| 00:44.04 | yassine | gn8 everyone |
| 01:11.41 | *** join/#tomcat LongBeach (n=mike@AFontenayssB-152-1-40-69.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 01:14.09 | *** join/#tomcat l0ngbeach (n=mike@AFontenayssB-152-1-40-69.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 01:14.51 | *** join/#tomcat LongBeach (n=mike@AFontenayssB-152-1-40-69.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 01:17.40 | *** join/#tomcat wsmoak (n=wsmoak@ip68-96-53-53.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 01:19.49 | *** join/#tomcat chemaja (n=chemaja@c220-237-35-117.brasd1.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 01:25.38 | *** join/#tomcat Anonzymus (n=atrauzzi@S0106000625f829dd.wp.shawcable.net) |
| 01:26.43 | Anonzymus | I'm interested in learning how to get a reference to a data source configured in my application's context from a regular Java object. Is anyone available to answer a couple of quick questions regarding it? |
| 01:28.56 | pfn | ask a direct question |
| 01:32.28 | Anonzymus | If I have an application within which a data source named "AppName/AppNameDB", how - from a regular java class - would I get access to the DataSource factory? |
| 01:32.51 | Anonzymus | Is it okay to post a quick strip of code? |
| 01:32.55 | Anonzymus | (3 lines) |
| 01:33.02 | *** join/#tomcat m0sir (n=chatzill@222.240.210.30) |
| 01:39.12 | jasonb | yes. |
| 01:40.37 | m0sir | tomcat 6.03 is damn quickly |
| 01:40.53 | m0sir | sorry, it's 6.02, a tyo |
| 01:43.09 | Anonzymus | I'm looking at the following 3 example lines from the apache site: |
| 01:43.16 | Anonzymus | Context initCtx = new InitialContext(); |
| 01:43.21 | Anonzymus | Context envCtx = (Context) initCtx.lookup("java:comp/env");DataSource ds = (DataSource) envCtx.lookup("jdbc/EmployeeDB"); |
| 01:43.32 | Anonzymus | (sorry, meant to split off the last statement there) |
| 01:43.42 | jasonb | m0sir: Are you benchmarking it? |
| 01:44.10 | Anonzymus | I'm just wondering - this seems like overkill. If I were to do it from a servlet, there would be less lines of code. Really all I want is my object to be able to get a reference to the database - that's all. |
| 01:47.16 | m0sir | jasonb: I just test it by my app, in the same machine, the response speed is more quickly |
| 01:47.45 | jasonb | m0sir: Which version of Tomcat were you using before? |
| 01:47.56 | m0sir | all conf is the default |
| 01:49.34 | m0sir | 5.5.17 |
| 01:58.58 | Anonzymus | Okeee. So, if I have <Resource driverClassName="org.apache.derby.jdbc.EmbeddedDriver" maxActive="1" maxIdle="1" maxWait="5000" name="MyApp/MyAppDB" password="MyApp" type="javax.sql.DataSource" url="jdbc:derby:BlogDB;create=true" username="MyApp"/> in my "context.xml" file, how do I get a reference to this DataSource object in a regular Java class being instantiated by a servlet? |
| 01:59.12 | Anonzymus | (replace BlogDB with MyApp) |
| 02:18.07 | Anonzymus | Is there perhaps somewhere better for me to go to get my questions answered? |
| 02:27.40 | pfn | do precisely what you saw in your example above |
| 02:28.12 | pfn | ctx.lookup("java:comp/env/MyApp/MyAppDB") |
| 02:28.35 | Anonzymus | Coolness. Is there any way I can get an explanation of that? What is comp and env? I'm more interested in understanding fully what is being referenced here & how in that JDNI path. |
| 02:28.40 | Anonzymus | Part of what I'm making is for learning. |
| 02:29.01 | Anonzymus | Would there be any shorter way of doing this? Would it be the same if I was doing it from a servlet? |
| 02:33.28 | jasonb | Anonzymus: Read Sun's JNDI spec and Sun's Java Servlet spec and you'll see why it says comp and env. |
| 02:33.45 | Anonzymus | jasonb, I find those documents far too circuetous to be of any practical use. |
| 02:34.00 | jasonb | Anonzymus: Then the corresponding O'Reilly books. |
| 02:34.23 | Anonzymus | I usually learn from tutorials or the help of good people |
| 02:34.37 | jasonb | Good people cost good money though. :) |
| 02:34.49 | Anonzymus | Good people shouldn't sit on IRC if that's the case :) |
| 02:35.05 | jasonb | Feel free to use The Google to find tutorials that tell you all about comp and env in JNDI. ;) |
| 02:35.25 | *** join/#tomcat eBean (n=erabbit@ip68-106-62-189.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 02:35.47 | Anonzymus | Yeah - well, you know...Thanks for that useless piece of help. I'd just like to remind you that sometimes static web pages aren't good at answering my questions. |
| 02:35.55 | Anonzymus | Which is why I usually come for a bit of information. |
| 02:36.11 | jasonb | Just because we're here to answer questions that are easily answered does not mean we must answer every question like: I don't know what Java is, so can you give me a tutorial all about it right now please? |
| 02:36.28 | pfn | ditto jasonb |
| 02:36.31 | eBean | jasonb, dang... that was my question |
| 02:36.37 | jasonb | heh! |
| 02:36.41 | Anonzymus | That wasn't my question though. |
| 02:36.45 | jasonb | Almost! |
| 02:36.49 | Anonzymus | To you. |
| 02:36.56 | Anonzymus | DOn't judge others because you think their question is stupid. |
| 02:37.07 | Anonzymus | If that's the case, don't give me a lecture. Just say "your question is too stupid for me". |
| 02:37.27 | Anonzymus | And I'll find someone else who IS interested in helping me out with a few DETAILS. |
| 02:37.36 | jasonb | I never said your question was stupid. It's certainly not. It's just not one that I would be able to answer here, now, on this particular IRC channel. |
| 02:38.01 | Anonzymus | Yeah - well. you know...I get tired of being redirected to google every time I have a question. |
| 02:38.04 | pfn | anonzymus I already gave you the short answer, it's really up to you to search and understand what the rest means |
| 02:38.08 | jasonb | It's actually not really on topic in this channel. |
| 02:38.12 | Anonzymus | pfn, thanks! |
| 02:38.22 | Anonzymus | Is this not a channel on tomcat? |
| 02:38.32 | Anonzymus | Or am I supposed to go to #javaee? |
| 02:38.39 | jasonb | Yes, that's why your question isn't really on topic. |
| 02:38.46 | Anonzymus | Uh huh. |
| 02:39.28 | Anonzymus | And then when I ask the question, javaee says, "go to tomcat, they'll know more". |
| 02:39.47 | Anonzymus | Because - hey...I'm not using the same server as the people in the channel at the time. |
| 02:39.59 | Anonzymus | Again - I'm not stupid. But sometimes java tutorials really drop the buck in getting specific. |
| 02:40.17 | jasonb | Well, then ##java is the place for your question, since it's about JNDI, and JNDI is really a fundamental Java thing, not a fundamental Tomcat thing, nor even a fundamental Java EE thing. |
| 02:40.23 | Anonzymus | So I thank pfn for his help. He basically said "yeah, that's a good way to do it" for me..instead of me going "perhaps this is a little longwinded for what I want to be doing?" |
| 02:40.23 | jasonb | It's a Jave SE tihng. |
| 02:40.35 | pfn | jndi is actually really fundamental with java ee... it's almost never used in java se |
| 02:40.42 | pfn | except in ldap... and even then, jndi is suckass for ldap |
| 02:41.23 | jasonb | pfn: It resides in Java SE's core class library, not in Java EE's libs, although Java EE's libs do have helper classes, that's beside the point, it's still in core Java. |
| 02:41.38 | Anonzymus | Oh dear. |
| 02:42.00 | Anonzymus | What does it matter? I just want to know of my options when I want to get a reference to a datastore object in a POJO. :D |
| 02:42.23 | Anonzymus | datasource (sorry) |
| 02:42.32 | jasonb | Okay, so since that's not Tomcat specific, then ##java is the right channel. |
| 02:42.52 | Anonzymus | Until they realize I'm using it while using tomcat :D |
| 02:42.56 | Anonzymus | And then they send me here. |
| 02:43.38 | pfn | jasonb that may be so, but it's almost never used outside of java ee |
| 02:43.43 | jasonb | Well, the truth is that you'll find few people interested in telling you lots of details about JNDI. JNDI isn't exactly a favorite technology for Java developers. |
| 02:44.03 | pfn | anecdotal... I've never had a need for jndi outside of java ee apps, (and occasional ldap use) |
| 02:44.21 | jasonb | pfn: It used to be, but I suppose it's used far less outside of Java EE now. Still, it really is a core Java (SE) technology. |
| 02:44.41 | pfn | Anonzymus: I already gave you your answer, from that point, you should google to find out what the various components mean |
| 02:44.53 | pfn | obviously, you should understand where MyApp/MyAppDB come from |
| 02:44.57 | Anonzymus | jasonb: on that we can agree ;) |
| 02:45.25 | pfn | jasonb how even less so? it won't ever go away as long as we have servlets, and ejbs |
| 02:45.27 | jasonb | Anonzymus: People mainly just have trouble with it. |
| 02:45.46 | Anonzymus | jasonb: Clearly, it's just a confusing setup and isn't explained very well. |
| 02:46.07 | jasonb | .. except for in some O'Reilly books, probably. |
| 02:46.15 | Anonzymus | o'reilly always does that ;) |
| 02:46.18 | Anonzymus | I loveum. |
| 02:46.32 | pfn | and perhaps in a particular tomcat book? |
| 02:46.42 | jasonb | heh |
| 02:47.49 | jasonb | I don't know if the first edition of the Tomcat book attempted to explain JNDI.. again, it's just not on topic. Maybe the Java Servlet Programming book.. |
| 02:48.33 | jasonb | Of course we did have a section on JNDIRealm, but I don't think we delved real deep into JNDI in the process. |
| 02:49.45 | Anonzymus | That's often the problem. I don't really get a chance to see everything start to finish. |
| 02:50.06 | Anonzymus | I get a one paragraph explanation saying "we do this with JNDI because that's how you do that" and then they go on with whatever the example is of. |
| 02:50.24 | Anonzymus | If I look for JNDI specific information, I find it difficult to apply anything I learn to what I was originally trying to research. |
| 02:51.19 | Anonzymus | So, in this case, I'm going "why java:comp/env"? What is it doing? And as I'm searching pages, I get a lot of results saying "use comp/env for this! use comp/env for that!" |
| 02:51.48 | Anonzymus | But I can't get something that sits down, stays still for a moment and says "the comp in comp/env means *this*, etc...." |
| 02:52.27 | Anonzymus | Just a sec ago the closest I got is something that admits Java EE (or J2EE in this document's case) "defines" a few noteworthy JNDI paths.... But it stops short there without referencing anything that can give a detailed listing & explanation of what those are. |
| 02:52.36 | *** join/#tomcat aluchko (n=aluchko@S01060002724eb0b7.ed.shawcable.net) |
| 02:52.41 | Anonzymus | (a list that ought to contain comp and env...lol) |
| 02:53.11 | aluchko | I know this isn't exactly the right channel but using ant is there a way to copy all the files in a filelist ? |
| 02:55.55 | pfn | java:comp/env is simply a name space that is defined by the java ee spec to contain all resources |
| 02:56.02 | pfn | all resources defined to your application |
| 02:56.59 | jasonb | Anonzymus: The most fundamental text about JNDI, including path elements, is the JNDI spec from Sun. Then, Java EE defines more things about the paths and the behavior, so the Java EE spec(s) are the next most fundamental place to look. These are free, and on the web, and if you won't look at them, you may never get the details you're looking for. |
| 02:57.13 | jasonb | aluchko: Answer: Yes. :) |
| 02:58.00 | Anonzymus | pfn, so when you say "application" you mean individual deployed apps? So if I have a datasource named "blah" configured in my server, comp/env/blah will in essence exist twice - or once for each app? |
| 02:58.21 | Anonzymus | Or I should say "once from the perspective of each app". |
| 03:00.50 | pfn | anonzymus java:comp/env/blah may not necessarily be the same as java:comp/env/blah in another app |
| 03:01.13 | Anonzymus | Howso? |
| 03:02.02 | pfn | they are scoped in respect to your app |
| 03:02.06 | Anonzymus | If I've configured the datasource (or any other resource I guess) as having the JNDI name "blah", does it not then become "comp/env/blah" in this situation? |
| 03:02.08 | Anonzymus | Ohh. |
| 03:02.18 | Anonzymus | So I wouldn't even be able to see "blah" at all! |
| 03:02.32 | Anonzymus | Because I'm at my app's context, not the server's? |
| 03:02.34 | pfn | tomcat takes a few shortcuts with the j2ee spec |
| 03:02.51 | pfn | in that it automatically translates anything you have in a global level to java:comp/env I think |
| 03:03.06 | aluchko | jasonb, Follow Up Question: How? :) |
| 03:03.14 | pfn | but according to the spec, stuff that's in java:comp/env is only if you specify a resource-ref to it in your deployment descriptor |
| 03:03.19 | jasonb | aluchko: You did ask a yes or no question. :) |
| 03:03.30 | jasonb | aluchko: Define "file list". |
| 03:03.41 | aluchko | jasonb, <filelist> |
| 03:03.42 | pfn | and you would configure the mapping between server's global resource to the applications particular resource-ref by using the equivalent of tomcat's context.xml |
| 03:04.03 | Anonzymus | My context.xml right now actually contains a resource declaration. |
| 03:04.12 | Anonzymus | That gets deployed along with the app to the server. |
| 03:05.03 | jasonb | aluchko: Wooo, an Ant 1.7 question.. :) |
| 03:07.00 | aluchko | jasonb, 1.7? it looks like they made some changes in 1.7 but I'm running ant-1.6.5-2jpp.2 and have <filelist> |
| 03:08.24 | jasonb | aluchko: Oh, ok. I'm actually not familiar with <filelist>, but I do see it in the Ant manual.. The copy task page does not show an example of copying using one. |
| 03:09.12 | aluchko | jasonb, yeah, I've been googling around but everything I find kind of avoids the question |
| 03:10.05 | jasonb | aluchko: "FileLists can appear inside tasks that support this feature or as stand-alone types." |
| 03:10.06 | aluchko | jasonb, basically I have a list of jars in arbitrary locations that I'll want to copy at some point |
| 03:11.01 | jasonb | aluchko: Maybe copy does not support it. If that's the case, then maybe you can set a property with the contents of the filelist, and then copy using the property.. Or, even write the filelist out to disk somehow, then read it into a property and do the copy (last resort). |
| 03:11.19 | jasonb | aluchko: What made you use a filelist for that initially, as opposed to a fileset? |
| 03:11.33 | Anonzymus | Here's another good question - what does the "java:" at the start signify? |
| 03:12.34 | aluchko | jasonb, well I was working from a script that used filelist already and I didn't like the idea of using a fileset since the jars were in all these jars in arbitrary locations (and not relative to a basedir) |
| 03:15.26 | jasonb | Anonzymus: I believe it signifies that you want to use the default Java namespace (or is that "deault Java provider's namespace"?) But, honestly, I never bothered to look for text to explain it, so my guess may be wrong. |
| 03:16.21 | jasonb | aluchko: Well, but you can use fileset to specify the same list as you're using to set that filelist. |
| 03:16.49 | aluchko | jasonb, yeah, I'm trying that now |
| 03:19.04 | jasonb | aluchko: It's a good idea to try it since a fileset is way more useful than a filelist. |
| 03:23.19 | aluchko | hmm, I ran into the same problem I did the last time I tried a fileset, when I use a fileset with a refid in the <classpath> none of the jars appear to be added to the classpath |
| 03:23.50 | aluchko | the fileset I'm using should be good since I successfully use it to copy the jars at another point |
| 03:25.49 | jasonb | aluchko: Use a paste server to show us the Ant XML. |
| 03:28.11 | aluchko | jasonb, http://rafb.net/paste/results/HVAW2317.html |
| 03:28.35 | aluchko | the fileset is libraries |
| 03:29.34 | aluchko | and compile is where I'm having trouble (I manually include libs.dir and the classpath works but when I have only libraries in the classpath I get the compile errors) |
| 03:30.13 | jasonb | heh, what's the <feff> on the front of that file? :) |
| 03:30.44 | aluchko | jasonb, no clue, probably some spanish thing I should delete :) |
| 03:31.46 | jasonb | aluchko: You wrote the fileset unlike how I would have written it.. Let me see if I can give you an example.. |
| 03:35.03 | *** join/#tomcat lurch_ (n=lurch@187.20-67-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 03:37.12 | jasonb | aluchko: I guess what I would suggest you change in there is to use <include> instead of <filename>. The rest can be the same.. name="whatever.jar" |
| 03:37.30 | jasonb | aluchko: Try that first, it's an easy change. |
| 03:38.06 | jasonb | aluchko: Also, you can print the fileset to see what it contains before you get any farther.. I'll give you an example to use for that... |
| 03:41.14 | Anonzymus | Here's another good question that I hope doesn't get passed off to the Derby crowd..... |
| 03:41.46 | Anonzymus | If I have a connection string "jdbc:derby:AppDB;create=true", where in the filesystem does that DB get created? |
| 03:41.54 | Anonzymus | Is it based on the runtime directory of tomcat? |
| 03:42.19 | jasonb | Might be the current working directory, which varies from Tomcat installation to Tomcat installation. |
| 03:42.58 | Anonzymus | LOL...time to go on a file hunt ;) |
| 03:43.37 | jasonb | aluchko: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Vu2j7f95.html |
| 03:47.04 | aluchko | jasonb, I'm getting a syntax error on <property name="fileset.path.content" refid="fileset.path"/> |
| 03:47.32 | Anonzymus | When would a data source actually attempt it's first connection to the database? Once a connection is obtained or upon performing it's first query? |
| 03:48.40 | jasonb | aluchko: You didn't put the three dots in there literally did you? :) |
| 03:48.52 | aluchko | jasonb, nope :) |
| 03:49.27 | jasonb | aluchko: You really should not get a syntax error on that line. There is nothing wrong with it as far as I can tell. |
| 03:50.16 | jasonb | Anonzymus: Try it and see. I don't remember. But, it would be helpful if you could tell me which it does. |
| 03:51.46 | jasonb | aluchko: Also, this example is taken straight out of one of my build files where it does indeed work. |
| 03:52.02 | aluchko | jasonb, hmm, I had some includesfile in the fileset and somehow that was causing it to report a syntax error on that line (as well as spewing out some non-utf stuff) |
| 03:52.15 | jasonb | heh |
| 03:53.02 | aluchko | jasonb, ok, my fileset is empty |
| 03:53.28 | jasonb | That's not good. |
| 03:53.40 | aluchko | jasonb, not terribly |
| 03:53.42 | jasonb | Maybe one of your paths don't match up with what's in the file system? |
| 03:54.13 | jasonb | I'd suggest checking each path by hand by cutting & pasting the path into the file system and doing an ls on it.. hand-substituting any variables. |
| 03:54.35 | jasonb | I have to run.. but I think you're closing in on the problem. :) |
| 03:54.41 | aluchko | jasonb, do all of the files have to be there for any to show up?? |
| 03:54.50 | aluchko | jasonb, ok, thanks a ton for all the help |
| 03:54.55 | jasonb | I don't think so, but I might be wrong about that. |
| 03:55.10 | jasonb | It would be easy to write a test fileset to test the theory.. |
| 03:55.41 | jasonb | Best of luck. |
| 04:27.05 | aluchko | hrm, this is being very persistent in its not-working-ness :( |
| 04:41.27 | eBean | I have 66 cds to burn |
| 04:41.33 | eBean | at 10 minutes a cd |
| 04:41.36 | eBean | boo... |
| 05:08.41 | aluchko | does ant have trouble including files that are below the current working directory? |
| 06:27.37 | aluchko | s/below/above |
| 06:29.59 | *** join/#tomcat Anonzymus (n=atrauzzi@S0106000625f829dd.wp.shawcable.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 06:53.37 | *** join/#tomcat m0sir (n=chatzill@222.240.210.30) |
| 07:01.06 | jasonb | aluchko: I'm back for a bit.. still working on it? |
| 07:01.33 | aluchko | jasonb, yes :( |
| 07:01.53 | aluchko | jasonb, I've realized the problem is that fileset can't have ../ anywhere in the path |
| 07:03.13 | jasonb | aluchko: Well, they can if you do <fileset dir="some/dir/../../something/else"> and *then* a <include name="something.jar"> |
| 07:03.44 | jasonb | aluchko: But, if you try to put the ../ in the include name= attribute, that may not work. |
| 07:04.14 | aluchko | jasonb, well I was thinking of dir="/" but then I need full paths without the leading '/', I can get the full path with <path> but it has the / |
| 07:05.41 | jasonb | aluchko: Okay, wait, are you trying to include jar files that are not within the ${basedir} tree? Like, outside the scope of ${basedir}? |
| 07:06.06 | aluchko | jasonb, yup |
| 07:06.27 | jasonb | aluchko: Is it that they are one dir back from ${basedir}? Or, farther back than that? |
| 07:06.41 | aluchko | jasonb, arbitrary place on filesystem |
| 07:07.00 | *** part/#tomcat Anonzymus (n=atrauzzi@S0106000625f829dd.wp.shawcable.net) |
| 07:07.07 | jasonb | aluchko: And you have those paths set as properties? Or, where does the build file get those paths? |
| 07:07.47 | aluchko | by default all in libs.dir but the user could override with build.properties or -D |
| 07:09.48 | jasonb | Okay, so then why not build a fileset like <fileset dir="${libs.dir}"><includes name="some/path/foo.jar"/> ? |
| 07:10.27 | *** join/#tomcat m0sir_ (n=chatzill@222.240.210.30) |
| 07:10.42 | aluchko | jasonb, well then if someone gave a different path to foo.jar it wouldn't be included |
| 07:11.31 | jasonb | aluchko: Okay, then <fileset dir="${libs.dir}"><includes name="${foo.jar.path}"/> |
| 07:12.24 | jasonb | aluchko: Or even <fileset dir="${libs.dir}"><includes name="${foo.jar.lib.dir}/foo.jar"/> |
| 07:12.26 | aluchko | jasonb, then ${foo.jar.path} needs to be below ${libs.dir}, that's why I need dir="/" |
| 07:12.51 | jasonb | ahh, so you want each jar file to be able to be in a whole different path. |
| 07:12.56 | aluchko | yeah |
| 07:13.10 | jasonb | That's pretty uncommon. But, I do think it can still work. |
| 07:13.31 | jasonb | aluchko: Do you have a finite list of these jars? |
| 07:14.00 | jasonb | aluchko: Also, beware that this kind of flexibility will result in longer, harder to maintain Ant XML. |
| 07:15.42 | aluchko | jasonb, yup |
| 07:15.53 | aluchko | jasonb, it already has :) |
| 07:16.22 | jasonb | aluchko: Okay. There are at least two ways you can proceed here.. |
| 07:17.09 | jasonb | aluchko: 1) Make one fileset for each jar file, or each group of jar files that you know for sure will reside in the same dir path. Then, make another fileset or path that includes all of the individual filesets. |
| 07:17.45 | jasonb | aluchko: 2) Make one big fileset for all of the jars where the dir="/". It can indeed work this way, but I think it is harder to do. |
| 07:17.58 | jasonb | aluchko: I would suggest 1). |
| 07:18.57 | aluchko | jasonb, the problem with 1) is they can either be in libs.dir or external, if they are external than I need "/", if they are internal than I can't do "/" unless I can find a way to drop the / |
| 07:19.22 | aluchko | wth 2) again I need to drop the / |
| 07:20.36 | jasonb | With 1), each fileset you create only contains a set of jars in a known absolute path. So, you do <fileset dir="/known/path"><includes name="jar1.jar"/><includes name="jar2.jar"/></fileset> |
| 07:21.00 | aluchko | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:21.13 | jasonb | You build as many of those as you have groups of jars, then you create either a path or another fileset and have it contain all of the filesets for each group of jars. |
| 07:21.41 | jasonb | Yeah, you don't actually need that ugly hack if you use the approach 1) above. |
| 07:22.59 | aluchko | actually I can do two filesets one rooted at / and the other at libs.dir, then I simply include both whenever I need the jar and one should always be present |
| 07:24.20 | aluchko | then my number of filesets doesn't scale with the number of jars |
| 07:25.14 | jasonb | If you are copying the jars, and the source file does not exist, then your build will output a warning message about that if failonerror="false". |
| 07:25.44 | jasonb | So, you can include two filesets, one for "/" and one for "${libs.dir}", but you will get lots of warnings about files not being found. |
| 07:26.24 | aluchko | all I know at this point is I really dislike ant |
| 07:26.36 | jasonb | Well, you're trying to do something pretty uncommon. |
| 07:27.05 | aluchko | feels like it shouldn't be, I'm just offering variable locations for the jars |
| 07:27.29 | aluchko | either way I really have to get to bed, thanks a ton for all the help |
| 07:27.37 | jasonb | If Ant had if statements, you could write much more compact Ant XML to hack around this.. but the fact that the committers were being STUPID trying to keep Ant XML from being script-like means that you don't have that option, except if you also include the ant-contrib tasks in your build file. |
| 07:28.30 | jasonb | Okay, you're welcome. Don't hate ant too much. It really is helpful. You just need a pretty clever solution to your very difficult problem. |
| 07:29.29 | aluchko | I'll let you know if I find a nice clean solution |
| 07:31.03 | jasonb | Okay. Best of luck. And, feel free to continue to ask about this in here. Everyone needs to use Ant. :) |
| 09:00.11 | *** join/#tomcat DieselChrist (n=cobaltsi@201009159106.user.veloxzone.com.br) |
| 09:06.32 | *** join/#tomcat duck1123 (n=duck@c-68-42-123-89.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 09:07.13 | duck1123 | Could anybody here give me any clues as to why Eclipse isn't registering that Tomcat started up, and why it's not publishing my changes without shutting down and starting again? |
| 09:17.34 | *** join/#tomcat chemaja (n=chemaja@c220-237-35-117.brasd1.vic.optusnet.com.au) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:19.29 | *** join/#tomcat duck1123 (n=duck@c-68-42-123-89.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:19.29 | *** join/#tomcat DieselChrist (n=cobaltsi@201009159106.user.veloxzone.com.br) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:19.29 | *** join/#tomcat lurch_ (n=lurch@187.20-67-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:19.29 | *** join/#tomcat LongBeach (n=mike@AFontenayssB-152-1-40-69.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:19.29 | *** join/#tomcat yassine (n=yassine@xdsl-87-78-22-214.netcologne.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:19.29 | *** join/#tomcat rbd (n=rbd@adsl-074-229-183-112.sip.rmo.bellsouth.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:19.29 | *** join/#tomcat vinse (n=vinse@208.253.223.146) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:19.29 | *** join/#tomcat jasonb (i=noneoyer@adsl-66-124-73-250.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:19.29 | *** join/#tomcat codejunky (i=nobody@codejunky.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:19.29 | *** join/#tomcat Hattorii (n=ciccio@85.20.122.57) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:19.29 | *** join/#tomcat fix___ (n=fix@cable-87-244-191-89.upc.chello.be) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:19.30 | *** join/#tomcat evosh (n=jixjax@user-112140k.dsl.mindspring.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:19.30 | *** join/#tomcat smccl (n=smccl@63.161.118.147) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:19.30 | *** join/#tomcat Hugh (n=Hugh@puma.mxtelecom.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:19.30 | *** join/#tomcat Cocytus (i=H2SO4@fallskjermhopp.no) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:19.30 | *** join/#tomcat Borges_ (n=anpereir@smtp.gentoo.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:19.30 | *** join/#tomcat twilight\ (n=ask@38.80-202-90.nextgentel.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:19.30 | *** join/#tomcat tomcat_te (i=pb_test@nat/yahoo/x-132b4917429fe2cc) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:19.30 | *** join/#tomcat harpoon (i=stueber@ultra20.rbg.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:19.30 | *** join/#tomcat Jara[zZ] (n=rimaraj@62.123.204.106) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:19.30 | *** join/#tomcat awelynant (n=cskinfil@208.65.172.147) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:19.30 | *** join/#tomcat pfn (n=pfnguyen@netblock-66-245-252-239.dslextreme.com) |
| 09:19.30 | *** join/#tomcat swente (i=OX7QoIGP@unaffiliated/swente) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:19.30 | *** join/#tomcat Raboo (i=rabi@nikson.dataphone.se) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:19.30 | *** join/#tomcat ohsix (i=ohsix@bc111222.bendcable.com) |
| 09:19.30 | *** join/#tomcat rhizmoe (n=eric@slider.synthesizer.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:19.30 | *** join/#tomcat odin_ (n=dlm@86.128.143.177) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:19.31 | *** join/#tomcat FauxFaux (n=faux@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:19.31 | *** join/#tomcat memic (n=memic@timeoutd.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:19.31 | *** join/#tomcat pucko (n=andreas@81-234-246-21-o933.tbon.telia.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:19.31 | *** join/#tomcat Hadaka (i=naked@naked.iki.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:19.31 | *** join/#tomcat teite (i=shu@sun-shu.ision.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:48.55 | *** join/#tomcat flexable (n=flexable@87.19.96.37) |
| 10:22.08 | *** join/#tomcat Sergey_zsg (n=ZSG@schuprakov.office0.naumen.ru) |
| 10:23.24 | *** join/#tomcat Hattori (i=darkrad@85.20.122.57) |
| 10:28.10 | *** join/#tomcat Sergey_zsg (n=ZSG@schuprakov.office0.naumen.ru) |
| 10:28.37 | yassine | good morning everyone |
| 10:28.57 | duck1123 | morning |
| 10:30.53 | chemaja | evening |
| 10:55.01 | *** join/#tomcat Sergey_zsg (n=ZSG@schuprakov.office0.naumen.ru) |
| 10:55.59 | Hattori | if a class need to write a file into WEB-INF dir, that dir needs to have some particular permission? |
| 10:58.36 | yassine | Hattori, the user that runs tomcat need to have write permission there |
| 11:15.29 | duck1123 | Could anybody here give me any clues as to why Eclipse isn't registering that Tomcat started up, and why it's not publishing my changes without shutting down and starting again? |
| 11:41.34 | *** join/#tomcat kasbah (n=kasbah@port-212-202-42-65.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 11:57.04 | *** join/#tomcat cobaltsixty (n=cobaltsi@201009159106.user.veloxzone.com.br) |
| 11:58.28 | codejunky | duck1123: Do you use the webtools? Or the sysdeo tomcat plugin? |
| 12:04.01 | *** join/#tomcat yel (n=yassine@xdsl-87-78-102-19.netcologne.de) |
| 12:15.23 | *** join/#tomcat flexable (n=flexable@87.19.96.37) |
| 12:40.05 | Hattori | who know how to add timestamp to log4j logging? |
| 13:13.05 | *** join/#tomcat foomonkey (n=amp@c-69-246-134-91.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) |
| 13:13.19 | harpoon | in the log4j.property |
| 13:13.25 | harpoon | format string :-) |
| 13:15.48 | harpoon | %d{<dateformat>} |
| 13:17.55 | Hattori | thanks |
| 13:39.20 | yassine | harpoon, there ? |
| 13:39.43 | harpoon | how can i be of service |
| 13:40.05 | yassine | do you happen to use strace ? |
| 13:40.34 | harpoon | i had played around with, some years ago |
| 13:40.53 | harpoon | but i never had any problem, where i needed it |
| 13:40.56 | yassine | can you encrypt this for me maybe : http://rafb.net/paste/results/Dg3ZIC67.html |
| 13:41.37 | harpoon | encrypt? |
| 13:41.43 | harpoon | with strace?!? |
| 13:41.44 | yassine | explain :) |
| 13:42.05 | yassine | this is looking for me like if its encrypted |
| 13:42.28 | harpoon | ah.. decrypt |
| 13:42.36 | yassine | yup sorry |
| 13:42.54 | harpoon | i just thougt you mean another strace then |
| 13:42.57 | harpoon | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:45.19 | harpoon | yassine: what you have done? |
| 13:45.47 | yassine | harpoon, i can not install the jdk on this box :s |
| 13:45.52 | yassine | amd64 debian |
| 13:46.02 | harpoon | i see that |
| 13:47.00 | harpoon | execve("./java", ["./java"], [/* 22 vars */]) = -1 ENOEXEC (Exec format error) <-- subprocess call didn't work |
| 13:47.50 | harpoon | each of the processes called in that dump has a makefile, describing what they do |
| 13:48.51 | *** join/#tomcat wsmoak_ (n=wsmoak@ip68-96-53-53.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 13:49.22 | harpoon | man because these are systemfunction you will find them in section 2 |
| 13:50.05 | yassine | this still dont explain for me why the jdk binary does not unpack it self and drops errors messages :s |
| 13:50.31 | yassine | i tried to copy the jdk from an other box from the same architecture but that did not helps too |
| 13:53.05 | *** join/#tomcat gregor_k (n=Miranda@p54A18560.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 13:56.18 | harpoon | execve don |
| 13:56.26 | harpoon | don't like the call |
| 13:56.38 | yassine | ? |
| 13:59.06 | harpoon | exec format error |
| 13:59.16 | harpoon | please read man 2 execve |
| 13:59.28 | harpoon | i have holiday this weekend :-) |
| 14:20.19 | evosh | And I've gotten sicker than I was before. Doctor said it may take over a week... |
| 14:28.39 | Hattori | if jsp page works in \webapps\myapp\file.jsp using http://localhost:8080/myapp/file.jsp why if i have \webapps\myapp\subdir\file.jsp doesn't work on http://localhost:8080/myapp/subdir/file.jsp |
| 14:28.40 | Hattori | ? |
| 14:30.33 | Hattori | it still work on http://localhost:8080/myapp/file.jsp |
| 14:34.43 | Hattori | no wait |
| 14:38.12 | Hattori | ok nm :) |
| 14:39.45 | Hattori | if my applications is not listed in the Appplicaiton List of the tomcat manager, is not good right? ;} |
| 14:45.24 | harpoon | yep |
| 14:58.05 | *** join/#tomcat Peavy (i=Peavy@86.75.149.115) |
| 15:03.35 | Peavy | Hello, I'm using Tomcat 5.5 on Red Hat 4.4. I was just wondering, is there a way to hide the tomcat server information displayd when listing a directory ? is there any information reharding the tomcat version sent by the server in the http headers reponse ? if so, is there any way to avoid this ? thank you very much |
| 15:26.32 | *** join/#tomcat vinse (n=vinse@208.253.223.146) |
| 15:34.16 | *** part/#tomcat duck1123 (n=duck@c-68-42-123-89.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 15:56.02 | *** join/#tomcat DieselChrist (n=cobaltsi@201009159106.user.veloxzone.com.br) |
| 16:12.46 | *** join/#tomcat aluchko (n=aluchko@S01060002724eb0b7.ed.shawcable.net) |
| 16:32.26 | *** join/#tomcat a4akb (n=Akbara@62.150.72.34) |
| 16:34.51 | a4akb | hi |
| 16:45.23 | *** join/#tomcat PennFan (n=info@p54A3B330.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 16:58.27 | Hattori | in the .war file there should be the web.xml file too? |
| 17:19.17 | *** join/#tomcat codejunky (i=nobody@codejunky.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 17:28.01 | *** join/#tomcat smccl (n=smccl@63.161.118.147) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 17:35.43 | *** join/#tomcat smccl (n=smccl@63.161.118.147) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 17:44.28 | *** join/#tomcat wsmoak (n=wsmoak@ip68-96-53-53.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 18:05.19 | *** join/#tomcat thkruege (n=thkruege@cip24.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE) |
| 18:05.38 | *** part/#tomcat thkruege (n=thkruege@cip24.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE) |
| 18:21.38 | *** join/#tomcat columbo (n=columbo@pool-71-104-18-28.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 19:13.53 | *** join/#tomcat prgrmr (n=prgrmr@bzq-88-153-51-66.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 19:41.42 | *** join/#tomcat pasi (n=chatzill@a84-230-19-210.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 19:42.21 | pasi | hello |
| 19:42.56 | pasi | heippa |
| 20:11.27 | yassine | evosh, there ? |
| 20:18.38 | PennFan | wb yassine |
| 20:20.07 | *** join/#tomcat aluchko (n=aluchko@S01060002724eb0b7.ed.shawcable.net) |
| 21:17.01 | aluchko | jasonb, ping |
| 21:31.43 | Hattori | how to set up the dir where to deploy? |
| 21:32.24 | Hattori | i mean, if i upload a war file, when i deploy it, it got extracted into tomcat/webappas/ dir by default. any way to say it to deploy elsewhere? |
| 21:44.14 | aluchko | Hattori, I think eclipse webtools project does something like that (it deploys to its own directory and doesn't touch the tomcat install) |
| 21:45.05 | swente | eclipse launches tomcat in a nonstandard way, resulting in a $webapps-dir below the workspace-hierarchy [so, in the end it remains the same] |
| 21:46.31 | swente | Hattori: what exactly are you searching for? do you want to deploy via the manager app? do you want the entire $webapps to reside somewhere else or just a single app? |
| 21:48.27 | Hattori | a single app |
| 21:49.46 | Hattori | i thought that docbase and appbase should set it.. but they're set in a way and the deploy is done into another dir (probably under webapps, but i don't have permissions to see tomcat installation dir, so it's just a gues..) |
| 21:51.46 | swente | Hattori: if you setup a Host in server.xml, you can override the appBase's destination [->$webapps]. |
| 21:52.27 | swente | but i'm not sure if that really helps you out -- it's for entire hosts, not single webbapps. |
| 21:53.10 | swente | perhaps symlinks might help you out? |
| 21:53.38 | Hattori | i need to deploy in public_html directory instead of tomcat/webapps |
| 21:54.55 | kasbah | Hattori: probably you want to edit the server.xml |
| 21:59.49 | Hattori | yes, how. |
| 22:26.31 | Hattori | - <Host name ="xxx.com" appBase="/home/xxx/public_html"> <Context path="" reloadable="true" docBase="/home/xxx/public_html" debug="1" /> <Context path="/manager " debug="0" privileged="true" docBase="/usr/local/jakarta/tomcat/server/xxx/manager" /> </Host> |
| 22:26.58 | Hattori | what's wrong there? shouldn't already the app be deployed in /home/xxx/public_html directory instead of elsewhere? |
| 22:39.18 | Hattori | we have access to the tomcat manager page, we upload the war and push deploy, but the application is not deployed in /home/xxx/public_html since we can't see any dir on the ftp |
| 22:47.55 | Hattori | if i have two host definitions: |
| 22:48.00 | Hattori | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.01 | Hattori | and |
| 22:48.06 | Hattori | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.44 | Hattori | if i connect to the tomcat manager page from yyy.xxx.com/manager/ |
| 22:49.05 | Hattori | when i deploy, it will match any of the hosts settings? |
| 22:49.22 | Hattori | or i have to add a <Host name ="yyy.xxx.com" setting too? |
| 23:08.56 | evosh | Man, I've been sleeping nonstop for the last 60 hours... |
| 23:09.42 | evosh | Hattori, You define a new deployment location by specifying it in your <Host appBase="..." >. |
| 23:10.35 | evosh | It can be any location on your disk with appropriate permission and according to the host that it should be resolved to as well. |
| 23:12.28 | evosh | Then you can simply dump your .war file there and have its Context tag define in either of two ways: http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-5.5-doc/deployer-howto.html#A%20word%20on%20Contexts |
| 23:12.41 | evosh | My head hurts... brb. |
| 23:20.18 | *** join/#tomcat Hugh_ (n=Hugh@puma.mxtelecom.com) |
| 23:23.47 | Hattori | yes but can you asnwer to this: |
| 23:23.51 | Hattori | if i have two host definitions: |
| 23:23.53 | Hattori | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:23.57 | Hattori | and |
| 23:24.00 | Hattori | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.03 | Hattori | if i connect to the tomcat manager page from yyy.xxx.com/manager/ |
| 23:24.06 | Hattori | when i deploy, it will match any of the hosts settings? |
| 23:24.09 | Hattori | or i have to add a <Host name ="yyy.xxx.com" setting too? |
| 23:27.30 | evosh | Back, you do have to have a separate Host for virtual host yyy.xxx.com. |
| 23:28.07 | evosh | By the way, how much you are asking for "xxx.com"? You must be loaded ;p |
| 23:29.54 | Hattori | no, xxx is to hide the name :} |
| 23:30.06 | Hattori | so i have to add a <Host name ="yyy.xxx.com" |
| 23:30.50 | Hattori | that's can be the cause of when i connect to yyy.xxx.com/manager/html/list and i try to deploy my .war from there, it doesn't deploy in /home/xxx/public_html dir? |
| 23:32.04 | evosh | Wow, where did /home/xxx/... come into play? Maybe I should have read your previous lines. |
| 23:32.27 | Hattori | hmm? |
| 23:34.12 | Hattori | that can be the reason? |
| 23:34.43 | evosh | Ok, let's back up a bit. Are you using Tomcat in conjunction with Apache webserver? |
| 23:34.50 | evosh | Or only Tomcat standalone? |
| 23:34.58 | Hattori | with apache |
| 23:35.10 | Hattori | but we don't have full access of it |
| 23:35.30 | Hattori | the admin have given us yyy.xxx.com/manager/ to manage it |
| 23:35.44 | Hattori | and show us the config actually set in server.xml |
| 23:35.46 | evosh | Ok, how is Apache configured to communication with Tomcat, via JK_mod or proxy_mod? |
| 23:35.49 | Hattori | <Host name ="xxx.com" appBase="/home/xxx/public_html"> <Context path="" reloadable="true" docBase="/home/xxx/public_html" debug="1" /> <Context path="/manager " debug="0" privileged="true" docBase="/usr/local/jakarta/tomcat/server/xxx/manager" /> </Host> |
| 23:36.02 | Hattori | i don't have a clue :( |
| 23:37.11 | evosh | Hmm... If the admin designated yyy.xxx.com, then surely he should have had a corresponding Host (Host name="yyy.xxx.com") in server.xml. |
| 23:37.32 | Hattori | he pasted us that config |
| 23:37.41 | Hattori | so i think there is not an entry like that |
| 23:37.45 | evosh | Or maybe yyy.xxx.com resolves to /home/xxx/public_html or perhaps /home/yyy/public_html! |
| 23:38.44 | Hattori | you think would be possible to access to yyy.xxx.com/manager/ if there is no yyy.xxx.com host set on server.xml? |
| 23:40.31 | evosh | Umm... I'm a total idiot so don't take my word for it, but that all depends on how Apache webserver passes on the requests to the Tomcat server. |
| 23:40.45 | Hattori | i see |
| 23:41.32 | evosh | From the configurations your admin given you, there is a redundancy between sepecifying appBase and docBase as they both point at the same location. |
| 23:42.12 | evosh | Your deployment comes from appBase + docBase. If docBase starts with "/" then appBase basically is ignorned if I'm not mistaken. |
| 23:43.19 | evosh | And as far as yyy.xxx.com being redirected to "xxx.com" when it's passed on to Tomcat, I don't know. I can't tell from the given information. |
| 23:51.49 | evosh | If Apache webserver wasn't present, you probably needed to add a Listener but that's not what you have ( http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-5.5-doc/config/host.html#User%20Web%20Applications ) |
| 23:52.37 | evosh | Ok, tell me where yyy.xxx.com come from? |
| 23:53.42 | Hattori | where what? |
| 23:53.55 | evosh | That virtual host, yyy.xxx.com. |
| 23:55.02 | Hattori | xxx stands for something, is not exactly "xxx". it could be "dog" "shit" "whatever".. |
| 23:55.13 | Hattori | was just to hide.. privacy stuff... |
| 23:55.17 | evosh | Yes, I know. |
| 23:56.21 | evosh | I was just wondering whether yyy.xxx.com and xxx.com both point to the same resource on the disk? |
| 23:57.01 | Hattori | i guess.. dunno man, i don't know why he used the yyy thing.. |
| 23:57.15 | Hattori | now untill monday i can't get in touch with him =\ |
| 23:57.48 | evosh | Hah, is this guy in your work place or school? |
| 23:58.48 | Hattori | no, he is in usa. we contact each other by eamil |
| 23:58.50 | Hattori | email |
| 23:59.29 | evosh | Unless there is some association between yyy.xxx.com and xxx.com in DNS level or Apache virtual hosts, then I suppose you do have to have a separate Host's for each virtual host. |
| 23:59.39 | evosh | What is his address, I'll go ask him. :) |
| 23:59.46 | Hattori | lol |
| 23:59.57 | Hattori | i already asked, monday i will get my answer ;} |