| 00:00.04 | agilman | thats my ubuntu drive, I never had an hda3 |
| 00:00.04 | swoolley | that's clearly your problem |
| 00:00.14 | swoolley | ... |
| 00:00.17 | ashanks | *drives to nearest pizza place* |
| 00:00.20 | ashanks | :) |
| 00:00.42 | agilman | alright, how would I install grub to the MBR from the liveCD? |
| 00:00.49 | Tryblithe | so much for linux |
| 00:00.50 | Tryblithe | -_- |
| 00:00.58 | swoolley | good question |
| 00:01.01 | swoolley | I use lilo |
| 00:01.10 | swoolley | wouldn't use grub unless forced to |
| 00:01.14 | ashanks | Tryblithe: you can fuck up boot partitions on any OS. it's hard drive thing. |
| 00:01.37 | swoolley | agilman: so back to my story, I saw her at the office and she invited me to a halloween party |
| 00:01.47 | agilman | so back to the story, help me fix this... |
| 00:01.48 | agilman | ;) |
| 00:02.02 | swoolley | agilman: then on the way out she said bye sweetie |
| 00:02.19 | swoolley | she totally knows I'm married |
| 00:02.31 | agilman | hmm, nice start |
| 00:02.40 | agilman | where did you meet her? |
| 00:02.40 | ashanks | oh my god. |
| 00:02.51 | ashanks | agilman's teaching swoolley to destroy his marriage. |
| 00:02.57 | swoolley | haha |
| 00:03.07 | ashanks | :( |
| 00:03.08 | ashanks | oregonians .. |
| 00:03.11 | swoolley | agilman: at the green party office |
| 00:03.26 | swoolley | she lives just north of reed |
| 00:03.42 | ashanks | swoolley: at least when you gave me advice, I wasn't already married. =) |
| 00:03.46 | swoolley | lived in thailand and asia and new york for the past seven yuears |
| 00:03.58 | ashanks | alien? |
| 00:04.05 | swoolley | no |
| 00:04.12 | swoolley | she's american |
| 00:04.26 | swoolley | standard american caucasian |
| 00:04.42 | agilman | swoolley, ok, how owuld I install lilo? |
| 00:04.52 | swoolley | don't, install grub instead |
| 00:05.00 | agilman | alright, how? |
| 00:05.02 | swoolley | look up online |
| 00:06.29 | agilman | I did 'grub --install-partition 2 |
| 00:07.17 | agilman | alright, IM gonna check out if it did anything |
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| 00:25.06 | Tryblithe | =_= |
| 00:27.47 | RyanF | <ashanks> agilman's teaching swoolley to destroy his marriage. |
| 00:27.47 | RyanF | <swoolley> haha |
| 00:27.47 | RyanF | <ashanks> :( |
| 00:27.47 | RyanF | <ashanks> oregonians .. |
| 00:27.47 | RyanF | LOL |
| 00:27.49 | RyanF | :) |
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| 00:30.26 | RyanF | DARTHPWNT!!!!!!!! :D |
| 00:30.32 | darthpwnt | THATS ME |
| 00:30.41 | RyanF | whasssssssssup dog |
| 00:31.13 | RyanF | agilman: you still here? |
| 00:31.58 | RyanF | ah guess not |
| 00:32.06 | RyanF | PANKEY! |
| 00:39.38 | ashanks | what's wrong with oregonians? |
| 00:39.50 | swoolley | nothing |
| 00:40.11 | swoolley | when the wives stop putting out, it's better they leave than for people to live in shitty relationships |
| 00:44.36 | ashanks | "to have and hold, to death do you part" |
| 00:44.52 | ashanks | and don't even start with those murderers in oregon. ... |
| 01:06.56 | swoolley | ashanks: haha, well, when to have and hold falls down on her end of the bargain, it's not my fault |
| 01:11.51 | ashanks | Chewbaca is gonna be on the new "Apprentice"? |
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| 02:13.36 | ashanks | brb. |
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| 02:58.03 | ashanks | hi scrooge. |
| 02:58.09 | scrooge | hi |
| 02:58.14 | ashanks | what's up? |
| 02:58.14 | scrooge | darthpwnt, die |
| 02:58.17 | scrooge | nafda |
| 02:58.19 | scrooge | nada |
| 02:58.28 | ashanks | yeah, ghost that nick? :) |
| 03:18.09 | ashanks | ooh |
| 03:18.24 | ashanks | swoolley: looks like asiammyself has a girlfriend now too. |
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| 03:53.33 | agilman | well, I reinstalled knoppix |
| 04:33.48 | ashanks | get your partitions working again? |
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| 04:53.17 | kryptech | hello |
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| 05:12.44 | kryptech | so hows it going |
| 05:12.58 | kryptech | I hate smart stuff |
| 05:13.04 | kryptech | like |
| 05:13.08 | kryptech | "finate state autometa" |
| 05:13.16 | kryptech | *finite |
| 05:24.21 | kryptech | f |
| 05:24.33 | kryptech | seg faults |
| 06:37.57 | kryptech | haha |
| 06:38.11 | kryptech | they have a feed the children ad and show how poor a village is |
| 06:38.28 | kryptech | and then they put the number up against a high tech speeding train background |
| 06:38.33 | kryptech | haha |
| 06:55.02 | kryptech | holy crap |
| 06:55.24 | kryptech | a guy made a gun that fired a shot 112 miles high |
| 07:10.50 | ashanks | Hello, kryptech. |
| 07:11.08 | kryptech | hello ashanks |
| 07:11.22 | kryptech | how are you doing |
| 07:11.30 | ashanks | Not good. |
| 07:11.37 | kryptech | why is that? |
| 07:11.45 | ashanks | Just watched a weirdish movie, and now I code for hour. or two. |
| 07:12.32 | kryptech | why is that not good? |
| 07:12.58 | ashanks | because |
| 07:13.11 | kryptech | hows the junior girl going? |
| 07:13.37 | ashanks | kryptech: answer my goddamn question, don't change the subject. |
| 07:13.48 | kryptech | ? |
| 07:13.50 | ashanks | http://tfprog.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=189 |
| 07:14.51 | kryptech | haha |
| 07:14.58 | kryptech | I'm programming something like that right now |
| 07:15.08 | ashanks | :/ |
| 07:15.15 | kryptech | writing programming language |
| 07:15.19 | ashanks | Answer the question. |
| 07:15.26 | kryptech | which question? |
| 07:15.35 | ashanks | No, this wouldn't be a compiler, it'd be recognizing english sentences. |
| 07:15.41 | kryptech | I read that |
| 07:15.49 | kryptech | but its along the same lines |
| 07:15.54 | ashanks | about where to get a good language processor from |
| 07:16.05 | kryptech | why do you want to do that? |
| 07:16.17 | kryptech | whatever it is, it sounds _really_ complex |
| 07:16.27 | ashanks | there's got to be an open source, english language processor, sitting around somewhere? |
| 07:16.35 | ashanks | like if I threw it : |
| 07:16.50 | ashanks | I am Alex |
| 07:16.51 | kryptech | parsing human language is about the hardest thing to do with parsing |
| 07:17.13 | kryptech | I have a paper on it, want the link? |
| 07:17.22 | kryptech | maybe you could write your own |
| 07:17.35 | kryptech | I dont think there is an open source one in existabce |
| 07:17.39 | kryptech | *existance |
| 07:17.45 | ashanks | it would return an array of words[1] = SUBJECT ... words[2] = VERB words[3] = NOUN |
| 07:17.46 | kryptech | and if there is, its probably not very good |
| 07:18.01 | kryptech | it would probably break it down more complexly than that |
| 07:18.47 | kryptech | the basis of all of this is very complex math, or language understanding. Your best bet is to check out the MIT AI lab |
| 07:19.04 | kryptech | if anyone wrote something like that, its them |
| 07:19.07 | ashanks | I don't want AI |
| 07:19.16 | kryptech | thats what it is |
| 07:19.21 | ashanks | I want Natural Language Recognition |
| 07:19.39 | kryptech | same thing, the MIT AI lab is taken as a very loose term for that kind of thing |
| 07:19.40 | ashanks | purl, google Natural Language Recognition |
| 07:20.24 | kryptech | they do all sorts of things like that. Also, take a look at the GNU emacs counlesor game that has a conversation with you |
| 07:20.37 | kryptech | it probably has something like htat |
| 07:20.46 | ashanks | emacs counselor? |
| 07:20.55 | kryptech | yeah, I think so |
| 07:21.12 | kryptech | if you find any of that kind of stuff, it will probably be written in lisp |
| 07:21.19 | ashanks | is it because using emacs can make you go psycho ? |
| 07:21.20 | kryptech | you will probably have to write a wrapper |
| 07:21.38 | kryptech | dunno, probably a demonstration of lisp's power |
| 07:22.15 | ashanks | I've seen Natural Language Recognizers. Good one. |
| 07:22.21 | kryptech | do you have a copy of 'The practice of programming' |
| 07:22.32 | ashanks | In fact I have one right up in my brain, too bad it's closed source :/ |
| 07:22.41 | kryptech | ashanks: of course, I'm sure they exist, but an open source implementation is doubtful |
| 07:23.15 | ashanks | they definitely exist, you and I both have one, but they are closed source and implemented in the DNA language/runtime ;) |
| 07:23.15 | kryptech | yes, the pursuit of mathmeticians is to understand the algorithms we used via black box abstraction |
| 07:23.45 | ashanks | maybe I could just make a model of the brain with a USB port. |
| 07:24.15 | kryptech | might be hard, we dont even understand how all the brain works yet... |
| 07:24.36 | ashanks | haha |
| 07:24.39 | kryptech | besides, I couldnt even write the USB subsystem for the linux kernel |
| 07:24.39 | ashanks | that's paradoxal |
| 07:24.53 | kryptech | maybe, but many things are |
| 07:25.04 | ashanks | assuming "we" is the brains in our bodies, we don't understand "us"? |
| 07:25.14 | kryptech | no |
| 07:25.42 | kryptech | I believe there are theories that exist to model general brain activity, the most notable neural networks |
| 07:26.35 | ashanks | (void) think { /* ? */ } |
| 07:26.56 | kryptech | woah, whats with the c 76 form? |
| 07:27.28 | kryptech | is that obj-c? |
| 07:27.34 | ashanks | it's sort of Objective-Cish quality code. |
| 07:27.37 | kryptech | void think (void) { } |
| 07:27.53 | kryptech | my language will be C based, but will have many shortcomings |
| 07:27.53 | ashanks | well, more like: |
| 07:28.04 | ashanks | @implementation Foobar // this is the class Foobar's code |
| 07:28.12 | ashanks | + (id) init |
| 07:28.13 | ashanks | { |
| 07:28.22 | ashanks | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:28.23 | ashanks | } |
| 07:28.25 | ashanks | @end |
| 07:28.47 | ashanks | I have a question kryptech. |
| 07:29.30 | ashanks | how come there is so much (automatic and manual) recursion in javascript implementations, and very little in C (w/GCC)? |
| 07:30.08 | kryptech | you mean why do people in C not use recursion as much? |
| 07:31.07 | ashanks | I mean, in most javascripts, you can have a function foobar(z) { x=1; y = foobar(x); return function() { return z + y; } } foobar(15); |
| 07:31.38 | kryptech | people in C consider how much memory is used |
| 07:31.54 | kryptech | do you know what the C calling convention is? |
| 07:31.56 | ashanks | yes... |
| 07:32.03 | ashanks | well |
| 07:32.28 | kryptech | well, whenever a function is called, all its arguments are pushed onto the stack in reverse order (a very simple view) |
| 07:32.43 | kryptech | if you do recursive functions, you use a lot of stack space |
| 07:32.49 | kryptech | unless you use tail-recursion |
| 07:32.49 | ashanks | in Obj-C, you can use automatic releasing of objects methods (when they are no longer needed they are released if you specify so) or manual releasing / deallocation for objects. |
| 07:32.58 | kryptech | yes |
| 07:33.09 | kryptech | C has no so called 'garbage collection' |
| 07:33.17 | kryptech | we have to keep track of our pointers |
| 07:33.38 | ashanks | in c, you use malloc() and free() but you can use a chunk at a time if you wish, using sizeof(struct) and stuff for allocation. |
| 07:33.57 | ashanks | Obj-C doesn't either |
| 07:34.00 | ashanks | That's java. |
| 07:34.03 | kryptech | *calloc() most of the time, its the shiny new thing |
| 07:34.03 | ashanks | Obj-C: |
| 07:35.29 | ashanks | [[[foobar alloc] init] autorelease]; // puts foobar object onto this autorelease pool, that when foobar is no longer called in the runtime, it considers it safe for throwing away unless somewhere you specifically tell it to [foobar retain]; which will keep the object until you tell it to [foobar release]; |
| 07:36.10 | ashanks | in Java, that's automatically done. and there's no real good manual way to avoid such a system. |
| 07:36.27 | kryptech | okay |
| 07:36.53 | kryptech | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_language_processing |
| 07:36.59 | ashanks | in Obj-C, you can still do [[[foobar init] alloc] retain]; and when you are done with the object, [foobar release]; |
| 07:37.41 | kryptech | right |
| 07:37.58 | kryptech | quite a complex system |
| 07:38.07 | ashanks | actually, in Obj-C, you can still do it the old school way with calloc() and free() ;-) (as obj-c is just C, but super-C!) |
| 07:38.26 | kryptech | yes obj-c was invented for IOCCC |
| 07:38.54 | kryptech | :) |
| 07:39.08 | ashanks | International Obscure Contest C (something)? |
| 07:39.26 | ashanks | that weird C contest with the one line programs that look really crazy? |
| 07:39.27 | kryptech | code contest |
| 07:39.34 | kryptech | sure |
| 07:39.43 | ashanks | heard of it |
| 07:39.51 | kryptech | as has everyone |
| 07:39.52 | ashanks | Obj-C was most certainly not invented for that. |
| 07:40.10 | ashanks | It's quite clear syntax, pure logic once you get the hang of it. |
| 07:40.31 | kryptech | easier than C? |
| 07:40.38 | ashanks | you have a Driver class, you want a "driver" instance, and you want it to tell it where to go, easy: |
| 07:40.47 | kryptech | ah yes, and the oo thing |
| 07:41.11 | kryptech | straight-c programmers often use c because they dislike oo |
| 07:41.29 | kryptech | at least, I do |
| 07:41.30 | ashanks | Driver *dude = [[dude init] autorelease]; // This is our dude object, he's going to be the taxi driver |
| 07:41.41 | kryptech | I cant say I dislike oo, by why try to make code look likethe world |
| 07:42.07 | ashanks | [dude go]; // calling the driver class' go method |
| 07:42.32 | ashanks | [dude go:@"left damnit"]; // calling go method of driver class with method arg's "left damnit" |
| 07:43.04 | ashanks | :-) |
| 07:43.10 | ashanks | OOP is nice man. |
| 07:43.19 | ashanks | C is good for lots of things |
| 07:43.27 | ashanks | but OOP is nniiiice. |
| 07:43.34 | kryptech | bah-c is good for all things |
| 07:43.43 | ashanks | bah-c? |
| 07:44.00 | kryptech | whats the regular expression to convert - to whitespace |
| 07:44.29 | ashanks | ?-/( ) or hell if I know |
| 07:44.46 | ashanks | ;) |
| 07:44.50 | ashanks | regexp is messed up |
| 07:45.03 | ashanks | needs more simplistic API |
| 07:45.14 | kryptech | there are many syntaxes of it |
| 07:45.23 | ashanks | I know that |
| 07:45.30 | kryptech | I know you know |
| 07:45.33 | ashanks | Perl style, (PRCE) |
| 07:45.49 | kryptech | *pcre |
| 07:46.00 | kryptech | perl common regular expressions |
| 07:46.05 | ashanks | there's also some weird one ereg or something, php has support for it |
| 07:46.09 | ashanks | yeah, whatever |
| 07:46.20 | ashanks | php has support for both |
| 07:46.30 | ashanks | python supports some form, forget which |
| 07:46.35 | kryptech | there is a posix regular expressions library for use on any unix system |
| 07:46.46 | ashanks | lol |
| 07:46.55 | kryptech | what? |
| 07:47.15 | ashanks | does linux support it? |
| 07:47.27 | kryptech | yes, linux is unix based |
| 07:48.05 | ashanks | GNU/Linux. Hmm. GNU's Not Unix, Linux? |
| 07:48.20 | kryptech | no, but its UNIX based |
| 07:48.39 | kryptech | but GNU dosent necessarilly mean linux either |
| 07:48.44 | ashanks | a free alternative, that's designed to be sort of a clone. |
| 07:48.59 | kryptech | it could refer to a bsd |
| 07:49.02 | kryptech | or even the hurd |
| 07:49.48 | ashanks | Interesting chat. Gotta code. |
| 07:49.56 | kryptech | I am |
| 07:50.03 | kryptech | just put your term next to your code |
| 07:51.51 | ashanks | heh |
| 07:53.20 | ashanks | just give me a highlight I suppose |
| 07:59.52 | kryptech | holy crap ashanks |
| 08:00.08 | kryptech | there is a history special about a guy that fought in the war |
| 08:00.13 | kryptech | *some war |
| 08:00.45 | kryptech | and is now an IT perfessor |
| 08:00.52 | kryptech | some linux hacker |
| 08:09.42 | ashanks | lol |
| 08:10.48 | ashanks | I just took out 2 functions inside a core SK class and made them in a separate file, as functions that wrap around the class |
| 08:11.08 | kryptech | sk? |
| 08:11.17 | ashanks | SaiKo. |
| 08:13.54 | ashanks | wow, on localhost using the remote DB, here is the benchmark: |
| 08:13.55 | ashanks | <!-- Exec time: 0.090264797210693 --> |
| 08:14.17 | kryptech | wow |
| 08:14.22 | kryptech | thats really pricise |
| 08:14.33 | kryptech | I'm not sure you could really get it that precise |
| 08:14.37 | ashanks | haha, the round function doesn't work well |
| 08:14.57 | kryptech | your CPU dosent tick that much |
| 08:15.15 | ashanks | it takes the microtime of when it starts loading every class (the beginning), until it finishes the output of the specified module (at the very end of the script) |
| 08:15.27 | ashanks | and it subtracts the difference |
| 08:15.37 | kryptech | ahh yes I did that |
| 08:16.21 | ashanks | pretty nice knowing you can parse approximately ~1000 lines and get a remote db to give you a lot data that fast. |
| 08:16.27 | ashanks | lol |
| 08:16.37 | ashanks | good thing I dynamically load each module. |
| 08:17.14 | ashanks | probably around 10 to 15 seconds |
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