IRC log for #tomcat on 20091218

00:20.43karstensragedo you guys typically have the org.apache.catalina.valves.AccessLogValve in your Host/Engine of server.xml?
00:22.52karstensragei had to remove mine and put the valve in the context.xml of my webapp(s)
00:23.06karstensragei set up a calendaring server (Cosmo)
00:23.34karstensrageand the client for thunderbird (Lightning) makes 1000's of requests and the access log becomes enormous
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06:50.34jarray52I'm using tomcat6 on Ubuntu 9.04. I configured the server.xml file replacing defaultHost with an ip address(line 104) and Host name with an ip address(line 130). After restarting tomcat6 and running nmap, I find that the localhost ip address 127.0.0.1 has port 8080 open. The ip address that was specified also has port 8080 open. I would like to prevent 8080 from being opened on localhost. How do I ensure that only the specified ip addres
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08:20.55sampo_tikehi. how can i invalidate a jdbc connection which has been configured in the "standard" way in tomcat 6.0.20? (standard being a dbcp pool via context.xml for the server)
08:21.53deeboinvalidate?
08:22.05sampo_tikenot make it return to the pool, but to actually close the underlying connection
08:22.17deebowhy would you want to do that
08:22.27sampo_tikei ran into a bug in the driver i'm using
08:22.57sampo_tikei can sidestep the issue in this very specialized case by just closing the connection and taking the performance impact of having to take another connection to the database
08:23.39sampo_tikethe bug only affects a specialized way to insert rows fast. it's so efficient, that its benefit far outweighs the cost of opening a new database connection
08:23.51deebofix the bug in the driver, dont write something to fix it in this special case
08:24.00sampo_tikecan't fix it. the driver is closed source
08:24.07deebothen you report it and wait
08:24.11sampo_tikei will naturally push the maker to fix it
08:24.21sampo_tikebut in the meanwhile, i'd rather plug this
08:24.24deeboor implement something that can be seamlessly removed
08:24.29deebolike wrap the driver for the special case
08:24.36sampo_tikebecause i _ned_ to be able to use the specialized insert scheme. it improves speed 100x
08:25.20sampo_tikeDBCP has this feature: http://commons.apache.org/dbcp/apidocs/org/apache/commons/dbcp/PoolingDriver.html
08:25.28sampo_tikeyou can invalidate a connection
08:25.47sampo_tikebut the question is, how can I access the pooling driver which is responsible for the connection I'm holding
08:26.01sampo_tikethe database metadata tells the driver of the underlying connection
08:26.30sampo_tikeand DriverManager isn't giving me an object to PoolingDriver. it might of course very well be that the poolingdriver isn't in use
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09:40.08gantuFedora 12,Tomcat 6.0,openjdk 1.6
09:41.07gantuhaving trouble with javaDB, getting following errors http://pastebin.com/m2a65ed6b
09:42.09gantuI put derby.jar inside Tomcat_installation_directory/lib/
09:42.25gantubut i get same error
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16:03.57goudkovis there a way to make 6.0.20 reload a web app without losing any requests? basically to make sure it finishes serving existing requests and stalls (but not drops) the new incoming onces, and then once the app is reloaded processes them.
16:18.17karstensrageare you making that up or actually experiencing lost requests?
16:19.57goudkovgetting 404s
16:20.11goudkovonce the reload is complete everything is back to normal
16:20.43karstensragewell
16:21.02karstensrageits not taking in new requests its able to reload the webapp
16:21.37karstensragebut thats not an indication that existing requests are not finished before it reloads
16:22.00karstensragei dont think there is anythin you can do at the single tomcat instance level
16:22.18goudkovi can't replicate that, but people complain about errors (aside from 404) when i reload the app
16:22.29karstensrageif you went up a level to a load balancer or some round robin DNS or something
16:22.41goudkovit would be nice for the connector to simple accept and pool the connections until the reload is complete
16:22.46goudkovwith a limit of course.
16:23.00karstensragehmm
16:23.12karstensragei would have to think about whether that would be 'nice'
16:23.13goudkovso that there aren't 404s or "resource not ready"
16:23.25goudkovwell, an option would be good. doesn't have to be on by default.
16:23.41karstensragewhy are you reloading the app so much?
16:23.45goudkovyep
16:23.56goudkovwell, i'm still developing it
16:23.59goudkovand fixing bugs
16:24.04karstensrageyeah
16:24.06goudkovso i need a way to update it while it's running
16:24.10karstensragesure
16:24.27karstensrageso tell them "i'm still developing it and fixing bugs"
16:24.41goudkovthey know it :)
16:24.50karstensragei wouldnt worry about it
16:25.00karstensrageyou will eventually not be in this situation
16:25.01goudkovbut the problem is i encouraged them to contact me about any errors they encounter
16:25.03karstensragehave faith
16:25.12karstensrage:)
16:25.16goudkovand now, every time i reload it, i get people telling them about the errors they encountered
16:25.23karstensrageyeah, filter those
16:25.26goudkov....99% of which are due to the reload
16:25.38goudkovand worse, they don't contact me right away.
16:26.00karstensrageis it 1 single tomcat instance?
16:26.01goudkovso when someone says that something was broken earlier today, i have no way of knowing if it was because of a reload or a real problem with my app
16:26.03goudkovyep
16:26.06goudkovsince instance
16:26.13karstensragewell you have a way
16:26.24goudkovhow?
16:26.25karstensragecheck localhost_access_log and correlate the problem with a 404
16:26.49karstensrageand if its temporally within the reload time, you know its a reload issue
16:26.59goudkovyep, but i don't have a logbook of my reloads :)
16:27.11goudkovanyway, it would be good to have a way of pooling the connections
16:27.11karstensrageummm
16:27.23karstensragewell you could write that as a little proxy
16:27.25goudkovbut then i guess they would need to be throttled once the app is back on line.
16:27.35karstensragebut it will be a complete waste of your time, I assure you
16:27.56goudkovmaybe
16:28.05karstensragenot maybe
16:29.37karstensrageive written decorator patterned proxys before.. they are relatively trivial and sort of interesting
16:29.51karstensragebut you have to consider that you are in development and eventually you wont be
16:30.03goudkovi'll always be developing it
16:30.06karstensrageand weigh that against the work involved
16:30.09goudkovnew features
16:30.12goudkovit's not a shipped product
16:30.36karstensrageok be creative, is this a 9-5 type service?
16:30.42karstensrageupdate it at 6
16:30.49goudkovit's a message board.
16:30.55goudkovso no, it's not 9-5
16:31.36karstensragehmmm
16:31.42karstensragebrb, ill think on it a sec
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17:35.11MikeD-is there a way to reload content rather than stop/start tomcat ?
17:35.40MikeD-changes to the webapp forcing a restart of tomcat is a slow process
17:37.02MikeD-tomcat: 5.5.26 java: 1.5 ubuntu 9
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19:06.51karstensrageMikeD-, you have hot deploy turned on for the Host?
19:07.40karstensrageis TC6 but probably applies to 5 as well
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19:19.17claymccoyOs X 10.6.2, Java 1.6.0_17, tomcat 6.0.18.  Trying to embed tomcat based on example here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/640022/howto-embed-tomcat-6.  Almost there but I get an exception when browsing to the site. SEVERE: Exception Processing ErrorPage[errorCode=404, location=/error.jsp]  Probably something I didn't configure right.  Trying to adapt my Jetty config to Toimcat at the last minute because Jetty wasn't reliable.
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19:21.28claymccoyfull stacktrace is here: http://gist.github.com/259694
19:29.30jasonbResearch Report Confirms Shift to Apache Tomcat
19:29.30jasonbhttp://blogs.mulesoft.org/research-report-confirms-shift-to-apache-tomcat/
19:30.19egesteclaymccoy: is that the entire error output?
19:30.20claymccoyI found this: http://forums.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=5391266  and removed the error pages from the web.xml.  Shouldn't have had to do this I don't think, I'll need to put those back and have it work. After removing this I get no errors, but still have 404s when going to the site.
19:30.25claymccoyyes
19:30.34claymccoyyes, entire error output to console
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19:41.26jarray52Tomcat6, Java 1.6.0_16, Ubuntu 9.04. I can setup Tomcat over http on port 8080. However, I cannot setup tomcat over https on port 8443. I'd like to know if there is a problem with my connector syntax.  <Connector port="8443" protocol="HTTP/1.1" address="127.0.0.1" minSpareThreads="5"      maxSpareThreads="75"
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19:43.16karstensragekeyStoreType?
19:43.49karstensragei dont have an address attribute either
19:44.06jarray52karstensrage: I don't know how to answer that, which suggests that's part of the problem.
19:44.15claymccoybasically I just get 404's on my jsps, the above error about the error.jsp is because it can't find it either.  There is no error, just 404s.  All I have for documentation is a couple of half baked examples like I linked to above, and the sparse api docs.  Can someone reference a better source?
19:44.17jarray52address attribute?
19:44.28karstensrageaddress="127.0.0.1"
19:44.46jarray52that's the local loopback address
19:44.53karstensragehow did you create /home/littlebomb/.keystore
19:44.55karstensragei know that
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19:45.08jarray52karstensrage: using keytool
19:45.09karstensragei dont have the attribute in my Connector.. im just telling you that
19:45.19karstensrageok keyStoreType is "JKS"
19:45.48jarray52Java Keystore, yes.
19:47.43jarray52karstensrage: The connector does not work even without the address attribute. The address attribute is not necessary, but using that attribute will prevent listening ports from being opened on every single ip address. For regular http over port 8080 I can choose to either add or omit the address attribute.
19:48.24karstensrageevery single ip address?
19:48.37jarray52karstensrage: when I scan all the IP addresses with nmap, I only see the port open on the specified ip address
19:49.01jarray52karstensrage: omitting the ip address opens ports on all inet4 addresses.
19:49.50jarray52karstensrage: every ip address assigned to the computer as seen in ifconfig.
19:50.26karstensrageok i wasnt aware that was a problem
19:51.17jarray52karstensrage: It isn't a problem. Just depends on one's preferences I guess. There isn't much harm in having the process listen on multiple sockets with the same port number.
19:51.44jarray52karstensrage: For trouble shooting purposes, I can omit the address attribute.
19:52.28jarray52Could you post your connector using ssh (minus personal information)?
19:52.38karstensrageoh and are you hitting 8443?
19:52.42karstensragesure one sec
19:53.13jarray52yes. And, nmap shows that port 8443 is not opened.
19:57.03karstensragehttp://pastebin.com/d44aae7b1
19:57.09karstensrageNOT opened?
19:57.34karstensrageheres mine
19:57.35karstensragetcp4       0      0  *.8443                 *.*                    LISTEN
19:57.52karstensragefrom netstat -an
20:02.38jarray52karstensrage: netstat -an does not show an open port.
20:03.00karstensragewell
20:03.09karstensragewhat does your 8080 connector look like?
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20:03.40jarray52That works
20:03.58jarray52nmap 127.0.0.1 shows that port 8080 is opened.
20:04.00karstensrageok
20:04.03karstensragehmm
20:04.44jarray52What does your connector look like?
20:04.50jarray52for ssh
20:04.53karstensragesame thing no address attribute
20:04.59karstensragefor ssh?
20:05.02karstensrageoh
20:05.12karstensragehttp://pastebin.com/d44aae7b1
20:05.17karstensrageoh wait
20:05.20karstensragei already pasted that
20:05.26karstensragenot sure what youre askign
20:06.41jarray52karstensrage: My apologies. I didn't see the earlier paste
20:07.42jarray52Your connector looks quite different from mine.
20:08.17jarray52is the executor attribute necessary? What is the truststoreFile?
20:09.54karstensragewell im using client auth in that example
20:10.09karstensragethe executor is just the standard tomcat thread pool for handling connections
20:11.19jarray52karstensrage: Thanks.
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20:28.35claymccoyGetting 404's on embedded Jetty setup.  Full details are here: http://gist.github.com/259737  Please help.
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20:39.29jasonbclaymccoy: Maybe ask that in #jetty ..  this is #tomcat.
20:39.52claymccoyF#@K
20:40.00claymccoyI meant Tomcat of course
20:40.21claymccoyGetting 404's on embedded TOMCAT  setup.  Full details are here: http://gist.github.com/259737  Please help.
20:41.08claymccoyJust switched from Jetty because it was unreliable, and hiding it's errors.  Very happy with Tomcat so far, at least I can see errors when things go wrong, sometimes.
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20:45.33jasonbclaymccoy: I'd suggest you set -Djava.util.logging.config.file="$CATALINA_BASE/conf/logging.properties", and then make sure you really have logging.properties readable at that path, then you can more carefully configure logging.
20:48.11jasonbYou should also make sure to set the catalina.home and catalina.base system properties.
20:48.18jasonb(before starting up)
20:49.37jasonbAlso, you should call your instance variable for your Embedded instance "embedded", and not "container".
20:52.19claymccoycontainer was changed to embedded, this is what you end up with when the best documentation is a bad example on stack overflow. :)
20:52.38claymccoyI set catalina home in the program, didn't see base set in the examples
20:52.44claymccoynot sure what the distinction is
20:53.50claymccoyI can't set the system properties for this, can I not do this all programatically?
20:54.28claymccoyIf my logging is insuffient, I'd like to configure it correctly.  But can't do it with system properties
21:08.52claymccoyIt is ashame that a basic configuration error is going to keep me from using embedded tomcat just because there is no decent documentation available.  Can someone tell me what the directories are that embedded.createHost and embedded.createContext need?  I'm giving embedded.createHost the parent location the actual war, and embedded.createContext the parent location of WEB-INF/web.xml.  Something here must be what I have wrong.
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21:09.49claymccoymy updates script to start it is here http://gist.github.com/259737
21:15.07claymccoyTrying to adapt my Jetty config.  Jetty only needs the directory that is the parent location of WEB-INF/web.xml.  Can't find any details about what file paths Embedded.createContext and Embedded.createHost actually need.
21:15.34claymccoySurely I don't have to explode my jar
21:15.37claymccoywar
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21:26.08claymccoyEmbedded.createHost(...) requires an appBase - Absolute pathname to the application base directory for this virtual host.  What does that mean?
21:41.50claymccoydo I need a context.xml when using embedded Tomcat?
21:42.18claymccoynot wure what my appBase is.  I've got a standard Maven layout with a Web module
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22:32.25claymccoyWhat is the point of CATALINA_HOME with an embedded Tomcat.  I don't have tomcat installed, it is only in my Maven pom.
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22:46.00claymccoyHere a guy in the comments shows his emedded startup code, http://raibledesigns.com/rd/entry/jetty_6_x_versus_tomcat  He says"The bit about the default web.xml is to get the standard behaviors you'd expect from Tomcat, like processing JSPs. "  Why did he need to use StandardContext, and redefine the web.xml?  WTF is he talkign about?
22:46.29claymccoyIsn't there any decent documentation about embedding Tomcat?
22:59.29claymccoydo I need a server.xml for embedded Tomcat?
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23:05.57noahanybody know how to get apache ivy to not make a http request for every jar if they are already there on disk? or can anybody suggest a better channel to ask in?
23:06.30karstensragelmgtfy
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23:09.32noahi googled w/o success but maybe you have the magic touch
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23:12.13karstensrageive actually never heard of ivy but it sounds really cool
23:12.54noahi thought so until i tried to get it to do what i wanted
23:12.59noahalmost made me want to go back to maven
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23:13.53karstensragei hate maven
23:14.20karstensrageway too complex for even the most complex things Ive ever worked on
23:14.36noahagreed
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23:16.12karstensragedoes this come close to describing your problem?
23:16.13karstensragehttp://old.nabble.com/Ivy-cache-TTL-not-working-ts24034692.html#a24034692
23:17.10karstensrageand this
23:17.11karstensragehttps://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IVY-1012
23:18.10noahhmm maybe let me see
23:23.53noahi'm not even clear on what this ttl is
23:24.09noahbut it doesn't seem to be doing anything.. and i've got ivy 2.1.0 which should have that bug fixed
23:25.46karstensrageit seems like there is a mail forum you could try
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