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| 04:56.35 | cilquirm | anyone using the jstl with tc5? |
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| 06:42.27 | linked | Greetings |
| 06:43.33 | linked | im trying to build mod_jk connector from jakarta-tomcat-connectors-jk-1.2-src for httpd-2.0.40-21.3 |
| 06:44.01 | linked | but when i ran 'make' i end up with lots of 'i386-redhat-linux-gcc: ../common/jk_context.lo: No such file or directory' error |
| 06:46.13 | linked | anyone? |
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| 07:07.05 | cilquirm | linked, are you runnign configure? |
| 07:07.20 | cilquirm | anyone else having trouble with standard 1.1 taglib and xalan? |
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| 07:09.02 | jasonb_ | cilquirm: Why not use Tomcat 5 and the EL that is built into JSP 2.0? |
| 07:09.35 | cilquirm | jasonb_, i thought you had to include standard-1.1 if you wanted to use the jstl ? |
| 07:10.35 | cilquirm | i'm trying to migrate my app over, and the x: tags are causing me some real headaches |
| 07:11.03 | jasonb | cilquirm: JSTL was completely incorporated into JSP 2.0 as part of JSP itself. |
| 07:11.13 | jasonb | http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2003/11/05/jsp.html |
| 07:12.05 | jasonb | cilquirm: I suggest you stop using the x: tags. As of JSP 2.0, it's so featureful that you shouldn't need much else. |
| 07:12.47 | cilquirm | but the x tags are for parsing xml |
| 07:13.38 | cilquirm | how would the el replace a select or convert a document to a dom? |
| 07:15.42 | jasonb | cilquirm: Hmm.. I don't know about the xml parsing stuff. I assume that most of the x: tags are duplicate functionality of other tags that now exist as part of JSP 2.0, but I don't know how much XML stuff there is in JSP 2.0 yet. |
| 07:17.10 | cilquirm | the EL has made a bunch of other things easier and definitely removed pretty much any need for those stupid nested c:out tags |
| 07:18.16 | jasonb | Yeah. |
| 07:18.21 | cilquirm | but i haven't read anything about how they fix xml |
| 07:18.33 | jasonb | So now that I look at the x tags, it looks like those aren't replaced by functionality in JSP 2.0. |
| 07:18.44 | cilquirm | is there any consultancy i can pay to help me with my tomcat issues |
| 07:18.48 | cilquirm | it's driving me bananas |
| 07:18.50 | jasonb | Looks like all the x tags are deeply XML functionality. |
| 07:19.10 | jasonb | cilquirm: Which Tomcat are you using? |
| 07:19.22 | cilquirm | yeah, and the repacking of apache software into the mainline is causing all sorts of headaches |
| 07:19.26 | cilquirm | tc5 |
| 07:19.48 | jasonb | Hmm. That's good. Which OS & version, which JDK & version? |
| 07:20.18 | jasonb | cilquirm: Never use a repackaged OSS project.. that's just asking for trouble, IMHO. |
| 07:20.49 | cilquirm | well, xalan and xerces come standard now with the sun jdk 1.4 apparently |
| 07:21.01 | cilquirm | and they're older versions |
| 07:21.09 | jasonb | Yeah, xerces does.. xalan may as well. |
| 07:21.20 | jasonb | Hmm.. |
| 07:21.35 | jasonb | There might be a way to tell Tomcat to use a different parser. |
| 07:21.49 | jasonb | (and it might be a build-time thing) |
| 07:22.17 | cilquirm | i got that far using the "Endorsed Package Override" |
| 07:22.43 | cilquirm | basically, dropping it into common/endorsed lets the default classloader check those jars |
| 07:23.40 | cilquirm | but i noticed that the behavior of the standard 1.1 ( jsp 2.0 ) xml tags are different than the ones for the standard 1.0 ( jsp 1.2 ) |
| 07:23.51 | cilquirm | so now i'm trying to sort that out |
| 07:24.36 | jasonb | Ahh. |
| 07:25.42 | jasonb | Why not just use the 1.0 version of the tags with Tomcat 5? |
| 07:26.01 | jasonb | Does something break when you try doing that? |
| 07:26.11 | cilquirm | because i was trying to convert my app to the 2.4 / 2.0 spec |
| 07:26.25 | cilquirm | half it works great, and is really efficient for a lot of things |
| 07:26.26 | jasonb | Is it urgent that you do so? |
| 07:26.30 | cilquirm | the other half breaks miserably |
| 07:26.41 | cilquirm | well, it's urgent that i pick one way and stick with it |
| 07:27.05 | cilquirm | i figured if i could fix this last outstanding xml parsing issue, i'd be good to go |
| 07:27.11 | cilquirm | but it's been a nightmare so far |
| 07:27.56 | jasonb | There's lots of backwards compatibility with old descriptors and stuff, so they can work in Tomcat 5 and still be pretty efficient. But, if you want to take advantage of new features (and possibly a change in architecture in some spots), then you do need to migrate your webapp to the new way. |
| 07:29.32 | cilquirm | yeah, 1 more hour and then i make the choice |
| 07:31.34 | jasonb | It really depends on how locked into the old version you are. :) |
| 07:32.27 | jasonb | Also, you can choose per tag library, can't you? |
| 07:38.24 | cilquirm | i hadn't thought about that.. |
| 07:38.31 | cilquirm | that'll be plan b |
| 07:43.10 | jasonb | No use holding the whole webapp back from all the new features just because of one flakey taglib. :) |
| 07:44.14 | cilquirm | that, i must say, is a stroke of brilliance that i wish i had thought up |
| 07:44.18 | jasonb | Modularity rulez. |
| 07:47.01 | emeade | modularity is a tool for the weak! |
| 07:50.20 | jasonb | bah |
| 07:51.22 | emeade | ya, just sour grapes |
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| 08:17.55 | cilquirm | do the standard taglibs default to session scope when no scope is specified? |
| 08:19.04 | jasonb | Hmm.. |
| 08:19.14 | jasonb | It's page scope, I'm pretty sure. |
| 08:23.23 | linked | Hi! the manual im using for installing mod_jk suggests that i create a bare bones server.xml file.. |
| 08:24.03 | jasonb | That manual is wrong. |
| 08:24.13 | linked | i want to still access the default example applications in Tomcat, do i need to insert the CATALINA service part in the default server.xml? |
| 08:24.21 | jasonb | If you create a bare bones server.xml file, you'll likely run into obscure problems. |
| 08:24.29 | cilquirm | anyone know what this means : org.apache.taglibs.standard.tag.common.xml.UnresolvableException: $prefix:javax.servlet.include.query_string |
| 08:24.49 | linked | jasonb:http://www.meritonlinesystems.com/docs/apache_tomcat_redhat.html |
| 08:26.22 | jasonb | cilquirm: Lots of Apache code spews nondescript errors. Sad but true. They're quite unhelpful. |
| 08:28.12 | linked | is ok to put tomcat applications under /var/www/html/webapps? |
| 08:28.29 | jasonb | linked: Not really. |
| 08:28.42 | jasonb | linked: Tomcat has its own place to put those. |
| 08:29.10 | jasonb | linked: In short, Tomcat isn't Apache, and despite what some web pages will tell you, it's not easy to integrate the two. |
| 08:29.23 | linked | yeah, in $CATALINA_HOME/webapps? |
| 08:29.29 | jasonb | linked: Yes. |
| 08:30.28 | linked | and if i want to access the default tomcat site (including the manager and admin application) i should retain the CATALINA services in server.xml? |
| 08:39.19 | jasonb | linked: As it turns out, you'd need to retain just about everything you'd find in a stock server.xml.. which is why I say it's wrong to make a minimal one. |
| 08:39.28 | jasonb | (well, one of the reasons I say it's wrong, anyway) |
| 08:40.34 | jasonb | If you *never* want to use the admin nor manager webapps again, nor use Tomcat's JMX MBeanServer, make a minimal server.xml file. :) |
| 08:40.35 | linked | If you do keep the default server.xml, make sure you comment out any other connectors besides mod_jk that are listening on port 8009. The default file comes with the Coyote/JK2 connector enabled for the Tomcat-Standalone service. This will conflict with the mod_jk connector in your Tomcat-Apache service |
| 08:40.53 | linked | that's according to the manual |
| 08:41.26 | linked | yeah, i want to user the admin and manager webapps |
| 08:41.27 | jasonb | That part is correct. |
| 08:42.56 | linked | ah, ok. so i'll just add a new <Service> definition for my application? |
| 08:43.51 | jasonb | If you're making any changes at all to a server.xml file, you have to read the docs about the element(s) you're changing, and first verify that what you're going to change is going to work. |
| 08:44.19 | jasonb | http://jakarta.apache.org//tomcat/tomcat-4.1-doc/config/index.html |
| 08:44.54 | linked | hmm, ok. thank you. |
| 08:45.09 | jasonb | No problem. |
| 08:46.43 | linked | is it ok to view Service(s) in Tomcat as Virtual Host(s) in Apache? |
| 08:47.50 | jasonb | Nope. |
| 08:48.07 | jasonb | ibot: vhosts |
| 08:48.09 | | i heard vhosts is at http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-4.1-doc/config/host.html |
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| 11:03.10 | linked | anyone here? |
| 11:03.30 | linked | will mod_jk work for tomcat 5? |
| 11:14.03 | effy-kun | anyone know why ContextConfig in Catalina should be giving an IOException? |
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| 12:37.09 | lavik | Hi. |
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| 12:37.37 | lavik | I'm a bit of a newbie to Tomcat. Could anyone please tell me how to control logging in Tomcat? |
| 12:37.54 | lavik | How can I get Tomcat to produce the catalina.out? |
| 12:38.02 | lavik | Where do I configure this? |
| 12:38.19 | lavik | I can't find 'logging' in the doc |
| 12:38.44 | lavik | I mean the catalina_log |
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| 12:41.56 | luc_ | hi there, is it possible to serve static content from Tomcat? like in Jetty, specifying a directory from where files would be sent "as is" |
| 12:49.37 | lavik | np, I just need to fix this bug in my local BB installation, so I can run it |
| 12:50.00 | lavik | sorry, wrong channel |
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| 12:53.15 | lavik | How can I get Tomcat to produce the catalina_log files? |
| 12:53.21 | lavik | Anyone? |
| 12:55.38 | lavik | it doesn't just fail, it also creates a resource of type 'video' called 'Navn' (default) |
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| 16:04.40 | bugfixer | anyone here who can answer a XML-RPC question? |
| 16:05.27 | bugfixer | i joined #xmlrpc, but only one person is there, and he doesn't seem to really be there |
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| 16:23.11 | jasonc | I know very little about it, but what they hey, ask your question anyway bugfixer |
| 16:23.43 | bugfixer | jasonc do you if you can pass null as a method parameter |
| 16:24.21 | jasonc | that I do not know :( |
| 16:24.30 | jasonc | I wouldn't think so... but I'd hate to steer you wrong |
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| 16:56.02 | bugfixer | jasonc: Thanks, i don't think you can, plus somethig like that is probably up to the implementation |
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| 18:33.43 | deeley | Does any body have a link to some good JMX manager examples with source? |
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| 18:57.34 | ezust | hi all - I was wondering, I am having a couple of difficulties deploying applications and running servlets, on a brand-new installation of tomcat5... created a webpage about it here: http://juke.cluttered.com/~ezust/freeserver/html/deploying.html - if someone can help me out a bit, I'd be eternally grateful. |
| 19:04.37 | ezust | so frustrating when I can't even get helloworld running. |
| 19:09.01 | emeade | no doubt, u check the logs? |
| 19:10.09 | emeade | oh i c |
| 19:11.18 | kylev | and you restarted tomcat? |
| 19:11.22 | kylev | it can get wedged |
| 19:11.29 | emeade | what os u on? u sure that is the bad zip? |
| 19:11.40 | kylev | if a webapp deploy fails, it sometimes doesn't like to try redeploying |
| 19:12.31 | ezust | i'm using mandrake 9.2 |
| 19:12.46 | deeley | how about your server.xml? check the <Host name="localhost" debug="0" appBase="webapps" unpackWARs="true" autoDeploy="true"> |
| 19:13.14 | emeade | u could use truss to make sure it is your war that is causing the error |
| 19:13.45 | ezust | thanks deeley and emeade, following both leads now... |
| 19:14.13 | emeade | follow deeley's first |
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| 19:16.20 | subsonic | deeley sucks |
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| 19:23.29 | ezust | tried adding those attribs to Host element in the server.xml. Restarted, app wan't running. Ran manager, tried starting the app. Got same SEVERE: Skipped installing application listener due to "previous errors" even though there are no errors in the log file. I'll look into truss now, thanks. |
| 19:24.16 | ezust | actually, there was another error which appears later in the logfile: SEVERE: Error listenerStartJan 22, 2004 2:24:35 PM org.apache.catalina.core.StandardContext startSEVERE: Context startup failed due to previous errors |
| 19:28.04 | ezust | what is,where is truss? |
| 19:28.35 | emeade | a tool that lets u watch what files ur os is accewssing |
| 19:28.59 | jasonc | truss is solaris only (or so I thought) |
| 19:29.20 | jasonc | strace/ltrace/ktrace would work for linux |
| 19:29.24 | emeade | ah |
| 19:29.27 | jasonc | though I think that is overkill for your problem |
| 19:29.46 | emeade | no doubt |
| 19:29.49 | jasonc | you obviously have something misconfigured in your server.xml |
| 19:35.09 | ezust | what's a good way of determining what is the problem in amisconfigured server.xml? |
| 19:35.21 | emeade | i find knowing the path to the file tomcat is tring to find can help find where the server.xml is configured |
| 19:35.49 | emeade | iv also found stuff in the tomcat user archives |
| 19:36.01 | emeade | esp since 5.0.16 is so "new" |
| 19:36.06 | jasonc | ezust: start over with a clean one |
| 19:36.14 | jasonc | and add your changes incrementally |
| 19:45.05 | ezust | well, same problem exists with a clean server.xml |
| 19:45.13 | ezust | i thin kit is more specific to my webapp. |
| 19:45.19 | ezust | something wrong with my web.xml, I imagine |
| 19:47.38 | jasonc | yes an invalid web.xml will invalidate an entire webapp |
| 19:47.44 | jasonc | and cause it to be undeployed |
| 19:48.00 | jasonc | you could turn up the debugging for that context/host/whatever in your server.xml |
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| 20:14.23 | jasonc | 5.0.18??? Damnit... |
| 20:19.04 | jasonc | I'll be darned :) |
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| 20:20.16 | jasonc | no official announcement though on the lists... odd |
| 20:29.00 | jasonb | Yes there was. |
| 20:29.07 | emeade | tomcat page still needs updated as well |
| 20:29.17 | jasonb | At least, on the dev list there was an announcement. |
| 20:29.28 | emeade | and we just announced our 5.0.16 upgrade, lol |
| 20:29.42 | jasonb | The source for the main Tomcat page was updated, but the site hasn't been regenerated yet. |
| 20:30.20 | emeade | i noticed 5.0.18 in the change logs yesterday |
| 20:32.33 | jasonc | jasonb: I checked the archives, but I guess they are usually a little slow |
| 20:32.43 | jasonc | I don't subscribe anymore due to the sheer volume of emails :) |
| 20:37.08 | cheeser | yeah. that's a lot of mail |
| 20:37.52 | jasonc | well the cvs commits and bugzilla mail all go to the same place... other projects I've been on put that stuff into seperate lists |
| 20:37.59 | jasonc | though an argument can be made either way |
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| 21:03.14 | jasonb | jasonc_away: Yep, high volume. I've never been subscribed to the users list, only the dev list, and even that is pretty high volume. |
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| 21:41.50 | kylev | jasonb: esp with me whining about my jk bugs |
| 21:47.51 | jasonb | kylev: Heh! Thanks for any fixes you ever contribute to jk*. It sure needs it. |
| 21:48.22 | jasonb | kylev: It's silly for any non-rejected Tomcat patches to just sit there and not be applied. |
| 21:48.50 | jasonb | kylev: For quite some time I didn't bother sending in patches anymore because that happened whenever I submitted one. |
| 21:52.23 | kylev | yeah, I still have several just sitting there |
| 21:53.01 | kylev | and I still can't get anyone to respond to my Context/JNDIDatasourceRealm issue |
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| 22:02.39 | jasonb | I'm not real surprised. |
| 22:03.20 | jasonb | I think Remy just wants it that way, and refuses to even discuss the problem because then people will verify that it's only a matter of his own personal preference. :) |
| 22:03.50 | kylev | yeah, that's something you want from a project lead |
| 22:04.00 | kylev | annoying |
| 22:04.05 | jasonb | Yes, it's quite annoying. |
| 22:04.42 | jasonb | But, I've gotta give Remy lots of credit for other work he's done. He's really put lots of work into Tomcat, and overall he's been great. |
| 22:05.04 | jasonb | It's just a few details like this one where he's held up progress. |