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00:30.10Hellaenergyhi
00:33.50maplemanhi
00:43.00Hellaenergyhow ya doin?
00:43.35jasonbHey kids!  Here's the peripheral we've all been waiting for: http://www.dct-net.co.jp/special/usb_hot.html
00:44.00jasonbFinally, a good use for your USB port.
00:48.09jasonbAnd to top it all off, it's basically got the Java logo on the mug.  Cool!  :)
00:48.11HellaenergyHow ya doin jasonb :)
00:48.28jasonbHellaenergy: Pretty much the same.  And you?
00:48.50HellaenergyYou don't want to know ;)
00:49.05jasonbWhoa, that good, huh?  Cool.
00:49.13Hellaenergythat is the coolest USB thingy I have ever seen :)
00:49.17Hellaenergyya that good :)
00:49.40HellaenergyI can't belive its real :)
00:49.54jasonbAnd here all this time I've been racing to drink my mug of tea before it got cold..
00:50.24Hellaenergylol
00:52.35Hellaenergyjasonb: have you ever done a swing progress bar?
00:52.45Hellaenergyor anyone for that matter
00:56.59jasonbHellaenergy: Yeah, back in like 1998.  :)
00:58.10HellaenergyHow do you do it?
00:58.20Hellaenergyloop?
00:59.41HellaenergyWell I gots to get home now see you all later :)
00:59.47Hellaenergypeace
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01:00.46jasonbHellaenergy: Okay, I have all of the answers you need.
01:00.56jasonbOh wait, he left before I could tell him.  :)
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02:41.07HellaenergyHey Hey Hey
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03:37.04HellaenergyYo Spline
03:37.18Splinehhheeeeyyy
03:37.52HellaenergyWhats up with you?
03:38.04Splinenot a lot
03:38.28HellaenergyLivin and Lovin?
03:38.40Splinebattling an "inherited" jsp/servlets based app
03:38.49Splinetrying to get it working on Websphere 4
03:39.02HellaenergyHow is Websphere?
03:39.06Splinebleh
03:39.17SplineWebsphere 4 was the latest and greatest until very recetly
03:39.22Splineand it is only J2EE 1.2
03:39.37HellaenergyThats IBM right?
03:39.44SplinePlus, I can't figure out why my session variable in a JSP is null
03:39.46SplineYea, IBM
03:40.18HellaenergyCan you hook a debugger to it?
03:40.26Splinehmm.. not sure
03:40.42SplineDon't think so, I have to connect to the Websphere server over SSH
03:40.55Hellaenergyhm
03:40.56SplineAnd I don't have WSAD
03:40.59SplineI'm using Netbeans
03:41.09Hellaenergyme too :)
03:41.22SplineIt's not a particular session var, its THE session variable
03:41.24HellaenergyBut yeah thats too bad
03:41.27Spline(session == null)
03:41.42Hellaenergyjasonb: You listening?
03:42.04HellaenergyWhat is THE session varable for?
03:42.14Splineheh
03:42.29SplineIt is the var with which you access all the session attributes
03:42.32SplineHttpSession
03:42.53SplineI get null when I try HttpSession mySession = request.getSession(true)
03:43.02Splinethats supposed to be guaranteed non-null I thought
03:44.01HellaenergySorry I can't be of more help
03:45.08Splines'ok, I'm googling :)
03:45.14Splinehows it going?
03:46.07HellaenergyI just figured out how to build the gui with netbeans
03:46.10Hellaenergynow for the logic
03:46.22HellaenergyI am going to have a progress bar as well :)
03:46.30HellaenergyJProgressBar
03:47.35Splinehttp://www.objectmentor.com
03:47.41Splinelook up the Humble Dialog
03:47.51SplineNot directly pertinent, but still I think you'll like it
03:49.08Hellaenergy?? The humble dialog
03:49.42Splineyea
03:49.46Splineits an article on that web site
03:50.01Splinedescribes a design pattern for keeping your real code separate from your GUI code
03:50.14Hellaenergyoh thanks :)
03:50.17SplineI predict you will be much happier with your final product if you try and use what it says :)
03:55.42HellaenergyThis is the link in case you wanted it :) http://www.objectmentor.com/resources/articles/TheHumbleDialogBox.pdf
03:57.15SplineI was just too lazy to go find it :)
03:57.20Splinethat site has lots of interesting articles
04:00.23HellaenergySpine do you know how to set a JFrame in netbeans to a default size?
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04:01.25illusionHello
04:01.47HellaenergyHi
04:02.04Splineheh
04:02.28SplineHella: not off the top of my head, but all the autogenned GUI pieces have a little properties panel
04:02.32illusionwould anyone here be able to answer a quick mod_jk2 question?
04:02.48Splineyou're talking about initialization, not on-the-fly right?
04:03.00HellaenergyI think
04:03.01Splineillusion: no mod_jk* experience here until a couple weeks from now
04:03.22HellaenergyRight now the JPanel grows to fit the objects within (looks ugly)
04:03.34illusionSpline: why's that, if you don't mind my asking?
04:03.41SplineHellaenergy: thats your layout
04:03.58Splineillusion: because my apps are currently using the Tomcat native web server (coyote)
04:04.03illusionSpline: it's more got to do with the binaries for 2.0.2 (IIRC) not being on the site
04:04.11HellaenergySpline: Layout is structured ;)
04:04.21illusionSpline: oic, thanks anyway I guess
04:04.22Splinebut one of these days I will be slipping an apache server in between
04:05.17illusionyeah, that's more or less what I'm trying to do
04:06.40Hellaenergyillusion: what is the question
04:06.49Hellaenergyjust ask and maybe someone will anser
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04:08.17illusionHellaenergy: I'm just looking on the site for the binary of jk2, but it's not in the directory... just curious if it's going to be posted soon
04:08.53illusionHellaenergy: I'm looking for the linux version and it seems as though it's not posted while Win32 and solaris are
04:10.33Hellaenergyillusion: Build it yourself ;)
04:10.37HellaenergyLinux?
04:10.40Hellaenergyyou say.
04:10.55illusionHellaenergy: yeah, yeah. there is that :)
04:11.14illusionHellaenergy: indeed, slackware 8
04:11.26SplineSwitch to Gentoo!  I did!
04:11.33Splinelol no i still have 2 slack8 boxen
04:11.51maplemangentoo, ugh, its great but if you upgrade daily as I do youll never get anything done
04:12.12illusionSpline: can't, it's a multiuser system and I'd get beat up if I did that :P
04:12.59Splineheh
04:13.01Splinemapleman: true
04:13.11SplineI am actually LFSing my firewall
04:13.20Splinegentoo is too heavyweight for specialized systems like that
04:13.24Splinegreat for my laptop though
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06:57.01jasonbHmm.  Interesting.  This is from www.netcraft.com: "The site www.weblogic.com is running Apache/1.3.6 (Unix) PHP/3.0.7 on Solaris 8."
06:57.08jasonbI guess they're not so sure that their Java application server is the best solution for their own web site.
07:02.14jkkjasonb: wow that's terrible
07:02.14jkkdude
07:02.31jkkhow do i work with Jar files? i just want to get files/directories out of a jar file?
07:04.30jasonbjar tf <jar-file>
07:04.34jasonbThat lists everything in it.
07:04.44jasonbjar xf <jar-file>
07:04.54jasonbThat extracts everything from it.
07:04.54jkkno i mean programatically
07:05.00jasonbOh.
07:05.03jasonbheh.
07:05.06jkkhehe
07:05.26jasonbUmm, there's some util class in the core Java class libraries that lets you do that.
07:05.55jasonbI seem to remember it's in a pkg called java.util.zip or java.util.jar or something.
07:07.49jkki see java.util.jar but, ok, lemme see what i can figure out
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08:59.54Zenoxi'm running tomcat through eclipse (an java environment) in X thus starting it using an ordinary user. tomcat 4.1 gives an error when starting up: permission denied on /etc/tomcat4/server.xml (of course)... what's the best way to fix this? should i run the entire environment as root instead using sudo or is it possible some other way?
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10:45.55TomekNhello.
11:08.17TomekNare there any tomcat-developers here that could possibly answer couple of my questions?
11:17.13bigkevmcdTomekN: if you ask your questions, you might get answers
11:17.33TomekNok.
11:17.49TomekN1. How can one manage (with manager app) all engine's webapps (contexts)? I mean not specific vhost contexts, but all vhosts at once?
11:18.53TomekN2. Can I assign maximum memory to specific vhost or even webapp? Not just for whole Tomcat instance (JVM).
11:19.04bigkevmcdI'd doubt that
11:19.21TomekN3. Is Tomcat restarting (stoping and starting again) the only way to add another vhost to server configuration?
11:19.39TomekN4. Can Tomcat log such erros that Apache HTTPd log into error_log files? (ie file not found, etc..)
11:19.50TomekN5. Why exectly are connectors used to redirect requests from webserver to Tomcat? What abount mod_rewriting 8080 to 80 instead?
11:19.55TomekNThat's it.
11:20.29bigkevmcd4. It does already
11:20.44bigkevmcd5. Yes, I don't see any problem with that at all
11:23.05TomekNI asked 5 because I get a lot of errors useing mod_jk and I don't really understand it's complexivity
11:23.40bigkevmcdyou get errors in the access log
11:23.53bigkevmcd192.168.1.216 - - [27/Feb/2003:00:46:52 00] "GET /cocoon/docs/realise/demo_pr.html HTTP/1.0" 200 304
11:23.58bigkevmcdthere's a 200 <- file ok
11:24.07bigkevmcdthis is a 500 (internal server error)
11:24.08bigkevmcd192.168.1.216 - - [27/Feb/2003:00:20:51 00] "GET /cocoon/docs/realise/demo_pr.html HTTP/1.0" 500 6340
11:27.55bigkevmcdon 1, I never use the manager app, so, tbh I dunno
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11:32.52TomekN2i been disconnected :(
11:33.04TomekN2ok, you right bigkevmcd abount access_log
11:33.42TomekN2I suppose I wouldnt have these messages if I would rewrite instead of use connector. Am I right?
11:34.44TomekN2Then I should increase Tomcat vhost logger verbosity to have these errors also in Tomcat logs?
11:38.03TomekN2Well, actually I have verbosity="1" set in Logger element (which as documentation says means "logs errors") but it doesn't log such file not found errors
11:42.23TomekN2"<bigkevmcd> I'd doubt that" <-- to which of my questions was this comment for?
11:53.52bigkevmcdcontrollable memory
11:54.03bigkevmcdI'd be surprised if you can control the memory for a context
11:55.04TomekN2what about Q#1 and Q#3?
11:55.29bigkevmcdQ1 - I don't use the manager app, so, someone else would need to answer that
11:55.41bigkevmcdQ3 - Yes, as far as I know
11:58.20TomekN2O right. All is now more clear to me :)
11:58.49TomekN2but I still cant find any way to tell tomcat to log http errors to it's own logs
12:02.01bigkevmcdhttp://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-4.1-doc/config/valve.html#Access%20Log%20Valve
12:02.39bigkevmcdstill...can't see how to produce an error log
12:03.35bigkevmcdin fairness, Apache access logs also contain 400s etc
12:03.46TomekN2I suppose that access log also logs error status codes in that manner that apache does
12:04.20TomekN2but apache httpd has this special feture that it can strip these status codes to other file :)
12:04.36TomekN2I wonder if Tomcat could to that
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12:44.49Zenoxhow can i get tomcat to run using an ordinary user (running debian and X)?
12:54.42TomekN2run it from ordinary user?
12:55.03bigkevmcdseems sensible to me :)
12:55.12ZenoxTomekN2: yes, not as root :)
12:55.48Zenoxi've fixed so that it's running on port 8080 which is one problem
12:56.13Zenoxthe other problem is that it want to write logs and server.xml etc in /etc/tomcat4 and /var/log/tomcat4
12:57.34bigkevmcdyou probably want to leave server.xml as root owned
12:57.49bigkevmcdbut...the logs, you can chown the directory without much of a difficulty,
12:59.37TomekN2zenox:
12:59.57TomekN2chown root.root tomcat -R
13:00.26TomekN2chown tomcat.www tomcat/logs -R; chown tomcat.www tomcat/work -R;
13:00.41TomekN2chown tomcat.www tomcat/conf -R;
13:00.56TomekN2add user tomcat to your system
13:01.19TomekN2run tomcat with command: su tomcat -c "$CATALINA_HOME/bin/catalina.sh start"
13:01.27TomekN2start tomcat with command: su tomcat -c "$CATALINA_HOME/bin/catalina.sh stop"
13:01.58TomekN2use connectors to join it with apache (to move appls to 80 port)
13:02.02TomekN2amen.
13:02.26ZenoxTomekN2: thanks alot, seems pretty logical :) will try it out...
13:10.00TomekN2bigkevmcd im really disappointed tomcat cant split requests that serialize with error status code to separate file in that manner apache does
13:10.36TomekN2it seems that it cant; neigher throu it's on logger (value) nor connector->apache logger
13:10.39TomekN2:/
13:14.46bigkevmcdTomekN2: I'd guess that you could write your own logger...
13:14.49bigkevmcdsubclass an existing one
13:15.02TomekN2i see :)
13:15.30TomekN2anyway, do you think i shell ask about it @ tomcat-user list?
13:15.40TomekN2or this is for sure it can't?
13:16.17bigkevmcdyou could ask...someone may have done just that
13:16.53TomekN2I see
13:16.54TomekN2ok.
13:17.32bigkevmcdhttp://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=tomcat-user&w=2&r=1&s=error+log+separate&q=b
13:17.40bigkevmcdalternatively, you could plough through some of that :)
13:26.03TomekN2ok, i will go through the archive first :)
13:29.16bigkevmcd(always better to check first, especially if your asbestos suit isn't quite as snug as you think ;)
13:44.21ZenoxTomekN2: thanks alot, now it works like a charm... made it a little bit differently just to make it easier for me with some stuff but nice to know which directories to change permissions on! thanks again dude :)
13:44.59TomekN2no problem
13:48.51Zenoxbtw, anyone know of a good logparser for tomcat? like webalizer, but that's not going to work because of the rotating logs and stuff? this aint that important though, mostly curious
13:53.29bigkevmcdZenox: why wouldn't webalizer work?
13:53.35bigkevmcdbut...analog?
13:55.43Zenoxbigkevmcd: it works, but it looks for a single apache logfile... but tomcat (catalina) logrotates, so it creates a different log every day, with a name of catalina_log_[date].log or something like that...
13:57.02bigkevmcdanalog is capable of analysing wildcard log files
13:57.08bigkevmcdi.e. cata_log_*
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14:31.30Oracmornin all
14:31.47OracI'm getting ready to install 3.2.4 (Yes I know its OLD)
14:32.10Oracis there any good starting docs ie  a howto that would be useful?
14:43.05bigkevmcdfirst thing...go for 3.3.1a
14:43.10bigkevmcddon't install 3.2.4
14:43.27bigkevmcda) it's not very production ready
14:43.32bigkevmcdb) there's a gaping security hole
14:44.31OracI have no choice
14:44.46Oraconly version supported by product
14:45.13bigkevmcdI wouldn't install the product
14:45.17Oracheheh... I might call them
14:45.20Oracthanks for the info
14:45.39bigkevmcd4.x is considerably better than either 3.2.x or 3.3.x
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15:11.53jannikHi, anyone with experience with jk2-uri's and regex?
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16:20.32jannikdoes anyone know where to find information on regexp in jk2-uri's?
16:32.20Archeroni don't know... what kind of regex you need?
16:36.30jannikI need to match on a regex  like this [uri:mydomain/\w*.jsp]
16:36.53jannikbut I can't get it to work
16:37.37jannikI'm not sure how, or even if, jk2 support regex
16:39.22Archeronnot sure man
16:39.36jannikok
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17:32.58BigCanOfTunaWhat do I have to do to get my servlet to accept requests? I keep getting the 405 error "Get is not supported". I have been trying to search the mail archives, but they are soooooooo slow!
17:57.35HellaenergyPatients my son patients
18:06.48OracAny of you use tomcat on HP?
18:07.12Oracerr HP-UX
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18:35.14hellabot"BigCanOfTuna" pasted 405 error...I know it is a configuration issue. at http://www.hellaweb.com:8888/50
18:35.34BigCanOfTunaAny help on this one is greatly appreciated.
18:43.47AngusTuna: what happens if you omit the servlet definition from the web.xml file and try to hit the servlet using servlet/full qualified serlet name?
18:48.32AngusYou _have_ defined a doGet() in the servlet, right?
18:50.10Angus(or rather doGet(HttpServletRequest, HttpServletResponse)
19:00.31BigCanOfTunaAngus: Thanks for the speedy repsonse. =-)  I do have doGet in the servlet....I will try the fully qualified path.
19:01.18BigCanOfTunaAngus: Same thing...not supported.
19:11.47AngusHmm. That's odd. Are you sure everthing is up to date (i.e., if ou added the doGet method after deploying the servlet you have reloaded the app, or restarted Tomcat?
19:14.45BigCanOfTunaAngus: yes, many times. It is very frustrating.
19:15.26BigCanOfTunaAngus: I don't have to set up security or anything do I?
19:17.34AngusErm, I shouldn't think so. I mean that shouldn't cause a 405. Have ou tried _not_ specifing servlet and servlet-mapping elements in web.xml, and then tring to access the servlet by it's full qualified name?
19:21.02BigCanOfTunaAngus: Well, I think so. I have removed it from the web.xml....What do you mean by the fully qualified name? How do you denote that in the URL?
19:22.51AngusIt sounds like the superclasses method is being called for some reason. Are you calling super in your doGet?
19:24.43AngusAre your parameter types right for doGet?
19:28.07BigCanOfTunaAngus, thanks for your help. It seems that when you over ride the doGet or doPost method (as is done using Eclipse), if you call super.doGet or super.doPost, it seems to screw things up.
19:30.29Anguseah, that would definitely screw things up :).
19:30.58AngusThe base class implementation's behavior _is_ to send back that response in doGet and doPost.
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