| 00:00.39 | purple_cow | in which case i'll be disappointed, because I was pretty excited about a class on API design :( |
| 00:02.07 | scanlime | blah |
| 00:02.09 | scanlime | BSOD |
| 00:02.17 | scanlime | BUGCODE_USB_DRIVER.. at least it's direct |
| 00:05.07 | purple_cow | http://accordionguy.blogware.com/blog/_archives/2005/11/28/1425558.html |
| 00:05.43 | scanlime | http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/gnome/sysprof <-- ooh.. experimental code for looking up kernel symbols |
| 00:17.57 | scanlime | damn, I love sysprof |
| 00:18.46 | scanlime | I have a great test case to illustrate this performance patch I'm working on |
| 00:19.02 | scanlime | without my patch, vmware is pegged at 100% CPU and this code is using nearly all of it |
| 00:19.29 | scanlime | with my patch, vmware uses maybe 1% CPU under the exact same situation, and you have to dig quite deep to find USB code on the profile |
| 00:19.58 | *** join/#tacobeam darth_mall (n=evan@zero.navi.cx) |
| 00:20.06 | file[laptop] | scanlime: sweet |
| 00:21.35 | darth_mall | naughty ctrlproxy |
| 00:22.50 | purple_cow | it *is* pretty naughty |
| 00:25.37 | scanlime | she's calling, not mark? |
| 00:25.42 | ChipX86 | she usually does |
| 00:26.05 | purple_cow | no, this is different |
| 00:26.06 | purple_cow | maybe |
| 00:26.39 | purple_cow | i emailed her a question about development methodologies, and she's going to call because it wasn't something that could easily be writted down |
| 00:26.50 | ChipX86 | ah |
| 00:26.53 | ChipX86 | what question? |
| 00:27.04 | purple_cow | what's the metholodogy? :) |
| 00:27.26 | purple_cow | i could've asked you guys, but i wanted an opportunity to interact with my potential manager |
| 00:27.29 | ChipX86 | metholodogy is an awesome word |
| 00:27.32 | purple_cow | since she was out on friday |
| 00:27.39 | ChipX86 | nod |
| 00:27.56 | scanlime | it really depends on the team, so asking me wouldn't help :) |
| 00:28.01 | purple_cow | hmm, metholodogy |
| 00:28.07 | purple_cow | i knew something looked weird about that |
| 00:28.09 | ChipX86 | numist: imagine that |
| 00:28.20 | numist | amazing |
| 00:28.25 | ChipX86 | I dunno though, think I'm going to be leaving vmware soon |
| 00:28.27 | purple_cow | numist: if i wasn't seriously considering it, i wouldn't have sent in my resume :P |
| 00:28.32 | purple_cow | ChipX86: oh? |
| 00:28.48 | ChipX86 | it's a nice place and all, but there's a billionaire who wants to share his wealth with me, and I just need to front a bit of money |
| 00:29.00 | purple_cow | that's a fantastic opportunity |
| 00:29.02 | ChipX86 | it is |
| 00:29.05 | ChipX86 | he e-mailed me personally |
| 00:29.06 | scanlime | go for it |
| 00:29.08 | file[laptop] | can we all get in on that? |
| 00:29.29 | scanlime | bleh. problem with my 99-billion-x speedup patch: it's kinda long... |
| 00:29.50 | *** join/#tacobeam JayPee_ (n=preed@orbital.sigkill.com) |
| 00:29.57 | ChipX86 | JayPee! |
| 00:30.00 | scanlime | heyas JayPee_! |
| 00:30.03 | numist | I love you guys |
| 00:30.10 | file[laptop] | JayPee! |
| 00:30.17 | numist | but only if it gets me a slice of those billions |
| 00:34.29 | purple_cow | goddamnit |
| 00:34.42 | purple_cow | i am so freaking tired of seeing irc loonies call proxies "bnc"s |
| 00:35.07 | darth_mall | bnc? |
| 00:35.35 | CIA-4 | smrt: 03jupiter * r612 10docs/design/design.tex: Add some more text on menu files. I'm not sure I'm really happy with this right now, but at least it's there |
| 00:35.37 | scanlime | purple_cow: here here! |
| 00:35.41 | purple_cow | BouNCer |
| 00:35.45 | darth_mall | booo |
| 00:35.53 | darth_mall | worst video game ever |
| 00:36.10 | purple_cow | ...video game? |
| 00:36.33 | darth_mall | yep |
| 00:36.35 | darth_mall | Bouncer |
| 00:36.41 | darth_mall | even worse than FFX |
| 00:36.49 | purple_cow | never played it |
| 00:36.56 | darth_mall | first PS2 game I ever played |
| 00:37.56 | darth_mall | hmm... did Daniel write that paragraph immediately following the common intro? |
| 00:38.46 | purple_cow | darth_mall: mostly, i think |
| 00:39.22 | CIA-4 | smrt: 03evan * r613 10docs/design/design.tex: Content *is* discussed, not content *are* discussed. |
| 00:39.32 | darth_mall | he certainly has a fear of complex sentences |
| 00:39.36 | purple_cow | heh |
| 00:39.44 | purple_cow | that's actually a good thing, though |
| 00:39.54 | darth_mall | not entirely |
| 00:40.00 | purple_cow | hah, 'hideing' |
| 00:40.37 | darth_mall | it is certainly unwise to make 15 line sentences, but having 20 very short sentence frequently doesn't flow well |
| 00:40.40 | CIA-4 | smrt: 03jupiter * r614 10docs/design/design.tex: spelleing |
| 00:45.39 | CIA-4 | smrt: 03evan * r615 10docs/design/design.tex: |
| 00:45.39 | CIA-4 | smrt: Eliminating a little passive voice because it bothers me stylistically, insert |
| 00:45.39 | CIA-4 | smrt: some commas that I'm pretty sure need to be there. |
| 00:45.45 | purple_cow | oh no! lurgy's had a møøse attack |
| 00:47.05 | lurgy | eek! |
| 00:47.06 | lurgy | yeah |
| 00:47.08 | lurgy | it's pretty scary |
| 00:47.20 | darth_mall | hmm... should ``avi'' and ``mpeg'' be capitalised? |
| 00:47.48 | numist | man I'm having such a noob day |
| 00:48.06 | numist | the reason dovecot wasnt working was because I had no password, all authentication to that machine is done via ssh-key |
| 00:48.36 | CIA-4 | smrt: 03evan * r616 10docs/design/design.tex: Spelling is fun |
| 00:50.15 | ChipX86 | woot |
| 00:50.17 | ChipX86 | this script rocks |
| 00:50.21 | purple_cow | darth_mall: probably |
| 00:50.28 | file[laptop] | numist: you're silly |
| 00:50.34 | ChipX86 | it takes these two files containing utility functions that we want to eventually nuke, and it looks through the codebase to see if anything uses them :) |
| 00:53.54 | scanlime | yay, super-extra-spiffy-speedup patch sent for review |
| 00:53.56 | scanlime | time for more coffee :P |
| 00:54.03 | numist | ugh |
| 00:54.09 | numist | I want to disappear today |
| 00:55.10 | ChipX86 | why? |
| 00:55.49 | numist | mistake after mistake after mistake |
| 00:56.06 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 00:56.25 | numist | and to top it off, I just remembered I had a .forward file on the other machine I just started using fetchmail on, so I have no idea where the last hour's worth of messages went, if theyre there, and who got bounces and is pissed at me |
| 00:56.31 | numist | *sigh* |
| 00:56.33 | CIA-4 | smrt: 03evan * r617 10docs/design/design.tex: |
| 00:56.33 | CIA-4 | smrt: Tried some rephrasing of the first paragraph about the cityscape. Hopefully the |
| 00:56.33 | CIA-4 | smrt: meaning was maintained. This could use some careful scrutiny. |
| 00:56.52 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 00:57.04 | numist | and bloody RegisterServiceCtrlHandler is giving me crap |
| 00:57.05 | numist | rawr |
| 00:59.29 | darth_mall | dammit |
| 00:59.30 | dooky | mmm windows |
| 01:00.01 | darth_mall | this freaking lab was due last wed. not this wed. |
| 01:00.02 | darth_mall | oh well, guess I don't have to stress about getting it done =\ |
| 01:01.03 | numist | dooky: I just did the .forward thing again on hogwarts, but didnt realise it until.. well yeah.. repeat of last time :( |
| 01:01.10 | numist | dooky: steve has threatened violence |
| 01:01.25 | dooky | numist: http://www.cbc.ca/ |
| 01:01.48 | dooky | headline: "MPs topple Liberal government, trigger election" |
| 01:01.55 | numist | wow, gotta love the parliament |
| 01:02.54 | numist | however, its proof that a 6 party system > 2 party system |
| 01:03.15 | numist | since if the other 5 parties agree on something, they can topple the one thats holding power |
| 01:03.23 | dooky | yup |
| 01:04.09 | numist | Last week, Opposition leader Stephen Harper officially tabled the motion of no-confidence which read: "That this House has lost confidence in the government." |
| 01:04.14 | numist | why can't we do that here :( |
| 01:04.28 | numist | the us govt would do well to be dissolved and restarted with fresh bodies |
| 01:04.36 | dooky | yeah |
| 01:04.49 | dooky | s/and restarted with fresh bodies// |
| 01:05.10 | numist | well, we need some sort of organization.. I certainly dont trust the public to come up with something better |
| 01:05.43 | dooky | numist: I know |
| 01:05.57 | dooky | I think california, washington, and oregon should secede |
| 01:06.06 | dooky | we've got quite the military power here in good 'ol CA |
| 01:06.06 | numist | why bother with wash and oregon? |
| 01:06.11 | numist | we do? |
| 01:06.16 | dooky | numist: because they'd feel left out... |
| 01:06.19 | numist | what with our strictest weapons laws in the nation |
| 01:06.22 | dooky | numist: also, beautiful coastline |
| 01:06.24 | numist | california does not an army make |
| 01:06.36 | dooky | numist: dude...camp pendleton houses a marine division |
| 01:06.37 | dooky | lol |
| 01:06.39 | numist | texas makes a force to be reckoned with, when the cards come down |
| 01:06.43 | dooky | miramar |
| 01:06.54 | dooky | north island |
| 01:07.02 | dooky | all the aircraft carriers |
| 01:07.16 | numist | all owned by... the us government |
| 01:07.23 | numist | think theyll just join the secession? |
| 01:07.26 | numist | doubt it |
| 01:07.26 | dooky | well thats the point of seceding |
| 01:07.28 | dooky | yeah! lol |
| 01:07.44 | numist | their alliance is to CINC, not to their station-state |
| 01:10.06 | CIA-4 | smrt: 03evan * r618 10docs/design/design.tex: |
| 01:10.06 | CIA-4 | smrt: I'm not sure if I actually did any better on this paragraph marked as sucky. It |
| 01:10.06 | CIA-4 | smrt: is indeed a difficult paragraph, and I may have just pushed words around for no |
| 01:10.06 | CIA-4 | smrt: reason. |
| 01:12.55 | CIA-4 | smrt: 03evan * r619 10docs/design/design.tex: |
| 01:12.55 | CIA-4 | smrt: Add a sentence about unknown file types that I'm pretty sure is correct, though |
| 01:12.55 | CIA-4 | smrt: someone who knows better should verify it. Also, users don't "movie" through the |
| 01:12.55 | CIA-4 | smrt: directory, they "move". ^^ |
| 01:13.05 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 01:13.20 | ChipX86 | they should movie through :( |
| 01:13.25 | ChipX86 | going from file to file should require a fight scene |
| 01:13.49 | darth_mall | purple_cow: are you looking over any of these changes to see if they're actually improvements? ^^ |
| 01:14.32 | purple_cow | nope |
| 01:15.08 | purple_cow | well, jocelyn seems nice enough |
| 01:15.16 | ChipX86 | she is |
| 01:15.44 | CIA-4 | smrt: 03evan * r620 10docs/design/design.tex: "Menus Configuration" sounds odd to me for some reason... |
| 01:15.44 | darth_mall | uhoh... purple_cow was on the fone |
| 01:16.27 | numist | what's a phone? |
| 01:16.43 | darth_mall | wow... short document |
| 01:16.46 | purple_cow | it's like voip, but without the oip |
| 01:17.11 | file[laptop] | and thus is much more reliable |
| 01:17.25 | purple_cow | right |
| 01:17.26 | CIA-4 | smrt: 03evan * r621 10docs/design/design.tex: Trailing whitespace. I'm a nazi, what can I say? |
| 01:17.34 | numist | sweet |
| 01:17.36 | numist | where do I get one |
| 01:18.00 | darth_mall | my tummy is eeeeeeeempty |
| 01:18.02 | purple_cow | darth_mall: there's a *lot* left to write |
| 01:18.04 | scanlime | ooh |
| 01:18.12 | darth_mall | it's tempting to walk to Silvermine... |
| 01:18.24 | scanlime | ChipX86: the rc1 browser VM has a eerily cool boot thingy |
| 01:18.43 | ChipX86 | how so? |
| 01:18.54 | scanlime | glowy orange ubuntu logo on a black background |
| 01:19.28 | ChipX86 | that's part of Breezy |
| 01:19.33 | CIA-4 | smrt: 03evan * r622 10docs/design/design.tex: |
| 01:19.33 | CIA-4 | smrt: Applications Configuration also sounded weird to me. Might get my head chewed |
| 01:19.33 | CIA-4 | smrt: for this, but these things happen... |
| 01:19.35 | scanlime | nod |
| 01:19.39 | ChipX86 | I get that on my laptop too |
| 01:20.05 | ChipX86 | it's very nice and clean |
| 01:20.07 | *** join/#tacobeam orchid_ (n=bzgirl@unaffiliated/orchid) |
| 01:20.12 | darth_mall | and that makes me happy |
| 01:20.17 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 01:20.52 | scanlime | hmm, glowy-orange seems to be a trend in breezy |
| 01:21.17 | ChipX86 | they need to fix the 404 on that screenshot... |
| 01:21.48 | purple_cow | darth_mall: maybe it might be worth your time to start on section 4 rather than tightening up the existing text ;) |
| 01:22.13 | darth_mall | purple_cow: will do, I was just reading the doc to see what was there. making changes only because I can't help myself |
| 01:22.20 | purple_cow | hehe, ok |
| 01:22.45 | darth_mall | I just love the first sentence in the app config section |
| 01:22.46 | ChipX86 | this day is going by too quickly |
| 01:22.52 | darth_mall | it flows ever so nicely |
| 01:23.07 | darth_mall | hmm... I need to go get some food or I'm going to be very uncomfortable during the movie |
| 01:23.28 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 01:23.33 | purple_cow | i should maybe eat more |
| 01:23.56 | darth_mall | would you like me to wait here for you? |
| 01:24.00 | darth_mall | I'm in the library in the math building |
| 01:24.31 | purple_cow | i was going to drive up to campus, so probably not... |
| 01:24.42 | darth_mall | oh, so you'll drive to silvermine then? |
| 01:25.10 | purple_cow | 436 is free after 5, right? |
| 01:25.18 | darth_mall | dunno which one that is |
| 01:25.33 | purple_cow | that's the set of lots east of the ecenter |
| 01:25.39 | darth_mall | yeah |
| 01:25.44 | darth_mall | so is metered parking |
| 01:25.49 | darth_mall | anyway, I'm off |
| 01:25.54 | darth_mall | see you at some point later this evening |
| 01:25.58 | scanlime | ChipX86: USB works in rc1, yay :) |
| 01:26.07 | ChipX86 | :D |
| 01:26.30 | ChipX86 | oh man, this change makes me bubbly |
| 01:29.54 | ChipX86 | 23 deprecated functions removed, 24 functions made internal |
| 01:33.24 | scanlime | <numist@localhost>: |
| 01:33.26 | scanlime | Sorry, I couldn't find any host named localhost. (#5.1.2) |
| 01:33.32 | scanlime | numist: :P |
| 01:33.35 | numist | :( |
| 01:33.45 | numist | is it sending that out too now |
| 01:33.54 | numist | ugh, Im fucking done with this |
| 01:34.32 | scanlime | wow... I'm again amazed at how usable this VM is |
| 01:34.48 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 01:34.52 | scanlime | I just used their graphical package manager to install a PDF viewer, then I could immediately double-click on PDFs from my USB driver to view them |
| 01:35.34 | scanlime | hmmm |
| 01:35.40 | scanlime | I rather like this new file browser |
| 01:35.49 | scanlime | spatial was a nice idea, but I just got tired of closing all those windows |
| 01:36.07 | ChipX86 | I like spatial + lists, except it has bugs and doesn't remember which dirs are opened |
| 01:36.28 | scanlime | hm, totem doesn't like me |
| 01:37.33 | scanlime | hmm, maybe it didn't install MP3 support by default |
| 01:40.02 | ChipX86 | nah |
| 01:40.05 | ChipX86 | it's a .so now |
| 01:40.14 | ChipX86 | vmware has become a gaim plugin |
| 01:40.23 | scanlime | can it blog? |
| 01:40.29 | ChipX86 | you can run a blogger in the vm |
| 01:40.44 | scanlime | I won't be happy until the New VM wizard can blog |
| 01:40.56 | ChipX86 | :( |
| 01:41.09 | ChipX86 | damn! |
| 01:42.07 | ChipX86 | oh oops |
| 01:42.13 | ChipX86 | nope stupid mistake |
| 01:44.12 | ChipX86 | I love when people file bugs with painfully obvious "ideas" they came up with |
| 01:44.26 | ChipX86 | "Hey! It'd be nice if the UI displayed these errors instead of the VMX! What does everyone think?!" |
| 01:44.47 | scanlime | ChipX86: heh. I love how many people tell me about this great idea they had.. that CIA maybe shouldn't flood off |
| 01:44.53 | ChipX86 | hah |
| 01:45.38 | numist | wow what a great idea |
| 01:45.46 | numist | I'm surprised no one else has thought of that before |
| 01:45.49 | numist | hey scanlime... |
| 01:46.41 | scanlime | oh, neat |
| 01:46.59 | scanlime | chris included a screenshot of my analyzer in the email he just sent to all of platform-group |
| 01:47.42 | scanlime | doesn't really show off a lot of its features, but neat nonetheless |
| 01:48.01 | scanlime | oh, cool.. when you install programs in Ubuntu, it tells you which menu to find them under |
| 01:48.04 | scanlime | best feature ever |
| 01:48.13 | *** join/#tacobeam lalo (n=lalo@plone/lalo) |
| 01:48.42 | scanlime | but bah.. none of the media players seem to have an MP3 plugin |
| 01:51.55 | *** join/#tacobeam laodamas (n=cehoward@c-67-166-53-18.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 02:36.13 | scanlime | aha |
| 02:53.12 | lalo | yay heat |
| 02:53.16 | lalo | the heat is on |
| 03:06.18 | *** join/#tacobeam jbot (i=ibot@pdpc/supporter/active/TimRiker/bot/apt) |
| 03:06.18 | *** topic/#tacobeam is Happy anniversary, ChipX86 and spooklight! |
| 03:10.52 | scanlime | hmm |
| 03:15.53 | ChipX86 | can anyone connect to chipx86.com? |
| 03:16.07 | numist | taking its time... |
| 03:16.10 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 03:16.11 | numist | yep, works here |
| 03:16.13 | ChipX86 | huh |
| 03:16.17 | ChipX86 | I can't, but it wroks everywhere else |
| 03:16.34 | ChipX86 | err |
| 03:16.36 | numist | my dns had expired though |
| 03:16.37 | ChipX86 | everything else works |
| 03:16.45 | numist | if that helps at all |
| 03:17.45 | ChipX86 | I cannot connect |
| 03:17.53 | ChipX86 | osiris.chipx86.com and every other site hosted works fine |
| 03:18.58 | ChipX86 | huh, links works |
| 03:19.10 | ChipX86 | hah. |
| 03:34.28 | scanlime | hmm.. not bad |
| 03:34.44 | scanlime | kinda ended up with a strange tomato masala chicken noodle dish |
| 03:37.23 | ChipX86 | ooh, first episode of The Dead Zone |
| 03:41.50 | ChipX86 | can someone e-mail chipx86@gnupdate.org with a test message? |
| 03:54.02 | laodamas | in sub zero temperatures :φ |
| 04:13.21 | ChipX86 | woah |
| 04:13.35 | ChipX86 | I restart hotsanic and the swap goes from almost 40MB to 18MB |
| 04:13.46 | ChipX86 | scanlime: have you seen hotsanic use a ton of memory like this? |
| 04:14.06 | ChipX86 | hmm at least I think it was hotsanic doing that |
| 04:21.30 | ChipX86 | eep |
| 04:21.36 | ChipX86 | not getting any of my @gnupdate.org e-mail |
| 04:21.44 | ChipX86 | I'm probably not on any listservs anymore |
| 04:34.30 | scanlime | wow, wikipedia has an impressive cluster behind it |
| 04:35.30 | scanlime | http://ganglia.wikimedia.org/small/?r=month&s=descending&c= |
| 04:45.17 | scanlime | I might even be able to base it on trac... |
| 04:53.17 | ChipX86 | I *HATE* e-mail |
| 04:54.39 | purple_cow | that was awesome :D |
| 04:59.27 | lurgy | yep :) |
| 05:00.43 | *** join/#tacobeam darth_mall (n=evan@zero.navi.cx) |
| 05:03.01 | laodamas | yay home |
| 05:03.04 | laodamas | and heat |
| 05:03.16 | laodamas | and frozen hair |
| 05:05.05 | scanlime | purple_cow: what'd you see? |
| 05:05.12 | darth_mall | 2001 |
| 05:05.16 | darth_mall | new 35mm print |
| 05:05.32 | scanlime | oooh |
| 05:06.59 | CIA-4 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9693 10xchat-gnome/ (3 files in 3 dirs): choose an official capitalization, why not |
| 05:07.50 | purple_cow | darth_mall: you have to take it next semester! |
| 05:07.59 | darth_mall | ugh, that would be awful |
| 05:08.24 | darth_mall | so... labs are 20% of the grade and there are (I think) 10 labs, which makes each lab 2% of the my total grade, or am I doing my math wrong again |
| 05:11.14 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 05:11.26 | purple_cow | this might end up being a really weird spring semester if i play it right |
| 05:11.39 | darth_mall | full of classes with hot young ladies? |
| 05:12.06 | purple_cow | senior project, clayton's "educational technology house" (basically building software for elementary schools) and maybe 5-6 hours of independent study |
| 05:12.17 | purple_cow | so not really any classes at all, yet still a full-time student |
| 05:12.30 | darth_mall | yum |
| 05:12.57 | darth_mall | independent study is a good idea, but I really wanna take Martin's Natural Language Processing class |
| 05:13.08 | darth_mall | ow |
| 05:14.24 | ChipX86 | DAMNIT |
| 05:14.42 | ChipX86 | something's going crazy and eating all the ram on my linode again |
| 05:14.45 | ChipX86 | services are all dying |
| 05:16.44 | ChipX86 | Nov 28 20:35:38 osiris kernel: __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=0xf0/0) |
| 05:16.51 | darth_mall | hmm... IIRC there are still two UML diagrams I wanted to do for this doc |
| 05:17.05 | ChipX86 | no indication as to what caused it |
| 05:18.12 | ChipX86 | it's got to be apache |
| 05:18.17 | ChipX86 | a ton of apache processes that refused to de |
| 05:18.19 | ChipX86 | er, die |
| 05:25.34 | scanlime | I've seen that happen on zero |
| 05:25.37 | scanlime | not sure yet why |
| 05:25.45 | scanlime | doesn't happen to flapjack though.. which is kinda odd |
| 05:26.06 | ChipX86 | this is really annoying |
| 05:26.32 | purple_cow | probably just generaluml suckiness |
| 05:26.41 | ChipX86 | but it's a new problem here |
| 05:26.43 | ChipX86 | and it's really bad |
| 05:27.38 | ChipX86 | apache 17940 12.7 87.4 162604 136020 ? R 21:25 0:12 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start -D SSL -D DAV -D SVN -D PHP4 |
| 05:27.45 | scanlime | purple_cow: I ended up making the weirdest ad-hoc pseudo-indian noodle dish for dinner |
| 05:27.49 | scanlime | it was actually quite tasty |
| 05:27.53 | scanlime | but I'm not sure I could reproduce it |
| 05:27.56 | ChipX86 | THAT is a problem |
| 05:30.35 | scanlime | yep, apache isn't using nearly enough memory |
| 05:37.19 | ChipX86 | what apache settings are you using for {min,max}SpareServers, etc? |
| 05:38.20 | purple_cow | scanlime: in general, ad-hoc pseudo-indian dishes are easy if you just throw in enough garam masala and nutmeg :) |
| 05:38.25 | purple_cow | and/or curry powder |
| 05:39.08 | scanlime | hmm, didn't have any nutmeg |
| 05:39.22 | scanlime | used a lot of garam masala, a little ginger, and a little curry powder |
| 05:39.28 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 05:39.32 | purple_cow | yep, that works quite well |
| 05:39.38 | scanlime | I also got the strange idea (probably from a chicken tikka masala recipe) to add ketchup |
| 05:39.46 | scanlime | that ended up working nicely |
| 05:39.54 | purple_cow | hehe, chicken tikka masala |
| 05:40.04 | scanlime | didn't have any chile paste, but I did have some good hot sauce (same kind Noodles & Co uses) for spicyness |
| 05:40.06 | purple_cow | it's funny, because it's a dish that was invented in england |
| 05:40.24 | scanlime | the ketchup kinda gives it away ;) |
| 05:40.33 | purple_cow | eh, i dunno |
| 05:40.46 | scanlime | also, I need to get a splatter screen large enough for my big skillet.. to avoid making a huge mess when I cook with mustard seeds |
| 05:40.54 | purple_cow | according to kaga-san, the best dish ever made by an iron chef had ketchup in it |
| 05:41.00 | scanlime | hehe |
| 05:41.30 | scanlime | ChipX86: I think all of zero's apache settings are pretty much default.. flapjack is tuned up the wazoo though |
| 05:41.43 | purple_cow | yay wazoo |
| 05:41.55 | ChipX86 | fucking e-mail system |
| 05:43.46 | *** join/#tacobeam whardier (n=hardwire@66-230-102-166-cdsl-rb1.nwc.acsalaska.net) |
| 05:44.28 | scanlime | whardier: wow, I don't want to think about how long it's been since I've seen you under this nick |
| 05:44.40 | purple_cow | yes you do. THINK! |
| 05:44.44 | whardier | my alter ego is still on. |
| 05:44.46 | scanlime | noooooooooo |
| 05:44.51 | whardier | hence whardier |
| 05:44.53 | whardier | now bow. |
| 05:45.05 | scanlime | I want to set up the christmas lights on my porch |
| 05:45.09 | scanlime | but I think it's still raining |
| 05:45.12 | ChipX86 | do you guys use postfix + mysql? |
| 05:45.21 | CIA-4 | navi-misc: 03staz * r9694 10xchat-gnome/po/fr_FR.po: Updated french translation |
| 05:45.26 | purple_cow | it's also not even december yet, dammit |
| 05:45.43 | whardier | ChipX86: for virtuals? |
| 05:45.48 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 05:45.56 | scanlime | purple_cow: well, I just want general purpose lighting for the porch. It's pure coincidence that I'm putting them up at this time of the year |
| 05:46.34 | purple_cow | delightfully tacky |
| 05:46.37 | whardier | ChipX86: it would be nice.. I have been wanting too. |
| 05:46.44 | ChipX86 | it's blowing up |
| 05:46.46 | whardier | but from what I see its very easy to set up |
| 05:46.49 | whardier | doh |
| 05:46.49 | ChipX86 | LIES |
| 05:46.50 | whardier | no good. |
| 05:46.53 | whardier | LIES?! |
| 05:47.02 | whardier | hehe.. the only part of postfix that integrates with mysql is gld. |
| 05:47.02 | ChipX86 | fucking e-mail addresses won't forward |
| 05:47.05 | whardier | in my setup |
| 05:47.08 | scanlime | purple_cow: eh, not sure how else I'd light my porch. Christmas lights are quite common in this apartment complex |
| 05:47.22 | whardier | ChipX86: ah... you are forwarding via the virtual table? |
| 05:47.25 | ChipX86 | yes |
| 05:47.27 | scanlime | purple_cow: more of a college student thing than general tackiness ;) |
| 05:47.34 | whardier | ChipX86: should be slick as snot. |
| 05:47.35 | whardier | can I see the entry? |
| 05:47.42 | scanlime | but I doubt there are many college students in this complex |
| 05:47.51 | ChipX86 | chipx86@gnupdate.org chipx86@chipx86.com |
| 05:47.59 | purple_cow | you're not a student ;) |
| 05:48.01 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 05:48.03 | whardier | and delivery to gnuupdate.org works fine |
| 05:48.09 | purple_cow | i wonder if costco sells the tazo green tea |
| 05:48.09 | whardier | or whatever. |
| 05:48.13 | ChipX86 | should |
| 05:48.17 | ChipX86 | I don't have actual users on there |
| 05:48.17 | scanlime | purple_cow: details... |
| 05:48.19 | purple_cow | i'm going through this stuff at the rate of 1-5 bags a night =/ |
| 05:48.23 | whardier | ChipX86: do you have it defined as a virtual domain? |
| 05:48.26 | ChipX86 | yes |
| 05:48.30 | whardier | @gnupdate.org VIRTUAL |
| 05:48.34 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 05:48.36 | scanlime | hmm, tea... |
| 05:48.39 | whardier | weird. |
| 05:48.42 | whardier | ChipX86: I have no clue |
| 05:48.45 | whardier | surprise. |
| 05:49.09 | scanlime | I should really stop hanging out in #vmware |
| 05:49.16 | whardier | but you work there. |
| 05:49.18 | scanlime | it hasn't even been good for comic relief lately |
| 05:49.29 | scanlime | whardier: the freenode #vmware channel is such a joke |
| 05:49.50 | scanlime | it's just a bunch of whiny idiots that don't know how to configure linux |
| 05:49.55 | whardier | hardwire caliber channel no doubt |
| 05:50.02 | whardier | luser! |
| 05:50.09 | scanlime | yeah, hardwire sucks |
| 05:50.12 | scanlime | and such |
| 05:50.13 | whardier | yeh! |
| 05:50.37 | scanlime | </ballmer> |
| 05:50.45 | whardier | hardwire always thinks with one of his many orifices. |
| 05:53.37 | scanlime | as far as I can tell, my apartment has no thermostats.. I just have knobs on the two baseboard-mounted heaters |
| 05:53.52 | scanlime | it's like the dorm radiators all over again! |
| 05:54.02 | purple_cow | i have a thermostat and two radiators with knobs |
| 05:54.20 | purple_cow | and the thermostat has one setting |
| 05:54.24 | purple_cow | "comfort zone" |
| 05:54.28 | scanlime | hah |
| 05:54.34 | scanlime | well.. if I have a thermostat, it's very well hidden |
| 05:54.52 | purple_cow | afaict, "comfort zone" actually means "way too hot", and below comfort zone means "off" |
| 05:54.53 | scanlime | they probably mounted it behind the fridge, or under the sink... |
| 05:54.57 | purple_cow | i'm scared to try above |
| 05:54.58 | scanlime | haha |
| 05:55.04 | whardier | http://web001.corp.anc.tdxnet.com/apache2-default/gct_shot5.png |
| 05:55.10 | whardier | scap from a program I once made to do things. |
| 05:55.17 | ChipX86 | OH |
| 05:55.20 | whardier | the intro loading splash |
| 05:55.22 | ChipX86 | damn you gentoo docs |
| 05:55.35 | scanlime | oh no |
| 05:55.39 | scanlime | whardier: that's picogui, isn't it |
| 05:55.44 | purple_cow | looks a lot like |
| 05:55.45 | whardier | nope |
| 05:55.48 | scanlime | yes, it is |
| 05:55.51 | scanlime | I recognize that font |
| 05:55.51 | whardier | no it isn't |
| 05:55.53 | scanlime | and those gradients |
| 05:56.10 | whardier | I never made GCT in picogui |
| 05:56.13 | scanlime | if that isn't picogui, you copied one of its themes pretty exactly |
| 05:56.30 | whardier | I remember expirementing w/ picogui. |
| 05:56.37 | whardier | possibly this could have maybe been done in it |
| 05:56.46 | whardier | but I doubt it |
| 05:57.27 | scanlime | trust me :) |
| 05:58.02 | whardier | scanlime: maybe I will just have to |
| 05:58.04 | whardier | http://web001.corp.anc.tdxnet.com/apache2-default/md1.png |
| 05:58.07 | whardier | http://web001.corp.anc.tdxnet.com/apache2-default/md2.png |
| 05:58.24 | whardier | plots of the inverted prop we were going to use on our sub |
| 05:58.46 | whardier | err. thruster. |
| 05:59.03 | whardier | stupidly fast, magnetically driven |
| 06:01.00 | CIA-4 | navi-misc: 03jupiter 07xchat-gnome-xtext-wrapper * r9695 10/: Remove this branch, since it very quickly got out of control. Apparently lots of other things need to be refactored first |
| 06:06.15 | CIA-4 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9696 10xchat-gnome/src/fe-gnome/irc-network.c: string change |
| 06:07.48 | whardier | ChipX86: does your ati card only send the video overlay to your primary display? |
| 06:13.49 | whardier | http://web001.corp.anc.tdxnet.com/apache2-default/chikyboy2.avi |
| 06:14.02 | whardier | another in many reasons why hardwire should never be left unattended |
| 06:15.21 | whardier | poor stupid boy. |
| 06:17.06 | CIA-4 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9697 10xchat-gnome/src/common/CVS/Entries: make cvs think updated files were updated |
| 06:17.50 | CIA-4 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9698 10xchat-gnome/src/fe-gnome/about.c: make things marginally more efficient, use proper data paths |
| 06:23.22 | purple_cow | doesn't every bill have that now? |
| 06:23.33 | purple_cow | i thought there were a few senators who were attaching that rider to everything |
| 06:25.06 | laodamas | I believe there have been a few resolutions, but to my knowledge the defense spending bill for 2006 is the only one with the we-will-follow-the-geneva-conventions rider |
| 06:25.36 | dooky | are you guys republicans or democrats, or what? |
| 06:25.59 | nullpuppy | we're anarchists |
| 06:26.06 | dooky | nullpuppy: ecellent. |
| 06:26.11 | dooky | +x |
| 06:26.17 | CIA-4 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9699 10xchat-gnome/src/fe-gnome/about.c: list scanlime as an artist :) |
| 06:26.31 | purple_cow | i'm a man |
| 06:27.11 | nullpuppy | whardier: ..... what... the.... |
| 06:28.15 | laodamas | quack goes the llama |
| 06:28.34 | scanlime | purple_cow: uh oh, now I'll get blamed for the silly logo |
| 06:28.48 | purple_cow | scanlime: :) |
| 06:29.01 | whardier | nullpuppy: my g/f agrees. |
| 06:31.43 | scanlime | oh wow |
| 06:31.51 | scanlime | my emacs Just Works with all the unicode in about.c |
| 06:32.09 | nullpuppy | ewwww emacs |
| 06:32.10 | nullpuppy | ;) |
| 06:32.32 | scanlime | 'course, I have no idea how to type unicode in emacs.. |
| 06:34.33 | whardier | how does gnome generate its menus now? |
| 06:34.40 | whardier | I always though it used the menu program |
| 06:34.49 | scanlime | that's a debian thing :P |
| 06:34.54 | whardier | ahha |
| 06:35.25 | *** join/#tacobeam lurgy (n=lurgyman@71-211-173-50.hlrn.qwest.net) |
| 06:38.17 | purple_cow | scanlime: yes, dammit |
| 06:38.20 | purple_cow | 0.8 is rocking out |
| 06:38.23 | *** join/#tacobeam whardier (n=hardwire@66-230-102-166-cdsl-rb1.nwc.acsalaska.net) |
| 06:39.05 | CIA-4 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9700 10xchat-gnome/src/fe-gnome/ (about.c about.h): give it url/email hooks. strange how the url in the about dialog isn't actually clickable, even with a url handler installed |
| 06:39.28 | scanlime | might as well install svn, so it can be all broken and stuff :) |
| 06:39.28 | purple_cow | yay! |
| 06:39.36 | purple_cow | you just want to see your name in the credits |
| 06:39.41 | scanlime | :) |
| 06:39.50 | whardier | why did I switch away from xfce4 again? |
| 06:44.54 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 06:53.23 | laodamas | goodnight world |
| 07:10.27 | scanlime | ugh |
| 07:10.35 | scanlime | wonder where I get all these m4 macros in ubuntu.. |
| 07:12.23 | scanlime | ick |
| 07:13.55 | scanlime | so you have to install automake 1.9 *before* gnome-common, not after.. and it won't find the gnome m4 macros unless you compile gnome-common with prefix=/usr |
| 07:14.18 | scanlime | sigh.. |
| 07:14.23 | scanlime | $ ./configure |
| 07:14.24 | scanlime | configure: error: cannot find install-sh or install.sh in . ./.. ./../.. |
| 07:14.27 | scanlime | I hate build systems |
| 07:14.35 | whardier | they are meant to be hated. |
| 07:14.53 | purple_cow | except scons |
| 07:15.00 | purple_cow | which is made to be loved but not taken seriously |
| 07:15.04 | scanlime | :) |
| 07:15.38 | whardier | purple_cow: its out there.. jsut because |
| 07:15.51 | whardier | scons.. don't use me.. I am not ready for your world yet.. but admire me. |
| 07:16.35 | whardier | wow |
| 07:16.43 | whardier | I just found a backup when I did all artwork and stored in PCX |
| 07:16.53 | whardier | that is sweet. |
| 07:17.09 | scanlime | oh, this might be the problem |
| 07:17.11 | scanlime | configure.ac:92: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_GCONF_SOURCE_2 |
| 07:17.11 | scanlime | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:17.11 | scanlime | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:20.44 | ChipX86 | scanlime: how much swap is being used on average on zero or flapjack? |
| 07:20.57 | scanlime | a lot... |
| 07:21.04 | ChipX86 | no problems with that |
| 07:21.05 | scanlime | having swap in use isn't a problem |
| 07:21.05 | ChipX86 | ? |
| 07:21.05 | CIA-4 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9701 10xchat-gnome/src/fe-gnome/text-entry.c: make it compile when libsexy isn't present |
| 07:21.21 | ChipX86 | purple_cow: blasphemy |
| 07:21.41 | purple_cow | ChipX86: yeah, i know |
| 07:22.10 | scanlime | hmm |
| 07:22.20 | scanlime | guess you have to have gconf-dev and friends before gnome-common also |
| 07:22.38 | scanlime | it might help if gnome-common mentioned you had to rebuild it any time your available m4 macros changed |
| 07:25.02 | scanlime | oof, gotta upgrade my glib too |
| 07:25.11 | scanlime | purple_cow: what was this about xchat-gnome being easy to compile? ;) |
| 07:25.41 | purple_cow | scanlime: just imagine how much you'd hate your life if you were trying a month ago ;) |
| 07:25.50 | scanlime | heh, yeah |
| 07:26.21 | ChipX86 | I should try to install it |
| 07:26.26 | ChipX86 | after my damn e-mail works |
| 07:26.35 | scanlime | it is no fun at all to install on hoary :P |
| 07:29.18 | purple_cow | sigh |
| 07:29.21 | purple_cow | what the hell |
| 07:29.37 | purple_cow | libglade doesn't actually call show() on custom widgets, even when they're marked visible |
| 07:29.43 | rioter | damn my tonsils to hell, i sound like darth vader at the moment |
| 07:30.31 | scanlime | yay, 654MB of packages to download |
| 07:30.47 | scanlime | I don't even know if that includes glib 2.8! :P |
| 07:31.24 | ChipX86 | breezy? |
| 07:31.28 | scanlime | yeah |
| 07:31.33 | ChipX86 | it does |
| 07:31.40 | scanlime | that's good |
| 07:31.45 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 07:31.47 | purple_cow | no dapper? :) |
| 07:31.48 | scanlime | maybe this will be done by morning |
| 07:32.05 | ChipX86 | e-mail, you sadden me |
| 07:32.27 | scanlime | except for that time qmail made baby jesus cry |
| 07:32.31 | ChipX86 | postfix isn't doing what I'm telling it to do |
| 07:32.57 | scanlime | maybe tomboy in breezy won't eat all my memory |
| 07:33.36 | ChipX86 | you may have to run apt-get dist-upgrade a couple times and, if using hoary-backports, possibly fix up the dependencies a bit, but the install shouldn't be that problematic |
| 07:34.53 | CIA-4 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9702 10xchat-gnome/ (5 files in 2 dirs): use custom widgets inside the glade file, remove a bunch of creation/packing cruft from main-window.c. Also fix some more bugs when the user is silly enough to not have libsexy |
| 07:35.11 | purple_cow | teehee |
| 07:35.15 | purple_cow | custom widgets in glade are so funk |
| 07:35.18 | purple_cow | err, funky |
| 07:35.55 | scanlime | oh no, firefox is using 50MB of RAM |
| 07:36.08 | scanlime | that's like 150% of the total memory on this machine |
| 07:38.24 | numist | ... |
| 07:38.46 | numist | you know, I was going to say that 50MB is not a lot for firefox... but when you put it in terms like 150% available... thats a bit different isnt it |
| 07:41.06 | scanlime | well, I exaggerate |
| 07:41.13 | scanlime | this laptop has 192MB.. but these days it seems more like 16MB |
| 07:46.29 | ChipX86 | uh oh |
| 07:46.39 | numist | ... |
| 07:46.40 | numist | uh |
| 07:46.48 | scanlime | hrm |
| 07:46.53 | *** join/#tacobeam CIA-8 (i=cia@flapjack.navi.cx) |
| 07:46.55 | numist | works in #sdcolelges |
| 07:47.02 | numist | er.. but with correct spelling |
| 07:47.03 | scanlime | that was weird |
| 07:47.06 | numist | yeah |
| 07:47.16 | scanlime | well, it never left #commits |
| 07:47.23 | scanlime | could be the freenode server it was on flaked out |
| 07:47.43 | scanlime | I don't think it's possible for just one of the CIA bots to disconnect unless it's the IRC server or the network's fault |
| 07:47.45 | numist | would it have quit though (instead of server errorred) |
| 07:47.57 | numist | yeah.. damn odd |
| 07:48.01 | numist | recovered nicely though |
| 07:48.06 | scanlime | I don't think it actually quit- I think the server lost the real error message |
| 07:48.15 | scanlime | heh, yes |
| 07:48.22 | numist | :) |
| 07:48.23 | scanlime | the bot code has become quite self-sufficient |
| 07:48.29 | scanlime | it's had to.. the IRC connections were a maintenance nightmare |
| 07:48.43 | numist | if you can make them +i themselves, might be useful |
| 07:48.53 | numist | /whois tells all |
| 07:49.02 | scanlime | huh.. it lost connections to a ton of networks |
| 07:49.05 | scanlime | +i? |
| 07:49.27 | numist | invisible, so if I /whois it only #tacobeam would show up for CIA-8 |
| 07:49.37 | scanlime | how would that help? |
| 07:49.59 | numist | doesnt help you any, but if someones trying to keep their channel quiet |
| 07:50.01 | numist | meh Im rambling |
| 07:50.29 | scanlime | it's not like they couldn't just look at http://cia.navi.cx/irc |
| 07:50.59 | scanlime | looks more like a network hiccup- CIA lost connections to at least 8 networks |
| 07:51.41 | numist | indeed |
| 07:51.47 | numist | 8 nets.. nice |
| 07:52.44 | scanlime | see the big 'new bots' section on that web page? those are the bots waiting for connections |
| 07:57.46 | CIA-8 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9703 10xchat-gnome/plugins/notify-osd/notify-osd.c: fix a data path booboo |
| 07:58.07 | scanlime | cool... |
| 07:58.11 | scanlime | http://pandora.com |
| 07:58.37 | numist | bed time... I am so finished with today |
| 07:58.44 | ChipX86 | huh, my linode just reset my connections |
| 07:59.11 | ChipX86 | hope the server didn't go kaboom again |
| 08:00.33 | ChipX86 | I think it did |
| 08:00.36 | ChipX86 | what the hell is going on |
| 08:00.46 | ChipX86 | apache has never had a problem |
| 08:01.18 | CIA-8 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9704 10xchat-gnome/plugins/notification/notification.c: more data path issues |
| 08:02.01 | scanlime | guh |
| 08:02.20 | scanlime | so my laptop really doesn't keep up with the flash pandora.com uses |
| 08:02.32 | scanlime | it works great on wasabi (which has the speakers anyway), but x2x is freaking out |
| 08:04.06 | scanlime | this is really cool |
| 08:04.07 | CIA-8 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9705 10xchat-gnome/plugins/notification/notification.c: use 48x48 version. at some point i should probably rename things, since xchat-gnome-small.png is a lot bigger than xchat-gnome.png |
| 08:04.20 | scanlime | the interface and the audio quality don't suck, and it's actually picking some cool music |
| 08:04.24 | CIA-8 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9706 10xchat-gnome/src/fe-gnome/main-window.c: little bit of simplification |
| 08:08.41 | purple_cow | oof |
| 08:08.52 | purple_cow | kde's UI guidelines doc is really hard to read |
| 08:09.47 | purple_cow | :( |
| 08:09.49 | purple_cow | ``Systray entries are used as an icon to show an application is loaded; or simply to show the status of something without having a window open for the application.'' |
| 08:10.06 | scanlime | that's nearly 100% content free |
| 08:10.27 | scanlime | worse yet, it leaves the door open for the same crap windows users have to put up with |
| 08:10.40 | purple_cow | it's also completely the opposite of gnome's suggestion for the notification area |
| 08:12.31 | scanlime | nooo.... |
| 08:12.35 | scanlime | this doesn't have The Pillows |
| 08:12.50 | scanlime | though it thinks I might mean "Pillow Theory" |
| 08:13.08 | purple_cow | huh |
| 08:13.24 | purple_cow | for some reason this document is *really* stressing the difference between application windows and processes |
| 08:13.46 | purple_cow | i wonder if kde apps had serious problems in that regard |
| 08:14.09 | scanlime | they could just be following windows' lead in that regard |
| 08:16.48 | purple_cow | another thing that makes me sad is how much they suggest adding "Don't show this dialog again" buttons :( |
| 08:17.35 | scanlime | it'd be nice to have a good alternative to those |
| 08:18.02 | purple_cow | i didn't mind the idea a few years ago |
| 08:18.27 | ChipX86 | and now the wireless connection is being problematic |
| 08:18.28 | ChipX86 | yay |
| 08:18.29 | purple_cow | but nowadays there are so many of them, and it seems like exactly 50% say "don't show me this again" and the other 50% say "show this dialog next time" |
| 08:18.53 | purple_cow | so i always have to read it to make sure i know whether it should be checked or not |
| 08:19.48 | scanlime | heh, yeah |
| 08:32.14 | ChipX86 | why isn't postfix working |
| 08:33.06 | scanlime | hehe, pandora's music classifications are.. interesting |
| 08:34.16 | scanlime | "folk influences, acoustic sonority, major key tonality, melodic songwriting, and a prominent mandolin part" |
| 08:38.44 | ChipX86 | why won't this thing forward e-mails |
| 08:43.58 | purple_cow | scanlime: what group? |
| 08:47.42 | scanlime | Kirsty MacColl |
| 08:47.59 | scanlime | but they do all the analysis per-song, rather than per-group |
| 08:48.01 | scanlime | it's rather cool |
| 08:55.25 | CIA-8 | navi-misc: 03staz * r9707 10xchat-gnome/po/fr_FR.po: |
| 08:55.25 | CIA-8 | navi-misc: Last update of french translation before sleeping. Nearly all translated |
| 08:55.25 | CIA-8 | navi-misc: apart from the Licence, NM Plugin and the common/ part |
| 09:11.24 | *** join/#tacobeam CIA-9 (i=cia@flapjack.navi.cx) |
| 09:12.52 | scanlime | whoaaaa |
| 09:12.53 | scanlime | http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=0001OR&topic_id=1&topic= |
| 09:12.55 | scanlime | CIA needs this |
| 09:13.08 | scanlime | I could have cute little word-sized graphs embedded in everything |
| 09:13.09 | scanlime | with AJAX |
| 09:13.11 | scanlime | and tags |
| 09:17.08 | purple_cow | hah |
| 09:35.00 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9708 10xchat-gnome/src/fe-gnome/ (6 files): move topic storage out of textgui and into topic-label |
| 09:35.14 | ChipX86 | I cannot get postfix to work |
| 09:35.21 | purple_cow | :( |
| 09:42.06 | ChipX86 | it's practically the same config as the old server |
| 09:42.19 | ChipX86 | I want sleep, damnit |
| 09:42.40 | scanlime | p.t.c down? |
| 09:42.46 | ChipX86 | everything is down |
| 09:42.50 | ChipX86 | and apache won't be up for a whlie |
| 09:42.55 | ChipX86 | I cannot run it without it eating all memory |
| 09:42.57 | scanlime | good luck :( |
| 09:43.04 | ChipX86 | it's almost 2 and I can't even consider sleep yet |
| 09:43.19 | ChipX86 | and fucking emerge keeps failing |
| 09:43.35 | ChipX86 | I hate computers.. |
| 09:44.50 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r9709 10xchat-gnome/src/fe-gnome/ (main-window.c topic-label.c topic-label.h): move topic changing into topic label too, why not. it's expanded a bit beyond it's filename, but oh well |
| 09:46.01 | ChipX86 | cool, to install the new portage, I must install flex, which won't install due to a packaging issue |
| 09:55.19 | ChipX86 | how does one see the current version of a package on gentoo? |
| 09:56.38 | purple_cow | well, emerge can tell you, but it's usually faster just to look in /var/db/pkg |
| 09:56.56 | scanlime | guh.. thin walls here |
| 09:57.05 | scanlime | my music was pretty quiet, and I had someone complaining about it |
| 09:57.30 | scanlime | bah. I should ignore this dist-upgrade and get some sleep |
| 09:59.12 | ChipX86 | how is it that everything that can go wrong is violently going wrong tonight? |
| 10:00.21 | purple_cow | hmm, sleep |
| 10:00.27 | purple_cow | ChipX86: murphy |
| 10:02.07 | purple_cow | good luck |
| 10:02.10 | ChipX86 | thanks |
| 10:25.37 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: 03darkstar62 * r9710 10teaching_boxes/web/ (12 files in 6 dirs): |
| 10:25.37 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: AJAX support for loading and saving improved. Particularly, new boxes are |
| 10:25.38 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: created and saved with their linked lessons (which are now dynamically loaded). |
| 10:25.38 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: Also, the list of available boxes is loaded whenever the 'Add to Box' button is |
| 10:25.38 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: clicked, and new boxes show up there. Also, lots of other bug fixes and |
| 10:25.38 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: updates. |
| 10:28.51 | rioter | ChipX86 how long you two been together now? |
| 10:32.21 | ChipX86 | god damnit, the laptop locked up. What else will go wrong |
| 10:32.23 | ChipX86 | rioter: 1 year |
| 10:32.31 | rioter | ah congrats |
| 10:32.34 | ChipX86 | thanks |
| 11:00.22 | ChipX86 | figured out the apache issue |
| 11:00.25 | ChipX86 | it's the damn gallery slideshow feature |
| 11:41.05 | ChipX86 | got it! e-mail works again |
| 11:41.12 | ChipX86 | now hopefully apache will last the night. I pray it was just the slideshow.. |
| 11:41.50 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: 03darkstar62 * r9711 10teaching_boxes/web/ (10 files in 4 dirs): Make the new lesson page ask for a lesson name and description, like the new box page does. Also, javascript really sucks. |
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| 17:13.20 | orchid | wow istanbul is nifty |
| 17:15.07 | slimspace | darth_mall: http://71.211.173.50:8000 |
| 17:15.12 | slimspace | what do you think? |
| 17:15.19 | darth_mall | orchid: not constantinople |
| 17:15.32 | orchid | :P |
| 17:15.49 | orchid | both the ong and the software are nifty then :) |
| 17:15.51 | darth_mall | slimspace: that's a very nice apache test page ^^ |
| 17:26.05 | TD | this is dumb |
| 17:26.14 | TD | what's the formula for number of vertices in a binary tree of height n? |
| 17:26.30 | TD | i know how to get it algorithmically |
| 17:26.34 | TD | but there must be a formula for it |
| 17:28.38 | darth_mall | 2^n isn't it? |
| 17:29.07 | scanlime | darth_mall: that'll give you the number of leaves |
| 17:29.17 | darth_mall | oh... I knew it was important somehow ^^ |
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| 17:30.01 | galen | ah ha! |
| 17:30.22 | scanlime | TD: I believe 2*(2^n)-1 works |
| 17:32.13 | scanlime | TD: you can think of each level of the binary tree as a bit.. the leaf level on a 4-deep tree might be 1000, so all the other levels put together are 0111 |
| 17:32.26 | scanlime | TD: so what you really want is 1111, or 2^5-1 |
| 17:32.42 | numist | nice thinking |
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| 18:06.17 | slimspace | stupid power failures... |
| 18:06.29 | numist | agreed |
| 18:08.00 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: 03darkstar62 * r9712 10teaching_boxes/web/ (7 files in 4 dirs): Make creating links to other lessons from within a lesson work, and also add fields for resources and notes |
| 18:08.45 | nullpuppy | http://www.bytonic.de/html/jake2.html |
| 18:09.15 | darth_mall | slimspace: so I still can't get to that page |
| 18:09.24 | slimspace | yeah, that's because my IP address changed. |
| 18:09.35 | slimspace | try this: |
| 18:09.50 | slimspace | http://71.211.160.89:8000/~darkstar62 |
| 18:09.55 | darth_mall | slimspace: would you like an account on my machine? I have a static IP |
| 18:10.17 | slimspace | nah, I'm good. If I need a server with a static IP, I just use zero |
| 18:10.26 | nullpuppy | i can't connect either |
| 18:10.30 | darth_mall | slimspace: connection refused |
| 18:10.35 | slimspace | oh...apache may not have restarted... |
| 18:10.45 | nullpuppy | lol |
| 18:10.56 | slimspace | try now |
| 18:11.33 | nullpuppy | loaded that time |
| 18:12.05 | darth_mall | slimspace: I don't think we should remove the Title field from the lesson |
| 18:12.14 | darth_mall | and actually, I meant to add one to the boxes in the mock up |
| 18:12.23 | slimspace | Why should we keep it? Isn't it just the name of the box? |
| 18:12.35 | darth_mall | they should be able to change that and not have to think of it right away |
| 18:13.02 | slimspace | hmm...we should change that for boxes too then |
| 18:13.08 | darth_mall | right |
| 18:13.16 | darth_mall | but lessons and boxes do not have the same names |
| 18:13.23 | slimspace | right |
| 18:13.51 | darth_mall | I think the lessons were fine as they were, taking you directly to the dialog for selecting fields |
| 18:14.06 | nullpuppy | hmm, i should go acquire some breakfast |
| 18:14.20 | darth_mall | no! |
| 18:14.21 | darth_mall | no eating! |
| 18:14.28 | slimspace | darth_mall: I'll need to make some modifications to how the title fields work... |
| 18:14.43 | darth_mall | ok, as long as they're still there |
| 18:15.43 | slimspace | I really just don't like the separate "Title" field, and having an overall title that are different entities. What would you think of having a default name, and a "Change" link next to it? |
| 18:16.07 | darth_mall | what overall title? |
| 18:16.17 | slimspace | the big name of the box or lesson |
| 18:16.20 | darth_mall | boxes have titles, lessons have titles, that's it |
| 18:16.35 | darth_mall | there aren't multiple titles |
| 18:16.51 | slimspace | right, that's what I'm talking about. When we edit those, there's the name displayed in big letters at the top. What we had was a title field below that that was editable. |
| 18:16.59 | darth_mall | just get rid of that |
| 18:17.15 | darth_mall | it doesn't really serve a purpose when you're editing something |
| 18:17.31 | slimspace | It's good for a quick view of where you are |
| 18:17.50 | darth_mall | naw, not worth it |
| 18:17.57 | darth_mall | if you look at the lesson mockup, it doesn't have one |
| 18:18.08 | darth_mall | I put it in the box mockup because I wasn't thinking |
| 18:18.29 | slimspace | hrm... |
| 18:18.46 | darth_mall | they've got the title field, and we can put the title in the window title if we want |
| 18:18.47 | slimspace | see, I like the mockup for the box better |
| 18:18.49 | darth_mall | that should be enough |
| 18:19.17 | darth_mall | it looks nice, but it adds too much complexity to the interface |
| 18:19.42 | darth_mall | the focus of this interface is modification, not display |
| 18:20.07 | slimspace | agreed, but it needs to have some degree of friendliness when the user first looks at it |
| 18:20.27 | darth_mall | friendliness doesn't necessarily mean huge, fuzzy letters ;) |
| 18:20.46 | nullpuppy | blasphemy! |
| 18:21.04 | slimspace | hmm... |
| 18:22.07 | nullpuppy | :( i'm all out of Lucky Charms now |
| 18:24.09 | numist | aw, replace with /0lager |
| 18:25.47 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 18:26.15 | nullpuppy | i'll have stout ready in about 2 weeks |
| 18:26.25 | nullpuppy | i'll have some mead in around february |
| 18:26.31 | numist | yay! |
| 18:26.35 | numist | damn why dont you live near e |
| 18:26.36 | numist | me |
| 18:27.06 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 18:27.16 | nullpuppy | cause you don't live near me? |
| 18:28.25 | numist | yeah :( |
| 18:30.35 | nullpuppy | :( |
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| 18:34.44 | file | hail pfault |
| 18:35.00 | pfault | hey file |
| 18:35.03 | pfault | I am on RDP :) |
| 18:50.10 | file | something keeps beeping and I can't figure out what |
| 18:50.11 | numist | :o |
| 18:50.11 | slimspace | darth_mall: http://71.211.160.89:8000/~darkstar62/new_lesson.html |
| 18:50.40 | slimspace | darth_mall: I see your point. I tried it both ways, and I like this way better |
| 18:51.05 | darth_mall | slimspace: it's not that the big label is bad, but this is simpler and we're pressed for time |
| 18:51.33 | darth_mall | given more time I'd want to investigate both more thoroughly |
| 18:51.48 | slimspace | yeah |
| 18:52.09 | slimspace | I did add a description field on top of the about field to allow for a short description that would show up in the dialog boxes |
| 18:55.39 | ChipX86 | ARGH |
| 18:55.45 | ChipX86 | I need a vacation. |
| 18:55.56 | numist | I just had one and I need another :/ |
| 18:56.04 | ChipX86 | I can't log in to work remotely |
| 18:56.10 | numist | aw |
| 18:56.14 | ChipX86 | and I have to stay here |
| 18:56.22 | numist | why? |
| 18:57.25 | ChipX86 | UPS won't deliver packages to this apartment complex's office anymore, and requires now that residents here sign for themselvesw |
| 18:57.51 | numist | :o |
| 18:58.22 | ChipX86 | short story is that there's a few old, annoying residents who got all paranoid about their packages being delivered to the main office, and complained loud and often at UPS |
| 18:58.24 | file | well that bites |
| 18:58.27 | ChipX86 | so UPS is no longer delivering here |
| 18:58.35 | ChipX86 | to the main office that is |
| 18:58.58 | numist | right |
| 18:58.59 | numist | sucks |
| 18:59.24 | file | today is such a productive day for me |
| 19:00.15 | darth_mall | ChipX86: you are a vacation |
| 19:00.17 | numist | :( |
| 19:00.49 | nullpuppy | yay macgyver |
| 19:00.58 | ChipX86 | cool, the emerge apache broke apache |
| 19:03.18 | darth_mall | ChipX86: that's what updating is for |
| 19:10.01 | ChipX86 | scanlime: ping |
| 19:12.19 | scanlime | hm? |
| 19:12.58 | ChipX86 | I was going to see if you can VNC in, but I'm apparently able to get in through ssh, so now I'm wondering wtf is wrong with my port forwarding |
| 19:13.49 | scanlime | heh, I always just use X forwarding |
| 19:13.58 | scanlime | seems to work better than VNC, especially with my lappy's limited screen space |
| 19:14.11 | ChipX86 | either way, I can't get in |
| 19:14.16 | ChipX86 | argh |
| 19:16.40 | ChipX86 | I can get in from athena. What broke on siren.. |
| 19:16.57 | file | ChipX86: you really do have horrible luck... :\ |
| 19:18.04 | ChipX86 | purple_cow: oh no |
| 19:18.09 | ChipX86 | bluefoxicy is in your channel |
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| 19:28.28 | darth_mall | bad hardwire! |
| 19:28.36 | hardwire | you have no idea. |
| 19:28.43 | darth_mall | don't I? |
| 19:28.48 | slimspace | darth_mall: check the site now |
| 19:28.52 | hardwire | bad == I love xfce4 |
| 19:28.53 | darth_mall | no you! |
| 19:29.02 | slimspace | darth_mall: everything in new_box.html works now |
| 19:29.03 | darth_mall | slimspace: don't forget, we have sr. project this afternoon |
| 19:29.21 | darth_mall | hardwire: that's because you're a certifiable |
| 19:29.27 | slimspace | that's today? thought it was next week |
| 19:29.33 | numist | er... |
| 19:30.44 | slimspace | darth_mall: class is at 3:30? |
| 19:30.49 | darth_mall | indeedy |
| 19:30.53 | darth_mall | no class next week |
| 19:30.53 | slimspace | ok |
| 19:30.56 | darth_mall | today is the 29th |
| 19:30.57 | slimspace | right |
| 19:31.38 | darth_mall | no! no rereading |
| 19:31.41 | darth_mall | only reading |
| 19:31.42 | ChipX86 | of course rebooting linux fixed it |
| 19:31.58 | darth_mall | sounds like ChipX86 is having one of Those Days (TM) |
| 19:32.24 | ChipX86 | wish I had a webserver |
| 19:32.33 | darth_mall | you could be a webserver |
| 19:32.38 | ChipX86 | WHAT THE HELL |
| 19:32.41 | darth_mall | >< |
| 19:32.49 | darth_mall | goddammit I hate Java |
| 19:32.50 | ChipX86 | UPS just said they tried sending the package and I wasn't here |
| 19:32.57 | numist | ... |
| 19:32.59 | numist | my ass |
| 19:33.00 | darth_mall | and gentoo for that matter |
| 19:33.08 | numist | tell them that they are full of crap |
| 19:33.09 | numist | yay food! |
| 19:33.27 | hardwire | oh I wish I had an oscar mayer web server |
| 19:33.44 | nullpuppy | lol |
| 19:34.01 | hardwire | nullpuppy: no encouraging the idiot. |
| 19:34.01 | darth_mall | seriously, who packages something that doesn't even compile? |
| 19:34.08 | nullpuppy | but its fun! |
| 19:34.36 | hardwire | I hate my day |
| 19:34.39 | darth_mall | me too |
| 19:34.52 | hardwire | since when do you need a certification to sell cisco crap? |
| 19:35.06 | hardwire | does ingram micro have to staff 1 CSE to be able to sell it? |
| 19:35.38 | hardwire | this is really bothering me.. because I have 5 people in the other room rubbing their hands together saying I need to become something I don't really want to be. |
| 19:35.46 | hardwire | just so we can sell little blue peices of poop |
| 19:39.26 | file | heil hardwire |
| 19:39.26 | darth_mall | so... how did this xalan package get installed on my computer if nothing depends on it and I've never heard of it |
| 19:39.41 | darth_mall | oh... there it is |
| 19:39.47 | darth_mall | it helps to use equery correctly |
| 19:40.22 | darth_mall | uhoh... purple_cow is around |
| 19:42.32 | hardwire | file: I don't heil |
| 19:47.14 | file | really? how unfortunate |
| 19:52.02 | hardwire | file: maybe if you were wearing some latex.. and had a whip.. |
| 19:52.15 | ChipX86 | oh hey, some good news |
| 19:52.27 | ChipX86 | we get paid tomorrow and I got my referral bonus mail |
| 19:52.38 | scanlime | cool |
| 19:52.44 | nullpuppy | yay |
| 19:53.10 | hardwire | hmm.. does the composite extension and glx work well together yet? |
| 19:53.27 | galen | hardwire: ToyKeeper has lead me to your tacobeam of goodness and doom |
| 19:53.46 | hardwire | oh dear lord. |
| 19:53.49 | hardwire | hi galen :) |
| 19:53.57 | numist | ... |
| 19:54.10 | hardwire | it is no longer officially my tacobeam of goodness and doom |
| 19:54.14 | ChipX86 | yay for paycheck += $2000 - taxes |
| 19:54.27 | numist | damn, man |
| 19:54.31 | hardwire | rather there are a few evil lords of tacobeam now that have assumed all control. |
| 19:54.33 | numist | thats a month's pay right there |
| 19:54.40 | ChipX86 | which means I get to buy a hamburger after taxes eat into it |
| 19:55.01 | ToyKeeper | Apparently gurov started a "meats of evil" clan. |
| 19:55.07 | ToyKeeper | It made me think of tacobeam. |
| 19:55.15 | hardwire | ToyKeeper: including weird scottish meats? |
| 19:56.02 | darth_mall | hardwire: dance for me |
| 19:56.13 | hardwire | darth_mall: do I look like your bitch? |
| 19:56.15 | darth_mall | yes |
| 19:56.25 | hardwire | you have an ugly bitch then. |
| 19:56.28 | darth_mall | yes |
| 19:56.29 | darth_mall | now dance |
| 19:56.42 | darth_mall | yay |
| 19:58.18 | darth_mall | hardwire: you made my day |
| 19:58.44 | hardwire | freak |
| 19:58.50 | galen | heh |
| 19:59.17 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: 03darkstar62 * r9713 10teaching_boxes/web/ (10 files in 3 dirs): Rework the title and description stuff, get rid of the prompts for that. Also, it seems that the weird firefox crash bug has disappeared. |
| 19:59.41 | slimspace | :) |
| 20:00.40 | slimspace | yeah, but I can't reproduce the bug anymore, so... |
| 20:01.42 | darth_mall | it's just waiting until our first user test |
| 20:03.00 | slimspace | probably |
| 20:03.09 | ChipX86 | argh |
| 20:03.13 | darth_mall | then it'll be all "HOOHAH!" |
| 20:03.19 | ChipX86 | my ipw2200 driver keeps dying |
| 20:03.24 | ChipX86 | sometimes causing kernel panics |
| 20:03.30 | darth_mall | and the user will go crazy with surprise and murder us |
| 20:04.25 | slimspace | hehe |
| 20:04.35 | slimspace | now I get the fun part...saving a lesson. |
| 20:04.45 | slimspace | or I could do stuff for adding resources or notes... |
| 20:04.50 | slimspace | neither one is particularly fun... |
| 20:05.42 | slimspace | darth_mall: how do you see the events going when the user clicks the "Add Resource" or "Add Note" buttons? |
| 20:06.24 | darth_mall | well, if add resource is for uploading attachments, it should just bring up the browser's file chooser and upload the file |
| 20:06.36 | slimspace | right |
| 20:06.42 | slimspace | and note? |
| 20:06.57 | darth_mall | I think notes we might just ignore and put in the report as a further recommendation |
| 20:07.13 | slimspace | mmm. |
| 20:07.44 | darth_mall | it's a design decision that I don't really want to tackle just now, especially since I"m in class |
| 20:07.45 | ChipX86 | scanlime: got a nitrogen-dev branch open? |
| 20:07.50 | scanlime | no |
| 20:07.55 | ChipX86 | ok |
| 20:08.10 | scanlime | over here in usb-land we're on main |
| 20:08.18 | ChipX86 | poor guys |
| 20:08.27 | scanlime | all the cool stuff is on main |
| 20:08.38 | ChipX86 | all the cool stuff is on nitrogen |
| 20:08.44 | scanlime | pff |
| 20:08.52 | darth_mall | all the cool stuff is in my pocket |
| 20:08.52 | nullpuppy | main is so.... cliche though |
| 20:08.57 | nullpuppy | or something |
| 20:09.38 | darth_mall | or pants |
| 20:10.00 | nullpuppy | pants are where its at |
| 20:10.44 | numist | I prefer dresses |
| 20:10.57 | nullpuppy | only on women |
| 20:11.06 | numist | >_> |
| 20:11.08 | numist | ;) |
| 20:11.16 | darth_mall | skirts are comfy |
| 20:11.33 | numist | :D |
| 20:12.25 | galen | not too comfy when the wind chill is -4 |
| 20:12.48 | ChipX86 | I keep reading your name as galeon |
| 20:13.02 | galen | may get icicals(sp?) where you seriously don't want them |
| 20:13.09 | numist | icicles are bad |
| 20:13.09 | nullpuppy | icles |
| 20:13.19 | nullpuppy | ! |
| 20:13.22 | purple_cow | eccles |
| 20:13.59 | galen | ChipX86: I've heard people pronounce it that way on many occations |
| 20:14.11 | darth_mall | what time is it, eccles? |
| 20:14.19 | galen | that and 'gallon' |
| 20:15.04 | scanlime | each pound of which weighs over 10,000 pounds! |
| 20:15.08 | darth_mall | hehe |
| 20:15.15 | nullpuppy | lol |
| 20:15.26 | darth_mall | purple_cow: so Futurama last night on CN was the 2001 episode where Bender starts dating the ship ^^ |
| 20:15.34 | nullpuppy | w00t |
| 20:17.43 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 20:17.51 | purple_cow | look honey, the tapirs! |
| 20:18.32 | darth_mall | it's really funny watching that right after seeing the movie |
| 20:18.47 | darth_mall | I didn't get the significance of the tapirs until last night |
| 20:20.13 | darth_mall | also, did you know that Sigourney Weaver did the ship's voice? |
| 20:21.32 | purple_cow | hehe, no |
| 20:21.52 | darth_mall | and that actually is Lucy Liu for those 1.5 lines at the zoo |
| 20:22.03 | purple_cow | uhhuh |
| 20:25.26 | ChipX86 | what is with my connection today. This is so slow |
| 20:27.22 | purple_cow | ``Strange coincidence, corporate metaphor, call it what you will: a 22-year-old Manchester, New Hampshire man named Ronald MacDonald was recently charged with robbing the Wendy's where he worked.'' |
| 20:28.56 | darth_mall | hahahaha |
| 20:29.49 | ChipX86 | I love the number of college commercials on at this time of day |
| 20:30.09 | numist | hah |
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| 20:39.03 | ChipX86 | scanlime: oohh, did you get Shirley's e-mail? |
| 20:42.28 | scanlime | yes :) |
| 20:42.42 | ChipX86 | oh it's not t-shirts though |
| 20:42.53 | ChipX86 | darn, I would have only needed one more for the week |
| 20:42.55 | slimspace | nuts...seems javascript doesn't support popping up an open file box... |
| 20:43.13 | ChipX86 | slimspace: which is probably a good thing really |
| 20:43.22 | slimspace | yeah, but annoying for me |
| 20:43.40 | slimspace | means I'll have to code a dialog to show. |
| 20:44.59 | darth_mall | you shouldn't have to create the dialog |
| 20:45.11 | scanlime | slimspace: HTML has a file input widget |
| 20:45.15 | darth_mall | gmail can use the browsers file selector, so there must be a way |
| 20:45.18 | slimspace | no, but I have to create something to stick a <input type='text'> tag in |
| 20:45.41 | slimspace | there's no way to use that to display a dialog through javascript. The user has to click it. |
| 20:46.19 | ChipX86 | can you create a hidden one and fake a click? |
| 20:46.28 | scanlime | slimspace: so let the user click it. That's infinitely better than building your own file chooser thing |
| 20:46.29 | slimspace | only IE supports that |
| 20:46.53 | slimspace | scanlime: I'm not. I just have to create a small dialog that presents the user with something to click |
| 20:46.58 | scanlime | ah |
| 20:53.20 | darth_mall | slimspace: so, the file chooser pops up when the user clicks Add Resource, right? |
| 20:53.35 | slimspace | it's supposed to, but I'm not going to be able to do it that way |
| 20:53.39 | darth_mall | why? |
| 20:53.59 | slimspace | no way to call the chooser without an <input> tag that the user physically clicks on |
| 20:54.44 | darth_mall | and there's absolutely no way to put an input tag in that button? |
| 20:55.04 | slimspace | well, there is, but it'll be accompanied by a text entry widget |
| 20:55.12 | slimspace | and there's no way to customize the look of the button |
| 20:56.46 | darth_mall | ok... so here's an idea: instead of having that button in the toolbar, what if we an "upload file" link in the resources section gmail-style? |
| 20:56.57 | ChipX86 | buttons can be customized |
| 20:57.02 | ChipX86 | damn ipw2200 |
| 20:57.04 | ChipX86 | I should upgrade it |
| 20:57.50 | darth_mall | hmm... I think that sentence was missing a verb |
| 20:58.07 | slimspace | darth_mall: that could be done. where would we put it? the right side, on the line with the field title? |
| 21:01.09 | scanlime | damn you windows |
| 21:01.16 | scanlime | I innocently bank on the shift key, and it screams at me |
| 21:01.22 | scanlime | bzzzzzzweeeeep! |
| 21:01.32 | darth_mall | that's it's way of showing affection |
| 21:02.33 | darth_mall | slimspace: what's your IP again |
| 21:03.04 | slimspace | darth_mall: 71.211.160.89 |
| 21:03.40 | galen | !DDoS 71.211.160.89 |
| 21:03.44 | galen | erm I mean, Hi! |
| 21:03.56 | galen | an innocent typo |
| 21:04.41 | slimspace | 8080 is too obvious a choice, and I didn't want it on 80 |
| 21:06.06 | ChipX86 | cool, now apache doesn't respond to any requests |
| 21:07.02 | darth_mall | slimspace: so right under the Resource section header and description how about a text entry for the file name followed by a "Browse" button and an "Upload" button, after files are uploaded the file names are displayed below the entry |
| 21:08.02 | slimspace | k |
| 21:09.16 | ChipX86 | awesome |
| 21:09.25 | ChipX86 | emerge wiped out my index.html |
| 21:09.25 | purple_cow | bad brita! |
| 21:09.36 | purple_cow | ChipX86: yay! |
| 21:10.22 | darth_mall | purple_cow: yeah |
| 21:10.34 | darth_mall | I have a feeling Bruce is going to be dissappointed come Saturday morning |
| 21:10.56 | purple_cow | no kidding |
| 21:11.02 | scanlime | what's due saturday morning? |
| 21:11.08 | purple_cow | i just sent an email pointing out that we haven't heard anything |
| 21:11.20 | purple_cow | scanlime: he wants our requirements doc done |
| 21:11.25 | scanlime | ah |
| 21:11.35 | purple_cow | it's been almost a month since we sent our first draft to the TA >< |
| 21:11.36 | darth_mall | scanlime: our TA likes to not do anything |
| 21:11.42 | scanlime | yow |
| 21:11.59 | scanlime | our TA was really speedy and helpful... we just had trouble with our sponsors disappearing |
| 21:12.12 | darth_mall | seems like the other TA is pretty on the ball |
| 21:12.36 | scanlime | have you told Bruce this? the TAs are supposed to get stuff back to you within 24 hours I thought |
| 21:12.41 | scanlime | our TA generally did it within an hour or two |
| 21:13.19 | purple_cow | scanlime: he's aware of her "work ethic" |
| 21:14.02 | ChipX86 | yay |
| 21:14.03 | purple_cow | darth_mall: let's talk with him today |
| 21:14.04 | ChipX86 | I have a server |
| 21:14.08 | darth_mall | purple_cow: good idea |
| 21:14.33 | darth_mall | ``Bruce, we'd like to exchange our TA for a new one. She's been deffective since we got her.'' |
| 21:14.45 | darth_mall | ``We're fine with store credit.'' |
| 21:14.46 | scanlime | ChipX86: yay |
| 21:15.07 | ChipX86 | I hate computers :) |
| 21:15.11 | darth_mall | me three |
| 21:15.21 | scanlime | yeah |
| 21:15.26 | scanlime | I don't know if I have a working laptop at the moment |
| 21:15.30 | ChipX86 | why? |
| 21:15.36 | scanlime | the ubuntu upgrade was doing some very bad things |
| 21:15.41 | ChipX86 | what'd it do? |
| 21:15.47 | scanlime | I started up firefox, and it seemed to work normally except that all text was invisible |
| 21:15.52 | ChipX86 | uh oh |
| 21:15.58 | scanlime | it was choking on my pcmcia setup too |
| 21:16.22 | slimspace | darth_mall: check now. Something like that? |
| 21:16.30 | darth_mall | scanlime: you're supposed to hold it under a black light to read it, it's a spy trick for hiding messages ^^ |
| 21:16.41 | scanlime | oh |
| 21:16.44 | scanlime | I'll try that when I get home |
| 21:16.47 | darth_mall | slimspace: hot |
| 21:17.00 | slimspace | hmm.... |
| 21:18.21 | slimspace | nuts, seems I can't change the border style |
| 21:20.00 | CIA-9 | navi-misc: 03evan * r9714 10teaching_boxes/web/css/style.css: Bad Evan! No absolute paths! |
| 21:20.07 | darth_mall | slimspace: don't sweat the small stuff ;) |
| 21:20.20 | slimspace | darth_mall: :) |
| 21:20.22 | slimspace | I'm just a perfectionist |
| 21:21.17 | ChipX86 | I need a project like that |
| 21:21.52 | scanlime | no hug for you! |
| 21:21.57 | numist | :( |
| 21:22.02 | ChipX86 | I'm considering writing a thing like del.icio.us for my own use that would feature more intelligent tags and bookmarks. Search for a tag and get my bookmarks, a few google results, and a snippet from a wikipedia entry, or something |
| 21:22.26 | ChipX86 | also aggregate tags from amazon and other sites that support tagging |
| 21:22.29 | numist | ChipX86: good idea :) |
| 21:22.34 | numist | yay file! |
| 21:22.52 | scanlime | I'm wondering if it's possible to have new commits show up immediately on the web interface |
| 21:22.59 | file | numist: now you me a drink |
| 21:23.00 | ChipX86 | ooh |
| 21:23.01 | file | er owe |
| 21:23.09 | file | gah, owe me a drink |
| 21:23.17 | numist | file: I already do :P |
| 21:23.17 | scanlime | I did a proof-of-concept javascript terminal emulator a while back that used a technique I could apply to this |
| 21:23.27 | numist | scanlime: did it work? |
| 21:23.31 | scanlime | yes |
| 21:23.42 | numist | oh sweet, in a usable way? |
| 21:23.59 | scanlime | well, the terminal emulator just barely worked.. I didn't put much time into it |
| 21:24.00 | slimspace | darth_mall: in gmail, does the page have to refresh after a file is uploaded? |
| 21:24.06 | numist | damn |
| 21:24.10 | ChipX86 | ooh yay |
| 21:24.15 | scanlime | but the asynchronous notifications it used worked nicely |
| 21:24.16 | darth_mall | slimspace: on second thought, we probably don't want to do it like gmail |
| 21:24.26 | scanlime | the problem is that it'd never work through apache |
| 21:24.31 | numist | I just want a terminal that I can use for ssh that doesnt require anything of the client |
| 21:24.34 | ChipX86 | google saw the redirect on my blog entry and went and updated the indexes |
| 21:24.36 | slimspace | darth_mall: ? |
| 21:24.47 | numist | like it starts by opening an ssh conection to $servername |
| 21:24.49 | darth_mall | slimspace: I think the way gmail works is that it only uploads the file when a draft is saved or when the e-mail is sent |
| 21:25.03 | slimspace | that would make sense |
| 21:25.11 | darth_mall | until then it just leaves the string representing the filename in the text entry |
| 21:25.18 | slimspace | I'm not seeing an easy way to do that without using the form-submit thing. |
| 21:25.20 | darth_mall | so when you have multiple attachments, you have multiple text entires |
| 21:25.22 | scanlime | numist: you could certainly build a usable javascript ssh client |
| 21:25.31 | numist | hrm |
| 21:25.33 | slimspace | We could do that, just have it upload the files on save. |
| 21:25.44 | darth_mall | slimspace: I think in our case it's better to have the one entry that uploads the file when the user clicks upload |
| 21:25.47 | slimspace | it'd be trivial to store the paths we want. |
| 21:26.10 | slimspace | hrm... |
| 21:26.14 | numist | hrm |
| 21:26.21 | slimspace | that means we'll have to refresh the page. |
| 21:26.29 | scanlime | numist: the client buffers keystrokes and sends them to the server in HTTP POST requests, then the server sends back screen update commands in the response. The trick is that the server blocks when there's no data to read- it just holds the socket open without writing anything |
| 21:26.31 | slimspace | which is bad. |
| 21:27.01 | scanlime | numist: if the connection times out (network error, proxy timeout...) then no big deal, it just starts another HTTP request |
| 21:27.11 | numist | hrm |
| 21:27.14 | scanlime | but if something wants to draw on the screen, the HTTP request completes immediately with any pending screen updates |
| 21:27.23 | numist | thats real handy |
| 21:27.26 | darth_mall | slimspace: we've got class in a bit, let's talk about then in person |
| 21:27.32 | darth_mall | it'll be easier that way |
| 21:27.33 | slimspace | ok |
| 21:27.37 | ChipX86 | GtkPaned, you are crappy |
| 21:27.43 | darth_mall | cuz you're right, refreshing is less than happy |
| 21:27.46 | scanlime | numist: AFAICT the only reason this isn't more popular is that most servers can't handle the load of a huge number of idle connections |
| 21:27.53 | scanlime | numist: but Twisted excels at that |
| 21:27.57 | ChipX86 | no signal is ever emitted when the position of the handle changes apparently |
| 21:28.16 | ChipX86 | ooh but gtkmm saves the day |
| 21:28.23 | scanlime | maybe the next part of CIA that I need to focus on redesigning is the message hub |
| 21:28.49 | scanlime | make it a separate Twisted daemon that can provide messages both to CIA's internal components and to web clients |
| 21:28.50 | numist | damn, I dont even know how to approach writing that, on the server side or client side |
| 21:28.53 | scanlime | and it would implement ruleset filtering |
| 21:28.53 | numist | ack lag |
| 21:29.44 | scanlime | efficient message filtering is an area of CIA that's going to require much research :) |
| 21:30.10 | scanlime | I need to figure out a good automated way to transform a large number of message filters into some kind of data structure that tells me which client(s) are interested in a particular message |
| 21:30.18 | CIA-9 | smrt: 03evan * r623 10docs/design/design.tex: Introduction to the design and subsections |
| 21:30.48 | numist | brb |
| 21:31.02 | scanlime | numist: http://svn.navi.cx/misc/trunk/python/ajax/ |
| 21:31.12 | scanlime | mod_python proof-of-concept terminal thingy |
| 21:31.21 | scanlime | very very dirty |
| 21:31.34 | darth_mall | you are nuts |
| 21:32.15 | scanlime | see, I need to direct this nuts-ness to useful projects like CIA rather than at random crap ;) |
| 21:32.35 | ChipX86 | DAMNIT |
| 21:32.38 | ChipX86 | apache is still blowing up |
| 21:32.42 | slimspace | hmm... |
| 21:32.48 | slimspace | found an ajax file upload progress meter |
| 21:32.52 | ChipX86 | and there goes the linode |
| 21:33.07 | slimspace | and with it, a possible way to do this cleanly |
| 21:33.09 | scanlime | my USB is still blowing up |
| 21:33.20 | darth_mall | scanlime: I think directing your craziness towards ``useful'' things negates some of the craziness |
| 21:33.56 | darth_mall | better to just continue being a nutjob ^^ |
| 21:34.40 | ChipX86 | I can't remember the last time I've been this upset at computers |
| 21:36.27 | ChipX86 | I can't find anything in the logs that would indicate a problem |
| 21:37.05 | numist | :( |
| 21:42.17 | ChipX86 | I don't even know what to do |
| 21:42.34 | numist | on your linode? |
| 21:42.44 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 21:42.54 | ChipX86 | apache 7879 0.0 77.6 212892 120744 ? S 13:39 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -D DEFAULT_VHOST -D DAV -D DAV_FS -D SSL -D SVN -D PHP4 -D USERDIR -d /usr/lib/apache2 -f /etc/apache2/httpd.conf -k start |
| 21:42.58 | ChipX86 | that keeps happening |
| 21:42.59 | numist | I think all the explanation that you need is that its a linode :/ |
| 21:43.05 | ChipX86 | no |
| 21:43.06 | ChipX86 | it's apache |
| 21:43.09 | ChipX86 | apache is blowing up |
| 21:43.10 | numist | hrm |
| 21:43.13 | ChipX86 | it consumes all memory |
| 21:43.16 | scanlime | ChipX86: can you attach strace or gdb to it? |
| 21:43.27 | ChipX86 | scanlime: it consumes all memory way too rapidly to do anything |
| 21:43.33 | ChipX86 | if I don't kill it immediately, I get disconnected |
| 21:43.35 | scanlime | so send it a SIGINTR |
| 21:43.52 | scanlime | er, SIGSTOP.. whatever :) |
| 21:44.23 | numist | SIGHOLDONASEC |
| 21:44.25 | galen | ChipX86: someone yesterday was having problems with an apache upgrade too. The child processes would go D state and the logs showed nothing |
| 21:44.34 | scanlime | I wonder if there's an easy way to see what request a particular apache thread is serving |
| 21:44.43 | ChipX86 | that's what I want to know |
| 21:45.27 | scanlime | you might send it a SIGSTOP just so you can examine it, then take a look at its /proc/<foo>/fds to see what it might be reading |
| 21:45.33 | ChipX86 | I don't even know what server it is |
| 21:45.45 | ChipX86 | vhost rather |
| 21:45.52 | scanlime | right |
| 21:46.07 | ChipX86 | there it goes again |
| 21:46.16 | scanlime | stop it |
| 21:46.19 | ChipX86 | just did |
| 21:46.40 | ChipX86 | DAMNIT, no gdb |
| 21:46.49 | darth_mall | aww... lurgy|work was ignoring me |
| 21:46.51 | scanlime | not sure that would help at all, without symbols |
| 21:46.56 | scanlime | I'd check /proc/*/fd first |
| 21:47.04 | ChipX86 | checking |
| 21:47.08 | ChipX86 | lotsa stuffs |
| 21:48.36 | ChipX86 | bunch of error logs, a script, some mysql connections |
| 21:48.45 | ChipX86 | wonder if that script is somehow doing it |
| 21:49.17 | scanlime | that's your best bet. I've never seen apache blow up like this when a scripting or svn module wasn't responsible |
| 21:49.33 | scanlime | could be as simple as an infinite loop in a script, with a malloc inside |
| 21:49.40 | ChipX86 | nod |
| 21:52.06 | ChipX86 | three processes did that |
| 21:52.08 | ChipX86 | all used that script |
| 21:52.37 | scanlime | which script, just out of curiosity? I'm going to take a closer look next time apache on zero starts spinning |
| 21:53.06 | ChipX86 | SecureImage for WordPress |
| 21:53.11 | numist | oh dear |
| 21:53.14 | lurgy|work | darth_mall: hmm? |
| 21:53.23 | darth_mall | you walked by me in the lobby and didn't even wink |
| 21:53.26 | scanlime | ChipX86: is that a CAPTCHA thingy? |
| 21:53.28 | darth_mall | ='( |
| 21:53.29 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 21:53.33 | lurgy|work | i did? |
| 21:53.36 | ChipX86 | deleting it |
| 21:53.39 | lurgy|work | ya |
| 21:53.52 | ChipX86 | I hope that's the end of this mess |
| 21:54.45 | darth_mall | lurgy|work: yeah... it made me sad |
| 21:54.46 | darth_mall | but I forgive you |
| 21:56.02 | lurgy|work | d'oh |
| 21:56.20 | ChipX86 | I can't help but wonder why this was never a problem before |
| 21:56.28 | ChipX86 | anyone recommend a good captcha for wp? |
| 21:57.13 | nullpuppy | i think i set up bad behaviour for the one wp setup i did |
| 21:57.30 | ChipX86 | bad behavior is the name? |
| 21:57.34 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 21:57.42 | ChipX86 | ok |
| 21:57.48 | nullpuppy | iirc at least... |
| 21:57.51 | ChipX86 | and it didn't destroy your entire server every few mins? ;) |
| 21:58.04 | ChipX86 | so far so good. No blowups |
| 21:58.11 | nullpuppy | hehe, nope, but then, i only had limited access to said server |
| 21:58.27 | ChipX86 | every single one of those massive processes were loading that script and no others |
| 21:58.33 | scanlime | wow |
| 21:58.34 | ChipX86 | log files, a couple pipe connections, and secureimage.php |
| 21:58.36 | scanlime | my .tomboy is almost a meg |
| 21:58.42 | ChipX86 | which is a good indication |
| 21:59.23 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 21:59.24 | nullpuppy | damn |
| 21:59.45 | ChipX86 | running `watch free` for the next few days :) |
| 22:03.21 | slimspace | yay, uploading works |
| 22:03.28 | slimspace | now just gotta figure out how to tell when it's done... |
| 22:04.16 | ChipX86 | scanlime: you should let users tag projects/authors they like on cia and get an rss feed out of it :) |
| 22:05.02 | scanlime | hmm, that'd be cool :) |
| 22:05.08 | CIA-9 | smrt: 03evan * r624 10docs/design/ (Makefile design.tex): Get some stuff down about the state controller and some UML diagrams. |
| 22:05.56 | ChipX86 | I'm so pleased that apache is still in one piece |
| 22:06.08 | scanlime | so... hmm. That just raises more questions on message filtering and storage |
| 22:06.38 | ChipX86 | glad i could help |
| 22:06.43 | scanlime | heh, thanks |
| 22:06.45 | ChipX86 | yay, ssh4 went down! |
| 22:06.49 | ChipX86 | today rocks |
| 22:07.12 | hardwire | today can suck my left and or right nut. |
| 22:07.27 | scanlime | ideally, there would be one central 'thing' that would receive messages, and allow external processes to receive a 'view' of those messages that would be filtered according to some criteria, and updated in real-time |
| 22:07.36 | darth_mall | well, I'd better get some coffee and head down to class |
| 22:10.08 | scanlime | hmm |
| 22:10.32 | scanlime | and I might already have a name for it |
| 22:11.50 | ChipX86 | yay, Bank of America changed their auth scheme *again* |
| 22:19.56 | nullpuppy | still no call yet? |
| 22:19.56 | scanlime | purple_cow: did they say you'd be getting a call today? |
| 22:19.57 | CIA-9 | smrt: 03evan * r625 10docs/design/design.tex: Use \texttt instead of \verb for class names. |
| 22:20.11 | purple_cow | scanlime: not in so many words |
| 22:20.18 | scanlime | :) |
| 22:20.24 | purple_cow | but yesterday afternoon jocelyn said it was waiting on 2 signatures, so... |
| 22:20.29 | scanlime | waiting sucks, eh |
| 22:20.45 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 22:21.00 | darth_mall | moo? |
| 22:21.05 | purple_cow | moo |
| 22:21.07 | nullpuppy | waiting is for chumps |
| 22:21.43 | CIA-9 | smrt: 03jupiter * r626 10docs/design/design.tex: remove a period |
| 22:34.16 | *** join/#tacobeam SecretMethod70 (n=SecretMe@24-148-59-170.prs-bsr1.chi-prs.il.cable.rcn.com) |
| 22:40.55 | nullpuppy | w00t! finally got the vm to actually resize to 1280x800 |
| 22:41.09 | numist | yay |
| 22:41.20 | ChipX86 | it wasn't beforE? |
| 22:41.35 | nullpuppy | nope, i was getting wierd res's |
| 22:41.48 | ChipX86 | modern ws 5.5 and latest tools? |
| 22:42.03 | nullpuppy | started poking at other preferences... and found the resize to host option |
| 22:42.11 | nullpuppy | older rc i think |
| 22:42.11 | ChipX86 | ah yeah |
| 22:42.14 | ChipX86 | ok |
| 22:42.21 | ChipX86 | I *think* nowadays you can freely resize a linux guest |
| 22:42.41 | nullpuppy | this is linux host, windows guest ;) |
| 22:42.48 | nullpuppy | and build 16958 |
| 22:42.50 | ChipX86 | then you definitely can |
| 22:44.00 | nullpuppy | yeah.. in pref's... display.. had fullscreen to resize host (which i'm guessing is default), i wanted resize guest ;) |
| 22:44.10 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 22:44.25 | ChipX86 | scary code |
| 22:44.26 | nullpuppy | now to see if i can find a way to fix my text select cursor oddness |
| 22:44.31 | nullpuppy | hehe, cool |
| 22:49.27 | ChipX86 | yay good work is happening |
| 22:50.45 | scanlime | ChipX86: if it's anything like what I'm doing, nobody's reviewing it :P |
| 22:50.54 | ChipX86 | aww :( people are reviewing mine |
| 22:51.37 | scanlime | 'sok, I'm having lots of "fun" trying to figure out why windows XP is doing this... |
| 22:51.45 | ChipX86 | doing what? |
| 22:52.14 | scanlime | it's removing a QTD from a QH while the URB is still outstanding, for no apparent reason |
| 22:52.25 | ChipX86 | I.. see.. |
| 22:52.38 | scanlime | see, there's a reason I wasn't going to say anything unless you asked :P |
| 22:53.10 | ChipX86 | vnc and ssh over a screwed up wireless connection is not fun |
| 22:53.16 | ChipX86 | heh :) |
| 22:54.03 | scanlime | USB involves a lot of acronyms |
| 22:54.11 | scanlime | not nearly as many as bluetooth.. but still enough to be confusing |
| 22:56.23 | ChipX86 | well, the server seems okay |
| 22:56.28 | ChipX86 | it probbaly would have died by now |
| 22:58.32 | nullpuppy | yay! found a cursor that will work |
| 22:58.41 | numist | yay, ChipX86 has defeated the infidel |
| 22:59.10 | ChipX86 | now to fix my wireless drivers |
| 23:00.26 | file | yay I just played the part of a Vice President on the phone |
| 23:10.45 | ChipX86 | yay |
| 23:10.47 | ChipX86 | new drivers |
| 23:10.57 | ChipX86 | with *lots* of debug info. hmm |
| 23:11.11 | hardwire | I hate hate hate this daaaay |
| 23:11.19 | ChipX86 | me too |
| 23:11.24 | hardwire | I thought you loved it. |
| 23:11.34 | ChipX86 | I know it sounded that way, but in secret I hat eit |
| 23:11.47 | hardwire | yah |
| 23:11.48 | hardwire | ok |
| 23:11.53 | hardwire | its comic time |
| 23:12.42 | hardwire | I am on comic 260 in QC |
| 23:12.57 | hardwire | I just looked at todays.. and they are still attacking the "do you like me" issues. |
| 23:13.02 | hardwire | I was hoping they would get it on by now |
| 23:14.24 | ChipX86 | wonder when my package is coming |
| 23:14.49 | hardwire | zombie monkey wants your coffee |
| 23:15.03 | ChipX86 | I don't drink coffee |
| 23:15.07 | ChipX86 | they'll be disappointed |
| 23:16.00 | dooky | ChipX86: what do you drink to make yourself all tweaked out |
| 23:16.10 | ChipX86 | I don't |
| 23:16.12 | dooky | :O |
| 23:16.19 | dooky | a born stay-awaker |
| 23:16.19 | ChipX86 | occasional red bull, but pretty rare |
| 23:16.20 | dooky | marvelous |
| 23:16.27 | ChipX86 | I can last a night on water |
| 23:16.54 | dooky | ice water helps me |
| 23:17.00 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 23:17.17 | dooky | but if it gets past 4 AM |
| 23:17.22 | dooky | and I've been up since 7 or 8 |
| 23:17.28 | dooky | I start dying, no water can save me |
| 23:18.14 | dooky | haha, you have to see this |
| 23:18.24 | dooky | scott has his cell phone clipped to his head with his headphones, which are still playing music |
| 23:18.35 | ChipX86 | hah |
| 23:19.05 | numist | I'm leet like that |
| 23:19.16 | hardwire | *sniff* |
| 23:19.18 | numist | my other headphones hold it so I dont have to tilt my head |
| 23:19.20 | dooky | numist: AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW |
| 23:19.24 | numist | bah |
| 23:19.24 | hardwire | I have no stay awakey power. |
| 23:19.46 | dooky | numist: she's boring you, eh? |
| 23:19.50 | numist | bah |
| 23:20.01 | ChipX86 | who? |
| 23:20.05 | numist | carrie |
| 23:20.19 | dooky | for (i = 0; i < 4; ++i) fprintf (phone, "both will work.\n"); |
| 23:20.31 | numist | yeah, sometimes she cant hear |
| 23:20.51 | scanlime | fclose(phone); |
| 23:20.52 | numist | nice FILE device |
| 23:20.58 | numist | not yet!! |
| 23:20.59 | dooky | scanlime: anoo |
| 23:21.04 | numist | fopen(phone) |
| 23:21.09 | numist | ; |
| 23:21.11 | scanlime | SIGSEGV |
| 23:21.12 | dooky | numist: wow. |
| 23:21.18 | numist | damn |
| 23:21.20 | numist | wow? |
| 23:21.24 | hardwire | http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=267 |
| 23:21.25 | hardwire | hehe |
| 23:21.26 | ChipX86 | I *LOVE* deleting huge blocks of code |
| 23:21.28 | dooky | gcc: error on line 5 - phone is not of type const char * |
| 23:21.29 | ChipX86 | it's so satisfying |
| 23:21.31 | scanlime | maybe you mean phone = fopen("/dev/phone", "r") |
| 23:21.38 | scanlime | obviously it's a read-only device |
| 23:21.42 | ChipX86 | it's like, "Oh we don't need these 200 lines anymore! *DELETE*" |
| 23:21.43 | numist | it is? |
| 23:21.44 | numist | nooo |
| 23:21.46 | dooky | scanlime: actually, how do you open a fifo |
| 23:21.58 | dooky | ChipX86: it's best when you can just delete a whole class |
| 23:22.01 | scanlime | same way you open anything else :P |
| 23:22.07 | ChipX86 | dooky: yep |
| 23:22.13 | numist | fclose(phone); |
| 23:22.32 | dooky | scanlime: I mean, for the second arg to fopen |
| 23:22.36 | dooky | "rw" or smth? |
| 23:22.49 | scanlime | heh.. you don't want to do that on a pipe |
| 23:23.02 | scanlime | you'd want two pipes, one in each direction |
| 23:23.57 | hardwire | ChipX86: about our earlier "such a child" conversations.. this relates well. |
| 23:23.59 | hardwire | http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=270 |
| 23:29.40 | ChipX86 | http://www.vmware.com/products/ws/screens.html <-- I'm amused at hte quality differences |
| 23:30.28 | hardwire | visual quality? |
| 23:30.35 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 23:30.44 | hardwire | Composite helps quite a bit |
| 23:30.56 | hardwire | unfortunatly it disliked the nvidia driver atm |
| 23:31.01 | hardwire | dislikes |
| 23:31.21 | ChipX86 | that and png, but the main thing is that the guys who did the windows ones didn't even bother to clean up their taskbar or desktop or try to prevent scrollbars |
| 23:31.32 | hardwire | indeed |
| 23:31.35 | hardwire | what of mr suse |
| 23:31.42 | hardwire | what has he to say for himself |
| 23:31.51 | dooky | ChipX86: oooh, wow. those dropshadows...are those default with gnome now? |
| 23:31.57 | scanlime | http://www.vmware.com/img/ws5_large1.png <-- sooo ugly |
| 23:32.00 | ChipX86 | dooky: it's an xorg thing |
| 23:32.04 | ChipX86 | scanlime: yeah |
| 23:32.17 | ChipX86 | dooky: it can be enabled, but it's buggy |
| 23:32.20 | ChipX86 | looks nice though |
| 23:32.24 | dooky | ChipX86: I know, but there needs to be a part of the WM that calls it, unless you're using xcompmgr |
| 23:32.24 | numist | really buggy |
| 23:32.28 | hardwire | its very buggy |
| 23:32.29 | dooky | xcommpgr sucks ballssssss |
| 23:32.32 | ChipX86 | man, they left out a ton of the screenshots they were supposed to put in |
| 23:32.41 | ChipX86 | dooky: I am using that :) |
| 23:32.44 | ChipX86 | well, I was for the screenshots |
| 23:32.52 | hardwire | of course |
| 23:32.55 | dooky | it does make things look secksy |
| 23:32.57 | ChipX86 | not for normal use |
| 23:32.57 | hardwire | btw.. used xephyr? |
| 23:33.00 | ChipX86 | hardwire: nope |
| 23:33.11 | hardwire | nice way to test certain x extensions w/o modifying your own x server |
| 23:33.13 | dooky | I used to talk to the old xorg maintainer |
| 23:33.26 | dooky | made him hack in something to automatically transset windows |
| 23:33.28 | dooky | it was hawt |
| 23:33.38 | scanlime | heh |
| 23:33.44 | scanlime | it's not hard to just start hacking up xcompmgr |
| 23:33.47 | dooky | s/xorg/xcompmgr/ |
| 23:33.54 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 23:33.59 | purple_cow | xcompmgr is fun to hack |
| 23:34.00 | scanlime | I had transparent windows that blurred the area underneath them :) |
| 23:34.05 | ChipX86 | nice |
| 23:34.07 | hardwire | see I want that |
| 23:34.08 | purple_cow | that hack was cool and slow |
| 23:34.13 | scanlime | very very slow |
| 23:34.17 | hardwire | exacry |
| 23:34.17 | numist | see I want composite that is stable |
| 23:34.24 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 23:34.24 | scanlime | but acutally.. I know more about fast blurring now |
| 23:34.25 | dooky | purple_cow: get a fast video card |
| 23:34.35 | purple_cow | dooky: that wasn't the issue ;) |
| 23:34.36 | ChipX86 | bah |
| 23:34.38 | dooky | lol |
| 23:34.44 | dooky | I wish composite was more stable |
| 23:34.49 | ChipX86 | they used the wrong 64-bit guest screenshot. They made me spend hours on one and they didn't even use it |
| 23:34.51 | dooky | and nvidia made shit work better with it |
| 23:34.51 | numist | then I'd use it |
| 23:34.55 | ChipX86 | and they didn't do the teams as they said they would |
| 23:34.56 | purple_cow | scanlime: didn't that blurring work by building an entire mipmap tree and compositing it? |
| 23:34.56 | hardwire | scanlime: does GL support some sort of blurring defacto? |
| 23:34.57 | ChipX86 | fools |
| 23:34.57 | numist | and I wouldnt be in such a hurry to get a mac |
| 23:35.22 | ChipX86 | at least they put in one of the ones with my nick |
| 23:35.27 | scanlime | purple_cow: I don't think it even mipmapped, it just blitted the full-resolution image a bunch of times at low opacity |
| 23:35.30 | scanlime | hardwire: no |
| 23:35.33 | purple_cow | oww |
| 23:36.01 | scanlime | purple_cow: if I were doing it again, I'd use SHM to do the blur in software, and I'd implement a fast box filter |
| 23:36.11 | purple_cow | pixel shader! |
| 23:36.22 | numist | if you can support it in hardware |
| 23:36.29 | numist | pixel shading is godawful slow in software |
| 23:36.33 | numist | if you can get it to work |
| 23:36.42 | scanlime | heh |
| 23:36.46 | hardwire | scanlime: heh.. hmm.. I suppose if you could use a GL accell.. you could always take the backing pixmap.. scale it down and map it to a GL surface at the original res |
| 23:36.50 | hardwire | that would be a very funky blur |
| 23:37.02 | scanlime | hardwire: good luck with the memory bandwidth issues there |
| 23:37.09 | scanlime | and no, that wouldn't be a blur |
| 23:37.14 | scanlime | it'd be a blocky mess |
| 23:37.23 | hardwire | blocky mess would be about right |
| 23:39.46 | hardwire | a pixelate would be neat too |
| 23:39.54 | hardwire | or possibly a posterize .. weird.. |
| 23:39.58 | purple_cow | pixelate is trivial :) |
| 23:40.03 | ChipX86 | I think everything underneath should be backwards and upside-down |
| 23:40.10 | hardwire | indeed |
| 23:40.10 | purple_cow | just use force a mipmap |
| 23:40.13 | numist | ChipX86: YE |
| 23:40.16 | numist | er.. yes |
| 23:40.29 | hardwire | just reducing the contrast would be neat as well |
| 23:40.31 | scanlime | all of you are assuming you can easily use OpenGL to process X drawables |
| 23:40.39 | ChipX86 | or it could be water-like rippling effect |
| 23:40.41 | hardwire | not me :) |
| 23:40.43 | ChipX86 | woah |
| 23:40.54 | ChipX86 | the desire to play WoW just hit me. I haven't had that for a month |
| 23:40.59 | numist | every time you click on a window, I want it to send out ripples across everything behind it across the screen |
| 23:41.03 | hardwire | then it should be WoW |
| 23:41.04 | purple_cow | scanlime: well, that's what the whole xgl thing is about |
| 23:41.04 | hardwire | not woah |
| 23:41.08 | numist | not even click, every time it gets focus |
| 23:41.35 | scanlime | purple_cow: yeah, but that's a lot more invasive than just an xcompmgr hack |
| 23:41.42 | *** join/#tacobeam kergoth (n=kergoth@c-24-118-219-25.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 23:41.47 | hardwire | numist: better yet.. it would ripple around differences in the upper layer |
| 23:41.48 | ChipX86 | hey kergoth |
| 23:41.56 | hardwire | so when you are typing it would create the ripple around each letter. |
| 23:42.04 | ChipX86 | kergoth: the WoW itch just hit me like a ton of bricks. I think I'll play a bit tonight |
| 23:42.05 | numist | ooh yes |
| 23:42.06 | purple_cow | scanlime: it could also be done as a luminocity hack |
| 23:42.11 | file | hi kergoth |
| 23:42.15 | ChipX86 | must be the sudden hatred of working on computers |
| 23:42.23 | hardwire | numist: like if you visited a porn site with an animated stripper ad.. it would be all trippy |
| 23:42.31 | numist | oh dear |
| 23:42.35 | numist | no thank you |
| 23:43.42 | ChipX86 | it's a good thing gaim is forking more of gtk |
| 23:43.54 | ChipX86 | Sean doesn't want to have to subclass things |
| 23:43.55 | numist | my sarcasm detector is tripping |
| 23:44.03 | hardwire | oops |
| 23:44.20 | ChipX86 | he said he sees no reason why he should subclass when he can just put the code directly in a copy of a widget |
| 23:45.04 | numist | ... |
| 23:45.09 | numist | yeah, thats brilliant |
| 23:45.25 | ChipX86 | ignore the fact that gaim is gpl and gtk is lgpl |
| 23:45.34 | numist | ooh, wasnt aware of that |
| 23:45.55 | numist | so, sean has changed the licensing of gtk then, to gpl |
| 23:46.16 | ChipX86 | why not? he's already violating the gpl by linking against a gpl-incompatible library |
| 23:46.18 | scanlime | there's nothing wrong with that, aside from the unnecessary code duplication |
| 23:46.21 | ChipX86 | because he doesn't want to learn gstreamer |
| 23:46.46 | ChipX86 | ooh the 20.1" widescreen LCD from Dell was at $334 shipped earlier today |
| 23:46.54 | scanlime | wow |
| 23:47.04 | ChipX86 | coupon expired though |
| 23:47.09 | numist | d'oh |
| 23:47.18 | rioter | haha nothing beats the 8$ shipped 250 gig sata's that dell was forced to honour |
| 23:47.19 | ChipX86 | shame I can no longer justify buying one |
| 23:48.20 | purple_cow | you could buy me a couple! |
| 23:48.35 | numist | rioter: ???? |
| 23:48.46 | ChipX86 | purple_cow: I'm sure before long you'll be able to afford a couple |
| 23:49.19 | rioter | numist dell fucked up and listed the shipping price as the retail price and were forced to honour the price |
| 23:49.35 | ChipX86 | rioter: awesome |
| 23:49.41 | numist | rioter: where, I need some drives |
| 23:49.45 | numist | probably expired :/ |
| 23:49.52 | rioter | numist did along time ago |
| 23:50.10 | rioter | and it fucked dell around they still havent sent out all the drives, like mine lack of stock hah |
| 23:50.49 | numist | haha |
| 23:50.50 | numist | sweet |
| 23:50.55 | numist | why didnt you tell me about this :( |
| 23:54.22 | ChipX86 | ohh man |
| 23:54.34 | ChipX86 | down to only a few C functions left in app.cc. |
| 23:59.12 | ChipX86 | ARGH |
| 23:59.20 | ChipX86 | UPS decided not to come today |
| 23:59.23 | ChipX86 | they're coming tomorrow |
