |
| 04:29:37 | [57th]cneal | in VB |
| 04:29:37 | CoolMan | lol |
| 04:29:46 | Bakemono | don't take VB!!! |
| 04:29:48 | Bakemono | NO!!! |
| 04:29:53 | [57th]cneal | Who knows, maybe I took the advance version of C? |
| 04:30:11 | [57th]cneal | Its required |
| 04:30:12 | Bakemono | what was the first thing your prof talked about in your C class? |
| 04:30:18 | CoolMan | basic sucks anyway, they didn't have to make it visual too |
| 04:30:21 | [57th]cneal | cout cin |
| 04:30:26 | Bakemono | nope |
| 04:30:31 | Bakemono | that isn't the advanced class :P |
| 04:30:38 | Bakemono | cout << "Hello, World" << endl; |
| 04:30:46 | CoolMan | i know no C++ |
| 04:30:58 | [57th]cneal | Well, I dont remember what he taught us the first day. I was thinking more about going home and chatting on the computer |
| 04:31:07 | CoolMan | i'm haunted by object oriented programming |
| 04:31:16 | Bakemono | CoolMan: that would do the same as "printf("Hello, World\n"); flush(stdout);" |
| 04:31:30 | CoolMan | i thought so |
| 04:31:38 | CoolMan | i remember that much |
| 04:31:44 | CoolMan | my dad has so many books |
| 04:32:03 | Bakemono | endl gives you a '\n' AND flushes stdout |
| 04:32:13 | Bakemono | rather, it flushes the stream |
| 04:32:16 | CoolMan | yay! |
| 04:32:33 | Bakemono | cout << "Hello, World\n"; and cout << |
| 04:32:36 | Bakemono | whops |
| 04:32:53 | Bakemono | cout << "Hello, World\n"; and cout << "Hello, World" << endl; aren't the same |
| 04:33:05 | Bakemono | contrary to popular belief |
| 04:33:16 | CoolMan | hmmm |
| 04:33:36 | [57th]cneal | Hellloooooo Woooooooorrrrrrlllllddddddd?¿ |
| 04:33:58 | Bakemono | the first one is like "printf("Hello, World\n")" and the second one is like "printf( |
| 04:34:02 | Bakemono | FUCKING ENTER KEY |
| 04:34:03 | Bakemono | DAMN IT |
| 04:34:19 | Bakemono | the first one is like "printf("Hello, World\n")" and the second one is like "printf("Hello, World\n"); flush(stdout);" |
| 04:34:28 | CoolMan | *bakemono's enter key falls into hell* |
| 04:34:55 | CoolMan | *screaming the whole way down, as it's plastic begins to drip...* |
| 04:37:32 | [57th]cneal | The Stooooooorrrm bAAAAAssssseeeeeeeeeee ison fIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIrrrrrrrrrrEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!?¿ |
| 04:37:47 | Bakemono | you know what they say about us programmers, we have long members |
| 04:50:16 | CoolMan | hey |
| 04:54:21 | CoolMan | hey |
| 04:54:26 | travis_143cw | hello |
| 04:54:49 | CoolMan | howsit gowin |
| 04:55:41 | [57th]cneal | Hey travis |
| 04:55:59 | travis_143cw | hello cneal |
| 04:56:02 | [57th]cneal | Travis, do you have contact with cronotrg or know where hes been? |
| 04:56:06 | travis_143cw | oh its going pretty good i guess |
| 04:56:40 | travis_143cw | chrono... i may be able to find his email... |
| 04:56:52 | Bakemono | hey |
| 04:56:59 | travis_143cw | hi sam |
| 04:57:10 | [57th]cneal | mmm |
| 04:57:40 | CoolMan | hey guys, i'm doing some of the final testing on Smoke and the DGI before i release them |
| 04:57:52 | Bakemono | very cool |
| 04:58:09 | [57th]cneal | Could you ask him when he will be back and if he has the flyer done and if he does if he can send it to me at cneal@fanciful.org or put it in the sourceforge tuxboxsoftware dload page |
| 04:58:24 | [57th]cneal | :) |
| 04:58:33 | travis_143cw | um... let me try to find his email |
| 04:58:38 | [57th]cneal | ok |
| 05:00:42 | travis_143cw | i dont think i have it |
| 05:00:53 | [57th]cneal | o |
| 05:09:40 | CoolMan | i gotta go dudes, cyall |
| 05:09:44 | travis_143cw | later man |
| 05:09:55 | travis_143cw | well guys, i am going to a party, i will be back. |
| 05:10:02 | Bakemono | later |
| 05:11:49 | [57th]cneal | have fun :) |
| 07:40:05 | Bakemono | anyone alive? |
| 07:46:09 | [57th]cneal | ? |
| 07:46:29 | [57th]cneal | ?¿ |
| 07:46:51 | Bakemono | hey |
| 07:46:59 | [57th]cneal | ?¿?¿ |
| 07:47:28 | [57th]cneal | mmm |
| 07:47:48 | [57th]cneal | sup |
| 07:52:10 | [57th]cneal | :p |
| 07:52:33 | Bakemono | nothin' much |
| 07:52:56 | [57th]cneal | ?¿ |
| 07:53:09 | [57th]cneal | ?Bakemono¿ |
| 07:53:33 | [57th]cneal | hmm |
| 07:53:40 | [57th]cneal | I'm bored |
| 07:53:52 | | cronotrg was last seen on #tuxboxproject 7 days, 58 minutes and 32 seconds ago, saying: you could always *coughdownloadcough* it [Sun Jan 27 06:55:20 2002] |
| 07:53:52 | [57th]cneal | ibot seen cronotrg |
| 09:15:24 | [57th]cneal | hi |
| 09:15:30 | ag3nt_0rang3 | y0 |
| 17:08:37 | travis_143cw | Bake, are you here? |
| 17:40:48 | CoolMan | hello all |
| 17:40:57 | Bakemono | heyo |
| 17:42:20 | CoolMan | is travis really here? |
| 17:42:56 | Bakemono | ? |
| 17:42:58 | Bakemono | hmm |
| 17:43:03 | Bakemono | maybe... |
| 17:43:04 | CoolMan | is he a zombie? |
| 17:43:14 | CoolMan | i hope nobody forgot |
| 17:43:26 | Bakemono | who all was coming? |
| 17:43:45 | CoolMan | you, me, travis, and i think maybe snake and sombody |
| 17:44:02 | CoolMan | travis might have told some people |
| 17:44:07 | CoolMan | other that that |
| 17:44:22 | Bakemono | i see |
| 17:45:03 | CoolMan | i have, like, 30 minutes of work to do to release smoke and DGI 1.0 |
| 17:45:16 | Bakemono | sweet |
| 17:45:25 | CoolMan | but i'm too lazy ;-P |
| 17:45:53 | CoolMan | i'm running gaim |
| 17:46:13 | CoolMan | so any traffic in this channel will pop this window up over everything else |
| 17:46:41 | CoolMan | so, i'll be working on releasing that stuff while we wait for travis |
| 17:47:10 | Bakemono | ok |
| 17:48:17 | travis_143cw | hey guys |
| 17:48:24 | CoolMan | hey, dude |
| 17:48:33 | CoolMan | who else was supposed to show? |
| 17:48:34 | travis_143cw | i was just talking to someone on the phone |
| 17:49:04 | travis_143cw | this is good enough, i msged silverado the other day via email, he never responded, and nickels said he might be able to come |
| 17:49:47 | Bakemono | hey trav |
| 17:49:48 | travis_143cw | hey man |
| 17:49:54 | Bakemono | I'm actually awake... |
| 17:49:54 | CoolMan | should we wait? |
| 17:49:55 | Bakemono | some how... |
| 17:50:01 | travis_143cw | we can start |
| 17:50:04 | CoolMan | ok |
| 17:50:10 | travis_143cw | some how? |
| 17:50:18 | travis_143cw | oh i see |
| 17:50:20 | travis_143cw | lol |
| 17:50:20 | Bakemono | d00d... it's 10 AM here... |
| 17:50:24 | CoolMan | sadly, i have NOT GOTTEN EMAIL BACK FROM THE HAMVENTION |
| 17:50:24 | travis_143cw | thanks bake! |
| 17:50:32 | CoolMan | bake, you da man |
| 17:50:33 | Bakemono | suck my balz |
| 17:50:34 | travis_143cw | that sucks coolman |
| 17:50:43 | travis_143cw | um no bake.... |
| 17:50:45 | travis_143cw | lol |
| 17:50:58 | CoolMan | travis: yeah it does, so we can't make any *real* descisions here now |
| 17:51:09 | Bakemono | !! |
| 17:51:18 | travis_143cw | well i have some things to talk about... |
| 17:51:20 | Bakemono | that's it...I'm going back to bed... |
| 17:51:29 | CoolMan | bake: you know i was up at 8:06 for church |
| 17:51:30 | travis_143cw | shut up bake, not yet |
| 17:51:49 | travis_143cw | i had to set my alarm for 11:30 to make sure i was up to |
| 17:51:59 | Bakemono | CoolMan: you know, I was up at 8:06 trying to get some sleep |
| 17:52:05 | CoolMan | lol |
| 17:52:06 | travis_143cw | lol |
| 17:52:12 | travis_143cw | i believe him too! |
| 17:52:16 | Bakemono | my alarm never does me much good |
| 17:52:26 | CoolMan | i went to bed at 1:00 am, didn't get to sleep untill 2:30 |
| 17:52:37 | Bakemono | I _ALWAYS_ wake up like 10 minutes before it's set if there is something important |
| 17:52:47 | CoolMan | well that's good |
| 17:52:58 | CoolMan | i used to be able to do that... |
| 17:53:21 | travis_143cw | ANYWAYS>... |
| 17:53:27 | Bakemono | d00ds, give me 5 minutes |
| 17:53:35 | CoolMan | anyway, dudes, we should get the train amovin' cause if we hurry, i can get my hair cut before the church superbowl party |
| 17:53:35 | travis_143cw | 5 min for what? |
| 17:53:41 | Bakemono | I'm gonna go see if I can get my dad to make me some tea |
| 17:53:47 | Bakemono | brb |
| 17:53:54 | travis_143cw | do i have time for a quick smoke then? |
| 17:53:56 | travis_143cw | lol |
| 17:54:01 | CoolMan | skip the tea, go for pure caffine |
| 17:54:06 | CoolMan | mountain dew |
| 17:54:08 | Bakemono | start the meeting |
| 17:54:11 | travis_143cw | k |
| 17:54:13 | travis_143cw | lol |
| 17:54:16 | Bakemono | tea.... |
| 17:54:17 | Bakemono | brb |
| 17:54:23 | travis_143cw | god.... |
| 17:54:24 | travis_143cw | lol |
| 17:54:25 | CoolMan | should i go first travis? |
| 17:54:32 | CoolMan | when he's back |
| 17:54:34 | travis_143cw | if you want |
| 17:54:45 | travis_143cw | otherwise i have some things to cover |
| 17:54:53 | CoolMan | flip a coin |
| 17:55:04 | travis_143cw | serious? |
| 17:55:07 | CoolMan | yeah |
| 17:55:20 | CoolMan | ill call it in the air... |
| 17:55:22 | CoolMan | j/k |
| 17:55:33 | travis_143cw | the coin is flipped... heads or tails? |
| 17:55:40 | CoolMan | hmmm... |
| 17:55:51 | CoolMan | heads, because i don't have a tail |
| 17:56:04 | travis_143cw | it is actually tails... but you can go first if you really want |
| 17:56:12 | CoolMan | i could acually care |
| 17:56:22 | CoolMan | under the right circumstances |
| 17:56:28 | CoolMan | but right now, i don't |
| 17:56:36 | CoolMan | the coin says you first |
| 17:56:53 | CoolMan | i am transcripting this conversation btw |
| 17:56:53 | travis_143cw | alright |
| 17:57:00 | travis_143cw | see if bake returns anytime soon |
| 17:57:06 | CoolMan | i will save it and maybe post it in the forums? |
| 17:57:25 | CoolMan | along with timestamps and everything |
| 17:57:33 | travis_143cw | well whatever you want |
| 17:58:06 | CoolMan | if we make some importaint business descisions, we want the non-core developers to know |
| 17:58:21 | CoolMan | oh, i set up the standard for the tuxbox game saving thing |
| 17:58:30 | travis_143cw | excellant |
| 17:58:32 | CoolMan | at least, on the harddrive |
| 17:59:02 | CoolMan | if we want to do memory cards, we will have to change the standard, but it's flexible |
| 17:59:11 | CoolMan | i made it flexible |
| 17:59:14 | travis_143cw | harddrive is good enough |
| 17:59:17 | travis_143cw | is it one file? |
| 17:59:22 | CoolMan | yes |
| 17:59:22 | travis_143cw | or more? |
| 17:59:26 | travis_143cw | k good |
| 17:59:36 | travis_143cw | i think we want it network transferable |
| 17:59:37 | CoolMan | smoke passes a filename that the program is allowed to use |
| 17:59:50 | CoolMan | if they want to make it a tar archive they can |
| 17:59:57 | CoolMan | it's just a file |
| 18:00:06 | travis_143cw | good |
| 18:00:09 | CoolMan | we can use any X utilities that we want |
| 18:00:30 | CoolMan | smoke passes like, 4 args to the program |
| 18:00:37 | travis_143cw | well in the future, we could make it so you can transfer saves over the internet to a friends house or something |
| 18:00:50 | CoolMan | that should be simple |
| 18:00:54 | travis_143cw | almost like a p2p |
| 18:00:59 | travis_143cw | but not the same.... |
| 18:01:10 | CoolMan | over the internet? or lan? |
| 18:01:13 | travis_143cw | probably pw protected p2p |
| 18:01:27 | travis_143cw | either Internet or lan |
| 18:01:36 | CoolMan | cause i'm guessing that internet access will be provided through a lan card |
| 18:01:48 | travis_143cw | well yes, of course |
| 18:02:22 | CoolMan | like, a cable modem connects to the network interface through TCP-IP |
| 18:02:38 | CoolMan | Bakemono has been kidnapped. |
| 18:02:42 | travis_143cw | well yes |
| 18:02:48 | CoolMan | lol |
| 18:03:06 | travis_143cw | if you connect to a LAN, or to a DSL modem or cable modem, it wont matter, they should all get you to the net |
| 18:03:23 | CoolMan | theres one thing i worry about |
| 18:03:30 | travis_143cw | what is that? |
| 18:04:06 | CoolMan | networking options |
| 18:04:16 | CoolMan | man, what about IP addresses? |
| 18:04:28 | CoolMan | gateway configurations? |
| 18:04:35 | CoolMan | Etc. etc. |
| 18:04:50 | CoolMan | will the user have controll over those? |
| 18:05:01 | CoolMan | or will it *somehow* be automated? |
| 18:05:03 | travis_143cw | we will just make a frontend to set it up under linux |
| 18:05:22 | travis_143cw | there is no way we could properly set up their network for them.... |
| 18:05:36 | CoolMan | ok, and of course, the user will have to buy USB mouse and keyboard |
| 18:05:55 | Bakemono | I'm back |
| 18:06:06 | CoolMan | finally |
| 18:06:15 | CoolMan | ok, travis, lay out your point |
| 18:06:24 | CoolMan | i'm listening |
| 18:06:32 | travis_143cw | ok |
| 18:06:52 | travis_143cw | one thing i want to talk about is finalizing the hardware specs |
| 18:07:10 | CoolMan | good, somthing that needs discused |
| 18:07:14 | travis_143cw | do you guys think the current specs look good? |
| 18:07:20 | CoolMan | i was going to bring it up if you didn't |
| 18:07:23 | CoolMan | hmmm |
| 18:07:31 | CoolMan | i like the specs |
| 18:07:38 | travis_143cw | there is only one problem so far... |
| 18:07:43 | travis_143cw | and that is the motherboard |
| 18:07:46 | CoolMan | for practical purposes, the CPU speed looks fine |
| 18:08:04 | CoolMan | we don't want to aproach Ghz |
| 18:08:14 | CoolMan | what's wrong with the motherboard? |
| 18:08:40 | travis_143cw | i cant find an nForce based mobo in MicroATX form facter... |
| 18:09:03 | CoolMan | duh what? |
| 18:09:23 | CoolMan | we were going to have onboard video?! |
| 18:09:32 | travis_143cw | yes. |
| 18:09:38 | travis_143cw | Silverado suggested it.... |
| 18:09:40 | CoolMan | i seriously doubt that that is possible |
| 18:10:09 | travis_143cw | it is fully possible, why wouldnt it be? |
| 18:10:12 | travis_143cw | saves money. |
| 18:10:29 | travis_143cw | it has very good multimedia capabilities |
| 18:10:41 | travis_143cw | have you seen the nForce benchmarks?!?! |
| 18:10:52 | CoolMan | we are talking about everything else being on board right? |
| 18:11:09 | travis_143cw | sound, video, network |
| 18:11:39 | CoolMan | ok, i don't know if they make this but, here goes... |
| 18:12:01 | CoolMan | some kind of pci adaptor that lays the card down... |
| 18:12:10 | CoolMan | or are we going AGP? |
| 18:12:38 | CoolMan | what do you guys think? |
| 18:12:44 | travis_143cw | yes there is |
| 18:12:49 | Bakemono | what other way is there? |
| 18:12:56 | Bakemono | do they still make pci video cards? |
| 18:12:58 | travis_143cw | as in instead of the card sticking straight up, it will go sideways? |
| 18:13:04 | CoolMan | right |
| 18:13:15 | CoolMan | like the pci interface is at a right angle |
| 18:13:19 | travis_143cw | yes bake, i think they do, but that isnt a very good idea do you think? |
| 18:13:29 | CoolMan | crap, i need to answer the phone |
| 18:13:32 | Bakemono | no |
| 18:13:33 | CoolMan | brb |
| 18:13:46 | Bakemono | they probably don't have much support |
| 18:13:52 | Bakemono | (I'm not sure how much they'd need) |
| 18:14:01 | travis_143cw | pci? |
| 18:14:25 | Bakemono | yeah |
| 18:14:30 | Bakemono | new pci video cards |
| 18:15:08 | travis_143cw | do a quick search |
| 18:15:27 | Bakemono | hmm |
| 18:15:58 | Bakemono | that might be a challanging search |
| 18:16:03 | CoolMan | back |
| 18:16:13 | CoolMan | dude, all i do is pci |
| 18:16:39 | travis_143cw | yes they do make the geforce 2mx pci for about $50 |
| 18:16:47 | CoolMan | i don't even have agp slots |
| 18:16:50 | CoolMan | sweet |
| 18:16:53 | [57th]cneal | There might be something that can bend the card sideways like some kind of connector or you might be able to solder it in |
| 18:16:56 | CoolMan | i knew they would have to |
| 18:17:00 | Bakemono | ok |
| 18:17:27 | travis_143cw | well, do we really need a an nforce based chipset then? |
| 18:17:35 | CoolMan | cneal: due to the multi dimensional nature of mobo and pci cards, you do not want to mess with solder |
| 18:17:39 | travis_143cw | should we go with an external pci pgu? |
| 18:17:41 | Bakemono | mmm...green tea... |
| 18:17:45 | Bakemono | pgu? |
| 18:17:49 | travis_143cw | gpu |
| 18:17:50 | travis_143cw | sorry |
| 18:17:54 | CoolMan | i was about to say.. |
| 18:18:06 | CoolMan | external pci gpu? |
| 18:18:10 | travis_143cw | hey, i was up really late, i am tired! |
| 18:18:10 | Bakemono | probably |
| 18:18:18 | CoolMan | out of the case? |
| 18:18:21 | CoolMan | why? |
| 18:18:21 | Bakemono | CoolMan: I think he means external relative to the mobo |
| 18:18:23 | travis_143cw | eh, not external!!! just not built into the mobo |
| 18:18:26 | CoolMan | lol |
| 18:18:29 | travis_143cw | lol |
| 18:18:29 | Bakemono | w00t |
| 18:18:31 | Bakemono | I was right! |
| 18:18:35 | CoolMan | was laughing the whole time. |
| 18:18:43 | Bakemono | Bakemono: 1, The People: 0 |
| 18:19:11 | CoolMan | ok, so do you have a lock on some kind of right angle adaptor? |
| 18:19:12 | Bakemono | good...tea... |
| 18:19:28 | travis_143cw | anyways, we can pick up an external nic for $3 on price watch.... |
| 18:19:37 | travis_143cw | ignore external |
| 18:19:46 | CoolMan | we want a wholesale supplier |
| 18:20:04 | CoolMan | my friend has slews of external nics |
| 18:20:05 | travis_143cw | i am just looking on pricewatch.com for basic prices |
| 18:20:10 | CoolMan | USB |
| 18:20:27 | travis_143cw | i say we just go pci for that |
| 18:20:47 | CoolMan | i was joking |
| 18:20:51 | travis_143cw | usb nics are about 3 times for expensive.... |
| 18:20:53 | CoolMan | thats not a real option |
| 18:20:57 | travis_143cw | s/for/more |
| 18:21:16 | CoolMan | ok, but i thought the nic would have to be mobo based? |
| 18:21:26 | Bakemono | dies |
| 18:21:36 | CoolMan | oh well |
| 18:21:39 | travis_143cw | i am sure we can get a onboard nic |
| 18:21:42 | CoolMan | sombody want his tea? |
| 18:21:47 | travis_143cw | no thanks |
| 18:21:50 | CoolMan | lol |
| 18:21:57 | Bakemono | NEVER! |
| 18:22:02 | CoolMan | youre dead! |
| 18:22:03 | Bakemono | comes back to life to defend his green |
| 18:22:05 | CoolMan | shut up! |
| 18:22:24 | Bakemono | all gone |
| 18:22:25 | Bakemono | :) |
| 18:22:39 | travis_143cw | but what i am saying, because nforce is just being a bitch on mobo sizes and price... maybe we should just use a microatx board with components added to that |
| 18:22:44 | Bakemono | what mobo options do we have? |
| 18:23:06 | travis_143cw | well, i havent really looked for non-force based chipsets yet.... |
| 18:23:14 | travis_143cw | but i am guessing it will be pretty cheap! |
| 18:23:18 | CoolMan | hmmm |
| 18:23:20 | travis_143cw | plus a lot easier to get a hold of |
| 18:23:39 | CoolMan | i know nothing about tv-out though |
| 18:23:49 | CoolMan | what chipsets have that as an option? |
| 18:23:57 | CoolMan | and drivers |
| 18:24:07 | CoolMan | what will we do about GPU drivers? |
| 18:24:13 | travis_143cw | there is a geforce2 mx with tv-out |
| 18:24:26 | CoolMan | wasn't that our first pick? |
| 18:24:29 | Bakemono | for some reason I have the feeling you won't find any mobos with tv-out |
| 18:24:49 | CoolMan | i think we should go for a mobo with everything but video onboard |
| 18:24:59 | CoolMan | then use a pci card for video |
| 18:25:10 | Bakemono | CoolMan: I agree with the first part |
| 18:25:15 | CoolMan | (or agp, whatever we can get a right angle adaptor for) |
| 18:25:54 | CoolMan | thats my opinion, but i have done no reaserch on acual availability and prices |
| 18:25:59 | travis_143cw | right angle adapters are available for most connections |
| 18:26:07 | CoolMan | you know about them? |
| 18:26:09 | Bakemono | yeah |
| 18:26:16 | Bakemono | an agp one will be easy to come backo |
| 18:26:16 | CoolMan | how much are they? |
| 18:26:20 | Bakemono | come by* |
| 18:26:30 | Bakemono | and easy to get massproduced me thinks |
| 18:26:47 | Bakemono | a few bucks in a store |
| 18:26:53 | Bakemono | cheap cheap cheap wholesale |
| 18:26:54 | CoolMan | i would think so, but are we speculating, or are we looking at a catalogue? |
| 18:27:07 | CoolMan | because i have never acually seen one |
| 18:27:15 | CoolMan | except for ISA long ago... |
| 18:27:22 | Bakemono | puts down the catalog he's looking at |
| 18:27:32 | CoolMan | ok, if your sure |
| 18:27:39 | travis_143cw | a right angle adapter? |
| 18:27:41 | CoolMan | so should we go that way? |
| 18:27:46 | Bakemono | take a look at the picture of the old tuxbox prototype |
| 18:27:52 | Bakemono | :) |
| 18:27:59 | travis_143cw | brb in a min or two |
| 18:28:02 | Bakemono | travis_143cw: that was an agp right angle wasn't it? |
| 18:29:05 | CoolMan | so, basically, we need to price compare, buy things, find the best way to fit it all together and make a list of parts, where to buy them and howmuch it will cost |
| 18:29:18 | CoolMan | make sure of software compatibility |
| 18:29:51 | Bakemono | right |
| 18:29:53 | Bakemono | :) |
| 18:29:55 | Bakemono | you go do that |
| 18:29:57 | Bakemono | I'll wait here |
| 18:30:03 | CoolMan | hehe, sure |
| 18:30:24 | CoolMan | uses his speed that would rival Superman, and is back allready |
| 18:30:32 | CoolMan | done |
| 18:30:39 | CoolMan | we are doomed |
| 18:30:41 | CoolMan | j/k |
| 18:30:54 | travis_143cw | back |
| 18:31:05 | Bakemono | lol |
| 18:31:21 | travis_143cw | yes bake, it was an agp right angle |
| 18:31:59 | CoolMan | ok, so are we decided? |
| 18:32:06 | Bakemono | yes |
| 18:32:07 | Bakemono | we are |
| 18:32:08 | Bakemono | : / |
| 18:32:12 | Bakemono | decided on what? |
| 18:32:36 | CoolMan | use a standard mobo with NIC and sound on board, and use an agp right angle thing for the video? |
| 18:32:44 | travis_143cw | well maybe we should all research socket A microatx mobos in the next few days to see what we find |
| 18:33:00 | Bakemono | pats his sockeet A mobo |
| 18:33:00 | travis_143cw | CoolMan: microATX for sure |
| 18:33:05 | Bakemono | 's computer crashes |
| 18:33:06 | Bakemono | d'oh! |
| 18:33:18 | CoolMan | bakemono! how could you! |
| 18:33:44 | CoolMan | travis: microATX is basically a really tiny ATX right? |
| 18:33:56 | Bakemono | no |
| 18:34:01 | Bakemono | really REALLY tiny atk |
| 18:34:03 | Bakemono | atx* |
| 18:34:06 | travis_143cw | yes |
| 18:34:21 | CoolMan | and ATX is the power smart, modern version |
| 18:34:30 | Bakemono | it fits in the palm of a giant! |
| 18:34:36 | CoolMan | with the computer turning itself on/off and such |
| 18:34:39 | Bakemono | or an elephant(if they have palms) |
| 18:34:48 | Bakemono | CoolMan: yeah |
| 18:34:52 | CoolMan | right |
| 18:34:57 | Bakemono | AT: old; ATX: new |
| 18:35:12 | CoolMan | mine is not even ATX, let alone micro at anything |
| 18:35:14 | Bakemono | X might be eXtended or something ghetto like that |
| 18:35:17 | CoolMan | :( |
| 18:35:23 | Bakemono | poor CoolMan |
| 18:35:30 | CoolMan | i buy my own stuff |
| 18:35:32 | travis_143cw | so do some research over the next few days for a microATX socket A |
| 18:35:33 | Bakemono | you're walkin' it old sk00l eh? |
| 18:35:34 | CoolMan | even tho i'm 15 |
| 18:35:51 | travis_143cw | we should maybe post stuff in the developer forum about this |
| 18:35:59 | CoolMan | ok, we will do that, although i will be busy with the TuxBox game tutorial |
| 18:36:20 | CoolMan | i will post this conversation for the f00ls that missed it |
| 18:36:44 | CoolMan | ok, travis, did you have anything else to bring up? |
| 18:36:46 | Bakemono | I buy all my own stuff too, but I get money shuvaled(I know, I can't spell) down my throat |
| 18:36:51 | travis_143cw | yes coolman |
| 18:37:11 | CoolMan | are we done with hardware? |
| 18:37:18 | travis_143cw | FYI: i made a topic in the developer forum for the mobo |
| 18:37:25 | travis_143cw | do some research if possible |
| 18:37:32 | CoolMan | cewl |
| 18:37:35 | travis_143cw | next topic |
| 18:37:43 | | travis is at #tuxboxproject |
| 18:37:43 | CoolMan | ok, travis? |
| 18:37:54 | Bakemono | someone tell me what the fuck I'm missing with the whole boot up process |
| 18:37:58 | travis_143cw | should we remove the teams page on the website and turn it into a links page? |
| 18:38:06 | CoolMan | hits ibot, and sends it spinning off to #sdl |
| 18:38:08 | Bakemono | I got the stupid "Can not open initial console" error to go away |
| 18:38:17 | travis_143cw | have links to coolmans page, tuxboxgames |
| 18:38:18 | Bakemono | but it still won't run teh init scripts |
| 18:38:34 | CoolMan | hmm |
| 18:38:34 | Bakemono | #sdl is evil |
| 18:38:38 | Bakemono | puuure evil |
| 18:38:41 | CoolMan | this is for the TuxBox linux? |
| 18:38:46 | Bakemono | yeah |
| 18:39:01 | Bakemono | it's probably something stupid |
| 18:39:06 | Bakemono | but I'm missing it! |
| 18:39:07 | Bakemono | :( |
| 18:39:08 | CoolMan | i have never done a linux from scratch thing before, you might talk to those people |
| 18:39:15 | travis_143cw | <travis_143cw> should we remove the teams page on the website and turn it into a links page? |
| 18:39:31 | Bakemono | travis_143cw: no, just add a links page |
| 18:39:34 | CoolMan | that's somthing i wanted to brign up |
| 18:39:38 | Bakemono | but the teams page needs osme |
| 18:39:44 | CoolMan | add a links page, and update the teams page |
| 18:39:45 | Bakemono | needs some serious editing |
| 18:39:48 | travis_143cw | Bakemono: i dont want to F with the design much |
| 18:40:00 | travis_143cw | i say we just remove it |
| 18:40:08 | CoolMan | well, we could... |
| 18:40:14 | Bakemono | just list me as OS, CoolMan as UI or whatever, and you as Sir Bonehead |
| 18:40:14 | travis_143cw | we still have the contacts page |
| 18:40:28 | CoolMan | we need a links page, and people who are new to project get confused because of the teams page |
| 18:40:40 | travis_143cw | list bakemono with travis's foot up his ass, how about that =P |
| 18:40:52 | CoolMan | how does that work? |
| 18:40:55 | CoolMan | nm |
| 18:40:58 | Bakemono | ... |
| 18:41:02 | CoolMan | hits himself. |
| 18:41:02 | Bakemono | hehe CoolMan |
| 18:41:17 | travis_143cw | so should we remove teams |
| 18:41:22 | travis_143cw | and make that links... |
| 18:41:23 | Bakemono | fine... |
| 18:41:24 | travis_143cw | then... |
| 18:41:25 | CoolMan | that works |
| 18:41:34 | travis_143cw | we can enter your names in the contacts area? |
| 18:41:50 | CoolMan | my name? |
| 18:41:55 | CoolMan | sure, you can do that |
| 18:41:57 | travis_143cw | yes, for UI issues |
| 18:42:04 | CoolMan | even my real name and stuff |
| 18:42:08 | travis_143cw | sure |
| 18:42:16 | CoolMan | email addresses Etc. Etc. |
| 18:42:20 | Bakemono | what IS your real name yo |
| 18:42:21 | Bakemono | ? |
| 18:42:22 | travis_143cw | yes yes yes |
| 18:42:30 | CoolMan | Alexander Markley you? |
| 18:42:33 | Bakemono | make sure mines a <h1> |
| 18:42:42 | Bakemono | Eddie Gilespie |
| 18:42:47 | travis_143cw | Bakemono:..... |
| 18:42:48 | Bakemono | Eddie Gillespie* |
| 18:42:50 | CoolMan | hehe, real funny |
| 18:43:07 | CoolMan | make mine an <h(-10)> |
| 18:43:13 | Bakemono | my friend's call me Sammo, or Casanova |
| 18:43:15 | CoolMan | haha! top that! |
| 18:43:26 | Bakemono | I think <h1> tops that... |
| 18:43:36 | CoolMan | the lower the number, the bigger |
| 18:43:43 | Bakemono | oh |
| 18:43:47 | Bakemono | I guess you're right... |
| 18:43:48 | CoolMan | it's a joke |
| 18:43:51 | travis_143cw | anyways.... |
| 18:43:54 | Bakemono | yeah... |
| 18:43:58 | CoolMan | <h(-10)> doesn't exist |
| 18:43:59 | travis_143cw | coolman, you want to be OP? |
| 18:44:04 | CoolMan | op? |
| 18:44:06 | Bakemono | CoolMan: I know... |
| 18:44:10 | travis_143cw | me and bake thought that would be a good idea |
| 18:44:11 | Bakemono | like that |
| 18:44:16 | Bakemono | !! |
| 18:44:26 | CoolMan | what does that do? |
| 18:44:26 | Bakemono | oh no! |
| 18:44:30 | Bakemono | chanserv doesn't like me :( |
| 18:44:31 | CoolMan | hehe |
| 18:44:35 | travis_143cw | lol bake |
| 18:44:53 | Bakemono | kicks ChanServ |
| 18:44:57 | travis_143cw | anyways...(again) |
| 18:44:59 | Bakemono | sends chanserv nasty messages |
| 18:45:05 | CoolMan | OP is cool |
| 18:45:14 | CoolMan | i don't use power much tho |
| 18:45:19 | Bakemono | you can do things like '/fuck travis_143cw' |
| 18:45:29 | travis_143cw | Bakemono: how is the OS going? |
| 18:45:36 | Bakemono | I'm sorta stuck |
| 18:45:41 | travis_143cw | whats wrong? |
| 18:45:57 | Bakemono | "Init not found. Try passing init= option to kernel" |
| 18:46:00 | Bakemono | pulls hair out |
| 18:46:03 | CoolMan | odd |
| 18:46:13 | CoolMan | that sounds like serious problem |
| 18:46:19 | Bakemono | /sbin/init is there |
| 18:46:27 | Bakemono | /etc/inittab is there |
| 18:46:33 | CoolMan | picks up the hair and gives it to Bakemono. |
| 18:46:35 | Bakemono | all the init scripts are there |
| 18:46:39 | Bakemono | gets his glue |
| 18:46:51 | CoolMan | is /sbin/telinit there? |
| 18:46:59 | Bakemono | no :( |
| 18:47:01 | travis_143cw | bake, have you tried any other channels? |
| 18:47:07 | CoolMan | i doubt thats it tho |
| 18:47:07 | Bakemono | no :( |
| 18:47:24 | CoolMan | you should talk to the linux from scratch people, seriously |
| 18:47:27 | Bakemono | what channels would give me some down and dirty linux help? |
| 18:47:30 | CoolMan | they can help |
| 18:47:42 | travis_143cw | isnt there a linux from scratch channel? |
| 18:47:52 | CoolMan | i don't do much IRC surfing |
| 18:47:55 | Bakemono | with 1 zombie in it |
| 18:47:58 | CoolMan | i stay in this room |
| 18:48:16 | CoolMan | i will see if i can find a link |
| 18:48:25 | travis_143cw | The server address is irc.linuxfromscratch.org and the channel to find us in is #LFS |
| 18:48:37 | CoolMan | ok, that works |
| 18:48:41 | Bakemono | uh oh |
| 18:48:43 | Snake | allo |
| 18:48:44 | Bakemono | "he" is here |
| 18:48:48 | Snake | :P |
| 18:48:51 | travis_143cw | Bakemono: check that out |
| 18:48:55 | CoolMan | shhh, "he" might hear us |
| 18:48:55 | Snake | only for a few minutes |
| 18:49:02 | CoolMan | hey snake |
| 18:49:06 | travis_143cw | hello snake |
| 18:49:08 | Snake | hey coolman |
| 18:49:12 | CoolMan | looks around nervously and licks his lips. |
| 18:49:13 | Snake | hey travis |
| 18:49:20 | CoolMan | j/k |
| 18:49:20 | travis_143cw | lol@CoolMan |
| 18:49:34 | Snake | heh |
| 18:49:39 | travis_143cw | Bakemono: hopefully the LFS people could help |
| 18:49:39 | CoolMan | i swear, i could write novels |
| 18:49:54 | travis_143cw | s/could/can |
| 18:50:00 | CoolMan | its YABA |
| 18:50:21 | travis_143cw | http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/misc/irc.shtml |
| 18:50:27 | CoolMan | Yet Another Bloody Acyronym |
| 18:50:33 | | well, snake is a 1337 Hax0r |
| 18:50:33 | CoolMan | hey snake? |
| 18:50:46 | | CoolMan: i'm not following you... |
| 18:50:46 | CoolMan | ibot: yeah right! |
| 18:51:14 | CoolMan | hacks ibot to talk to itself... |
| 18:51:25 | travis_143cw | CoolMan: do you have anything to talk about? |
| 18:51:31 | travis_143cw | Bakemono: you? |
| 18:51:33 | CoolMan | yeah, if your done |
| 18:51:45 | travis_143cw | i am done (i think) |
| 18:51:57 | CoolMan | well, it's not like we're formal... |
| 18:52:09 | CoolMan | i'll bring my point up now |
| 18:52:11 | Bakemono | no |
| 18:52:27 | CoolMan | brb |
| 18:52:34 | travis_143cw | ahhh! |
| 18:53:32 | CoolMan | sorry, back |
| 18:53:58 | CoolMan | ok, i think if we will shoot for the hamvention, (or any other expo) |
| 18:54:11 | CoolMan | we will need some kind of legal organization |
| 18:54:35 | CoolMan | IE, Non-Profit Organization |
| 18:54:53 | CoolMan | or, (and i'm leaning towards this myself), a business |
| 18:55:12 | CoolMan | so what do you guys think? |
| 18:55:19 | travis_143cw | um.... |
| 18:55:36 | travis_143cw | a business is a bad idea idea |
| 18:55:49 | travis_143cw | i need to go shortly |
| 18:56:07 | CoolMan | why is it a bad idea? |
| 18:56:33 | Bakemono | brb |
| 18:56:36 | travis_143cw | too many issues i would think, but we can look into it |
| 18:56:47 | CoolMan | i think it could be done |
| 18:56:55 | travis_143cw | oh yes it could |
| 18:57:05 | travis_143cw | i will bbl, i need to get some stuff done with family |
| 18:57:13 | CoolMan | i can't stay |
| 18:57:21 | CoolMan | if the meeting is over |
| 18:57:24 | travis_143cw | hmm, well maybe later tonight |
| 18:57:29 | CoolMan | i should get some stuff done |
| 18:57:34 | travis_143cw | cool |
| 18:57:35 | CoolMan | ok, hows this |
| 18:57:38 | travis_143cw | thanks for talking |
| 18:57:51 | CoolMan | i will post this, and lets get together next sunday same time? |
| 18:57:58 | travis_143cw | great! |
| 18:58:15 | CoolMan | lets think about the issues and do research and come back next sunday |
| 18:58:33 | CoolMan | i will do some research on the business idea |
| 18:58:36 | Snake | just my lick |
| 18:58:39 | Snake | luck* |
| 18:58:52 | CoolMan | and i will be releasing smoke soon |
| 18:58:53 | Snake | the minute im here someone is now trying to send a fucking fax |
| 18:59:01 | Snake | if i dont reply its because im getting ready for school, im only an observing for now, and maybe ill add something every now and again |
| 18:59:12 | CoolMan | we are done now |
| 18:59:23 | CoolMan | ends the transcript. |
| 18:59:32 | travis|gone | thanks coolman |
| 19:00:19 | Snake | was that the metting? |
| 19:00:24 | CoolMan | yeah |
| 19:00:25 | Snake | meeting* |
| 19:00:27 | Snake | FUCK |
| 19:00:50 | CoolMan | i will edit out swer word out of any transcript |
| 19:00:54 | CoolMan | swear |
| 19:01:32 | Snake | fuck |
| 19:01:57 | Snake | did anyone log |
| 19:02:02 | CoolMan | yeah, me |
| 19:02:09 | CoolMan | i will post it in a few mins |
| 19:02:25 | Snake | well i g2g to school |
| 19:02:28 | Snake | dammit |
| 19:03:17 | CoolMan | sorry, bake, the meeting is over |
| 19:03:35 | Bakemono | ?? |
| 19:03:42 | Bakemono | !!! |
| 19:03:51 | CoolMan | travis had some stuff to do, and you left, so it's over |
| 19:04:00 | CoolMan | but we are meeting the same time next sunday |
| 19:04:04 | Snake | maybe we should have a real meeting one day |
| 19:04:06 | Bakemono | ok |
| 19:04:24 | Snake | but furst thing we must find out if everyone can actualy make it |
| 19:04:25 | Snake | heh |
| 19:04:42 | CoolMan | we will have a meeting same time next sunday |
| 19:04:51 | Snake | NO! |
| 19:04:52 | CoolMan | if anybody misses it, its their fault |
| 19:04:56 | Snake | make it monday |
| 19:05:01 | Snake | i mean |
| 19:05:03 | Snake | saturday |
| 19:05:04 | Bakemono | Snake: it's monday for you |
| 19:05:05 | Bakemono | oh |
| 19:05:06 | Bakemono | no |
| 19:05:10 | Bakemono | I don't care |
| 19:05:11 | Bakemono | dies |
| 19:05:14 | Bakemono | AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 19:05:19 | Snake | yes so itll be monday for me next time too |
| 19:05:25 | Snake | so i wont be able to make it |
| 19:05:32 | Snake | cause i have school on mondays |
| 19:05:38 | CoolMan | it's monday morning there!? |
| 19:05:43 | Snake | YES |
| 19:05:46 | CoolMan | holy crud! |
| 19:05:56 | CoolMan | you live freakin far away@ |
| 19:05:57 | CoolMan | ! |
| 19:05:58 | Snake | 8:00am monday |
| 19:06:15 | Snake | new zealand |
| 19:06:22 | CoolMan | well, just so you know, you are 2:17 minutes late for the meeting |
| 19:06:37 | CoolMan | 2hours 17minutes |
| 19:06:53 | Snake | well what the fuck do you think? |
| 19:06:57 | Snake | its monday morning!!!! |
| 19:07:02 | Snake | i have school in 2min |
| 19:07:10 | CoolMan | i was just saying for your info |
| 19:13:19 | CoolMan | brb |
| 19:15:36 | | cronotrg was last seen on #tuxboxproject 7 days, 12 hours, 20 minutes and 16 seconds ago, saying: you could always *coughdownloadcough* it [Sun Jan 27 06:55:20 2002] |
| 19:15:36 | [57th]cneal | ibot seen cronotrg |
| 19:18:01 | | hi, CoolMan |
| 19:18:01 | CoolMan | hello |
| 19:37:45 | CoolMan | dang! |
| 19:37:58 | CoolMan | the transcript is too big to fit in a forum topic! |
| 19:55:14 | Bakemono | edit it? |
| 19:55:20 | Bakemono | give it to me |
| 19:55:25 | Bakemono | link to it |
| 19:55:32 | Bakemono | I can host it if you want |
| 19:55:57 | Bakemono | uhh... |
| 19:55:58 | Bakemono | he's gone... |
| 19:55:59 | Bakemono | hmm |
| 19:58:52 | [57th]cneal | lo |
| 20:02:30 | Bakemono | konnichiwa |
| 20:07:57 | [57th]cneal | konnichiwa? |
| 20:10:02 | [57th]cneal | konnichiwa wahaha bakeomono konni? konnichiwa? |
| 20:15:14 | Bakemono | : / |
| 20:15:24 | [57th]cneal | ;P |
| 20:15:34 | Bakemono | nani? |
| 20:16:04 | [57th]cneal | What about nani? |
| 20:16:46 | [57th]cneal | ;P |
| 20:18:52 | Bakemono | /ignore [57th]cneal all |
| 20:19:05 | [57th]cneal | :\ |
| 20:20:16 | [57th]cneal | #etg MEGADETH{BOT}: terrorists took over my channel |
| 20:21:12 | [57th]cneal | You didnt really ignore me bakemono? |
| 20:21:38 | [57th]cneal | Bake? |
| 20:21:47 | [57th]cneal | Damn. . . |
| 20:23:30 | [57th]cneal | is away: I'm away! |
| 20:23:37 | Bakemono | hehe |
| 20:36:26 | [57th]cneal | ;P |
| 20:36:29 | [57th]cneal | is back (gone 00:12:59) |
| 22:45:40 | Bakemono | hey |
| 22:46:48 | | hello, paperclip |
| 22:46:48 | paperclip | hello |
| 22:47:02 | paperclip | domo arigato |
| 22:47:25 | Bakemono | hajimemashite |
| 22:47:38 | Bakemono | ignore ibot, it's a bot |
| 22:48:10 | paperclip | heh.. |
| 22:48:20 | paperclip | looks like a pretty amitious project.. |
| 22:48:42 | paperclip | why buy/build/sell the boxen.. |
| 22:48:57 | paperclip | seems like it'd be better to make a base reference design.. |
| 22:49:18 | paperclip | then each person can build thier own.. |
| 22:49:23 | Bakemono | it's the only way to get a good amount of tuxboxen into living rooms around the world |
| 22:50:22 | Bakemono | the build yourself idea is great, but users and developers will be quite skeptical |
| 22:50:40 | Bakemono | although it's the truth, I'd like to avoid the hobbiest gathering reputation |
| 22:50:44 | paperclip | i already am =) |
| 22:51:06 | Bakemono | I'm sure we'll release the plans |
| 22:51:15 | paperclip | cool.. |
| 22:51:20 | Bakemono | infact, I can tell you right now we WILL release the plans |
| 22:51:43 | paperclip | what sort of interface will the device use.. html xml? |
| 22:52:24 | paperclip | ncurses would be cool with a nice font and video overlay |
| 22:52:37 | Bakemono | no... |
| 22:52:53 | Bakemono | the ui is being written using opengl |
| 22:52:57 | [57th]cneal | damn kennys got some good ideas selling tuxboxes on ebay =) |
| 22:53:19 | paperclip | hmm.. so a new 3d thing.. |
| 22:55:04 | Bakemono | this thing has to be as userfriendly as possible |
| 22:55:28 | Bakemono | or we'll be in serious trouble |
| 22:55:40 | paperclip | so does it use X or fb? |
| 22:55:45 | paperclip | svga? |
| 22:55:57 | Bakemono | X |
| 22:56:04 | Bakemono | we were talking about the fb |
| 22:56:35 | Bakemono | which is actually a viable solution considering the standard hardware specs |
| 22:57:17 | paperclip | ahh.. |
| 22:58:46 | paperclip | is reading the forum @tuxboxproject.com |
| 23:00:26 | paperclip | those spacewalker sfv 24 cases are nice. |
| 23:02:20 | paperclip | sv24 even.. |
| 23:03:58 | | cronotrg was last seen on #tuxboxproject 7 days, 16 hours, 8 minutes and 38 seconds ago, saying: you could always *coughdownloadcough* it [Sun Jan 27 06:55:20 2002] |
| 23:03:58 | [57th]cneal | ibot seen cronotrg |
| 23:05:18 | paperclip | are there plans to do internet... i'm assuming so since i see the ethernet port on the screenshots.. |
| 23:06:12 | [57th]cneal | internet? |
| 23:06:32 | [57th]cneal | Oh yeah, there will be an internet |
| 23:07:11 | [57th]cneal | internet viewer ( Mozilla) |
| 23:07:18 | paperclip | cool.. |
| 23:07:35 | [57th]cneal | That you can find on the software page of the main tuxbox website at http://www.tuxboxproject.com/software_specs.php |
| 23:07:42 | paperclip | why not just use that with xul for the user interface.. kinda like the oeone box |
| 23:07:44 | Bakemono | back |
| 23:07:47 | paperclip | k |
| 23:07:56 | [57th]cneal | xul? |
| 23:08:19 | [57th]cneal | Bake, is cronotrg really dead or were you just kidding about him being dead? |
| 23:09:03 | paperclip | xul is what mozilla uses for all it's user interface.. |
| 23:09:22 | paperclip | other apps can be written with it... like chatzilla.. or the mozilla calendar |
| 23:09:22 | [57th]cneal | yeah, we'll use that |
| 23:09:47 | paperclip | if are already going to have mozilla on the box.. why reinvent the wheel? |
| 23:10:32 | [57th]cneal | I dont know |
| 23:10:43 | [57th]cneal | You could have . . . both? |
| 23:10:47 | [57th]cneal | or |
| 23:10:59 | [57th]cneal | you could choose which one you want to use? |
| 23:11:23 | [57th]cneal | or you could use lynx :P |
| 23:11:32 | Bakemono | I don't think he's dead... |
| 23:11:35 | paperclip | well. from the hardware standardization rant at the bottom of the software page.. that doesn't seem like an idea.. choice.. |
| 23:11:43 | Bakemono | but he sure as hell ain't to be found yo |
| 23:12:06 | [57th]cneal | Maybe something happened to him |
| 23:12:22 | [57th]cneal | he was always here and then he vanishes |
| 23:12:24 | paperclip | i'm working on a project to replace all of the MSN junk on the compaq internet appliance with linux/fb/qte |
| 23:12:49 | paperclip | most of the configuration in embeded distros is done via a web interface.. |
| 23:12:50 | [57th]cneal | msn? |
| 23:13:04 | paperclip | micro$oft network. |
| 23:13:17 | [57th]cneal | OMG! They have a network now!?! |
| 23:13:21 | paperclip | they sell an internet appliance at radioshack.. |
| 23:13:27 | paperclip | sure.. it's like an ISP.. |
| 23:13:41 | paperclip | have had it for several years.. |
| 23:13:56 | [57th]cneal | They have internet access now. Gees, trying to take over everything |
| 23:14:11 | [57th]cneal | they already tried to take over gaming consoles |
| 23:14:26 | [57th]cneal | which the failed at however the games do sould pretty cool |
| 23:14:34 | paperclip | i used to listen to a parody show on the internet.. the had a bit about the future.. eveyone was using "M$ Dialtone" |
| 23:14:53 | [57th]cneal | ms dialtone? |
| 23:14:56 | paperclip | i like the Dreamcast.. |
| 23:15:14 | paperclip | yeah.. like M$ owned all the bell companies.. |
| 23:15:28 | [57th]cneal | Well halo sounds pretty cool but ms owns them |
| 23:15:36 | paperclip | it was pretty funny.. |
| 23:15:47 | [57th]cneal | Oh, theres a game. . . g-man that looks real cool |
| 23:17:04 | [57th]cneal | http://planetdescent.com/d3help/zerog-screenshots.shtml |
| 23:17:50 | Bakemono | looks cool |
| 23:24:53 | [57th]cneal | I WANT THAT GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:25:31 | [57th]cneal | is away: I'm away! |