| 00:00.03 | asiammyself | but you have to BUY there HARDWARE!?!?! |
| 00:00.03 | Mojo_Jojo | aptiva, thats fucking awesome. |
| 00:00.13 | Mojo_Jojo | you guys speak English over there? |
| 00:00.24 | RyanF | no, they speak chinese, brb |
| 00:00.24 | aptiva | me not understand so good |
| 00:00.28 | aptiva | you what say? |
| 00:00.32 | JordanF | :) |
| 00:00.42 | aptiva | well duh I'm talking to you am I not :) |
| 00:00.57 | aptiva | I've spoken fluent english since I was around 10 |
| 00:00.58 | Mojo_Jojo | yeah, but Im in the US and I can speak Russian and Hebrew |
| 00:01.05 | aptiva | ah |
| 00:01.14 | Mojo_Jojo | doesn't mean that those are the official languages here |
| 00:01.21 | aptiva | ahh |
| 00:01.25 | aptiva | you mean it like that |
| 00:01.31 | aptiva | we speak Icelandic |
| 00:01.33 | aptiva | example: |
| 00:01.36 | aptiva | hvað segirðu maður minn? |
| 00:01.51 | Mojo_Jojo | thats awesome. |
| 00:01.57 | aptiva | trans: what's up my man? |
| 00:01.58 | Kynlem | Mojo_Jojo: ty deystvitelno razgovarivayesh po Russki ? |
| 00:02.12 | Kynlem | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.15 | Kynlem | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.15 | Kynlem | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.16 | aptiva | !? |
| 00:02.18 | Kynlem | LOL ^^ |
| 00:02.32 | Kynlem | RyanF: look at src='' |
| 00:02.38 | Kynlem | Sorry, guys |
| 00:02.45 | Mojo_Jojo | kynlem, yes |
| 00:02.56 | Mojo_Jojo | but its hard to type russian on Enlgish keyboard |
| 00:03.02 | Kynlem | Mojo_Joj: hehe |
| 00:03.28 | Kynlem | Mojo_Jojo: annoys and takes much time. |
| 00:03.33 | aptiva | why? |
| 00:03.36 | aptiva | same letters right |
| 00:03.41 | Kynlem | (sometimes) |
| 00:03.44 | aptiva | (as long as you don't use the cyrillian ones) |
| 00:03.46 | Kynlem | No |
| 00:04.01 | Kynlem | Cyryllic are used orinally |
| 00:04.05 | aptiva | I know |
| 00:04.08 | Mojo_Jojo | aptiva, if you came to the US, girls would be all over you like green on grass... for your Icelandic skillz |
| 00:04.16 | aptiva | eh? :P |
| 00:04.30 | Mojo_Jojo | are Icelandic girls all pale? |
| 00:04.44 | Mojo_Jojo | thats kinda hot |
| 00:04.53 | Mojo_Jojo | I like brunets with white skin |
| 00:04.58 | aptiva | Mojo_Jojo: no they're not :) |
| 00:05.03 | aptiva | at least not all of them |
| 00:05.09 | aptiva | I don't like pale girls :) |
| 00:05.18 | aptiva | but not some tan freaks either |
| 00:05.18 | Mojo_Jojo | man, it must be boring as hell tho |
| 00:05.24 | Kynlem | aptiva: some letters don't have latin analogs and up to 4 letters should be used to mean originally one letter |
| 00:05.32 | aptiva | k |
| 00:05.50 | aptiva | áæðöþúýíó |
| 00:06.01 | Kynlem | aptiva: what especially ? |
| 00:06.05 | aptiva | those are the icelandic letters (the ones not in english) |
| 00:06.14 | aptiva | :) |
| 00:06.27 | Kynlem | What languages you talk are? |
| 00:06.30 | aptiva | I speak, Icelandic, english, german, danish, norwegian and swedish |
| 00:06.45 | Mojo_Jojo | aptiva, Im impressed. |
| 00:06.49 | aptiva | my german is the worst tho |
| 00:06.52 | aptiva | thx |
| 00:07.05 | aptiva | I know some italian too |
| 00:07.08 | aptiva | but that barely counts |
| 00:07.15 | aptiva | italian is a crappy language |
| 00:07.42 | Mojo_Jojo | Norwegian is pretty, I had a friend exchange student from there. |
| 00:07.47 | aptiva | :) |
| 00:07.48 | Kynlem | aptiva: no, it isn't |
| 00:07.50 | aptiva | soooo jolly |
| 00:08.04 | aptiva | Kynlem: ever tried to actually learn it? |
| 00:08.06 | Mojo_Jojo | yeah, you cant yell at anyone in Norwegian. |
| 00:08.10 | Kynlem | Mojo_Jojo: GOF is really cool |
| 00:08.29 | Kynlem | aptiva: yeah, but not much, some common gramatical structures and phrases |
| 00:08.46 | Mojo_Jojo | kynlem, whats GOF ? |
| 00:09.18 | Kynlem | Iced Earth - Ghost Of Freedom, the song I've d/l'ed from your PC, thanks, BTW :-) |
| 00:09.18 | aptiva | one thing about icelandic girls tho |
| 00:09.26 | aptiva | they love to talk to you in their webcam :) |
| 00:09.36 | *** join/#tfp jordanf (~jordanf@jordanf.user) |
| 00:09.36 | *** mode/#tfp [+v jordanf] by ChanServ |
| 00:09.47 | Mojo_Jojo | kynlem, your welcome. |
| 00:09.55 | Kynlem | wb JordanF |
| 00:10.00 | Mojo_Jojo | aptiva, do you have any pix of Icelandic girls? |
| 00:10.04 | Kynlem | Mojo_Jojo: :-) |
| 00:10.27 | aptiva | yeah |
| 00:10.30 | Kynlem | Mojo_Jojo: guitar is really awesome |
| 00:10.39 | RyanF | back |
| 00:10.41 | aptiva | I spoke to one extreeeeeeemly nice on cam yesterday |
| 00:10.44 | aptiva | (and some today) |
| 00:10.51 | RyanF | lol |
| 00:10.58 | aptiva | wanna see? |
| 00:11.07 | Mojo_Jojo | kynlem, you should also try Demons and Wizards. |
| 00:11.12 | Mojo_Jojo | aptiva, yes please |
| 00:11.14 | Kynlem | aptiva: how old are you? |
| 00:11.19 | aptiva | 49 |
| 00:11.21 | aptiva | lol |
| 00:11.22 | Mojo_Jojo | aptiva, upload it there : ftp://67.169.222.84/ |
| 00:11.23 | aptiva | 16 |
| 00:11.23 | RyanF | mojo: what kind of guitar you got? :P |
| 00:11.23 | aptiva | :P |
| 00:11.28 | Kynlem | Mojo_Jojo: OK, I will |
| 00:11.31 | aptiva | w8 |
| 00:11.35 | aptiva | exporting as qt file |
| 00:11.40 | aptiva | mercury rocks |
| 00:11.41 | Mojo_Jojo | ryan, ibanez |
| 00:11.45 | aptiva | save all cam convos as streams |
| 00:11.46 | RyanF | ooooo :) |
| 00:12.22 | Mojo_Jojo | the neck is a bit thick, so people say its slow |
| 00:12.27 | Mojo_Jojo | but I like it |
| 00:12.28 | Kynlem | Mojo_Jojo: how many members does that band have ? |
| 00:13.03 | Mojo_Jojo | kynlem, Demons and Wizards is a project rather then a band. Its a combination of some people from Iced Earth and another band called Blind Guardian. |
| 00:13.05 | aptiva | just so you know it you're not seeing any skin :) |
| 00:13.15 | aptiva | encoding.. |
| 00:13.26 | Mojo_Jojo | aptiva, thats cool, I just want to see what your people look like. |
| 00:13.29 | Kynlem | Mojo_Jojo: I know the latter. |
| 00:13.49 | aptiva | 400 frames to go |
| 00:14.12 | Mojo_Jojo | hmm, who is downloading my pictures? |
| 00:14.43 | Kynlem | Mojo_Jojo: if you're worried about traffic, then I'm d/l'ing the mp3 |
| 00:14.50 | Kynlem | s/mp3/mp3s |
| 00:15.02 | aptiva | man this is slow :P |
| 00:15.12 | RyanF | aptiva: dialup? :P |
| 00:15.14 | aptiva | and I still have the encoding left :P |
| 00:15.15 | Mojo_Jojo | kynlem, no its cool. |
| 00:15.18 | aptiva | no I'm not uploading |
| 00:15.21 | aptiva | I'm decoding a stream |
| 00:15.24 | RyanF | ah |
| 00:15.30 | aptiva | then I still have encoding it left :) |
| 00:15.37 | Mojo_Jojo | I just feel weird when people go through my random pictures |
| 00:15.38 | RyanF | just take a screen shot damnit :P |
| 00:15.45 | aptiva | not as fun :D |
| 00:15.46 | Kynlem | aptiva: shouldn't that be better to just show some hptos ? |
| 00:15.51 | Mojo_Jojo | this is myself >>> ftp://67.169.222.84/pictures/Trendy%20Queer/queer%201.jpg |
| 00:15.52 | Kynlem | hptos = photos |
| 00:16.01 | aptiva | just let me do my thing :P |
| 00:16.10 | aptiva | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:16.12 | RyanF | lol |
| 00:16.45 | aptiva | Mojo_Jojo: I see |
| 00:16.47 | RyanF | i am asuming you are 21+ Mojo? considering you are getting drunk with Seth :P |
| 00:16.52 | aptiva | 21 ?! |
| 00:16.56 | aptiva | max 19 |
| 00:17.09 | aptiva | I'm guessing 18 |
| 00:17.12 | RyanF | lol |
| 00:17.19 | RyanF | busted! |
| 00:17.23 | RyanF | underage drinking |
| 00:17.25 | Kynlem | RyanF: swoolley drinks ? |
| 00:17.30 | aptiva | big deal :P |
| 00:17.33 | RyanF | i think.... :P |
| 00:17.43 | RyanF | brb |
| 00:17.49 | Kynlem | He said that he didn't. |
| 00:17.56 | Mojo_Jojo | swoolley doesn't drink, and I just turned 19 in june |
| 00:18.19 | Mojo_Jojo | and I've never met swoolley in person, even tho he lives like 15 minutes away from me. |
| 00:18.36 | aptiva | you all have qt7 ? |
| 00:18.40 | jordanf | hehe RyanF |
| 00:18.52 | aptiva | it's 3.4mb now |
| 00:18.55 | aptiva | is that ok? |
| 00:18.57 | Mojo_Jojo | yes |
| 00:18.58 | RyanF | back |
| 00:19.01 | aptiva | ok |
| 00:19.10 | Mojo_Jojo | I hope you can upload at a decent speed. |
| 00:19.29 | aptiva | yeh |
| 00:19.33 | aptiva | 30 sec left |
| 00:19.33 | RyanF | asiammyself lives like 15 miles from jordan and me :P |
| 00:19.53 | Mojo_Jojo | ryan, where are you guys from? |
| 00:20.03 | RyanF | north virginia |
| 00:20.07 | RyanF | just southwest of dc |
| 00:20.18 | aptiva | www.simnet.is/aptiva/andrea.mov |
| 00:20.23 | aptiva | there you go |
| 00:20.51 | RyanF | VERY blonde hair of course :P |
| 00:21.00 | aptiva | she's so hot :) |
| 00:21.05 | Mojo_Jojo | yeah, she is hot. |
| 00:21.29 | jordanf | dang |
| 00:21.36 | RyanF | lol |
| 00:21.53 | Mojo_Jojo | aptiva, looks like you made her laugh few times. Awesome ;) |
| 00:21.59 | aptiva | I would have met her next week |
| 00:22.02 | aptiva | FUCK WORK |
| 00:22.43 | RyanF | ouch |
| 00:22.49 | Kynlem | aptiva: do you go to some summer work ? |
| 00:22.52 | RyanF | LOL @ Mojo |
| 00:22.57 | aptiva | Kynlem: yes |
| 00:23.06 | aptiva | brb |
| 00:23.11 | Kynlem | aptiva: what? |
| 00:23.19 | Mojo_Jojo | activa, if you can make a girl laugh... you can pretty much make her do anything. |
| 00:23.32 | RyanF | rofl |
| 00:25.30 | RyanF | you sound like a pimp Mojo :P |
| 00:25.41 | jordanf | :\ |
| 00:25.50 | RyanF | haha |
| 00:25.50 | jordanf | A playa |
| 00:26.19 | Mojo_Jojo | huh, no, hardly. I dont get out of the house much actually. But when I do, all hell brakes lose. |
| 00:26.28 | Mojo_Jojo | :) |
| 00:26.31 | RyanF | i have 169 icons on my desktop :S |
| 00:26.34 | RyanF | max is 170 :P |
| 00:26.50 | *** join/#tfp root____2 (~root@ip68-100-73-140.dc.dc.cox.net) |
| 00:26.57 | RyanF | root!!!!!!!! |
| 00:27.02 | RyanF | hack him!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:27.13 | RyanF | (it's jordan) |
| 00:27.24 | root____2 | I'm IRCing as root -- aren't you guys gonna kill me? |
| 00:27.33 | root____2 | :) Join ##linux and see what happens |
| 00:27.37 | RyanF | yes |
| 00:27.44 | root____2 | join ##linux |
| 00:27.50 | root____2 | last time they made a big deal out of it |
| 00:28.07 | RyanF | do it jordan :P |
| 00:28.08 | root____2 | lol <purl> RootWarn: 1 : a Bad Thing when using IRC |
| 00:28.11 | asiammyself | ryanf what is all the iconns for?:P |
| 00:28.18 | root____2 | RyanF, you in ##linux ? |
| 00:28.24 | RyanF | i just save everthing on my desktop :P |
| 00:28.26 | RyanF | yes |
| 00:28.29 | RyanF | root: yes |
| 00:28.30 | root____2 | let's see... |
| 00:28.33 | *** part/#tfp root____2 (~root@ip68-100-73-140.dc.dc.cox.net) |
| 00:28.47 | jordanf | RyanF: sshhh |
| 00:29.03 | RyanF | oops |
| 00:29.27 | jordanf | The reaction typically happens on EFnet, but we'll see :) |
| 00:29.32 | aptiva | back |
| 00:29.36 | aptiva | now.. back on track |
| 00:29.40 | aptiva | she's so hot |
| 00:29.45 | RyanF | lol |
| 00:29.50 | RyanF | how old is she |
| 00:29.53 | aptiva | 16 |
| 00:29.58 | jordanf | RyanF, play along |
| 00:30.03 | RyanF | jordanf how so |
| 00:30.12 | Mojo_Jojo | are girls easy in island? |
| 00:30.14 | RyanF | aptiva: :P |
| 00:30.15 | jordanf | Look now |
| 00:30.27 | RyanF | what |
| 00:30.28 | aptiva | Mojo_Jojo: well... |
| 00:30.46 | aptiva | me and my buddy got 3 girls to flash us on cam yesterday |
| 00:31.02 | jordanf | RyanF, say don't IRC as root |
| 00:31.02 | Mojo_Jojo | did you save the stream? |
| 00:31.13 | aptiva | that was on his machine :( |
| 00:31.16 | jordanf | mention my nick |
| 00:31.23 | aptiva | I just have some idiots dancing to thong song :P |
| 00:31.52 | RyanF | k |
| 00:31.53 | RyanF | LOL |
| 00:31.55 | Mojo_Jojo | whats the population of Iceland? |
| 00:32.00 | aptiva | 300k |
| 00:32.04 | aptiva | jordanf: ? :) |
| 00:32.23 | jordanf | -.- |
| 00:32.40 | Mojo_Jojo | aptiva, whats the minimum wage there? |
| 00:32.48 | aptiva | yah sure, I'm gonna mention some other guy while I hit on her.. |
| 00:32.53 | aptiva | Mojo_Jojo: lemme check |
| 00:33.00 | jordanf | RyanF, damn |
| 00:33.08 | RyanF | aptiva: he was talking to me :P |
| 00:33.38 | aptiva | Mojo_Jojo: 2138 |
| 00:33.40 | aptiva | $ |
| 00:33.47 | RyanF | whoa |
| 00:33.49 | RyanF | a year?! |
| 00:33.53 | aptiva | month |
| 00:33.56 | RyanF | ohh :P |
| 00:33.58 | RyanF | that's high |
| 00:34.07 | aptiva | :) |
| 00:34.07 | Mojo_Jojo | yeah, thats extremly high. |
| 00:34.11 | asiammyself | ill bbl |
| 00:34.17 | RyanF | that's like 2.5 times more than US |
| 00:34.18 | aptiva | we have around 30-40 homeless people here :) |
| 00:34.19 | aptiva | so.. :P |
| 00:34.36 | aptiva | and they're all homeless because of alcoholism |
| 00:34.36 | Mojo_Jojo | yeah, and you dont have Mexicans. |
| 00:34.41 | RyanF | jordanf: shit |
| 00:34.41 | aptiva | hehe |
| 00:34.47 | RyanF | lol |
| 00:34.52 | jordanf | lol RyanF not quite the security freaks are they? |
| 00:34.56 | Mojo_Jojo | are there any black people in Iceland? |
| 00:35.09 | aptiva | around 10 |
| 00:35.10 | aptiva | :P |
| 00:35.11 | RyanF | nope |
| 00:35.14 | aptiva | no I'm not sure how many |
| 00:35.16 | RyanF | :P |
| 00:35.19 | aptiva | I know 2 black people |
| 00:35.25 | Mojo_Jojo | haha |
| 00:35.29 | aptiva | in my town of 15k |
| 00:35.30 | Mojo_Jojo | thats pretty fnny. |
| 00:35.34 | aptiva | and i just know of them |
| 00:35.47 | aptiva | my coworker is buddy's with one of em |
| 00:35.57 | aptiva | we keep making racist jokes :P |
| 00:36.07 | RyanF | lol |
| 00:36.10 | aptiva | (but no, racism is almost nonexistant here) |
| 00:36.10 | Mojo_Jojo | hahaha |
| 00:36.14 | jordanf | Talk about minorities lol |
| 00:36.20 | aptiva | so he's not offended by it |
| 00:36.23 | Mojo_Jojo | do you guys have good beer? |
| 00:36.25 | aptiva | it's all in good fun |
| 00:36.29 | aptiva | Mojo_Jojo: well.. |
| 00:36.30 | aptiva | yes |
| 00:36.33 | Mojo_Jojo | awesome. |
| 00:36.37 | aptiva | Egils premium is great |
| 00:36.53 | aptiva | but costs $4 per bottle |
| 00:37.16 | aptiva | Tuborg? :) |
| 00:37.17 | Mojo_Jojo | At the party yesterday, I was talking to some guy who lived in Germany for a while. He said that after living there, all American beer taste like shit |
| 00:37.19 | aptiva | no |
| 00:37.22 | aptiva | that's danish :P |
| 00:37.26 | RyanF | you know we are all UNDERAGE |
| 00:37.29 | Kynlem | Here average beer is like 60 cents |
| 00:37.30 | aptiva | so? |
| 00:37.34 | aptiva | yes |
| 00:37.34 | Kynlem | Less I think |
| 00:37.39 | aptiva | it was like that in denmark |
| 00:37.45 | aptiva | but I was on a judo tour |
| 00:37.49 | aptiva | so I wasn't allowed to buy any |
| 00:38.01 | aptiva | in denmark you can start drinking at age 15 |
| 00:38.03 | Kynlem | aptiva: do you train judo ? |
| 00:38.08 | aptiva | yes |
| 00:38.15 | aptiva | I'm on the national team |
| 00:38.19 | Kynlem | how long, what belt ? |
| 00:38.25 | aptiva | 4 years |
| 00:38.30 | aptiva | green belt |
| 00:38.56 | Kynlem | I had yellow, could eaily get orange, but went away due to an injury |
| 00:38.58 | Mojo_Jojo | aptiva, is there anything to do in Iceland? like if I went there as a tourist ? |
| 00:39.02 | Kynlem | * -eaily |
| 00:39.13 | aptiva | Mojo_Jojo: probably great for tourists |
| 00:39.27 | aptiva | and there's always something to do in Reykjavik |
| 00:39.36 | aptiva | but for the locals it's kinda dull |
| 00:39.41 | Mojo_Jojo | man, I am fascinated by Iceland now :) |
| 00:39.56 | RyanF | let's summerize: |
| 00:40.01 | RyanF | Iceland: |
| 00:40.05 | RyanF | good beer |
| 00:40.07 | RyanF | hot girls |
| 00:40.12 | RyanF | good tourism |
| 00:40.15 | RyanF | :P |
| 00:40.22 | aptiva | you make it sound so great :P |
| 00:40.23 | jordanf | Sounds good |
| 00:40.32 | RyanF | LOL |
| 00:40.38 | jordanf | Let's get the airline passes |
| 00:41.03 | aptiva | just so you know, we also have total dogs here :P |
| 00:41.20 | jordanf | RyanF, stay in ##linux |
| 00:41.23 | aptiva | so the girls ain't all great |
| 00:41.24 | RyanF | kk |
| 00:41.37 | aptiva | but.. there's like 2 not hot girls in my class so.. |
| 00:41.38 | aptiva | :) |
| 00:41.47 | jordanf | RyanF, see my quite message? |
| 00:41.48 | Kynlem | Well, guys, you'd better save your money and go to Ukraine :-) Everything except some things is cheap here. |
| 00:41.53 | RyanF | there are like 250k girls in the whole COUNTRY |
| 00:41.57 | RyanF | err |
| 00:41.59 | RyanF | 150k |
| 00:42.00 | RyanF | :P |
| 00:42.05 | aptiva | + the fact that they seem to love foreigners |
| 00:42.10 | RyanF | jordanf: yes |
| 00:42.12 | jordanf | :) |
| 00:42.14 | RyanF | haha |
| 00:42.21 | jordanf | What are they saying, RyanF? |
| 00:42.28 | RyanF | nothing yet |
| 00:42.34 | jordanf | k let me know when |
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| 00:42.40 | RyanF | <felesh> hi |
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| 00:42.41 | RyanF | <felesh> how can i know if i am using xfree or xorg? |
| 00:42.42 | aptiva | RyanF: if there were 250k girls here... |
| 00:42.57 | aptiva | I wouldn't be going to the us or denmark for university .P |
| 00:43.18 | RyanF | LOL |
| 00:44.04 | Kynlem | LOL |
| 00:44.28 | aptiva | ;) |
| 00:45.09 | RyanF | http://irc.maxkelley.com/piespy/ |
| 00:45.09 | Kynlem | Now I know what is your main interest in life :-) |
| 00:45.18 | aptiva | well duh |
| 00:45.37 | RyanF | duh :P |
| 00:46.19 | aptiva | girls and objective-c :P |
| 00:46.29 | aptiva | the latter is easier to get tho |
| 00:46.37 | aptiva | have had a lot of children with it |
| 00:46.42 | RyanF | LOL |
| 00:48.33 | Kynlem | aptiva: are you really good with it ? |
| 00:48.46 | Kynlem | I mean, Obj. C |
| 00:49.01 | RyanF | hahaha :P |
| 00:49.14 | Kynlem | RyanF: why? |
| 00:49.22 | aptiva | Kynlem: I'm prett damn good with my thang |
| 00:49.22 | aptiva | :P |
| 00:49.26 | RyanF | <Kynlem> aptiva: are you really good with it ? |
| 00:49.33 | aptiva | I'm also good with objc :) |
| 00:49.36 | RyanF | ^^ ( referring to girls = hahaha) |
| 00:49.49 | aptiva | I thought he was referring to the beast |
| 00:49.50 | Kynlem | RyanF: Ah |
| 00:50.32 | Mojo_Jojo | man, when I was 16, all I cared about was how long I can pop a wheely on my bicycle |
| 00:50.44 | aptiva | :) |
| 00:50.51 | aptiva | how old are you now? |
| 00:50.57 | Mojo_Jojo | 19 |
| 00:51.00 | aptiva | k |
| 00:51.13 | aptiva | I was on the wheelie stage when I was around 13 :P |
| 00:51.13 | Mojo_Jojo | actually, Im exaggerating, I got into programming when I was 16. |
| 00:51.21 | RyanF | lol |
| 00:51.26 | aptiva | I got into programming when I was 11 :) |
| 00:51.28 | Mojo_Jojo | and I had a car when I was 16 |
| 00:51.37 | Kynlem | I started programming when was 9 or 10, I think |
| 00:51.52 | RyanF | i started html at 12 |
| 00:51.58 | Mojo_Jojo | yes, but you guys didn't have cars when you were 16 :) |
| 00:52.04 | aptiva | nope |
| 00:52.12 | aptiva | I can't even afford my drivers licence |
| 00:52.20 | Mojo_Jojo | here its like 50$ |
| 00:52.26 | aptiva | so I'll probably get it just before christmas 2006 |
| 00:52.26 | Mojo_Jojo | 55$ actually I think. |
| 00:52.47 | aptiva | here it's like $1847 |
| 00:53.06 | aptiva | (55$ really?) |
| 00:53.15 | aptiva | including classes? |
| 00:53.25 | Mojo_Jojo | Yes, in USA you dont have to take classes |
| 00:53.31 | aptiva | ?! |
| 00:53.32 | aptiva | omg! |
| 00:53.41 | RyanF | come over here aptiva :P |
| 00:53.44 | aptiva | lucky son of a ****** |
| 00:53.48 | Mojo_Jojo | all you need is 100 hours of experience with somone who is over 21 |
| 00:53.53 | Kynlem | aptiva: around $100 here, I think, with classes |
| 00:53.56 | aptiva | ohhhhh |
| 00:53.59 | Mojo_Jojo | and then the person signs that you drove 100 hours |
| 00:54.01 | RyanF | you could chill over at my house for awhile :P |
| 00:54.07 | nick125 | lol |
| 00:54.07 | aptiva | I have like 200 hours of exp. :P |
| 00:54.09 | Mojo_Jojo | but it can be your dad or your friend... or whoever... |
| 00:54.23 | aptiva | I can drive alright |
| 00:54.24 | nick125 | it could probably even be your dog |
| 00:54.25 | nick125 | :P |
| 00:54.28 | RyanF | LOL |
| 00:54.28 | aptiva | hehe |
| 00:54.30 | aptiva | 21? |
| 00:54.34 | aptiva | pretty old dog |
| 00:54.34 | aptiva | :P |
| 00:54.36 | nick125 | lol |
| 00:54.41 | nick125 | not in dog years |
| 00:54.42 | RyanF | 21 in dog years |
| 00:54.45 | nick125 | yup |
| 00:54.47 | RyanF | .. LO |
| 00:54.50 | RyanF | err |
| 00:54.52 | RyanF | .. :P* |
| 00:54.58 | aptiva | yah my 21 yr old blind dog drove with me... now gimme my licence! |
| 00:55.23 | Mojo_Jojo | no, you have to pass 2 tests. |
| 00:55.35 | RyanF | written |
| 00:55.37 | Mojo_Jojo | a written test about all the rules, and a driving test |
| 00:55.37 | RyanF | and driven |
| 00:55.40 | RyanF | :P |
| 00:56.23 | Mojo_Jojo | and the written test is multiple choice answers... |
| 00:56.47 | aptiva | ... |
| 00:56.49 | aptiva | ok.. |
| 00:56.56 | aptiva | you have it so easy over there |
| 00:57.04 | aptiva | no wonder you're all idiots :P |
| 00:57.11 | aptiva | (not meaning *you*) |
| 00:57.21 | Mojo_Jojo | nuh, its cool. |
| 00:57.23 | aptiva | meaning the average american |
| 00:58.04 | Mojo_Jojo | yeah, I blame the public school system. |
| 00:58.19 | jordanf | Absolutely |
| 01:01.02 | Kynlem | What are your (avg) school marks, dudes? |
| 01:01.24 | RyanF | 96% here |
| 01:01.30 | Mojo_Jojo | wow |
| 01:01.41 | RyanF | (that's me) |
| 01:01.54 | Mojo_Jojo | my GPA was like 2.58, which is 70 - 80 % |
| 01:02.14 | aptiva | what's your iq(everyone)? |
| 01:02.14 | Mojo_Jojo | I wasn't a very motivated student. |
| 01:02.26 | Mojo_Jojo | 128 |
| 01:02.48 | aptiva | k |
| 01:03.03 | aptiva | 118 I think |
| 01:03.16 | Mojo_Jojo | my GPA for the first term of college was 3.3, which is about 90% |
| 01:03.28 | Kynlem | I passed some IQ test and had 13_ (_ - something) |
| 01:03.35 | aptiva | k |
| 01:03.46 | aptiva | I've only taken some online ones tho |
| 01:03.55 | aptiva | there are no official iq tests in iceland |
| 01:04.01 | Kynlem | School avg mark around 80 probably |
| 01:04.14 | aptiva | oof :) |
| 01:04.15 | Mojo_Jojo | I took one from a magazine. But I didn't have a time limit |
| 01:04.37 | Mojo_Jojo | so I guess its not truly an IQ test |
| 01:04.38 | Kynlem | aptiva: I either passed not official ones, just took a book from school psychologist |
| 01:04.45 | aptiva | k |
| 01:04.50 | jordanf | I gotten 135-150 on online IQ tests, but I'm sure they're a bunch of BS |
| 01:05.27 | Kynlem | BS ? |
| 01:05.42 | jordanf | BS = bullshit :) |
| 01:05.48 | jordanf | refined |
| 01:05.51 | jordanf | lol |
| 01:05.58 | Kynlem | Same opinion about IQ tests at all. |
| 01:06.17 | aptiva | do y'all have pictures? |
| 01:06.32 | jordanf | Kynlem, yeah, humans can't measure their own intelligence |
| 01:06.32 | Kynlem | They don't show how smart person is. |
| 01:06.42 | Kynlem | jordanf: true. |
| 01:07.00 | aptiva | noone? |
| 01:07.17 | Mojo_Jojo | http://photobucket.com/albums/v685/Sasha_G/Geek/ |
| 01:07.18 | jordanf | Kynlem, plus they can't measure musical-auditory or bodily-kinetic intelligences |
| 01:07.19 | Kynlem | Human's intelligence is relatively small to what it could be if we used 100% of our brain |
| 01:07.34 | RyanF | i have a pic |
| 01:07.48 | aptiva | show us |
| 01:07.49 | aptiva | :) |
| 01:07.54 | RyanF | let me upload... |
| 01:08.08 | aptiva | k |
| 01:08.09 | aptiva | http://fjolnir.aquaticsw.com/photos/ |
| 01:08.11 | aptiva | mine |
| 01:08.46 | RyanF | not a good pic, it is at my 14th bday: http://gerbilcentral.com/right.jpg |
| 01:08.51 | aptiva | Mojo_Jojo: hehe, you look like such a stoner with the long hair :P |
| 01:09.08 | Mojo_Jojo | ahahah, yeah, I get that a lot. |
| 01:09.32 | Mojo_Jojo | I didn't cut my hair for 3 years, then I got a job and they made me cut it. |
| 01:09.41 | aptiva | heh |
| 01:09.47 | RyanF | LOL |
| 01:09.53 | Mojo_Jojo | then I got fired and I started growing it out again. |
| 01:10.05 | aptiva | hehe |
| 01:10.10 | Kynlem | JordanF: do you have your pic ? |
| 01:10.15 | aptiva | the shortest time I've held a job was one day |
| 01:10.23 | RyanF | aptiva: you look so different in your 2 pics :P |
| 01:10.24 | Mojo_Jojo | last time I cut it was in September 2004 |
| 01:10.28 | jordanf | Kynlem, one sec |
| 01:10.29 | aptiva | RyanF: I know |
| 01:10.32 | aptiva | so bad quality |
| 01:10.38 | aptiva | I look better in real life :P |
| 01:10.41 | RyanF | lol |
| 01:10.51 | aptiva | and I was more bored in the big pic :) |
| 01:11.01 | RyanF | sure looks like it, LOL |
| 01:11.15 | Mojo_Jojo | http://photobucket.com/albums/v685/Sasha_G/parties/?action=view¤t=DSC03131.jpg |
| 01:11.22 | Mojo_Jojo | thats me, about half a year ago |
| 01:11.26 | aptiva | just playing with my dads phone :) |
| 01:11.34 | RyanF | lol |
| 01:11.47 | aptiva | still loading.. |
| 01:11.53 | jordanf | k, got one, resizing |
| 01:12.19 | aptiva | k |
| 01:12.20 | Mojo_Jojo | http://photobucket.com/albums/v685/Sasha_G/parties/?action=view¤t=DSC03123.jpg << This girl is Norwegian. |
| 01:12.43 | aptiva | this photobucket isn't loading for me |
| 01:12.45 | aptiva | I get text |
| 01:12.47 | aptiva | but no images |
| 01:12.53 | RyanF | are you like 7 feet tall mojo? |
| 01:12.58 | Mojo_Jojo | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v685/Sasha_G/parties/DSC03123.jpg |
| 01:13.04 | Mojo_Jojo | Im 6'5" |
| 01:13.05 | aptiva | RyanF: please talk in meters |
| 01:13.16 | Mojo_Jojo | aptiva, thats about 1.97m |
| 01:13.22 | aptiva | wow |
| 01:13.24 | RyanF | no... |
| 01:13.32 | RyanF | more than that |
| 01:13.34 | aptiva | that's like a basketball player or sum :P |
| 01:13.37 | RyanF | 2.4 or 5 |
| 01:13.40 | aptiva | eh |
| 01:13.41 | aptiva | no |
| 01:13.42 | Mojo_Jojo | haha |
| 01:13.49 | RyanF | i meter = 3 feet |
| 01:13.54 | RyanF | 1* |
| 01:13.56 | aptiva | I'm 1.87 |
| 01:14.01 | aptiva | meters |
| 01:14.12 | Mojo_Jojo | I did swimming for a while |
| 01:14.17 | aptiva | me2 |
| 01:14.21 | aptiva | got fucking bored |
| 01:14.34 | Mojo_Jojo | oh, I was pretty good on a 100 yard freestyle |
| 01:14.55 | Mojo_Jojo | my best time was 57 seconds on 100 free |
| 01:14.57 | aptiva | :) |
| 01:15.01 | aptiva | k |
| 01:15.03 | aptiva | neat |
| 01:15.07 | aptiva | not sure on my timing |
| 01:15.19 | Mojo_Jojo | ohh, you didn't compete ? |
| 01:15.23 | Kynlem | Anyone done long-distance jogging ? |
| 01:15.32 | RyanF | i play bball |
| 01:15.35 | Mojo_Jojo | I was on a swim team. |
| 01:15.37 | RyanF | (basketball) |
| 01:15.38 | aptiva | thing I was doing the hundred at around 70sec when I was 13 |
| 01:15.41 | aptiva | think |
| 01:16.01 | RyanF | i am 1.68 meters tall |
| 01:16.03 | aptiva | hehe |
| 01:16.06 | aptiva | dwarf :P |
| 01:16.16 | Kynlem | aptiva: LOL |
| 01:16.18 | Mojo_Jojo | My brother, is 17, but he is as tall as me... |
| 01:16.23 | RyanF | i'm only 14.. |
| 01:16.30 | aptiva | oh |
| 01:16.32 | aptiva | didn't know |
| 01:16.34 | RyanF | haha |
| 01:16.36 | Mojo_Jojo | Nike sponsored my brother at one time... to play basketball |
| 01:16.45 | RyanF | lol |
| 01:16.47 | aptiva | Mojo_Jojo: well.. pretty sure you're not getting any bigger :P |
| 01:16.59 | aptiva | he still playing? |
| 01:17.04 | Kynlem | JordanF: have you converted the pic ? |
| 01:17.05 | RyanF | mojo: what's his name |
| 01:17.10 | Mojo_Jojo | he went to Cali, Minnesota and some other states, all paid for by Nike |
| 01:17.18 | Mojo_Jojo | Ryan, Alex Gilman |
| 01:17.18 | RyanF | no NBA? :P |
| 01:17.32 | Mojo_Jojo | he is not famous or anything |
| 01:17.37 | RyanF | aww dang :P |
| 01:17.52 | jordanf | Mine: http://jfnet.homelinux.net:8083/jordanf1.jpg |
| 01:17.55 | Mojo_Jojo | its like a Portland youth team |
| 01:18.18 | RyanF | i am actually 1.71 meters :P |
| 01:18.22 | aptiva | :) |
| 01:18.27 | jordanf | Kynlem, done |
| 01:18.37 | RyanF | jordan that is a dramatic pic, LOL |
| 01:18.38 | Mojo_Jojo | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v685/Sasha_G/parties/DCP_0278.jpg |
| 01:18.42 | Mojo_Jojo | thats my brother :) |
| 01:18.52 | RyanF | chillin by the sand dunes |
| 01:18.54 | jordanf | RyanF, that's the most recent I can find -- it's from NC |
| 01:18.57 | Mojo_Jojo | well, I gotta go |
| 01:19.05 | Mojo_Jojo | peace out guys |
| 01:19.07 | RyanF | cya |
| 01:19.15 | *** part/#tfp Mojo_Jojo (~Alex@c-67-169-222-84.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 01:19.31 | RyanF | the life was just sucked out of tfp :P |
| 01:19.37 | RyanF | lol |
| 01:19.40 | jordanf | haha |
| 01:19.45 | Kynlem | JordanFL you and RyanF look quite different on the photos I've seen. |
| 01:19.53 | RyanF | yeppers |
| 01:19.54 | Kynlem | LOL |
| 01:20.03 | jordanf | lol Is that a surprise? |
| 01:20.03 | aptiva | http://simnet.is/aptiva/magny.mov |
| 01:20.09 | aptiva | here's a brunette I talked to |
| 01:20.19 | Kynlem | Well, I considered you look slightly different |
| 01:20.20 | aptiva | (they ain't all blonde:P) |
| 01:20.21 | RyanF | LOL |
| 01:20.26 | aptiva | </offtopic) |
| 01:20.33 | aptiva | s/)/> |
| 01:20.38 | RyanF | :P |
| 01:20.52 | jordanf | Aptiva, the movie quality and lighting is TOTAL SHIT :P |
| 01:20.52 | Kynlem | aptiva: where is the open tag ? You don't follow XML standards ! |
| 01:20.58 | jordanf | :p |
| 01:21.03 | aptiva | ... :) |
| 01:21.08 | aptiva | jordanf: I know |
| 01:21.14 | RyanF | jordan: do you have a better pic of my on your pc? |
| 01:21.16 | aptiva | it's like 1kbps |
| 01:21.18 | RyanF | brb |
| 01:21.22 | jordanf | RyanF, lemme see |
| 01:22.11 | aptiva | this one wasn't as fun tho |
| 01:22.22 | aptiva | (as can be plainly seen) |
| 01:23.52 | RyanF | b/c she didn't flash you? :) |
| 01:24.00 | aptiva | no.. |
| 01:24.08 | aptiva | she did say she was gonna tho |
| 01:24.15 | aptiva | but her parents came home early |
| 01:24.20 | aptiva | (the bastards) |
| 01:24.21 | jordanf | haha |
| 01:24.27 | RyanF | LOL |
| 01:24.54 | Kynlem | RyanF, you've put "asiammyself: but, well, look at " everywhere in WSB's sources |
| 01:25.03 | Kynlem | (HTML) |
| 01:25.05 | aptiva | other people's misery is this funny? :P |
| 01:25.14 | RyanF | what?! |
| 01:25.31 | jordanf | hehe |
| 01:26.01 | RyanF | no i didn;t |
| 01:26.04 | RyanF | where? |
| 01:26.38 | Kynlem | For example index.htm line #22 |
| 01:26.52 | RyanF | line 22: |
| 01:26.53 | RyanF | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:27.03 | RyanF | :/ |
| 01:27.07 | Kynlem | Here it was: |
| 01:27.34 | Kynlem | <img src="asiammyself: but, well, look at wsb.png" alt="ws" /> |
| 01:27.42 | Kynlem | * at how |
| 01:27.50 | RyanF | :o |
| 01:27.58 | Kynlem | Well, I think that's by me, cheers :-) |
| 01:28.10 | RyanF | lol, hehe, cheers :P |
| 01:29.16 | Kynlem | But how couldI insert it in 6 places ?! |
| 01:29.27 | Kynlem | s/couldl/could |
| 01:29.59 | RyanF | i have no idea :S |
| 01:33.08 | Kynlem | RyanF: have you found any other photos of you ? |
| 01:33.25 | RyanF | not recent |
| 01:35.47 | Kynlem | JordanF: what about you ? |
| 01:36.09 | Kynlem | RyanF: anyways give me the links to them, plz |
| 01:36.15 | jordanf | Kynlem, yes |
| 01:36.17 | Kynlem | s/plz/please |
| 01:36.41 | Kynlem | jordanf: URLs ? |
| 01:38.31 | jordanf | Kynlem, one sec |
| 01:39.57 | Kynlem | jordanf: OK |
| 01:41.41 | jordanf | Kynlem, here: http://jfnet.homelinux.net:8083/pics/ |
| 01:42.02 | jordanf | I'm basically wearing the same clothes in each photo because they were taken minutes apart |
| 01:42.05 | jordanf | lol |
| 01:44.20 | Kynlem | I see, your pants looks like several size more than you need, lol |
| 01:44.47 | Kynlem | This one http://jfnet.homelinux.net:8083/pics/jordanf3.jpg |
| 01:44.58 | jordanf | lol Not too bad -- I prefer them a bit more loose |
| 01:46.06 | Kynlem | Well, me either |
| 01:47.05 | jordanf | Ok, here's a better one of RyanF, though you can't see his eyes :P http://jfnet.homelinux.net:8083/pics/ryanf1.jpg |
| 01:47.27 | RyanF | that is old |
| 01:47.33 | RyanF | i hate that one :P |
| 01:47.37 | jordanf | As old as mine |
| 01:47.39 | jordanf | That's 05 |
| 01:48.39 | Kynlem | What is the stone he's standing near ? |
| 01:49.16 | jordanf | It's a monument where the first manned flight took place (southern US) |
| 01:49.37 | jordanf | Kynlem, this is what happens to American drivers when on ice: http://jfnet.homelinux.net:8083/pics/crashed.jpg :) :) |
| 01:49.41 | Kynlem | Ah |
| 01:49.46 | jordanf | (it's real btw) |
| 01:50.17 | Kynlem | :-| |
| 01:50.32 | Kynlem | Who was that ? |
| 01:50.38 | jordanf | That fence gets crashed into a few times a year :) |
| 01:50.40 | Kynlem | Do you know the driver personally ? |
| 01:50.56 | jordanf | I don't know who did that -- saw that while revisiting home |
| 01:51.23 | Kynlem | Is it somewhere around the place where you live ? |
| 01:51.40 | jordanf | Close to where I used to live |
| 01:51.45 | jordanf | Southcentral Alaska |
| 01:52.03 | Kynlem | Ah |
| 01:52.22 | jordanf | Now, where I currently live, car wrecks are worse because everybody's in a rush :( |
| 01:52.23 | Kynlem | http://irc.maxkelley.com/piespy/?reallycool <-- there is an pentagram, good that not reversed |
| 01:52.37 | Kynlem | Yeah, that's bad. |
| 01:53.05 | Kynlem | Pentagram used to be one of the USSR's symbols . . |
| 01:53.50 | jordanf | It was on their flag, right? |
| 01:54.36 | Kynlem | Yeah |
| 01:54.46 | Kynlem | In general pentagram doesn' |
| 01:55.21 | Kynlem | t mean anything bad, it means a human, but in certain situations and when reversed it can be veiwed as a satanist sign |
| 01:55.49 | Kynlem | Well, in USSR it wasn't reversed, so bothing bad, I guess |
| 01:55.56 | Kynlem | s/bothing/nothing |
| 01:56.06 | swoolley | pentagrams reversed were a symbol of protection |
| 01:56.16 | swoolley | used in whichcraft |
| 01:56.33 | jordanf | or "According to Heather Child's Christian Symbols, Ancient and Modern (ISBN 0713519606), the pentagram is a symbol of the five senses. Also, when the letters S, A, L, V, and S are inscribed in the points, the pentagram is a symbol of health (Latin sal.s). The symbol may also represent the five wounds of Christ. See also morning star." |
| 01:56.45 | Kynlem | swoolley: haven't heard about that before. |
| 01:57.02 | jordanf | "By finding this balance many neo-pagans also believe that the power of those five elements can be drawn together in a variety of ways in order to best utilise the power of those elements and possibly directly affect their surroundings thereby manipulating events. This proposal is generally now described as "witchcraft"." |
| 01:57.12 | jordanf | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagram |
| 02:00.35 | RyanF | hi guys |
| 02:01.06 | Kynlem | wb |
| 02:01.18 | RyanF | thanks :P |
| 02:06.49 | RyanF | whats up? |
| 02:07.06 | Kynlem | lol, not much |
| 02:07.06 | RyanF | you finishing WSB? :P |
| 02:07.10 | aptiva | wsb? |
| 02:07.26 | RyanF | aptiva, a website project we are doing for someone |
| 02:07.36 | RyanF | http://gerbilcentral.com/wsboards |
| 02:07.41 | Kynlem | RyanF: going to do that now |
| 02:07.46 | RyanF | okee |
| 02:07.55 | Kynlem | http://www.wsboards.com/ |
| 02:08.07 | RyanF | :P |
| 02:08.21 | aptiva | well paid? |
| 02:08.37 | RyanF | not exactly... |
| 02:08.42 | RyanF | i think he's ripping us off |
| 02:08.46 | RyanF | $60 for whole thing |
| 02:08.53 | aptiva | hahahhhaaaha |
| 02:09.09 | aptiva | what is the project description? |
| 02:09.21 | Kynlem | Designs + intgration ith existsing script |
| 02:09.28 | aptiva | k |
| 02:09.29 | RyanF | web design, then a news script in php + integration |
| 02:09.29 | Kynlem | s/intgration/integration |
| 02:09.49 | aptiva | I'd say $500 would be fair since you're not adults |
| 02:10.06 | aptiva | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:10.31 | RyanF | i know :( |
| 02:10.38 | aptiva | he sure got himself a bargain |
| 02:10.44 | RyanF | but he says he can get it elsewhere for $60 |
| 02:10.46 | aptiva | why the fuck didn't you demand more? |
| 02:10.50 | RyanF | which i think is bullshit |
| 02:10.50 | aptiva | I see |
| 02:11.01 | aptiva | why didn't you just tell him, then get that offer |
| 02:11.09 | aptiva | if he's bluffing |
| 02:11.09 | RyanF | i asked 100... for only designs |
| 02:11.12 | aptiva | he'd call you later |
| 02:11.22 | RyanF | and he's like "WTF YOU THINK THIS IS' |
| 02:11.34 | RyanF | i said, "its the real world buddy" |
| 02:11.44 | RyanF | so, he temporarily fired me :P |
| 02:11.48 | aptiva | hah |
| 02:11.50 | RyanF | then came back and said do it |
| 02:11.58 | RyanF | for $45 for designs |
| 02:12.11 | RyanF | then he fired me again because he did'nt like it |
| 02:12.16 | RyanF | then he came back... |
| 02:12.23 | aptiva | well obviously he doesn't have another offer |
| 02:12.23 | aptiva | ... |
| 02:12.31 | RyanF | so now it;s finished... and i'm still waiting for my money... hehe |
| 02:12.39 | RyanF | i think he will pay tomorrow |
| 02:12.43 | aptiva | k |
| 02:12.47 | jordanf | Dude, don't let him have it until you have the money |
| 02:12.54 | RyanF | yeah thats true |
| 02:13.14 | aptiva | hehe, I'm getting more than this for less than one day at work :) |
| 02:13.27 | RyanF | see??! |
| 02:13.33 | RyanF | i told you i'm getting bullshitewd |
| 02:13.52 | RyanF | i could have easily charge $200 i think... |
| 02:13.56 | aptiva | yes |
| 02:14.07 | aptiva | programmers are not cheap in real life :) |
| 02:14.14 | aptiva | well, gn |
| 02:14.30 | RyanF | goodnight |
| 02:14.55 | Kynlem | Good night, aptiva |
| 02:15.01 | jordanf | Later |
| 02:15.14 | RyanF | peace out! |
| 02:15.16 | RyanF | :P |
| 02:21.46 | jordanf | "Microsoft Urges Developers to Prepare for IE 7 |
| 02:21.48 | jordanf | The beta version of Internet Explorer 7 could cause compatibility problems, but many Web developers are reluctant to take advance action." |
| 02:22.13 | jordanf | Ahahahahaha!! |
| 02:22.14 | jordanf | "Microsoft Investigates |
| 02:22.14 | jordanf | New XP SP2 Flaw |
| 02:22.15 | jordanf | A potentially serious security hole has been discovered in fully patched versions of Windows XP SP2, even with the integrated firewall turned on." |
| 02:22.37 | Kynlem | Why they don't use Gecko . . ? |
| 02:22.39 | RyanF | .... |
| 02:29.36 | *** join/#tfp Mojo_Jojo (~agilman@c-67-169-222-84.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 02:30.14 | jordanf | wb Mojo_Jojo |
| 02:30.35 | RyanF | hey mojo_jojo |
| 02:31.12 | RyanF | mojojojo :P |
| 02:32.39 | Mojo_Jojo | hey guys |
| 02:32.48 | Kynlem | wb Mojo_Jojo |
| 02:33.20 | Mojo_Jojo | I think Im gonna write a chess game in python. |
| 02:33.39 | Mojo_Jojo | and make a GUI for it with GTK |
| 02:34.01 | Kynlem | Two player or want to use/create some algorithm for computer ? |
| 02:34.19 | nick125 | PyGTK is nice :) |
| 02:34.29 | Mojo_Jojo | just pvp |
| 02:34.59 | Kynlem | nick125: you're not Python fan anymore, right ? Now you stick with Ruby? |
| 02:35.05 | Mojo_Jojo | nick125, yeah, I never done GUI before really... so I chose pyGTK to learn |
| 02:36.10 | nick125 | Kynlem: I like them both :) |
| 02:36.27 | Kynlem | nick125: cool :-) |
| 02:38.24 | Kynlem | nick125: when you started learning Ruby ? |
| 02:39.11 | nick125 | ...three days ago :P |
| 02:39.49 | Kynlem | nick125: hehe, phun :-) How much have you learnt so far? |
| 02:40.25 | nick125 | I've made a IRC bot in it |
| 02:41.09 | Kynlem | Hehe, cool, one of first thing I was learning when got to C#/j#/.NET |
| 02:41.17 | Kynlem | s/thing/thing |
| 02:41.23 | Kynlem | lol, s/thing/things |
| 02:42.40 | Kynlem | brb, gotta get some food |
| 02:48.50 | Kynlem | It'd be interesting to write something similar to PieSpy, but also to make it analyse long-time relations, not just only last 24 hours |
| 02:48.55 | Kynlem | back, btw |
| 02:49.21 | nick125 | in python? |
| 02:49.52 | Kynlem | Anything, p/l doesn't matter |
| 02:50.37 | nick125 | also making something that has a queue, instead of generating it for every message |
| 02:51.17 | nick125 | piespys generate that image every message |
| 02:51.31 | Kynlem | nick125: yeah, tho I am not sure how this one works, haven't looked inside the sources |
| 02:51.51 | Kynlem | well, you know better than how it works |
| 02:51.57 | Kynlem | s/than/,then, |
| 02:54.35 | Kynlem | I have some ideas about how it'd be better coded. |
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| 03:03.55 | ashanks | hey |
| 03:04.02 | swoolley | hey |
| 03:04.03 | ashanks | what's up? |
| 03:04.03 | Mojo_Jojo | hello Mr. Shanks. |
| 03:04.12 | ashanks | heh |
| 03:04.17 | ashanks | hi Mr. Mojo_Jojo |
| 03:04.45 | ashanks | swoolley: sub prettyify() { }? |
| 03:04.51 | Kynlem | Yo ashanks :-) ! |
| 03:04.55 | Kynlem | What's up? |
| 03:04.58 | ashanks | hey Kynlem. |
| 03:05.03 | ashanks | not much. just got home. |
| 03:05.34 | Mojo_Jojo | swoolley, I went to a huge party last night :) |
| 03:05.58 | ashanks | swoolley: your blog software is nice, though, don't like that it took my post and ignored the HTML <a href > links and auto-matically prettify()ed them (converted the http://s to hrefs) |
| 03:07.01 | ashanks | Kynlem, FE's now clean URLs. |
| 03:07.19 | RyanF | hi ashanks |
| 03:07.21 | ashanks | Kynlem, except forums, those need converted to module. |
| 03:07.27 | ashanks | hey |
| 03:08.03 | Kynlem | ashanks: cool, I've thought about getting FE very modular and OO in 0.4 |
| 03:08.23 | ashanks | hmm. it'll happen by 0.2 I guess :) |
| 03:08.34 | ashanks | http://irc.maxkelley.com/piespy/?really-weird |
| 03:08.35 | Kynlem | that's good |
| 03:08.57 | Kynlem | also we might put db stuff inside a class a everything else ? |
| 03:09.24 | ashanks | not necessary I don't think. |
| 03:09.30 | Kynlem | s/a/like |
| 03:09.42 | ashanks | $db->Query() verses dbQuery() would just mean one thing: slower |
| 03:10.04 | ashanks | PHP 4/5 aren't yet good and as fast at OOP code versus just functions |
| 03:10.26 | Mojo_Jojo | man, I lost that girls e-mail address. |
| 03:10.46 | ashanks | Mojo_Jojo: was it callme@pornstar.com? |
| 03:10.52 | Kynlem | ashanks: I agree, well we can go with how have in 0.2, and get that changed in 0.3-0.4 if needed, OK? |
| 03:10.56 | Mojo_Jojo | no, it was yaho.com |
| 03:11.22 | Kynlem | Mojo_Jojo: callme-pornstart@yahoo.com, then ? |
| 03:11.25 | ashanks | Kynlem: ok |
| 03:11.34 | ashanks | Kynlem: LoL :) |
| 03:12.28 | ashanks | :-P |
| 03:12.35 | Kynlem | LOL |
| 03:12.51 | swoolley | ashanks: what's wrong whith that? |
| 03:13.00 | ashanks | swoolley: two things: |
| 03:13.06 | swoolley | ashanks: it uses the same code on the comments and the blog entries |
| 03:13.17 | swoolley | ashanks: so for security reasons it auto-linkifies |
| 03:13.21 | ashanks | 1. prettyify is a very weird choice of subroutine name! |
| 03:13.34 | swoolley | it means make pretty |
| 03:13.49 | ashanks | 2. linking without <a href>s means I can't put link titles, like "Come to <a href>this</a> site" |
| 03:14.02 | swoolley | yes you can |
| 03:14.11 | ashanks | oh? |
| 03:14.14 | swoolley | Come to http://this-site.com |
| 03:14.22 | ashanks | No, |
| 03:14.25 | ashanks | Because: |
| 03:14.35 | swoolley | "this" is not allowed in the html spec as an html target anyways |
| 03:14.44 | ashanks | Come to <a href="http://ebay.com/">this</a> site. |
| 03:15.15 | ashanks | ^^ |
| 03:15.20 | ashanks | Why can't I do that? |
| 03:15.30 | ashanks | That is allowed. |
| 03:15.44 | swoolley | http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG/#gl-facilitate-navigation |
| 03:15.47 | ashanks | It validates under the w3c anyway.. (which w3c sucks) |
| 03:15.48 | swoolley | check 13.1 |
| 03:16.20 | ashanks | I mean like this: |
| 03:17.10 | ashanks | "Download <a href="http://sourceforge.net/gaim/download?mirror=blah">Gaim</a> -- a really sucky IM app" |
| 03:17.34 | Mojo_Jojo | gaim kicks ass, nigger |
| 03:17.55 | ashanks | Mojo_Jojo: it was an example :/ |
| 03:17.57 | swoolley | "Download Gaim ( http://sourceforge.net/gaim/download?mirror=blah ) -- a really sucky IM app |
| 03:18.03 | Kynlem | Mojo_Jojo: Oooh, racism is bad . . |
| 03:18.45 | Mojo_Jojo | kynlem, it was for emphasis, rather then rasism |
| 03:18.55 | ashanks | swoolley: it still isn't nice. that's fine in that example, but it makes the post longer, and contains a really nasty looking URL (for some sites). |
| 03:19.08 | ashanks | like product specs for stuff. |
| 03:19.21 | Kynlem | Mojo_JojO: I know . . |
| 03:19.24 | swoolley | ashanks: the system handles long urls perfectly |
| 03:19.24 | ashanks | They have URLs longer than 255 chars, probably longer than 500. |
| 03:19.32 | Kynlem | s/Mojo_Joj0/Mojo_Jojo |
| 03:19.33 | swoolley | 4096 is the limit |
| 03:19.43 | ashanks | swoolley: it doesn't look "pretty" in your blog posts though |
| 03:20.12 | jordanf | lol |
| 03:20.36 | ashanks | swoolley: and WHAT if I want to show an image. You should at least have [img] or something. |
| 03:21.25 | swoolley | ashanks: why would I want to show an image? |
| 03:21.39 | ashanks | "Check out my future car: <new line> [img]http://motors.ebay.com/porche/2006/pic.jpg[/img]" |
| 03:21.41 | swoolley | ashanks: I link to my gallery |
| 03:21.53 | Kynlem | swoolley: what about b, i, u tags? Does your blog support them? |
| 03:22.23 | swoolley | Kynlem: nope |
| 03:22.24 | ashanks | swoolley: Lots of blogs have imgs in them... it is part of the blogging community to provide images from time to time |
| 03:22.34 | swoolley | ashanks: yeah, via a gallery program |
| 03:22.58 | ashanks | swoolley: the image in the post. |
| 03:23.19 | ashanks | <img> wasn't meant so you could <a href=""></a> them (images). |
| 03:23.40 | swoolley | ashanks: netscape hacked on image support, and tim berners-lee regretted it |
| 03:24.02 | swoolley | the original html language had no img tag |
| 03:24.16 | ashanks | who cares about tim berners-lee? Is he writing my blog posts though? |
| 03:24.36 | swoolley | no, I am writing my blog posts -- I designed it for me as an example of secure coding |
| 03:24.41 | ashanks | swoolley: the web evolves. there is absolutely no standard. |
| 03:24.41 | swoolley | secure and minimalist |
| 03:24.43 | RyanF | hi guys |
| 03:24.52 | Kynlem | wb RyanF |
| 03:24.58 | RyanF | thanks |
| 03:25.01 | swoolley | my blog isn't even in color |
| 03:25.05 | Kynlem | swoolley: do you use lynx ? |
| 03:25.15 | swoolley | Kynlem: I use w3m, not lynx |
| 03:25.27 | ashanks | *cough*you mean firefox?*cough |
| 03:25.43 | swoolley | obviously I'm doing something correctly, my pagerank is 6 |
| 03:26.02 | ashanks | swoolley: because all the population in oregon links to you. |
| 03:26.16 | swoolley | not true, look at google: link:swoolley.org |
| 03:26.16 | RyanF | haha |
| 03:26.24 | swoolley | I have like four people linking to me |
| 03:26.34 | ashanks | swoolley: I don't care about Googlebot that much. His job is to get users to come to my site, I want them to enjoy their stay... |
| 03:27.05 | ashanks | They won't using the "standard" you follow. How insecure is <img> or <a href=""></a>s? |
| 03:28.09 | ashanks | Besides, w3 uses what I'm talking about. |
| 03:28.15 | ashanks | http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG/#gl-facilitate-navigation |
| 03:28.30 | Kynlem | Good night |
| 03:28.36 | RyanF | goodnight |
| 03:28.48 | ashanks | <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/WAI-WEBCONTENT-TECHS/#tech-site-description">Techniques for checkpoint 13.3</a> |
| 03:28.53 | ashanks | night Kynlem. |
| 03:29.21 | jordanf | cya |
| 03:29.39 | ashanks | swoolley: so they provide link captions, yes, I believe "this" is rather stupid one, but still, they do for practical captions. |
| 03:30.07 | ashanks | swoolley: and Mike will tell you that w3 is not always right. |
| 03:30.16 | swoolley | mike? |
| 03:30.26 | ashanks | And that it is good to have invalidating XHTML. |
| 03:30.45 | ashanks | swoolley: one seconnd |
| 03:30.59 | RyanF | w3 is not always right |
| 03:31.06 | RyanF | a lot of w3 is bs |
| 03:31.19 | ashanks | http://www.mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2004/06/march-to-your-own-standard |
| 03:31.40 | ashanks | swoolley: read it all. it is not a total rant. |
| 03:32.06 | ashanks | swoolley: he knows, he worked for disney and ESPN as a web-designer. |
| 03:32.49 | RyanF | w00t |
| 03:32.53 | RyanF | he pwns |
| 03:33.00 | jordanf | RyanF: retard |
| 03:33.15 | RyanF | look at his awesome designs :P |
| 03:33.59 | RyanF | *pwnz |
| 03:34.02 | RyanF | that better? |
| 03:37.01 | ashanks | And might I add that Mike has a page ranking of 7.. not 6 :) |
| 03:37.02 | swoolley | ashanks: lol -- he worked for disney and espn -- two horrible websites |
| 03:37.14 | jordanf | Exactly |
| 03:37.17 | ashanks | swoolley: not when he was working for them. check the archiver. |
| 03:37.33 | ashanks | swoolley: he's also done ABC related stuff. |
| 03:38.17 | ashanks | swoolley: and if you're going to judge the guy by the companies he's worked for, and not his article, that's not nice. |
| 03:39.57 | swoolley | "And we at ESPN brought typographically rich scalable headlines to the world using Flash and Javascript. " |
| 03:40.00 | swoolley | pffft |
| 03:40.14 | swoolley | does he not know that doesn't work in w3m? |
| 03:40.21 | jordanf | Flash and Javascript... yuck |
| 03:40.26 | RyanF | lol |
| 03:40.42 | swoolley | ashanks: I think I've won this debate without much effort |
| 03:40.52 | RyanF | swoolley: no you haven't |
| 03:40.58 | RyanF | this guy is l33ter than you |
| 03:41.00 | ashanks | swoolley: the article is not about flash and javascript, is it? |
| 03:41.03 | jordanf | rofl |
| 03:41.16 | ashanks | swoolley: this article is about why we shouldn't always follow whatever w3 says. |
| 03:41.26 | ashanks | swoolley: and it has several good points you have overlooked. |
| 03:42.10 | RyanF | ashanks, i think this is the first time we are on the same side of an arguement :0 |
| 03:42.13 | ashanks | swoolley: from a logical perspective, it is not GOOD to to <img src="http://somewebsite.com/" alt="" /> to make your website valid XHTML, the alt is required, even if you do not want it. |
| 03:42.55 | jordanf | The alt attribute makes it at least somewhat understandable in lynx |
| 03:42.59 | ashanks | swoolley: even though you hate the "img" tag, you still like w3's standards, which aren't completely good ones, they have their flaws. |
| 03:43.06 | ashanks | jordanf: umm.. |
| 03:43.20 | ashanks | while you're at it, let's shoot for IE compatability to 100% there too. |
| 03:43.26 | ashanks | you want that right? |
| 03:43.36 | ashanks | :) |
| 03:44.30 | ashanks | I can tell you that you don't. In fact, you're almost the person who'd do <?php if (strstr($_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT'], 'MSIE')) { die('You aren\'t allowed'); } |
| 03:46.24 | jordanf | I used to just redirect users to the ff download site |
| 03:46.28 | ashanks | jordanf: just because we have a browser out there that is text-based and doesn't allow images, we shouldn't let every website be taken into account because we have one text-based browser user who can't see the page the way they would like to. |
| 03:46.44 | ashanks | jordanf: let's face it |
| 03:46.49 | jordanf | ashanks, I'm not saying get rid of images -- I'm saying make good use of the alt tab |
| 03:46.58 | jordanf | s/tab/attribute |
| 03:46.59 | jordanf | lol |
| 03:47.15 | ashanks | jordanf: not if you don't want it. |
| 03:47.34 | jordanf | Want what? |
| 03:47.54 | RyanF | i just thought of something |
| 03:47.55 | ashanks | jordanf: some images, you don't want an alt, because if it doesn't load correctly, then it doesn't matter. for instance, a Powered by PHP button. |
| 03:48.02 | RyanF | this sounds like religion in public schools |
| 03:48.17 | jordanf | :/ |
| 03:48.35 | RyanF | "well we can't say christmas because that will offend muslims, and we cant say haunika because that will offend the nazi kids at school" |
| 03:48.46 | jordanf | haunika? |
| 03:48.53 | RyanF | the w3c is just trying to make everyone happy |
| 03:49.06 | RyanF | by making web designers do all this extra shit |
| 03:49.11 | RyanF | to fit EVERYONE'S needs |
| 03:49.12 | jordanf | That's the exact point |
| 03:49.20 | ashanks | but the truth is. |
| 03:49.30 | ashanks | you should follow the standards you want. |
| 03:49.39 | ashanks | and not what the people at w3 tell you to. |
| 03:49.57 | ashanks | swoolley believes that IMG tag should've never been there, so he won't use that on his site. |
| 03:50.27 | RyanF | lol |
| 03:50.35 | ashanks | While ashanks, may want to put it on there, because he believes it is a nice idea to show an image or two to interest users from time to time. |
| 03:50.40 | RyanF | i like the image tag.... it makes websites... beautiful :P |
| 03:51.04 | RyanF | and no, that doesn't mean porn, swoolley... :/ |
| 03:55.09 | swoolley | RyanF: that doesn't make any sense -- CSS works fine |
| 03:55.23 | swoolley | look at the beauty of my website |
| 03:56.18 | RyanF | that logo is an image... |
| 03:56.24 | RyanF | with the mountains |
| 03:56.35 | ashanks | the point is that we should not deem a website obsolete because it does not follow the standards w3 said. |
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| 03:56.48 | ashanks | RyanF: he does a background-image: I believe in his CSS |
| 03:57.02 | RyanF | ah |
| 03:57.10 | RyanF | that's still an image though :P |
| 03:58.24 | ashanks | swoolley: I'm going to say that the "validation" bot was written to make sure that you were at least writing halfway-compliancy code with the today's browsers, but the reality is, no browser will interpret the standards the same way, and that's because they have their own views on the standards, for instance, IE doesn't like shadowing CSS. |
| 03:58.44 | ashanks | but Firefox and Safari support text-shadowing IIRC. |
| 03:59.07 | ashanks | that doesn't mean we shouldn't use text-shadow because it isn't a standard CSS attribute. |
| 03:59.31 | ashanks | because it adds a nice effect in 2/3rds of the browsers. |
| 03:59.50 | RyanF | but...... |
| 03:59.56 | RyanF | 80% of the world still uses IE |
| 04:00.09 | ashanks | not true, anymore. |
| 04:00.15 | RyanF | thats why FIREFOX (and safari) pwn |
| 04:00.17 | RyanF | ok 60% |
| 04:00.24 | RyanF | that's still a lot |
| 04:01.58 | ashanks | The thing is, any proprietary web browser will probably fail because it doesn't implements the open source community's "standards". Many times there's code added to Gecko and KHTML that are new additions to CSS and HTML rendering... and not because w3 said to do that. |
| 04:02.15 | swoolley | ashanks: yeah, but they put -moz- in front of it etc |
| 04:02.27 | ashanks | swoolley: that isn't the point. |
| 04:02.49 | ashanks | we shouldn't rely on documented standards by a 3rd party place to tell us how to shape the web. |
| 04:03.16 | swoolley | that's not what the standards do |
| 04:03.19 | ashanks | we should shape the web browsers as how today's web developers are creating pages. |
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| 04:03.37 | ashanks | because the standards don't change as fast. |
| 04:03.44 | Smerdyakov | This fast? ------------------------> |
| 04:04.12 | ashanks | Hmm? |
| 04:04.15 | Smerdyakov | O_o Why do you have ops here? |
| 04:04.36 | swoolley | ashanks: the standards are there as a baseline -- do anything outside standards you want, but if you want interoperability, at least stick to basic standards. |
| 04:04.50 | ashanks | swoolley: the basic standards, yes. |
| 04:05.09 | RyanF | smerdyakov: it's voice |
| 04:05.13 | swoolley | Smerdyakov: who, what? |
| 04:05.16 | ashanks | but that doesn't mean I should make my code follow EXACT standards so that the validator bot likes it as "strict XHTML" |
| 04:06.01 | Smerdyakov | Why are there users set +o in this channel? |
| 04:06.34 | ashanks | ChanServ and cache (the channel supybot)? |
| 04:07.06 | ashanks | well cache prevents flooding, and ChanServ doesn't ever deop. |
| 04:07.44 | Smerdyakov | You actually have attacks in here? That's sad. |
| 04:07.51 | ashanks | swoolley: do you agree that those requirements are silly? |
| 04:07.56 | Smerdyakov | Anyone with privileges can op himself instantly to handle that. |
| 04:08.51 | ashanks | http://www.mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2004/06/march-to-your-own-standard |
| 04:09.27 | ashanks | I mean, Firefox is fully prepared to handle uppercase tags. The standard validator bots don't allow it. |
| 04:10.28 | swoolley | ashanks: nope, I don't think the lowercase requirement is silly |
| 04:10.38 | swoolley | it increases compressibility, mainly |
| 04:10.47 | ashanks | with what web browser? |
| 04:10.51 | swoolley | in any case XML is designed for easy parsing |
| 04:10.52 | RyanF | i dont use caps anyway... |
| 04:10.55 | RyanF | who does? |
| 04:10.57 | swoolley | compared to SGML |
| 04:11.22 | swoolley | where SGML requires an O(n^3) algorithm, XML requires O(1) |
| 04:11.38 | swoolley | O(N) rather |
| 04:12.00 | swoolley | store your data internally in some tag soup however you want |
| 04:12.14 | swoolley | but for the semantic web, the web needs an O(N) algorithm. |
| 04:12.22 | ashanks | but still, validating in XHTML for compatability... what's the point? |
| 04:12.28 | Smerdyakov | O(N) algorithm for what problem? |
| 04:12.40 | swoolley | Smerdyakov: parsing XML |
| 04:12.42 | ashanks | It doesn't parse correctly in IE if you follow exact standards anyway. |
| 04:13.03 | swoolley | Smerdyakov: since it has balanced tags and quoted attributes, you can parse it in linear time. |
| 04:13.06 | RyanF | goodnight everyone.... zzzzzzz |
| 04:13.15 | Smerdyakov | Well, you can't really implement memory allocation in constant time, so that's not really true if you want useful output. :P |
| 04:14.01 | swoolley | Smerdyakov: it's unfortunate you don't know what you're talking about |
| 04:14.16 | ashanks | haha. |
| 04:14.20 | Smerdyakov | What makes you think I don't know what I'm talking about? |
| 04:15.59 | swoolley | Smerdyakov: complex memory allocation is not needed in specialized parsers. |
| 04:16.43 | Smerdyakov | So you want to allocate one block of memory for a whole tree structure and just allocate into that? |
| 04:17.06 | swoolley | Smerdyakov: no, what part of "not needed" don't you understand? |
| 04:17.18 | Smerdyakov | So what are suggesting using to build the tree structure? |
| 04:18.01 | swoolley | Smerdyakov: the whole point of XML is that the entire tree need not be constructed to parse a section of a file. |
| 04:18.23 | swoolley | Smerdyakov: whereas with SGML, you do have to parse the entire file |
| 04:19.00 | Smerdyakov | O(N) in the size of that section is still probably not what you get if you use a standard memory allocation API. |
| 04:19.18 | Smerdyakov | Assuming you want to build some kind of result that hasn't lost information. |
| 04:19.18 | swoolley | Smerdyakov: specialized parsing is an O(N) operation, and more complex parsing including memory allocation in a complete parse is probably O(n lg n) |
| 04:20.05 | swoolley | Smerdyakov: true that if you use a standard memory allocation API, you'll get worse, however, XML was built for processing on specialized hardware as a baseline. |
| 04:20.24 | Smerdyakov | Specialized hardware? How goofy! |
| 04:21.10 | swoolley | ok, now pragmatic considerations are goofy |
| 04:21.14 | swoolley | whatevver |
| 04:21.29 | swoolley | I need to coordinate with my brother in another room |
| 04:21.39 | ashanks | lol |
| 04:23.37 | ashanks | You could just use Java (I know, gross)'s style memory allocation, allocate a lot, and throw away a lot in a garbage collection system. |
| 04:24.52 | Smerdyakov | If you ever need to run the collector, that most assuredly does not yield constant time allocation. |
| 04:24.52 | swoolley | ashanks: it's still not O(1), which is what Smerdyakov's point was. |
| 04:25.23 | ashanks | I see. |
| 04:26.35 | Smerdyakov | Maybe with a copying collector, but Java usually uses mark and sweep. |
| 04:27.54 | ashanks | Hmm |
| 04:29.40 | ashanks | Well then |
| 04:29.51 | ashanks | Maybe I will follow W3C standards. |
| 04:30.38 | swoolley | heh |
| 04:32.38 | ashanks | http://www.mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2004/06/march-to-your-own-standard <-- but number 1 on the "Alright, we've got our W3C stripes, now what do we do?" list seems to make sense still |
| 04:34.56 | swoolley | ashanks: not worry about it anymore? |
| 04:35.18 | ashanks | It says "Don't join the validation army." |
| 04:36.13 | swoolley | ashanks: I'm not telling them to validate -- if it's not viewable, I simply won't view it, it's their choice to do that (unless it's government or some required website like a university registration system, then I might make a big deal out of it) |
| 04:37.29 | ashanks | swoolley: it's just a concept. whether you should follow exact w3c standards, or make exceptions for stupid little stuff even if you know it won't validate. |
| 04:38.02 | swoolley | ashanks: why not just make it to the basic standards and concentrate on everything else? |
| 04:38.23 | ashanks | swoolley: but if the next age of browsers are going to comply with the w3c standards, and it looks good on the modern platforms, I would probably make sure to stick to those standards. |
| 04:39.11 | ashanks | swoolley: ok. |
| 04:39.13 | swoolley | ashanks: xml already requires a failure notice in any validating parser |
| 04:39.40 | swoolley | view a non-valid page in mozilla sent as xhtml and it will croak |
| 04:39.51 | swoolley | and print the error to the screeen |
| 04:40.39 | ashanks | swoolley: I know. I've had to deal with XML parsing. And now I have to work with trying to parse a .GPX file, and it just doesn't seem that the XML parser would allow it. |
| 04:41.01 | ashanks | swoolley: are you familiar with GPX files? do they follow standards? |
| 04:41.30 | ashanks | http://www.topografix.com/gpx.asp |
| 04:41.49 | swoolley | looks like it |
| 04:42.05 | ashanks | "GPX (the GPS Exchange Format) is a light-weight XML data format for the interchange of GPS data (waypoints, routes, and tracks) between applications and Web services on the Internet." |
| 04:42.17 | swoolley | their website is not XML yet |
| 04:42.34 | ashanks | http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1/gpx.xsd <-- that's an example schema |
| 04:43.17 | swoolley | that's xml valid |
| 04:43.24 | swoolley | ashanks: looks like nmea rebranded as xml |
| 04:43.29 | ashanks | woohoo :) |
| 04:44.04 | ashanks | swoolley: yeah, Geocaching.com uses that to provide search queries for things like the nearest 500 geocaches. |
| 04:44.41 | ashanks | if an XML parser will parse that format fine, then that makes my job (writing a viewer for it) a lot easier :) |
| 04:49.05 | ashanks | brb. switching machines. |
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| 04:59.43 | ashanks | now I just have to find a good Obj-C XML parser. |
| 05:00.45 | swoolley | ashanks: can't you use a regular C one? |
| 05:00.48 | swoolley | like expat? |
| 05:00.59 | ashanks | swoolley: I can use a regular C one, yes. |
| 05:01.25 | ashanks | expat? |
| 05:03.14 | ashanks | http://expat.sourceforge.net/ |
| 05:03.15 | ashanks | that? |
| 05:05.05 | ashanks | hmm |
| 05:05.08 | ashanks | interesting API |
| 05:07.44 | swoolley | what were you expecting? |
| 05:08.11 | ashanks | no, it just seems lower level than most of the Obj-C 3rd party parsers I've seen. |
| 05:08.55 | ashanks | they all have weird methods like XMLParseLineNumber:line forTag:@"name" returnValue; |
| 05:09.23 | ashanks | this seems pretty simple, after looking at the example. |
| 05:09.33 | ashanks | http://www.xml.com/1999/09/expat/src/outline.c |
| 05:10.47 | ashanks | The other libs require you to initiate a lot of objects and call methods with a lot of parameters. |
| 05:11.16 | ashanks | this is some simple typedefs and a little bit of function calling. |
| 05:11.24 | ashanks | :-) |
| 05:21.06 | swoolley | yeah, it's the reference implementation |
| 05:22.56 | ashanks | seems pretty easy. |
| 05:23.11 | ashanks | and probably faster and less [memory, that is] leaking. |
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| 06:56.53 | ashanks | swoolley: that's odd. |
| 06:57.06 | ashanks | I just filed a bug with Apple. |
| 06:57.18 | ashanks | And I'm talking to the guy who got assigned to it -- on IRC :) |
| 07:00.49 | swoolley | ashanks: hmm |
| 07:01.03 | swoolley | ashanks: does he know you? |
| 07:01.42 | ashanks | swoolley: yeah, Apple has their official devs on freenode, both opendarwin (core OS X) and webkit are official IRC channels on freenode, lots of @apple.com dudes hang there. |
| 07:02.09 | ashanks | it was a webkit (their KHTML-based renderer) bug with threading |
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| 07:34.55 | ashanks | Gokee2! |
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| 08:16.27 | ashanks | sleep |
| 08:16.31 | ashanks | be back later |
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| 09:58.24 | aptiva | piebot: do you say stuff or? |
| 09:58.29 | aptiva | piebot: help |
| 09:58.34 | aptiva | beh |
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| 12:27.41 | RyanF | hi |
| 12:31.26 | RyanF | damn it's dull in here |
| 12:37.30 | RyanF | PING |
| 12:43.35 | RyanF | *why is RyanF talking to himself? |
| 12:43.46 | RyanF | because there isn't anyone to talk TO!!!! |
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| 13:34.17 | asiammyself | hi |
| 13:35.31 | RyanF | hi |
| 13:36.33 | asiammyself | i do to. |
| 13:36.43 | asiammyself | but ill never get one.:'( |
| 13:36.48 | RyanF | why |
| 13:37.34 | RyanF | you live in fairfax station, aren't you like, filthy rich? :P |
| 13:37.40 | asiammyself | 1. parents will never pay for it 2. i could get a mac or 2 guitars which one sounds like a better deal? |
| 13:38.02 | RyanF | hehe |
| 13:38.11 | RyanF | why not get 1 guitar? |
| 13:38.18 | RyanF | and save the rest for later |
| 13:38.20 | asiammyself | ryanf: no my parents bought the house for 200,000 not its 4X that' |
| 13:38.35 | RyanF | wow |
| 13:39.21 | RyanF | what guitar you gonna get? |
| 13:39.39 | asiammyself | i was thinking: |
| 13:40.28 | RyanF | yeah? |
| 13:40.44 | asiammyself | getting linky:P |
| 13:41.04 | asiammyself | http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=guitar/search/detail/base_pid/513584/ |
| 13:41.19 | asiammyself | for and acoustic |
| 13:41.26 | asiammyself | and: |
| 13:41.30 | RyanF | damn that's nice |
| 13:41.47 | RyanF | :P |
| 13:42.12 | asiammyself | :P |
| 13:42.50 | asiammyself | http://www.music123.com/Switch-Innovo-III-i145982.music |
| 13:43.01 | asiammyself | for a electric. |
| 13:43.38 | asiammyself | or: |
| 13:43.40 | asiammyself | http://www.music123.com/Switch-Innovo-III-Signature-i145987.music |
| 13:43.53 | RyanF | ooooooo nice :) |
| 13:44.19 | RyanF | a dare you to get a bc rich LOL |
| 13:45.29 | RyanF | btw, do you have any effect pedals? :P |
| 13:46.44 | RyanF | (or just od/d on your amp) |
| 13:46.52 | asiammyself | ill show you: |
| 13:47.00 | asiammyself | its suckers though: |
| 13:48.09 | RyanF | k |
| 13:48.49 | asiammyself | *still looking |
| 13:50.28 | RyanF | k |
| 13:51.29 | RyanF | http://www.music123.com/Yamaha-PAC012-i92573.music <<< get mine for $129 :P |
| 13:51.58 | RyanF | ($170) |
| 13:52.12 | asiammyself | :P |
| 13:52.26 | RyanF | http://images.misupply.com/products/originalzoom/Yamaha/33949.jpg |
| 13:53.34 | RyanF | http://www.music123.com/Washburn-X8-i157440.music << ghetto guitar :P |
| 13:53.57 | asiammyself | here we go: |
| 13:54.00 | asiammyself | http://www.korg.com/gear/info.asp?a_prod_no=AX1G&category_id=6 |
| 13:54.12 | asiammyself | i was 70 bucks:P |
| 13:54.15 | RyanF | http://www.music123.com/Daisy-Rock-Heartbreaker-Short-Scale--i235097.music <<< i think this one would be good for you, joe :P |
| 13:54.22 | asiammyself | lol |
| 13:55.05 | RyanF | digital is ok, but i like analog pedals :P |
| 13:56.09 | asiammyself | ya... |
| 13:56.15 | asiammyself | too much menu surfing |
| 13:56.25 | asiammyself | sounds are crapy too. |
| 13:57.08 | RyanF | ooooooooooooooooo http://www.music123.com/Silvertone-Paul-Stanley-KISS-Apocalypse-Special-i109198.music |
| 13:57.10 | RyanF | :P |
| 13:57.49 | asiammyself | lol metal freak |
| 13:58.22 | RyanF | http://www.music123.com/Daisy-Rock-Daisy-Short-Scale--i46761.music <<< mmmhmmmm |
| 14:00.30 | asiammyself | lol |
| 14:01.04 | RyanF | :P |
| 14:01.54 | RyanF | we should get together and play guitars sometime....but you are probably much better than i am :P |
| 14:02.32 | asiammyself | :P |
| 14:02.56 | asiammyself | just learn some chords and you can play like 500 soungs with 3 chords.:P |
| 14:03.17 | RyanF | yeah :P C, A, G :P |
| 14:03.27 | RyanF | and D |
| 14:04.27 | asiammyself | lol:P |
| 14:04.44 | asiammyself | but then you can start finger picking my FAV!:P |
| 14:05.27 | RyanF | i prefer power chords :P |
| 14:05.33 | RyanF | distortion!!! |
| 14:05.42 | RyanF | SMOKE ON THE WAAAAAAAAAAAAAATER!!!! |
| 14:05.45 | RyanF | FIRE IN THE SKY! |
| 14:05.46 | RyanF | :P |
| 14:06.00 | asiammyself | i hate power chord players0.o |
| 14:06.14 | RyanF | what?! :P |
| 14:07.07 | asiammyself | i dont know it just seems to easy.:P |
| 14:07.22 | RyanF | yesssss.... easy is good :P |
| 14:08.48 | RyanF | E|------------------------------------------------------- |
| 14:08.48 | RyanF | B|-------------------------------------------------------- |
| 14:08.48 | RyanF | G|---------- 77---------- 44---------------------------------- |
| 14:08.48 | RyanF | D|---------- 77----55----- 44-- 55------------------------------- x2 |
| 14:08.48 | RyanF | A|-----------55----55------22-- 55-------------------------------- |
| 14:08.49 | RyanF | E|-----------------33-------- 33------------------------------- |
| 14:09.02 | RyanF | they should all be lined up |
| 14:09.05 | RyanF | like this: |
| 14:09.17 | RyanF | 77 |
| 14:09.21 | RyanF | 77 |
| 14:09.22 | RyanF | 55 |
| 14:09.36 | RyanF | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:09.43 | RyanF | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:09.56 | asiammyself | i see |
| 14:10.24 | asiammyself | im gonna try that:P |
| 14:10.49 | RyanF | it is awesome w/ distortion |
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| 14:12.14 | RyanF | it was kinda tricky at first |
| 14:12.39 | RyanF | because it goes like: note, note (really fast) ... then 1/2 note pause |
| 14:12.42 | RyanF | then the next 2 |
| 14:13.31 | asiammyself | i see down strokes? |
| 14:14.04 | RyanF | yes |
| 14:14.11 | RyanF | all are downstrokes |
| 14:15.08 | asiammyself | k |
| 14:16.17 | RyanF | actually, on the last pair, just do it once and let it ring out |
| 14:17.22 | asiammyself | k |
| 14:17.28 | asiammyself | cool:P |
| 14:22.33 | RyanF | the song is from American Dreams by Casting Crowns |
| 14:23.24 | RyanF | you want me to send you the song? (or i can upload it) |
| 14:25.02 | RyanF | asiammyself: ? |
| 14:26.04 | asiammyself | upload |
| 14:27.09 | RyanF | k |
| 14:29.17 | RyanF | where are songs in windows media player stored? :S |
| 14:30.57 | asiammyself | dont kno whats it called ill just look for a stream for it. |
| 14:31.16 | RyanF | k |
| 14:31.19 | RyanF | ooooo |
| 14:31.20 | RyanF | i know |
| 14:31.23 | RyanF | on website |
| 14:31.26 | RyanF | hang on |
| 14:34.04 | asiammyself | k |
| 14:34.06 | RyanF | http://www.castingcrowns.com/ |
| 14:34.10 | RyanF | in the top right |
| 14:34.20 | RyanF | scroll through the songs |
| 14:34.28 | asiammyself | k |
| 14:34.29 | RyanF | play American dream |
| 14:34.34 | asiammyself | k |
| 14:35.10 | asiammyself | nice |
| 14:35.12 | asiammyself | ill bbl |
| 14:35.15 | RyanF | ok |
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| 15:11.17 | RyanF | hey aptiva :P |
| 15:11.51 | RyanF | anymore webcams lol |
| 16:27.31 | RyanF | sooooo |
| 16:35.53 | RyanF | hi guys |
| 16:45.46 | aptiva | hehe |
| 16:45.51 | aptiva | well.. |
| 16:45.56 | RyanF | :P |
| 16:46.00 | aptiva | I just finished deleting one of my server :P |
| 16:46.17 | aptiva | odd |
| 16:46.18 | aptiva | bah |
| 16:46.19 | aptiva | off* |
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| 16:52.11 | aptiva | bleh |
| 16:52.11 | aptiva | the encoder crashed |
| 16:52.49 | aptiva | restarting.. |
| 16:54.38 | aptiva | again! |
| 16:54.46 | aptiva | java apps suck |
| 16:55.02 | RyanF | sometimes they do |
| 16:57.32 | aptiva | haven't encountered a good one yet |
| 16:57.43 | RyanF | :P they are pains in the ass |
| 16:58.33 | aptiva | ok there we go again |
| 16:58.36 | aptiva | encoding.. |
| 16:58.46 | aptiva | hope I have the right file |
| 17:04.20 | RyanF | :P |
| 17:04.28 | aptiva | 30 frames to go |
| 17:04.49 | aptiva | done |
| 17:05.02 | RyanF | :) |
| 17:05.06 | aptiva | BLEH |
| 17:05.07 | aptiva | wrong file |
| 17:05.10 | RyanF | ooo |
| 17:05.13 | aptiva | this chick was ugly |
| 17:05.14 | RyanF | ouch |
| 17:05.16 | RyanF | lol |
| 17:05.48 | aptiva | I totally manipulated them tho :P |
| 17:05.59 | aptiva | I invented some dance on the spot to hippo thong song, and they danced it |
| 17:06.00 | aptiva | :P |
| 17:06.06 | RyanF | LOL |
| 17:06.23 | RyanF | i gotta see that :P |
| 17:06.31 | aptiva | needless to say, they aren't really good dancers so it kinda sucked |
| 17:06.46 | aptiva | one more try :P |
| 17:06.57 | aptiva | want another vid with the blonde? |
| 17:07.45 | aptiva | I'd have been with her on a week long jamboree if I didn't have work |
| 17:07.49 | aptiva | can you believe that? |
| 17:07.53 | aptiva | (GAGASfaskdjasA!!!) |
| 17:08.21 | RyanF | :0 |
| 17:08.28 | aptiva | not kidding |
| 17:08.31 | RyanF | aptiva must be VERY pissed |
| 17:08.36 | aptiva | yah.. |
| 17:09.01 | aptiva | instead of hitting on the hottest girl I've seen for months, I'm raking some god damn flowerbeds 7 hours a day |
| 17:09.05 | aptiva | imagine |
| 17:09.23 | RyanF | quit the job!!! |
| 17:09.41 | aptiva | which do you want, another one with her? or a vid with a not so hot chick? |
| 17:09.49 | aptiva | RyanF: too late to register on the jamboree |
| 17:09.53 | aptiva | it starts tomorrow |
| 17:09.57 | aptiva | it's a huge one too |
| 17:10.08 | aptiva | it's every 2 years |
| 17:10.16 | aptiva | last time I went there were 11k ppl |
| 17:10.36 | aptiva | and this one is going to be bigger |
| 17:10.43 | aptiva | (and more fun from what I hear) |
| 17:11.02 | aptiva | .. |
| 17:11.05 | aptiva | coworker |
| 17:11.08 | aptiva | I have one fucking coworker |
| 17:11.12 | aptiva | and she's so stupid |
| 17:11.16 | aptiva | don't get me started |
| 17:11.23 | aptiva | anyway |
| 17:11.26 | aptiva | previous question |
| 17:11.28 | aptiva | which? |
| 17:16.41 | RyanF | bbl |
| 17:16.46 | aptiva | nm then |
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| 18:28.29 | kbrooks | ahhh |
| 18:28.34 | kbrooks | ashanks_, ping |
| 18:37.54 | kryptech | ashanks_ you there man>? |
| 18:40.37 | kbrooks | kryptech, ltns |
| 18:40.38 | kbrooks | :P |
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| 19:26.15 | ashanks | hey |
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| 19:30.19 | ashanks | hey aptiva. |
| 19:31.33 | kbrooks | aptiva! |
| 19:31.43 | kbrooks | :P |
| 19:35.25 | ashanks | hmm |
| 19:38.36 | ashanks | http://news.zdnet.co.uk/internet/0,39020369,39209572,00.htm |
| 19:38.39 | ashanks | uh oh |
| 19:42.30 | ashanks | http://aunty-spam.com/security-hole-in-voip-lets-hackers-reach-out-and-hear-someone/ |
| 19:42.33 | ashanks | haha |
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| 19:49.12 | aptiva | yay |
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| 19:49.20 | aptiva | 2 servers ! |
| 19:49.29 | aptiva | 3 more arriving tonight :D |
| 19:49.39 | aptiva | no for the never ending debian download |
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| 19:49.53 | aptiva | alex |
| 19:50.00 | aptiva | I finally got ram for my servers |
| 19:50.07 | aptiva | and the others are arriving tonight |
| 19:50.33 | ashanks | k |
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| 19:51.21 | ashanks | ashanks_: test |
| 19:51.26 | ashanks | ashanks_: test |
| 19:51.28 | ashanks | good. |
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| 19:52.07 | ashanks | power outage. |
| 19:52.15 | ashanks | apache is back up :) |
| 19:55.21 | kbrooks | lol |
| 19:56.11 | kbrooks | i want to pick a distro and stay on it, just to learn it. ideas? |
| 20:04.33 | aptiva | gentoo |
| 20:04.41 | aptiva | if you really wanna learn |
| 20:05.40 | swoolley-work | sourcemage if you want to learn better |
| 20:08.08 | aptiva | well |
| 20:08.13 | aptiva | .. |
| 20:08.17 | aptiva | gentoo > * |
| 20:08.26 | kbrooks | ok |
| 20:08.45 | kbrooks | aptiva, nope, compilation is slow on p3 here |
| 20:08.46 | aptiva | * == { all linux distros } |
| 20:08.51 | aptiva | ah |
| 20:08.56 | aptiva | debian then |
| 20:08.59 | kbrooks | uh |
| 20:09.06 | kbrooks | i already have it |
| 20:09.17 | aptiva | well stay on it and learn it then.. |
| 20:09.21 | kbrooks | no |
| 20:09.22 | aptiva | what's wrong with debian? |
| 20:09.40 | kbrooks | I prefer Ubuntu. |
| 20:09.49 | aptiva | why did you ask then? |
| 20:10.10 | kbrooks | Uh |
| 20:10.19 | aptiva | slackware is ok |
| 20:10.25 | aptiva | no package manager tho |
| 20:10.39 | kbrooks | I want a good second distro which I can productively use.. |
| 20:10.44 | kbrooks | understood? |
| 20:10.45 | aptiva | I see |
| 20:10.50 | aptiva | I see |
| 20:11.01 | kbrooks | I'd like to replace Debian |
| 20:11.13 | aptiva | ubuntu then |
| 20:11.51 | nick125 | next to gentoo, i would suggest slackware. |
| 20:12.02 | kbrooks | NO! |
| 20:12.10 | kbrooks | i already have ubuntu |
| 20:12.12 | kbrooks | on hda |
| 20:12.20 | nick125 | LFS? :P |
| 20:12.31 | kbrooks | nick125, well..... |
| 20:12.49 | kbrooks | as I said, compilation is slow on the P3 |
| 20:12.53 | aptiva | why the fuck do you need another one? |
| 20:13.01 | aptiva | sheesh |
| 20:13.05 | aptiva | linux ppl.. |
| 20:13.25 | kbrooks | nick125, what are they? |
| 20:13.29 | nick125 | (in qemu on my gentoo box ofc) |
| 20:13.35 | kbrooks | i have tried many more :P |
| 20:13.56 | kbrooks | Well, I'll try Arch Linux again. |
| 20:14.07 | kbrooks | I *loved* it. |
| 20:15.10 | nick125 | fedora core 3/4, linspire (remember), kubuntu, ubuntu, arch, slackware (then I installed it on a seperate box as a small server), debian, freebsd (doesnt count as a linux distro, but, thats not the point), centos |
| 20:15.26 | nick125 | and mandrake LE 2005 |
| 20:16.04 | kbrooks | nick125, yes, i remember linspire. i tried it with you :/ with that code |
| 20:16.18 | kbrooks | (promotional code) |
| 20:16.22 | nick125 | yeah |
| 20:16.31 | nick125 | glad I didnt pay for it :P |
| 20:16.37 | kbrooks | me too |
| 20:16.45 | kbrooks | it's a piece of crap |
| 20:16.56 | nick125 | 1) its init system is total garbage |
| 20:17.08 | kbrooks | nick125, explain that point? |
| 20:17.13 | nick125 | 2) its pretty much debian with a few crappy uis |
| 20:17.50 | nick125 | look at how it boots up, its slow |
| 20:17.51 | kbrooks | nick125, it iss debian. and there is a few unreachable repos :/ |
| 20:18.10 | nick125 | they pretty much made CNR a apt-get frontend |
| 20:18.28 | kbrooks | a expensive frontend, mind you |
| 20:18.42 | kbrooks | remember how i made you install nano? |
| 20:18.54 | kbrooks | apt-get install nano |
| 20:18.56 | kbrooks | duh |
| 20:19.01 | kbrooks | and it worked! |
| 20:19.02 | nick125 | lol |
| 20:19.04 | nick125 | brb |
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| 20:19.37 | nick125 | oh and i forgot to add suse to that list |
| 20:19.40 | nick125 | brb (for real :P) |
| 20:19.45 | kbrooks | lol |
| 20:19.50 | asiammyself | hi |
| 20:21.13 | ashanks | asiammyself: ! |
| 20:22.34 | asiammyself | trying to get your line up i see.;) |
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| 20:23.46 | ashanks | hey tektik. |
| 20:23.56 | *** mode/#tfp [+v asiammyself] by ChanServ |
| 20:25.59 | kbrooks | ashanks, ! |
| 20:26.07 | ashanks | yeah? |
| 20:26.19 | kbrooks | wassup? |
| 20:28.34 | ashanks | notmuch |
| 20:28.38 | ashanks | =) |
| 20:29.02 | ashanks | checking my FAH ranking. |
| 20:37.11 | ashanks | I'm ranked 161 ATM :) |
| 20:37.31 | ashanks | All people with fast x86 arch computers, join my team! |
| 20:39.04 | ashanks | wait. I'm on team macaddict4life. |
| 20:39.09 | ashanks | nevermind :) |
| 20:55.02 | nick125 | rofl |
| 20:55.24 | nick125 | hey, in a few years, you wont be able to tell the difference |
| 20:58.01 | ashanks | nick125: don't you have like, 4 servers? |
| 20:59.56 | nick125 | i got this workstation, the server, and like two lower end boxes that i could put slack on |
| 21:00.18 | swoolley-work | slack? |
| 21:00.26 | nick125 | one 800Mhz box, and two 400Mhz |
| 21:00.28 | nick125 | slackware |
| 21:00.46 | nick125 | since its too hard to put gentoo on a 400mhz box |
| 21:03.58 | swoolley-work | lol |
| 21:04.00 | swoolley-work | use sourcemage |
| 21:04.11 | swoolley-work | I run sourcemage on a pentium 166 w/ 32mb ram |
| 21:04.23 | aptiva | yah? |
| 21:04.33 | aptiva | most distros run on that :) |
| 21:04.42 | swoolley-work | I'm typing irc on a PPro180 w/256mb ram |
| 21:05.21 | swoolley-work | the client box is pII350 w/256mb |
| 21:05.25 | swoolley-work | runs fine |
| 21:05.32 | swoolley-work | so pathetic |
| 21:05.54 | swoolley-work | but you know, gentoo is python, doesn't do downloads and builds in parallel, breaks compiles without tree awareness, etc. |
| 21:06.05 | swoolley-work | sourcemage fixes is all those |
| 21:06.16 | swoolley-work | fucking wankers |
| 21:11.01 | ashanks | Haha |
| 21:11.09 | ashanks | </swoolleyrant> |
| 21:11.43 | ashanks | 16:06 <+swoolley-work> fucking wankers <-- tell that to the devs and you'd probably get klined. |
| 21:12.26 | swoolley-work | not my problem they think they are all so leet and all they do is sit around managing the network being wankers |
| 21:12.55 | swoolley-work | in the meantime, they're losing the feature war with another distro written in bash, how pathetic |
| 21:13.14 | ashanks | I thought sourcemage was in perl :/ |
| 21:14.26 | swoolley-work | ashanks: no, it's in pure bash |
| 21:14.46 | swoolley-work | perl is not allowed in our code |
| 21:15.02 | ashanks | And most don't sit around managing the network, they hang out in ##gentoo-pub (as in, bar) and ##trivia. ;) |
| 21:15.24 | swoolley-work | hah |
| 21:15.27 | ashanks | I've seen several times where there's people that say "aren't you supposed to be writing code?" |
| 21:15.42 | ashanks | while playing trivia or cracking jokes elsewhere. |
| 21:16.30 | swoolley-work | http://www.sourcemage.org/node/1365 |
| 21:16.35 | swoolley-work | (btw, we have a new website) |
| 21:18.46 | ashanks | you have a poll about 1.0 being ready when, on a release page for 1.12.1? |
| 21:20.12 | swoolley-work | ashanks: it's a site-wide poll |
| 21:20.18 | swoolley-work | ashanks: 1.0 is for the ISO |
| 21:20.24 | ashanks | ah |
| 21:20.41 | ashanks | I figured it was site-wide, but didn't know it was for the ISO. |
| 21:20.41 | swoolley-work | sorcery's had a lot of versions |
| 21:21.47 | ashanks | wow, apple has a higher page ranking than eBay. |
| 21:22.08 | ashanks | swoolley-work: didn't their lead guy leave gentoo for microsoft? |
| 21:22.29 | swoolley-work | ashanks: yep |
| 21:41.49 | asiammyself | bbl |
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| 22:24.02 | aptiva | what's up ? |
| 22:27.09 | kbrooks | hi |
| 22:27.18 | kbrooks | LOL |
| 22:27.21 | kbrooks | swoolley, well |
| 22:27.33 | kbrooks | is sourcemage smll to d/l? |
| 22:34.10 | aptiva | lol? |
| 22:41.48 | nick125 | kbrooks: you dont want it :P |
| 22:49.48 | kbrooks | nick125, ..... |
| 22:49.51 | swoolley-work | kbrooks: it's really small |
| 22:50.07 | swoolley-work | kbrooks: couple hundred megs |
| 22:50.13 | swoolley-work | http://jblosser.firinn.org/pub/smgl/mutt_cast_log.html |
| 22:50.30 | swoolley-work | http://linux.aliboom.com/bearstats/cast-queries.png |
| 22:50.38 | swoolley-work | some example of how easy configuration is |
| 22:51.16 | kbrooks | I really am impressed at SourceMage |
| 22:51.29 | nick125 | im not impressed with the lying |
| 22:52.05 | nick125 | also, im not impressed with a binary source-based distro |
| 22:52.05 | kbrooks | nick125, he is telling the truth |
| 22:52.19 | kbrooks | nick125, SM is not both |
| 22:52.38 | swoolley-work | nick125: binary? |
| 22:52.55 | kbrooks | SM uses bz2s so that if you want to fix your system, the system just EXTRACTS THE BZ2 |
| 22:52.56 | nick125 | I also dont believing that building a system from scratch, compiling everything only takes 45 minutes |
| 22:52.59 | kbrooks | nifty eh? |
| 22:53.15 | kbrooks | iirc |
| 22:53.21 | swoolley-work | nick125: well, on a dual opteron ... |
| 22:53.24 | aptiva | nick125: a crappy system |
| 22:53.47 | aptiva | well |
| 22:53.48 | aptiva | gn |
| 22:53.50 | kbrooks | a system like mine would take long |
| 22:54.05 | kbrooks | but thats irrevelant |
| 22:54.27 | swoolley-work | you can change the nice value it builds under |
| 22:54.32 | kbrooks | i like sourcemage |
| 22:54.35 | swoolley-work | run it in the background with low priority |
| 22:54.40 | swoolley-work | kbrooks: did you install it? |
| 22:54.51 | kbrooks | no. link to ISO |
| 22:54.51 | kbrooks | ? |
| 22:54.58 | swoolley-work | which arch? |
| 22:55.07 | kbrooks | x86 |
| 22:55.20 | swoolley-work | 686 or higher? |
| 22:55.27 | kbrooks | no |
| 22:55.30 | kbrooks | lower |
| 22:55.56 | swoolley-work | http://download.sourcemage.org/iso/testing/smgl-0.9.4-i486-2.6.11.8-nptl-test5.iso |
| 22:56.00 | swoolley-work | 486? |
| 22:56.11 | kbrooks | 486 works on all systems |
| 22:56.19 | swoolley-work | not a 386 ;) |
| 22:56.21 | kbrooks | i tried slack and it worked |
| 22:56.23 | kbrooks | i tried slack and it worked! |
| 22:56.27 | kbrooks | HELLO |
| 22:57.22 | kbrooks | swoolley-work, maybe this will work |
| 22:57.27 | kbrooks | i have yet to try |
| 22:58.02 | ashanks | the PPC one doesn't work with bluetooth keyboard :) |
| 22:58.16 | kbrooks | ashanks, i dont have PPC! |
| 22:58.23 | nick125 | also, who in the right mind would write a package manager in a scripting language that even the makers say isnt a language |
| 22:58.25 | kbrooks | swoolley-work, im on 386 |
| 22:58.53 | swoolley-work | kbrooks: ntpl doesn't work on 386, needs a 486, so you can use a different iso we make special for that |
| 22:58.53 | ashanks | nick125: bash is a not a language? that's news.. |
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| 22:58.59 | Kynlem | Yo ! |
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| 22:59.10 | kbrooks | swoolley-work, link? |
| 22:59.17 | ashanks | hey Kynlem. |
| 22:59.21 | kbrooks | erm |
| 22:59.27 | swoolley-work | http://download.sourcemage.org/iso/testing/old/smgl-0.9.4-i386-2.4.29-non-nptl-ng-test2.iso.bz2 |
| 22:59.53 | swoolley-work | kbrooks: that's an older iso, so it might be more buggy (especially new hardware), but should be good enough for you on that old hardware of yours |
| 23:00.44 | swoolley-work | also it uses 2.4.x kernel -- for non-nptl we use 2.4.x by default, but you could compile 2.6.x when you've got it installed. |
| 23:01.39 | ashanks | non-nptl? |
| 23:01.54 | kbrooks | 147 is small enough |
| 23:02.00 | swoolley-work | next-gen posix thread library |
| 23:02.04 | ashanks | ah |
| 23:02.10 | swoolley-work | instead of linuxthreads |
| 23:02.27 | kbrooks | what is linuxthreads? |
| 23:02.36 | swoolley-work | linuxthreads was the old glibc thread library |
| 23:02.43 | swoolley-work | used for 2.4.x kernel |
| 23:02.54 | swoolley-work | ntpl only works on 2.6.x or backported 2.4.x kernels like rhel. |
| 23:03.01 | kbrooks | bleargh |
| 23:03.04 | swoolley-work | since it requires kernel support |
| 23:03.24 | swoolley-work | you can't use it unless you have 486 or higher though |
| 23:03.28 | swoolley-work | it just doesn't compile |
| 23:04.07 | swoolley-work | kbrooks: what kind of memory do you have? |
| 23:04.16 | kbrooks | swoolley-work, no idea |
| 23:04.24 | swoolley-work | kbrooks: 16mb, 32mb? |
| 23:04.28 | swoolley-work | 8mb |
| 23:04.28 | kbrooks | oh |
| 23:04.38 | kbrooks | i dunno |
| 23:04.52 | kbrooks | size or segments? |
| 23:04.58 | swoolley-work | if you've got a very small amount, compiling will take _forever_ |
| 23:05.05 | swoolley-work | as it will do all compiles in swap. |
| 23:05.06 | kbrooks | 256 MB |
| 23:05.11 | swoolley-work | holy |
| 23:05.16 | swoolley-work | you have much higher than 386 then |
| 23:05.24 | swoolley-work | use the 486 cd |
| 23:05.29 | kbrooks | lol |
| 23:05.39 | swoolley-work | what exactly is your processor? |
| 23:05.50 | kbrooks | pentium 3 |
| 23:05.57 | swoolley-work | lol |
| 23:06.00 | swoolley-work | that's a 686 |
| 23:06.03 | nick125 | I think thats 686 |
| 23:06.06 | kbrooks | huh? |
| 23:06.16 | nick125 | p3 = 686 |
| 23:06.20 | kbrooks | so why did slack work? |
| 23:06.29 | nick125 | because it was on a lower platform |
| 23:06.30 | swoolley-work | 686 is backwards compat to 386 |
| 23:06.37 | nick125 | a 486 will work on a 686 cpu |
| 23:06.53 | swoolley-work | 8086 will work on a 686 |
| 23:06.56 | kbrooks | nick125, so 486 works on all but 386? |
| 23:07.02 | nick125 | a P2 is 586 IIRC |
| 23:07.03 | swoolley-work | yes |
| 23:07.04 | nick125 | kbrooks: yeah |
| 23:07.09 | swoolley-work | p2 is 686 |
| 23:07.11 | kbrooks | aah |
| 23:07.13 | swoolley-work | ppro is 686 |
| 23:07.17 | swoolley-work | pentium is 586 |
| 23:07.22 | swoolley-work | pentium-mmx is 586 |
| 23:07.31 | swoolley-work | pentiumII is ppro plus mmx |
| 23:07.40 | kbrooks | lol |
| 23:07.41 | swoolley-work | pIII added SSE extensions as well |
| 23:08.01 | kbrooks | gentoo, when installed, had those extensions (?) |
| 23:08.02 | swoolley-work | later p3 added SSE2 |
| 23:08.06 | swoolley-work | and p4 added sse3 |
| 23:08.09 | kbrooks | nick125, do you remember? |
| 23:08.20 | nick125 | kbrooks: huh? |
| 23:08.52 | swoolley-work | kbrooks: fortunately when you install all you have to do is select your processor name and we figure everything else out for you |
| 23:09.07 | swoolley-work | cat /proc/cpuinfo also tells that info as well |
| 23:09.40 | kbrooks | nick125, do you remember seeing anything before the python '>>> ' prompt that mentioned SSE? |
| 23:09.49 | kbrooks | nick125, i was on gentoo |
| 23:10.07 | kbrooks | nick125, and you were on my pc :P |
| 23:10.10 | nick125 | well, you can put SSE in the use flags, and in the cflags |
| 23:10.17 | nick125 | i dont remember lol |
| 23:10.25 | kbrooks | okay |
| 23:10.29 | kbrooks | just checking |
| 23:10.40 | swoolley-work | our system just matches it as best it can to your processor |
| 23:10.44 | swoolley-work | no need for USE variables |
| 23:11.06 | swoolley-work | no need for a lot of other gentoo cruft since it handles it perfectly often with a simple question |
| 23:11.19 | kbrooks | i know |
| 23:11.21 | swoolley-work | and if you need it across the system you just use "sorcery default" command |
| 23:11.34 | swoolley-work | which is like a more powerful form of USE varables |
| 23:11.36 | swoolley-work | variables |
| 23:11.48 | kbrooks | is sorcery that magic? |
| 23:11.56 | swoolley-work | it's magical, yes |
| 23:12.18 | swoolley-work | we innovate instead of talk about how l33t we are |
| 23:12.24 | swoolley-work | like the gentoo newbs |
| 23:12.26 | kbrooks | good |
| 23:12.35 | kbrooks | gentoo sux |
| 23:12.40 | swoolley-work | agreed |
| 23:12.40 | nick125 | what about the time you spend lying? |
| 23:12.47 | kbrooks | nick125, who? |
| 23:12.51 | swoolley-work | nick125: you have nothing to stand on |
| 23:13.11 | swoolley-work | he has something against witchcraft |
| 23:13.13 | swoolley-work | just ignore him |
| 23:13.18 | nick125 | uh? fuck you |
| 23:13.19 | kbrooks | lol |
| 23:13.30 | kbrooks | ignore as in /ignore? nope |
| 23:13.41 | kbrooks | i know him :/ |
| 23:13.50 | nick125 | go ahead, ignore me |
| 23:13.52 | *** part/#tfp nick125 (~nick125@nick125.user) |
| 23:13.53 | kbrooks | no |
| 23:15.35 | swoolley-work | lol |
| 23:15.43 | swoolley-work | he really got pissed at that last joke |
| 23:16.28 | kbrooks | obviously |
| 23:16.32 | swoolley-work | just ignore him is apparently worse than accusing me of lying |
| 23:19.03 | kbrooks | yes |
| 23:21.18 | kbrooks | <nick125> he goes and says how sourcemage is soo much faster...yet he forgot to menchion that he is on a dual CPU machine, I was installing on a 2.6ghz celeron |
| 23:21.19 | kbrooks | <nick125> also, he 'magically' lost the logs of where he installed sourcemage in 45 minutes from source |
| 23:21.26 | kbrooks | lol |
| 23:21.44 | swoolley-work | lol, I was building a chroot environment |
| 23:21.54 | kbrooks | <nick125> yeah, same thing I said |
| 23:21.54 | kbrooks | <kbrooks> so..... |
| 23:21.54 | kbrooks | <kbrooks> 'prove it'? |
| 23:21.54 | kbrooks | <kbrooks> essentialy |
| 23:21.54 | kbrooks | <nick125> yeah |
| 23:21.56 | swoolley-work | and a wiped it to test it again, except with more spells than a default |
| 23:22.03 | kbrooks | swoolley-work, ah |
| 23:22.11 | swoolley-work | s/and a/and I/ |
| 23:22.39 | swoolley-work | just a sec, let me compile basesystem again |
| 23:24.50 | kbrooks | <nick125> their old site said 'Linux distribution so advance, it is magical' or something like that |
| 23:28.16 | swoolley-work | it's "linux so advanced, it may as well be magic" |
| 23:29.00 | swoolley-work | in any case, I'm compiling a default install right now. |
| 23:29.10 | swoolley-work | when I get home from work it should be done |
| 23:29.38 | swoolley-work | I'll put the entire tarball up online if he wants |
| 23:29.46 | kbrooks | ok |
| 23:29.58 | kbrooks | show him the logs |
| 23:30.02 | swoolley-work | with logs and timestamps included |
| 23:34.59 | Kynlem | Good night all |
| 23:35.11 | swoolley-work | night Kynlem |
| 23:35.31 | swoolley-work | kbrooks: I'm also running the "time" command so we can see how much is user/system/wallclock time |
| 23:37.38 | swoolley-work | and for good measure, it's a pure 64-bit system |
| 23:39.00 | swoolley-work | remember, I don't have to compile c++ |
| 23:39.05 | swoolley-work | I can even build python without c++ |
| 23:39.14 | swoolley-work | but I don't need python -- the package manager is written in bash |
| 23:39.45 | kbrooks | heh |
| 23:39.53 | kbrooks | 23% |
| 23:40.07 | swoolley-work | what's 23%? |
| 23:40.30 | kbrooks | d/l percentage |
| 23:40.58 | swoolley-work | ahh |
| 23:41.10 | swoolley-work | it builds about as fast as it downloads over a modem ;) |
| 23:42.18 | ashanks | man. |
| 23:42.27 | ashanks | I can't go outside. |
| 23:42.46 | kbrooks | lol |
| 23:42.49 | kbrooks | why? |
| 23:43.25 | ashanks | there's "50 cents" playing uber-loud, I went out there to shut it off, my sister and her friend were playing it, and her friend started chasing me and smacking me! :/ |
| 23:44.46 | kbrooks | LOL |
| 23:50.17 | ashanks | WTF |
| 23:50.30 | ashanks | she just took 5$ off the table and ate it :| |
| 23:57.10 | kbrooks | ew |
| 23:57.31 | kbrooks | swoolley-work, its downloading at 36% atm |
| 23:58.40 | swoolley-work | kbrooks: great |
| 23:59.31 | kbrooks | :) |
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