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| 04:21.29 | ashanks | eww. freenode must have switched to the new ircd. :/ |
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| 07:44.15 | agilman | swoolley, could you get me a job ? |
| 07:44.45 | agilman | haha, or a volunteer work, computer related |
| 07:44.46 | swoolley | agilman: probably |
| 07:45.05 | swoolley | agilman: well, volunteer work is _easy_ to get you |
| 07:45.21 | swoolley | why volunteer? |
| 07:45.30 | agilman | for experience |
| 07:45.39 | agilman | I need to get my foot in the door |
| 07:45.43 | agilman | with computers |
| 07:46.17 | agilman | maybe eventually I'll get paid for it, which is rather better then pumping gas |
| 07:46.20 | swoolley | well, what can you code? |
| 07:46.29 | agilman | nothing really |
| 07:46.38 | swoolley | user support? |
| 07:46.41 | agilman | haha, some python |
| 07:46.56 | agilman | I could do technical support for old people :) |
| 07:47.52 | swoolley | well, if you want to work at the medical clinic, you can be an unpaid intern |
| 07:47.53 | agilman | I couldn't really diagnose broken hardware, but I could build a computer |
| 07:48.03 | swoolley | or you could be a paid medical records expediter |
| 07:48.17 | agilman | unpaid intern sounds appealing |
| 07:48.47 | agilman | but ... Im not into medical field |
| 07:49.00 | swoolley | you'd have to sign a hipaa contract and be aware that any information you have access to is secret and it would be a violation of federal law with jail time if you divulge it. |
| 07:49.17 | swoolley | that's required by federal law |
| 07:49.25 | agilman | oh, confidential info on patients and stuff ? |
| 07:49.29 | swoolley | yeah |
| 07:49.30 | agilman | thats not big deal |
| 07:50.02 | swoolley | are you employable? |
| 07:50.17 | swoolley | as in, us citizen, social security card, anything like that |
| 07:50.22 | agilman | I have a green card |
| 07:50.29 | agilman | and social security |
| 07:50.35 | swoolley | so you could work |
| 07:50.40 | agilman | yeah, Im a perminent resident |
| 07:51.12 | swoolley | well |
| 07:51.22 | swoolley | there's also volunteering at the green party headquarters |
| 07:51.32 | agilman | is it tech related? |
| 07:51.33 | swoolley | that's mostly database oriented |
| 07:51.42 | agilman | ohh |
| 07:51.53 | agilman | that would look bad on a resume ;) |
| 07:51.55 | swoolley | we work with millions of records |
| 07:52.07 | swoolley | data mining |
| 07:52.20 | swoolley | I put it on my resume |
| 07:52.31 | agilman | yeah, I read about it |
| 07:52.32 | swoolley | btw, I just got an article published |
| 07:52.41 | agilman | where? |
| 07:52.42 | swoolley | http://swoolley.org/blog.cgi |
| 07:54.08 | swoolley | you're a citizen of israel? |
| 07:58.00 | agilman | funny thing, I think if you dont live in Israel for 5 years, you lose citizenship |
| 07:58.16 | swoolley | so you are stateless? |
| 07:58.19 | agilman | plus I didnt serve in the military there, kinda escaped that by coming here |
| 07:58.47 | agilman | yeah, my friends were joking about that... they said that if I were to get deported, IRS would just dump me in international waters :) |
| 07:59.07 | swoolley | antarctica is stateless |
| 07:59.24 | agilman | because its not land |
| 07:59.30 | swoolley | it is land |
| 07:59.38 | swoolley | there is a continent there |
| 07:59.46 | swoolley | it's the arctic that has no continent |
| 08:00.03 | agilman | oh, yeah |
| 08:00.25 | swoolley | http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ay.html |
| 08:00.34 | agilman | when one installs packages on your sourcemage, where are they coming from? |
| 08:01.13 | agilman | are they .rpms? |
| 08:03.02 | swoolley | hell no |
| 08:03.15 | swoolley | we make our own |
| 08:03.22 | swoolley | they are built from source |
| 08:03.30 | swoolley | when you cast a spell, it downloads source |
| 08:03.32 | swoolley | unpacks |
| 08:03.33 | swoolley | compiles |
| 08:03.35 | swoolley | then installs |
| 08:03.53 | agilman | yeah, where does the source come from? do you have your own source base? |
| 08:04.09 | swoolley | original author's website |
| 08:04.16 | agilman | oh, good. |
| 08:04.17 | swoolley | and we have mirrors of them |
| 08:04.34 | swoolley | http://smgl.positivism.org/ |
| 08:04.35 | agilman | I've been having trouble with apt-get, because it takes time for them to get the source into .deb |
| 08:04.54 | agilman | like they still dont have packages for python2.4-gtk2 |
| 08:04.59 | agilman | and gaim 1.4 |
| 08:05.05 | agilman | and some other things I noticed |
| 08:05.37 | swoolley | well, we don't have that problem |
| 08:05.47 | agilman | oh, thats a huge list |
| 08:06.04 | agilman | what about hardware support? |
| 08:06.24 | swoolley | anything any other distro supports we can support |
| 08:06.36 | swoolley | generally unless there's a binary driver, you can find it in the kernels section |
| 08:06.47 | swoolley | if it's binary, it's in z-rejected z-kernels |
| 08:07.07 | swoolley | we support ndiswrapper so you can run windows networking drivers |
| 08:07.29 | swoolley | hardware support never really is an issue |
| 08:07.41 | agilman | oh, it was for me when I tried linux for the first time |
| 08:08.10 | swoolley | once you figure out how to buy decent hardware, it's not an issue anymore |
| 08:08.29 | agilman | nowa day I dont try to fix whats not broken, so I am gonna keep my knoppix for now |
| 08:08.43 | agilman | but If I try something different, I'll give source mage a shot |
| 08:08.58 | agilman | what do you mean, how to buy decent hardware? |
| 08:09.10 | swoolley | yeah, you go into a store and you can buy anything |
| 08:09.12 | swoolley | even shit |
| 08:09.15 | agilman | I bought an e-machines because I was low on budget |
| 08:09.16 | swoolley | and it might work on windows |
| 08:09.25 | swoolley | well, you bought shit |
| 08:09.39 | swoolley | the modem driver is probably very difficult to get working |
| 08:09.47 | agilman | haha, yeah, I didnt really think about linux when I was buying a PC |
| 08:10.14 | swoolley | I can usually go into a store, look at the card and tell you if it will not work |
| 08:10.21 | agilman | I have an external cable modem, so its ethernet on the motherboard... |
| 08:10.26 | swoolley | generally if you buy anything useful, it will work on linux |
| 08:10.41 | swoolley | mobo ethernet always works, generally |
| 08:10.51 | swoolley | ethernet drivers are better in linux than windows |
| 08:10.54 | agilman | what usually works better with linux, nvidia or ati ? |
| 08:10.59 | swoolley | nvidia |
| 08:11.14 | agilman | ah, cool |
| 08:11.19 | swoolley | both work without hardware acceleration |
| 08:11.23 | swoolley | at first |
| 08:11.30 | swoolley | until you install the driver the vendor provides |
| 08:11.35 | swoolley | then you get opengl 3d |
| 08:11.45 | swoolley | but really, video cards are useless |
| 08:11.55 | agilman | not a gamer? |
| 08:12.20 | swoolley | not a gamer |
| 08:12.28 | swoolley | gamers are like drugs |
| 08:12.42 | swoolley | useless shit you play to waste time you could spend getting rich |
| 08:12.58 | swoolley | if you play games, I won't help you find a job |
| 08:13.04 | swoolley | I used to have a gamer partner |
| 08:13.08 | swoolley | played quake |
| 08:13.10 | agilman | You cant get to nirvana with material possessions ;) |
| 08:13.14 | swoolley | was in a clan |
| 08:13.22 | swoolley | yeah, the idea of that being cool wore off |
| 08:13.38 | swoolley | when he didn't spend much time learning what I was teaching him |
| 08:13.48 | agilman | ohh |
| 08:13.59 | agilman | man, you need to chill ;) |
| 08:14.29 | swoolley | I'm quite serious |
| 08:14.34 | agilman | I haven't played much, my computer is a Athlon 3000+ with onboard video card |
| 08:14.41 | swoolley | that's good |
| 08:15.07 | agilman | I used to skip school to play Diablo 2 :) |
| 08:15.13 | agilman | junior year |
| 08:15.56 | agilman | have you ever considered going into game programming? |
| 08:15.56 | swoolley | and that didn't do you any good |
| 08:16.05 | swoolley | yeah |
| 08:16.15 | agilman | huge market, or so it seems to me |
| 08:16.23 | swoolley | not really |
| 08:17.00 | agilman | there is kind of a monopoly, people buy games from known studios. But its doing well |
| 08:17.33 | swoolley | so do you want a job? |
| 08:17.38 | swoolley | or do you want an internship? |
| 08:17.53 | agilman | I'd rather learn I suppose |
| 08:18.14 | agilman | yeah, I need experience |
| 08:18.22 | agilman | and something to put on a resume in the future |
| 08:18.57 | swoolley | http://www.broadwaymedicalclinic.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi?path=employment |
| 08:19.30 | swoolley | not sure if you can do appointment clerk |
| 08:19.46 | swoolley | the medical records positions open up frequently though |
| 08:20.24 | agilman | thanks man |
| 08:20.32 | agilman | I'll look into it closer tomorrow |
| 08:20.40 | agilman | as for now I gotta go sleep |
| 08:20.41 | swoolley | if you want an internship |
| 08:20.47 | agilman | yea.. |
| 08:20.47 | swoolley | you need to talk to me directly |
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| 08:20.55 | agilman | awesome |
| 08:20.58 | swoolley | and it wouldn't be paid, at first at least |
| 08:21.06 | agilman | yeah, thats totally cool |
| 08:21.12 | swoolley | and secret is I won't be there for too long |
| 08:21.24 | swoolley | so maybe you can work there after I leave |
| 08:21.26 | agilman | oh, you're getting that Phenix job ? |
| 08:21.40 | swoolley | well, there's a couple I'm interested in |
| 08:21.42 | swoolley | one in kentucky |
| 08:22.01 | swoolley | that's the main one |
| 08:22.01 | agilman | psh, moving to another place for a job. pathetic. |
| 08:22.09 | swoolley | they pay better |
| 08:22.23 | swoolley | professionals move for jobs |
| 08:22.28 | swoolley | service sector doesn't move |
| 08:22.47 | agilman | hmm, I suppose. |
| 08:23.08 | swoolley | I know a website you can work on |
| 08:23.15 | swoolley | oh, you don't do websites either |
| 08:23.15 | agilman | so you think I'd get to be your intern if I tried hard? |
| 08:23.27 | agilman | haha |
| 08:23.53 | swoolley | you could if you tried hard |
| 08:24.16 | swoolley | kind of like an apprentice |
| 08:24.28 | swoolley | you should take classes at a college at the same time |
| 08:24.40 | agilman | yeah, I already registered |
| 08:24.53 | swoolley | are you taking computer classes? |
| 08:25.09 | agilman | Java programming, and Linux administrator |
| 08:25.13 | swoolley | cool |
| 08:25.20 | swoolley | I can definitely intern you then |
| 08:25.29 | swoolley | tie it to the linux admin class |
| 08:26.03 | swoolley | I can show you all the tricks |
| 08:26.07 | agilman | good times, I'll contact you sometime about that |
| 08:26.12 | swoolley | truth is I probably can run circles around your professor |
| 08:26.25 | agilman | haha |
| 08:26.36 | agilman | most likely |
| 08:26.52 | agilman | my C++ professor was a really old guy, ex programmer, worked for a bank |
| 08:27.07 | swoolley | so you know some c++? |
| 08:27.34 | agilman | yeah, just the syntax pretty much, and we started getting into OOP |
| 08:28.11 | swoolley | I'll talk to the clinic administrator about it in the morning. |
| 08:28.21 | swoolley | what's your full name? |
| 08:28.24 | swoolley | in case he asks? |
| 08:28.26 | agilman | Alexander Gilman |
| 08:28.52 | swoolley | do you have a website? |
| 08:28.53 | agilman | tell him that I am really not interested in getting paid |
| 08:28.57 | agilman | no. |
| 08:29.06 | swoolley | references? |
| 08:29.13 | agilman | hmm, haha |
| 08:29.19 | swoolley | people we can call to ask about your quality? |
| 08:29.24 | agilman | oh boy |
| 08:29.27 | agilman | hahaha |
| 08:29.30 | swoolley | he'll ask |
| 08:29.33 | swoolley | that's why I ask |
| 08:29.40 | swoolley | we run background checks too |
| 08:29.45 | agilman | shit, not good. I worked at a hotel |
| 08:29.46 | swoolley | you'll have to consent to one of those |
| 08:29.50 | agilman | Im fine on the background check |
| 08:29.51 | swoolley | they ran one against me |
| 08:30.20 | agilman | I have a highschool diploma ;) |
| 08:30.25 | swoolley | good |
| 08:30.32 | swoolley | old high school teachers? |
| 08:30.34 | agilman | but I would use it as toilet paper if it was a little softer |
| 08:30.35 | swoolley | or professors? |
| 08:31.01 | agilman | I suppose I could put my C++ professor there |
| 08:31.15 | swoolley | do you have a high school or college transcript? |
| 08:31.21 | agilman | he is also the counsler in the Computer Science department at MHCC |
| 08:31.31 | agilman | oh boy |
| 08:31.59 | swoolley | just figuring out what documentation is safe to provide |
| 08:32.05 | swoolley | resume? |
| 08:32.13 | swoolley | do you have a resume? |
| 08:32.23 | agilman | stupid bureaucracy |
| 08:32.33 | agilman | I could make one |
| 08:32.40 | swoolley | it's all pretty standard |
| 08:32.46 | agilman | yeah |
| 08:32.47 | swoolley | you'll want all this anyways |
| 08:32.51 | swoolley | in case you want a real job |
| 08:32.54 | swoolley | it prepares you |
| 08:33.31 | agilman | I had like a 2.68 accumulative GPA in highschool |
| 08:33.42 | agilman | then I started well in college |
| 08:33.47 | agilman | got like a 3.3 on my first term |
| 08:34.08 | swoolley | your first term ought to be good enough |
| 08:34.15 | agilman | which is actually weird, I had like 2 sober weekends |
| 08:34.19 | swoolley | just mention your college gpa |
| 08:34.25 | agilman | oh boy |
| 08:34.27 | swoolley | http://smgl.positivism.org:8080/files/sethresume.txt |
| 08:34.34 | agilman | my second and 3rd ones weren't as good |
| 08:34.35 | swoolley | do something like that |
| 08:35.01 | swoolley | ok, don't need a transcript, then, just list the classes you took and passed |
| 08:35.56 | swoolley | don't worry, I'm overqualified for my position |
| 08:36.03 | swoolley | doesn't have to be as dense |
| 08:36.08 | agilman | yeah, your is pretty thick |
| 08:36.44 | agilman | yeah, I could put few classes already |
| 08:37.18 | swoolley | it's just an internship so far |
| 08:37.24 | swoolley | you can list the courses you are currently taking too |
| 08:37.46 | swoolley | do you know any business owners? |
| 08:37.50 | swoolley | you can use them as references too |
| 08:38.08 | swoolley | any place you did like an odd job like worked for a day or two or a week helping out while the rush was on |
| 08:38.09 | agilman | oh yeah, I actually set up a wireless network for a guy who has his own business |
| 08:38.16 | swoolley | yeah, list that |
| 08:38.25 | swoolley | we have a wireless net here |
| 08:38.40 | agilman | awesome |
| 08:38.41 | swoolley | I might be able to work out a stipend |
| 08:38.47 | swoolley | some compensation |
| 08:39.02 | agilman | dont even try |
| 08:39.21 | agilman | I'd be very happy to do some volunteering |
| 08:39.21 | swoolley | we might want to give you one after a couple weeks if we find you're helpful |
| 08:39.36 | agilman | ah, cool |
| 08:39.45 | agilman | OK man, Im gonna go sleep tho |
| 08:39.50 | swoolley | me too |
| 08:39.50 | agilman | thanks a bunch |
| 08:39.56 | agilman | peace |
| 08:39.56 | swoolley | yeah, no problem |
| 08:40.04 | swoolley | night |
| 09:24.40 | darthpwnt | omg |
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| 13:14.09 | freeland | good mornin |
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| 15:24.11 | freeland | w00t |
| 15:24.17 | freeland | hurricane is coming our way :) |
| 15:26.58 | aptiva | and that's something to w00t about? |
| 15:27.06 | aptiva | I recommend you go hide in the abortion clinic |
| 15:28.13 | freeland | LOL |
| 15:28.19 | aptiva | ^^ |
| 15:28.20 | freeland | i love hurricanes |
| 15:28.40 | aptiva | freak |
| 15:28.41 | aptiva | :P |
| 15:28.44 | aptiva | wind sucks |
| 15:29.17 | freeland | but... i'll be in bermuda when it hits :( |
| 15:29.33 | aptiva | as in triangle? |
| 15:30.08 | freeland | the island yes |
| 15:31.17 | aptiva | hmm |
| 15:31.21 | aptiva | alien hunting? |
| 15:31.29 | freeland | no... vacationing |
| 15:31.43 | freeland | http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/145135.shtml?5day |
| 15:31.46 | aptiva | why bermuda then? |
| 15:32.20 | aptiva | iceland baby! |
| 15:32.26 | freeland | lol |
| 15:32.27 | freeland | brb |
| 15:39.27 | freeland | back |
| 15:41.17 | aptiva | yay.. |
| 16:05.33 | freeland | wow |
| 16:05.44 | freeland | linux takes forever to compile stuff :P |
| 16:07.50 | aptiva | no |
| 16:07.52 | aptiva | computers do |
| 16:07.58 | aptiva | linux has nothing to do with it |
| 16:10.56 | freeland | well windows doesnt even do it :P |
| 16:12.21 | freeland | aptiva: have you ever used linux? |
| 16:15.15 | aptiva | yes |
| 16:17.15 | freeland | do you currently? |
| 16:17.20 | aptiva | no |
| 16:17.26 | aptiva | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.26 | freeland | why? :) |
| 16:17.41 | freeland | use LUNIX!! |
| 16:17.42 | aptiva | because osx is about 10 times better at anything |
| 16:17.59 | freeland | but LINUX is l33ter ;) |
| 16:18.04 | aptiva | no |
| 16:18.12 | freeland | YES |
| 16:18.18 | aptiva | you can boot into a terminal in osx if you want to be a leet kid |
| 16:18.24 | aptiva | but nobody does that |
| 16:18.25 | aptiva | why? |
| 16:18.26 | freeland | lol |
| 16:18.27 | aptiva | because it sucks |
| 16:18.33 | freeland | linux pwnz |
| 16:18.34 | aptiva | it also sucks on linux |
| 16:18.38 | aptiva | but there it's "cool" |
| 16:18.57 | freeland | terminal doesnt suck on linux |
| 16:19.10 | aptiva | it sucks on all os's |
| 16:19.19 | aptiva | why do you think window systems were invented? |
| 16:19.24 | aptiva | to make computers USABLE |
| 16:19.30 | freeland | jordan just called you a n00b :P |
| 16:19.45 | aptiva | jordan can call me whatever he wanted |
| 16:19.49 | freeland | you can use a computer just fine with terminal.. |
| 16:19.57 | freeland | just no graphics or anything |
| 16:20.01 | aptiva | I was a "l33t" linux hacker back before osx was released |
| 16:20.05 | freeland | everything text :P |
| 16:20.08 | aptiva | yes |
| 16:20.10 | aptiva | you CAN |
| 16:20.17 | aptiva | but why the FUCK would you want to!? |
| 16:20.43 | aptiva | I'm pretty darn happy with semitransparent terminal windows along with my graphical file browser |
| 16:20.56 | freeland | lol |
| 16:21.20 | freeland | linux also has great graphics |
| 16:21.27 | freeland | and can be configed to look just like OSX |
| 16:21.28 | aptiva | not even close to what osx has |
| 16:21.32 | aptiva | no it can't |
| 16:21.36 | freeland | yes it can |
| 16:21.39 | freeland | i have seen it |
| 16:21.50 | aptiva | you've seen a theme that uses the same images |
| 16:21.55 | freeland | yeah..... |
| 16:21.57 | freeland | same thing |
| 16:21.57 | aptiva | try doing the quartz effects |
| 16:22.05 | aptiva | that's what makes osx great |
| 16:22.13 | aptiva | try making the shadows as perfect |
| 16:22.17 | aptiva | transparency in X sucks |
| 16:23.45 | freeland | no it doesnt |
| 16:23.49 | freeland | looks just like osx |
| 16:23.55 | aptiva | it *looks* like it |
| 16:23.56 | freeland | windows can do the same |
| 16:24.03 | aptiva | it's implemented in a stupid way |
| 16:24.21 | freeland | so? only matters what it looks like and how it performs |
| 16:24.22 | aptiva | the application has to read the display buffer and manually blend each pixel according to the alpha |
| 16:24.24 | aptiva | which is SLOW |
| 16:24.43 | freeland | but LUNIX is fast :P |
| 16:24.47 | freeland | lol |
| 16:24.49 | aptiva | mac osx on the other hand has a perfect implementation |
| 16:25.08 | aptiva | I can have around 40 layers of transparent windows on my moms 300mhz G3 without any lag |
| 16:25.22 | aptiva | you know why I never lose OS debates? |
| 16:25.27 | aptiva | because osx is by far the best |
| 16:25.35 | freeland | i dont think so... 300mHz, no way |
| 16:25.41 | freeland | i know i love osx |
| 16:25.50 | aptiva | it also has a 16mb ati rage graphics card |
| 16:26.01 | aptiva | uses SOFTWARE rendering for graphics |
| 16:26.03 | aptiva | so.. |
| 16:26.05 | freeland | but linux is a FREE solution to overpriced mac |
| 16:26.10 | aptiva | the implementation must be pretty great |
| 16:26.18 | aptiva | macs aren't overpriced |
| 16:26.22 | freeland | yeah they are |
| 16:26.25 | aptiva | they're worth every penny |
| 16:26.30 | freeland | they cost lots more than PCs |
| 16:26.38 | aptiva | it's expensive for apple to provide support for them |
| 16:26.44 | aptiva | yes because pcs are cheaper to make |
| 16:27.16 | aptiva | and I don't think a $400 computer is expensive |
| 16:27.32 | aptiva | I once had a pc I paid over $3000 for |
| 16:27.34 | freeland | cough... compared to linux? |
| 16:27.43 | aptiva | LINUX ISN'T A FUCKING COMPUTER |
| 16:27.54 | freeland | $400 is a lot for the crappy mac mini :-/ |
| 16:27.58 | aptiva | crappy? |
| 16:27.59 | freeland | LINUX IS AN OS |
| 16:28.09 | aptiva | do you have any idea how powerful it is? |
| 16:28.15 | freeland | oooooo |
| 16:28.18 | freeland | "powerful" |
| 16:28.23 | aptiva | it's 1.4x g4 |
| 16:28.28 | aptiva | for nothing |
| 16:28.34 | freeland | my laptop is faster than that |
| 16:28.38 | aptiva | I make more than $400 in 2 weeks |
| 16:28.44 | aptiva | and I have a fucking crappy job |
| 16:28.50 | freeland | lol |
| 16:28.58 | freeland | get a new job?? |
| 16:29.02 | freeland | maybe? |
| 16:29.04 | aptiva | I'm 16 |
| 16:29.08 | aptiva | not much to choose from |
| 16:29.10 | freeland | yeah... |
| 16:29.11 | aptiva | anyway |
| 16:29.20 | aptiva | 1.4ghz on a g4 != 1.4ghz pentium |
| 16:29.30 | aptiva | and if you knew anything about macs you'd know that |
| 16:29.34 | freeland | i dont have pentium... |
| 16:29.41 | freeland | amd |
| 16:29.42 | aptiva | same about amd |
| 16:29.53 | aptiva | powerpc is RISC |
| 16:30.05 | aptiva | it's not even similar to CISC(x86) |
| 16:30.16 | aptiva | has fewer instructions |
| 16:30.19 | aptiva | and therefore code runs faster |
| 16:30.24 | aptiva | (on risc) |
| 16:30.36 | aptiva | a hz is just the refresh rate |
| 16:30.40 | freeland | well i shall become l33t in linux, then i wont have to buy a computer even again. :) (well,, until they get better) |
| 16:30.42 | aptiva | if each run takes MORE data |
| 16:30.50 | aptiva | then fewer refreshes are needed |
| 16:30.57 | freeland | APPLE IS SWITCHING TO X86!AHHHHHHH |
| 16:31.00 | aptiva | yes I know |
| 16:31.04 | aptiva | and a lot more mhz's |
| 16:31.08 | freeland | mac cant fend for themselves |
| 16:31.14 | aptiva | fend? |
| 16:31.15 | freeland | gotta turn to intel |
| 16:31.25 | freeland | mac sales are down |
| 16:31.26 | aptiva | that's cause IBM isn't sticking to the deal |
| 16:31.33 | freeland | only thing keeping them up is iPod |
| 16:31.41 | aptiva | they're not delivering laptop processors |
| 16:31.45 | aptiva | freeland: yes? |
| 16:31.55 | freeland | apple isnt selling many computers |
| 16:32.03 | aptiva | that's cause a lot of people won't buy a ppc when it's so short until they switch to x86 |
| 16:32.09 | freeland | only reason they are doing well is because of a stupid mp3 player :-/ |
| 16:32.19 | freeland | hm |
| 16:32.22 | aptiva | I'll promise you we'll see more than 40% increase in mac sales once the intel machines hit the market |
| 16:32.33 | aptiva | and increasing steadily after that |
| 16:32.52 | aptiva | I know I'll buy one |
| 16:32.55 | freeland | lol |
| 16:32.57 | aptiva | even tho my ibook is more than enough |
| 16:33.29 | aptiva | lol? |
| 16:33.40 | aptiva | you just don't know *shit* about what you're arguing |
| 16:33.42 | aptiva | so just stop it |
| 16:33.43 | freeland | kopete is STILL compiling |
| 16:33.50 | aptiva | kopete sucks |
| 16:33.53 | aptiva | use gaim |
| 16:33.56 | freeland | who said i'm arguing? |
| 16:33.59 | freeland | GAIM SUCKS ASS |
| 16:34.02 | aptiva | you were arguing |
| 16:34.05 | aptiva | anyone can see that |
| 16:34.12 | freeland | i close it and it signs out :-/ |
| 16:34.15 | freeland | it* |
| 16:34.18 | freeland | er |
| 16:34.19 | aptiva | well gee |
| 16:34.23 | aptiva | I wonder why |
| 16:34.26 | freeland | dude |
| 16:34.37 | freeland | x-ing it out shouldnt make it sign out |
| 16:34.42 | freeland | kopete is better |
| 16:34.50 | freeland | but, trillian pwns all |
| 16:34.53 | aptiva | pretty sure you can minimize gaim to tray |
| 16:34.57 | aptiva | trillian sucks too |
| 16:34.59 | freeland | but only for windows >:| |
| 16:35.09 | aptiva | adium is the best messenger around |
| 16:35.21 | freeland | brb drink |
| 16:35.33 | aptiva | Is there a Gaim tray icon, or docklet, or gnome applet, or panel icon, or something? |
| 16:35.36 | aptiva | Yeah, Gaim supports what is called a system tray icon that conforms to the standards at www.freedesktop.org. This tray icon is supported by Windows, KDE 3.1, Gnome 2.2, and Red Hat Gnome 2.0. All you have to do is load the "System Tray Icon" plugin by going to Preferences and then Plugins. |
| 16:35.41 | aptiva | If you're using Gnome you need to make sure that your panel has a Notification Area on it. To add one, right click on the panel, select Add To Panel->Utility->Notification Area. Gaim will insert the tray icon in any System Tray implementation that conforms to these standards, so feel free to write one for your window manager of choice. |
| 16:35.46 | aptiva | Due to a flaw in these specs, KDE users may experience trouble with the background color of the docklet. There is unfortunately nothing we can do about this. |
| 16:35.50 | aptiva | from gaim FAQ |
| 16:36.41 | aptiva | please tell me why you like an os made for the commodore |
| 16:36.43 | aptiva | :/ |
| 16:40.03 | kryptech | kwm aptiva |
| 16:43.32 | freeland | back |
| 16:43.38 | freeland | yay done compiling |
| 16:48.14 | kryptech | compiling what? |
| 16:48.58 | kryptech | freeland: compiling what? |
| 16:54.01 | freeland | kopete |
| 16:54.06 | freeland | (new version) |
| 16:54.10 | kryptech | ahh |
| 16:54.16 | kryptech | you didnt want to compile a new kernel? |
| 16:54.34 | freeland | nah. just did that 2 days ago |
| 16:55.38 | freeland | kryptech: do you use Quanta? |
| 16:55.53 | kryptech | the development tool? |
| 16:55.59 | freeland | ya |
| 16:56.09 | kryptech | no, its for stupid C++ people |
| 16:56.14 | freeland | lol :P |
| 16:56.16 | kryptech | who like kde |
| 16:56.42 | freeland | shir |
| 16:56.43 | freeland | shit* |
| 16:56.44 | freeland | brb |
| 16:56.49 | aptiva | Xcode! |
| 16:56.51 | aptiva | grr |
| 16:56.59 | kryptech | dude... I dont need to know that you are gonna go shit |
| 16:57.03 | aptiva | but then again |
| 16:57.09 | aptiva | all ide's suck |
| 16:57.13 | aptiva | that's a fact |
| 16:57.14 | kryptech | aptiva: I wish I had xcode, I hear it is quite good |
| 16:57.19 | aptiva | it's great |
| 16:57.20 | aptiva | but it sucks |
| 16:57.30 | kryptech | yeah, I wanted to write an ide that would reverse engineer code |
| 16:57.45 | kryptech | I found one that did exactly what I wanted it was awsome |
| 16:57.53 | kryptech | and it was $500 |
| 16:58.14 | aptiva | yay |
| 16:58.20 | aptiva | :) |
| 16:58.27 | aptiva | ide for bin? |
| 16:58.33 | kryptech | no |
| 16:58.42 | freeland | kryptech: i'm not going to the bathroom |
| 16:58.44 | kryptech | it would destruct C |
| 16:58.44 | aptiva | reverse engineer to C? |
| 16:58.49 | freeland | something screwed up |
| 16:58.53 | kryptech | what? |
| 16:58.59 | aptiva | wtf are you talking about |
| 16:59.07 | aptiva | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:59.46 | freeland | kryptech: how do i run a shell script? |
| 16:59.49 | aptiva | reverse engineering in my mind is taking binary and well... reverse engineer it |
| 16:59.53 | aptiva | freeland: dude! |
| 16:59.56 | aptiva | ./script |
| 17:00.07 | kryptech | aptiva: yeah, it helped you read through code, like what functions were called by what and how the structure of the code was organized |
| 17:00.13 | freeland | cant find where it is.. |
| 17:00.16 | aptiva | .... |
| 17:00.17 | aptiva | .. |
| 17:00.18 | aptiva | .. |
| 17:00.20 | aptiva | freeland: |
| 17:00.26 | aptiva | that's something .. |
| 17:00.28 | aptiva | so basic |
| 17:00.32 | kryptech | freeland: bash script.sh |
| 17:00.33 | freeland | no kidding |
| 17:00.35 | aptiva | I just can't get over how easy it is |
| 17:00.47 | aptiva | it's actually just: ./script |
| 17:00.48 | freeland | kryptech: k |
| 17:00.50 | kryptech | freeland: what script do you want to run |
| 17:00.55 | aptiva | ./ is better |
| 17:00.56 | freeland | smbfs |
| 17:00.58 | freeland | (samba) |
| 17:01.03 | aptiva | that determines the handler |
| 17:01.11 | kryptech | aptiva: only if the start of the script has #!/bin/sh |
| 17:01.14 | aptiva | (assuming it has a #!foobar) |
| 17:01.17 | kryptech | yes |
| 17:01.19 | aptiva | kryptech: no shit :) |
| 17:01.38 | kryptech | if you dont want to shit, then dont insult the 1337 G0D |
| 17:01.41 | kryptech | ;-) |
| 17:01.48 | aptiva | ok.. |
| 17:01.51 | aptiva | stop insulting me |
| 17:02.06 | aptiva | pwnd baby, pwnd |
| 17:02.11 | aptiva | ;D |
| 17:02.12 | freeland | kryptech: cant find where it is |
| 17:02.19 | aptiva | freeland: |
| 17:02.24 | aptiva | paste the first line of the script |
| 17:02.32 | kryptech | freeland: then how do you know how to exectue it |
| 17:02.38 | kryptech | what does this script do? |
| 17:02.39 | aptiva | oh |
| 17:02.43 | aptiva | can't find the script? |
| 17:02.49 | freeland | yeah |
| 17:02.50 | aptiva | write: locate smbfs |
| 17:03.07 | aptiva | or. did you get this file recently? |
| 17:03.14 | aptiva | if so you might wanna run locate.updatedb |
| 17:03.17 | freeland | yesterday |
| 17:03.20 | aptiva | hmm |
| 17:03.30 | aptiva | left the computer on tonight? |
| 17:03.34 | freeland | no |
| 17:03.36 | aptiva | ok |
| 17:03.42 | aptiva | then run it |
| 17:03.53 | aptiva | sudo /usr/libexec/locate.updatedb |
| 17:03.59 | aptiva | then: |
| 17:04.01 | aptiva | locate smbfs |
| 17:04.18 | aptiva | locate.updatedb takes awhile to run |
| 17:04.27 | aptiva | it creates a search db of your entire drive |
| 17:04.36 | aptiva | so you can find shit lightning fast |
| 17:05.00 | freeland | shit |
| 17:05.12 | aptiva | what? |
| 17:05.20 | freeland | asked for password |
| 17:05.20 | kryptech | aptiva: what else... shit |
| 17:05.25 | freeland | and i messed up twice |
| 17:05.30 | kryptech | freeland: of course it did |
| 17:05.33 | aptiva | so? :) |
| 17:05.34 | kryptech | you sudo'd |
| 17:05.39 | aptiva | that just means you'd have to run it again |
| 17:05.44 | aptiva | it's not like a cellphone |
| 17:05.46 | aptiva | no PUK :P |
| 17:06.02 | aptiva | (if you had fucked it 3ice that is) |
| 17:06.22 | freeland | do i need to be root? |
| 17:06.30 | aptiva | yes |
| 17:06.34 | freeland | ah |
| 17:06.42 | aptiva | if you want *all* files |
| 17:06.45 | kryptech | su |
| 17:06.50 | kryptech | rm -r.... |
| 17:06.58 | kryptech | ;-) |
| 17:07.00 | kryptech | no, dont do that |
| 17:07.12 | kryptech | http://www.abhnation.com/ipbmb/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=1946 |
| 17:07.26 | freeland | aptiva: said "sudo" command not found |
| 17:07.31 | aptiva | hehehe |
| 17:07.37 | aptiva | then write |
| 17:07.38 | aptiva | su |
| 17:07.39 | aptiva | then |
| 17:07.46 | aptiva | the command before but no sudo |
| 17:08.25 | freeland | ugh |
| 17:08.54 | aptiva | you still worship the terminal? |
| 17:09.16 | freeland | yes |
| 17:09.17 | freeland | hang on |
| 17:09.21 | aptiva | hehehe |
| 17:09.28 | aptiva | n00bs :P |
| 17:12.57 | aptiva | kryptech: you fluent in hex? |
| 17:29.30 | freeland | guess not |
| 17:31.32 | freeland | brb |
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| 17:55.36 | Dnaleerf | kryptech, anime is FUCKING GAY |
| 17:55.46 | kryptech | \ |
| 17:55.47 | jordanf | No shit :) |
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| 17:56.02 | Dnaleerf | stop drooling over pictures drawn by japanese people |
| 17:56.14 | kryptech | you know, you dont have to suck up to ashanks when hes away |
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| 17:57.19 | kryptech | I cant believe I dont hold ops in here yet... |
| 17:57.52 | Dnaleerf | I cant believe I dont hold ops in here yet... |
| 17:58.05 | jordanf | lolol |
| 17:58.10 | swoolley-work | I cant believe I dont hold ops in here yet... |
| 17:58.24 | kryptech | swoolley-work: you dont hold ops in here? |
| 17:58.33 | swoolley-work | I might |
| 17:58.40 | jordanf | level 8 |
| 17:58.44 | kryptech | you do dont you |
| 17:59.03 | jordanf | level 30 for ¨swoolley¨ |
| 17:59.07 | kryptech | swoolley-work: what you hooking up right now? |
| 17:59.32 | swoolley-work | 10:58 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- 7 30 swoolley 4d 55m 23s |
| 17:59.36 | swoolley-work | level 30 |
| 17:59.38 | swoolley-work | I do have ops |
| 17:59.46 | swoolley-work | level 8 for swoolley-work though |
| 18:00.04 | kryptech | youre working for a medical clinic right now right? |
| 18:00.08 | swoolley-work | yeah |
| 18:00.13 | kryptech | what are you doing for them? |
| 18:00.15 | swoolley-work | RMAing a drive right now |
| 18:00.41 | kryptech | whats the big picture? you setting up a web site or something? |
| 18:01.05 | Dnaleerf | swoolley-work: do you get payed a lot for fixed fuxx0red hard/software? :P |
| 18:01.11 | Dnaleerf | fixing* |
| 18:01.26 | swoolley-work | Dnaleerf: I get paid, at least ;) |
| 18:01.37 | Dnaleerf | lol |
| 18:01.43 | swoolley-work | kryptech: I setup their website already |
| 18:02.04 | swoolley-work | kryptech: mostly administration, coding, complex reporting, things like that. |
| 18:02.12 | swoolley-work | everything computer related |
| 18:02.23 | swoolley-work | I'm trying to find somebody to replace me here though |
| 18:02.40 | swoolley-work | the more mundane tasks can be done by somebody else |
| 18:02.49 | swoolley-work | agilman might be able to do it |
| 18:02.57 | swoolley-work | so I'm going to take him on as an apprentice |
| 18:03.14 | kryptech | quit being modest, he makes as much Donald Trumph, becasue he is an infamous cracker that crashed the stock market before they even used computers, but he had to change his nick. |
| 18:03.25 | kryptech | ;-) |
| 18:05.07 | Dnaleerf | brb |
| 18:06.38 | kryptech | swoolley-work: agilman live close to you? |
| 18:06.47 | swoolley-work | yeah, in a suburb of portland |
| 18:06.51 | swoolley-work | troutdale |
| 18:06.57 | swoolley-work | he used to live closer in |
| 18:08.04 | kryptech | ahh |
| 18:08.40 | kryptech | you ever think about getting a PHD swoolley-work? |
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| 18:27.59 | kbrooks | tfp! |
| 18:28.56 | kryptech | kbrooks |
| 18:33.57 | swoolley-work | kryptech: thought about it -- decided I had too much toilet paper already |
| 18:34.29 | kryptech | swoolley-work: ahh... |
| 18:38.09 | trochej | hmm |
| 18:39.01 | kbrooks | kryptech! |
| 18:39.11 | kryptech | kbrooks! |
| 18:39.18 | kbrooks | wassup |
| 18:39.32 | kryptech | stuff |
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| 18:48.00 | Freeland | hi |
| 18:48.04 | kryptech | hi |
| 18:48.04 | jordanf | uhoh |
| 18:48.15 | kryptech | unfreethinkerland as swoolley would call you |
| 18:48.33 | Freeland | Freeland = Linux, Dnaleerf = Windows just to let y'all know |
| 18:48.45 | jordanf | We don't care |
| 18:49.22 | kryptech | who's younger, and what releation do you have to each other |
| 18:49.34 | kbrooks | lol |
| 18:49.42 | jordanf | haha |
| 18:49.55 | kbrooks | kryptech, easy |
| 18:50.00 | Freeland | we live in rooms 5 feet away |
| 18:50.01 | kbrooks | same person |
| 18:50.11 | Freeland | kbrooks: no ;) |
| 18:50.15 | kbrooks | jordanf is stupid |
| 18:50.16 | kbrooks | ok? |
| 18:50.19 | Freeland | LOL |
| 18:50.24 | jordanf | Freeland, talking about freeland vs. dnaleerf |
| 18:50.38 | kryptech | no, I'm not |
| 18:50.39 | Freeland | o |
| 18:50.47 | kryptech | I'm talking jordan and ryan |
| 18:50.50 | kbrooks | ohhhhhhhhhhh |
| 18:50.53 | jordanf | Ok, then you've been through this before |
| 18:50.59 | Freeland | lol |
| 18:51.03 | kbrooks | Freeland, srry |
| 18:51.05 | kryptech | which one is older |
| 18:51.14 | kbrooks | ryan. |
| 18:51.20 | kbrooks | no, jordan |
| 18:51.27 | kbrooks | no, ryan |
| 18:51.28 | kbrooks | hmmm |
| 18:51.30 | kbrooks | who? |
| 18:51.31 | kryptech | yeah... that helps |
| 18:51.35 | jordanf | jordanf |
| 18:51.43 | jordanf | :/ |
| 18:51.48 | kbrooks | jordanf, are you sure |
| 18:51.53 | jordanf | haha |
| 18:52.04 | kryptech | hoq much older? |
| 18:52.31 | jordanf | 1.3 yrs |
| 18:52.52 | Freeland | no |
| 18:52.57 | Freeland | 15 months |
| 18:53.06 | Freeland | 1.25 years ;) |
| 18:53.07 | jordanf | Freeland, "<DexterF> Eclipse75: well, at least it wasn't mplayer horsefscker.mpg :D" |
| 18:53.23 | Freeland | ok.. |
| 18:53.26 | kryptech | so, freeland is like 14 and jordan is like 15? |
| 18:53.32 | Freeland | yes... |
| 18:53.44 | kryptech | jordan hacks? |
| 18:54.08 | kryptech | jordanf: you code? |
| 18:54.38 | jordanf | A bit once in a while -- not much anymore |
| 18:55.53 | kryptech | what languages? |
| 18:56.00 | swoolley-work | jordanf: are you not a freethinker either? |
| 18:56.17 | swoolley-work | just wondering, as ryan isn't |
| 18:57.20 | Freeland | swoolley, you aren't either |
| 18:57.39 | jordanf | kryptech, std and enterprise Java, PHP, C# (eww), and HTML (which doesn't really count) |
| 18:57.40 | kryptech | swoolley-work: you are so hasseling to them... I though atheism was the lack of religion, not anti religion :) |
| 18:57.52 | kbrooks | jordanf, look at my site |
| 18:57.59 | jordanf | Atheism is a religion |
| 18:58.02 | Freeland | shit linux froze brb |
| 18:58.10 | kryptech | cool... I always wanted to meet someone who coded in std |
| 18:58.15 | kbrooks | msg43.homeip.net/kbrooks/ |
| 18:58.27 | kryptech | herpes? |
| 18:58.46 | kryptech | do you code in standardized std? or dirty? |
| 18:58.55 | kryptech | ;-) |
| 18:59.20 | kbrooks | anyone like my site |
| 18:59.22 | jordanf | ROFL |
| 18:59.46 | jordanf | Kryptech, uhh no |
| 18:59.52 | jordanf | kbrooks, gonna get wp working? :P |
| 19:00.10 | kbrooks | jordanf, yes. the hoster is on irc :P |
| 19:01.36 | kbrooks | jordanf, and i didnt pay money. |
| 19:01.43 | kbrooks | it was freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! |
| 19:01.47 | kbrooks | lol |
| 19:01.50 | kbrooks | i know him |
| 19:01.59 | swoolley-work | "He highlighted the Venezuelan government's decree on July 13 that within 90 days all government institutions in the country must present a migration plan to move to open source software. "This is a presidential mandate ... so we think it's going to happen," he said." |
| 19:02.03 | *** join/#tfp Freeland (n=freeland@ip68-100-73-140.dc.dc.cox.net) |
| 19:02.17 | swoolley-work | the entire country of venezuela is dropping microsoft |
| 19:02.23 | Freeland | yay |
| 19:02.24 | swoolley-work | and all closed-source systems |
| 19:02.27 | kbrooks | swoolley-work, i am happy |
| 19:02.46 | swoolley-work | the president decreed all government institutions needed to present a migration plan within 90 days |
| 19:02.52 | kbrooks | Ryan: http://msg43.homeip.net/kbrooks/ |
| 19:03.07 | kbrooks | Freeland, can i call ya ryan :P |
| 19:03.25 | Freeland | that's my name ;) |
| 19:03.29 | jordanf | kbrooks, you program in ruby? |
| 19:03.41 | kbrooks | jordanf, yes |
| 19:03.44 | jordanf | cool |
| 19:05.02 | Freeland | lol wordpress |
| 19:05.10 | Freeland | and you didnt config it yet :P |
| 19:05.34 | kbrooks | Freeland, nope. i need a mysql db. |
| 19:05.36 | kbrooks | or........ |
| 19:05.39 | kbrooks | AHA! |
| 19:05.57 | Freeland | oh.. ok.. THEN GET ONE :P |
| 19:06.08 | kryptech | swoolley-work: to bad venezuela is a third world country huh? |
| 19:07.52 | swoolley-work | no, it's developed |
| 19:08.03 | swoolley-work | venezuela is one of the longest running democracies in south america |
| 19:08.14 | kryptech | .... |
| 19:08.23 | kryptech | moving on.. |
| 19:08.30 | kryptech | what prompted this swoolley-work? |
| 19:09.03 | jordanf | Windows Vista maybe? lol |
| 19:09.17 | swoolley-work | the elected president was elected on a campaign of redistributing wealth and using its rich oil reserves to fund a renaissance and less reliance on US trade. |
| 19:09.31 | *** join/#tfp Freeland_ (n=ryanf@ip68-100-73-140.dc.dc.cox.net) |
| 19:09.41 | swoolley-work | along with less reliance on the US, is the elimination of microsoft |
| 19:09.42 | Freeland_ | i'm using irssi :P |
| 19:09.51 | Freeland | and this is xchat |
| 19:09.58 | jordanf | Too bad that's the reason |
| 19:10.10 | jordanf | Freeland_: great |
| 19:10.11 | kryptech | Freeland: what crashed |
| 19:10.18 | jordanf | He says linux crashed |
| 19:10.23 | jordanf | Even though X was still working |
| 19:10.30 | Freeland | it froze |
| 19:12.24 | jordanf | ssshh |
| 19:12.46 | Freeland | jordanf, change the topic |
| 19:12.59 | Freeland | get rid of the stupid anime shit |
| 19:13.14 | Freeland | and lock the topic so kryptech cant change it |
| 19:13.21 | *** topic/#tfp by jordanf -> TFP || http://tfprog.com/ || Channel Social Chart: [ http://irc.maxkelley.com/piespy/ ] || ashanks is on vacation in 24h,mite be away. |
| 19:15.45 | kryptech | froze? |
| 19:15.45 | kryptech | like, KDE froze? |
| 19:15.52 | Freeland | like, yes |
| 19:16.51 | kbrooks | http://msg43.homeip.net/kbrooks/blog/ |
| 19:16.54 | kbrooks | YES |
| 19:17.48 | kryptech | Freeland: you have no heart for good anime |
| 19:17.58 | kryptech | of free thinking |
| 19:20.39 | kryptech | *or |
| 19:25.12 | jordanf | No such thing as good anime |
| 19:25.42 | Freeland | cp |
| 19:26.08 | Freeland | lol |
| 19:26.17 | jordanf | Freeland wonder what cp does... |
| 19:26.49 | kbrooks | lol |
| 19:26.52 | Freeland | jordanf wonder what punch-in-the-face does... |
| 19:27.00 | jordanf | cute |
| 19:27.04 | kbrooks | I need to write some code. |
| 19:27.19 | Freeland | s |
| 19:27.19 | Freeland | t |
| 19:27.20 | Freeland | f |
| 19:27.20 | Freeland | u |
| 19:27.41 | kbrooks | be nice ryan |
| 19:29.21 | jordanf | :) |
| 19:29.45 | jordanf | brb |
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| 20:15.40 | Freeland | hi |
| 20:16.24 | Freeland | brb |
| 20:24.21 | *** join/#tfp Freeland (n=ryanf@ip68-100-73-140.dc.dc.cox.net) |
| 20:24.22 | Freeland | back |
| 20:24.35 | Freeland | irssi is l33t! :) |
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| 20:32.47 | *** join/#tfp Freeland (n=freeland@ip68-100-73-140.dc.dc.cox.net) |
| 20:32.56 | Freeland | hi |
| 20:33.25 | kbrooks | hi |
| 20:33.41 | kbrooks | Freeland, msg43.homeip.net/kbrooks/ |
| 20:33.44 | Freeland | i've got almost everything working with linux :) |
| 20:33.47 | Freeland | yeah i saw |
| 20:35.49 | kbrooks | Freeland, open the blog :P |
| 20:35.59 | Freeland | yeah i saw lol :P |
| 20:38.57 | Freeland | i have internet, email, im, irc, music, sound, external server access <-- all working :D |
| 20:48.13 | trochej | Freeland: it doesn't work |
| 20:48.20 | trochej | Freeland: it fata morgana |
| 20:48.29 | trochej | or something |
| 20:48.32 | trochej | delirium |
| 20:48.41 | trochej | [sleep] |
| 20:49.48 | Freeland | huh? |
| 20:52.19 | kbrooks | Freeland, delirious |
| 20:54.45 | Freeland | trochej Freeland: it doesn't work |
| 20:54.55 | Freeland | what was he talking about |
| 20:58.01 | kryptech | nice Freeland |
| 20:58.12 | kryptech | got bluefish |
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| 21:06.19 | agilman | howdy |
| 21:06.24 | agilman | swoolley, any news? |
| 21:06.36 | aptiva | Freeland is trying to install linux |
| 21:06.39 | aptiva | isn't going so well |
| 21:06.44 | agilman | haha |
| 21:06.47 | agilman | which distro? |
| 21:06.50 | aptiva | no idea |
| 21:07.09 | agilman | poor kid |
| 21:07.15 | aptiva | nah |
| 21:07.20 | aptiva | he's not poor |
| 21:07.24 | aptiva | it's the whole brain issue |
| 21:07.26 | aptiva | :P |
| 21:07.40 | agilman | I remember when I tried to install linux for the first time |
| 21:07.52 | aptiva | the first distro I installed was gentoo |
| 21:07.57 | aptiva | success at first try! |
| 21:08.01 | agilman | oh, not too bad |
| 21:08.07 | aptiva | even did it from stage 1 |
| 21:08.23 | aptiva | took 24 hours on my 900mhz celeron |
| 21:08.23 | agilman | I tried Red Hat 8, I think it worked, but I put linux on the first partition |
| 21:08.26 | aptiva | but.. |
| 21:08.30 | aptiva | it was worth it |
| 21:08.43 | agilman | so my windows wasnt bootable |
| 21:08.48 | aptiva | heh |
| 21:08.53 | aptiva | that's a good thing |
| 21:09.00 | agilman | back then it wasn't |
| 21:09.11 | aptiva | that doesn't matter :P |
| 21:09.19 | agilman | but I was retarded, I didn't know any commands |
| 21:09.35 | agilman | so I tried doing everything with the GUI |
| 21:09.38 | aptiva | :) |
| 21:09.38 | agilman | and didn't get far |
| 21:09.47 | aptiva | gentoo is teh roxor for noobs |
| 21:09.50 | aptiva | after I installed.. |
| 21:09.53 | aptiva | I knew linux |
| 21:10.12 | aptiva | you have to use every single commonly used command while installing the bastard |
| 21:10.29 | agilman | I remember when I first installed, I didn't know that there is a root user |
| 21:10.35 | aptiva | ok.. |
| 21:10.40 | aptiva | I knew *that* :P |
| 21:10.42 | agilman | so my functionality was very limited |
| 21:11.00 | agilman | like it would tell me that I dont have permission to do stuff |
| 21:11.04 | agilman | and I'd get mad |
| 21:11.31 | aptiva | haha |
| 21:11.34 | aptiva | how old were you? |
| 21:11.49 | agilman | 15 or 16, haha |
| 21:12.10 | aptiva | :o |
| 21:12.12 | aptiva | I was 12 |
| 21:12.23 | aptiva | and I had never had anyone teach me a thing about computers |
| 21:12.31 | agilman | oh, nice |
| 21:12.36 | aptiva | I learned dos when I was 6 |
| 21:12.52 | aptiva | well as much as I could learn without being fluent in english |
| 21:12.54 | agilman | I got my first computer when I was 8 I think |
| 21:12.59 | aptiva | :) |
| 21:13.07 | aptiva | my dad had computers at work |
| 21:13.10 | agilman | and it already had win 95 |
| 21:13.12 | aptiva | mostly macs |
| 21:13.27 | agilman | I took a |
| 21:13.32 | aptiva | I've hated win95 since 1996 |
| 21:13.41 | swoolley-work | agilman: hey, had some hardware issues today and haven't talked to the admin yet |
| 21:13.43 | aptiva | my friend got this craaazy computer for his birthday |
| 21:13.46 | agilman | I took a "computer operating systems" class in college |
| 21:13.47 | aptiva | (66mhz!!) |
| 21:13.53 | aptiva | and well |
| 21:13.57 | swoolley-work | agilman: do you have a resume or anything? |
| 21:14.08 | aptiva | I liked the macs at my dads job a lot better |
| 21:14.12 | swoolley-work | once you have a resume, I'll ask for a coverletter (why you want to intern) |
| 21:14.12 | agilman | no, but I could write an objective list like yours |
| 21:14.26 | agilman | yeah, a cover letter... I was gonna write one |
| 21:14.33 | aptiva | for what? |
| 21:15.06 | agilman | aptiva, I want to volunteer at his workplace |
| 21:15.26 | aptiva | volunteer!? |
| 21:15.44 | agilman | yeah, to get experience |
| 21:15.50 | aptiva | how old are you? |
| 21:15.52 | agilman | 19 |
| 21:15.55 | aptiva | ok |
| 21:16.09 | aptiva | what langs do you know? |
| 21:16.16 | aptiva | as in 01 |
| 21:16.29 | agilman | some C++ and some Python |
| 21:16.34 | aptiva | ok |
| 21:16.37 | aptiva | what's the job? |
| 21:16.46 | agilman | network admin |
| 21:16.51 | aptiva | ah |
| 21:16.57 | aptiva | I could do that:P |
| 21:17.01 | aptiva | (fucking age) |
| 21:17.09 | aptiva | people just don't give teens a chance |
| 21:17.11 | agilman | and its half tech support |
| 21:17.15 | aptiva | ouch |
| 21:17.21 | agilman | as far as I understand |
| 21:17.23 | aptiva | that's just demeaning |
| 21:17.42 | agilman | Im not entierly sure yet, but its something to do with computers. |
| 21:17.45 | aptiva | ok |
| 21:17.49 | aptiva | better than my job:) |
| 21:17.50 | kryptech | wouldnt it be great if people wrote flawless programs |
| 21:17.55 | aptiva | yes |
| 21:18.08 | agilman | I'd dust computers, I dont care what the job is... as long as its an actually computer related job |
| 21:18.19 | aptiva | it would rock if fat free donuts which tasted like normal ones would rain instead of water |
| 21:18.25 | aptiva | but that just ain't gonna happen |
| 21:18.32 | aptiva | same applies to flawless progs |
| 21:18.40 | kryptech | it could happen |
| 21:18.43 | aptiva | no |
| 21:18.49 | kryptech | of course it could |
| 21:18.51 | kryptech | it wont |
| 21:18.52 | aptiva | no |
| 21:18.55 | aptiva | it can't |
| 21:19.19 | aptiva | not on today's computers |
| 21:19.21 | kryptech | if youre basing this on some deep theory... |
| 21:19.22 | aptiva | they're too flawed |
| 21:19.53 | kryptech | I said they should write flawless programs |
| 21:20.05 | aptiva | computers as we know them are based on tech from wwii |
| 21:20.07 | kryptech | I didnt talk about the computers running |
| 21:20.15 | aptiva | you can't write a flawless prog on a flawed computer... |
| 21:20.17 | kryptech | hmm... I guess you are right about that |
| 21:20.37 | kryptech | well, then we obviously cant do anything completely flawless |
| 21:21.05 | aptiva | your mom has never said "nobody's perfect" ? |
| 21:21.20 | kryptech | of course she does |
| 21:21.22 | swoolley-work | agilman: if you can have that done by tomorrow, the better, because I can present it at the same time |
| 21:21.29 | aptiva | kryptech: well.. she's right |
| 21:21.53 | kryptech | great... I'm getting phisolophical advice from a 16 year old |
| 21:22.15 | kryptech | that lives in a land with a flawed name :) |
| 21:22.19 | aptiva | anything wrong with that when you're 15? |
| 21:22.22 | aptiva | dude |
| 21:22.31 | aptiva | you live in a country named "united" states |
| 21:22.31 | agilman | swoolley-work, k, I'll get right to it |
| 21:22.32 | aptiva | ehm? |
| 21:22.42 | kryptech | so, I never said mine wasnt named wrong |
| 21:22.44 | aptiva | you don't even have the same law |
| 21:22.46 | aptiva | no |
| 21:23.05 | aptiva | so if my country is less flawed *and* I'm older you shouldn't complain ;) |
| 21:23.19 | swoolley-work | for a list of things I've done today ... 1) diagnosed and RMAd a bad harddrive, 2) coordinated networking and electrical outlets for a remodel, 3) wrote a report analyzing diabetic patients, 4) answered various technical questions about error messages, 5) consoled windows users who had their machines crash |
| 21:23.20 | kryptech | really? |
| 21:24.25 | aptiva | list of things I've done today ... 1) I cleaned out a disgusting locker room 2) I mopped some floors 3) I stood out in the bushes when I was supposed to be gardening |
| 21:26.42 | kryptech | .... I dont like the idea of edje |
| 21:26.53 | kryptech | it dosent even allow windows |
| 21:26.54 | aptiva | edje? |
| 21:26.58 | kryptech | *menus |
| 21:27.12 | aptiva | ?? |
| 21:27.17 | kryptech | aptiva: I'm trying to join the Enlightenment window manager project |
| 21:27.31 | aptiva | k |
| 21:27.31 | kryptech | and they have a lot of crap abstracted into a lot of different libraries |
| 21:27.37 | aptiva | why enlightment? |
| 21:27.53 | aptiva | xfce4 > * |
| 21:27.53 | kryptech | got an invitation from a guy a while back |
| 21:27.56 | aptiva | ah |
| 21:28.04 | kryptech | and it looks really nice |
| 21:28.08 | aptiva | do you *use* it? |
| 21:28.13 | kryptech | yes |
| 21:28.27 | aptiva | ok |
| 21:28.34 | kryptech | http://www.kryptech.net/images/snapshot2.png |
| 21:28.35 | aptiva | oh.. |
| 21:28.40 | aptiva | it's improved a lot since I saw it |
| 21:28.45 | aptiva | http://enlightenment.org/Main/Home/images/_images/rephorm-desktop.png |
| 21:28.46 | aptiva | cool! |
| 21:28.49 | aptiva | Icelandic band |
| 21:30.28 | aptiva | http://www.enlightenment.org/Applications/Engage/index.html |
| 21:30.29 | aptiva | ... |
| 21:30.30 | kryptech | they have abstracted it to the point that I heard they dont even use XLib in their wm code |
| 21:30.34 | aptiva | that's not a ripoff |
| 21:33.41 | aptiva | hahaha |
| 21:33.45 | aptiva | it's 8 years old |
| 21:33.48 | aptiva | at 0.16! |
| 21:33.58 | kryptech | yeah |
| 21:34.02 | aptiva | open source :) |
| 21:34.03 | aptiva | shiit |
| 21:34.14 | kryptech | the leader was one of the pioneers of GNOME |
| 21:34.29 | kryptech | then they got into a fight and GNOME stopped using e |
| 21:34.36 | aptiva | they started quartz in like 1998 and published in 2001 :) |
| 21:34.53 | aptiva | weak point of most open source projects: slow development |
| 21:36.46 | kbrooks | agreed |
| 21:43.05 | aptiva | kryptech: you should be happy gnome stopped using e |
| 21:43.08 | aptiva | hahah wooh |
| 21:43.12 | aptiva | drug joke numbah #1 |
| 21:43.33 | aptiva | http://enlightenment.org/Enlightenment/DR16/images/_images/shot_09-12-03_193147.jpg |
| 21:43.38 | aptiva | WHERE CAN I FIND THAT BG?! |
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| 22:19.51 | Kynlem | Hello |
| 22:24.16 | Freeland | hi |
| 22:24.26 | Freeland | linux is 99% running |
| 22:24.38 | Freeland | just need to config some shortcuts and finction keys |
| 22:24.43 | Freeland | bbs, dinner |
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| 23:02.03 | Freeland | hey |
| 23:02.23 | agilman | Did you install linux? |
| 23:03.05 | Freeland | it's been installed :P |
| 23:03.12 | Freeland | it's 99.9% running |
| 23:03.21 | Freeland | just gotta config some function keys |
| 23:03.33 | agilman | which distro? |
| 23:04.10 | Freeland | slackware |
| 23:05.12 | agilman | yeah, I know. also Dnaleerf |
| 23:11.27 | kbrooks | heh |
| 23:11.46 | kbrooks | Dnaleerf = Freeland spelled backwards |
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| 23:21.31 | Freeland | hi |
| 23:22.15 | Kynlem | wb |
| 23:23.01 | Freeland | ty |
| 23:25.47 | Freeland | ugh |
| 23:25.54 | Freeland | cant find the site i was at |
| 23:29.40 | Freeland | yay |
| 23:29.44 | Freeland | found it |
| 23:38.36 | Freeland | brb gotta be root |
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| 23:40.18 | Freeland | nvm |
| 23:40.22 | Freeland | agilman: you there? |
| 23:41.12 | Freeland | any other people good in linux here? |
| 23:41.43 | agilman | Im here, tho Im just an average linux user |
| 23:42.09 | agilman | Freeland, do 'su' or 'sudo', its not a good idea to log in as root |
| 23:44.29 | Freeland | one problem |
| 23:44.36 | Freeland | i need to be root in the gui |
| 23:44.54 | Freeland | because i have to save a text file in /usr/ |
| 23:44.56 | agilman | its not allowed to run GUI programs as another user |
| 23:45.26 | Freeland | oooo i got idea |
| 23:45.42 | agilman | you can read that file as a user |
| 23:45.52 | agilman | and then log in as root, and move that file int /usr/ |
| 23:46.24 | agilman | do 'kwrite whateverfile.txt' and edit it, then save it in your home dir |
| 23:46.35 | agilman | then do 'su' |
| 23:47.00 | agilman | then do 'mv /home/freeland/whateverfile /usr/ |
| 23:47.10 | agilman | '* |
| 23:47.16 | agilman | hope that helped |
| 23:47.56 | agilman | or you can change the permission on that file using chmod |
| 23:48.05 | Freeland | yep :P thought of that right b4 you said it lol |
| 23:48.09 | agilman | and then change that file, tho some people would argue that its a bad idea |
| 23:48.24 | Freeland | agilman then do 'mv /home/freeland/whateverfile /usr/ << did that thanks |
| 23:48.44 | Freeland | http://linux.omnipotent.net/article.php?article_id=11801 << doing that |
| 23:48.58 | agilman | awesome, Im really glad when people grasp linux, its kinda challanging to do |
| 23:49.02 | agilman | but ver rewarding |
| 23:49.12 | agilman | very* |
| 23:49.13 | Freeland | yeah |
| 23:49.21 | Freeland | it's fun when it works lol |
| 23:51.33 | agilman | freeland, there are also some console based editors, you can do 'su', then 'vim /usr/whateverfile' |
| 23:52.17 | agilman | but I hate vim, its not user friendly |
| 23:54.29 | agilman | Freeland, you are trying to create your own keyboard shortcuts? |
| 23:54.58 | Freeland | ya |
| 23:55.08 | agilman | I use xbindkeys |
| 23:55.15 | Freeland | brb, gotta restart |
| 23:55.21 | agilman | http://hocwp.free.fr/xbindkeys/xbindkeys.html |
| 23:55.25 | agilman | for what? |
| 23:55.34 | Freeland | for it to work ;) brb |
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| 23:59.14 | Freeland | back |
| 23:59.24 | Kynlem | agilman: you can run GUI apps as a different user |
