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| 00:39.18 | dragon | I asked a question about 2 hours ago but couldn't stay for an answer. |
| 00:39.40 | dragon | Why should I use mod_proxy_ajp instead of mod_jk? |
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| 03:36.19 | imMute | could someone suggest a book for learning how to develop apps for Tomcat? ie, they assume that you know how to program Java fairly well. I'm porting an application from mod_perl to Tomcat, and I'm getting stuck on a few things. |
| 03:39.04 | kjkoster5489 | imMute: try the JSP in action books. |
| 03:42.43 | imMute | kjkoster5489: more details? google isn't really showing anything related to books |
| 03:43.11 | kjkoster5489 | It was a long time ago I last picked up a JSP book. Check Amazon. |
| 03:43.32 | kjkoster5489 | Any basic JSP book will get you started, Java you also need obviously. |
| 03:44.22 | kjkoster5489 | Go for better quality books, rather than newer ones. |
| 03:44.22 | kjkoster5489 | Nothing dramatic changed in JSP in the past few years. |
| 03:44.27 | kjkoster5489 | If you have a specific question, post here. |
| 03:45.17 | imMute | just trying to get my head wrapped around JSP. I got servlets, since those are very similar to mod_perl's handler |
| 03:46.05 | imMute | and everything I've read about JSP seems to assume you know how to write JSP pages |
| 03:46.15 | imMute | hell, I *still* dont' know what a "bean" is |
| 03:47.44 | imMute | about the only thing I miss from the mod_perl framework is Template::Toolkit, but not having that and having online debuggers and deployment makes development soooo much easier |
| 03:48.18 | kjkoster5489 | Forget about beans. |
| 03:48.22 | kjkoster5489 | Just use Java. |
| 03:48.43 | kjkoster5489 | Beans were fashionable a while back. |
| 03:49.20 | kjkoster5489 | You can hang Tomcat into Eclipse using a plugin, which allows breakpoints and debugging. |
| 03:49.25 | imMute | been avoiding them so far. but all I have now is some fancy INCLUDEing. how do I get at java sclasses from JSP? |
| 03:49.39 | imMute | (I use netbeans, so I already have that ;) |
| 03:49.42 | kjkoster5489 | import them. |
| 03:50.20 | kjkoster5489 | Think of JSP as HTML with a few bits of Java that execute server-side. |
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| 03:50.52 | imMute | right, which is what TT was. but with that, I had to instantiate objects at the top of the document for use farther down |
| 03:51.14 | kjkoster5489 | Yes. |
| 03:51.21 | kjkoster5489 | Is that an issue? |
| 03:51.43 | imMute | wait, so I just use <% CODE %> to insert java into the page? |
| 03:52.15 | kjkoster5489 | Yes. |
| 03:52.26 | kjkoster5489 | Is that bad? |
| 03:53.02 | imMute | O.o THAT will take some getting used to. TT had a little plugin thing that made it really easy to separate the code and HTML. one team could code the app, and you could hand off HTML development to people who never coded intheir life. |
| 03:53.10 | imMute | its not bad, I'm just not used to doing it thatway |
| 03:53.34 | kjkoster5489 | Well, for small, php-like projects that is how we work. |
| 03:53.34 | imMute | which is why it wasn't immediately obvious |
| 03:53.56 | kjkoster5489 | For bigger stuff, we write everything as Java libraries and use that in servlets and JSP's. |
| 03:54.02 | kjkoster5489 | So you get the separation back. |
| 03:54.26 | kjkoster5489 | I am a big fan of static HTML+JavaScript and then have servlets that poop out JSON. |
| 03:54.26 | kjkoster5489 | \ |
| 03:54.34 | imMute | right. and for this app, I don't really care. |
| 03:54.47 | imMute | heh, I bet you would love the framework that the guys over at Facebook developed then |
| 03:54.49 | kjkoster5489 | Then use whatever strikes your fancy. |
| 03:55.15 | imMute | kay, few more questions |
| 03:55.32 | kjkoster5489 | I hate frameworks. usually. They are big and drag in lots of complexity. But I seem to be the only Java guy thinking that. |
| 03:55.34 | kjkoster5489 | Sure. |
| 03:55.42 | imMute | 1) is there a place I can stick files that I'll want to %@include>, but not be accessible on their own? |
| 03:56.11 | kjkoster5489 | WEB-INF |
| 03:56.43 | imMute | 2) how do I print out the result of some java expression to the JSP page? |
| 03:56.53 | imMute | ie, <% echo 2+2 %> |
| 03:56.59 | kjkoster5489 | <%= new Date() %> |
| 03:57.03 | kjkoster5489 | Note the =. |
| 03:57.23 | imMute | that means the expression should return a String? |
| 03:57.35 | kjkoster5489 | There are plenty of JSP tutorials and Tomcat comes with some nice sample apps. |
| 03:58.03 | imMute | right, and I'm reading them. I'm done asking simple questions now :) |
| 03:58.08 | kjkoster5489 | No, an object. Tomcat will perform a toString() on it (or just make it a String in the case of primitives). |
| 03:58.15 | imMute | ah. |
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| 05:57.18 | deebo | hmm sorcery |
| 05:57.30 | deebo | i see "inMute" hasnt left the channel but i cant see him in the channel |
| 05:57.49 | deebo | thats because its iM not iN |
| 05:57.50 | deebo | ... |
| 05:58.05 | deebo | imMute: you might want to consider some simple frameworks, they really can make your life easier |
| 05:58.12 | deebo | plain servlets and jsp can get tedious |
| 05:58.29 | deebo | i personally like the stripes framework for fast development |
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| 11:50.56 | whitehat1 | hello group. I'm running F11 with all current updates. using tomcat6. i'm receiving SEVERE: Catalina.stop: java.net.ConnectException: Connection refused error in log files. I've shut down http while I bring up tomcat6. i've been googling for a while but i'm still at a loss. ideas? thank you. |
| 11:54.43 | kjkoster5489 | Please pastebin the full exception. |
| 11:55.40 | whitehat1 | kjkoster5489: thank you. i should have thought of that. i'm just starting my day. the coffee hasn't kicked in yet. |
| 11:56.29 | whitehat1 | kjkoster5489: linux box is still booting... |
| 11:57.33 | kjkoster5489 | ssd's are nice to cut the boot time. ;) |
| 11:57.59 | whitehat1 | kjkoster5489: yes. and a machine which is not 9 years old! |
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| 12:03.22 | whitehat1 | kjkoster5489: i'm still working on it....waiting for browser to start.... |
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| 12:16.24 | whitehat1 | kjkoster5489: http://fpaste.org/YISk/ |
| 12:28.20 | whitehat1 | ideas? |
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| 12:34.35 | vreixo | Hi! |
| 12:34.51 | vreixo | could somebody help me with a small doubt? |
| 12:35.27 | vreixo | how can I disable the usage of URL rewriting to track sessions, and force to _always_ use cookies instead? |
| 12:35.32 | vreixo | thanks in advance! |
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| 12:46.57 | mturk | vreixo: Not by Servlet spec, you cannot do that. However you can write a Filter, eg: http://randomcoder.com/articles/jsessionid-considered-harmful |
| 12:47.46 | vreixo | mturk: thanks |
| 12:48.04 | vreixo | do the app still work ok? I mean, with a cookie-enabled browser |
| 12:50.17 | mturk | vreixo: Sure. Like the article says. Browsers that doesn't support cookies will not receive sessionid. Now what to do with them is your problem :) |
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| 12:53.46 | vreixo | mturk: ok, thank you very much! |
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| 13:10.54 | kjkoster5489 | whitehat1: sorry meeting |
| 13:14.44 | kjkoster5489 | whitehat1: that is a shutdown error. *caused* by shutdown, not the explanation of the shutfdown. |
| 13:14.52 | whitehat1 | kjkoster5489: did a bit more searching. i'm remove TC6 along with all config file and i'm going to reinstall TC6. waiting for packagemanager to stop so i can run yum remove |
| 13:15.13 | whitehat1 | kjkoster5489: that error occurs when i start tc6 |
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| 13:17.06 | kjkoster5489 | Then reinstall the real one, not the Debian package. |
| 13:17.11 | kjkoster5489 | See also channel topic. |
| 13:17.43 | whitehat1 | kjkoster5489: i'm already using FC11 rpms for tc6. there are some tc5 rpms for use with OO still floating around |
| 13:19.44 | kjkoster5489 | Suit yourself. It's just that I have no idea what quirks are in that package, so I may not be able to help. |
| 13:20.53 | whitehat1 | kjkoster5489: neither do i. |
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| 13:25.17 | fr_1 | hello |
| 13:26.19 | fr_1 | i want to setup a loadbalanced tomcat cluster and am thinking about if i should put the tomcat directories on a shared filesystem and fire up the same instance on each server - will this work? |
| 13:28.03 | fr_1 | tomcat version 6.0.20, java 1.6 on linux x86/64 |
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| 13:40.26 | acuster | hey all, I'm trying to setup a Realm and am confused as to where to add the <Context> info. Canditates so far are: |
| 13:40.52 | acuster | inside the installation's conf/server.xml |
| 13:41.04 | acuster | inside the installations conf/context.xml |
| 13:41.18 | acuster | inside the war's META-INF/context.xml |
| 13:41.38 | acuster | inside the war's conf/context.xml |
| 13:42.18 | acuster | having tried all, and failed, I could use a pointer to some docs if anyone has one. |
| 13:42.22 | acuster | thanks in advance. |
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| 15:17.23 | acuster | what's the minimal config for a war such that tomcat should block access to a resource? Is adding a <security-contraint> to the web.xml enough? |
| 15:18.02 | acuster | (forget logging in for now, I just want to get tomcat to *block* access) |
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| 15:20.50 | acuster | ouch. Found my slipup |
| 15:21.00 | acuster | what a waste of four hours |
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| 16:13.24 | MmikeNekud | I'm trying to create .WAR file for my webapp. Is there a way to include context.xml file for the application (with the db-connection properties and stuff) along with configurations files, or those need to be copied to %tomcat%/conf/Catalina/... directories manualy? |
| 16:14.25 | MmikeNekud | Tomcat 6.0.24, java 1.6.0, linux 2.6.28 |
| 16:15.41 | MmikeNekud | Correction: tomcat is version 6.0.20, of course |
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| 17:30.03 | jasonb | Here's a nice preview of the features of Tomcat 7 by Mark Thomas: |
| 17:30.04 | jasonb | http://java.dzone.com/articles/mark-thomas-apache-tomcat-7 |
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| 19:33.26 | lightharut | I was working with struts2(tomcat 6.0) and all was okay, but after migration to tomcat 5.5 my OGNL expressions(${val}) are not working. Administrator says he can't install tomcat 6.0 on server. Please I need your help! |
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| 19:39.22 | jasonb | lightharut: It sounds like you actually need the help of the Struts 2 developers. |
| 19:39.40 | lightharut | yes I need it |
| 19:42.37 | lightharut | jasonb: but why this all is working on tomcat 6.0 (but under windows computer)? |
| 19:43.26 | jasonb | lightharut: If Tomcat 6 was *exactly* the same as Tomcat 5.5, then it would have been named Tomcat 5.5. |
| 19:44.15 | jasonb | lightharut: There are differences between versions of Tomcat, and apparently the Struts developers didn't make sure that your expression would work properly on both of these versions. |
| 19:44.15 | lightharut | jasonb:I get it, but what can I do to check what can be cause for that error? |
| 19:45.31 | jasonb | lightharut: You know what it does when it doesn't work (you haven't told us). You also have your log files. You should show all of that on the struts 2 mailing list when you ask them about it. |
| 19:47.21 | lightharut | jasonb: how can I send those files they are big for chat |
| 19:47.39 | jasonb | lightharut: You might be able to clip a few lines out. :) |
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| 19:49.07 | lightharut | the problem is that expressions like ${var} are not converter to the value and printed out like the same ${val}. |
| 19:49.56 | lightharut | jasonb: those expressions are comming from JSP files. |
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| 20:12.12 | Luyang | Hi all guys... If I put a custom database layer jar in $CATALINA_HOME/lib handling all my operations with retrieval and inserts (etc) to the database... Will this enable me to use Singleton to interact with the database efficiently? |
| 20:13.10 | Luyang | Say the first servlet which uses this class automatically logs in to the database and then all subsequent servlets which wanna use the database layer could just plug in the classes where the db session has already been established? |
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| 20:50.23 | lightharut | jasonb: SEVERE: Context initialization failed |
| 20:50.24 | lightharut | org.springframework.beans.factory.CannotLoadBeanClassException: Error loading class [de.medimops.db.gen.dao.ActivityLogEntryDAOImpl] for bean with name 'activityLogEntryDAO' defined in ServletContext resource [/WEB-INF/dataAccessContext.xml]: problem with class file or dependent class; nested exception is java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError: Bad version number in .class file |
| 20:51.51 | lightharut | I see that there is something wrong with the compilation version. But why it is so? |
| 20:52.08 | jasonb | That's probably a Java 1.5 versus Java 1.6 problem. |
| 20:52.22 | jasonb | For example, trying to run a Java 1.6 class on a 1.5 JVM. |
| 20:54.41 | lightharut | jasonb:But I have there java 1.6 installed |
| 20:56.00 | lightharut | jasonb:how can I see which version of jvm is running by tomcat |
| 20:56.31 | lightharut | jasonb:because if i write java -version, I got the information that it is 1.6 version installed. |
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| 21:22.58 | lightharut | jasonb:after running catalina.sh version got the information that version is really JVM 1.5, where can I find the information how to set JVM path in tomcat? |
| 21:25.13 | lightharut | jasonb:thanks in a front |
| 21:25.30 | lightharut | any idea? |
| 21:37.24 | lightharut | May you can help and know how to set JVM in tomcat :) |
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| 22:39.06 | largos | I'm trying to get tomcat 5.5.26-5 running on a fresh debian 5 install with java 1.6.0 -- I've installed via apt and set JAVA_HOME in /etc/defaults/tomcat5.5, and nothing unsual is showing up in the tomcat logs |
| 22:39.43 | largos | however, there is no content at http://localhost:8180 -- I can visit the page, and there is no error, but there is no content either (just a blank page) |
| 22:40.18 | largos | I'm at a loss for debugging this -- does anyone have suggestions? |
| 22:42.01 | largos | (I was expecting a "tomcat" page of some sort) |
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