| 00:00.20 | monteslu | it was on 4 |
| 00:00.25 | monteslu | that must be it huh? |
| 00:00.33 | jasonb | Okay, so you've modified it since it ran correctly on Tomcat 3. |
| 00:00.54 | monteslu | yup, i forgotten that i changed the web.xml |
| 00:01.13 | monteslu | strange that the page works half way through tho |
| 00:01.31 | jasonb | In general, Tomcat 4.1 is mainly a Servlet 2.3 / JSP 1.2 container, but is supposed to be backwards-compatible all the way back to Servlet 2.1, as much as a Servlet 2.3 container could.. |
| 00:01.36 | monteslu | it reads the web.xml enough since i'm able to retrieve context parameters |
| 00:01.53 | jasonb | Sun has changed the API a bit, so a single version of Tomcat can't do everything, but it sure tries. |
| 00:02.12 | jasonb | Yeah, mainly I'm thinking of the overall behavior of the app and the container. |
| 00:02.18 | monteslu | gotcha |
| 00:02.26 | jasonb | It's a bit different from 2.2 to 2.3. |
| 00:02.44 | jasonb | You probably have an obscure backwards-incompatibility bug. |
| 00:02.52 | monteslu | the threading model much different? |
| 00:03.01 | jasonb | One thing you could do is turn up the logging levels in server.xml and try to see where it's failing, or what it's doing. |
| 00:03.39 | jasonb | The Threading model isn't different if you're talking about just JSPs.. but if you've got lots of plain-old Java classes that do lots of stuff, it could be a bit different. |
| 00:04.13 | monteslu | not really, pretty much procedural jdbc type stuff |
| 00:04.19 | jasonb | I'd say watch _all_ of the log files very carefully. |
| 00:04.37 | monteslu | cool. |
| 00:04.51 | monteslu | is 5.x production quality yet? |
| 00:05.04 | jasonb | Oh yeah. |
| 00:05.07 | jasonb | ibot: newintc5 |
| 00:05.10 | ibot | from memory, newintc5 is http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2004/01/28/tomcat5.html |
| 00:05.20 | monteslu | i somehow missed the announcment |
| 00:05.27 | monteslu | not on slashdot this time? |
| 00:05.42 | jasonb | Slashdot doesn't like Java. |
| 00:05.56 | jasonb | Slashdot used to run stories saying how much better Linux was than Java. :) |
| 00:05.58 | monteslu | true, but no one can deny how cool tomcat is |
| 00:06.22 | monteslu | the 4.x release was pretty well received. not all that much trolling |
| 00:06.45 | jasonb | Slashdot doesn't seem to care at all about new major releases of Tomcat. |
| 00:06.59 | jasonb | (or hardly any Java stuff at all) |
| 00:07.29 | monteslu | found the post, only 44 comments |
| 00:07.35 | monteslu | must not have been on the main site |
| 00:07.38 | jasonb | Can I have a URL? |
| 00:07.59 | jasonb | It wasn't on the front page, I can tell you that. |
| 00:09.00 | monteslu | having trouble bringing it back up |
| 00:09.05 | monteslu | december 8th |
| 00:09.31 | monteslu | http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/12/08/127237&mode=thread&tid=108&tid=126&tid=156 |
| 00:10.22 | monteslu | i'm gonna quit screwing around with trying to fix this on 4 and just install the latest 5 |
| 00:10.36 | monteslu | do i use mod_jk2 for this? |
| 00:10.55 | jasonb | Do you absolutely have to use Apache httpd for some reason? |
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| 00:11.23 | monteslu | not really, just thought that was the "proper" way |
| 00:11.41 | monteslu | i might want to try out opengroupware or egroupware |
| 00:11.49 | monteslu | theyre php based |
| 00:12.11 | monteslu | would be cool if there was something like openexchange from suse open sourced |
| 00:12.53 | jasonb | Yeah. |
| 00:13.07 | jasonb | I'd suggest running Tomcat stand-alone, without Apache httpd. |
| 00:13.32 | monteslu | can you install ssl certs from verisign on tomcat? |
| 00:13.53 | monteslu | i've always let the web server handle that |
| 00:14.08 | jasonb | Yes. |
| 00:14.21 | monteslu | kick ass. |
| 00:14.31 | jasonb | I wrote about how to do that in our book Tomcat: The Definitive Guide (O'Reilly). |
| 00:14.34 | monteslu | have both running was a pain in the ass to configure |
| 00:14.39 | jasonb | Step-by-step instructions on how to do it. |
| 00:14.55 | monteslu | you go over 5.x? |
| 00:15.59 | jasonb | No, not 5.x, but this particular topic is the same for both. |
| 00:16.17 | jasonb | Tomcat 4.1 and 5.x are mostly alike. |
| 00:16.27 | monteslu | your Jason Brittain? |
| 00:16.35 | jasonb | Yep. |
| 00:16.57 | monteslu | man, i love this irc server. |
| 00:17.11 | monteslu | i keep meeting people that write books on here |
| 00:18.25 | jasonb | hehe |
| 00:18.35 | jasonb | Lots of developers hang out on here. |
| 00:18.41 | monteslu | picked up an SDL book a while back, and was able to ask john hall questions |
| 00:18.43 | monteslu | about it |
| 00:18.51 | jasonb | Heh heh. |
| 00:18.57 | monteslu | authors too |
| 00:19.21 | monteslu | ive been developing for a few years, but i doubt i could ever write more than a readme |
| 00:20.13 | monteslu | thanks for the help dude, i'll pick up your book this weekend |
| 00:21.38 | jasonb | No problem. |
| 00:21.53 | jasonb | Even readme files help. :) |
| 00:23.20 | monteslu | oh one more thing, just a matter of opinion. I'm writing a media server with a swing client right now, but thinking of embedding tomcat to expose webservices and possibly a web front end |
| 00:24.01 | monteslu | is that something that acceptable. i'll probably release it gpl, but i havent seen alot of people embed tomcat other than IDE developers |
| 00:24.40 | jasonb | Don't release it as GPL. |
| 00:24.54 | monteslu | apache license? |
| 00:24.54 | jasonb | Release it under a MIT/X or BSD-style license. |
| 00:25.23 | jasonb | Apache is a BSD-style, but Apache's license has the advertizing clause, which FSF says is a conflict between it and the GPL.. But then the GPL doesn't apply to Java anyway. |
| 00:25.40 | jasonb | Apache's newest license is okay, but I'd rather it not have the advertizing clause. |
| 00:25.46 | monteslu | that might work, but one dependency is on a gpl database - mckoi |
| 00:26.00 | jasonb | But yeah, all the architectual things you described above are fine. |
| 00:26.22 | jasonb | Can't you just write it so that it requires JDBC and any SQL database? |
| 00:26.28 | jasonb | Or, must you embed the database? |
| 00:26.30 | monteslu | cool, its using a BSD upnp stack |
| 00:26.36 | jasonb | Also, can't you use Hypersonic? |
| 00:26.42 | monteslu | well, i want it simple enough for end users |
| 00:26.51 | jasonb | So embed Hypersonic. |
| 00:26.51 | monteslu | maybe |
| 00:27.17 | monteslu | i couldnt tell the difference between the two, neither mentioned the others in their FAQs |
| 00:27.25 | monteslu | no good comparissons from google |
| 00:27.33 | monteslu | mckoi just seemed simple |
| 00:28.05 | monteslu | but i'll give hsql a spin if it has a more agreeable license |
| 00:33.22 | jasonb | It does, and it's been around for quite a while, and has wonderful features. |
| 00:33.32 | jasonb | It's small, light, and fast. |
| 00:37.45 | monteslu | i cant find anything about sequences on it |
| 00:37.57 | monteslu | auto increment only? |
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| 00:38.13 | monteslu | kind of hard to use child records that way |
| 00:40.52 | monteslu | i guess you use identify() like mysql's last_insert_id |
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| 01:19.36 | ryu_ | sorry |
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