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| 00:17.54 | bblack | Anyone know if you can use pathInfo data with regular jsp pages, or do you have to use a servlet? |
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| 00:20.47 | bblack | i think the web.xml jsp servlet mapper would need to be changed (append a wildcard) but what i've tried either doesn't work, is an invalid match string, or tomcat tries to load the new (extended) filename. |
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| 07:37.36 | anojay | HI everyone |
| 07:38.58 | anojay | i have a question about tomcat 5.5 shutdown and threads that won't die |
| 07:42.35 | jasonb | anojay: Your webapp is causing it. |
| 07:43.33 | jasonb | anojay: Which exact version of Tomcat 5.5, which OS brand & version, which JVM brand & version? |
| 07:44.07 | anojay | i am useing 5.5.12 java 5<I am not sure> |
| 07:44.55 | anojay | there is no webapp, but i find when I comment out the AJP connector in server.xml other the server shuts down quickly |
| 07:44.56 | jasonb | anojay: OS brand & version? |
| 07:45.09 | anojay | RHeES 4 |
| 07:45.26 | jasonb | Type "java -version" and tell me what it says. |
| 07:46.22 | anojay | build 1.5.0_04-b05 |
| 07:46.33 | jasonb | From Sun? |
| 07:46.41 | anojay | yes |
| 07:46.42 | jasonb | Can you paste in the top two lines of that output? |
| 07:46.53 | anojay | Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_04-b05) |
| 07:46.53 | anojay | Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_04-b05, mixed mode, sharing) |
| 07:47.01 | jasonb | okay. |
| 07:47.08 | jasonb | Well, that all seems okay to me. |
| 07:47.21 | jasonb | How did you download and install TC 5.5.12? |
| 07:48.54 | anojay | the install is done by an ant script. a copy of 5.5.12 is placed into a users directory |
| 07:49.28 | jasonb | So are you pulling a copy of the release binary of TC 5.5.12 from apache.org and using that? |
| 07:50.00 | anojay | it is a local copy |
| 07:50.12 | jasonb | Where did this local copy come from originally? |
| 07:50.37 | anojay | the jakarata site |
| 07:50.46 | anojay | jakarta |
| 07:51.22 | anojay | the idea is when we have a new project, it gets its own user/instance |
| 07:52.01 | jasonb | Sure. |
| 07:52.10 | anojay | i do find that if I remove the AJP13 connector the server will shutdown |
| 07:52.16 | jasonb | Okay, so you're installing & using the release binary from apache.org. |
| 07:52.23 | anojay | yes |
| 07:53.00 | jasonb | Okay, so it could be that the AJP code is causing your problem. Either AJP or your webapp. Either one is suspect. We know that AJP is broken in plenty of ways. |
| 07:53.13 | anojay | do tell |
| 07:53.26 | anojay | i was not aware of that :( |
| 07:53.46 | jasonb | This is a recurring set of problems that I won't spend any more time on than I already have. Don't use AJP if you don't want to develop it. |
| 07:54.09 | anojay | may i ask, what do you use? |
| 07:54.16 | jasonb | I use Tomcat. |
| 07:54.21 | jasonb | I don't use Apache HTTPD. |
| 07:54.29 | anojay | directly? |
| 07:54.32 | anojay | ok |
| 07:54.44 | jasonb | If you absolutely must use Apache HTTPD, then use mod_proxy instead of mod_jk. |
| 07:55.10 | jasonb | Almost everyone who sends requests from Apache HTTPD to Tomcat doesn't need to, and shouldn't. |
| 07:56.34 | anojay | i wrte applications for cell phones and there is a bug in coytote httpd that the phones can't deal with |
| 07:56.43 | anojay | coyote |
| 07:56.55 | anojay | so we have to put something in front |
| 07:57.13 | jasonb | Well, it's open source, so you can fix it if you need to. |
| 07:57.46 | anojay | true |
| 07:57.56 | jasonb | Coyote httpd should be plenty compliant with the HTTP 1.1 spec, so if cell phones can't deal with it, that's not a bug in Coyote, it's a bug in the cell phones's implementation of the http client. |
| 07:58.08 | anojay | agreed |
| 07:58.42 | jasonb | If you find that there is truely a bug in coyote's http 1.1 implementation, then the Tomcat committers would love to hear about it (they are under the impression that it adheres to HTTP 1.1 100%). |
| 07:58.54 | anojay | but motorola is the offender, and i have to deal with the reality that there are millioins of motorola phones |
| 07:59.04 | jasonb | Either way you can fix your own copy pretty easily if you already know what causes the bug. |
| 07:59.28 | jasonb | Just make your coyote httpd do what you need it to do. |
| 07:59.51 | anojay | you are right |
| 08:00.04 | jasonb | Find the Java class where you would need to make a change, change it in there, and recompile just that one class against the release binary. |
| 08:00.21 | jasonb | Then, bundle the resulting .class file in the server/lib/ dir of your Tomcat. |
| 08:00.47 | jasonb | Doing this is *far* easier than getting AJP to work well enough. |
| 08:01.07 | anojay | understood. my hesitation is the robustness of the embedded httpd |
| 08:01.52 | jasonb | The coyote (pure-Java) httpd connector in Tomcat 5.5.12 and up is very robust.. plenty robust enough to use for production. |
| 08:02.06 | jasonb | Plus, it is as scalable as Apache HTTPD. |
| 08:02.56 | anojay | ok. that is very good to know. the additional configuration we have been doing may be unneccessary |
| 08:03.06 | jasonb | Sending all client requests through Apache HTTPD, then through mod_jk, then through the AJP connector, THEN into Tomcat is much slower than just sending them into Coyote HTTPD then into Tomcat. |
| 08:06.04 | anojay | in production we have some virtual hosting to deal with so apache isn't going to go away until we get a true load balancer |
| 08:07.08 | anojay | but it would be nice to get rid of it in our developement environment in the short term |
| 08:09.50 | anojay | thanks jasonb. i appreciate your comments |
| 08:10.47 | jasonb | anojay: You're welcome. |
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| 09:05.56 | draven | i'm getting 403 errors when i try to access my site; i'm using apache 1.3 the mod_jk connector and tomcat 5 |
| 09:06.14 | draven | what needs to be done to have permission to view it in a browser? |
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| 09:09.51 | linuxfreck | draven: depends, read apache httpd's error log |
| 09:13.53 | draven | linuxfreck, i'm not seeing anything, |
| 09:14.37 | linuxfreck | is it a 403 generated through tomcat or httpd then? |
| 09:15.09 | draven | Forbidden; You don't have permission to access / on this server. |
| 09:15.15 | draven | thats all the page is showing |
| 09:15.27 | draven | looks like apache |
| 09:16.41 | linuxfreck | then you're probably reading the wrong log file |
| 09:16.55 | draven | which log file do i need? |
| 09:17.02 | draven | i'm in /var/log/apache |
| 09:17.16 | linuxfreck | usually it's /var/log/apache/error_log |
| 09:17.45 | draven | i looked in the mod_jk.log, access_log, error_log |
| 09:18.18 | draven | all that error_log has is info for other sites in it |
| 09:20.27 | draven | if i go to view a picture on my site through the browser that will show up just fine, just no jsp pages will work |
| 09:23.18 | linuxfreck | do they work when you use the tomcat http server? |
| 09:24.29 | draven | i'm not following you on that, i can't bring down apache |
| 09:26.33 | linuxfreck | I just want you to check if your jsp pages work using tomcat only (it usually listens on port 8080) to find out whether it's an apache or a tomcat issue |
| 09:27.33 | draven | if i do www.foo.com:8080 it comes up with the jakarta congrats page with admin, manage and all those options |
| 09:27.53 | draven | when i compile the pages and run it locally it runs using tomcat |
| 09:29.09 | linuxfreck | why do you have to use apache http anyway? usually it's best to just use the tomcat http server |
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| 09:30.50 | draven | i would, but its not my server; and he has some stuff that tomcat supposedly can't handle, cgi stuff or perl or something |
| 09:33.18 | draven | linuxfreck, if i want tomcat to manage just my site i can put the needed information for it it in the server.xml file in the tomcat/conf/ can't i? |
| 09:39.53 | linuxfreck | you still need to connect apache and tomcat then |
| 09:40.16 | linuxfreck | you should use mod_proxy rather than mod_jk |
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| 15:29.18 | Snuff | I have some secured pages which are linking to unsecured pages. Is there a way to make the unsecured pages use http using relative URLs even when navigating from secured pages? |
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| 22:05.45 | jasonb | Happy New Year! |
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| 23:48.05 | Snuff | I have some secured pages which work ok through localhost but when I try to access them using a real URL through a virtual host they time out. Tomcat says this is limitation of SSL which must precede HTTP. How do work around this? |