| 00:00.52 | jasonb | I tried to run the alpha (or whatever) version of it and it just didn't work, but I'm sure they're not putting much effort into making sure these early builds run on everything. |
| 00:00.58 | jasonb | (yet) |
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| 08:54.15 | andel4 | is the web engine used by tomcat 5.5 is some kind of simplified apache httpd?! |
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| 09:10.07 | ghostknife | How can I increase the upload limit on a servlet? |
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| 10:07.28 | Julien | hello |
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| 10:09.39 | Julien | I am running tomcat 5.5.23 on windows XP SP2 with JRE 1.6.0 |
| 10:11.08 | Julien | I would like to know if there is a way to drop jar files in the WEB-INF/lib dir of a webapp and have it loaded by the classloader of this app without reloading the whole app |
| 10:11.21 | Julien | automatically |
| 10:12.13 | Julien | thanks in advance for your responses |
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| 10:29.48 | Julien | a precision : I'd like to have the jar loaded at runtime |
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| 11:24.47 | ruskie | TC: 6.0.14 java: 1.5.0_06 os: rhel4 issue: trying to run tomcat with jpda start and it starts but eclipse doesn't connect to it... and testing with telnet connects but then after disconnect kills the server |
| 11:48.36 | ruskie | ahh got it... |
| 11:48.39 | ruskie | tomcat needs to be launched with the host:port not just port |
| 11:48.42 | ruskie | tnx |
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| 14:08.54 | defenderBG | hi all... how can I ensure in tomcat that a certain java programm will be loaded when i start the server? |
| 14:09.04 | defenderBG | is there something like autoload.lst? |
| 14:09.37 | defenderBG | or should i use a "hack"... |
| 14:09.50 | defenderBG | make a cite that forces the programm to be loaded |
| 14:10.30 | defenderBG | and put in a script that after starting the service, links should connect to the page? |
| 14:10.40 | defenderBG | (and kill links a few seconds late) |
| 14:12.04 | MHSL | tomcat is for web application not a java application, however you can load either servlet/jsp when a context is started to spawn an external process |
| 14:12.36 | defenderBG | and... how do i do that? |
| 14:13.01 | MHSL | which one? |
| 14:13.04 | defenderBG | (i want to run a java app on the top of servlets/jsp and tomcat) |
| 14:13.17 | MHSL | read on how to spawn an external process in java |
| 14:13.23 | defenderBG | no... |
| 14:13.36 | defenderBG | how can i autospawn a proccess on tomcat? |
| 14:14.07 | MHSL | you cannot span an external process from tomcat, but you can start either a servlet/jsp when the context is started |
| 14:14.14 | MHSL | spawn* |
| 14:14.30 | MHSL | it's specified in web.xml |
| 14:15.02 | defenderBG | ok... lets say i have the servlet start, which has a line LoadExternal load = new ExternalProgram(); |
| 14:15.33 | defenderBG | can i force tomcat to run the start servlet each time tomcat is started? |
| 14:15.59 | MHSL | not at the time tomcat is started, but when the context is started/reloaded |
| 14:16.15 | defenderBG | so i have to make the links "hack" |
| 14:16.34 | MHSL | what link? |
| 14:16.46 | defenderBG | links... command line web browser.... |
| 14:16.55 | defenderBG | if i access the start servlet |
| 14:17.02 | defenderBG | it will load my program |
| 14:17.29 | MHSL | well that's up to you, but my point is, you cannot start a servlet/jsp together with tomcat, since you can only start a servlet/jsp on context start up |
| 14:17.32 | defenderBG | and if i autoload it after starting tomcat... it will do the trick |
| 14:19.42 | defenderBG | and... on the context start up... means when someone calls the page |
| 14:19.48 | MHSL | nop |
| 14:20.06 | MHSL | that means you dont really understand how the context is started etc |
| 14:20.37 | defenderBG | unfortunatly.. no :/ |
| 14:20.53 | defenderBG | can you pls help me help me? |
| 14:22.04 | MHSL | you may want to do some research first |
| 14:22.08 | MHSL | i've given you some hints |
| 14:22.14 | defenderBG | first... what exactly do you imply with context? |
| 14:22.35 | MHSL | you may want to read tomcat documentation on that first |
| 14:22.55 | defenderBG | can you be more specific on which part? |
| 14:23.17 | MHSL | refer to your previous question |
| 14:24.35 | defenderBG | ok...where should i start first? |
| 14:24.51 | defenderBG | i know that normaly it would be best if i start from the begining... |
| 14:24.54 | MHSL | start from what is a web app, how they're differentiated etc |
| 14:25.04 | MHSL | yes, start from beginning |
| 14:25.06 | defenderBG | but... unfortunatly i don't have the time... |
| 14:25.36 | MHSL | well you dont exactly have to start from beginning as long as you can see the big picture |
| 14:25.47 | MHSL | but you may want to read on how to set up, deploy a web app |
| 14:25.51 | MHSL | the continue from there |
| 14:25.57 | MHSL | then* |
| 14:26.22 | MHSL | if you dont event have the time to read those, then it's too bad |
| 14:26.23 | defenderBG | the big picture that i see... i have a server, that allows me to use only one istance of my auth server... |
| 14:26.32 | defenderBG | and no need of a real client... |
| 14:26.50 | MHSL | that's not what tomcat is |
| 14:26.55 | defenderBG | and i read the stuff about jsp, and building pages |
| 14:27.08 | defenderBG | did some hello world programs as well... |
| 14:27.22 | defenderBG | yes... but that is what i need tomcat for |
| 14:27.25 | defenderBG | and it can do it |
| 14:27.50 | defenderBG | i just need a way to be able to force a startup event |
| 14:27.54 | MHSL | let's put it this way, you may want to start reading about tomcat now since you said that you dont have time, so it's not that useful by not reading the docs |
| 14:28.22 | MHSL | so -> since |
| 14:28.46 | MHSL | and sorry, i'm going to bed now |
| 14:28.53 | defenderBG | :/ |
| 14:29.07 | defenderBG | well... reading is good |
| 14:29.12 | defenderBG | no talking about it |
| 14:29.29 | defenderBG | i have done 99% of what i need from tomcat |
| 14:29.45 | defenderBG | i need just to be able to force the server to start automaticly... |
| 14:30.00 | defenderBG | and just for that... i hoped not to be forced to read the hall documentation |
| 14:30.14 | defenderBG | but to be able to ask someone and get it working... |
| 14:57.25 | Julien | Does anybody have a clue on my dynamic jar loading problem ? |
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| 16:02.03 | wild_oscar | anyone knows how to set the login configuration file in JAAS with Jrockit? |
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| 16:12.33 | minerale | is there a javadoc page with the syntax for web.xml -> filter, url-pattern? |
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| 16:36.10 | minerale | I know that resin supports regex in <filter-mapping>, but i'm not sure whether it's in the jsp spec or if it's a resin only thing |
| 16:36.16 | minerale | ( http://www.caucho.com/resin-3.0/servlet/filter.xtp#filter-mapping ) |
| 16:52.18 | deebo | its in the servlet spec |
| 16:52.22 | deebo | same for servlets and filters |
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| 17:12.15 | markl__ | hello, i have a quick java optimization question; is there a guide for how to optimize the JAVA_OPTS? currently i'm setting -Xmx1024M -XX:MaxPermSize=512M |
| 17:12.26 | markl__ | on a 4G x86_64 box |
| 17:20.33 | markl__ | and another question - is there a particular reason why the tomcat init script doesn't behave like others as far as waiting for tomcat to die before the script exits? |
| 17:21.56 | markl__ | i would like to create a patch to have it work more like the mysql version |
| 17:22.05 | markl__ | but only if it will make it into the rpm |
| 17:22.35 | markl__ | i want to have puppet to tomcat restarts when certain config files change, but that depends on a bulletproof init script |
| 17:26.30 | BULLE_ | markl__: init scripts ? that sounds like some distribution specific thing realy, and not something that is generic for tomcat |
| 17:28.15 | markl__ | yeah |
| 17:28.27 | markl__ | the rpm's mentioned in the topic are the ones i am using |
| 17:28.35 | markl__ | guess i can just msg the maintainer |
| 17:29.45 | jasonb | I'm here, just pretty busy. |
| 17:30.27 | jasonb | Are you saying when you do "service tomcat stop", your init script is done running and Tomcat is still running? |
| 17:31.31 | markl__ | yes |
| 17:31.42 | jasonb | If so, what does the init script say? |
| 17:31.52 | wild_oscar | I've actually also been having similar issues |
| 17:31.59 | markl__ | it pretends that tomcat stopped |
| 17:32.01 | wild_oscar | since jrockit |
| 17:32.05 | jasonb | Also, what Linux distro and version? Which Java brand and version? |
| 17:32.14 | markl__ | rhel5, 1.5 jdk |
| 17:32.20 | wild_oscar | catalina.sh stop is behaving oddly |
| 17:32.23 | markl__ | tomcat 5.5.20 |
| 17:32.43 | jasonb | markl__: Which exact command are you using when you are doing this? |
| 17:32.44 | wild_oscar | oh, if it's sun's java it's not the same |
| 17:32.50 | jasonb | markl__: Cut and paste it in here. |
| 17:33.01 | jasonb | wild_oscar: Which Linux distro and version? |
| 17:33.13 | wild_oscar | ubuntu 7.10 |
| 17:33.29 | jasonb | wild_oscar: But you're not using my RPM on ubuntu, right? |
| 17:33.36 | wild_oscar | no |
| 17:33.47 | markl__ | [root@test02 /]# /etc/init.d/tomcat stop |
| 17:33.48 | markl__ | Stopping tomcat: [root@test02 /]# |
| 17:33.57 | markl__ | note that it never said OK or FAILED |
| 17:34.06 | wild_oscar | ah, markl__ is refering to your rpm |
| 17:34.32 | markl__ | jasonb: i can dig into it further here |
| 17:34.51 | markl__ | i mainly wasn't sure if it was supposd to wait or not |
| 17:35.04 | markl__ | so if it is a bug, i'll investigate more and let you know what i find |
| 17:35.42 | markl__ | the app really does go away |
| 17:36.07 | markl__ | but java stays around forever |
| 17:36.23 | jasonb | markl__: You should be running it like: service tomcat stop |
| 17:36.39 | markl__ | that is the same thing, but i'll try it |
| 17:36.54 | markl__ | ok that is a little different |
| 17:37.06 | jasonb | markl__: But, it should still work running it the way you were running it, I believe. But but: Tomcat 5.5.20 is old. It had some bugs. This particular thing hasn't changed much, and should really work though. |
| 17:37.24 | markl__ | is there a 5.5.23 rpm |
| 17:37.52 | markl__ | or is that still too old? |
| 17:38.07 | markl__ | fyi: |
| 17:38.10 | markl__ | [root@puffer02 /]# service tomcat stop |
| 17:38.10 | markl__ | Stopping tomcat: |
| 17:38.10 | markl__ | Waiting for processes to exit.. |
| 17:38.12 | markl__ | Waiting for processes to exit.. |
| 17:38.14 | jasonb | Not at this time. I've been meaning to make one.. but making one mainly means that I'd be helping people avoid the healthy step of upgrading to Tomcat 6.0. |
| 17:38.14 | markl__ | Sending the Tomcat processes a SIGTERM asking them to shut down gracefully.. |
| 17:38.17 | markl__ | Waiting for processes to exit.. [ OK ] |
| 17:38.25 | markl__ | yeah i've been trying to get the dev team to use 6 |
| 17:38.41 | markl__ | some time in the next couple of months we'll switch |
| 17:38.51 | markl__ | they are talking about jboss a lot |
| 17:40.45 | jasonb | Warn them against using it for me. |
| 17:41.08 | jasonb | Also tell them that our new Tomcat 6.0 book is out, and it's all the way up to date with Tomcat 6, and has lots of answers. |
| 17:43.18 | markl__ | i am kind of a n00b to java app servers, what don't you like about jboss (and what does it do as opposed to tomcat) |
| 17:43.28 | markl__ | sorry that may be a long answer :) |
| 17:43.29 | wild_oscar | jasonb: does the book talk about JAAS? |
| 17:44.07 | jasonb | wild_oscar: Very little. It says about setting up JAASRealm, so you might glean some more info by reading that section. But, probably the best source of info about JAAS is in the JDK docs. |
| 17:45.05 | wild_oscar | I was just curious |
| 17:45.23 | jasonb | markl__: jboss is an app server that embeds Tomcat and adds EJB and some other features. But, it embeds an older Tomcat, so you get more bugs, and less performance. Also, it makes it difficult to know how to configure things for your webapp because it tries to own the configuration and does everything its own way, so Tomcat docs probably won't help you to use jboss's embedded Tomcat. |
| 17:45.38 | jasonb | markl__: And, the features that jboss adds are not really useful. |
| 17:45.45 | wild_oscar | I implemented web security using JAAS...which is a bit like putting security out of the web container control |
| 17:46.05 | markl__ | jasonb: ok good to know, thanks |
| 17:46.22 | jasonb | markl__: You're welcome. |
| 17:46.53 | jasonb | markl__: The key really is that Tomcat implements everything you'll likely need in an app server, and so you don't need jboss. Plus, Tomcat is slim, fast, simple, and very popular. |
| 17:47.21 | jasonb | markl__: The popularity counts for a lot because you can find people who can answer questions about it, plus you can find lots of web page docs about it all over the place. |
| 17:51.34 | markl__ | don't forget helpful hints on IRC :) |
| 17:52.01 | jasonb | Exactly. See? It's working for you already! :) |
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| 19:42.38 | minerale | Embedding tomcat is very popular nowadays, Glassfish is doing it, ericsson's SIP thing is doing it... |
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| 19:50.39 | alk^ | .o/ |
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| 19:58.56 | jasonb | minerale: Glassfish embeds Tomcat? Like, regular Tomcat? |
| 19:59.16 | chowells79 | I thought glassfish was an alternate servlet container implementation. |
| 19:59.46 | BULLE_ | jasonb: atleast it spews otu lots of catalina stack traces |
| 20:00.07 | jasonb | It's actually a derivative of Tomcat, last I checked. |
| 20:00.18 | jasonb | It's a fork & heavy modification. |
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| 20:08.26 | camilo2k | hi, Tomcat: 6.0.14, Java 1.5.0.1 , CentOS Linux |
| 20:08.47 | camilo2k | how i can generate the mod_jk.config-auto |
| 20:09.00 | camilo2k | to use mod_jk on Apache, |
| 20:11.07 | minerale | jasonb: well, the tomcat engine, Catalina, at least. The guy that wrote tomcat works at sun, and is working on glassfish |
| 20:11.33 | minerale | s/glassfish/Sun Java System Application Server (TM)* |
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| 21:01.43 | jasonb | Well, the guy who initially wrote Tomcat doesn't work for Sun (James), but the guy who initially wrote Tomcat 4.x (the ancestor of the current implementation of Tomcat) does work for Sun (Craig). |
| 21:13.58 | acidjnk | James Gosling? |
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| 21:18.05 | Sebboh | Hi, I'm using Debian Lenny, Java 1.6, and Tomcat 6.0.14 from apache.org.. When I deploy my context (still in development) to this server, it doesn't start. When I run the context from within eclipse (eclipse spawns a little tomcat for me) it works. So, how do I find/enable some verbose logging in my standalone tomcat? |
| 21:19.11 | jasonb | James Duncan Davidson. |
| 21:19.30 | Sebboh | I checked out $CATALINA_HOME/logs, and found some information in there, but.. In eclipse I can look in the 'console' window and see a lot of messages that tomcat generates as it starts up and loads contexts. How do I get that same output from the standalone tomcat? |
| 21:20.00 | jasonb | Look in your catalina.out file. |
| 21:20.13 | jasonb | (it should be in your logs/ directory) |
| 21:25.13 | Sebboh | is there a verbosity setting somewhere? |
| 21:26.34 | Sebboh | ... Well, nevermind. :) I guess if I take serveral of these files and look at them at once, it's the same output as was in the console in eclipse. Good enough! |
| 21:27.07 | jasonb | yup. |
| 21:27.32 | jasonb | You can make them more verbose, but you almost certainly won't need to. |
| 21:31.27 | Sebboh | I see. Out of curiosity... ? |
| 21:32.11 | jasonb | Ask your full question -- I'm not sure which one you mean. |
| 21:32.55 | Sebboh | Sorry. How do I configure tomcat to produce more verbose logs? |
| 21:33.47 | jasonb | You'd edit conf/logging.properties and set some of the handler levels to something like FINEST. |
| 21:35.14 | Sebboh | ?! hah. :) I was scrolling through the contents of other files in conf/ and didn't even see logging.properties there. Thanks for your help jasonb. :) |
| 21:35.28 | jasonb | You're quite welcome. |
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| 23:17.38 | yassine | good evening everyone |
| 23:18.05 | traza | hi |
| 23:18.33 | alk^ | hey |
| 23:35.13 | Weng_ | Running a shiny fresh out of the box Tomcat 5.5.23 install, JVM 1.6.0_03 on Debian 2.6.18 with the management and admin consoles installed. /manager works fine, and reports that /admin is running, but if I hit /admin I get HTTP 503. |
| 23:36.02 | jasonb | What do your logs say? |
| 23:36.54 | Weng_ | ServletUnavailableException in admin.<date>.log |
| 23:38.40 | Weng_ | let me clear that and get a cleaner bit to pastebin. |
| 23:39.17 | jasonb | Weng_: Also, what do you need the admin webapp for, specifically? |
| 23:40.08 | Weng_ | Technically nothing, really. |
| 23:40.27 | jasonb | Okay, good! So don't run it. That solves lots of problems right there. |
| 23:41.22 | Weng_ | now if /manager was broken, I'd probably have a few dead web devs within days. |
| 23:41.37 | jasonb | Yeah. That one does need to work. |
| 23:43.31 | Weng_ | And with that, I'm FINALLY done installing Tomcat on every damned content server in this company. Now I just need to go back and do lib_jk |
| 23:44.20 | jasonb | ouch. |
| 23:44.38 | jasonb | Any reason you didn't install the latest stable version of Tomcat (6.0.x)? |
| 23:45.23 | Weng_ | ... Was it stable 3 days ago? |
| 23:45.38 | Weng_ | 'cuz if not, no reason at all :P |
| 23:45.45 | jasonb | It was stable over a year ago. |
| 23:47.09 | Weng_ | Interesting. I guess the 5.5 came from when I just grabbed it off the Ubuntu repositories to do a quick exploratory install on my workstation |
| 23:47.40 | jasonb | Actually, February 22 2007 it was voted stable.. sorry. |
| 23:48.04 | jasonb | Yeah, Ubuntu java packages are really not good. |
| 23:49.38 | Weng_ | Well, I guess that leaves 1 legitimate course of action. Wait for someone to complain about the old version, and then update. And package 6.x up for a bunch of platforms. |
| 23:50.35 | jasonb | It's already packaged for Windows and RedHat variants of Linux (get my RPM from the URL in the channel's topic line). |
| 23:51.09 | Weng_ | Yeah. That's the amusing thing about this place. We use every Unix under the sun except RedHat/Fedora |
| 23:51.18 | jasonb | My RPM is written to work just fine on Ubuntu as well, in case you want a well-running Tomcat package. |
| 23:51.37 | Weng_ | very nice. |
| 23:52.14 | jasonb | Directions are here: http://www.webdroid.org:8080/repo/viewcvs.cgi/tomcat-package/trunk/README.txt?rev=98&view=markup |