| 00:01.21 | jasonb | Another idea is: use hard links. :) But, you'd have to script that. |
| 00:06.41 | LaidBack_01 | I was using soft links - are they not suitable? |
| 00:16.29 | LaidBack_01 | getting eclipse loaded and oracle's jbuilder... this looks like a language of interest to me... and I need to know what I'm doing, hopefully having a sharp looking IDE will convice the boss to let me keep going down this path ;) |
| 00:19.31 | LaidBack_01 | whoops... oracle's jDeveloper |
| 00:24.42 | LaidBack_01 | I don't mind scripting that kind of stuff out either... not new to that kind of stuff. |
| 00:24.45 | LaidBack_01 | new to java |
| 00:28.13 | jasonb | Ahh. |
| 00:28.53 | jasonb | Yeah, I haven't used jdeveloper yet, so I don't know if it's any good, but lots of people rave about eclipse, so there must be something good in it (doesn't look real special to me). |
| 00:29.14 | jasonb | Another one is NetBeans.. it looks great all except for the fact that it bundles a broken Tomcat. :) |
| 00:29.48 | jasonb | In general, Java is excellent. And, JSP is really, really nice for building webapps with. |
| 00:29.57 | jasonb | And, if you're using those, Tomcat is the best servlet container. |
| 00:30.40 | jasonb | Now, about symlinks: Tomcat tends to not like them.. but you can configure it to use them if you want to use them. By default, I believe they do not work inside a webapp's dir tree. |
| 00:31.30 | jasonb | But, Tomcat is not able to discern the difference between a hard link and a regular file. So, hard links work by default. |
| 00:34.18 | LaidBack_01 | ok, that's good to know. |
| 00:46.00 | LaidBack_01 | okay, I have it! |
| 00:46.10 | LaidBack_01 | hooyah, it's working, I'm freaking stoked about it |
| 00:46.16 | LaidBack_01 | thanks for the hardlink tip |
| 00:47.14 | jasonb | No problem. I'm glad it helped. |
| 00:47.20 | jasonb | So it all seems to work now? |
| 00:47.34 | LaidBack_01 | yeah... well, now comes the connection to the mysql database |
| 00:48.10 | LaidBack_01 | that'll be a laugh riot, but I think I've got enough experience with setting up the database in tomcat to just put the jdbc in the right place and use it. |
| 00:48.17 | jasonb | Also, just in case you ever have to run any CGI scripts, you can *still* run all that on Tomcat.. there is a CGIServlet to configure, and we wrote about that in our top ten tomcat tips article. Just in case you need it. |
| 00:48.22 | LaidBack_01 | but yes, all the cfml pages are rendering correctly. |
| 00:48.23 | jasonb | ibot: toptentips |
| 00:48.23 | ibot | methinks toptentips is http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2003/06/25/tomcat_tips.html |
| 00:49.16 | LaidBack_01 | yeah, well, one of the reasons this will work SO well just on tomcat is that they wrote the entire site in cfm - every one of them -there is no cgi, the only thing to worry about is SSL now and a payment gateway |
| 00:49.32 | LaidBack_01 | does tomcat support payflow pro? |
| 00:49.44 | jasonb | What technologies is that built on? |
| 00:50.00 | LaidBack_01 | C and perl |
| 00:50.02 | LaidBack_01 | either or |
| 00:50.09 | LaidBack_01 | they have a module in C and a module in perl |
| 00:50.13 | LaidBack_01 | there, that made sense |
| 00:50.22 | jasonb | Is it mod_perl? OR is it CGI? |
| 00:50.34 | jasonb | Or what? |
| 00:50.36 | LaidBack_01 | you can choose which module to run. Hmm... no you don't need mod_perl. |
| 00:50.41 | LaidBack_01 | it's a cgi |
| 00:50.46 | LaidBack_01 | yeah, sorry... |
| 00:50.48 | jasonb | Okay, then the CGIServlet can run it. |
| 00:50.54 | LaidBack_01 | cool |
| 00:51.08 | jasonb | Also, about SSL, I believe this will help you: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/tomcat/chapter/ch06.pdf |
| 00:51.25 | jasonb | That's the URL to the free Tomcat Security chapter of Tomcat: The Definitive Guide. |
| 00:51.40 | jasonb | It shows step by step instructions on setting up SSL. |
| 00:52.07 | LaidBack_01 | yeah, I've already got the book open to page 130 |
| 00:52.13 | LaidBack_01 | going thru the chroot steps now |
| 00:52.52 | LaidBack_01 | scratch that - I'm going to make the databases work first... |
| 00:52.52 | jasonb | I may be able to help with the chroot stuff.. although I must warn you that it is actually a little more complex than it is presented in the book. |
| 00:52.55 | LaidBack_01 | then I'll do the chroot. |
| 00:53.03 | jasonb | Yeah, save the chroot stuff for last. |
| 00:53.14 | jasonb | It's pretty hard when you've got that complicated of a configuration. |
| 00:53.21 | LaidBack_01 | I've done quite a few app chroots in FreeBSD - but jail makes it pretty easy. |
| 00:53.42 | jasonb | Linux doesn't have jail. So, you're left with chroot. |
| 00:54.26 | jasonb | Also, Tomcat is very secure, and that means you need chroot less than you'd need it with a different web server. |
| 00:56.48 | LaidBack_01 | yeah, that's true |
| 00:56.57 | LaidBack_01 | this server also runs ONLY tomcat now |
| 00:57.03 | LaidBack_01 | and ssh and a pure-ftpd server |
| 00:57.11 | LaidBack_01 | there... that's all the open ports |
| 00:57.25 | LaidBack_01 | I take it I can get rid of the ajp13 connector built into tomcat, right? |
| 01:00.20 | jasonb | Yes. Just comment out that connector in server.xml. |
| 01:00.32 | jasonb | You don't need it at all. |
| 01:01.02 | jasonb | The only other port is the shutdown port, and it opens only on localhost so you don't need to worry about it. |
| 01:02.32 | LaidBack_01 | hey, what editor/ide do you use for your code? |
| 01:02.37 | jasonb | I'm glad you're finding the book helpful. Still so much of that first edition applies even to Tomcat 5.5.x, or just never got out of date because the fundamentals of how it works haven't changed. |
| 01:03.19 | LaidBack_01 | yeah, it's getting a fair amount of use. Oreilly books are always good though. |
| 01:03.53 | jasonb | I use Emacs mainly. I haven't chosen a favorite IDE yet, but I think it's whittled down to two contenders: NetBeans and Eclipse. I generally favor NetBeans, but it's hard to do that when 1) it bundles a broken Tomcat, and 2) every time someone mentions their favorite IDE it seems to be eclipse. :) |
| 01:04.09 | LaidBack_01 | prentice hill and addisonwesley are pretty decent too. |
| 01:04.25 | jasonb | I'm happy to hear if you're saying that our book seems good like other O'Reilly books. We tried hard to live up to that standard. |
| 01:04.41 | LaidBack_01 | yeah, I just installed the eclipse binary. |
| 01:04.47 | jasonb | It really wasn't easy. It still isn't. |
| 01:05.07 | LaidBack_01 | lol, yeah, longest paper I ever wrote was some 100pages... |
| 01:05.11 | jasonb | Let me know what you think of Eclipse too. I'm interested to hear peoples' opinions on these IDEs. |
| 01:05.31 | LaidBack_01 | well - I installed it on my home machine - it's not done installing here yet. |
| 01:06.51 | LaidBack_01 | home box is a beast - this one is a neat machine, but not very fast really - it's an old department server. quad xeon 600 box with 2 IBM 36G 10krpm o/s drives. And I put in some more ide drives - couple of 250G maxtors.... |
| 01:07.11 | LaidBack_01 | but my home machine is a single cpu intel 3.2 - and it's waaaay faster. |
| 01:08.05 | LaidBack_01 | seen this: http://xsh.sourceforge.net/ it might be helpful for editing some of those tomcat config files |
| 01:12.19 | jasonb | Gnarly!! |
| 01:12.25 | jasonb | That's very cool. |
| 01:13.01 | jasonb | Sometimes people show me projects like this that I never knew about, and it's something really innovative and cool. Thanks for the link. |
| 01:32.43 | LaidBack_01 | no problem |
| 01:32.49 | LaidBack_01 | hey, I'm headed home |
| 01:32.54 | jasonb | Okay, have fun. |
| 01:32.57 | LaidBack_01 | happy with the success of the vhosts setup |
| 01:32.59 | jasonb | I'll be on and off this weekend. |
| 01:33.03 | LaidBack_01 | thank you much for all your help! |
| 01:33.05 | jasonb | Congrats on that, yeah. |
| 01:33.08 | LaidBack_01 | and your book too |
| 01:33.08 | jasonb | No problem. |
| 01:33.11 | jasonb | Thanks. :) |
| 01:33.15 | LaidBack_01 | have a good one. |
| 01:33.16 | jasonb | More yet to come... |
| 01:33.20 | jasonb | You too, have fun! |
| 01:33.23 | jasonb | 2 L8. |
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| 09:56.42 | nikunj | hi |
| 09:56.57 | nikunj | any ideas what could cause following error while running shutdown.sh |
| 09:56.58 | nikunj | java.lang.reflect.InvocationTargetException |
| 09:56.58 | nikunj | at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method) |
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| 09:59.36 | vipaca | Hiya All! |
| 09:59.45 | vipaca | Anyone awake at this hour? |
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| 10:09.00 | nikunj | hi |
| 10:09.07 | nikunj | any ideas what could cause following error while running shutdown.sh |
| 10:09.09 | nikunj | java.lang.reflect.InvocationTargetException |
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| 14:57.14 | incorrect | hi |
| 15:06.46 | linuxfreck | hi incorrect, nice nick :) |
| 15:07.52 | incorrect | thanks |
| 15:08.19 | incorrect | strange question, but does anyone know how to get apache to act on returned error codes from apache |
| 15:08.32 | incorrect | ie 404 and apache serves the page |
| 15:08.35 | incorrect | or a 500 |
| 15:09.36 | linuxfreck | if you talk about apache tomcat and not apache httpd, set an <error-page> element in the web.xml |
| 15:11.03 | incorrect | i know about that :( |
| 15:11.11 | incorrect | i am using ajp to connect in |
| 15:11.18 | incorrect | i wanted apache to do the virtual hosts |
| 15:11.56 | incorrect | apache httpd servers back the 404 error page from tomcat |
| 15:12.14 | incorrect | i wanted apache to pick up on the 404 and run a script or something |
| 15:12.23 | linuxfreck | I don't quite see why apache should handle the error pages then |
| 15:13.00 | linuxfreck | well I'm not sure whether the apache ErrorDocument directive overrides mod_jk |
| 15:14.07 | incorrect | ok forget that then |
| 15:14.50 | incorrect | i noticed apache could serve up blah.xml was just blah and you could omit the file extension, is that possible in tomcat? |
| 15:16.05 | linuxfreck | with a custom servlet, yes |
| 15:16.43 | incorrect | and i couldn't get apache to handle that for me when it connects via ajp |
| 15:17.40 | linuxfreck | well, jk somehow has to know that blah goes to tomcat |
| 15:19.21 | incorrect | i wonder if i could do it with a rewrite rule |
| 15:19.54 | linuxfreck | which is one of the many reasons why you should avoid using apache httpd |
| 15:19.59 | linuxfreck | it just causes trouble |
| 15:21.12 | incorrect | does anyone serve directory from tomcat? |
| 15:22.39 | linuxfreck | serve directory? i.e. have a directory index auto-generated? |
| 15:31.04 | incorrect | i think they are doing some sort of language entension |
| 15:31.07 | incorrect | strange |
| 15:31.12 | incorrect | sorry |
| 15:31.27 | incorrect | i mean does anyone serve pages directly from tomcat |
| 15:42.01 | linuxfreck | well |
| 15:42.12 | linuxfreck | many do serve stuff from tomcat here |
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| 21:30.40 | Cow_woC | hi |
| 21:30.56 | Cow_woC | why doesn't Tomcat 5.5.9 ship with catalina.bat? Can I download it as a separate component or something? |
| 21:31.18 | jasonb | I thought it did. |
| 21:31.48 | jasonb | Hmm, it does in my copy of it. :) |
| 21:32.41 | Cow_woC | man |
| 21:32.49 | Cow_woC | jasonb: maybe the windows installation doesn't include it |
| 21:32.52 | Cow_woC | which is a problem |
| 21:33.00 | jasonb | That is possible. |
| 21:33.20 | jasonb | I'd be slightly surprised if they left that out.. considering its importance on Windows. |
| 21:34.01 | Cow_woC | they did I think |
| 21:34.05 | Cow_woC | I just expanded it from the zip file |
| 21:34.14 | Cow_woC | Should I open a bug against it? |
| 21:34.30 | Cow_woC | Netbeans requires this to be able to attach to an external Tomcat server -- which I need for debugging |
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| 23:00.15 | Markov | hey. I'm getting a 404 File not available error when the file is clearly there |
| 23:00.42 | Markov | "The requested resource is not available".... ? |
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