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| 00:46.16 | jasonb | puff: ahh. |
| 01:08.14 | lyken | 'i hread voices, and they dont like you' |
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| 03:01.54 | omay | i'm trying to get a connecton from tomcat pool, but get the following: org.apache.tomcat.dbcp.dbcp.SQLNestedException: Cannot create JDBC driver of class '' for connect URL 'null' and ideas? |
| 03:01.59 | omay | it's a tomcat configuration problem, but i followed the instructions on http://jdbc.postgresql.org/documentation/80/tomcat.html |
| 03:02.14 | omay | http://rafb.net/paste/results/BVnCQ772.html there is my config file ($CATALINA_HOME/conf/server.xml) |
| 03:02.18 | omay | at line 226 |
| 03:06.06 | lyken | heh |
| 03:06.14 | lyken | i think im th eonly one in both channels :) |
| 03:07.29 | omay | lyken: not any more ^^ |
| 03:07.30 | lyken | oks checking out your conf |
| 03:07.32 | lyken | gimme a few :) |
| 03:07.41 | lyken | hehe |
| 03:08.24 | omay | i use tomce 5.5.9 |
| 03:08.56 | omay | and i had use the standart server.xml and put in the postgres stuff |
| 03:11.34 | lyken | oks |
| 03:12.16 | lyken | checking my local server.xml |
| 03:16.49 | lyken | hmmz |
| 03:17.27 | omay | :-\ |
| 03:18.18 | lyken | lemme try and edit this thing |
| 03:18.54 | lyken | im gonna make you a minimal server.xml |
| 03:18.58 | lyken | see if that works :) |
| 03:19.07 | omay | ok |
| 03:21.49 | lyken | just sifting through your old file |
| 03:21.54 | lyken | making sure im not missing anything :) |
| 03:27.08 | lyken | http://rafb.net/paste/results/HSWs4T43.html |
| 03:27.15 | lyken | i have to go to a meeting but try that |
| 03:27.31 | lyken | change what you need to :) |
| 03:27.35 | lyken | for username/pass host |
| 03:31.00 | omay | same error -.- |
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| 04:20.04 | lyken | hmmz |
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| 04:46.12 | draven | i want access logs for my site which is jsp, but i'm not seeing anything or errors, i'll post in a pastebin my web.xml file granted someone is around that can/will help |
| 04:46.43 | omay | lyken: puh, i solved it |
| 04:47.05 | omay | lyken: i put the resource tag into the context.xml of my web app and it worked -.- |
| 04:47.49 | draven | http://pastebin.com/393117 |
| 04:57.07 | lyken | omay: arh, cool |
| 04:58.53 | omay | now i have my old problem |
| 04:59.10 | omay | how to convert a String[] java array to postgres array :-/ |
| 04:59.46 | lyken | dont use arrays :) |
| 05:02.15 | omay | why not |
| 05:03.06 | omay | i user the db only over stored procedures, and there is no other way to tell the db about the data without an array |
| 05:03.08 | lyken | an array will usually represent a table.. |
| 05:04.09 | omay | e.g. i have a simple table: docs with document_id,title, authors_firstnams, and authos_firstnames is array of names |
| 05:05.00 | lyken | then you havent normalised the db then |
| 05:05.34 | omay | to normalise all till 5th form ist wrong |
| 05:06.03 | lyken | but why have an arrary of author names |
| 05:06.18 | lyken | is it never going to be possible to have the same author on different documents |
| 05:06.49 | omay | because i call a func like: save_my_doc(docnumber,title,authors_firstnames...) |
| 05:07.14 | lyken | the array will allow you to have data duplication |
| 05:07.18 | lyken | which you shouldnt be doing |
| 05:07.35 | omay | do you want to say an author can write only one document??? |
| 05:07.38 | omay | *g* |
| 05:08.02 | lyken | no |
| 05:08.10 | lyken | you have the document_id table |
| 05:08.16 | lyken | and you have an authors table |
| 05:08.25 | lyken | and then you have a M:N table that links authos to documents |
| 05:08.39 | omay | the tables are unimportend |
| 05:08.48 | omay | i must be able to call the funk |
| 05:08.55 | lyken | hmm |
| 05:09.03 | lyken | well that is just my understanding of a db |
| 05:09.06 | lyken | if you dont care about the data |
| 05:09.13 | omay | if i put the data then in extra table or in a array field is unimportant :) |
| 05:09.14 | lyken | why wre you even storing it in a database at all? |
| 05:09.22 | lyken | it is important |
| 05:09.28 | lyken | in an array field |
| 05:09.29 | omay | no |
| 05:09.31 | lyken | you will have data duplication |
| 05:09.36 | lyken | which is wrong |
| 05:09.38 | omay | my problem ist to call the procedure at this time |
| 05:10.03 | omay | and not how to save data :) |
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| 06:18.27 | draven | how do i set up my web.xml file for access logs to my site? |
| 06:18.57 | lyken | you might wanna check out the commented stuff in the server.xml |
| 06:19.01 | a4akb | use fly paper, all logs will stick to it |
| 06:19.03 | a4akb | yo lyken gm |
| 06:19.09 | lyken | heya |
| 06:19.26 | lyken | or |
| 06:19.26 | lyken | http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-5.5-doc/logging.html |
| 06:19.28 | lyken | read that |
| 06:19.39 | a4akb | sup lyk |
| 06:20.40 | draven | lyken, that looks to be for actual java errors |
| 06:21.15 | draven | lyken, i'm looking for an equiv to the apache access logs |
| 06:23.00 | lyken | the read your server.xml |
| 06:23.36 | draven | lyken, actually i'm using a shell account and don't have a copy, but i'm googling for one |
| 06:23.58 | lyken | well how did you expect to get help |
| 06:24.02 | lyken | if you dont ahve acecss to the server? |
| 06:25.23 | draven | from what i've read you can put it in the web.xml in the web_inf in the war file and it'll work just fine, i have access just not the perms to read that file |
| 06:27.08 | draven | ie read the server.xml file in the conf directory |
| 06:27.16 | lyken | yer |
| 06:27.26 | lyken | i always thought it was done at server level |
| 06:27.29 | lyken | not application level |
| 06:27.46 | draven | http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-5.0-doc/config/valve.html |
| 06:28.05 | draven | states it can be done at the application level if i'm reading it correctly |
| 06:28.15 | lyken | yer i just ofund that doc |
| 06:29.53 | lyken | A Valve element represents a component that will be inserted into the request processing pipeline for the associated Catalina container (Engine, Host, or Context). |
| 06:29.58 | lyken | which is the server.xml file |
| 06:30.32 | draven | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:32.42 | lyken | i duno sorry dude |
| 06:33.05 | draven | its alright |
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| 07:14.35 | a4akb | yo |
| 07:14.38 | a4akb | lyken |
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| 07:37.24 | draven | lyken, btw i figured it out, thanks for trying to help though, instead of putting the xml in web.xml it needed to go into context.xml in the META-INF folder |
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| 11:56.11 | chris1024 | hi, can anyone give me some pieces of advance concerning the big big problem i have with tomcat 5.x |
| 11:56.35 | chris1024 | because tomcat crashes regullary |
| 11:56.55 | chris1024 | and i don't know why |
| 11:57.29 | chris1024 | i have reviewed almost all newsgroups and www sites, hoping that they know my problem |
| 11:57.36 | chris1024 | but they don't |
| 11:58.35 | chris1024 | I am running tomcat 5.x on SuSE Linux Enterprise Server 8.0 |
| 11:58.47 | chris1024 | Kernel 2.4.xx |
| 11:59.12 | chris1024 | the tomcat Server is in a tomcat Cluster with one more tomcat server |
| 11:59.25 | chris1024 | Everything works fine |
| 11:59.53 | chris1024 | i request a site and tomcat sends it to me |
| 12:00.16 | chris1024 | but if tomcat runs 3 or 5 days it suddenly crashes |
| 12:01.03 | chris1024 | it runs some days and then it crashes |
| 12:01.41 | chris1024 | and i dont know why |
| 12:07.36 | linuxfreck | chris1024: upgrade to 5.5.12 and try again, a few bugs were fixed |
| 12:07.46 | linuxfreck | chris1024: do you have any log output when the crash happens? |
| 12:13.03 | chris1024 | yes i have |
| 12:13.28 | chris1024 | but it's not available for me at the moment to post |
| 12:13.48 | chris1024 | i found something in the 5.x bug database |
| 12:13.54 | chris1024 | right now |
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| 12:16.19 | chris1024 | linuxfreck: Do you know what changed were made that has got a relation to my problem? |
| 12:17.21 | linuxfreck | there were some memory leaks, and one issue with the session implementation that could cause crashes on very rare concurrent accesses |
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| 14:28.00 | deuterium | #jakarta |
| 14:28.04 | deuterium | sry |
| 14:28.38 | lyken | heh |
| 14:28.43 | lyken | there is a jakarta channel? |
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| 14:55.15 | roel- | I'm running tomcat (5.5.7) as a part of netbeans, when I give the load-on-startup parameter to a servlet, I see that its init function is run twice on startup, with two different servletcontexts.. how come? |
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| 15:20.52 | cilquirm | roel-: is it mapped twice? |
| 15:24.17 | puff | Morning. |
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| 15:56.56 | adrian_one | hi i need some help, who know hoy to create a context.xml file inside of META-INF folder |
| 15:57.04 | adrian_one | message me please |
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| 16:57.56 | roel- | cilquirm: the first one is also destroy()-ed |
| 16:58.08 | roel- | it's mapped once as far as I can see |
| 17:00.32 | roel- | cilquirm: when I remove the load-on-startup, and call the servlet by hand, the init is just called once |
| 17:15.54 | cilquirm | roel-: place an exception and print the stack trace to see what is calling it |
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| 19:48.55 | lassoguy | chatty room :\ |
| 19:52.25 | vinse | if you want aimless chatting try a more general channel |
| 19:52.33 | vinse | like #java or #perl or #web |
| 19:55.54 | snibril | or #noclue :) |
| 19:56.29 | vinse | that's not a real channel! |
| 19:56.32 | vinse | i just checked |
| 20:00.12 | lassoguy | where do I set the admin usename and password for tomcat administrration? |
| 20:00.22 | lassoguy | I thought it asked during install...but didn't |
| 20:07.47 | puff | lassoguy: Have you checked this site: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site%3Ajakarta.apache.org+tomcat+manager+password&btnG=Google+Search |
| 20:11.36 | lassoguy | thanks puff |
| 20:17.04 | lassoguy | now I get: "The requested resource (/admin/j_security_check) is not available." |
| 20:22.41 | lassoguy | Oh well. It's friday |
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| 20:32.48 | tmctUser | test ... |
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| 20:35.32 | Cow_woC | hi |
| 20:35.44 | Cow_woC | What is the difference between the Tomcat admin webapp and the Tomcat deployer webapp? |
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| 20:38.15 | jasonb | Cow_woC: The manager is a simplified HTTP interface to start/stop/restart/deploy/undeploy webapps. The admin webapp is a fancy, featureful webapp that shows a very human friendly web interface for configuring Tomcat, and managing webapps. |
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| 20:41.04 | bright | hello! Can I somehow turn on port monitoring in tomcat? |
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| 20:41.58 | snibril | what's port m.? |
| 20:44.08 | bright | I actually don't know. But I am using a webservice development toolkit and this complains about not beeing able to monitor the messages that are passed to tomcat and out of it, because of port monitoring turned off... |
| 20:44.12 | bright | do you have any idea |
| 20:44.13 | bright | ? |
| 20:44.44 | bright | or can it be anyhow related to apache axis in combination with tomcat? |
| 20:59.41 | snibril | http://www.networkintrusion.co.uk/switch.htm |
| 20:59.50 | snibril | it has nothing to do with tomcat really |
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| 21:07.10 | Cow_woC | jasonb: so "deployer" == "manager" webapp? |
| 21:07.25 | Cow_woC | and does admin depend on deployer? or is it independant? |
| 21:09.03 | jasonb | deployer == manager client software. |
| 21:10.08 | jasonb | deployer can't use admin. Admin is only used by people.. unless someone goes out of their way to make a really weird client for it, which would be pointless considering all of the admin's features are simply callable via JMX. |
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| 21:21.20 | Cow_woC | ok, thanks |
| 21:22.39 | jasonb | Cow_woC: You're welcome. |
| 21:27.44 | puff | jasonb: Callable via JMX? |
| 21:28.20 | puff | jasonb: Off topic, but I've never really looked into JMX... is it just an in-JVM means of hookng into admin functions, or does it include some sort of network protocol? |
| 21:36.19 | jasonb | puff: JMX used to only be an intra-VM API for generically looking up a component and setting property values on it and calling methods on it. But, it's far more useful if you can use those features remotely (from another JVM for example), so since the original spec didn't implement any protocol, everyone made their own custom, incompatible ones. :) |
| 21:37.19 | jasonb | puff: Then, around the introduction/finalization of JMX 1.2, Sun also introduced a new API called the JMX Remote API.. and that spec did standardize how protocols would interface with JMX. |
| 21:38.11 | jasonb | puff: So, as it stands today, doing remote JMX is a standardized thing to do, so that implementations can stay compatible. |
| 21:39.09 | jasonb | puff: Plus, the standard does not force anyone to use any particular protocol for doing remote JMX. It's specified in a way to have pluggable protocol implementations on both ends (both ends have to match for communication to work though). |
| 21:40.11 | jasonb | puff: What does the junit.swingui package implement? A way to automate Swing GUI testing? |
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| 21:43.49 | puff | No, just a GUI for swing testing. The ant task doesn't seem to give me enough detail as to what exactly happened when a test fails. |
| 21:44.01 | puff | I'm not very experienced with junit; people who are, seem to be telling me that the gui will give more useful output. |
| 21:44.34 | puff | However, the ant build file sets up the classpath, jars, etc, to make the build work, so I need to either recreate that crap outside ant to invoke junit manually, or build some sort of <java> task to run the junit gui. |
| 21:45.17 | puff | jasonb: Btw, thank you for the jmx explanation, it was vastly more illuminating than the eight or so times I spent half an hour trying to find out what the heck JMX _does_ (as opposed to what it's for :-). |
| 21:46.29 | jasonb | puff: Heh!! Yes. I had it even worse. The docs really are vague, and you have to read too many of them to piece together the real story of what features it implements and standardizes. I had to learn it fast in order to implement something, and that was not easy. |
| 21:47.03 | jasonb | puff: The good news is: once you know what it is and what it does, it implements those things quite nicely, and just about all the features you need it to have are already there, and well designed. |
| 21:47.15 | puff | I'm really a believer in the IETF standards process... |
| 21:47.19 | jasonb | puff: It's not the easiest API, but it's extremely flexible. |
| 21:47.33 | puff | Specifically, they require a reference implementation before a standard can become a standard. |
| 21:47.55 | puff | I think a similar principle should be applied to explanations of technologies/products :-). |
| 21:48.16 | puff | Though I have to say, sun/java specs are miles ahead of most others. But they're still kinda vague sometimes. |
| 21:48.45 | jasonb | puff: Did you know about mx4j? A purely OSS implementation of both JMX and JMX Remote.. it's great. But, then again, JDK 1.5 has that stuff in the core now. Heh. |
| 21:48.58 | puff | Ah, cool. |
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| 21:49.30 | jasonb | There was a very long period of time early on where I didn't understand what JMX was meant to do.. luckily, during that time I didn't need it, plus it wasn't mature yet. |
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| 21:51.03 | puff | I always "got" the general idea that it was supposed to help with building application management stuff, but wtf that meant was always pretty opaque. |
| 21:51.26 | puff | Thrashing the semantics. |
| 21:52.42 | jasonb | That's a very generally named purpose.. general enough to be ambiguous. |
| 21:53.42 | puff | My favorite example of this syndrome is broadvision. |
| 21:53.56 | puff | Try and figure out what broadvision is via google, web, etc. |
| 21:53.57 | puff | Good luck. |
| 21:54.10 | jasonb | heh |
| 21:54.29 | puff | As luck would have it, when I was trying to figure it out, somebody emailed me out of the blue on an entirely unrelated topic, from broadvision. |
| 21:54.49 | jasonb | Some products named like that, I never bother to look at what it does. |
| 21:54.51 | puff | Asking me if I ever got an answer to a mailing list question from years ago. |
| 21:55.06 | jasonb | heh! |
| 21:55.08 | puff | Well, in this case my company was negotiating a deal with a company that was talking about migrating their product to broadvision. |
| 21:55.33 | puff | So I answered the broadvision guy's question and then said, "By the way, I notice from your email address..." |
| 21:55.51 | puff | So he gave me a one paragraph description that answered all my questions. |
| 21:56.41 | puff | Btw, broadvision is basically a server-side javascript app built on top of a java component that then uses CORBA to talk to a proprietary oracle schema. |
| 21:56.51 | puff | In case you ever need to know :-). |
| 21:57.15 | puff | Or, at least, it was five years ago. |
| 21:57.27 | jasonb | That's what happens when the marketeers control the product's web site 100%. Nobody can figure out what it is nor what it does. |
| 21:59.10 | puff | Vignette StoryServer, on the other hand, was (five or six years ago) a netscape plug-in that adds a TCL interpretrer as an alternative to javascript, plus some funky TCL extensions to do template building and caching them in temporary files, all of that then built on top of an oracle schema containing the templates and content, as well as a workflow UI on that schema. |
| 21:59.25 | puff | Er, netscape server plug-in. |
| 22:00.06 | puff | Oh, of a very old, obsolete version of TCL (version 7.3, last I heard). |
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| 22:03.04 | jasonb | puff: Wow. TCL is kind of like the wooly mammoth. It was extinct, and some people liked it just enough to try to bring it back from extinction somehow. They're still trying. :) |
| 22:03.51 | puff | Heh. |
| 22:04.03 | puff | Well, the TCL crowd in general despise the vignette people. |
| 22:04.21 | jasonb | That will help to keep TCL extinct. :) |
| 22:04.22 | puff | I know an ardent TCL fan, though he's mainly a C hacker. |
| 22:04.47 | puff | He reminds me a lot of the LISPers. TCL reminds me a bit of LISP, too, though I can't say I ever really grokked either of those. |
| 22:05.35 | puff | Hm, wtf? |
| 22:05.36 | puff | java.sql.SQLException: Communications link failure during commit(). Transaction resolution unknown. |
| 22:05.40 | puff | That's a new one on me. |
| 22:06.20 | jasonb | Maybe a server process failed? Which db are you using? |
| 22:16.33 | puff | mysql. |
| 22:16.48 | puff | I'm checking into it a bit now... seems to indicate that the connection was shut from the database end. |
| 22:21.21 | puff | Hm, well, this was on our test server, so any number of things could have caused it. |
| 22:21.33 | puff | Especially because we've been pounding on it today. |
| 22:21.45 | puff | Could have been as simple as somebody restarting mysql out from under tomca.t |
| 22:25.41 | puff | Hm, now this is an interesting discussion of that topic: http://forums.mysql.com/read.php?39,16257,35037#msg-35037 |
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