| 00:03.22 | johnjohn7 | I guess they tightened up the performance quite a bit too. |
| 00:03.28 | jasonb | Yup! |
| 00:04.18 | Hellaenergy | bbiab |
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| 00:06.56 | Angus | Hmm. I've seen some benchmarks showing that the time (in cpu cycles) to spqwn new java threads jumps quite a bit around 100 threads. Of course benchmarks are kind of untrustworthy. |
| 00:07.21 | Angus | Never know if people were doing something weird. |
| 00:07.38 | Angus | I meant 1000 threads. |
| 00:07.51 | Angus | On x86 hardware. |
| 00:08.10 | Angus | iirc, this wasn't seen on sparc. |
| 00:10.14 | jasonb | Yeah, and that's probably per processor too. |
| 00:10.56 | Angus | Yeah, I think so. |
| 00:11.03 | jasonb | Also, even though it slows down around that point, opening new threads does still work. |
| 00:11.23 | jasonb | Of course things are going to slow down when you try to scale that high. |
| 00:11.26 | Angus | Sure. But things start to scale non-linearly. |
| 00:11.34 | jasonb | Yup. |
| 00:11.49 | jasonb | There's always a point where the linearity breaks. |
| 00:12.09 | Angus | Well, there are systems that handle that sort of thing better, using message passing style concurrency. I think it would be hard to make java work that way, thoguh. |
| 00:12.44 | jasonb | One could cluster Java (Tomcat even) in lots of different ways to make it scale much further. |
| 00:12.56 | Angus | Telecom langs, like erlang, that are designed specifically for high concurrency. |
| 00:13.03 | jasonb | All we're talking about here is making a single Tomcat instance scale high on a single machine.. and that's not clustering at all. |
| 00:13.18 | Angus | Yeah. No doubt. |
| 00:15.49 | Angus | I do keep looking at erlang for this sort of thing. But 1. it would be hard to get people to accept it outside of telecom. and 2. much smaller available library. Still, I think if you were smart about it you could use an erlang system to generate html that would be mopore performant than say Apache serving static content. |
| 00:16.26 | jasonb | Here's a link to the presentation I gave at the last O'Reilly OSCON about Tomcat clustering: |
| 00:16.26 | jasonb | http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2002/view/e_sess/2845 |
| 00:17.58 | Angus | Cool. I think I have something around here that can turn ppt into html. I'll take a look at it. |
| 00:18.38 | jasonb | Angus: OpenOffice does that *real* well. |
| 00:18.46 | Angus | But your point is taken- no matter how performant your system is, at some point you will need to cluster. |
| 00:19.41 | jasonb | It's so much easier to set up Tomcat with no clustering at all, so most people just do that until their traffic is just too high for their single server machine to serve, then they start looking into clustering. :) |
| 00:20.08 | Angus | Of course, at this point, I think it is probably possible to use a single powerful machine to outpace just about any connection. |
| 00:20.23 | Angus | But probably not with Java. |
| 00:20.37 | Angus | Yeah, well, that's a bit late :). |
| 00:20.51 | jasonb | Yup. |
| 00:21.04 | Angus | I'd rather try to stay ahead of the demand curve, if possible. |
| 00:21.39 | jasonb | Yeah, actually Java is quite performant these days. Bloat that most people point to and blame on Java is really due to someone's custom application not being written to perform well (or actually written extremely poorly). |
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| 00:23.37 | Angus | Yes, well avoiding unneccesary allocation helps a lot. Although GC has gotten a lot better since I first used Java,. |
| 00:24.40 | Angus | Still, native threads are inherently expensive. |
| 00:25.56 | Angus | And non-native threads have issues in languages with assignment. |
| 00:33.44 | Angus | Ah, you have EDDIE in there. |
| 00:33.47 | jasonb | Angus: The JVM implementors are free to implement Java Threads in any way they see fit on the OS and architecture the JVM is for. If the architecture supports CPU hyperthreading, for example, then JVM threads *could* use that if the OS allows it. Or, the OS could implement native threads as CPU hyperthreads, and then if the JVM used native threads then the Java Threads are CPU hyperthreads. |
| 00:33.52 | jasonb | Angus: Of course. :) |
| 00:34.46 | jasonb | Angus: So, Java Threads aren't necessarily going to be heavy weight. They have traditionally been, but only because the existing implementations of popular JVMs implemented them that way. |
| 00:35.16 | Angus | jasonb: sure. but in practice, I'm using Sun's VM under Lnux or *BSD on x86 hardware, and native threads are inherently expensive :). |
| 00:36.14 | Angus | jasonb: but traded off against the costs are java's acceptance, a pretty complete standard lib, and lots of framework code, commercial products, etc. |
| 00:36.29 | Angus | No-one ever got fired for buying IBM. |
| 00:37.29 | jasonb | Angus: Yes. But what I mean is that the whole notion of Threads being heavy weight may go away, without any changes to Java application code (like Tomcat). |
| 00:39.14 | johnjohn7 | Anyone here have a favorite "RAD" tool? |
| 00:39.23 | jasonb | NetBeans. |
| 00:39.36 | johnjohn7 | Netbeans good for server side development? |
| 00:39.39 | jasonb | (that is, for Java GUI work) |
| 00:39.45 | Angus | jasonb: sure. I hope it does :). Right now though, I think of Java as being somewhat heavy-weight. Of course, as someone pointed out the other night, it is a hell of a lot better in this respect than, say, php. |
| 00:39.48 | johnjohn7 | How about SSD |
| 00:40.06 | jasonb | johnjohn7: Hellaenergy said he tried writing Servlets with NetBeans and really liked it. I haven't tried that yet. |
| 00:40.23 | jasonb | Angus: It sure is. |
| 00:40.40 | johnjohn7 | jasonb: netbeans...how fast is it say compared to eclipse? |
| 00:40.41 | Angus | of course. |
| 00:40.51 | johnjohn7 | does netbeans classify more as an IDE or real RAD? |
| 00:41.11 | jasonb | johnjohn7: It's mainly an IDE, but for GUI stuff I'd say it's both. |
| 00:41.45 | Angus | Anyone who can manage to bork reference assignment semantics that badly should be doing something other than language design. |
| 00:41.55 | johnjohn7 | :jasonb is three a RAD for server side development? |
| 00:42.05 | johnjohn7 | :three<<<there |
| 00:43.00 | jasonb | johnjohn7: I haven't tested out NetBeans in this area, but it may be one. Other than that, I don't know of open source ones, and I'm not really paying attention to commercial stuff right now. |
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| 00:43.41 | Angus | johnjohn7: it's amazing what people can do with lousy tools. The one point in php's favor is that it has a very shallow initaial curve, in learning, configuration, and resource usage. |
| 00:43.42 | hv | could someone field a deployment descriptor question? |
| 00:44.47 | johnjohn7 | jasonb: I'm not looking at commercial either. Nearly everything can be found O/S and I don't have to bother the boss. This place sux for developers. |
| 00:45.10 | hv | I would like to have a servlet mapping such that http://www.domain.com/ will map to http://www.domain.com/servlet/Controller |
| 00:45.19 | johnjohn7 | jasonb: we are like glorified secretaries. People walk up and want a marketing demo developed in a week so they can sell vapor. |
| 00:45.37 | hv | however when I do this it sends my .gifs to the servlet for processing... |
| 00:45.42 | hv | any ideas? |
| 00:46.14 | hv | I'm using webmacro and I can't get the images or the css stylesheets. |
| 00:46.17 | johnjohn7 | welcome file? |
| 00:46.49 | hv | The servlet mapping looks great... it just looks like the servlet is trying to interpret my images and stylesheets... |
| 00:47.02 | johnjohn7 | hv: have an index.html auto forward to /servlet/Container. |
| 00:47.09 | hv | I have even set mime-mappings in the local web-xml... |
| 00:47.17 | hv | johnjohn7: yuck |
| 00:47.22 | johnjohn7 | hv: maybe I don't get the problem. |
| 00:47.25 | hv | I thought about that too... but... |
| 00:47.36 | hv | I don't like the idea of forwarding off. |
| 00:47.47 | johnjohn7 | hv: mime mappings? |
| 00:48.06 | hv | I want to somehow denote .gif, .jpg as static content... that doesn't get handled by the server. |
| 00:48.06 | johnjohn7 | hv: I mean to say. you want to hack mime types? |
| 00:48.16 | Angus | hv: it's not that uncommon in some MVC setup to have jsps do all dispatching to servlets. |
| 00:48.52 | Angus | hv: It's completely transparent to the client. |
| 00:49.10 | hv | no... I just want some behavior that if a page tells the client to download a gif... i.e. the client browser sees... <img src="/images/img.gif"> then it gives it the gif in the images directory... right now it says... here's a path for you to try Controller servlet... and it says... no match... |
| 00:49.35 | hv | Well like I mentioned... I don't use JSPs... I use webmacro. |
| 00:50.06 | hv | I can do this... map the servlet to /users/* and then I can see the images at /images/*.* |
| 00:50.13 | johnjohn7 | hv: what says "here's a path ..." |
| 00:50.19 | hv | but I want the mapping to the base... I'll keep hacking on it. |
| 00:51.39 | hv | johnjohn7: the mappping in the web.xml says I found something for /*... and it's the image path... or the stylesheet path. can you set exception values for a servlet mapping... something like... /*/!.gif ... lol |
| 00:52.20 | johnjohn7 | hv: i see. |
| 00:52.33 | johnjohn7 | hv: * for everything except *.gif |
| 00:53.11 | hv | I tried doing relative paths like... ../images... but it doesn't find them there... (thinking that it thinks the path is /servlet/Controller... so .. would be the directory above servlet... |
| 00:53.14 | johnjohn7 | hv: maybe there is some precedence rule or setup with tomcat/apache that does this. |
| 00:53.22 | hv | webmacro's site said something about that. |
| 00:53.32 | johnjohn7 | hv: do you use tomcat standalone or with a mod and apache? |
| 00:53.38 | hv | http://www.webmacro.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions |
| 00:53.48 | hv | johnjohn7: w/ apache |
| 00:53.57 | hv | first entry in that faq. |
| 00:54.11 | Angus | hv: why not reference your images relative to the servlet directory? |
| 00:54.33 | hv | Angus: good call... tried.. and didnt' work. |
| 00:55.20 | hv | johnjohn7: I think you might be on to somehting... I currently have everything handing off to the worker... i.e. /* goes to the worker... instead of just *.jsp and /servlet/* ... does that make sense? |
| 00:55.28 | Angus | What happened? you used something like ../images/test.gif |
| 00:55.29 | Angus | ? |
| 00:55.38 | hv | Angus: exactly... no dice... |
| 00:55.43 | Angus | hmmmm. |
| 00:56.20 | hv | Angus: check that link out that I posted... it's the first entry in the faq... says that exact thing... but didn't work for me. |
| 00:56.32 | johnjohn7 | hv: yes. I've heard the complaint be4 too in general. |
| 00:56.44 | johnjohn7 | hv: not really a web-macro issue...a servlet issue. |
| 00:57.14 | hv | johnjohn7: I'm with you... I think my descriptor and/or apache config need to be tweaked. |
| 00:57.36 | hv | I'll play with telling apache what not to send to tomcat |
| 00:58.15 | hv | Care for another tricky one? |
| 00:58.28 | Angus | hv: if you're using apache, why not use mod_reqrite (waits for jasonb to hit him) |
| 00:58.54 | hv | Angus: apparently I'm not privvy to that inside joke. |
| 00:58.57 | Angus | I mean of course, mod_rewrite. |
| 00:59.04 | hv | Angus: sure. |
| 00:59.17 | hv | Angus: I think the mapping is working good... |
| 00:59.21 | Angus | hv: the suggestion was serious. But jasonb is not a huge mod_rewrite fan. |
| 00:59.43 | johnjohn7 | Angus: I have only heard a little about mod_reqrewrite |
| 00:59.47 | hv | Angus: I follow ya... I do have rewrite compiled in... I'll look into it. |
| 01:00.09 | johnjohn7 | er reqrite |
| 01:00.50 | jasonb | hv: As Angus has mentioned, I sure wouldn't suggest doing that. |
| 01:01.01 | hv | my other question deals with dynamic hosts and tomcat. I had a version of tomcat 3.x working with a servlet that when I did a Request.getHostName() I could get the full server name and the dynamic host name.. it doesn't work in 4.1.18 though. |
| 01:01.11 | hv | thanks jasonb |
| 01:01.17 | johnjohn7 | hv: you mean virtual hosts? |
| 01:01.32 | johnjohn7 | hv: nm, I see what you mean. |
| 01:01.35 | hv | yes... but dynamic virtual hosts. |
| 01:01.58 | hv | so I could hit bob.domain.com and tom.domain.com and they go to the same place... |
| 01:02.14 | johnjohn7 | hv: that was deprecated when session.getContext was |
| 01:02.22 | hv | I don't want to have to have a serveralias for every hostname in my server.xml though... |
| 01:02.28 | hv | shoot... |
| 01:02.30 | hv | too bad. |
| 01:02.38 | johnjohn7 | hv: there used to be some way to get server details. Now that is considered "private business of the server" |
| 01:02.57 | hv | weird... where can I read up on that? the spec? |
| 01:03.05 | hv | 2.3? |
| 01:03.05 | johnjohn7 | hv: servlet API |
| 01:03.06 | Angus | Yeah, well mod_rewrite is useful and powerful in almost exactly the same sense as a thermo-nuclear hand-grenade. Sometimes it gets the job done thoguh. |
| 01:04.08 | johnjohn7 | hv: you could try to dig into tomcat source. |
| 01:04.20 | johnjohn7 | hv: or override stuff...hacking it. |
| 01:04.36 | johnjohn7 | hv: I mean like using the tomcat classes in your source. |
| 01:04.53 | johnjohn7 | hv: maybe that is like another hand grenade. :< |
| 01:05.10 | hv | johnjohn7: I've got a fresh CVS at home right now. |
| 01:06.08 | johnjohn7 | hv: you want to offer write privileges? |
| 01:06.24 | johnjohn7 | hv: or what is the address? |
| 01:06.24 | hv | write privs? |
| 01:06.33 | johnjohn7 | hv: you want me to look at it? |
| 01:06.46 | hv | ahhh... for the path stuff? |
| 01:07.01 | hv | or for the domain stuff? |
| 01:07.02 | johnjohn7 | hv: always fun to get sources... |
| 01:07.17 | hv | hehe... I've got gigs of source... |
| 01:07.20 | johnjohn7 | hv: not sure I would find the problem among all that web-macro ;) |
| 01:07.44 | hv | It's not too bad... I heard the Jive guys switched to it.... and I kind of like it! |
| 01:07.55 | jasonb | ugh. |
| 01:08.07 | johnjohn7 | jasonb: web-macro? |
| 01:08.09 | hv | really flexible... and much less of a pain than that Taglib BS |
| 01:08.14 | jasonb | johnjohn7: Sucks. |
| 01:08.36 | johnjohn7 | jasonb: I have looked at but not tried template engines long enough |
| 01:08.39 | hv | what does jasonb suggest these days? |
| 01:08.52 | hv | yuck... overkill... |
| 01:09.09 | johnjohn7 | jasonb: also fancy. I like home brewed command patterns. |
| 01:09.10 | jasonb | Or, just JSP. |
| 01:09.27 | johnjohn7 | jasonb: one controller servlet that works with your application engine. |
| 01:09.39 | johnjohn7 | jasonb: and a bunch of command beans. |
| 01:09.55 | jasonb | Yeah. |
| 01:09.57 | hv | I'm a controller servlet... and command chaining guy... so webmacro is good for me. |
| 01:10.03 | johnjohn7 | jasonb: or bigger classes with methods and you send it text commands. |
| 01:10.16 | hv | anyone familiar with REST? |
| 01:10.25 | johnjohn7 | hv:REST? |
| 01:11.10 | hv | It tries to take full advantage of all the actions of HTTP... |
| 01:11.18 | hv | I build all the commands into the URLs... |
| 01:11.32 | johnjohn7 | hv: url to the concept? |
| 01:11.35 | hv | ideally you'd use DELETE and PUT along with POST and GET |
| 01:12.05 | johnjohn7 | hv: I prefer to kep the requestMethods away from the URL. |
| 01:12.06 | hv | you could do something like... http://www.domain.com/user/hv in a PUT and it would add hv |
| 01:12.20 | johnjohn7 | hv: maybe I don't get it. |
| 01:12.26 | hv | if you put it in a DELETE it would delete the user hv if it existed... |
| 01:12.33 | hv | otherwise handle the error... |
| 01:12.38 | hv | that kind of thing. |
| 01:12.54 | johnjohn7 | hv: oh, use the POST/GET for crud |
| 01:13.02 | hv | exactly |
| 01:13.17 | hv | but make the url more human readable... |
| 01:13.23 | Angus | add put? |
| 01:13.25 | hv | and use the command structure that is in place... |
| 01:13.27 | johnjohn7 | hv: interesting. so where do you learn about REST? |
| 01:13.33 | Angus | You mean, dispatch it to a PUT handler? |
| 01:13.38 | hv | I'll send you the link... hold on. |
| 01:14.09 | hv | http://internet.conveyor.com/RESTwiki/moin.cgi |
| 01:14.21 | Angus | Yikes, I';d be awfully careful about doing that with GETs |
| 01:14.44 | hv | Angus: think of the GET as a command... not as the querystring... |
| 01:14.46 | Angus | unless I'm misunderstanding you. |
| 01:15.16 | Angus | hv: Yeah, but if I do a GET, I expect it to be idempotent. |
| 01:15.30 | hv | problem is that most browsers only support get and post... but I'm writing a thick client for my server app that uses all of the commands.. |
| 01:15.48 | hv | meanwhile in the browser I'm just using a command in the url and sending with post |
| 01:15.49 | Angus | Well, with POST, all bets are off. |
| 01:16.11 | Angus | But putting stuff in a URL implies GET. |
| 01:16.45 | hv | think of the URL as just the location... |
| 01:16.52 | johnjohn7 | hv: what request method corresponds to modifying a user? POST where PUT is like making a new one? |
| 01:16.55 | hv | and the method as the command. |
| 01:17.13 | Angus | hv: Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but I don't think I am. |
| 01:17.18 | johnjohn7 | hv: also what about GET which always displays for the address? |
| 01:17.29 | hv | johnjohn7: Yes! I had a lot of trouble understanding the differences between post and put myself. |
| 01:17.34 | johnjohn7 | hv: that might break someone's security. |
| 01:17.34 | Angus | Using a URL for a location implies that the operation that accessing that url performs is idempotent. |
| 01:18.17 | Angus | When you break that, you're breaking a contract with the user. |
| 01:18.21 | johnjohn7 | hv: so does the servlet then become a "model"? |
| 01:18.37 | johnjohn7 | hv: er wrapper for it? |
| 01:19.10 | johnjohn7 | hv:hrm. something just feels odd about it. |
| 01:20.00 | Angus | johnjohn7: MVC is orthogonal to this. |
| 01:21.17 | johnjohn7 | Angus: I understand. It is not really relevant. |
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| 01:21.55 | hv | sorry... some moron rebooted the router again. |
| 01:22.11 | Angus | Nice :). |
| 01:23.16 | hv | Anyway... I'm new to REST... this is my first go of it... but it seems quite elegant considering it uses a tried and true protocol... HTTP. REST begs the question of whether or not HTTP is being property used by the web or not. |
| 01:23.37 | hv | if it is... then why aren't all the methods supported. |
| 01:24.35 | hv | thanks for the help all... especially Angus, Johnjohn7 and jasonb... I'll be back again hopefully to help out. |
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| 01:42.38 | johnjohn7 | bad connection |
| 01:42.48 | johnjohn7 | did anyone respond while I bamf'd |
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| 04:27.59 | Angus | Any JNDI wizards in da house? |
| 04:29.25 | tang^ | I can't speak for anybody else, but "not I" |
| 04:33.06 | Angus | tang^: thanks. I suppose you saw my question on #java |
| 04:33.18 | Angus | ]I told them I'd have to have access to the machine. |
| 04:33.26 | tang^ | I did |
| 04:34.36 | tang^ | probably for the best |
| 04:35.16 | Angus | I have to admit that this experience makes me awfully nervous about this particualr saet of people. People who don't understand basic permissions issues have no business being able to become root. |
| 04:35.31 | tang^ | agreed |
| 04:35.46 | tang^ | windows admins learning unix maybe? |
| 04:37.07 | Angus | No. |
| 04:37.14 | Angus | I know this guy actually. |
| 04:37.30 | tang^ | eek |
| 04:37.59 | Angus | He's one of those people that isn't very technically inclined. |
| 04:38.12 | Angus | But insists that he can "figure it out". |
| 04:38.43 | Angus | I know for a fact that he's been primary technical contact on unix based web sites since at least fall of '99. |
| 04:39.14 | Angus | On this box he is not the main administrator. |
| 04:39.24 | Angus | But having him have root access is scary. |
| 04:39.44 | Angus | Everybody should have their rm -rf / moment on their *own* box. |
| 04:40.07 | Angus | But politically I can't point this out. |
| 04:40.41 | tang^ | I haven't had that moment on any of my linux or unix (HP-UX) boxes, but I've done it on corporate mail servers and win3.1 boxes |
| 04:41.10 | Angus | Eek. I have yet to actually destroy an empoyers filesystem. |
| 04:41.49 | Angus | I did once manage to completely lock up a very expensive Irix box. |
| 04:42.10 | tang^ | I only started... caught it before it did too much damage and only lost a half day's worth of mail since we had a good backup from the night before |
| 04:42.26 | Angus | But they shouldn't have been using that box for the kind of devel I was doing and normal operations. |
| 04:42.39 | Angus | Ouch. |
| 04:42.53 | Angus | Better than losing it all, I guess. |
| 04:42.56 | tang^ | small enough company that it didn't affect much |
| 04:43.05 | Angus | I had my moment pretty early on. |
| 04:43.14 | Angus | On my own linux system. |
| 04:43.55 | Angus | I logged into X as root, and accidentally dragged /sbin into another directory in a graphical file browser. |
| 04:44.12 | Angus | Didn't realize I'd done it, and restarted the machine soon after. |
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| 04:44.16 | tang^ | oops |
| 04:44.33 | Angus | Yeah, that was the last time I logged into X as root :). |
| 04:45.38 | Angus | Anyway, I just think that people like the fellow I was dealing with tonight would be better served by a sensible sudo setup. |
| 04:46.18 | Angus | He's not going to try and compromise anything- but god knows what he moght type. |
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| 06:23.57 | Beamer | whoa...cool :P |
| 06:24.09 | Beamer | sorry...never done the tomcat IRC thing...don't mind me :) |
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| 07:08.55 | salvo | I got apache installed and jakarta tomcat, how do I get them both on port 80, what module do I need? |
| 07:13.31 | mapleman | mod_jk |
| 07:14.17 | salvo | ok |
| 07:14.20 | salvo | thnx |
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| 07:43.30 | akb_oOo | Goodmorning. |
| 07:47.34 | salvo | lo |
| 07:51.00 | akb_oOo | hi salvo |
| 07:51.34 | akb_oOo | are u at home jason? |
| 07:52.35 | jasonb | Yep. |
| 07:53.13 | akb_oOo | nice :) |
| 07:54.50 | akb_oOo | after i write that "how to" article, where should i send it? |
| 07:56.51 | jasonb | To the tomcat-dev mailing list, I guess. |
| 07:57.00 | jasonb | And, put it up on your own web site too. |
| 07:58.06 | akb_oOo | jasonb.freewebhoisting.com, was that the address? |
| 07:58.37 | akb_oOo | u got a website? can i have the addy? |
| 07:59.20 | jasonb | I don't really have a web site. I have some misc files and stuff posted, but not really for public consumption. |
| 07:59.46 | akb_oOo | :) the rocket guys pic one?? |
| 08:01.23 | akb_oOo | if u r busy we can talk later bud, i understand. |
| 08:04.08 | jasonb | Yeah, I need to go to sleep. |
| 08:04.23 | akb_oOo | ok |
| 08:04.26 | akb_oOo | oh |
| 08:04.45 | akb_oOo | bye, takecare and goodnight |
| 08:04.57 | salvo | is mod_jk better then mod_webapp.c |
| 08:04.59 | salvo | ? |
| 08:07.39 | akb_oOo | bye all, sleepwell |
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| 08:16.53 | akb_oOo | hey |
| 08:16.55 | akb_oOo | jasonb u here? |
| 08:17.26 | akb_oOo | *blink* |
| 08:19.04 | akb_oOo | :`( |
| 08:19.35 | akb_oOo | A'm sorry, the patient is mechanically dead.. |
| 08:21.18 | akb_oOo | does sun offer the JCP certification exam still? |
| 08:25.44 | salvo | akb_oOo: can you help me with some server.xml config file so I got a multi user environment? |
| 08:26.39 | salvo | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:26.39 | salvo | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:26.39 | salvo | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:26.39 | salvo | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:26.46 | salvo | can I use another listener |
| 08:26.59 | salvo | that directs to directoryName="public_html" |
| 08:27.07 | salvo | and homeBase="/home" |
| 08:27.08 | salvo | ? |
| 08:27.32 | akb_oOo | salvo, :`( unfortunately i cant help you as am new to tomcat |
| 08:27.39 | salvo | ok, to bad :) |
| 08:27.42 | salvo | thnx anyway |
| 08:27.43 | salvo | :) |
| 08:27.46 | akb_oOo | :( |
| 08:27.51 | akb_oOo | am sorry |
| 08:27.56 | salvo | heh, no problem :) |
| 08:28.17 | akb_oOo | i hate when i cant help others, because i exactly knows when there are so many yet no one to help you.. |
| 08:28.42 | akb_oOo | i mean i exactly know the feeling. |
| 08:29.10 | akb_oOo | if u can be more specific, maybe i can do a google search for you? |
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| 08:32.33 | baseman | Hey.. how do I control how many procs of tomcat4 is started? |
| 08:33.03 | akb_oOo | ibot:ibot |
| 08:33.04 | | hmm... ibot is a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage. |
| 08:33.25 | baseman | with apache |
| 08:33.57 | akb_oOo | baseman, try to be here in a couple of hours, most are asleep here.. |
| 08:34.15 | baseman | heh |
| 08:34.25 | salvo | baseman: Did you try and search server.xml for it? |
| 08:34.39 | akb_oOo | and i cant help u as i am unaware of it ::/ |
| 08:35.54 | salvo | baseman: Did you see this in server.xml |
| 08:35.56 | salvo | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:35.56 | salvo | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:35.56 | salvo | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:35.56 | salvo | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:35.56 | salvo | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:35.57 | salvo | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:35.59 | salvo | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:36.01 | salvo | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:36.03 | salvo | ? |
| 08:36.10 | salvo | can't you change the value here |
| 08:36.51 | baseman | i never worked with tomcat before.. where would i find this server.xml |
| 08:37.03 | salvo | you know the install dir? |
| 08:37.14 | salvo | probably /usr/local/jakarta-tomcat-4.1.18 |
| 08:37.16 | salvo | or something? |
| 08:37.30 | baseman | lookin |
| 08:37.44 | salvo | do: locate jakarta-tomcat |
| 08:38.01 | salvo | then if you found the tomcat dir, goto that dir and the subdir conf |
| 08:38.18 | salvo | so let's say the tomcat dir is: /usr/local/jakarta-tomcat-4.1.18 |
| 08:38.30 | salvo | then goto: /usr/local/jakarta-tomcat-4.1.18/conf |
| 08:38.36 | baseman | alright thanxs.. ifound it |
| 08:38.43 | salvo | then use your favorite editor to edit server.xml |
| 08:38.48 | salvo | and find that line |
| 08:38.57 | salvo | then edit it to whatever you want |
| 08:38.57 | salvo | ok? |
| 08:39.13 | baseman | was in /var/tomcat |
| 08:39.20 | salvo | yup |
| 08:39.25 | salvo | probably a hardlink |
| 08:39.27 | salvo | but ok :p |
| 08:40.22 | akb_oOo | brb |
| 08:40.36 | salvo | k |
| 08:52.12 | baseman | hmm. min clients are set at 5.. and max at 75.. but 25 open when started |
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| 09:00.57 | baseman | i figured it out.. its starting 15 more procs from web.xml |
| 09:01.09 | a4akb | ... |
| 09:01.37 | a4akb | how? |
| 09:02.16 | baseman | <servlet> |
| 09:02.16 | baseman | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:02.16 | baseman | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:02.16 | baseman | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:02.16 | baseman | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:02.16 | baseman | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:02.18 | baseman | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:02.20 | baseman | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:02.22 | baseman | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:02.24 | baseman | sorry for the flood |
| 09:02.34 | baseman | is it ok to lower the numbers of procs its loading for these servlets |
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| 10:30.01 | akb_oOo | hello |
| 10:30.55 | akb_oOo | wave/wakeup call to all |
| 10:35.12 | akb_oOo | 13~.oOo.~`,`,`~.oOo.~3~.oOo.~`,`,`~.oOo.~7~.oOo.~`,`,`~.oOo.~6~.oOo.~`,`,`~.oOo.~3~.oOo.~`,`,`~.oOo.~11~.oOo.~`,`,`~.oOo.~~.oOo.~`,`,`~.oOo.~12~.oOo.~`,`,`~.oOo.~~.oOo.~`,`,`~.oOo.~8~.oOo.~`,`,`~.oOo.~2~.oOo.~`,`,`~.oOo.~4~.oOo.~`,`,`~.oOo.~5~.oOo.~`,`,`~.oOo.~9~.oOo.~`,`,`~.oOo.~10~.oOo.~`,`,`~.oOo.~ |
| 10:37.49 | akb_oOo | BREAKING NEWS"Premium seaweed soap, wash your way to a great looking body" Loose excess pounds by taking a shower lolllllll |
| 10:38.57 | akb_oOo | hmmm |
| 10:40.35 | akb_oOo | !ping me |
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| 12:02.14 | cadey | hello, can anybody help me please ? |
| 12:02.31 | cadey | i get this error when i run a .jsp script :( |
| 12:02.32 | cadey | The specified module could not be found. |
| 12:11.35 | cadey | any one ? |
| 12:55.07 | cadey | hello, is any one even here ? |
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| 14:05.25 | akb_oOo | hi |
| 14:06.44 | akb_oOo | hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii :/ |
| 14:07.03 | farmer | hhhheeeeey |
| 14:07.14 | akb_oOo | hey farmer |
| 14:07.18 | farmer | :) |
| 14:07.40 | akb_oOo | what r potatoes prices at today |
| 14:07.40 | akb_oOo | :) |
| 14:07.49 | farmer | too cheap :) |
| 14:08.35 | akb_oOo | lol we both smiled at same time |
| 14:08.46 | akb_oOo | can i have some potatoes in exchange of some tomcat ;) irrespective of tomcat being free :"> |
| 14:08.56 | akb_oOo | :P |
| 14:09.05 | farmer | hehe |
| 14:09.17 | farmer | i'll give you 10 kilos for your java knowledge |
| 14:09.18 | farmer | :P |
| 14:09.22 | akb_oOo | where r you from? |
| 14:09.31 | farmer | Slovenia |
| 14:09.34 | farmer | central europe |
| 14:10.07 | akb_oOo | that would be an awsome deal |
| 14:10.07 | akb_oOo | i dont know much of java ^_^ |
| 14:10.07 | akb_oOo | its like getting free 10kg tomatoes lol |
| 14:10.12 | akb_oOo | cool |
| 14:10.20 | akb_oOo | slovenia rocks |
| 14:10.38 | farmer | heheh |
| 14:10.44 | akb_oOo | u live in a farm? whats about your nick? |
| 14:10.51 | farmer | i know even less beleive me |
| 14:10.53 | farmer | nah |
| 14:11.02 | farmer | it was a joke some years back |
| 14:11.09 | farmer | and i just used it since then |
| 14:11.28 | akb_oOo | nice nick |
| 14:11.44 | akb_oOo | n^2 |
| 14:11.49 | farmer | yeah.. if it only werent for the damn polish people trying to steal it from me on cetrain networks :p |
| 14:12.04 | akb_oOo | :d |
| 14:12.18 | farmer | hmm that in mind .. i dont even have it registered here |
| 14:12.21 | farmer | someone else does;p |
| 14:12.30 | akb_oOo | if people from poland are called poles, why dont we call people from holland as holes? |
| 14:12.41 | farmer | hehehe |
| 14:13.19 | akb_oOo | :) |
| 14:13.43 | akb_oOo | did u see the movie k-19? harryson ford |
| 14:13.55 | farmer | hmm not yet |
| 14:14.03 | akb_oOo | is it new? |
| 14:14.04 | farmer | i had it once somewhere but i didnt check it out |
| 14:14.08 | farmer | not really new |
| 14:14.12 | akb_oOo | i just saw it.. |
| 14:14.12 | farmer | atleast 6 months old |
| 14:14.32 | farmer | so you're from Kuwait ? |
| 14:15.15 | akb_oOo | was good, about an submarine that tested a nuclear missile but got some snag and had to leave because of overheating of the reactor |
| 14:15.16 | akb_oOo | am from india but i came here on 1st march to see the war.. |
| 14:15.25 | farmer | oh |
| 14:15.40 | farmer | yeah i heard its good |
| 14:15.42 | akb_oOo | which we all can admit, will never happen |
| 14:15.48 | farmer | it wont? |
| 14:16.06 | farmer | i think bush is pretty decided to go for it |
| 14:16.09 | akb_oOo | ok |
| 14:17.08 | akb_oOo | well, its not what bush wants, its what the world wants |
| 14:17.35 | farmer | yeah i agree.. and if you look at general population at least in EU people are strongly against it |
| 14:17.57 | akb_oOo | most asian countries are against it as well including india and china |
| 14:18.03 | farmer | same in middle ease with exception from kuwait i think |
| 14:18.08 | farmer | yeap |
| 14:18.26 | farmer | so it will be just spain & uk & usa :) |
| 14:18.38 | akb_oOo | lol |
| 14:18.44 | akb_oOo | kuwait cant do anything |
| 14:18.45 | farmer | and australia |
| 14:19.02 | akb_oOo | its screwed from all sides including top and bottom |
| 14:19.12 | akb_oOo | so all it got to do is shut up and get raped by all |
| 14:19.16 | farmer | well i mean people want to see sadam fall :) |
| 14:19.42 | akb_oOo | yes but they cant help it |
| 14:20.45 | akb_oOo | most kuwaties dont want war at all, under any circumstances |
| 14:20.45 | akb_oOo | be it iraq attaking it or america attaking iraq, kuwait is under the cross fire |
| 14:21.01 | farmer | yeah i imagine |
| 14:21.07 | farmer | nobody wants to be caught in the middle |
| 14:21.37 | akb_oOo | all global politics |
| 14:22.06 | akb_oOo | now the un wants the world attention on Pakistan, and they say there the situation is so tense, it could blow up any moment |
| 14:22.30 | akb_oOo | remember, how iraq was under scrutiny just after afghanistan episode.. |
| 14:23.04 | farmer | aha |
| 14:23.14 | akb_oOo | all political games :( and no one to ask or question them |
| 14:23.38 | farmer | yeah too much politics |
| 14:24.16 | akb_oOo | anyway we wont gain anything by discussing it, :) its not in our hands and we cant gain anything out of it than just waste time |
| 14:24.28 | farmer | hehe yeah |
| 14:24.55 | akb_oOo | neither we can do anything to stop it :) |
| 14:24.57 | farmer | i just wish more countries would oppose usa/uk more stronlgy .. or that usa would stay alone:) |
| 14:25.10 | akb_oOo | its ok |
| 14:25.21 | akb_oOo | lets wait and watch :) |
| 14:25.25 | farmer | hehe yeah |
| 14:25.41 | akb_oOo | lollllllllll |
| 14:25.41 | akb_oOo | u want to know the funniest thing? |
| 14:25.57 | farmer | ya what :) |
| 14:26.09 | akb_oOo | as to why suddenly usa realised saddam as their enemy and as the enemy of the world? |
| 14:26.10 | Bain | how difficult would it be to do this: i want a tool thats like make xmenuconfig to run on tomcat then its got a button to compile/package the kernel, it should upload it to a website, is this possible? how hard would it be? how much time would it take? |
| 14:26.23 | Bain | is this even possible? |
| 14:26.24 | Bain | :} |
| 14:26.40 | farmer | akb_oOo: hehe yeah i always said why did they just suddenly remmeberd him :) |
| 14:28.28 | akb_oOo | actually during the 70/80's iraq was supplied biological weapons by americans to outster Iran as the war was almost 10yrs old, and now after the time bomb the un and other powerful countries suddely created which resulted in world crisis, they rememberd, oh, we had given them some weapons oops.. lets ask them, and to this lmao iraq told it never had!!! |
| 14:28.30 | akb_oOo | ROFL |
| 14:29.13 | akb_oOo | now america knows its got the weapons, iraq also knows this, but iraq says it was not official and the world dosent know it ^_^ lol thats funny isnt it |
| 14:29.19 | farmer | heheh yeah |
| 14:29.28 | farmer | i read that that they supplied them |
| 14:29.47 | akb_oOo | :( sigh |
| 14:29.50 | farmer | usa just wants control over oil |
| 14:29.53 | Bain | do u guys know if this is possible? |
| 14:30.16 | farmer | if you look at all the main people in bush's government they were or are connected somehow in high places in oil industry |
| 14:30.19 | akb_oOo | Bain.. lol we forgot its a channel for tomcat :P |
| 14:30.31 | Bain | tehehe |
| 14:30.45 | Bain | <- newbie tomcat admin |
| 14:30.50 | akb_oOo | i dont know bain :) am sorry |
| 14:30.59 | akb_oOo | me too bain :D we both are |
| 14:31.09 | Bain | ah yes i remember u now |
| 14:31.10 | farmer | hhee count me in |
| 14:31.16 | farmer | i just installed itsterday |
| 14:31.25 | akb_oOo | farmer its ok lets not bring the oil thing :) its another story |
| 14:31.33 | Bain | ive done about 10 installs |
| 14:31.41 | akb_oOo | cool bain way to go |
| 14:31.52 | Bain | im still totaly lost though |
| 14:32.07 | akb_oOo | oops am lost in one installation only!! hahaha |
| 14:32.07 | farmer | i need java skillz so i can code something useful :> |
| 14:32.20 | akb_oOo | cool farmer :) |
| 14:32.26 | Bain | i cant code at all |
| 14:32.40 | Bain | well... i can do some scripting here and there... and a tiny bit of c |
| 14:32.41 | Bain | :D |
| 14:32.49 | farmer | i know ruby,tcl,perl some c a bit java.. :) |
| 14:32.50 | akb_oOo | good for u bain, stay away from it, its a jungle out there |
| 14:33.02 | farmer | but i need to focus on real languages like c and java more |
| 14:33.07 | akb_oOo | cool |
| 14:33.19 | akb_oOo | brb guys will tell u the oilstory when i return |
| 14:33.19 | Bain | im teaching myself C slowly |
| 14:33.21 | akb_oOo | :) |
| 14:33.23 | Bain | but i dont have much time |
| 14:33.32 | akb_oOo | cool bain keep it up |
| 14:33.39 | akb_oOo | brb |
| 14:33.41 | Bain | i think u realy have to work with it to 'know' it |
| 14:33.45 | farmer | i have all the time in the world hehe.. |
| 14:33.50 | farmer | yeah |
| 14:33.59 | Bain | i got plenty time |
| 14:33.59 | Bain | but |
| 14:34.08 | Bain | i got many intrests |
| 14:34.13 | farmer | i just started to hack others people code and stuff.. and eventually made my own programs |
| 14:34.42 | Bain | i got K&R's book and C in 21 days |
| 14:34.46 | farmer | books are so expensive here :( |
| 14:34.56 | farmer | yeah i want k&r's book too |
| 14:34.59 | Bain | im using K&R for ref and C in 21 day for some eg code |
| 14:35.04 | farmer | but they dont have it in the library.. someone stole it :) |
| 14:35.10 | Bain | :( |
| 14:35.17 | Bain | bloody good book |
| 14:35.18 | Bain | buy it |
| 14:35.21 | Bain | its worth it |
| 14:35.26 | Bain | rob some old lady |
| 14:35.27 | farmer | yeah i will when i have some cash |
| 14:35.28 | Bain | hehe |
| 14:35.29 | farmer | heheh |
| 14:35.49 | farmer | i will learn java and make money and then buy book and learn c and abandon java !L:p |
| 14:35.50 | Bain | u should look for a reject book store |
| 14:35.58 | Bain | ah |
| 14:36.14 | farmer | hmm yeah |
| 14:36.19 | Bain | u see im an admin u see, well kinda consultant type freelance admin goody |
| 14:36.20 | Bain | ;) |
| 14:36.38 | farmer | but its a small country i dont think i would find alot techie books in that stores |
| 14:36.49 | farmer | yeah im an admin too |
| 14:37.01 | Bain | where u from? |
| 14:37.03 | farmer | i just have to make money with it |
| 14:37.07 | farmer | Slovenia |
| 14:37.13 | farmer | 2milion country :) |
| 14:37.16 | Bain | :D |
| 14:37.20 | farmer | and books are expensive as shit |
| 14:37.26 | Bain | :( |
| 14:37.31 | farmer | i should get a credit card |
| 14:37.34 | farmer | and order online |
| 14:37.36 | Bain | yes |
| 14:37.40 | farmer | form germany |
| 14:37.42 | farmer | or somehwere |
| 14:38.03 | Bain | or warez them |
| 14:38.22 | Bain | i did that when i was broke |
| 14:38.26 | Bain | i warezed many books |
| 14:38.33 | Bain | then bought them when i had the cash |
| 14:38.49 | farmer | yeah warez but |
| 14:38.52 | farmer | if its like 300+ pages |
| 14:39.00 | farmer | and i hate reading stuff from the monitor |
| 14:39.07 | farmer | it gets boring after a while:) |
| 14:39.20 | farmer | paper still ownz |
| 14:39.29 | Bain | too many distractions |
| 14:39.30 | Bain | :) |
| 14:39.50 | farmer | yeap |
| 14:40.03 | Bain | i kill irc when i read |
| 14:40.07 | farmer | smart |
| 14:40.09 | farmer | i should too |
| 14:40.22 | farmer | but i always seem to fire it up again lol |
| 14:40.39 | Bain | i do too |
| 14:40.44 | Bain | but i force myself not to |
| 14:40.49 | Bain | so i can focus |
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| 14:59.29 | Hellaenergy | morning |
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| 15:05.29 | salvo | lo |
| 15:05.36 | salvo | I got problems adding a virtual host |
| 15:05.39 | salvo | someone care to help |
| 15:05.39 | salvo | ? |
| 15:06.46 | Hellaenergy | shoot |
| 15:06.55 | salvo | ok, I have a domain |
| 15:07.00 | salvo | let's say domain.com |
| 15:07.03 | salvo | I tried it this way: |
| 15:08.11 | salvo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:08.11 | salvo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.45 | salvo | anything wrong? |
| 15:10.23 | Hellaenergy | whats the error? |
| 15:10.28 | Hellaenergy | what do your logs say? |
| 15:10.34 | Hellaenergy | Whats your setup? |
| 15:11.04 | salvo | the error here is nothing |
| 15:11.15 | salvo | only it will load the standard webapps dir |
| 15:11.21 | salvo | not the dir I pointed to |
| 15:13.11 | salvo | I got it working now, nm :) |
| 15:14.36 | Hellaenergy | good |
| 15:14.40 | Hellaenergy | what was your problem |
| 15:16.04 | salvo | I didn't put it good |
| 15:16.07 | salvo | it had to be: |
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| 15:16.39 | Guest27365 | anyone knows how to disable autostart of tomcat on win xp??? |
| 15:16.43 | salvo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.43 | salvo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.43 | salvo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:17.11 | salvo | Guest27365, check you startup part of winXP |
| 15:17.12 | salvo | :P |
| 15:17.22 | Guest27365 | ? |
| 15:17.23 | salvo | and else, check the config file for auto_start or something |
| 15:17.29 | salvo | go to Start |
| 15:17.31 | Guest27365 | yeah |
| 15:17.31 | salvo | Programms |
| 15:17.33 | Guest27365 | yeah |
| 15:17.34 | salvo | Startup |
| 15:17.36 | Guest27365 | yeah |
| 15:17.39 | salvo | there it probably is |
| 15:17.41 | Guest27365 | nothing in it |
| 15:17.44 | Guest27365 | already checked |
| 15:17.44 | salvo | startup.exe? |
| 15:17.50 | salvo | ok, then check the config files |
| 15:17.52 | salvo | of tomcat |
| 15:17.56 | salvo | maybe something in there |
| 15:18.00 | Guest27365 | ok...what to check for? |
| 15:18.07 | Guest27365 | already thought so...but i cant find anything |
| 15:18.22 | Guest27365 | =( |
| 15:19.36 | Guest27365 | anyone else? |
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| 15:20.20 | akb_oOo | hey |
| 15:20.57 | Hellaenergy | Yo |
| 15:21.08 | akb_oOo | back |
| 15:21.17 | akb_oOo | yo hella Yo |
| 15:21.22 | akb_oOo | sup! |
| 15:21.33 | akb_oOo | how are you? |
| 15:22.06 | akb_oOo | !ping |
| 15:22.07 | Guest27365 | do you know how to disable autostart of tomcat on winxp, akb:oOo? |
| 15:22.23 | aje | You disable it as a service? |
| 15:22.29 | aje | Try the MSMC. |
| 15:22.34 | akb_oOo | disable it from startup |
| 15:22.44 | aje | Disable it as a service! |
| 15:22.59 | aje | I don't know that much about Windows. I'm a FreeBSD user. ;) |
| 15:23.19 | Guest27365 | oh |
| 15:23.33 | Guest27365 | but what does that mean? (disable as a service)? |
| 15:23.53 | akb_oOo | :) |
| 15:23.56 | akb_oOo | in start menu, select run |
| 15:24.01 | Guest27365 | yeah |
| 15:24.10 | Guest27365 | and.. |
| 15:24.18 | akb_oOo | type there msmc? is that the comand in xp? i didt try u try n tell me |
| 15:24.34 | Guest27365 | doesnt work |
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| 15:24.39 | akb_oOo | ok |
| 15:24.44 | akb_oOo | hey jasonb wb! |
| 15:25.12 | akb_oOo | let me figureout the command guest brb |
| 15:25.12 | akb_oOo | am on 98 atm and in 98 it was msconfig |
| 15:25.39 | akb_oOo | there u go to startup and uncheck tomcat and apply, u will be asked to restart |
| 15:25.39 | Guest27365 | thanks a lot for helping me |
| 15:25.54 | Guest27365 | msconfig works ok here |
| 15:26.06 | akb_oOo | restart and its done, this wont startup tomcat whenever ur computer boots |
| 15:26.06 | akb_oOo | but, u can access the full services of tomcat by running it manually |
| 15:26.33 | akb_oOo | oops! |
| 15:26.33 | akb_oOo | kewlizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 15:26.33 | akb_oOo | :D |
| 15:26.58 | Guest27365 | u mean in services or in autostart tab? (under autostart i cant see apache, but in services) |
| 15:27.17 | akb_oOo | it dosent work on win2k or win2k professional though :) |
| 15:27.17 | akb_oOo | hey hella how are ya for the second time tameit |
| 15:27.55 | akb_oOo | yes |
| 15:27.59 | akb_oOo | do u see a "startup" tab there? |
| 15:28.21 | akb_oOo | or autostart? |
| 15:28.33 | Hellaenergy | akb_oOo: fine thanks |
| 15:28.42 | Guest27365 | well....ive got the swedish version, and the rightmost tab says "autostart" (under which i cant find apache), and next to it is tjänster = services |
| 15:28.49 | akb_oOo | good to know, i was worried if u were sick.. |
| 15:29.01 | Hellaenergy | akb_oOo: Shouldn't you be in bed right now? |
| 15:29.05 | akb_oOo | it should be in autostart |
| 15:29.17 | akb_oOo | lol hella dad, its just 6:30pm here :) |
| 15:29.21 | Hellaenergy | akb_oOo: I am still sick, just better than before. |
| 15:29.28 | Hellaenergy | oh |
| 15:29.32 | akb_oOo | hmm Guest27365 wait look carefully |
| 15:29.40 | akb_oOo | oh, :( get well soon m8 |
| 15:29.44 | Guest27365 | strange....i cant find it in there =( |
| 15:29.54 | Guest27365 | all the other autoprograms are in there |
| 15:30.10 | akb_oOo | it gives sometimes the path Guest27365 |
| 15:30.10 | akb_oOo | like as in c:\program files\apache |
| 15:30.37 | akb_oOo | check for any path that got tomcat/apache in it |
| 15:30.45 | Guest27365 | nope...nothing |
| 15:31.03 | akb_oOo | what time is it there in mn hella? 9am? |
| 15:31.10 | Guest27365 | but under the services tab as i told you....it says service: apache status:stopped |
| 15:31.44 | akb_oOo | hmm Guest27365 , what else does it say in services tab? |
| 15:32.06 | Guest27365 | theres a huge list of various services |
| 15:32.13 | akb_oOo | like? |
| 15:32.20 | akb_oOo | name one |
| 15:32.28 | Guest27365 | apparently im running mysql as well.....and i would not want that to autostart either |
| 15:32.40 | Guest27365 | application layer gateway |
| 15:32.46 | Guest27365 | application management |
| 15:32.48 | Guest27365 | etc... |
| 15:33.07 | akb_oOo | can u see mysql in autostart? |
| 15:33.19 | akb_oOo | oops dont touch that |
| 15:33.36 | Guest27365 | no |
| 15:33.43 | Guest27365 | not there either |
| 15:33.48 | akb_oOo | cant touch this 'mc-hammer' my my my my cant touch this =) O O o O |
| 15:34.04 | Guest27365 | and i cant find it under processes on clicking ctrl+alt+del |
| 15:34.34 | Guest27365 | this sucks....i think im going to erase them all |
| 15:34.36 | aje | Darn, taglibs are smart. |
| 15:34.42 | akb_oOo | wait Guest27365 |
| 15:34.52 | Guest27365 | sure |
| 15:34.56 | Guest27365 | thanks for taking your time |
| 15:35.10 | akb_oOo | u dont want mysql nor apache to start by themselves wheneer ur system starts isnt it? |
| 15:35.11 | Guest27365 | cant find any info whatsoever on google groups |
| 15:35.21 | Guest27365 | thats correct |
| 15:35.36 | akb_oOo | wait |
| 15:36.04 | akb_oOo | findest Du die M?glichkeit der Konfiguration <--- is this spanich or duetch? |
| 15:36.10 | Guest27365 | its german |
| 15:36.23 | Guest27365 | möglichkeit is possibility |
| 15:36.23 | akb_oOo | lol |
| 15:36.27 | akb_oOo | oops! |
| 15:36.31 | Guest27365 | findest du is do you find |
| 15:36.32 | akb_oOo | guest |
| 15:36.42 | salvo | find the posibility of the configuration |
| 15:36.43 | salvo | :p |
| 15:36.44 | akb_oOo | oh u can understand that? |
| 15:36.48 | Guest27365 | for sure |
| 15:36.52 | salvo | Me can understand that to :p |
| 15:36.55 | Guest27365 | i watched some german tv |
| 15:37.01 | Guest27365 | =) |
| 15:37.03 | akb_oOo | http://www.apache-wamp.de/programm_uebersicht.html |
| 15:37.18 | salvo | Guest, where you from |
| 15:37.18 | salvo | ? |
| 15:37.25 | akb_oOo | is this helpful? |
| 15:37.44 | Guest27365 | i dont know....i dont know THAT much german =/ |
| 15:37.52 | akb_oOo | it says u to disable it from the apache server properties located in start->program menu |
| 15:38.06 | salvo | Let me see |
| 15:38.19 | akb_oOo | lol |
| 15:38.19 | akb_oOo | listen go to start programs apache |
| 15:38.19 | akb_oOo | there what all is slisted? |
| 15:38.46 | akb_oOo | listed even |
| 15:38.56 | salvo | Apache wird bei jedem Booten automatisch gestartet !!! |
| 15:39.06 | salvo | Apache will be started with EVERY reboot |
| 15:39.11 | salvo | or actually boot |
| 15:39.16 | salvo | so that is just a notice |
| 15:39.19 | salvo | not how to put it off |
| 15:39.28 | Guest27365 | well....bin, cgi-bin, conf, htdocs, icons, include, lib, libexec, logs, modules, proxy and some files |
| 15:39.54 | salvo | Maybe you have to edit the autoexec.bat |
| 15:40.03 | Guest27365 | im scanning through my registry as well, but i havent found anything yet |
| 15:40.38 | Guest27365 | i dont think the autoexec.bat exists in xp |
| 15:40.40 | akb_oOo | what r u upto hella, anything special this weekend? |
| 15:40.40 | akb_oOo | apache is weired, just click the button that says automatic restart |
| 15:40.56 | Guest27365 | what, where?? |
| 15:41.03 | akb_oOo | is my translation right :P |
| 15:41.40 | Guest27365 | dont know....where are u reading? |
| 15:41.56 | akb_oOo | guest we cant configure xp like good old 98 |
| 15:41.59 | akb_oOo | we have to right click on My computer, in properties, services i guess or some tab, it says path etc |
| 15:42.44 | Guest27365 | ok..thanks for the help anyways...i appreciated it |
| 15:42.49 | akb_oOo | wait |
| 15:42.53 | akb_oOo | where r u going? |
| 15:43.04 | Guest27365 | i think im going to uncheck those buttons under the services tab |
| 15:43.08 | Guest27365 | im not going anywhere |
| 15:43.14 | Guest27365 | im staying here for a while |
| 15:43.16 | akb_oOo | hmm |
| 15:43.22 | akb_oOo | do that and let me know what happened |
| 15:44.24 | Guest27365 | yeah....ill be back soon....hm....whats the name of this irc server? |
| 15:44.36 | Guest27365 | i think i clicked a direct link on a web page to get here |
| 15:44.47 | akb_oOo | cool |
| 15:47.22 | akb_oOo | i hope his system dosent crash |
| 15:48.04 | salvo | lol |
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| 15:49.30 | Guest27365 | super! |
| 15:49.30 | *** part/#tomcat akb_oOo (akb@as16-167.qualitynet.net) |
| 15:49.46 | Guest27365 | it worked |
| 15:49.55 | Guest27365 | thanks to all who helped me |
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| 16:08.58 | Hellaenergy | welcome :) |
| 16:09.13 | hook|server | cool, i know tiny bits of java |
| 16:09.25 | Hellaenergy | Its a handy tool ;) |
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| 18:44.23 | akb_oOo | hey |
| 18:44.25 | akb_oOo | sup |
| 18:45.28 | akb_oOo | !ping me |
| 18:45.37 | farmer | --- Ping reply from akb_oOo : 1.10 second(s) |
| 18:45.39 | farmer | :-) |
| 18:46.26 | akb_oOo | i just saw three movies and my mind feels like a veggie |
| 18:46.26 | akb_oOo | ty farmer |
| 18:46.26 | akb_oOo | how r the potatoes? |
| 18:46.47 | akb_oOo | gladiator, k-19 and insomia ... three different movies with totally different theme :`( Kids dont try this to your mind.. |
| 18:46.56 | farmer | hehe |
| 18:47.08 | farmer | still growin |
| 18:47.16 | akb_oOo | nice :) |
| 18:47.21 | akb_oOo | we are lagged |
| 18:47.24 | akb_oOo | !ping farmer |
| 18:49.09 | akb_oOo | hey, sometimes movies are so stupid. in Insomia, Al Pachino sneaks in Robin williams home, and there are two dogs in that home, they dont even bark forget attack... |
| 18:49.38 | farmer | he gives them a bone |
| 18:49.39 | farmer | or sth? |
| 18:49.40 | farmer | doesnt he |
| 18:49.41 | akb_oOo | well if my cat saw a stranger at home, she would tear his arse apart.. two dogs and not even a woof? |
| 18:50.04 | akb_oOo | well dogs are not that stupid |
| 18:50.25 | akb_oOo | he gives them some cashews or biscuits that to meager.. |
| 18:50.30 | akb_oOo | droplets |
| 18:51.12 | akb_oOo | anyway, insomia was a strange movie |
| 18:51.38 | akb_oOo | did u see insomia farmer? |
| 18:52.12 | farmer | yep |
| 18:52.24 | akb_oOo | ok |
| 18:52.26 | akb_oOo | i dont understand |
| 18:52.56 | akb_oOo | why did the motel receptionist sleep on Al-Pachino's bed when he left the hotel for the last time before he got killed? |
| 18:53.39 | farmer | hmm they had sex so she slept over? |
| 18:53.39 | farmer | or sth |
| 18:53.44 | farmer | i dont remmeber exaclyt |
| 18:53.44 | farmer | ;) |
| 18:53.46 | akb_oOo | lol it was al pachino who was suffering from insomia and he made her sleep.. |
| 18:53.59 | akb_oOo | well the DVD is clean |
| 18:54.08 | akb_oOo | no sex things in it |
| 18:54.12 | farmer | i saw the divx |
| 18:54.22 | akb_oOo | cool u d/l it online? |
| 18:54.29 | farmer | yeap |
| 18:54.35 | akb_oOo | :) |
| 18:55.25 | akb_oOo | and how on earth two old men( Pachino, robin) run all around alaska for a chase? |
| 18:55.47 | akb_oOo | i want to run like that over rivers even.. what do they eat? potatoes of ur farm? |
| 18:55.58 | farmer | hehe |
| 18:56.15 | akb_oOo | saw how easily robin ran over those logs flowing through the river? |
| 18:56.43 | akb_oOo | oops vix couldnt take this crap of ours :P |
| 18:56.44 | farmer | yeap |
| 18:56.47 | farmer | he probably trained:) |
| 18:56.58 | akb_oOo | naw it was a double |
| 18:57.35 | farmer | hhe |
| 18:58.31 | akb_oOo | i got shallow hal and traffic left.. i guess both r silly stuff.. |
| 18:59.08 | farmer | traffic is ok |
| 18:59.12 | farmer | didnt see shallow hal |
| 18:59.47 | Hellaenergy | akb_oOo: what was that flash site with the political games? |
| 18:59.56 | akb_oOo | i dont want to see catherine's arse and get nightmares as they showed her in entrapment previews |
| 19:00.05 | akb_oOo | hey Hellaenergy |
| 19:00.18 | akb_oOo | i dunno m8 lemme check it |
| 19:01.57 | farmer | im checking a big divx archive just now for a good movie |
| 19:02.11 | farmer | already on letter M and nothing intresting yet:) |
| 19:02.39 | akb_oOo | www.idleworm.com/nws/2002/11/iraq2.shtml |
| 19:02.41 | akb_oOo | this one? |
| 19:03.08 | akb_oOo | lol look at bush on the right hand :P |
| 19:04.32 | akb_oOo | cnn says you are just like winston churchil lollll |
| 19:06.30 | akb_oOo | baghdad crate is liberated, 22 survivors greet the army!! lmao Hey, where is saddam lol |
| 19:07.40 | akb_oOo | look at blair and rice :D some piece of art huh |
| 19:08.35 | akb_oOo | who is Judy Woodruff and does she wet her knickers live on tv? did she do that before?... |
| 19:10.10 | Hellaenergy | akb_oOo: Thanks for the link ;) |
| 19:10.33 | akb_oOo | :) glad i found it |
| 19:10.40 | akb_oOo | i thought it was gone.. |
| 19:10.51 | akb_oOo | who is judy? |
| 19:12.42 | akb_oOo | Intelligence Alert: you cant make an omlet without breaking a few eggs... |
| 19:15.34 | akb_oOo | strange why did hella quit.. |
| 19:17.32 | akb_oOo | hey jasonb u here |
| 19:18.23 | akb_oOo | what are u doing farmer? |
| 19:18.48 | farmer | ircing pointlessly |
| 19:18.59 | farmer | and downloading gangs of new york from korea:) |
| 19:19.33 | *** join/#tomcat Hellaenergy (~Hellaener@hellaweb.com) |
| 19:19.34 | akb_oOo | lol |
| 19:19.36 | akb_oOo | :) |
| 19:19.44 | akb_oOo | hey wb hella |
| 19:19.46 | akb_oOo | where did ya go? |
| 19:20.43 | Hellaenergy | reboot ;) |
| 19:20.55 | akb_oOo | cool |
| 19:21.06 | akb_oOo | u like that site or want to report it to someone ;) |
| 19:22.24 | farmer | hmm now i have to fire up linux-mozilla just to watch that flash |
| 19:22.37 | akb_oOo | :) |
| 19:23.38 | akb_oOo | hey hella ever saw joecartoon? |
| 19:23.52 | akb_oOo | www.joecartoon.com check out all the clips in the cartoon section |
| 19:24.00 | Hellaenergy | oh yeah that old school ;) |
| 19:24.00 | farmer | yeah i saw |
| 19:24.09 | farmer | frog in the oven and such :) |
| 19:24.13 | akb_oOo | and there is always www.orisinal.com for some relaxation |
| 19:24.16 | Hellaenergy | you been to http://bullseyeart.com |
| 19:24.18 | akb_oOo | lol farmer |
| 19:24.28 | akb_oOo | nope not yet |
| 19:24.41 | farmer | now i have to get me headphones |
| 19:24.48 | akb_oOo | is joecartoon famous? |
| 19:25.57 | Hellaenergy | es |
| 19:26.00 | Hellaenergy | y |
| 19:28.48 | akb_oOo | cool |
| 19:29.48 | farmer | yeap |
| 19:29.59 | farmer | i saw it atleast 2 years ago and it was famous then |
| 19:30.17 | akb_oOo | :) |
| 19:30.25 | akb_oOo | nice |
| 19:31.06 | akb_oOo | so what does your work involve hella? |
| 19:36.17 | akb_oOo | wrong question? |
| 19:37.18 | Hellaenergy | Smart Cards |
| 19:37.43 | Hellaenergy | Yours? |
| 19:38.12 | akb_oOo | :) |
| 19:38.23 | akb_oOo | i remember now, smartcards are cool |
| 19:38.39 | akb_oOo | mine is just some application development and managing stuff |
| 19:39.14 | akb_oOo | hey am just a newbie remember ;) |
| 19:39.27 | Hellaenergy | We are all newbies at heart |
| 19:40.04 | akb_oOo | yes you need that kind of inqusitiveness else u are dead meat in the market |
| 19:43.18 | akb_oOo | what do you think about the present trend hella, where will it lead to? |
| 19:44.30 | akb_oOo | what will be in and what will be out? all want to tap the pda market.. am not too sure about that though |
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| 19:46.43 | Hellaenergy | akb_oOo: what trend? |
| 19:48.34 | akb_oOo | the market |
| 19:48.47 | akb_oOo | software, et all |
| 19:49.41 | Hellaenergy | what kind of software? |
| 19:49.49 | akb_oOo | :/ |
| 19:50.24 | akb_oOo | languages software development technology |
| 19:50.58 | akb_oOo | internet will go in 10 yrs and something more powerful will come, that was a prediction like a year ago or so.. |
| 19:50.59 | Hellaenergy | akb_oOo: I don't have time for this converstion right now |
| 19:51.03 | akb_oOo | stuff like that |
| 19:51.12 | akb_oOo | ok Hellaenergy u do ur stuff |
| 19:51.16 | akb_oOo | laters |
| 20:09.06 | akb_oOo | so farmer how is gangs of ny |
| 20:10.26 | farmer | uploaded 'ninja-xvid-gony1.r39' (15000000) at 182.92 kb/s (80 seconds) |
| 20:10.29 | farmer | finishing off first cd |
| 20:10.40 | akb_oOo | cool |
| 20:10.56 | akb_oOo | lol it would take me a month 4 dat:) |
| 20:11.07 | farmer | :)) |
| 20:11.11 | farmer | yeah cheap adsl here |
| 20:11.17 | akb_oOo | i got dialup |
| 20:11.50 | *** join/#tomcat Hellaenergy (~Hellaener@hellaweb.com) |
| 20:11.52 | akb_oOo | i dont dl much stuff |
| 20:12.31 | akb_oOo | all i do is check mail, irc only here n sometimes dl docs |
| 20:13.00 | farmer | WILEY.MASTERING.JAKARTA.STRUTS-JGT (1F/1.0M/72d 16h) woo need to get this :-) |
| 20:13.15 | farmer | yeah i dont so much either |
| 20:13.19 | farmer | sometimes a movie |
| 20:13.34 | akb_oOo | cool where is the addy for that? |
| 20:13.42 | farmer | hehe private sites.. :) |
| 20:13.49 | farmer | i can send you when i get it |
| 20:14.04 | akb_oOo | no i mean WILEY.MASTERING.JAKARTA.STRUTS-JGT |
| 20:14.25 | farmer | yeah i meant that |
| 20:14.39 | akb_oOo | oh |
| 20:14.43 | akb_oOo | k |
| 20:14.44 | farmer | darn its not there anymore |
| 20:14.45 | akb_oOo | :) |
| 20:14.47 | farmer | too old |
| 20:14.55 | akb_oOo | :/ |
| 20:15.48 | akb_oOo | any good site where i can get online books to dl |
| 20:16.06 | farmer | yeah i would want that too.. some archive |
| 20:21.56 | farmer | JavaServer Pages, 2nd Edition.pdf want this?:) |
| 20:22.36 | akb_oOo | sure |
| 20:22.36 | akb_oOo | vow |
| 20:22.37 | akb_oOo | :) |
| 20:26.41 | akb_oOo | farmer? |
| 20:26.58 | farmer | yes>? |
| 20:27.19 | akb_oOo | i thought u would send me the link or the file :) |
| 20:27.40 | farmer | there is no link hehe |
| 20:27.49 | akb_oOo | ok.. |
| 20:28.01 | farmer | i can put it on web if you want |
| 20:28.07 | akb_oOo | sure :) |
| 20:28.14 | akb_oOo | how big is the file? |
| 20:28.16 | farmer | 3mb |
| 20:28.21 | akb_oOo | nice |
| 20:28.47 | akb_oOo | just let me know the link where u will palce it |
| 20:29.10 | akb_oOo | oh wait |
| 20:29.50 | akb_oOo | ok try it now |
| 20:30.04 | akb_oOo | i didnt have .pdf in my folder options |
| 20:30.28 | akb_oOo | cool :) |
| 20:30.30 | akb_oOo | ty |
| 20:30.55 | farmer | not very speedy tho:) |
| 20:30.59 | akb_oOo | how old r u farmer? |
| 20:31.05 | akb_oOo | yeah am on dialup remember :) |
| 20:31.06 | farmer | 19 |
| 20:31.13 | farmer | yeah but you should get 3+ :) |
| 20:31.32 | akb_oOo | great :) lot to learn more farmer :) |
| 20:31.39 | akb_oOo | are you a student? |
| 20:32.16 | farmer | still high school |
| 20:32.25 | akb_oOo | great |
| 20:32.28 | farmer | kind pausing scholl this year |
| 20:32.28 | akb_oOo | :) |
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| 20:32.36 | akb_oOo | oh why? |
| 20:32.36 | farmer | kinda |
| 20:32.48 | farmer | well i kinda didnt make the year |
| 20:32.58 | farmer | and i didnt want to go back to my old school |
| 20:33.00 | akb_oOo | personal reasons? |
| 20:33.01 | farmer | since i dont like it |
| 20:33.06 | farmer | you could say |
| 20:33.11 | akb_oOo | hmm |
| 20:33.39 | akb_oOo | why so? |
| 20:33.58 | akb_oOo | love bug there in old school? |
| 20:34.06 | farmer | it was supposed to be a computer school but i know i never learned anything new and it just wasnt interesting |
| 20:34.07 | farmer | :) |
| 20:34.16 | akb_oOo | hmm |
| 20:34.32 | akb_oOo | honestly i am a computer engineer |
| 20:34.37 | farmer | all the teacher just knew how to speak about theory but nobody could program nothing |
| 20:34.42 | farmer | *teachers |
| 20:34.55 | farmer | and we learned pascal (blah) |
| 20:35.03 | akb_oOo | but its just on that piece of paper :/ they dont teach what they should now a days either its too outdated or unwanted |
| 20:35.06 | farmer | i learned that by myself 6 years ago |
| 20:35.07 | farmer | :) |
| 20:35.08 | akb_oOo | lol farmer me 2 |
| 20:35.33 | akb_oOo | i learnt basic fortran77 cobal pascal c |
| 20:35.43 | farmer | cool |
| 20:35.47 | akb_oOo | and just 5 commands of unix as our lab was dos based |
| 20:36.07 | farmer | we just have pascal and motorola assembler (and im not a big fan of lower-level programming ;p) |
| 20:36.13 | akb_oOo | and i learnt java in 99-2000 by myself but after that lost touch |
| 20:36.22 | akb_oOo | lol |
| 20:36.30 | farmer | hehe yeah some unix here too.. but im a unix wiz so i learnt nothing new there |
| 20:36.33 | akb_oOo | we got 8085,8086 |
| 20:36.38 | farmer | i helped the teachers and other people |
| 20:36.51 | akb_oOo | then we learnt up to a pentium |
| 20:36.54 | akb_oOo | cool |
| 20:36.56 | farmer | thats better |
| 20:37.09 | farmer | at least i can write something that works for x86 |
| 20:37.10 | akb_oOo | but all hardware stuff |
| 20:37.25 | akb_oOo | :) me too i was good at it |
| 20:37.55 | farmer | but when ill go to university its just java java java i hear.. they're even dropping c |
| 20:38.01 | akb_oOo | sdic was cool too system design and integration... but i dont know why is it in a computer engg course |
| 20:38.24 | akb_oOo | java is good, try to master it, its here for a while.. |
| 20:38.33 | farmer | yeah its ok |
| 20:38.57 | farmer | i kinda like ruby the best tho.. but its a scripting language so you cant compare them fairly |
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| 20:41.03 | a4akb | oops |
| 20:41.03 | a4akb | got dc |
| 20:41.04 | a4akb | resend the file please :) it will resume |
| 20:42.45 | farmer | sure |
| 20:43.07 | a4akb | farmer u here? |
| 20:43.46 | farmer | hm |
| 20:43.49 | farmer | cant u see me :) |
| 20:43.56 | a4akb | lag |
| 20:44.02 | a4akb | we are lagging i guess |
| 20:44.09 | farmer | uh well im not |
| 20:44.40 | a4akb | hmm |
| 20:45.17 | farmer | hmm |
| 20:45.44 | a4akb | send again? |
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