| 02:46:44 | magnwa | Hello? |
| 02:49:16 | Snake | hi |
| 02:50:49 | Snake | you got any 3D Designing experience |
| 02:51:17 | magnwa | Nope. |
| 02:52:40 | Snake | any programming |
| 02:52:44 | Snake | web desgin |
| 02:52:47 | Snake | marketing |
| 02:53:16 | magnwa | None that I can afford to divert from what I'm on. |
| 02:54:12 | Snake | wha? |
| 02:54:15 | Snake | say again |
| 02:55:02 | Snake | its just that im looking for people to be on my game desinging team, we are working on a game, but dont have enought people |
| 02:55:12 | magnwa | What are you doing for the project? |
| 02:55:34 | Snake | the game |
| 02:55:36 | Snake | or tuxbox |
| 02:55:48 | magnwa | No, I mean, what is your purpose in the game design? |
| 02:56:02 | Snake | well |
| 02:56:05 | Snake | pretty much |
| 02:56:10 | Snake | desinging |
| 02:56:11 | Snake | it |
| 02:56:16 | magnwa | Do you program? |
| 02:56:22 | Snake | nope |
| 02:56:31 | magnwa | I don't work for non programming designers.. sorry. |
| 02:56:45 | Snake | we've got 3 programmmers |
| 02:56:58 | magnwa | No, I mean, I don't work for designers who do not program. |
| 02:57:07 | Snake | wierd person you are |
| 02:57:15 | magnwa | No. Typical game programmer. |
| 02:57:39 | Snake | we have 3 programmers, 1 3D designer/animator , 1 professional wedesigner |
| 02:57:48 | Snake | you are not a typical programmer |
| 02:57:53 | magnwa | I use a modern game company team design when I work. |
| 02:58:10 | magnwa | Yes, I am a typical programmer. I'm paid as one. There's no such position as "Game Designer" in companies. |
| 02:58:32 | Snake | do you know you are wrong |
| 02:58:38 | Snake | and do you know why you are worng |
| 02:58:42 | magnwa | And you can ask Loki, John Carmack, etc if you want on that :) They've fielded this question before ;) |
| 02:58:45 | Snake | because i am a game designer |
| 02:59:12 | magnwa | That's nice. How much money have you made doing it? |
| 02:59:21 | Snake | ive desinged the game, the screen, i do the marketing |
| 02:59:38 | Snake | we are a home team, we work for free and for fun |
| 03:00:12 | magnwa | I mean, HOW do you know that I'm not a typical programmers? Typical programmers get paid. They feed their families. |
| 03:00:38 | Snake | yes but i know a typical prgrammer who helps us out and does our 3d design |
| 03:00:43 | Snake | and he gets paid for it |
| 03:00:51 | Snake | but not by us |
| 03:00:57 | Snake | he helps us for free |
| 03:01:06 | Snake | i dont programme |
| 03:01:11 | Snake | but that didnt change his mind |
| 03:01:16 | magnwa | My point is, I do not work for non-programming designers. |
| 03:01:23 | magnwa | Most professionals don't work for npd's |
| 03:01:27 | Snake | well thats stupid |
| 03:01:36 | Snake | how dumb |
| 03:01:40 | magnwa | Not really. Programmers don't want to do all the work. |
| 03:02:07 | Snake | well if they are getting the profic equaly shared out from what the game makes then they do |
| 03:02:09 | magnwa | And in my experience, when I worked with / for NPD's , I ended up with a lot of worthless expectations that could not be met. |
| 03:02:37 | magnwa | Snake, to be brutally honest, I've not seen a team with a designer who doesn't program ever get a product out. |
| 03:02:49 | magnwa | And I've watched around 2 or 3 hundred software devs |
| 03:04:41 | Snake | well no you have seen a non-programming game designer thatll get the game on the merket |
| 03:05:01 | Snake | market* |
| 03:06:53 | magnwa | We'll see. I've seen that before. |
| 03:08:02 | magnwa | It's an extremely down market, and you're coding for a very select OS. |
| 03:08:24 | magnwa | It would be VERY tough for an indie to get a game on the conventional market. |
| 03:08:42 | Snake | what OS do you think we are doing it for |
| 03:08:47 | Snake | Linux and Windows |
| 03:08:51 | Snake | is what we are doing |
| 03:08:54 | Snake | not for the tuxbox |
| 03:09:06 | magnwa | Regardless. Do you have 5 or 10 million? |
| 03:09:14 | Snake | no |
| 03:09:22 | Snake | what the hell would you need that for |
| 03:09:35 | magnwa | Marketing, advertising, paying the magazines to review your game, etc |
| 03:10:06 | Snake | getting a buisness loan |
| 03:10:12 | Snake | starting a buisness |
| 03:10:19 | Snake | buy it through the business |
| 03:10:23 | Snake | get the tax return |
| 03:10:44 | Snake | but we dont need all that |
| 03:10:58 | magnwa | How old are you? |
| 03:11:05 | Snake | all game team eg squaresoft had to of started somewhere |
| 03:11:10 | Snake | im 14 |
| 03:11:26 | magnwa | Square started at a different time. In a different market. And they had millions in investment. |
| 03:11:50 | magnwa | Right now, I would say that getting onto a market isn't a realistic goal. Having fun, however, can be :) |
| 03:11:52 | Snake | yes i was only using it as a example |
| 03:12:03 | Snake | yes i suppose |
| 03:12:11 | Snake | but i think i can get it onto the market |
| 03:12:35 | Snake | and |
| 03:12:44 | Snake | if the gamne turns out good enough |
| 03:12:50 | magnwa | What kind of game is it? |
| 03:12:50 | Snake | we could sell it to a company |
| 03:12:55 | Snake | army |
| 03:12:58 | Snake | like |
| 03:13:13 | Snake | rogu spear |
| 03:13:20 | Snake | counter strike sort of thing |
| 03:13:24 | magnwa | Well.. most companies won't pick up a linux game. Linux is kinda poison. |
| 03:13:57 | Snake | we are making a windows version as well |
| 03:14:03 | Snake | windows goes on the market |
| 03:14:14 | Snake | window version goes ont he merket* |
| 03:14:18 | Snake | market* |
| 03:14:22 | magnwa | Ahh. |
| 03:14:30 | Snake | sorry i cant spell for shit :) |
| 03:16:21 | magnwa | I'm in a gamedev right now anyway |
| 03:16:35 | Snake | what game? |
| 03:17:05 | Snake | well, to put it probperly, what type of game? |
| 03:17:46 | magnwa | Sports. 2d, Top down. EA Sports type. Hockey. |
| 03:18:11 | Snake | kool |
| 03:18:22 | Snake | got a working version |
| 03:18:35 | Snake | i think 2d can be alot better then 3d games |
| 03:20:10 | magnwa | No, no working version right now. |
| 03:20:29 | magnwa | Just doing design phase. Got about 20 pages of design done.. and then I'm going to move into the art phase. |
| 03:20:38 | magnwa | Programming is about 20% of the job :) |
| 03:21:18 | Snake | yeah |
| 03:21:36 | Snake | making a game is a long lenthly proccess, even when you know what you are doig |
| 03:21:40 | Snake | doing* |
| 03:22:09 | magnwa | Yep. This game is my entry in the SDL contest. |
| 03:22:18 | Snake | SDL contest? |
| 03:22:27 | Snake | im interested |
| 03:22:42 | Snake | im not going to enter i dont think, i just want to check out the games |
| 03:23:12 | Snake | tell me more? |
| 03:23:17 | magnwa | www.nostarch.com/?games |
| 03:23:24 | Snake | kool |
| 03:23:29 | magnwa | I think has info on it. None of the games are out now, due date is December 1, 01 |
| 03:24:09 | Snake | dont you meen 02? |
| 03:24:17 | Snake | no no sorry |
| 03:24:20 | Snake | my mistake |
| 03:24:23 | Snake | 01 |
| 03:24:23 | Snake | your right |
| 03:24:26 | Snake | lol |
| 03:25:09 | Snake | First Place |
| 03:25:10 | Snake | Entire Library of Loki Software games |
| 03:25:10 | Snake | 10 No Starch Press books |
| 03:25:10 | Snake | 2 year subscription to Linux Journal |
| 03:25:10 | Snake | No Starch Press T-shirt |
| 03:25:11 | magnwa | I want the first prize :) |
| 03:25:16 | Snake | wow nice prizes |
| 03:25:54 | Snake | whats SDL though? |
| 03:26:42 | magnwa | www.libsdl.org , Simple DirectMedia Library. :) It's an api that helps displaying images , sounds, etc |
| 03:27:24 | Snake | should me and my team join |
| 03:27:45 | Snake | ill make sure we only get second proze ;P |
| 03:27:51 | Snake | prize* |
| 03:28:10 | magnwa | If you're doing an SDL game, that can get out by 12/01, and can fit it under a meg, sure, why not? I'm shooting hard for that goal right now, I dunno if I can get it out in time. |
| 03:28:40 | Snake | hmmm |
| 03:28:45 | Snake | whats so hard about SDL |
| 03:28:51 | magnwa | Nothing. |
| 03:29:00 | Snake | how does it work |
| 03:29:17 | Snake | RTFM |
| 03:29:20 | magnwa | Check out www.libsdl.org :) It's just a library for C :) |
| 03:29:25 | Snake | dont worry ill RTFM |
| 03:30:23 | Snake | do you have to Download SDL? |
| 03:31:00 | magnwa | Yep.. it's at that site. I gotta run |
| 03:31:02 | magnwa | Night! |
| 03:31:10 | Snake | night |
| 12:31:59 | magnwa | Anyone here? |
| 17:29:34 | travis_143cw | grr |
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| 17:29:45 | travis_143cw | ibot: slashdot? |
| 18:44:09 | magnwa | Is anyone here now? |
| 20:21:31 | Bakemono | anyone alive? |
| 23:39:31 | Snake | travis |
| 23:39:33 | Snake | you der? |