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| 16:13.50 | toky | hello |
| 16:14.34 | toky | I need to configure tomcat, I would like to configure it for multiple instances |
| 16:14.51 | toky | I've found this how-to http://www.puschitz.com/InstallingTomcat.html#SettingUpFirstTomcatJVMInstance |
| 16:15.17 | toky | anyone know of a more up-to-date howto? |
| 16:15.39 | toky | this in on a centos6.2 AWS instance |
| 16:16.21 | whartung | what do you mean "multiple instances"? |
| 16:17.45 | toky | from what I read from that howto, it starts a new tomcat instance for each app |
| 16:18.03 | whartung | what do YOU want to do? |
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| 16:18.31 | toky | need to run SOLR and memcached for a website |
| 16:18.50 | whartung | ok, so? |
| 16:19.02 | whartung | you can run multiple web apps in a single instance of tomcat |
| 16:19.03 | toky | so, i've never dealt with tomcat |
| 16:19.53 | whartung | I didn't know memcached was a java web app |
| 16:19.59 | toky | yea, but the devs might want to add more apps later... i'm concerned that if they do and one of them goes crazy it might kill tomcat and all its web apps |
| 16:20.26 | toky | whartung: not saying it is... it is part of what i need to do in this server |
| 16:20.35 | whartung | yea, it's possible they can do that. |
| 16:20.54 | whartung | seems overcomplicated until they do. |
| 16:21.01 | toky | so, i will like to keep solr on 1 tomcat instance so its not affected by other ones |
| 16:21.33 | toky | yea... I'm just trying to be ready for them to say now we want to run 3 more tomcat apps... |
| 16:21.56 | toky | so, I installed tomcat6-6.0.24-45.el6.noarch on this centos6.2 ami |
| 16:22.17 | whartung | yea, I've never installed a tomcat save from their tar file. |
| 16:22.27 | toky | and i can start it and verify ports are listening :) |
| 16:24.06 | toky | so, the how-to I'm following used the tar file, and I did not I used the rpm, I don't think it should be much difference on that |
| 16:24.32 | whartung | just the RPM likely puts stuff in difference places, and might install a init.d script for you. |
| 16:24.34 | toky | but on my $CATALINA_HOME/bin there is nothing |
| 16:25.01 | whartung | then your CATALINA_HOME is wrong, or you didn't untar the file properly. |
| 16:25.12 | whartung | the tar is pretty simple |
| 16:26.17 | toky | the how-to references a startup.sh on that folder...the rpm did not install that script at all |
| 16:26.38 | whartung | yea I can't speak to the rpm |
| 16:27.04 | toky | do you have all your apps runnign out of 1 tomcat instance? |
| 16:27.20 | whartung | pretty much |
| 16:27.48 | whartung | but it's not a big deal if we have to restart the server for us. |
| 16:28.00 | whartung | they're all pretty integrated as it is |
| 16:28.02 | toky | so, then you have one server.xml that has entries for all your apps? |
| 16:28.17 | whartung | we do everything in the WAR and context.xml |
| 16:28.27 | whartung | we don't tweak server.xml once, save for global stuff. |
| 16:29.46 | toky | hmm k |
| 16:30.25 | whartung | it's certainly possible for a bad app to consume the JVM, that's a reality -- we just test and such to ensure that it doesn't happen. |
| 16:31.12 | whartung | to tomcat the difference between 10 apps with 1 servlet each and 1 app with 10 servlets is pretty much minimal. |
| 16:31.30 | whartung | it's more politics at that point. No real technical reason to not use a single container. |
| 16:32.14 | toky | so, last week the our website had issues cause tomcat went crazy... |
| 16:32.37 | toky | everything was installed on the same host, apache, tomcat and sql servers |
| 16:33.17 | toky | im the fng here now... the previous guy is in jail now |
| 16:33.30 | whartung | nice |
| 16:33.52 | whartung | As a note, most folks who use tomcat, afaik, don't go to jail -- so you can put that worry from your mind :) |
| 16:33.56 | toky | im trying to figure this stuff out and Cover my a.. so this does not happen again |
| 16:34.03 | toky | hahaha |
| 16:34.30 | toky | i still dont know what he did to get there... but bastards did not mention that on my interview |
| 16:34.45 | toky | would've requested a no-jail clause |
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| 16:35.10 | whartung | basically, if the SOLR server has a life and value outside of the web app, then it can make sense to run it separately so it can have a separate lifecycle than the web app. If not, then if SOLR is down, then the web app is down, and vice a versa, so no need to complicate with multiple installs. |
| 16:35.34 | whartung | what happened to your web app? why did it go crazy? |
| 16:36.01 | toky | i'm not sure, that instance is in a shared aws-account in which I do not have access |
| 16:36.09 | whartung | ok |
| 16:36.21 | toky | thats why we are migrating everything off that aws account on to ours |
| 16:36.29 | whartung | k |
| 16:37.16 | toky | that is why im trying to set this like this... since I am doing all the work now |
| 16:38.17 | whartung | well it's simple enough to set up two instances, as the article mentions. CATALINA_HOME is where /bin and /lib live, CATALINA_BASE is where everything else lives (notably /conf and /webapps). |
| 16:38.29 | whartung | After that it's a matter of setting ports which is straightforward. |
| 16:38.43 | toky | so, if I was installing all in 1 tomcat instance, I would just cp the solr files on to $CATALINA_HOME/webapss ? |
| 16:38.44 | whartung | and then setting up startup scripts to set ENV vars |
| 16:38.48 | whartung | ues |
| 16:38.49 | whartung | yes |
| 16:39.22 | toky | yes, i've setup the env file |
| 16:39.38 | toky | but I still do not see how tomcat will get to that file |
| 16:39.44 | whartung | it won't |
| 16:40.08 | whartung | to run tomcat, the minimum you need is a JAVA_HOME so it can find java. |
| 16:40.19 | whartung | then bin/startup.sh will Just Work with the local install. |
| 16:40.59 | toky | so, how will it know of the app in /opt/INSTANCE/webapp |
| 16:41.07 | toky | k, sorry had already typed all that |
| 16:41.10 | whartung | it won't, not by default |
| 16:41.18 | toky | but there is no bin/startup file |
| 16:41.33 | toky | guess i will look into the tar file install |
| 16:41.37 | whartung | then you didn't install the tar file correctly from Apache. (or used a different one) |
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| 16:41.48 | toky | like i said, i installed the rpm |
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| 16:42.38 | whartung | cd /opt; tar xfz tomcat_install.tar.gz; cat apache-tomcat-xxxyyy; JAVA_HOME=/your/java; sh bin/startup.sh |
| 16:42.52 | whartung | s/cat/cd |
| 16:43.04 | whartung | those are the simplest instructions for getting TC to run. |
| 16:44.11 | whartung | plop your war in the /webapps dir, and on your way. |
| 16:44.20 | whartung | if you want to run in another instace |
| 16:44.35 | whartung | copy the entire TOMCAT directory to /opt/NEWINTANCE |
| 16:44.53 | toky | ok |
| 16:44.57 | whartung | rm -rf /bin /lib |
| 16:45.08 | whartung | CATALINA_BASE=/opt/NEWINSTANCE |
| 16:45.19 | whartung | fire off TC from the original /bin/startup.sh |
| 16:45.33 | toky | so, what about the tomcat6-wepaps? |
| 16:45.44 | whartung | is that some other directory from the RPM? |
| 16:45.55 | toky | yea |
| 16:46.04 | toky | well I installed 3 rpms |
| 16:46.21 | whartung | then it's just abandoned -- like I said, I don't know anything about the rpms, so can't say how they've scattered the files to the wind |
| 16:46.29 | toky | tomcat6, tomcat6-webapps and tomcat6-admin-webapps |
| 16:46.37 | whartung | yea ok |
| 16:46.46 | whartung | "can this be any more complicated?" |
| 16:47.05 | toky | k, so much for rpm being easy-er |
| 16:47.29 | toky | i will try the tar file, I guess that is easy to script too anyways |
| 16:47.29 | whartung | yea, it's nice because it's more difficult to install and then doesn't match any of the website documentation -- so it's a win win :) |
| 16:47.46 | toky | k, brb |
| 16:48.09 | toky | whartung: thanks for u time |
| 16:48.13 | whartung | si |
| 16:48.43 | toky | si as in spanish? or something else? |
| 16:48.50 | whartung | si as in spanish |
| 16:49.00 | toky | gracias |
| 16:49.09 | whartung | 33% mire efficient than 'yes' .. saves bandwidth :D |
| 16:49.13 | whartung | *more |
| 16:49.18 | toky | hahaha |
| 16:49.46 | toky | true that...BUT i have to be careful its not some TC acro that i didnt knwo about |
| 16:49.50 | toky | *know |
| 16:49.55 | whartung | si :D |
| 16:50.11 | toky | k, brb |
| 16:52.46 | jasonb | whartung: To find out which files rpm installed: rpm -ql <package-name> |
| 16:53.05 | toky | jasonb: i already did that |
| 16:53.19 | toky | the startup.sh file was not installed |
| 16:53.30 | jasonb | Which RPM did you install? From where? |
| 16:53.55 | toky | 12:46 < toky> tomcat6, tomcat6-webapps and tomcat6-admin-webapps |
| 16:53.56 | whartung | more reason to just rely on the default install from the apache web site... |
| 16:54.27 | toky | I installed it from the base repo |
| 16:54.30 | jasonb | toky: I recommend you use my Tomcat RPM instead. It's much simpler.. The one in the channel topic ^^ |
| 16:55.05 | toky | IF you have a srpm I can try it |
| 16:55.16 | jasonb | Of course I do. |
| 16:55.58 | toky | where can i get them? |
| 16:56.01 | whartung | since tomcat is (to me) trivial to install (once you get the JDK requirement solved), what's the value of the rpm jasonb ? |
| 16:56.28 | jasonb | toky: Do this: svn co http://webdroid-tomcat-package.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ webdroid-tomcat-package |
| 16:56.49 | jasonb | Then, cd into webdroid-tomcat-package and it's an ant build. |
| 16:56.56 | toky | k, odd everyone is on the git bandwagon now-a-days |
| 16:57.18 | jasonb | It is actually a highly customizable ant build so that you can build packages that fit what you're trying to do. |
| 16:57.38 | jasonb | Yes, I realize I need to move it to git & Maven.. I've been a bit busy lately. :) |
| 16:58.05 | toky | oh no, not that you have to... I do prefer svn too |
| 16:58.19 | toky | its just that it seems everyone is raving about git |
| 16:58.19 | jasonb | So you can edit the build file and at the top you can configure it how you want it via ant properties. |
| 16:58.24 | jasonb | Then, just type: ant |
| 16:58.32 | jasonb | That will build you the srpms and rpms. |
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| 16:59.23 | toky | jasonb: you understand I just can't install an rpm that i can't look into ;) |
| 17:00.37 | whartung | afk biab |
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| 17:05.17 | jasonb | toky: Oh, for sure, you should always have the source, and ideally be able to build customized packages. That's why I made the Tomcat build highly customizable. |
| 17:51.30 | toky | getting stuff is pretty hard w/ 2 toddlers running around... |
| 17:51.37 | toky | I got the tar install done |
| 17:52.09 | toky | now I need to get solr installed in this TC container |
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