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| 06:02.29 | schlumpf2 | good morning |
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| 10:02.29 | fresh | hello, anyone awake? |
| 10:06.52 | schlumpf | yes |
| 10:07.30 | fresh | do you know much about tomcat? can i bug you with a question? |
| 10:07.56 | fresh | actually, i think the question is more related to linux/apache/tomcat |
| 10:08.48 | schlumpf | don't ask to ask, just ask |
| 10:09.04 | fresh | lol, ok ... my bad. just tired. |
| 10:09.43 | fresh | i was just checking 'top', cuz my server seemed a tad slow, and i see about 20-30 "java" commands, using 6.2% of memory, all run by user "tomcat4" ... whats this all about? |
| 10:11.18 | schlumpf | tomcat is multithreaded, it starts multiple threads like apache to accept the request. the memory is shared, so they don't use 6.2% * 20, but 6.2% |
| 10:11.46 | fresh | what is the "java" command? is one of my clients running something? |
| 10:13.02 | schlumpf | all java processes of tomcat4 are the tomcat server |
| 10:13.25 | schlumpf | java is the virtual machine in which tomcat runs |
| 10:13.40 | fresh | hmmm, so does this mean someone is running a tomcat app? |
| 10:14.36 | schlumpf | it means that tomcat is running |
| 10:15.12 | fresh | is it vital to the system? or should i not even worry about that 6.2%? |
| 10:16.42 | schlumpf | how much ram does the system have? |
| 10:38.49 | fresh | 512mb |
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| 14:35.40 | TheSteveMonkey | Wow lot more ppl here |
| 14:35.56 | TheSteveMonkey | How much memory do ppl give to tomcat on startup |
| 14:36.19 | sobel | couple gigs |
| 14:36.26 | TheSteveMonkey | really |
| 14:36.29 | TheSteveMonkey | thats huge |
| 14:36.58 | TheSteveMonkey | we arwe running into out of memory issues when aggressively spidered |
| 14:37.04 | TheSteveMonkey | sobel, whats you peak load? |
| 14:37.57 | sobel | it's less than i test for |
| 14:38.34 | TheSteveMonkey | Are you running with that much memory because of the load you experience |
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| 16:11.29 | Renfield | Hello. |
| 16:13.10 | Renfield | I'm trying to connect Tomcat with Apache. I've got Apache 1.3.28, does JK2 work well with this version? |
| 16:24.28 | jasonb | Nope. |
| 16:24.51 | QICBoy | im using it with iis and it works |
| 16:31.37 | jasonb | QICBoy: He asked if it worked *well*. |
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| 16:40.43 | Renfield | Hmmm. |
| 16:40.58 | Renfield | Maybe I should upgrade to Apache 2.0.x then? |
| 16:41.20 | Renfield | Is 2.0.x production stable? |
| 16:42.05 | Renfield | Basically, what are the best versions of Apache, Tomcat, and some Connector that would produce a production-stable environment? |
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| 16:43.52 | pio31 | whats jakarta? |
| 16:44.15 | pio31 | where do i download it? |
| 16:45.21 | schlumpf | jakarta is a city near the island java |
| 16:45.38 | schlumpf | "WordNet (r) 1.7.1 (July 2002)" |
| 16:45.38 | schlumpf | Jakarta |
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| 16:45.38 | schlumpf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.38 | schlumpf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:49.22 | trn_ | hi, does anybody worked with hibernate ? |
| 16:50.30 | pio31 | schlumpf hah |
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| 17:12.15 | jkk | 2003-08-19 06:26:39 StandardContext[/wafer-weblog]: Resources start failed: |
| 17:12.15 | jkk | 2003-08-19 06:26:39 StandardContext[/wafer-weblog]: Context startup failed due t |
| 17:12.15 | jkk | o previous errors |
| 17:12.15 | jkk | 2003-08-19 06:26:39 StandardContext[/wafer-weblog]: Exception during cleanup aft |
| 17:12.15 | jkk | er start failed |
| 17:12.15 | jkk | LifecycleException: Container StandardContext[/wafer-weblog] has not been start |
| 17:12.17 | jkk | ed |
| 17:12.19 | jkk | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.28 | jkk | anybody recognize that 'Resources start failed:' error? |
| 17:12.36 | jkk | argh, it must be the most cryptic error ever |
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| 17:15.39 | jkk | lo? |
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| 17:25.43 | cursed | in tomcat 4.1.24, i can't instantiate a class, although i put it under classes and try to access it from the jsp by import, it complains about like this "cant compile, import UserInfo;_ missing '.'" |
| 17:27.20 | TheSteveMonkey | trn_, there is a hibernate channel |
| 17:27.49 | jkk | anybody seen the cryptic 'Resources start failed:' error? |
| 17:28.01 | jkk | according to google it seems to be pretty popular but there's no clear reason why it fails |
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| 18:10.02 | Rods_Tiger | I've done something odd to my Tomcat webdav server (running on a Gentoo machine), with the result that I can't get into it from OS X. |
| 18:10.23 | Rods_Tiger | what's the best place to start to look, and what would be good information to provide you? |
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| 18:19.04 | jkk | Rods_Tiger: sorry, can't help much |
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| 19:10.09 | batman | I'm looking for help on tomcat configuration issues. The name is John |
| 19:11.28 | batman | Is anybody monitoring this channel? |
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| 19:21.49 | jkk | anybody alive? |
| 19:43.33 | kylev | nope |
| 19:46.26 | kylev | this channel isn't very lively |
| 19:46.49 | kylev | mostly because all questions are the same |
| 20:26.45 | jasonb | "Why is my Debian Tomcat package b0rken?" |
| 20:27.39 | jkk | tomcat has truly awful error messages though |
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| 20:53.08 | jkk | does anybody use the ant tomcat install,reload,remove,list tasks? |
| 20:56.35 | Spline | jkk: I know I'm a heretic, but jetty has been my plaything this week :) |
| 20:56.52 | Spline | jkk: also, lets chat about interact some more |
| 20:57.05 | Spline | in about 10 minutes (its 4:56 EDT) |
| 21:06.44 | jkk | Spline: show me your jetty ant xml file that does webapp deploy? :) |
| 21:07.18 | jkk | now the InstallTask is throwing a null pointer exception |
| 21:13.45 | Spline | OK my ten minutes are up |
| 21:14.03 | Spline | jkk: Ive been using maven to make war's, and manually deploying |
| 21:14.15 | Spline | been using mock objects to simulate in container behavior for testing |
| 21:14.23 | jkk | maven :/ |
| 21:14.29 | Spline | thats what a lot of people say |
| 21:14.33 | jkk | hmm, interesting, mock objects |
| 21:14.33 | Spline | i dont care, it works great for me |
| 21:15.17 | Spline | jkk: well don't get too impressed, its all done for me |
| 21:15.30 | Spline | e.g. MockStrutsTestCase, which has a package called servletunit |
| 21:15.58 | Spline | and my cocoon app, I have the business logic factored out enough where everything non-javascript is tested without needing a container |
| 21:16.16 | Spline | which brings me back to interact |
| 21:16.28 | jkk | how is cocoon working out for you? |
| 21:16.31 | Spline | wonderfully |
| 21:16.42 | jkk | where do you put your business logic in cocoon? |
| 21:16.47 | Spline | in avalon components |
| 21:16.59 | jkk | you mean like avalon services? |
| 21:17.07 | Spline | yea |
| 21:17.22 | Spline | thats the new terminology |
| 21:17.45 | jkk | hmmm |
| 21:17.49 | jkk | that's kind of neato |
| 21:17.56 | Spline | yea |
| 21:18.06 | Spline | especially with the idea of using a Parent component manager |
| 21:18.08 | Spline | going to try that soon |
| 21:18.19 | Spline | possibly with loom |
| 21:18.22 | jkk | so where do you the work that pulls stuff from the httprequest and calls the services? |
| 21:18.28 | Spline | flow! |
| 21:18.39 | jkk | you write flow scripts? |
| 21:19.00 | Spline | yea |
| 21:19.05 | Spline | and they are surprisingly short |
| 21:19.12 | Spline | one javascript function per use case |
| 21:19.20 | Spline | continuations handle multi-page interactions |
| 21:19.42 | jkk | yeah i know |
| 21:19.49 | jkk | that seems kind of neat but also kind of wrong |
| 21:19.54 | Spline | here |
| 21:20.07 | jkk | you're basically writing your service in javascript tied to cocoon |
| 21:20.22 | hellabot | "Spline" pasted "my flowscript. BSD licensed. ;)" at http://www.hellaweb.com/hellabot/13 |
| 21:20.40 | Spline | jkk: well no all the actual business logic is in the component |
| 21:20.52 | Spline | all the flowscript handles is the UI flow... |
| 21:21.02 | Spline | the stuff I draw on a whiteboard to describe "screens" etc |
| 21:21.37 | jkk | that's kind of interesting though it still seems kinda iffy to me. it is very clean though. |
| 21:21.44 | Spline | er, that flowscript is about a version old |
| 21:21.52 | jkk | you're using struts + cocoon? |
| 21:21.57 | Spline | yea you can add in the "model" end by using Woody |
| 21:22.02 | Spline | going to try that or JXForms tonight |
| 21:22.06 | Spline | well |
| 21:22.15 | Spline | I developed (well, developing) the same front end in struts |
| 21:22.17 | Spline | for comparison |
| 21:22.58 | jkk | ahh interesting |
| 21:23.09 | Spline | really shows the class explosion |
| 21:23.20 | Spline | you get a whole class for each java script function, plus some suporting classes |
| 21:23.48 | Spline | so! |
| 21:23.53 | Spline | how would that look using interact? :) |
| 21:24.54 | jkk | hmm, i'm not sure what you mean |
| 21:24.59 | jkk | slow what class explosion? |
| 21:25.11 | Spline | by doing it using struts, you end up with tens of classes |
| 21:25.17 | Spline | this way, I have very few |
| 21:25.38 | Spline | each use case becomes an Action, coupled with an ActionForm |
| 21:25.55 | Spline | although, you can usually use the same ActionForm for a couple Actions |
| 21:26.01 | jkk | that's how struts does it right? |
| 21:26.03 | Spline | yes |
| 21:26.16 | jkk | with interact each use case would again be an Action |
| 21:26.26 | Spline | ok |
| 21:26.30 | jkk | you wouldn't need an ActionForm, but you'd most likely need some sort of view Action |
| 21:26.42 | Spline | yea somewhere I have to get to the beans |
| 21:26.47 | Spline | you can see them in my flowscript |
| 21:27.14 | jkk | yeah |
| 21:27.30 | jkk | you could probably integrate cocoon flowscript into interact |
| 21:27.37 | Spline | exactly what I was thinking! |
| 21:27.43 | Spline | then, I get interceptors :) |
| 21:27.45 | jkk | each javascript function is just a virtual action that needs to be executed |
| 21:27.54 | Spline | plus, I could slap on an XML-RPC API if I wanted |
| 21:28.07 | jkk | yeah, that is the core goal of interact |
| 21:28.16 | Spline | :) |
| 21:28.25 | Spline | great |
| 21:28.34 | Spline | a friend of mine has a "secret project" web framework also |
| 21:28.39 | jkk | interact doesn't aim to be a web framework, it's more about writing services that can be exposed via XML-RPC, SOAP, RMI, REST and traditional webapps |
| 21:28.40 | Spline | I am eyeing interact for that as well |
| 21:28.49 | Spline | yes |
| 21:29.16 | Spline | how does configuration work? |
| 21:29.33 | Spline | i.e. how do I deploy new interceptors into a running system? |
| 21:29.42 | jkk | Spline: service.xml |
| 21:29.49 | Spline | running system? |
| 21:29.52 | jkk | Spline: as of now you can't. in the future, jmx is a possibility |
| 21:30.17 | Spline | yea, or a more explicit API |
| 21:30.23 | Spline | using, of course, interact |
| 21:30.38 | jkk | Spline: it depends on how you'd want to do it. if you defined some custom hook in your application it's as simple as creating a new InvocationFactory |
| 21:30.52 | Spline | right, interact needs a container right? |
| 21:30.58 | Spline | even if it is my app, all done by hand? |
| 21:31.46 | Spline | I envision sort of an interact "backend" where real code plugs in, and an interact "frontend" where requests come from and responses go |
| 21:31.54 | Spline | and a middle, where interceptors go |
| 21:32.02 | Spline | sounds like a container to me |
| 21:32.13 | jkk | interact tries desperately not to be a container |
| 21:32.24 | Spline | but why? even if it is a container service... |
| 21:32.39 | Spline | it "contains" interceptors anyway |
| 21:33.07 | jkk | because writing generic containers is a lost cause imo. i prefer to let other people stick containers in if they want to. |
| 21:33.26 | Spline | ok |
| 21:33.27 | Spline | makes sense |
| 21:33.37 | Spline | so, typical app design: |
| 21:33.44 | Spline | 1. requirements, begin use cases |
| 21:33.57 | Spline | 2. codify use cases, create interact service.xml |
| 21:34.07 | Spline | 3. codify interceptor requirements, plug in code? |
| 21:34.22 | jkk | not exactly |
| 21:34.34 | jkk | actually yes, that's exactly write |
| 21:34.41 | jkk | codify use cases == create action classes |
| 21:34.47 | Spline | right |
| 21:34.54 | Spline | leaving the back end code to be driven by the actions |
| 21:35.02 | jkk | then you worry about security and all that other stuff just by plugging in interceptors |
| 21:35.24 | Spline | ok |
| 21:35.33 | Spline | I may have a neat place to try it out |
| 21:35.49 | Spline | little G/L module for OBS I may be working on in sept/oct |
| 21:36.01 | Spline | that is, if I end up using OBS :) |
| 21:36.28 | Spline | an action might be "Post Transaction" |
| 21:36.31 | jkk | yeah, hopefully the java.net project will be approved soon |
| 21:36.38 | jkk | and you can checkout the code and look at it |
| 21:36.43 | jkk | i'm working on an example app right now |
| 21:36.44 | Spline | ok you have it there |
| 21:36.58 | Spline | who "approves" these things? |
| 21:36.58 | jkk | yeah |
| 21:37.07 | jkk | https://interact.dev.java.net/ |
| 21:37.15 | jkk | Spline: i dunno, but it's been almost a week |
| 21:37.18 | jkk | still no approval :/ |
| 21:37.39 | jkk | man, jetty is very nice :) |
| 21:37.44 | jkk | it's deterministic! |
| 21:37.48 | jkk | not like tomcat :) |
| 21:38.00 | jkk | but it doesn't have the same docs/tool support as tomcat |
| 21:38.48 | Spline | right |
| 21:38.54 | Spline | I'm not sold on jetty for everything, but I do like it |
| 21:39.19 | jkk | Spline: is there no way to reload servlets without restarting the server? |
| 21:40.00 | Spline | jetty? tomcat? |
| 21:40.07 | Spline | either, I don't know ;) |
| 21:40.19 | Spline | I restart my server all the time |
| 21:40.41 | Spline | having your car crushed by a falling sequoia sucks |
| 21:40.50 | Spline | http://www.wftv.com/newsofthestrange/2414611/detail.html |
| 21:41.21 | jkk | haha |
| 21:41.25 | jkk | yes that does suck |
| 21:41.54 | bugfixer | they is a way to reload an app without restarting the server |
| 21:42.14 | bugfixer | in the apps Context set reloadable=true |
| 21:47.45 | jkk | bugfixer: talking about jetty :) |
| 21:48.12 | bugfixer | jkk: sorry, I was talking about tomcat |
| 21:48.54 | bugfixer | mever used jetty |
| 21:49.28 | jkk | i'm temporarily giving up on tomcat |
| 21:49.44 | jkk | sick of the awful error messages |
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