| 02:51:47 | CoolMan | hey |
| 02:51:53 | | i think hello is any one around? |
| 02:51:53 | CoolMan | hello? |
| 02:53:04 | | hello is, like, any one around |
| 02:53:04 | CoolerQ | hello? |
| 02:53:28 | CoolMan | hi cooler |
| 02:53:31 | CoolerQ | hi |
| 02:53:53 | CoolMan | hey, have you talked to travis recently? |
| 02:54:05 | CoolerQ | i just got a windows pc with OnNet to automatically create charts and graphs with excel showing the processor usage of my pc |
| 02:54:07 | CoolerQ | no, i haven't |
| 02:54:27 | CoolMan | i've started (kind of) on the UI |
| 02:54:33 | CoolMan | and i need some info |
| 02:54:37 | CoolerQ | and that means? |
| 02:54:54 | CoolMan | well... |
| 02:55:19 | CoolMan | just i need to talk to travis and find out how solid the decicion is... |
| 02:55:28 | CoolMan | to use XFree |
| 02:55:52 | CoolMan | it's such a recource hog |
| 02:56:33 | CoolMan | well... then again, the SDL/OpenGL demo i compiled was funning at 525 FPS |
| 02:56:37 | CoolMan | running |
| 02:56:54 | CoolMan | and my computer is 550 MGhz |
| 02:57:00 | CoolMan | Voodoo3 |
| 02:58:17 | CoolMan | so, a bare xserver with no window manager, running at 640x480x24bit |
| 02:58:19 | CoolMan | ... |
| 02:58:24 | CoolMan | should run fine |
| 02:58:26 | CoolMan | right? |
| 02:58:30 | CoolerQ | ya |
| 02:58:57 | CoolerQ | i get > 40 fps with 10,000 polygons and a TNT2 at 800x600 |
| 02:58:59 | CoolMan | so i should continue to just dev the ui to run under x? |
| 02:59:19 | CoolerQ | use SDL or openGL |
| 02:59:27 | CoolerQ | then it'll run under many things |
| 02:59:36 | CoolerQ | sdl will even do svgalib |
| 02:59:40 | CoolerQ | if we so desite |
| 02:59:42 | CoolerQ | desire* |
| 02:59:54 | CoolMan | will sdl run with opengl under svgalib? |
| 03:00:15 | CoolMan | cause i'm doing sdl with opengl under x now |
| 03:00:23 | CoolerQ | no, i don't think so |
| 03:00:33 | CoolMan | i was afraid of that |
| 03:00:34 | CoolerQ | ill check |
| 03:00:47 | CoolMan | ok, how long are you gonna be here? |
| 03:01:06 | CoolerQ | 30 mins maybe |
| 03:01:23 | CoolMan | i've got to do the dishes and feed the dog |
| 03:01:37 | CoolMan | so i hope i'll se you when i get back |
| 03:01:56 | CoolMan | sorry |
| 03:02:12 | CoolerQ | wait |
| 03:02:15 | CoolerQ | when will that be? |
| 03:02:20 | CoolMan[DoingDishes] | yeah? |
| 03:02:25 | CoolMan[DoingDishes] | um... |
| 03:02:33 | CoolMan[DoingDishes] | not too long i hope |
| 03:02:47 | CoolMan[DoingDishes] | cya |
| 03:05:00 | CoolMan[DoingDishes] | i'm still kindof watching the computer tho |
| 03:05:03 | CoolerQ | k |
| 03:06:04 | CoolMan[DoingDishes] | so do you know if you can run SDL/OpenGL/SVGALib? |
| 03:09:07 | CoolerQ | depends on gl |
| 03:09:22 | CoolMan[DoingDishes] | hmm |
| 03:09:35 | CoolMan[DoingDishes] | and do you know if they've picked a controller yet? |
| 03:09:43 | CoolerQ | no |
| 03:09:52 | CoolMan[DoingDishes] | i'm guessing standard USB controller |
| 03:10:03 | CoolMan[DoingDishes] | that has linux drivers allready |
| 03:11:37 | CoolerQ | that's gotta be, what, none of them? |
| 03:11:59 | CoolMan[DoingDishes] | not linux drivers that come with them |
| 03:12:10 | CoolMan[DoingDishes] | drivers that somone has allready written |
| 03:12:26 | CoolerQ_sleep | nite |
| 03:12:41 | CoolMan[DoingDishes] | night? |
| 03:12:46 | CoolMan[DoingDishes] | what timezone are you in? |
| 03:15:47 | CoolMan[DoingDishes] | well, goodnight |
| 09:23:59 | | bakemono was last seen on #tuxboxproject 2 days, 2 hours, 57 minutes and 3 seconds ago, saying: join #oow [Thu Nov 29 06:26:56 2001] |
| 09:23:59 | Snake | ibot seen bakemono |
| 09:24:12 | | travis_143cw was last seen on #tuxboxproject 9 days, 21 hours, 7 minutes and 44 seconds ago, saying: chanserv, you are so gay... [Wed Nov 21 12:16:28 2001] |
| 09:24:12 | Snake | ibot seen travis_143cw |
| 09:24:34 | | travis|afk was last seen on #tuxboxproject 21 hours, 47 minutes and 40 seconds ago, saying: ibot: seen silverado? [Fri Nov 30 11:36:54 2001] |
| 09:24:34 | Snake | ibot seen travis|afk |
| 09:24:43 | | silverado was last seen on #tuxboxproject 21 days, 5 hours, 52 minutes and 6 seconds ago, saying: ibot: seen travis_143cw [Sat Nov 10 03:32:37 2001] |
| 09:24:43 | Snake | ibot seen silverado |
| 09:24:50 | Snake | lol |
| 10:49:53 | Snake | FUCK!!! |
| 10:56:11 | Snake | oh fuck oh fuck |
| 16:21:17 | CoolMan | hello |
| 16:21:20 | CoolMan | all |
| 16:30:40 | john_ | h |
| 16:30:48 | CoolMan | hey |
| 16:30:54 | john_ | quiet here |
| 16:30:55 | CoolMan | you new here? |
| 16:30:59 | john_ | I am |
| 16:31:03 | CoolMan | cool |
| 16:31:21 | john_ | well I heard about TB a while ago but I've only just come back to check on it |
| 16:31:24 | CoolMan | so what do you think of the tuxbox? |
| 16:31:26 | CoolMan | oh |
| 16:31:28 | CoolMan | ic |
| 16:31:55 | CoolMan | you run linux? |
| 16:32:01 | john_ | I thik it's a good idea. but I read something in an email from the list and it sounded like things were a bit slow |
| 16:32:07 | john_ | I'm running it right now :) |
| 16:32:40 | CoolMan | sweet, do you know what the flag is to allow all users to mount/umount somthing in fstab? |
| 16:34:57 | john_ | crikey. now you're asking. I can never remember that stuff |
| 16:35:11 | CoolMan | 8 ^ 0 |
| 16:35:21 | CoolMan | ;^D |
| 16:35:32 | CoolMan | i'm just getting ticked |
| 16:35:51 | CoolMan | cause i want to mount the nfs fileserver and listen to my mp3s! |
| 16:37:01 | john_ | oh. I@ve never used nfs before. I only just got my linux back after getting a new comp |
| 16:38:47 | CoolMan | oh |
| 16:38:52 | CoolMan | well, nfs is easy |
| 16:39:07 | CoolMan | if you're not on the server end ;) |
| 16:40:05 | john_ | I've only been running standalone so far. although I did have a quick link up with my laptop using a serial cable. it was nice and slooow |
| 16:40:17 | CoolMan | ooh |
| 16:40:28 | CoolMan | over the serial?!? |
| 16:40:35 | CoolMan | that's crazy |
| 16:41:37 | john_ | yeah. it was almost useful, though. let me share my net connection with my friend which worked to some extent but I was just playing around with it |
| 16:42:09 | CoolMan | almost, but not entirely unlike being useful |
| 16:43:40 | john_ | what can I say..I was too tight to buy a network card |
| 16:44:37 | CoolMan | my friend got a lot of 10 usb network adapters new, in the shrink wrap for $20 with shipping! |
| 16:46:15 | CoolMan | i love this |
| 16:46:29 | CoolMan | man RedHat 7.2 *comes* with wine |
| 16:46:43 | CoolMan | I'm running windows calculator now |
| 16:47:08 | CoolMan | it's hilarious |
| 16:47:34 | CoolMan | (windows calc is my second favorite calc when it's in scientific mode) |
| 16:47:43 | john_ | I tried that wine the other when my windows messed up big time |
| 16:47:55 | CoolMan | ??? |
| 16:47:59 | CoolMan | what do you mean? |
| 16:48:48 | CoolMan | it messed up you're windows partition? |
| 16:49:04 | john_ | damn windows refused to boot so I tried some windows apps in wine just for the hell of it hoping that it might unbreak it |
| 16:49:27 | john_ | windows doesn't need any help messing up. it can do that all by itself |
| 16:49:28 | CoolMan | oh, windows was allready screwed |
| 16:49:58 | CoolMan | yeah, you just have to baby it |
| 16:50:10 | CoolMan | (but then it never works *perfectly* |
| 16:50:11 | CoolMan | ) |
| 16:50:59 | john_ | I'm using winME with my new comp but it's still shite. it crashes before I even do anything with it |
| 16:51:24 | john_ | I have to use linux to keep my sanity |
| 16:51:27 | CoolMan | lol |
| 16:51:37 | CoolMan | min ME sux allright |
| 16:51:50 | CoolMan | win98 is the best version of them all |
| 16:52:36 | john_ | that's what I thought. if I wasn't such an avid gamer I wouldn't use any microsoft shite at all |
| 16:54:48 | CoolMan | yeah, well, i'm just sort of taking the steps to separate myself from windows |
| 16:55:11 | CoolMan | especially if i'm going to write progs for the tuxbox |
| 16:56:21 | john_ | yeah. thing I love is that linux gives you so much to play with when it comes to writing progs. |
| 16:56:30 | CoolMan | oh yeah |
| 16:56:53 | CoolMan | my dad's work was going to throw away microsoft visual c++ 4.2 |
| 16:57:20 | CoolMan | so i grabbed it |
| 16:57:32 | CoolMan | and windows programming sucks so bad |
| 16:59:06 | john_ | it is very bad. I dabbled with windows for a bit and thought it was crap. so restrictive. first started with borland turbo c++ but I feel very at home in linux. all those GNU goodies rule |
| 16:59:22 | CoolMan | yeah |
| 16:59:39 | CoolMan | my only major problem was, get this, the lack of an editor i could use |
| 17:00:13 | CoolMan | in windows i didn't use notepad, or wordpad, or the editor that came with visual c++ |
| 17:00:22 | CoolMan | i used MS-DOS Edit |
| 17:00:34 | CoolMan | isn't that crazy? |
| 17:00:54 | john_ | whoa! I've never used any dos stuff before. not seriously. |
| 17:01:29 | CoolMan | so i got so used to the cut/paste keystrokes and the autoindenting that i just couldn't use any editor that came with linuxith |
| 17:01:33 | CoolMan | linux |
| 17:01:58 | CoolMan | untill i found gedit, it comes with gnome |
| 17:02:04 | CoolMan | gedit rocks! |
| 17:02:30 | CoolMan | (i even tried running MS-DOS edit under wine!) |
| 17:03:21 | CoolMan | i was so frustrated! |
| 17:03:36 | CoolMan | oh well |
| 17:09:05 | CoolMan | hey, what happend? |
| 17:09:23 | john_ | oh sorry. my ISP disconnect me every 2 hours and is sucks |
| 17:09:29 | CoolMan | ??? |
| 17:09:34 | CoolMan | what isp do you use? |
| 17:09:45 | john_ | BT. they are shite |
| 17:09:54 | CoolMan | BT? |
| 17:10:13 | john_ | they are british |
| 17:10:19 | CoolMan | ah |
| 17:10:28 | CoolMan | you in europe? |
| 17:10:32 | john_ | yep |
| 17:10:46 | CoolMan | cool, i'm american |
| 17:11:03 | john_ | where in US? |
| 17:11:09 | CoolMan | and my isp is through my dad's work |
| 17:11:18 | CoolMan | ohio |
| 17:12:02 | john_ | cool. I could really do with a decent isp. we can't even get dsl where I live.. |
| 17:12:09 | CoolMan | time zone is EST, but we're about as far as you can get from the coast and still be EST |
| 17:12:29 | CoolMan | oh man, i'm in the country, like farms and stuff |
| 17:12:50 | CoolMan | they had to but in a router just to bring ISDN out to my house |
| 17:12:58 | CoolMan | put int a router |
| 17:13:01 | CoolMan | put in |
| 17:13:12 | CoolMan | (CoolMan can't type today) |
| 17:13:26 | john_ | oh right. it's kinda like that here. we're always the last to get something |
| 17:13:55 | CoolMan | yeah, they just put in a real chain grocery store |
| 17:13:58 | CoolMan | here |
| 17:14:12 | CoolMan | you heard of "Kroger"? |
| 17:14:36 | john_ | never heard of that one |
| 17:15:03 | CoolMan | i was just thinking that all of the "big" chains would be different in europe than here |
| 17:15:11 | CoolMan | that's cool |
| 17:15:41 | CoolMan | what's the big grocery chain over there? |
| 17:16:15 | john_ | well we have tesco and sainsbury and stuff like that |
| 17:16:37 | CoolMan | wooo! never heard of them! :) |
| 17:16:56 | CoolMan | ok, no grocery chains in common... what about fast food? |
| 17:17:14 | john_ | we have burger king and mcdonalds |
| 17:17:23 | CoolMan | yes! |
| 17:17:29 | john_ | bingo! |
| 17:17:34 | CoolMan | we have both |
| 17:17:45 | CoolMan | ok, how about taco bell? |
| 17:18:08 | john_ | doesn't ring a bell |
| 17:18:11 | CoolMan | or KFC? |
| 17:18:20 | john_ | oh yeah we have kfc |
| 17:18:36 | CoolMan | sweet, arbys? |
| 17:18:43 | john_ | nope |
| 17:18:46 | CoolMan | no?!? |
| 17:18:56 | john_ | not to my knowledge |
| 17:19:04 | CoolMan | arbys roast beef! you guys anr missing out :) |
| 17:19:29 | CoolMan | how about, department stores? |
| 17:20:50 | john_ | department stores? |
| 17:21:03 | CoolMan | meijer, wal*mart, |
| 17:21:06 | CoolMan | hmmm |
| 17:21:11 | CoolMan | target |
| 17:21:17 | john_ | no we don't have those |
| 17:21:39 | CoolMan | no department stores? |
| 17:21:51 | CoolMan | k-mart? |
| 17:22:04 | john_ | none of those that I know of |
| 17:22:49 | CoolMan | i wonder if the phrase "department store" is unique to america? |
| 17:23:20 | john_ | I haven't heard it used over here before. |
| 17:23:30 | CoolMan | like a store where you can buy clothes, food, computer stuff, sports stuff... |
| 17:23:38 | CoolMan | all in the same store |
| 17:24:04 | CoolMan | like computer stuff in the "electronics department" |
| 17:24:15 | john_ | ah. we have asda which is a bit like that I guess |
| 17:24:28 | CoolMan | that's cool |
| 17:25:07 | CoolMan | the poor people before computers couldn't talk to people from other continents |
| 17:25:37 | CoolMan | and because I can, i get to learn stuff they never did! |
| 17:25:50 | CoolMan | you're in england? |
| 17:25:50 | john_ | they missed out that's for sure! there are all these tiny differences that I never really thin of |
| 17:26:05 | john_ | yeah. southwest england. plenty of beaches at least |
| 17:26:23 | CoolMan | you just take meijer for granted over here |
| 17:26:59 | CoolMan | if i was going to england |
| 17:27:10 | CoolMan | i wouldn't even think that you wouldn't have meijer |
| 17:28:01 | john_ | it's kinda weird. if I went to america there'd be all these stores I've never heard of before. |
| 17:29:03 | CoolMan | yeah, we've got so many stores, that for instance, we're boycotting k-mart right now |
| 17:30:22 | CoolMan | hey |
| 17:30:28 | BrightBlade | hey |
| 17:30:30 | | up yours |
| 17:30:30 | BrightBlade | whats up? |
| 17:30:43 | john_ | oh hey I gotta go. catch ya later maybe |
| 17:31:20 | CoolMan | ok, cya |
| 17:31:39 | CoolMan | hi brightblade |
| 17:32:28 | CoolMan | hey, are you the dude that posted about the ui designs? |
| 17:32:42 | BrightBlade | yeah they are by snake |
| 17:32:46 | BrightBlade | which speaking of snak |
| 17:32:48 | BrightBlade | snake |
| 17:32:51 | BrightBlade | snake went crazy last night |
| 17:32:54 | CoolMan | ? |
| 17:32:58 | CoolMan | why? |
| 17:33:11 | CoolMan | did he see my post? |
| 17:33:15 | BrightBlade | i don't know he sent me some wierd aim messages |
| 17:33:49 | CoolMan | i see, man you should check my reply to your message about the ui design |
| 17:33:59 | BrightBlade | k |
| 17:34:39 | CoolMan | another simple prob with his design is that the user won't have a mouse |
| 17:35:03 | CoolMan | it looks like snake is a windoze freak |
| 17:36:06 | BrightBlade | well last night he blew a fuse from talking on a forum with some guys |
| 17:36:25 | CoolMan | you mean for real? |
| 17:36:50 | BrightBlade | from what i hear he was taking it out on everyone :( |
| 17:37:07 | CoolMan | owch |
| 17:37:27 | CoolMan | well, have you heard, i'm doing UI now |
| 17:37:58 | CoolMan | and i've got some interesting ideas |
| 17:38:08 | CoolMan | hold up brb |
| 17:38:10 | BrightBlade | snake was just drawing designs i don't think he was working on any of it |
| 17:38:27 | BrightBlade | thats good your working on it, |
| 17:39:55 | BrightBlade | you should get in contact with silverado & Bakemono, hes making the bios and Bakemono is making the OS |
| 17:43:09 | CoolMan | i've talked to bakemono |
| 17:43:30 | CoolMan | i told him i was taking over UI and he said be my guest |
| 17:43:36 | CoolMan | (basicly) |
| 17:43:51 | BrightBlade | yeah he seemed really busy when i talk with him |
| 17:44:03 | CoolMan | yeah? |
| 17:44:21 | CoolMan | well, i've been gathering information |
| 17:44:35 | CoolMan | and the only thing i need now is a good opengl referance |
| 17:44:54 | BrightBlade | to learn opengl? |
| 17:45:23 | CoolMan | i know a little about opengl, but my kknowledge is still missing some key things |
| 17:45:58 | BrightBlade | well opengl.com has alot of resources, but you probably alrdy knew that. hmmmmm |
| 17:46:28 | CoolMan | yeah, i've allready read all of NeHe's stuff |
| 17:46:41 | CoolMan | but those are tutorials, now i'm past that |
| 17:46:53 | CoolMan | i need a referance guide |
| 17:47:24 | CoolMan | the other thing is |
| 17:47:43 | CoolMan | that we need to pick a USB controller and we need to pick it soon |
| 17:48:16 | CoolMan | because if someone is devving software for this thing, they need to be able to go out and buy the controller |
| 17:48:32 | BrightBlade | yeah |
| 17:48:34 | BrightBlade | i think sun has a good reference guide |
| 17:49:02 | CoolMan | really? you do much opengl devving? |
| 17:49:04 | BrightBlade | http://www.sun.com/software/graphics/OpenGL/manpages/ |
| 17:49:52 | CoolMan | checking... |
| 17:52:37 | CoolMan | yeah, that's not bad |
| 17:53:33 | BrightBlade | i usually don't have time to program anything major |
| 17:53:49 | CoolMan | yeah |
| 17:53:52 | BrightBlade | i'm currently trying to get my degree in computer science |
| 17:53:58 | CoolMan | really? |
| 17:54:15 | BrightBlade | and trying it in 3 years instead of the normal 4 |
| 17:54:20 | CoolMan | i'll be graduating high school in another year |
| 17:54:32 | CoolMan | and i'm 15! lol |
| 17:55:52 | BrightBlade | though its kinda hard to program for a system that doesn't have a system :o |
| 17:56:36 | BrightBlade | though I guess it will be similar to the development machine |
| 17:56:59 | CoolMan | what will be similar? |
| 17:57:03 | BrightBlade | tuxbox |
| 17:57:37 | BrightBlade | they have what the development machine should be |
| 17:57:44 | CoolMan | it had better be freakin the same |
| 17:58:06 | BrightBlade | well since processors are cheaper now ^^ they might upgrade that |
| 17:58:33 | BrightBlade | i don't know its just wierd how thy are doing this |
| 17:58:49 | CoolMan | not really |
| 17:59:06 | CoolMan | i'm guessing the hardware is going to be the same |
| 17:59:17 | CoolMan | at least on the software level |
| 17:59:47 | CoolMan | one thing i'm worried about tho |
| 18:00:21 | CoolMan | if it mounts/umounts the cd/dvd, how will the user open/close it at will? |
| 18:02:36 | BrightBlade | hmmm not sure, but why would they mount the drive then unmount it? |
| 18:03:11 | CoolMan | no,like you have to mount the drive to read it right? |
| 18:03:19 | BrightBlade | ok |
| 18:03:46 | CoolMan | but when you mount it, it locks the drive |
| 18:05:25 | BrightBlade | thers no way you can edit the mounting to not lock the drive? |
| 18:05:41 | CoolMan | it locks the drive with good reason |
| 18:06:02 | CoolMan | if the user opened the drive in the middle of a read... |
| 18:06:53 | BrightBlade | what bad thing happens? |
| 18:07:01 | CoolMan | i don't know |
| 18:07:05 | CoolMan | who knows |
| 18:07:50 | CoolMan | it might be possible to re-write the driver so it tells the program, then the program could say |
| 18:08:05 | CoolMan | hey! give me back my disk! |
| 18:08:46 | BrightBlade | but if you had a multi disk game..... |
| 18:08:52 | BrightBlade | that wouldn't be a good message :o |
| 18:09:03 | BrightBlade | might confuse the player |
| 18:09:09 | CoolMan | then the program umounts, and ejects the disk |
| 18:09:17 | CoolMan | when it needs a new disk |
| 18:12:10 | CoolMan | hey i just had an idea |
| 18:12:40 | BrightBlade | ? |
| 18:12:50 | CoolMan | tell the user "the drive is now locked" |
| 18:13:20 | CoolMan | like, the UI that i'm designing |
| 18:13:38 | CoolMan | when you select "check disk" |
| 18:14:09 | CoolMan | it tries to mount the disk, then check to see if it recognizes the format |
| 18:14:38 | CoolMan | DVD,SVCD,VCD,MP3 Disk,GameDisk... |
| 18:15:05 | CoolMan | if it recognizes, and mounts, then it tells the user, "The drive is now locked" |
| 18:15:22 | CoolMan | so the user doesn't panic if he can't open the drive |
| 18:15:43 | CoolMan | brb |
| 18:17:15 | BrightBlade | well |
| 18:17:19 | BrightBlade | i'm sure there is a way around it |
| 18:18:24 | CoolMan | i'm back |
| 18:18:30 | CoolMan | well, think about it |
| 18:18:50 | CoolMan | the goal isn't so the user can take the disk out during a read |
| 18:19:17 | CoolMan | the goal is for the user not to panic if he can't take the disk out during a read |
| 18:19:48 | BrightBlade | well could have it do is save the knowledge hey he wants me open, till after the read is done |
| 18:20:16 | BrightBlade | then when the read is done, it opens |
| 18:20:35 | CoolMan | nope |
| 18:20:50 | BrightBlade | now why? |
| 18:20:53 | CoolMan | because the "open" button on the drive is hardware |
| 18:21:02 | CoolMan | the software can't know about that |
| 18:21:18 | CoolMan | unless the firmware on the drive is re-programmed |
| 18:21:28 | CoolMan | and the driver re-written |
| 18:21:38 | BrightBlade | which might be a good thing |
| 18:21:47 | CoolMan | and that wouldn't stop the user from panic-ing |
| 18:22:30 | BrightBlade | well ok so you change the drive |
| 18:22:38 | BrightBlade | so it tells the software hey someone wants to open me |
| 18:22:55 | CoolMan | have you done anything with firmware before? |
| 18:23:10 | BrightBlade | nope |
| 18:23:25 | CoolMan | what you're talking about is extremely hard |
| 18:23:38 | BrightBlade | its probably all in assembly |
| 18:23:56 | CoolMan | that's not why it's hard |
| 18:24:55 | BrightBlade | care to elaborate? |
| 18:25:07 | CoolMan | well... |
| 18:25:41 | CoolMan | first if you managed to rip a copy of the binary, you would have to unassemble it |
| 18:26:03 | BrightBlade | not too bad |
| 18:26:14 | CoolMan | and that would mean having the dev software that works with that drive |
| 18:26:22 | BrightBlade | although i hate assembly, had to take acouple courses of it :o |
| 18:26:28 | CoolMan | (which might not have a "real" cpu in it) |
| 18:27:03 | CoolMan | the assembally would not have any comments, so it would have to be reverse engineired line by line |
| 18:27:14 | BrightBlade | obviously |
| 18:27:49 | CoolMan | then you would have to change the communications protocol between the driver and the drive |
| 18:27:57 | CoolMan | and the software and the driver |
| 18:28:23 | CoolMan | so, allready you're talking about somthing far beyond the scope of this project |
| 18:28:31 | BrightBlade | well if some company were producing the drive, they would obviously provide you with what you need to program into the firmware |
| 18:28:46 | CoolMan | why would they do that? |
| 18:28:56 | BrightBlade | well obviously not for tuxbox |
| 18:29:03 | BrightBlade | since its off the shelf products |
| 18:29:12 | BrightBlade | but i mean if you were nintendo etc |
| 18:29:15 | CoolMan | right |
| 18:29:25 | BrightBlade | they paid for their drives to be made |
| 18:29:31 | CoolMan | right |
| 18:29:41 | CoolMan | but we're nobody |
| 18:30:26 | CoolMan | well, about nintendo, i have a gamecube... |
| 18:30:41 | BrightBlade | my roommate bought 13 :o and sold a bunch on ebay |
| 18:30:49 | CoolMan | and i can open the drive coverwhile the game is playing |
| 18:31:05 | CoolMan | and that's not cool... |
| 18:31:20 | BrightBlade | if you say so |
| 18:31:42 | CoolMan | well it says, "please close the disk cover" |
| 18:31:46 | BrightBlade | all machines can do it |
| 18:32:00 | BrightBlade | ok thats the first time i heard of that part :o |
| 18:32:07 | CoolMan | all consoles, but that's not cool |
| 18:32:27 | BrightBlade | from a programming stance |
| 18:32:34 | BrightBlade | a regular user is like god i hate this game |
| 18:32:36 | BrightBlade | get it out of here |
| 18:32:55 | CoolMan | ??? |
| 18:33:27 | BrightBlade | well obviously there are plenty of other reasons why they might take it out |
| 18:33:30 | BrightBlade | during a read |
| 18:33:44 | CoolMan | well, anyway, for it to tall the user when the drive is locked and unlocked would be simpler to program, and it would fit the purpose better (i think) |
| 18:33:49 | CoolMan | tell |
| 18:34:09 | BrightBlade | well if you want simple programming isn't for you :o |
| 18:34:44 | CoolMan | ? |
| 18:34:56 | CoolMan | simple programming isn't the only reason |
| 18:35:07 | BrightBlade | well you can able to add it later |
| 18:35:12 | BrightBlade | so it doesn't really matter right now |
| 18:35:15 | BrightBlade | about when they can open it |
| 18:35:19 | CoolMan | well... |
| 18:35:30 | CoolMan | i think i've heard too much of that |
| 18:35:40 | CoolMan | "i doesn't matter yet..." |
| 18:35:43 | CoolMan | it |
| 18:35:54 | CoolMan | that ticks me off |
| 18:36:04 | CoolMan | that's why this project is in a slump |
| 18:36:19 | BrightBlade | how about getting a UI first would be good |
| 18:36:24 | CoolMan | cause noone wants to acually do anything! |
| 18:36:29 | CoolMan | oh i'm working on it |
| 18:36:54 | BrightBlade | well you have to make a list of how you do things, you can't think about everything at once |
| 18:37:25 | CoolMan | well, i'll tell you how i'm going to do things |
| 18:37:39 | CoolMan | i'm building the ui step by step |
| 18:38:18 | CoolMan | the first step is when it boots, check for a disk and see if it's a GameDisk,DVD,SVCD,VCD, Etc. |
| 18:38:39 | CoolMan | if it is, run it! |
| 18:38:41 | BrightBlade | vcd? tuxbox is going to read vcd's? |
| 18:38:49 | CoolMan | well, it's not hard |
| 18:39:01 | CoolMan | i've done a lot with digital video |
| 18:39:01 | BrightBlade | look whos back ;) |
| 18:39:07 | CoolMan | hey john |
| 18:39:25 | john_ | hey |
| 18:39:58 | CoolMan | well, anyway, i'm going to write this UI if i have to earn the money for the opengl red book myself! |
| 18:40:30 | BrightBlade | well good luck i've been trying to get in contact with tim |
| 18:40:43 | | tim is probably stupid |
| 18:40:43 | CoolMan | tim? |
| 18:40:51 | | he is actually one of the more clueful types and knows his stuff very well, he even has the cygnus toolsuite on his nt box (with bash, gcc etc.) or dumb |
| 18:40:51 | CoolMan | who's he? |
| 18:41:09 | | no shut *your* fscking mouth up! |
| 18:41:09 | CoolMan | ibot, shut up! |
| 18:41:23 | john_ | you're going to be writing the UI? |
| 18:41:34 | CoolMan | yeah, let's kick ibot off |
| 18:41:43 | CoolMan | nooo |
| 18:41:49 | CoolMan | i can't kick ibot! |
| 18:42:11 | CoolMan | oh well, maybe it will shut up |
| 18:42:24 | CoolMan | so anyway, who's tim? |
| 18:42:58 | | i think hello is any one around? |
| 18:42:58 | CoolMan | hello? |
| 18:43:10 | CoolMan | ibot! SHUT UP! |
| 18:44:53 | BrightBlade | sorry had to put the laundry in |
| 18:45:03 | BrightBlade | tim is getting magazines knowledge about tuxbox |
| 18:45:06 | CoolMan | oh ok |
| 18:45:10 | CoolMan | cool |
| 18:45:12 | CoolMan | brb |
| 18:45:17 | BrightBlade | alright |
| 19:04:22 | CoolMan | i'm back, but i'm going to have to leave |
| 19:04:26 | CoolMan | (sorry) |
| 19:31:56 | xevol | hullo! |
| 19:34:28 | john_ | hey |
| 19:34:55 | xevol | What goes on in the world of the tuxbox today ?? |
| 19:36:09 | john_ | don't ask me. I'm new here! |
| 19:36:22 | xevol | mmm |
| 20:08:04 | CoolMan | i'm back |
| 20:08:22 | CoolMan | what's up everyone? |
| 20:08:45 | CommanserJ | is it always this quiet in here? |
| 20:09:24 | CoolMan | no, |
| 20:09:32 | CoolMan | not allways |
| 20:09:47 | CoolMan | you new here? |
| 20:10:03 | xevol | oh, hey! whats going on ?? (window minimized too long! :-) |
| 20:10:10 | CoolMan | hey |
| 20:10:36 | CoolMan | anybody want to help me look for linux drivers for a good gamepad? |
| 20:10:56 | CoolMan | :D |
| 20:11:01 | CommanserJ | it's john_ here. name change. :) |
| 20:11:09 | xevol | look? all the drivers are included with the linux source ? |
| 20:11:49 | CoolMan | well, definite compatability list would be nice |
| 20:13:37 | CommanserJ | what's the deal with the pad? is there going to be a custom one or will they just use what's on the market? |
| 20:13:37 | CoolMan | use somthing on the market |
| 20:13:37 | CoolMan | usb |
| 20:13:41 | CoolMan | it would cost too much to design somthing |
| 20:14:01 | CoolMan | i've found 2 posibilitys |
| 20:14:13 | CommanserJ | fair enough |
| 20:14:48 | CoolMan | logitech wingman rumblepad|$29.95 |
| 20:14:52 | CoolMan | and |
| 20:15:18 | CoolMan | gravis eliminator aftershock|40 somthing USD |
| 20:16:17 | CoolMan | does ANYBODY know if either of these is supported by linux? |
| 20:16:59 | xevol | CoolMan: just do a make xconfig and look through the joypad list ... |
| 20:17:27 | CoolMan | really? |
| 20:17:30 | CoolMan | checking... |
| 20:17:35 | CoolMan | should i be root? |
| 20:18:14 | xevol | no, just go to the kernel source and use your favorite configure ... xconfig works well ... |
| 20:18:39 | CoolMan | where is the kernel source? (i'm still a linux newbie) |
| 20:19:43 | xevol | um.. Either it comes with your distro or you have to download it ... |
| 20:20:01 | CoolMan | it's redhat 7.2 |
| 20:20:15 | CoolMan | and i told it to install kernel devving stuff |
| 20:20:33 | CoolMan | but i don't know where it is in the tree |
| 20:20:53 | xevol | it should be something like /usr/src/linux |
| 20:21:28 | CoolMan | yeah ok, found it |
| 20:21:34 | CoolMan | thx |
| 20:22:17 | CoolMan | i type "make xconfig"? |
| 20:22:18 | xevol | if its there, then you have to be root |
| 20:22:22 | xevol | yes |
| 20:22:40 | CoolMan | ok, it's acually compiling somthing |
| 20:22:55 | xevol | only tk/tcl stuff |
| 20:23:05 | xevol | for the X interface |
| 20:23:08 | CoolMan | whoa ok it's here |
| 20:24:32 | CoolMan | where would it be? USB devices? |
| 20:24:45 | CoolMan | USB support i meant |
| 20:24:55 | CommanserJ | character devices? |
| 20:25:17 | CoolMan | checking |
| 20:25:39 | CoolMan | ahha |
| 20:28:36 | CoolMan | ok, this sux |
| 20:28:48 | CommanserJ | no joy? |
| 20:28:54 | CoolMan | i found the list |
| 20:29:29 | CoolMan | but it's very disorganized |
| 20:29:59 | CoolMan | and i can't find any good usb controllers on the list |
| 20:30:18 | CommanserJ | they don't mention those pads specifically on mine |
| 20:30:35 | CoolMan | and i don't know how software you would write could interface with those drivers! |
| 20:33:11 | CommanserJ | I suppose whatever pad is chosen there'll be a way to get it to work |
| 20:33:30 | CoolMan | well, yeah |
| 20:33:50 | CommanserJ | that rumblepad does seem pretty good but I haven't used a dual analog before so I'm not sure |
| 20:38:02 | CoolMan | dual analog rocks |
| 20:39:18 | CommanserJ | I've only used a sidewinder usb but it's okay for playing emulator games |
| 20:40:31 | CoolMan | does it work under linux? |
| 20:40:42 | CommanserJ | like a treat |
| 20:40:53 | CommanserJ | I was using it the other day with snes9x |
| 20:41:09 | CoolMan | does it have analog? |
| 20:42:01 | CoolMan | like an analog stick? |
| 20:42:38 | CommanserJ | not exactly. it has a pressure sensitive d-pad which should give analog control but it's not as a good as a stick and the d-pad is quite rounded so it's not ideal for beat 'em ups that require lots of combinations |
| 20:43:00 | CoolMan | hmm |
| 20:43:07 | CoolMan | well, my list says |
| 20:43:16 | CommanserJ | but I quite like the overall feel. just doesn't quite have those features it needs |
| 20:43:23 | CoolMan | all microsoft sidewinder joysticks and gamepads |
| 20:46:01 | CommanserJ | the compatibility was good with mine. it was easier to get it to work with linux than it was to get it working on windows |
| 20:46:40 | CoolMan | lol |
| 20:46:41 | CoolMan | haha |
| 20:47:28 | CoolMan | well, it would still suck to say "we rebel against microsoft, so here's this linux console! (we only support microsoft sidewinder)" |
| 20:49:37 | CoolMan | javascript:launchwin('/popup/popup.asp?ProductID=SV-262A','infopopup','height=400,width=530') |
| 20:49:46 | CoolMan | check this out |
| 20:49:48 | CoolMan | that |
| 20:50:42 | CoolMan | sorry, try this |
| 20:50:44 | CoolMan | http://www.interact-acc.com/popup/popup.asp?ProductID=SV-262A |
| 20:51:05 | CoolMan | the rumble sux, but it should work? |
| 20:51:08 | CoolMan | right? |
| 20:52:06 | CommanserJ | I would have thought it'd work yeah |
| 20:52:30 | CoolMan | would like to find one that dosn't need batteries tho ;) |
| 20:53:03 | CommanserJ | that's the holy grail right there. battries are such an inconvenience with something like that |
| 20:53:31 | CoolMan | well, if it's connected to the usb port it shouldn't need batts |
| 20:55:43 | CoolMan | the usb port supplies 5volts |
| 20:56:16 | CommanserJ | well in that case it would be great to get a pad that could use that power |
| 20:56:41 | CoolMan | well, i've seen a bunch of them, but none supported :( |
| 20:56:55 | CoolMan | hey tubbie |
| 20:57:07 | CommanserJ | typical. with any luck when it comes to crunch time those pads will be supported |
| 20:57:22 | CoolMan | well, i'm not giving up |
| 20:58:37 | CommanserJ | it would be nice to keep going with tb and make something that does get used |
| 20:59:14 | CommanserJ | I want to help but at the moment I don't think there is anything I can do |
| 21:00:05 | CoolMan | oh well |
| 21:04:47 | CoolMan | ooh |
| 21:04:53 | CoolMan | this is cool |
| 21:29:44 | CoolMan | SUCCESS!!!!! THANK THE LORD! |
| 21:29:54 | CoolMan | IS ANYBODY STILL THERE? |
| 21:30:03 | CommanserJ | success? |
| 21:30:16 | CoolMan | i found one! |
| 21:30:26 | CommanserJ | hey cool |
| 21:30:36 | CoolMan | hold on |
| 21:30:45 | CoolMan | http://www.joy-stick.net/reviews/gamepads/p1500.htm |
| 21:31:46 | CoolMan | http://www.saitekusa.com/product/p1500.htm |
| 21:34:06 | CommanserJ | okay I'm checking them out. waiting for the pages to load still |
| 21:37:12 | CoolMan | it looks like they might discontinue it :( |
| 21:37:16 | CoolMan | hope not |
| 21:38:19 | CommanserJ | looks good. saitek are pretty good I feel. I've got their x36 joystick. |
| 21:40:04 | CoolMan | i just want to know if some of their newer gamepads use i-force? |
| 21:40:28 | CoolMan | because the linux kernal supports all i-force gamepads... |
| 21:41:51 | CommanserJ | I like the design of that p1500 |
| 21:46:20 | CoolMan | yeah, it looks phat |
| 21:46:59 | CommanserJ | should go well with a shiny new tuxbox |
| 21:48:10 | CoolMan | yep, only $30 too |
| 21:48:23 | CoolMan | wait, you're from england right |
| 21:48:35 | CommanserJ | yeah. that's right |
| 21:48:43 | CommanserJ | but sounds lieka good price to me |
| 21:48:49 | CoolMan | so that should be around 60 pounds |
| 21:48:54 | CoolMan | right? |
| 21:49:34 | CommanserJ | not positive but I would have thought more like 20 |
| 21:50:00 | CommanserJ | 60 would be really expensive for a pad |
| 21:50:05 | CoolMan | wait, |
| 21:50:15 | CoolMan | i went thewrong way |
| 21:50:36 | CoolMan | pund are worth about $2, not the other way around |
| 21:50:40 | CoolMan | pounds |
| 21:51:29 | CoolMan | so like 15 pounds right? |
| 21:51:49 | CoolMan | yeah, 60 would be expensive, that would be $120 |
| 21:53:33 | | well, hello is any one around? |
| 21:53:33 | CoolMan | hello? |
| 21:53:46 | CommanserJ | I'm back |
| 21:53:53 | CoolMan | what happened? |
| 21:54:06 | CommanserJ | d/c again |
| 21:54:12 | CommanserJ | happens all the time |
| 21:54:16 | CoolMan | ah |
| 21:54:28 | CoolMan | well, anyway, i went the wrong way |
| 21:54:44 | CoolMan | pounds are worth $2 not the other way around |
| 21:55:09 | CoolMan | 60 pounds would be expensive, 120 USD! |
| 21:55:27 | CommanserJ | yeah. that's a tad expensive for tuxbox I think! |
| 21:55:33 | CoolMan | so it should be like 15 pounds right? |
| 21:55:43 | CommanserJ | around there yeah |
| 21:55:56 | CommanserJ | that's very good. I paid 35 for my sidewinder. |
| 21:56:09 | CoolMan | allright, i'm going to have to get off i think |
| 21:56:19 | CoolMan | i've got a tad of schoolwork to do |
| 21:56:48 | CoolMan | and i need to email these saitek people (my linux machine isn't set up for email yet) |
| 21:57:02 | CoolMan | so i hope i'll see you here later today? |
| 21:57:09 | CommanserJ | yeah okay. |
| 21:57:17 | CoolMan | cya |
| 21:57:20 | CommanserJ | it's 10pm here so I'm not sure how long I'll be on but I should be here |
| 21:57:25 | CommanserJ | later |
| 21:57:30 | CoolMan[Away] | 10pm?!? |
| 21:57:41 | CoolMan[Away] | i didn't even think of that |
| 21:57:45 | CommanserJ | yeah! |
| 21:57:55 | CoolMan[Away] | it's barely 5 here |
| 21:58:00 | CoolMan[Away] | haha |
| 22:30:32 | CoolerQ | CoolMan[Away]: ya there? |
| 22:31:05 | CoolMan | I am now, you still there? |
| 22:32:21 | CoolerQ | ya |
| 22:32:51 | CoolMan | man,did you hear? |
| 22:32:59 | CoolMan | i found a controller that should work |
| 22:33:10 | CommanserJ | hey |
| 22:33:28 | CoolMan | hi |
| 22:33:33 | CoolMan | yeah i'm back |
| 22:33:33 | CoolerQ | i didn't hear |
| 22:33:39 | CoolerQ | what is it? |
| 22:33:54 | CoolMan | yeah it's the saitek p1500 |
| 22:34:21 | CoolMan | it uses the I-Force protocol, so it should work with the driver in the kernal |
| 22:35:11 | CoolMan | i have yet to hear a success story tho |
| 22:35:22 | CoolMan | i may have to go out and buy it and see |
| 23:31:27 | | hola, CoolMan |
| 23:31:27 | CoolMan | hello, ibot |
| 23:31:38 | | eh, ok |
| 23:31:38 | CoolMan | how are you, ibot? |
| 23:32:53 | CoolMan | why are you, ibot? |
| 23:33:03 | | CoolMan: i'm not following you... |
| 23:33:03 | CoolMan | how, ibot? |
| 23:33:11 | | CoolMan: sorry... |
| 23:33:11 | CoolMan | when, ibot? |
| 23:33:22 | | no idea, coolman |
| 23:33:22 | CoolMan | ibot, are you stupid? |
| 23:33:30 | | Sorry, CoolMan, I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 23:33:30 | CoolMan | shut up, ibot |
| 23:33:34 | | Sorry, CoolMan, I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 23:33:34 | CoolMan | shut up, ibot |
| 23:33:35 | | Sorry, CoolMan, I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 23:33:35 | CoolMan | shut up, ibot |
| 23:33:37 | | Sorry, CoolMan, I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 23:33:37 | CoolMan | shut up, ibot |
| 23:33:38 | | Sorry, CoolMan, I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 23:33:38 | CoolMan | shut up, ibot |
| 23:33:39 | | Sorry, CoolMan, I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 23:33:39 | CoolMan | shut up, ibot |
| 23:33:40 | | Sorry, CoolMan, I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 23:33:40 | CoolMan | shut up, ibot |
| 23:33:41 | | Sorry, CoolMan, I'll keep my mouth shut. |
| 23:33:41 | CoolMan | shut up, ibot |