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| 00:57.58 | JavaGeek | anyone around? |
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| 02:25.42 | dorileo | hi all... |
| 02:25.47 | dorileo | anybody around? |
| 02:26.39 | dorileo | I would like to know if tomcat does hot-deploy a context using a war file as docbase? |
| 02:26.52 | dorileo | I'm using tomcat-4.1.31 |
| 02:27.44 | dorileo | I gessed it would but, as far as I can see it is not doing |
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| 03:05.55 | dorileo | does anybody know about this? |
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| 03:28.17 | esac_ | im installing zeus and testing it, whenever i try to start a virtual server it says it had problems connecting to localhost:9080 (the control port for zeus). i can't seem to fix this. any ideas ? |
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| 03:51.01 | jasonb | esac_: Zeus?? This is #tomcat. :) |
| 03:51.13 | lyken | heh |
| 03:52.41 | lyken | i had to google for it |
| 03:52.54 | jasonb | It's a web server that competed with Apache (and lost) |
| 03:53.01 | lyken | heh |
| 03:56.21 | esac_ | actually zeus is the highest performance web server .. it just costs more than even IIS |
| 03:56.47 | lyken | but what has that got to do with tomcat? |
| 03:57.20 | esac_ | i dont know, i just figured id ask though in case somebody knew |
| 03:57.35 | esac_ | there is no #zeus |
| 03:58.32 | lyken | lol |
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| 03:58.47 | lyken | thats like going to a linux channel for help about windows 95 |
| 03:59.25 | vinse | http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050410/news_1n10signs.html |
| 03:59.31 | vinse | i love that sign |
| 04:00.20 | vinse | either of you guys know anything about Wicket? |
| 04:00.55 | esac_ | jasonb: well sounds like i'll have to find out eventually since i have to test the performance of all web servers |
| 04:01.39 | lyken | vinse: ROFL, i have a photo of that sign |
| 04:01.47 | lyken | not me vinse |
| 04:02.42 | vinse | lyken: i have a picture of my and friends next to that sign posing like we're about to sprint across |
| 04:02.55 | lyken | haha |
| 04:03.22 | dorileo | hi all |
| 04:03.26 | vinse | hello |
| 04:03.27 | jasonb | vinse: I saw one of those signs while driving toward the Mexican border near San Diego. I laughed really hard the first time I saw it, and I have tried several times to get pictures of it but failed each time. :) |
| 04:03.31 | dorileo | I would like to know if tomcat does hot-deploy a context using a war file as docbase? |
| 04:03.49 | vinse | jasonb: they have them by the border and then by the checkpoint near camp pendelton |
| 04:04.08 | vinse | i lived in sd for like 6 years |
| 04:04.13 | lyken | vinse: thing is though, im an aussie, so its a big deal for me to have a photo of a road sign on the other side of the world :) |
| 04:04.25 | jasonb | heh |
| 04:04.33 | vinse | that's one of the world's best roadsigns though |
| 04:06.03 | vinse | hehe |
| 04:07.01 | lyken | heh |
| 04:07.26 | dorileo | can anybody provide me a little information about tomcat's deployment system? |
| 04:07.44 | vinse | yes |
| 04:07.47 | vinse | jasonb can! |
| 04:07.50 | vinse | i can try though |
| 04:07.52 | lyken | lol |
| 04:07.54 | vinse | what's your question? |
| 04:08.01 | lyken | ill sit back and take notes |
| 04:10.20 | dorileo | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:11.54 | dorileo | vinse: do you know? |
| 04:11.58 | vinse | i'm not sure what hot-deploy means ... you mean will it reload a runnign webapp when the war file changes? if it's being run from the webapp and not the expanded directory? |
| 04:12.38 | dorileo | vinse: yeah will it be reloaded if I'm using a war file? |
| 04:13.01 | dorileo | by now it's webapp/grode/grode.war |
| 04:13.05 | dorileo | ops |
| 04:13.10 | dorileo | webapps/grode/grode.war |
| 04:13.14 | dorileo | ;-) |
| 04:13.21 | vinse | dorileo: i'm not sure, i stay away from using war files except for actual deployment |
| 04:13.40 | vinse | dorileo: is this for dev? if so, why are you using the war file? |
| 04:14.49 | dorileo | vinse: no it's not for dev, but I would expect to be reloadeable cause my app can eventually change |
| 04:15.28 | dorileo | vinse: and I don't wanna care to stop and start tomcat everytime I make changes in app |
| 04:15.47 | dorileo | vinse: right;-? |
| 04:15.53 | vinse | If the host "autoDeploy" property is true, the host will attempt to deploy and update web applications dynamically, as needed. The host will need to have background processing enabled for automatic reloading to work, which is the default. |
| 04:15.53 | vinse | This includes: Redeployment of a web application which has been deployed from a WAR when the WAR is updated: the expanded web application is removed, and the WAR is expanded again. This will not happen if the host is configured so that WARs are not expanded, in which case the webapp will be simply redeployed. |
| 04:15.59 | vinse | this what you're talking about? |
| 04:16.07 | vinse | i dont know that's 100% accurate though |
| 04:16.18 | vinse | like i dont think it's true for the root webapp |
| 04:16.43 | vinse | http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-5.5-doc/deployer-howto.html |
| 04:17.15 | dorileo | ok, execuse me vinse but I'm working with 4.1.31 ;-( |
| 04:17.26 | vinse | i dont think that behavior has changed in a while |
| 04:18.43 | dorileo | ok good... thanks vinse |
| 04:18.44 | dorileo | I'll read the document you pointed me |
| 04:19.23 | vinse | hmm |
| 04:19.27 | vinse | it may not be that way on 4.1 |
| 04:20.55 | vinse | if i could find jasonb's book i could tell your for sure! |
| 04:21.00 | vinse | my place is such a mess though :x |
| 04:21.27 | dorileo | ;-) |
| 04:22.35 | vinse | cant find it |
| 04:24.44 | dorileo | ok, I'll try to understand it later ;-) thanks btw |
| 04:25.02 | vinse | i'm sure jasonb will correct me when he checks the channel next |
| 04:25.15 | vinse | so check back here, it may be hours, but he'll probably respond |
| 04:26.15 | dorileo | ok, so the name is jasonb. he's the man ;-) |
| 04:26.24 | vinse | he is indeed |
| 04:26.54 | vinse | he wrote http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0596003188/103-3208923-2226250?v=glance |
| 04:29.22 | dorileo | 180 pages. I gess it's enough for tomcat ;-) |
| 04:29.36 | JavaGeek | how would I init a taglibrary (I need to do some setup stuff only once)? |
| 04:30.24 | vinse | JavaGeek: set up a servlet that runs on server startup |
| 04:34.28 | vinse | JavaGeek: http://eugeneciurana.com/pastebin/pastebin.php?show=7957 |
| 04:34.51 | vinse | JavaGeek: something like that in your web.xml. the init() method of that servlet will get run at server startup |
| 04:34.58 | vinse | JavaGeek: so you can put the initialization code there |
| 04:35.58 | vinse | JavaGeek: err, application startup i guess is more correct |
| 04:36.11 | JavaGeek | vinse: cool, thx |
| 04:36.49 | JavaGeek | and that will only be called once, right? |
| 04:38.43 | vinse | JavaGeek: http://java.sun.com/products/servlet/2.2/javadoc/index.html |
| 04:38.54 | vinse | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:39.09 | vinse | JavaGeek: so, yes |
| 04:39.20 | JavaGeek | vinse: actually, I'm using servlet 2.4 (jsp 2.0), but I get the point :) |
| 04:39.42 | vinse | :) |
| 04:40.23 | JavaGeek | btw, doing a taglibrary on jsp 2.0 is no walk in the park |
| 04:40.39 | JavaGeek | for starters, there's little information other than the specs |
| 04:40.49 | JavaGeek | no tutorials, no books, no nothing |
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| 04:41.32 | PHiBeR-InfiNium | does anyone know why i can only access my tomcat server whe ni type http: before address in IE |
| 04:42.40 | JavaGeek | because IE sucks? :) |
| 04:43.06 | vinse | PHiBeR-InfiNium: wow same here |
| 04:43.16 | vinse | http://localhost works |
| 04:43.22 | vinse | if i type localhost |
| 04:43.26 | vinse | it changes it to just "local" |
| 04:43.47 | vinse | and then gives me "page cannot be displayed" |
| 04:43.49 | vinse | wierd |
| 04:45.04 | vinse | 127.0.0.1 works in firefox, but not in ie also |
| 04:45.11 | vinse | firefox adds the http though |
| 04:45.51 | PHiBeR-InfiNium | yea |
| 04:46.01 | PHiBeR-InfiNium | and thats hwy use apache |
| 04:46.17 | PHiBeR-InfiNium | hail to mozilla |
| 04:46.47 | vinse | ok i think it's because ie is also able to be used on your local director |
| 04:47.02 | vinse | type a directory path w/o the file:: prefix |
| 04:47.05 | vinse | works in ie and not in ff |
| 04:47.18 | vinse | ff assumes http if no protocol specified, ie does not |
| 04:47.21 | vinse | that's my guess |
| 04:48.11 | PHiBeR-InfiNium | interesting |
| 04:49.01 | PHiBeR-InfiNium | damn hate windows |
| 04:51.53 | PHiBeR-InfiNium | so whats the difference between apache and tomcat |
| 05:13.49 | JavaGeek | mmm... there are so many ways to write a simple tag |
| 05:26.35 | jasonb | dorileo: Our book is not 180 pages. Amazon is wrong (it often is). |
| 05:26.44 | jasonb | dorileo: Our book is over 300 pages. |
| 05:27.32 | jasonb | dorileo: Also, yes, TC 4.1 can do deployment like what you're asking about for just a war file. For TC 4.1, they support all the same features for both war files and unpacked webapp dirs. |
| 05:29.02 | vinse | told you he'd answer ;) |
| 05:33.47 | crackhead | anyone awake? |
| 05:33.58 | crackhead | help |
| 05:34.02 | crackhead | I need somebody |
| 05:34.03 | crackhead | help |
| 05:34.07 | crackhead | not just anybody |
| 05:34.11 | crackhead | help |
| 05:34.19 | vinse | just ask omg |
| 05:34.26 | crackhead | hehe |
| 05:34.28 | crackhead | sorry |
| 05:34.40 | vinse | oh you were doing the beatles |
| 05:34.44 | vinse | still |
| 05:34.46 | vinse | dont do that! |
| 05:34.50 | crackhead | anyone know what this car is: http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0317740/Ss/0317740/IJ-2ND-C1071-12.jpg?path=gallery&path_key=0317740 |
| 05:34.55 | vinse | ... |
| 05:34.58 | crackhead | ok |
| 05:35.13 | crackhead | :) |
| 05:35.14 | vinse | it's a morris mini minor |
| 05:35.22 | crackhead | aaah |
| 05:35.26 | crackhead | mini cooper |
| 05:35.37 | crackhead | it was driving me crazy |
| 05:35.44 | crackhead | thanks! |
| 05:35.47 | vinse | http://www.mini.co.uk/ |
| 05:36.07 | vinse | they used to be called mini minors! |
| 05:36.10 | vinse | or something like that |
| 05:36.13 | vinse | my dad had one in the 70s |
| 05:36.22 | vinse | the minor may have been even smaller than the cooper |
| 05:36.48 | vinse | http://www.modernracer.com/classics/morrisminiminoraustin.html |
| 05:36.54 | crackhead | hmmmm |
| 05:38.52 | crackhead | ok |
| 05:38.55 | crackhead | time for bed |
| 05:39.00 | crackhead | later vinse |
| 05:39.38 | JavaGeek | ok, now i'm confused... |
| 05:40.35 | JavaGeek | in jsp 2.0, do I need to write code for EL inside a custom tag, or does the jsp container do the evaluations? |
| 05:41.55 | jasonb | JavaGeek: The JSP 2.0 implementation does the evaluations. You can place the expressions in any JSP attribute value I believe. |
| 05:42.32 | JavaGeek | jasonb: so, I don't need to evaluate them myself? |
| 05:42.34 | jasonb | JavaGeek: Tomcat has an examples webapp. See the TC 5.5 examples in there for some good examples of what you can do with it. |
| 05:42.44 | jasonb | JavaGeek: Nope. |
| 05:43.06 | jasonb | JavaGeek: That's all done automatically by the JSP implementation. |
| 05:43.24 | vinse | i <3 el |
| 05:43.30 | dorileo | jasonb: thanks |
| 05:43.41 | JavaGeek | jasonb: ah, excellent |
| 05:43.41 | jasonb | JavaGeek: It compiles down to servlet code at JSP compilation time, and then the expression is evaluated at JSP render time. |
| 05:43.50 | jasonb | dorileo: You're welcome. |
| 05:44.03 | jasonb | vinse: Have you ever heard of static initializers? |
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| 05:44.28 | JavaGeek | jasonb: do you know any good reference to start doing jsp 2.0 tag libraries? most of the tutorials/books/etc on the net are for 1.2 |
| 05:44.33 | vinse | jasonb: like a static block outside of the methods in a class? |
| 05:44.51 | jasonb | vinse: Yes.. AKA "class initializer". |
| 05:45.08 | vinse | jasonb: havent used one in a long time, but sure |
| 05:46.14 | jasonb | JavaGeek: Well, personally I pick apart the examples because there are lots of good samples in there. But, also, the JSP 2.0 spec has lots of great info as well.. |
| 05:46.59 | JavaGeek | mmm... I don't have the examples installed |
| 05:47.17 | jasonb | vinse: Sometimes that's an even better place for a class to do one-time singleton kind of initialization.. as opposed to doing it in an init method of a servlet. Especially if your class isn't a servlet to begin with. |
| 05:48.03 | jasonb | JavaGeek: They're a great source, you should try those out and examine the JSP source of some that do some of what you're wanting to do. |
| 05:48.35 | vinse | jasonb: will that guarantee that it's done at server startup? |
| 05:48.39 | vinse | jasonb: what's the advantage? |
| 05:48.56 | vinse | hmm i guess it's gauranteed to be done before the class is instantiated |
| 05:49.04 | vinse | so never mind the first question |
| 05:49.14 | jasonb | vinse: It's not executed at any server startup time. It's executed at classloading time. Yeah. |
| 05:49.38 | JavaGeek | jasonb: ok, i will... thx |
| 05:49.49 | jasonb | vinse: That way, it's also kind of lazy initialization.. which people often like. |
| 05:49.59 | jasonb | JavaGeek: No prob. |
| 05:51.00 | jasonb | vinse: All kinds of really fun stuff can be accomplished with static initializers. :) |
| 05:52.24 | vinse | jasonb: for singleton instantiation, i usually make the classes abstract and have a static init method ... often private and called when the public method is first called, so i acheive lazy instantiation that way ... what's the advantage of static initializers? |
| 05:52.43 | vinse | jasonb: they suck to debug! |
| 05:53.06 | vinse | with things like log4j anyway |
| 05:53.43 | vinse | i'm not arguing, just curious :) |
| 05:53.53 | jasonb | vinse: Well, heh.. they're not all that bad to debug once you get used to working with them. :) One advantage is: nothing has to call them at all. |
| 05:54.23 | vinse | hmm that's a decent point |
| 05:54.28 | jasonb | vinse: Plus, there's no protection scope.. since nothing else can call it. :) |
| 05:54.55 | vinse | my method can get a lot of repititive "if (foo == null) " checks if there's a lot of public methods |
| 05:55.02 | jasonb | vinse: Plus, it's lazy initialization by default, as long as you want that to happen in a singleton fashion. |
| 05:55.36 | vinse | ok good points! |
| 05:56.02 | jasonb | It's an underused part of the Java language, IMO. |
| 05:56.17 | jasonb | And, it has a few benefits. |
| 05:57.23 | jasonb | Another cool thing about it is: using it means that everyone has to learn how it works! :) |
| 06:11.18 | vinse | jasonb: what if, for example, a servlet wants to access the ServletConfig object ... that's generally why i use the init method, no way to access taht in a static initializer is there? |
| 06:13.52 | jasonb | vinse: There is, but it's very hard to do. :) |
| 06:14.18 | jasonb | vinse: There are certainly cases where the static initializer isn't the place to put the code. |
| 06:16.14 | jasonb | I haven't tested it with the SecurityManager running, so it may work then as well, but maybe not. |
| 06:17.37 | vinse | hmm |
| 06:17.42 | jasonb | I've been contemplating writing a library to make it easier for webapp authors to use Tomcat internals.. a new API for that. I haven't done it yet though.. and plain JMX suffices for most things right now. |
| 06:18.54 | vinse | how do you do it? |
| 06:19.12 | jasonb | A good magician never reveals his secrets. :) |
| 06:19.22 | vinse | heh |
| 06:19.44 | JavaGeek | aha! found a better solution for initializing my taglib |
| 06:20.35 | jasonb | The truth is that there are enough static methods in Tomcat's objects that a webapp class can climb the reference hierarchy via reflection and get references to pretty much everything. |
| 06:20.57 | jasonb | But, just barely. |
| 06:21.52 | vinse | ah |
| 06:22.14 | jasonb | I wish there was a program that shows what object references one can obtain (and how) from any method.. like a tree view. That would rock. |
| 06:22.19 | JavaGeek | is that a bad thing? :) |
| 06:22.29 | jasonb | JavaGeek: It might be. |
| 06:22.54 | vinse | if it could be used to subvert the SecurityManager then it is |
| 06:23.05 | vinse | that would suprise me though |
| 06:23.17 | jasonb | JavaGeek: I'm thinking it is, but I'm not sure. If the Tomcat committers are unaware of it, I'd be somewhat surprised. |
| 06:23.53 | JavaGeek | but there are security managers to avoid that, right? |
| 06:24.07 | jasonb | I'm saying I have no idea at this point if it can be used to get around any part of the SecurityManager. I actually don't care either way there since almost nobody runs Tomcat with the SecurityManager turned on. |
| 06:24.23 | JavaGeek | security policies to avoid such problems |
| 06:25.34 | vinse | jasonb: you arent saying you could use methods like that to access objects in other webapps on teh same tomcat server are you? |
| 06:25.38 | jasonb | If I had to guess, I'd guess that my way of getting those references isn't covered by the default security policy (in the catalina.policy file). But, I haven't spent time checking that out either. |
| 06:25.51 | jasonb | vinse: I am indeed! |
| 06:26.08 | vinse | jasonb: ok, then yeah that's not really a good thing! |
| 06:26.51 | jasonb | vinse: I'm saying I can get references to the top of the Tomcat object hierarchy, and from in there I can work my way into the graph via reflection to get references to just about anything that is directly or indirectly managed by Tomcat. |
| 06:27.23 | vinse | that seems really bad in fact |
| 06:27.26 | vinse | for like |
| 06:27.28 | vinse | shared hosting |
| 06:27.49 | jasonb | vinse: I realize that's not what they intended. I'm just not sure they don't realize this obscure loophole exists. Sometimes developers know there are holes, and pretty much know where they are, but don't have time to care. :) |
| 06:28.14 | jasonb | vinse: And, if the security manager actually prevents my code from working, then they're covered as far as they're concerned. That may be the case. |
| 06:28.32 | jasonb | vinse: But, still, most people don't use the security manager. :) |
| 06:30.09 | vinse | jasonb: even admins of tomcat when it's used for shared hosting? |
| 06:30.44 | jasonb | vinse: Some smart admins who are doing shared hosting really do run the security manager. That's as close as you can get to real security for that. |
| 06:31.06 | jasonb | vinse: But, many don't know what the security manager is, so they don't turn it on, and it's not on by default. |
| 06:32.34 | vinse | that's a little unsettling |
| 06:32.54 | JavaGeek | my host uses vps, so they don't need to worry :) |
| 06:38.23 | jasonb | vps? |
| 06:39.40 | vinse | virtual private servers? |
| 06:40.35 | jasonb | ahh. |
| 06:40.59 | vinse | that's a guess |
| 06:41.08 | jasonb | Welp.. I'm heading to bed. G'night guys. Don't have nightmares about what I've described above. :) |
| 06:41.34 | vinse | i'm gonna try to figure out how it works :) |
| 06:41.35 | vinse | night |
| 06:45.10 | JavaGeek | w00t! my first custom tag is working :) |
| 06:53.09 | vinse | grats ;) |
| 07:39.17 | JavaGeek | ok, time to hit the sack |
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| 17:53.03 | a4akb | h |
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| 17:53.17 | a4akb | 0o |
| 17:53.30 | a4akb | 0ibot yo |
| 17:53.44 | a4akb | ibot yo |
| 17:53.47 | ibot | Yo wazzaaaap my brotha?! |
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| 18:22.34 | jasonb | For anyone using TC 5.0 & 5.5: a stability bug was recently found that isn't fixed yet that could cause infinite looping in request threads. Code fixes available here: http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=36594 |
| 18:23.09 | a4akb | nobody here jasonb except u n me |
| 18:23.32 | jasonb | nah, people are lurking. |
| 18:23.43 | a4akb | lolk |
| 18:24.36 | a4akb | jasonb r ur pms on |
| 18:25.39 | jasonb | damn. thanks. |
| 18:25.59 | jasonb | I hate that. |
| 18:26.14 | a4akb | lol |
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| 18:59.41 | skrebbel | sorry for asking what's probably a very stupid question, but how can i set tomcat to serve files from a different documentroot directory? (on windows, local testing setup only) |
| 19:01.21 | skrebbel | or something similar |
| 19:04.58 | linuxfreck | skrebbel: <Context docBase="path/to/the/docroot" path="" /> in the Host Element of server.xml |
| 19:05.38 | skrebbel | ahh so server.xml *does* get read? it's called an "example file" :) |
| 19:06.09 | linuxfreck | heh, it does :) |
| 19:06.50 | skrebbel | sweet. |
| 19:11.15 | jasonb | skrebbel: The default server.xml file that comes with Tomcat has example configuration in it to demonstrate how some things may be configured. |
| 19:12.10 | jasonb | skrebbel: But, server.xml is actually the main config file for Tomcat. It can't run without one. |
| 19:13.02 | skrebbel | ok then |
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| 19:18.07 | skrebbel | hm ok so eh. now it works, but it doesn't seem to recognise my webapp anymore.. |
| 19:18.10 | skrebbel | (yes, i moved that along) |
| 19:19.45 | linuxfreck | skrebbel: ah, so you want to have webapps _inside_ the document root? |
| 19:20.00 | skrebbel | yeps, but i sortof figured it out, and even got the point |
| 19:20.17 | linuxfreck | skrebbel: in that case change the appBase attribute in the Host element and remove the context tag again |
| 19:20.20 | skrebbel | had to simply move the whole Host |
| 19:20.21 | skrebbel | yeah |
| 19:20.24 | linuxfreck | ok |
| 19:20.32 | skrebbel | and i think i'm sortof even getting the point |
| 19:20.37 | skrebbel | thanks for the plugs! |
| 19:21.54 | linuxfreck | np |
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| 19:56.12 | strobedream | hello |
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| 19:57.58 | linuxfreck | hi strobedream |
| 19:58.35 | strobedream | what exactly does apache_ant do in the install of gomcat? |
| 19:58.37 | strobedream | tomcat? |
| 19:59.13 | linuxfreck | I suppose you're talking about the source package? |
| 19:59.29 | linuxfreck | if that is the case, use the binary instead. you don't need ant then |
| 19:59.34 | strobedream | hmm |
| 19:59.38 | strobedream | I was just wondering |
| 19:59.47 | linuxfreck | but ant is a replacement for the make tool |
| 20:00.08 | strobedream | Ok so their just using ant as a way to compile the java |
| 20:00.19 | strobedream | or is tomcat written in C++? |
| 20:00.26 | strobedream | wow that would be bad. |
| 20:01.02 | linuxfreck | tomcat is mostly in java |
| 20:01.34 | strobedream | ok thats what I thought |
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| 20:52.49 | jasonb | strobedream: Tomcat itself is 100% pure Java. |
| 20:53.40 | jasonb | strobedream: Ant does more than Make did. It is also used in the JSP implementation inside of Tomcat for some things.. so ant actually is a part of Tomcat as well as the tool used to build Tomcat. |
| 20:56.29 | jasonb | strobedream: Oh, and it's also used in the stand-alone Tomcat deployer program. |
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| 21:03.56 | dorileo | jasonb: is there other editions of "Tomcat: definitive guide" that covers the newest versions? |
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| 22:31.45 | jasonb | dorileo: I'm working on one. It won't be available until next year though. |
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