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| 09:04.38 | sampo_tike | hi. is there a reason why tomcat 6.0 retrieves all SSL request attributes for each getAttributeNames() call? |
| 09:05.25 | sampo_tike | see getAttributeNames() in http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/tomcat/tc6.0.x/trunk/java/org/apache/catalina/connector/Request.java |
| 09:05.56 | sampo_tike | this causes enormous performance issues with applications where getAttributeNames() is called repetitively |
| 09:06.40 | sampo_tike | frameworks like myfaces can cause thousands of calls to that function per page render |
| 09:07.18 | sampo_tike | https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MYFACES-2823 |
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| 12:15.57 | rileyp | 6.0.24-2ubuntu1.2_java-6-sun-1.6.0.20 lucid2.6.32-22-generic |
| 12:17.06 | rileyp | Hi i'd like to sort out wtf is going on with regard to tomcat6 and its assosiated files Im sorry Im not a programmer so my skills are weak |
| 12:18.18 | rileyp | /etc/default/tomcat6 do I set my catalina base and home here ? |
| 12:19.56 | rileyp | /etc/init.d/tomcat6 when do I use this as when this used the base and JRE home are differnt to when I use /usr/share/tomcat6/bin/sstartup.sh |
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| 12:54.12 | rileyp | bazhang, Im here but no-else is |
| 12:54.26 | rileyp | /etc/default/tomcat6 do I set my catalina base and home here ? |
| 12:54.41 | bazhang | rileyp, and in the /topic it says its a slow motion channel |
| 12:54.48 | rileyp | /etc/init.d/tomcat6 when do I use this as when this used the base and JRE home are differnt to when I use /usr/share/tomcat6/bin/startup.sh |
| 12:54.58 | rileyp | oh ok |
| 12:55.19 | bazhang | Ask your question including your TC, Java, & OS versions, then wait; check back often for answers. |
| 12:56.20 | rileyp | Ive added that stuff earlier thanks |
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| 13:32.29 | jasonb | rileyp: Yes, set any of your environment variable settings in /etc/default/tomcat6. But, if you're wanting to change either CATALINA_HOME or CATALINA_BASE then you should install the "tomcat-user" package and use the script(s) in there for that. http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/tomcat6-user |
| 13:35.11 | rileyp | jasonb I have no need to change them so whats the go with /usr/share/bin/shartup.sh what is it used for |
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| 13:36.00 | rileyp | oops I mean /usr/share/tomcat6/bin/startup.sh and shuitdown.sh |
| 13:36.31 | jasonb | rileyp: If you're using the Tomcat package that is integrated with Linux, then you should be using the Linux init script to start | stop | restart Tomcat.. not the stock Tomcat startup.sh | shutdown.sh scripts. |
| 13:36.52 | rileyp | why are they there is /etc/init.d/startup.sh lol |
| 13:37.16 | rileyp | ok so I dont use at all /usr/share/tomcat6/bin/startup.sh |
| 13:37.43 | rileyp | or the shutdown.sh they are just there to upset and confuse me |
| 13:37.51 | jasonb | I'm not aware of any /etc/init.d/startup.sh file. Does your installation have that file? |
| 13:37.51 | rileyp | yes? |
| 13:37.58 | Emperorlou | when are websockets scheduled to go into tomcat? and is there a good websocket solution in the meantime? |
| 13:38.42 | rileyp | sorry no I mean /etc/init.d/tomcat6 start /stop or restart and status |
| 13:39.20 | rileyp | which is fine and its started automaticcly upon boot |
| 13:40.25 | rileyp | so should I use /var/lib/tomcat6 for my catalina-base or the /usr/share/tomcat6 |
| 13:40.33 | jasonb | rileyp: That's a good question. Probably startup.sh and shutdown.sh should just be deleted from the ubuntu Tomcat package, but they're still there because they are part of stock Tomcat, and if some software needs to use them, that shouldn't cause an error due to the scripts being missing. |
| 13:41.46 | jasonb | /var/lib/tomcat6 <-- CATALINA_BASE |
| 13:41.47 | rileyp | Ok it was very hard for me to work out as the startup.sh and etc/init.d/tomcat6 wjhen chosen would use differing catalina base and jre-homes |
| 13:41.56 | jasonb | /usr/share/tomcat6 <-- CATALINA_HOME |
| 13:42.42 | jasonb | Yeah, the startup shell environment is different between those two, because one of them is the "right one" to use, and the other one is the wrong one. :) |
| 13:42.48 | rileyp | ok so I set that in etc/default/tomcat6 and make sure the neceasrry files are there and stick with it |
| 13:43.49 | jasonb | Emperorlou: You could look at the atmosphere project for now.. |
| 13:43.52 | jasonb | ibot: atmosphere |
| 13:43.53 | ibot | atmosphere is probably http://github.com/jfarcand/atmosphere |
| 13:44.33 | Emperorlou | jasonb: I'm using atmosphere :) |
| 13:45.11 | jasonb | Emperorlou: Doesn't that give you websockets with Tomcat? |
| 13:45.26 | Emperorlou | Its not really that sort of project |
| 13:45.39 | Emperorlou | it gives you fall-back solutions when websockets isn't available |
| 13:45.55 | Emperorlou | so websocks fallback to comet fallback to long-polling fallback to polling |
| 13:46.01 | jasonb | oh. |
| 13:46.20 | Emperorlou | so tomcat can only support up to comet |
| 13:46.43 | rileyp | jasonb thnakyou very much |
| 13:48.13 | jasonb | rileyp: You're welcome. |
| 13:48.32 | jasonb | Emperorlou: The atmosphere web site seems to claim that it does quite a bit more. |
| 13:48.45 | cheeser | jasonb: atmosphere will choose to use comet over websockets if it can't find it. |
| 13:49.01 | cheeser | but i don't think it implements websockets itself. just provides a portable layer on top. |
| 13:50.01 | jasonb | cheeser: But if I'm wanting to use websockets, specifically, and wanting to use Tomcat, then I pick up atmosphere and that doesn't work, that would be annoying. |
| 13:50.19 | jasonb | (since the site claims it works) |
| 13:50.53 | rileyp | Man Ive been struggling with taht for 2 day and its been doing my head in I only wish I new there was a tomcat forum 2 days ago just didnt think to try |
| 13:51.02 | Emperorlou | the communication works. the transport used is not guaranteed |
| 13:51.21 | jasonb | Emperorlou: There hasn't been any discussion recently on the tomcat-dev mailing list on anyone working on adding websockets to Tomcat itself. |
| 13:51.53 | Emperorlou | thats disappointing |
| 13:51.59 | Emperorlou | I may have to switch to glassfish then :( |
| 13:53.14 | jasonb | Emperorlou: Tomcat 7 has been the focus for quite some time, supporting Servlets 3.0 and some other important fixes.. |
| 13:53.32 | jasonb | Bring it up on the mailing list. |
| 13:54.39 | cheeser | Emperorlou: w00t! 8^)= i'm the author of the glassfish websockets support. |
| 13:55.05 | cheeser | i'm debating contributing support for it to tomcat but i'll have to get clearance from my manager, probably. |
| 13:55.14 | cheeser | oracle has ... interesting views on OSS contribution. |
| 13:55.57 | cheeser | in fact, i'll email him now and see what explodes |
| 13:56.07 | Emperorlou | cheeser: if you do this, I'll give you a free subscription for life for my massive online HTML5 game that will take over the world and change gaming forever :p |
| 13:56.18 | cheeser | haha. deal. |
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| 13:59.09 | jasonb | Thanks for trying, cheeser! |
| 13:59.20 | cheeser | sure. 8^)= |
| 13:59.36 | cheeser | shouldn't be too hard to redo. the protocol is pretty simple. |
| 14:00.21 | Emperorlou | nice, websockets by noon? :p |
| 14:02.49 | cheeser | i wish |
| 14:03.05 | cheeser | just realized this morning it's 2 months until JavaOne and JavaZone. |
| 14:03.14 | cheeser | i have lots of writing to do. |
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| 14:24.32 | perl_bug | hi |
| 14:25.21 | perl_bug | Is there any good solution to host a virtual directory inside a web app? (without losing features like caching etc. provided by the J2EE / Tomcat container) |
| 14:26.27 | perl_bug | at best I'd like to have a solution independand of J2EE implementation |
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| 15:01.16 | progre55 | hi people! is it possible to link a context.xml file to an external location? |
| 15:01.48 | progre55 | for instance, it's saved on some server, and tomcat gets it from that central location for the webapps that use it |
| 15:07.16 | perl_bug | progre55: that setup seem insecure? ... because the remote location can reconfigure the server |
| 15:07.33 | perl_bug | progre55: you can however configure a global context for the tomcat? |
| 15:08.25 | progre55 | perl_bug: a global context? do you mean the one in $CATALINA_BASE/conf/context.xml? |
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| 15:08.57 | perl_bug | I don't know if it is possible to partially run the tomcat webapp directory on a network filesystem then you might use a central context.xml |
| 15:08.59 | perl_bug | progre55: yes |
| 15:09.18 | progre55 | perl_bug: I just have several tomcat clones in different servers, and they all have the same web-application. I just want to keep the context in one place, so that when I make changes to it, I dont have to edit all the tomcat instances.. |
| 15:09.40 | perl_bug | try to use a symlink |
| 15:10.20 | perl_bug | as long as you're staying on the same machine that should be acceptable |
| 15:10.44 | progre55 | well, not on the same machine, that's the problem. |
| 15:12.02 | perl_bug | have you thought about using a cron daemon to update the context.xml ? you could possibly do it at night and restart the tomcat then (if it does not automatically detect a change) |
| 15:14.59 | perl_bug | I'm out now |
| 15:15.06 | progre55 | but it doesnt change that much. I might change it manually when needed. And I have several tomcat instances running on several servers, and they are load-balanced. I just dont want to change the context in all of them manually, but keep a central context file on one of the servers, and be able to change that one |
| 15:15.41 | perl_bug | build a script that copies the files to all of them and restarts the daemon |
| 15:16.21 | perl_bug | that's the best idea I can think of ... perhaps even use rsync to make all nodes fetch updates from a central location |
| 15:16.38 | perl_bug | gl |
| 15:17.31 | progre55 | thanks.. but you're already gone ) |
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| 15:23.37 | julesss | Hello! I have a remote web server using a self created ssl certificate (Apache2). I would like to connect to this server via SSL with my local servlet instance (on tomcat). For this purpose I downloaded the certificate, created a .keystore file with keytool command and added this certificate to it. I still get a ValidatorException: PKIX path building failed.... "unable to find valid certification path to requested target". I guess, |
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| 15:55.24 | melter | has there been a recent change to the way tomcat flushes access logs? |
| 16:01.30 | jasonb | melter: Yes, in 6.0.24 and higher I believe. |
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| 17:28.06 | oliva | hi there ... I have moved an application from a site deployed with netbeans to a tomcat container running with mod_jk. In my application I was using the jsessionid parameter to uniquely identify the users sessions. On the new server it is not working anymore: the jsessionid is an empty string. Does anybody have a clue about what may have been changed? |
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| 18:16.20 | the_unmaker | is it better to run all apps in 1 tomcat |
| 18:16.28 | the_unmaker | or 4 apps in 4 tomcats? |
| 18:16.46 | the_unmaker | centos 4.6 sdk 1.6 tomcat 6 |
| 18:19.17 | cheeser | i would think one tomcat. if for no other reason than that you'd need 4 different ports otherwise. |
| 18:20.07 | jasonb | the_unmaker: It depends on a number of factors. 1) Whether each of the webapps are well behaved or crashy, 2) Whether this is webapp hosting for third parties or if you own all the webapps, 3) Whether you have the ability to modify the source code of the webapps or not to make them play well together in the same JVM, 4) Whether you need all of these webapps to appear to be on the same web site and port or not, etc. |
| 18:21.06 | cheeser | you could front it with apache and use mod_proxy to route to the different tomcats behind the scenes but that's increasing ugly |
| 18:21.43 | cheeser | s/apache/apache httpd/ |
| 18:26.47 | the_unmaker | all my own |
| 18:26.56 | the_unmaker | crashy is debaable |
| 18:27.07 | the_unmaker | we dev the apps |
| 18:27.09 | the_unmaker | have the code |
| 18:27.18 | the_unmaker | apps on diff ports |
| 18:27.47 | the_unmaker | I deally I would have the load balancer redirect to different ports on tomcat for different apps |
| 18:27.50 | the_unmaker | screw apache |
| 18:28.03 | the_unmaker | but lunkheads round here hate doing things tekniallyt ez way |
| 18:28.07 | the_unmaker | fear change and blame |
| 18:28.17 | jasonb | Also 5) whether it helps to have independent start | stop | restart control over each webapp, 6) whether it helps to have the ability to configure *hard* memory limits for each webapp. |
| 18:28.43 | the_unmaker | two apps requite 1024 adn 1280m ram repsectivly |
| 18:28.58 | the_unmaker | I always wonder what happen if give 6g ram to 64 it jvm |
| 18:29.06 | the_unmaker | will be super happy or garbage unhappy |
| 18:29.19 | cheeser | /2/2 |
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| 18:30.49 | the_unmaker | someone once said garbage collection can hurt you with that much ram |
| 18:30.52 | the_unmaker | hm |
| 18:34.27 | jasonb | the_unmaker: It's more area to pick up garbage in.. so it's true that it should take longer to complete a sweep. And, with some garbage collector algorithms, it takes significantly longer. But, so far, I haven't run into that situation. |
| 18:34.53 | eghm | i have a client uses memory settings like that |
| 18:35.12 | eghm | they tune to avoid full GCs |
| 18:36.03 | jasonb | Yeah, there are different ways of tuning for what you're doing... 1) select the right GC alg for what you want it to do, 2) select sub-settings of that gc alg.. |
| 18:42.12 | the_unmaker | ah, cool |
| 18:42.29 | the_unmaker | is virtual hosting on tomcat hard? |
| 18:42.40 | the_unmaker | docs on apache.org are kinda skimpy |
| 18:42.52 | the_unmaker | maybe I should read servlet spec and learn java but I ma unix admin |
| 18:43.08 | the_unmaker | seems tomcat cna handle multiple sites ok |
| 18:45.23 | the_unmaker | independant start stop is a good one to wprry about tho |
| 18:45.31 | the_unmaker | that might be critical in prod |
| 18:45.43 | the_unmaker | I guess unless I can get them to use the manager gui app |
| 18:45.54 | the_unmaker | but that would make too much sense and be too ez |
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| 18:55.46 | the_unmaker | ah the comedy |
| 18:56.10 | the_unmaker | why do certain java apps need 1280m ram in a tomcat? |
| 18:56.14 | the_unmaker | xml generation? |
| 18:56.20 | the_unmaker | weird |
| 19:12.23 | jasonb | the_unmaker: By independent start | stop | restart, I mean at the JVM level. You can, of course, use the manager webapp and start | stop | restart the webapp itself, but that leaves all of Tomcat running. If, to fix 1 webapp, you needed to restart Tomcat (often a real situation) and if all of your webapps are running in that same Tomcat JVM, then to fix the 1 webapp you'd need to interrupt service for all of them. |
| 19:14.02 | jasonb | the_unmaker: About why one webapp would need more RAM than others.. well, some desktop applications require more RAM than, say, a shell. Every program has different requirements, and some are pretty needy. |
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| 19:29.23 | JPrince88 | I chowned all of my webapps to another user, off of whatever they were before, including ROOT by accident. The other apps still work, but I can no longer access the command center or what have you. I try chowning them to root but that doesn't seem to work |
| 19:29.41 | JPrince88 | also running a CentOS 5.5 |
| 19:29.43 | JPrince88 | with tomcat 6.0.28 |
| 19:29.48 | JPrince88 | JDK 1.5 |
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| 20:10.50 | the_unmaker | you p0wned yerself |
| 20:11.15 | the_unmaker | wat user tomcat run as? |
| 20:11.53 | eghm | the_unmaker: also, javac has (or at least had) a known memory leak, so if you are compiling jsps (i.e. jsps are not precompiled) more memory is gonna keep you running longer without having to bounce the jvm |
| 20:13.14 | the_unmaker | mmmmmm |
| 20:13.41 | the_unmaker | doh! |
| 20:13.46 | eghm | from my expierence it is best to precompile for prod |
| 20:13.51 | the_unmaker | ok |
| 20:14.15 | eghm | any, that way if there are bad jsps that won't compile you will know about it without it blowing up |
| 20:14.32 | the_unmaker | :) |
| 20:16.26 | eghm | older versions of windows suffer from memory fragmentation as well, so ago, more memeory lets your run for longer |
| 20:17.37 | the_unmaker | doh |
| 20:17.49 | the_unmaker | ok so latest sdk 1.6 |
| 20:17.52 | the_unmaker | latest tomcat 6 |
| 20:17.56 | the_unmaker | latest unix |
| 20:18.00 | eghm | the application of which i speak of, is a bit of a big ball of mud though. If it was broken up a bit, the heap wouldn't have to be so large, we would have more of them |
| 20:18.07 | the_unmaker | :) |
| 20:18.17 | the_unmaker | our apps are hate crimes of code |
| 20:18.24 | the_unmaker | they dump xml |
| 20:18.26 | the_unmaker | read em back |
| 20:18.32 | the_unmaker | for no reason since we have a database |
| 20:18.38 | the_unmaker | its pretty horrendous |
| 20:18.48 | the_unmaker | but fire or quit all guys who made it |
| 20:18.48 | eghm | to temp files? |
| 20:18.49 | the_unmaker | lol |
| 20:18.52 | the_unmaker | xml |
| 20:19.03 | the_unmaker | its high hilarity |
| 20:19.15 | the_unmaker | but nothign as bad as corporate who pay millions for weblogic |
| 20:19.19 | the_unmaker | now thats hateful |
| 20:19.36 | eghm | well.. there could be some extreme reasons for a bit of that, huge files miht be better to cache than make the network call |
| 20:19.41 | the_unmaker | we have tons fo old dell 1850 with 4xxeon 3.0 and 4 g ram |
| 20:19.46 | the_unmaker | they say nowhere near enuf |
| 20:19.53 | the_unmaker | I am like wtf |
| 20:20.21 | eghm | ya, i rather avoid weblogic when i can |
| 20:20.25 | the_unmaker | one developer told me a tomcat with more than 25m ram allocated means you are doing it wrong [tm] |
| 20:20.31 | the_unmaker | 256m ram |
| 20:20.31 | the_unmaker | lol |
| 20:20.40 | the_unmaker | 25m would be one good programmer1 |
| 20:20.42 | the_unmaker | !! |
| 20:21.14 | eghm | lol, i think there is something to that, but I don't see it much |
| 20:24.29 | eghm | if anyone has upgraded from 5.5 to 6.0 and would be able to talk about some of the details of 2.4 vs 2.5 on 6.0 and failing back to 5.5 I'd be grateful. |
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| 20:44.24 | JPrince88 | sorry guys didn't get your messages |
| 20:44.28 | JPrince88 | this thing doesn't beep |
| 20:44.31 | JPrince88 | it's serverwide now |
| 20:44.33 | JPrince88 | everything is broken |
| 20:44.36 | JPrince88 | tried a system restore broke it all |
| 20:44.38 | JPrince88 | I'm screwed |
| 20:47.41 | lestat | huhu |
| 20:47.46 | lestat | :\ |
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| 20:57.19 | the_unmaker | lol |
| 20:57.27 | the_unmaker | what happened? |
| 20:57.29 | the_unmaker | CHAOS |
| 20:57.55 | JPrince88 | i have no idea |
| 20:57.59 | JPrince88 | I'm just so f*cked |
| 20:58.02 | JPrince88 | No reason |
| 20:58.03 | JPrince88 | first tomcat |
| 20:58.06 | JPrince88 | I restore from back up image |
| 20:58.08 | JPrince88 | bam nothing works |
| 20:58.12 | JPrince88 | make a new cloud instance from back up |
| 20:58.14 | JPrince88 | still nothing |
| 20:58.16 | JPrince88 | double reboot, nothing |
| 20:58.19 | JPrince88 | Jesus christ |
| 20:58.35 | JPrince88 | I spent 14 hours making that server, doing it again...is going to be hell. I will ration 3 hours to figure it out, and if I can't, I start over from scratch. |
| 20:59.10 | the_unmaker | well |
| 20:59.36 | the_unmaker | 1 redo box with unix 2 drop new tomcat 3 get code from cvs 4 drop code n start with any jvm parameters aded to startup.sh |
| 20:59.39 | the_unmaker | back in business |
| 20:59.52 | the_unmaker | :) |
| 21:01.57 | JPrince88 | yeah |
| 21:01.58 | JPrince88 | 14 hours |
| 21:02.01 | JPrince88 | have to install apache |
| 21:02.02 | JPrince88 | vsftpd |
| 21:02.05 | JPrince88 | have to set up mod jk |
| 21:02.08 | JPrince88 | have to install jdk and jre |
| 21:02.30 | JPrince88 | Took me so long to gather all the articles and figure out how to do that |
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| 21:06.33 | cheeser | use mod_proxy_ajp. mod_jk is a dead end. |
| 21:15.11 | the_unmaker | sdk 1.6 |
| 21:15.17 | the_unmaker | tomcat drop from apache |
| 21:15.22 | the_unmaker | set java home |
| 21:15.24 | the_unmaker | done |
| 21:15.27 | the_unmaker | drop code |
| 21:17.36 | the_unmaker | apache easy |
| 21:17.38 | the_unmaker | :) |
| 21:17.42 | the_unmaker | 1 hour max |
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| 21:52.11 | JPrince88 | what user group should tomcat webapps belong to? |
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| 22:48.23 | republican_devil | typically "tomcat" |
| 22:48.25 | republican_devil | :) |
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| 23:55.23 | JPrince88 | yeah I don't have one |