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| 19:09.46 | jamey | hi |
| 19:10.04 | nelson | hi. |
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| 19:11.51 | jamey | nelson is seeing a problem with ipaq not going to sleep with hh30 |
| 19:12.17 | jamey | try apm -s ? |
| 19:12.38 | jamey | should move hh36 into 0.7.2 |
| 19:12.40 | nelson | pb_ has a new kernel, -hh36 |
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| 19:15.10 | TimRiker | CELF sessions in LV were interesting. |
| 19:15.27 | TimRiker | bootup time group is doing some interesting things. |
| 19:15.40 | nelson | jg will be at LinuxWorld, as will nelson |
| 19:15.50 | TimRiker | planning to rewrite all the startup scripts to run in parallel |
| 19:16.36 | TimRiker | changes planned to use bb init and bb shells (ash mostly) |
| 19:16.52 | nelson | TimRiker: interesting. For handhelds or general use? |
| 19:17.52 | nelson | pb_ reports that mallum has a new matchbox, that gpe has a new developer. |
| 19:18.07 | nelson | pb_ says that said developer is patching like crazy. |
| 19:18.10 | jamey | TimRiker: that is cool |
| 19:18.20 | jamey | TimRiker: any plans for CELF to go to 2.6 kernel? |
| 19:18.21 | nelson | pb_ gpe now has drop shadows. |
| 19:19.45 | TimRiker | nelson: CELF = consumer electronincs linux forum. http://celinuxforum.org/ |
| 19:20.03 | nelson | TimRiker: Hahaha! I was just googling for it. |
| 19:20.18 | TimRiker | jamey: yes. they are on 2.4.20 mv kernel now, planning to move to 2.6.x asap |
| 19:20.27 | Harlekin | jamey: no big updates, new mailer ready |
| 19:20.36 | Harlekin | jamey: new image viewer soon |
| 19:20.37 | nelson | pb_ reports that 5400 working better than 3900 at this point. |
| 19:20.51 | nelson | .. that nobody is working on fingerprint reader |
| 19:21.39 | nelson | .. that the mmc slot driver isn't quite working right yet. It's reading the id. |
| 19:21.57 | TimRiker | much of the CELF work is on TI OMAP Innovator boards. Don't know if I can still get them, but I'll have similar hardware soon. email me with what you'd like it for if you'd like one. |
| 19:21.59 | nelson | no news on 19xx or 22xx. |
| 19:23.08 | TimRiker | any talk here of uclibc? or still trying to maintain debian compat? |
| 19:23.42 | jamey | jamey will repost list of packages that need source field filled in |
| 19:24.06 | jamey | TimRiker: we used uclibc for bootldr :) |
| 19:24.24 | nelson | TimRiker: debian compat, for better or worse. |
| 19:24.42 | nelson | TimRiker: do you have any numbers for what it would save us? |
| 19:26.59 | Harlekin | nelson: quite a lot, also in mem footprint |
| 19:27.36 | nelson | Harlekin: I would guess "quite a lot" also, but before we push people into having to use uclibc, I'd want numbers to wave at them. |
| 19:27.43 | nelson | Harlekin: call it a selling point if you wish. |
| 19:27.52 | Harlekin | the busybox guy hat numbers afair |
| 19:28.15 | jamey | it reduces by 1MB or so |
| 19:28.23 | Harlekin | disk space |
| 19:28.27 | nelson | Oh, really???? |
| 19:28.30 | Harlekin | and 30 % memory footprint afair |
| 19:28.37 | jamey | yes |
| 19:28.43 | nelson | That's nearly 10% smaller. |
| 19:28.44 | jamey | that sounds about right |
| 19:28.58 | Harlekin | nelson: 1 mb for libc package |
| 19:29.06 | Harlekin | apps also a bit smaller |
| 19:34.21 | nelson | Hurdle #1 is "compiling from source". |
| 19:34.43 | nelson | Once we pass that hurdle, then switching to uclibc suddenly becomes much more possible. |
| 19:36.01 | TimRiker | with c++, theads and locales enabled? |
| 19:36.05 | TimRiker | er threads? |
| 19:36.38 | TimRiker | should produce striped libs and locales that are about 4M smaller (uncompressed) |
| 19:37.04 | Harlekin | counted without locales |
| 19:37.22 | TimRiker | are locales in the current images? |
| 19:42.47 | jamey | yes, and in the feeds |
| 19:44.21 | TimRiker | so that's a lot of savings... ;-) |
| 19:44.54 | jamey | we only install one or two locales by default -- others on demand |
| 19:44.56 | jamey | but still |
| 19:45.08 | jamey | C++ support is complete with uclibc? |
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| 19:47.06 | TimRiker | yes. |
| 19:47.57 | TimRiker | c++ libs are a bit larger than the glibc versions. more work is needed there. but the savings on uclibc is much larger than the loss with the uclibc c++ libs. |
| 19:48.05 | TimRiker | so overall it's still a big win. |
| 19:52.32 | nelson | I have a better solution to that: don't include any C++ programs. :-) |
| 19:52.43 | nelson | Think of the savings! |
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